 is of high quality the mystery we will be the detectives in this mansion of it's it's a detective the answer has alluded us i will be colonel mustard in the library with the candlestick wrench with the dildo oh yeah i ended up watching clue because of this movie clue is awesome good i never expected it to be as good as it was because a lot of people like got really good things to say about it i was like this fucking face to the board game and the film opens and the guy walks through the door and he's like ah colonel mustard and i was like fucking really is it true that what they were saying like they film different endings of it and whichever one you got depending on what region you lived in or something apparently yeah and the um the final cut has three endings that um they connect them by saying that could have happened but let's see what really happened and then the last one is that could have happened too but let's see what really happened nice um and yeah they have different this is the thing it's a like a joke but they actually had to put a lot of effort into uh making it reasonable that three different people could have been behind at all um it takes a while to go through and every the communism is mentioned every once in a while throughout the story in different ways and in all three endings the character says communism was a red herring like that wasn't the actual bad person also tim curry fucking steals it in that film but he often does in whatever he's in yeah it's just most tim curry movies i need to see legend again i almost want to see the original it again just to see him as pennywise but that's like the only part of the movie that people even end to talk about being amazing so yeah i wouldn't do that to myself if i were you it doesn't hold up to like you know retrospective viewing what i've heard um so yes hello i can see people are coming in they're in chat hello ronnie i know it's been a weird norm normally it would have been like a week uh since you would have seen us unfortunately it's been a week and a half but it doesn't even feel that way because you possibly would have been among the people who've been watching 30 hours of me playing a video game in the last few days or they watched a wrinkle in time 30 times oh yes that would have been which probably would have been better um yeah there's no way reason not to mention it last of us too uh i don't know just get it as an opening topic to get past move on like he's like that's a game i played it wasn't that a bad game um i was i'd heard so many bad things and yet i'd managed to stay mostly clean on on spoilers outside of i knew a couple of like bigger events but only pieces of bigger events and man so many shocks so many surprises so many wonderful moments um and yeah i figured that um i might as well mention it here because i did on the final stream that even before i'd done the third stream i already had a lot of ideas about how i wanted to make a pretty entertaining like sort of set of ways to deliver criticism for this that's like relatively fast for me but also um it's almost like a test but also because i kind of want to kind of want to vent about the game it's kind of annoyed me a little bit in my soul you know how it be it's fine yeah i know about that soul annoyance it's uh and you know not not meaming it's definitely up there with the greats the the tlj is the game of thrones season eight the oh my goodness those are the greats but the bad greats oh my goodness the two best of the worst it's yeah i mean a duel of the greats it's it's so it's so surprising we talked about this a bit on the um the after-party stream but it was just like what happened to the terminator threes what happened to the films that were sequels and kind of cash grabs but we went eh that was a film i guess that wasn't very good that wasn't like insultingly bad they didn't like try to clinically in a laboratory can cock some kind of a movie specifically designed to destroy the things we love so that's kind of nice it was just kind of bad yeah like a just like hey what if um what if the terminator comes back and helps people again you're like okay all right what if the terminator comes back and fucking kills joggata you're like wait what why oh i wonder what the story is behind that then the movie starts saying oh okay i think the problem is when you get onto like your fourth or fifth cash grab movie in a series then you start to just go off the cliff yeah that's that's what it used to be i think we all agreed that that was just the way it works it's like the more it goes on the worse it gets until it peeps out comic money and it's dead and that's fine that's just the way it goes these days though you have to like hug them close like please please don't take this one too and they're like no it's time give it give it back it's time for a reboot and uh because i'm not like i was i was i was never on the up and up about all the different developments with with the game being made i was always prepared to just play it when it came out because i kind of liked uh well i kind of like the first one a bit i was like this is a cool game i'll play the sequel and i heard bits and bobs i remember the wasn't it like one of the first sets of trailers people were very happy we're like super excited and then they were nice and grim and dark and violent and stuff so it set quite a good tone and because there was no context behind anything it was like oh this looks exciting this bit like someone's getting tortured in the dark in the rain and then someone's getting killed with a hammer cool and yeah i uh things started to end when someone leaked a bunch of stuff and i managed to stay clear of it i just kept hearing about how awful it was i had to like you know shunt several conversations in discord just to be like oh do you mind like saying what you gotta say but without being specific man was it worth it because i got to discover so much so much i had no idea what what i was it for uh you can you can find those streams they're all linked in wato's junkyard for now um but like the best bits of it are probably going to show up in the eventual video i have a crack at um but that's not why we're here today this was actually organized a while ago and we've just been looking for a time if you can believe it i know right uh we did a stream on on drinkers channel talking about our thoughts specifically on on on the film going through it almost chronologically and just breaking down how amazing uh it all is in terms of just wow that construction oh i do want to appreciate fat garalt is one of the best characters in fiction yeah i do agree so he's got a mean right hook man that garalt does it better absolutely i was actually sad when she killed everybody oh i could have gone for more fat garalt um so uh yeah we we did that stream and of course um i figure it makes sense for us to cover it a bit on e-fap too knives out we we did wait watch it i think if you go back to like e-fap whatever when the film was coming out i think i've said like a million times over like yeah we're gonna watch a critical drinker yeah it's gonna happen yep yep that everyone's talking like have you seen it yet like nope and who would have thought that all it took was uv like okay so we're actually gonna watch it i was like oh yeah okay today hold this day you're like yeah okay let's do it and we did and wow um much the same as the last of us too but for different reasons i didn't know how much tizm there was in this movie uh it was amazing so so many different ideas like narrative wise that are just uh shocking and and inventive and creative such as someone vomiting whenever they tell a lie wow oh that's a thing oh that happens we all know someone like that that's not strange and contrived just to make the movie work we all know someone who vomits whenever they lie well i've seen one or two people who vomit every time they see me um but i think that's for other reasons do you are you lying when they see you could it be connected when i claim that i'm sober like hello there and then they vomit and you're like i didn't even lie what the fuck do you have to do this every time oh i i think my favorite contrivance was the character whose name was Hugh specifically so a single line of dialogue would work later in the movie i have seen defenses of that where someone says you idiots they establish his name is Hugh early on as if that like addresses our criticism at all it's not about when they establish it it's the fact that it even happens they could have called him so in a in a perfect world right he's not even called ransom he's just Hugh throughout the whole movie and at the end we're like his fucking name rhymed with you oh my god but it gets worse because nobody fucking calls him that it's oh it's fantastic uh then yeah the those are like the top probably well we say it's hard to categorize there's lots of really stupid things in it but um yeah you know not exactly looking to repeat the stream we had with drinker but it may come up different things trying to qualify them as we do while we check out two different videos today i say two could end up being one who knows you know how it goes with you felt um one argues that knives out is perfect the other argues that it succeeded where the last Jedi failed now which of those two would you guys like to check out first oh let's let's do them in the order that um that you mentioned them yeah perfect first how do you feel about that chat we're gonna go with the hyperbolic title first i'm just i'm just i'm just curious i got the tlj one anything that says that they succeeded is hyperbolic hey i'll have you know right that a lot of people actually do think that this film is either pretty great or uh good yeah a lot of people are wrong we do have to do some convincing all right we'll we'll get to it um you know most people just saying do it when there was an option of two so um i appreciate the do it so yeah i've given you guys a link if you want to hop in anybody who hasn't already yeah let me hop on in clicky this button here load up my page get my video ready i've got my my pipe and my hat my hat that has the brim on the front and the back so i could flip it around either way and still keep the sun off my eyes while i'm invest baiting um i got my checkered coat um i've got my manservant oh i'm jealous um oh yeah one of the so the we're covering cocaine the first one is called like i said knives out is perfect and in the title says perfect well it'll be interesting to see the qualification for that and the second one is going to be by philmento we wouldn't have covered him yet at all but uh someone that we've been asked to cover a couple times also asked to have on to guest which uh he's welcome to um uh you got yeah do it uh if you want so let's let's load her up knives out oh geez uh oh my goodness i can't watch that video you can't video unavailable this video contains content from taylor munchin fernsey gmbh who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds first half of those were not real words second off go ahead and get like uh you turn on your vpn i don't have a vpn you don't have a vpn i there would literally be the first reason i would need one um well right can am can't he right can't you go to the border of your country give me a second so if you try to watch it just directly through the channel it wouldn't work either through the stream what guess so um there's a little bit of a delay there be a little awkward for you i guess we can watch the other one first and as far as i'm yeah you know while you write to the interior ministry of your country and ask them to repeal this something um have tell angela merkel to finally do something fucking good for once and let you let let you watch knives out as perfect the video essay make sure when you're writing this out that perfect is in all caps to accent its perfection i don't think we've ever come across this as an issue before and of course the weird one about there's no super rarely as well like i think i saw that once before on any video so i own um what about a crazy idea of if we watch the other one and in the meantime now if you can like download this video and upload it on your channel unlisted and then if it can give you a timestamp for what is what is making it blocked and then since it's only five minutes so it shouldn't take long to do any of these things and then uh i don't know put anything in front of that and then hopefully if it unblocks it then we can watch it unlisted on your channel this is my crazy logic yeah i need a link to that video though uh well if you just click the um the top left it's nothing to click me i only have a what if you um what if you went to this person whoever she is oh mad matt whoever he is and if you do they have it mirrored on another website like bit shoot or something uh just be sure they've uploaded it somewhere else then maybe uh yeah i think watch together works with other stuff so it works with youtube vimeo twitch deezer tiktok podcasts wtg shorts instagram twitter giffy cat pinterest kube daily motion facebook soundcloud mixcloud slides and watch together sink someone just uh messaged me that apparently uh the oprah browser has an integrated vpn so i might just check that out really quickly that might be the fastest way actually all right yeah i can't find on bit shoot the same video have you tried uh shit boot i have not i don't know if work i hope so um it's actually uh in german it's uh scheisse um oh i know the word huh did you say it worked no i said i know that word oh have you have you got opera up yet or and it would click install oh i guessed i guessed what boot was in german and i was correct it's actually booting why so what's booty i wanted to double check to make sure that i wasn't insulting the once proud german race um and turns out boot in german is booting i just want to point out how incredibly i i feel like pointing right now i am so happy oh yeah well it's a big sound of emotion i'm uh i'm pretty relate because you've avoided an international incident there rags so well done yeah nice job man pointing in german is zygen yeah that seems like it's made up yeah i think it is made up i like zygen that's something that i would say oh shit they've worked immediately hooray when you say worked immediately uh thanks space cowboy for uh DMing me that suggestion thanks space cowboy see you later thank you and the man kaboom thank you so you can see knives out this video oh motherfucker you click play and it went back to the way to hang on i probably need to click some something the fleek and fleek and uh enable the end norms i understand in norubaluban does this thing shrek like in tag would you say about shrek shrek out of this okay that move is great how could you shriek i'm just gonna sit here and get fucked up while you guys work on this good luck i don't know if we're on the verge of it being solved a lot what is it asking you for like a playback again i'm the opposite of trunk i'm super lucid or as they say in germany uber klara is fresh and on then all right there we go it works yay we're ready to check out here okay here we go knives out is perfect let's do it strudel time guys out is fresh and not in the rotten tomatoes 97 percent sort of way but in a different hate his voice already knives out some master piece that shows a perfect look knives out some masterpiece all right more like a a masterpiece of bad filmmaking dude oh that is fucking great i love it great representation of a director's vision done right i thought it was a spin on the classic director's vision done right well it's what he wanted yeah there's no doubt about that enough for being a classic who done it story it wants to be a classic who done its story like in the aesthetic aspect that's clearly what it's going for old man murdered mansion everyone's there in the same night who could it be like if you look at it from these very broad aspects sure it's a classic who done it if that's what you're going for i just i like the whole like what you just said there's like you know who could have done it and i think a lot of people will probably end up describing this movie as being like ah you know all of them were motivated if you're like no just for just for the rest of them are completely superfluous and pointless yeah and they just chew up screen time as i was a spin on the classic who done it story that subverts expectations the ryan johnson way which in this movie is great expectations the ryan johnson way and he's uh he's really ruined that isn't he he kind of has it has an insane negative connotation now unfortunate it's kind of like i don't know what other things have negative connotations uh women's rights the holocaust oh yeah yeah 13th amendment yeah of course i guess just a johnson film like it could be by any other johnson but now it's tainted forever purpose of this video is to try to explain the genius filmmaking and script of knives out and why it is my favorite film of the year all right this movie starts off perfect wait when did i talk about it was 2019 right yeah uh let's see uh let me go to 2019 movies oh you don't you're gonna be really disappointed because there's so many good ones that came out oh because that's a joker came out that year um i can't wait till people do a fucking retrospective on 2020 movies like uh night top 20 2020 movies ford vs ferrari oh good stuff some good shit that year i mean it was surrounded by hot garbage but at astra i like that i like marriage story we never saw uncut jam yeah marriage story was really good yeah uncut jams i managed to miss that one so it's sure so passionate we were about this movie that is taking us like an entire year to watch it yeah it was uh it was high up there on that list you know jojo rabbit the lighthouse yep yep so great um togo came out on disney plus someone in chat suggested john wick three why would you do that to me no was it zecho bird he's just trolling me all the time what john wick will defoe is will helm defoe it's a pg movie about a sled dog yes and it's it's it's togo and it's willem defoe you reckon it's part of the knife plays the human he doesn't play the cat's came out 2019 remember 2019 everybody 1917 of course parasite jim my man another great it's only to watch for the ferrari but yeah mulan was supposed to come out that didn't happen yet yeah it's been deleted definitely no i think this yeah tenets got the same thing in it yeah damn this year is dry as they say it was unfortunate the last of us two came out like hey what's up everybody do you want some entertainment we're like yes please oh this wasn't entertaining i don't know of the office this movie starts off perfectly in my opinion by starting with the interrogation scene the interrogation scene reveals it doesn't start off with the interrogation scene does it well this would really start stuff with him getting killed or so the body being discovered isn't it yeah i suppose i'd be willing benefit of the doubt wise to be like so what is the main section that we're starting off where they suppose it's the well isn't it martin waking up and then goes to the house yeah and then we start the interrogation scene i guess the third scene is when everyone gathers at the house and meets together yeah so this yeah not really kind of not really i mean first scene opens with third scene you know whatever really motivations for every character and establishes the groundwork for the rest of the plot every character richard linda walton joey doesn't establish the motivations for every character i mean it's wrong you weren't even part of that interview if you're trying to be like super generous what did what did the interviews tell us about each of the four it's like linda's very proud and intelligent i would probably say i don't she's like the only intelligent one out of all of them seemingly outside of maybe ransom uh and she is protective of her family i suppose and then you have um fuck their names uh the guy who cheated what was his name richard the guy who cheated his name was richard ricin right so he uh is like petty if you remember he's like willing to shit on anyone okay you got wall who's just kind of like the dependable kind of basic guy doesn't seem to have much drive or personality to him yeah and um who was the fourth one of course the the um the parasite word is oh that's linda tonic tonic calais that's the one yeah and she she's very um like valley girl sort of thing uh which i i think is kind of the architect that we're going for in the whole film she's very um oh my god yeah but we don't get we don't get chris evans in that opening bit i don't believe he shows up later yeah um we don't get uh we don't get um meg no well we don't get jacob we don't get the alt-right troll we don't get the snowflake yeah we don't get oh well we so that's meg and jacob yeah the snowflake as as as he refers to it she does actually sit down for an interrogation but i remember like her scene is really quick um we don't get to learn a lot about it fun fact no no franz ignored for the most part outside of she gives that little thing to she says um ah the the like there's a plot she knows about poisoning someone with their meds or something remember like that's her one of her first slides where you're like oh and she discovered the body but we don't really find out anything about it she's really only serving a purpose in the film in terms of like she's like an entity that is needed to be in a certain place at a certain time to push the pieces in the right places she's not much of a character because remember her whole goal was to get money out of this right you're trying to blackmail you're talking about so frant yeah because she did the black yeah she was looking for um money for money um her amazing plan show up in a dark room i'm gonna get you uh so yeah like we don't i wouldn't say we discover a very much at all you get the um the sort of flashbacks to to the characters to try and be like this is kind of why they're motivated guy cheated guy wants uh the control of the publishing linda i guess just what would you say linda's motivation is to kill harlan and have one right yeah she seems to be well off and doing all right um didn't she like him like when they're like yeah she's very positive about him so she's she's not the one who's been embezzling money from him that's tony collect's character isn't it yeah uh yeah so yeah i don't think she's got much to hold over her really yeah so um yeah still a lot of motivations and stuff that we get absolutely no um no knowledge on a lot of characters uh they introduced characters later on um it does more to establish the stuff of what happened that night more than it even does the characters being interviewed which was um the intention right it's supposed to double up as a as a giving us like information on how the kill went down but also or at least the setting in which it happened while also giving us these characters they're giving us them traits by by the way that they say things and and all that but like um i don't know i've really felt like i didn't have much to work with and i quickly developed like wow they're all fucking assholes like that seems to be the uh the idea and of course when anything of theirs is threatened they immediately like yeah what does he say um like vultures speaks bloody knives out i think is his line um so yeah i don't know i i would i would be hot pressed to to explain them as characters in a thorough way with just those interview pieces it's kind of um little to work with i i would argue but a lot of people think it worked they're possible motivations and traits richard has shown to be unfaithful linda has shown to be proud of her self-made business which makes her arrogant and egotistical while it's shown to be petty okay um arrogant egotistical for linda yeah i guess but i feel like of all the people she has earned that i mean i don't hold that against her certainly yeah she kind of sees this business yeah i mean she sees the business as a accomplishment so naturally she's protective of it and like what she's done with it but that's yeah again that's that's not being threatened so there's no reason for her to act yeah these are just throwing out negative character traits about people as if you think we are going to think that's a motive for her when it doesn't make any sense he's supposed to assume that her arrogance is represented by the fact that she thought she would get uh in the house and she doesn't is that like i mean i don't because it's not arrogance you just like i expect when my parents die i'll get stuck it's not arrogance it's just yeah that's what that's kind of what i'm getting at like i'm i'm thinking about the film like how does that pay off exactly because of course well her expectations were subverted ryan johnson's style because the richard you could argue like he's a bit of a slimy sort of asshole cheetah person and how does that like reach a conclusion in the storyline it's like well his own decision to disrespect harlan by throwing the ball outside eventually leads to him getting his indiscretion discovered because he's an idiot and for some reason left the letter and assumed he just assumed it was blank letter so he just left it on the desk um so i i suppose there's a through line there but i'd be curious to what would you say his waltz through line like he's um apparently he's petty well even yeah not even that i mean because you know he's shown to be quite a loyal um you know worker for his father he's administered his publishing empire he's wanted to branch out into movies and things but his dad's always said no so he's kind of had thwarted ambitions yeah and then the implication is that like his dad wants to set him free by cutting him off and just letting him write his own novels and stuff but that's the assumption that he's actually a creative person which isn't born out by his actions in the story so because i'm trying to like waltz payoffs and it's like well he he just does the thing where he's like hey i can help you by getting lawyers from new york and then she's like i'll get on myself he's like oh there goes my threat yeah i don't really is that him being like i would i would i would be curious to see how that sort of roundabout gets us his character in a meaningful sort of position in the film uh i mean is it trying to say there like you know he's he's kind of dumb and he's kind of naive and even when he thinks he's making a threat he's not capable of going through with it properly because he doesn't really think through the implications of it before he does it that would be closer to what he's a little bit timid any kind of yes i'm not really able to play hardball whether because he doesn't know how but i guess you could argue he's still um he's probably the nicest out of all of them seemingly dare i say well does does he not say to marta before any of this stuff comes out about her inheriting the the the entire fortune does he not say to her look we are going to look after you financially yeah he's yeah obviously yeah and there's no reason for him to do that because he's not under any pressure to do so it's just it's like yeah well it's just being yeah so like that's an act of generosity on his part yeah they they try and make they're they're all unlikable people but they're not all devilish or anything um some of them are far worse than others um you know mag and richard in particular are up there as long along with joanie probably the three worst that come to mind not including of course is mag the snowflake one yeah because she gives up her friends well yeah i would argue that's possibly the worst acts that's committed outside of ransom right well richard cheating on his wife um joanie stealing 100 000 plus dollars from yeah i would actually say cheating on your wife it's probably not anywhere near as bad as because you want money you're trying to sell someone's mum out it's kind of weird um at least we're cheating there's context that could be there as in like what their whatever relationships are actually running out the stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars so that's it yeah i'm pretty certain that meg was doing it for selfish reason and even if she was pressured into it she still is an adult and yeah she still makes that decision yeah um i guess we don't have context for why richard cheated um joanie's just straight up stealing money from harlan lots of it um yeah and so i guess yeah like we are trying to sort of pass out the characters it's just there's uh there's little to work with as far as i'm concerned but um oddly enough the the most the characters who don't do anything morally bad are probably shakeup uh internet troll grand yeah he says he doesn't actually do any words that's about as much as he does but of course he's probably the least character of the characters yeah um he's just kind of hanging around i mean walt didn't necessarily do anything wrong even in the the scene where he's supposed to be threatening all he's really doing is walking toward her all explaining stuff be dumb yes yeah i'm trying to oh wait we can't help you with all the resources oh yeah the resources i have now okay cool thanks by yeah i have to rewatch it but i don't remember him really doing anything bad and if you remember he doesn't like go damn it you know she saw through my plan he just goes hmm because i go back home yeah yeah can't remember doing well all right then with everything handed to him don't use just a straight up liar with financial issues this is brilliant right who wait who had everything handed to them walt apparently i guess no walt had to run a business uh well as as they say in the film all he did was take the book and like stamp it you know and send it out so that's how they uh yeah i presume there is that is kind of belittling what i imagine is quick like a demanding job of running a publishing company stressful yeah i i feel like if somebody hands you a business and you keep it going successfully you're working to keep a business alive that's a thing that not everybody can do well especially if they're implying that harlan basically has nothing to do with it like he just writes his books and passes them over because at that point then everything to do with the book from then on is all walt either controls all of it i imagine well yeah you have to get editors you have to get artists into design the covers you have to get publicity things arranged you have to get publishing deals sorted out in each territory you know all of these things have to be done to make a book actually out there to get it to get it finished yeah it's taking like the position i guess in this film with all of them that none of them have really ever worked for anything they've all been handed uh everything they have really it's just like huh it's kind of it just kind of undoes a lot of whatever different bits and bobs of effort and talent that would have gone into each of their particular roles like um she's all about real estate linda isn't it but they say like it doesn't really matter because she was given a million dollars to start with yeah but then if you're dumb like you can waste a million dollars very quickly and easily and get nothing out of it so presumably she is smart and she had to work with yeah especially if you invest at all yeah that's a this again this is this is the this is kind of the classic thing with you get with ryan johnson where he shows characters doing one thing but he tries to construct a narrative around them that's completely different and tries to form a different opinion you know if you have someone like rose tico who consistently fucks up everything she does but ryan johnson's script tries to portray her as a heroic smart intelligent character yeah when her actions are the opposite of that and it's kind of like what he's doing here you've actually got a bunch of people who okay they've been given opportunities that the average person wouldn't have or they've been given resources that they wouldn't have but they have done good things with those resources they they've worked hard and applied themselves or at least some of them have well it's the thing we don't know any of the details about how walt how in in fact the ones we really don't know anything about is uh richard like what is i don't even know what he does but we're supposed to just like be fine with him not being uh considered a like as much of a leech as linda and walt despite the fact that we know they have these positions so they must be able to run them like at least and then of course you have tony colette's character who is pretty much characterized entirely as a leech and that's not the same like there needs to be a line between her and what they do because they actually work and it's kind of awkward because it does they they do sort of frame it as like the whole family of leeches basically or um at the very least they're squandered they've been spoiled which is pretty funny by the way considering linda seems to be uh probably like what ten years younger than harlan or something yeah like well it's time for you to spread your wigs and fly and it's like what the fuck do you mean yeah this is what i think we were discussing on my stream where it was like the same thing he says to walt who's like easily in his 50s by this point judging by his appearance you know saying like oh you know it's it's i'm going to set you free from the demands of this publishing job and i'm going to let you write your your own books and get out into the world and be creative and it's like these aren't people who are in their teens or their early 20s who've got their whole lives ahead of them to like reinvent themselves they're middle-aged people they're probably their property to pay for they have your kids yeah like they they have kind of reached the zenith of their accomplishments already you know it's time to go out there into the world like what the fuck dad i'm only five years away from collecting a pension don't do this to me um i'm gonna roll it back so they said they just declared something was smart i want to know what it was to him joanie's just a straight up liar with financial issues this is brilliant writing using the interrogation scene to show character traits oh who done it is going to have an interrogation about brilliant i mean that's that's it's kind of standard for an interrogation scene you ask well and i don't we're accidentally commenting on what you're supposed to do as a writer in the first place which is no one thing you should always only serve one purpose like you try to achieve more than one thing at one time um and so he's like ah you know we got the interrogations are running at the same time is getting characteristics so we're like how would you even have an interrogation without characteristics being spilled out yeah i i feel like i calling it brilliant as a little hyperbolic considering that this should be standard for what this scene is um i'm i'm okay with like appreciating that taking place i just don't think it was very well done i don't know yeah i don't know if it reached brilliant status especially if it's supposed to get us to really understand the family and yeah yeah ultimately any any scene where you've got characters answering questions and perhaps given their own perspective on something that is going to tell you things about the characters regardless of how well it's written it's just a factor of what it is so yeah this isn't this isn't great writing this is just like standard somewhat effective like you know multifunctional bit of writing at the start of a movie that's all you get from it well yeah it's not being used by any stretch i think it's like olympic diving in the sense that the more difficult the dive you're trying to do the higher your possible score can be so when you're writing something like an interrogation scene in a mystery movie and you're using that to simultaneously explain some characters while re-explaining the events of that night according to people you're gonna have to if it was more complex and interesting sure i feel like it could be brilliant but like that is one part i remember and i thought yeah that was that was kind of well done but if not pretty obvious but it kind of works as a funny it's the um you know hey waltz says uh you know he's doing pretty good with his little thing knowing full well that uh they all think that he was handed it or whatever so you're trying to coax out some some uh prods from the family with that statement lynda sees right through it and she's like you know you're uh that's not gonna happen we're not gonna rip into each other and then of course richard immediately starts spilling his guts about how much he's uh you know got an issue with with how waltz sucks and it's just like hey okay but like i don't feel like we got much of any of that at all outside of that yeah leave me alone so and i feel like if we got more that would have been great i mean the way it's constructed as well i mean i have to re-watch i guess to know for sure but like each character kind of has a piece of the puzzle in terms of what happened that evening haven't they like they each were in different places when at different times so they're each able to fill in a little bit of the the blank in terms of what happened and where harland was seen at certain times and what noises were heard and all that but they don't tend to overlap all that much as far as i know whereas what you can sometimes do with movies like this is that each person has access to the same information but what they choose to divulge tells you quite a bit about them you know i mean so like if they do is to omit certain details to make themselves look better or to cover up something that perhaps they were doing that they don't want other people to know about then you've got the interest and basis of of you know playing with who who's done it basically because then why is this character choosing to not mention this certain thing which happened are they hiding something does that mean something more that's something you could do but then it doesn't work like that at this time around because they each know something separate they each have access to separate bits of information rather than a complete picture yeah there's nothing that we can really because if we're reliving this from everybody's explanation of it then we can't tell if it aligns with reality or not we just kind of have to take their word for it and then see over time how it plays out yeah and that's the that's the problem with doing it all at once all the interviews or all the interrogations all at the same time if you were going to do it the other way you would spread it out over you know the first act of the movie where they all get spoken to at different times but this is this movie uses it in a deeper way not only traits are revealed in the scene the scene also shows possible motivations for killing harlan harlan is going to show a video to linda richard being so there's repetition here and i would ask what he means by it's used in a deeper way yeah i thought that that was the surface way the surface point that uh in that moment we're being to because i think uh on the first watch through which is like damn all these people have such thorough and detailed reasons to kill him it's like all of a sudden it's like oof because you get them bang bang bang it's like you've been stealing money and i'm cutting you off you have you know been cheating on my daughter and i'm going to tell you you are going to lose the publishing organization and go you don't have to go out on your own and the the idea we assume is that uh if if you were to kill harlan on this night those things might not go through um yeah give us if it's deep i'm i'm ready to accept that there's something there that i totally missed and didn't notice you gotta explain it though um so yeah that's all i just don't know why that would be considered deep yeah and faithful he's going to cut off jonie's funds and he fires walt for his publishing company all of these are possible motivations for murder then after all the interrogations are over i would want to question at that point what are the other motivations in the film if you could tell me just ignore ransom out of the those motivations you've just established right those those three i'd be like what are the other ones tell me yeah what are linda's motivations what are what are you know go go through each one because i think they're at best really like you could see why they might but pretty much all of them it's sort of a big stretch especially considering that they've all been either called out on it prior well yeah and so a unifying element could have been just giving them a motivation the more motivation which which is to prevent him from giving the fortune away right that's a better motivation that we get there than all the ones for the supposed murder itself you know like he hasn't quite written the will yet but the twist could be that he had written it before they even decided to kill him that's something like i'm obviously describing a very different movie that point but i'm just saying like it can it can help you because everyone has a motivation at that point yeah if the movie wasn't a murder mystery and was a drama that was instead focused around the fact that he apparently had more respect and admiration for his maid than the rest of his family and it was about the family trying to get her to give up the fortune or get the fortune from her or if harlan has said you know what i think she's honest and wise and she's going to decide who gets what out of the whatever millions that i have and it's about them it would make a good comedy in that sense it would be like a mad mad mad mad world or stuff like that where everyone's all these crazy characters are trying to convince this one you know nice person to get all the money but but we got what we got i suppose i love it um that like with walt being a suspect it's like well if his entire occupation or his entire career is based around publishing his dad books why would he kill harlan like that's the guy who supplies the books to him like he can continue to run it but you're right it's like huh you've um also that like was it done already didn't harlan say like we'll talk about it tomorrow as in like it's or i'll explain what i've done yeah it's like we'll work out the details of it but it's like i've made my choice yeah like that's something they probably wanted to make clear with those flashbacks that it be the uh end of time like the time left to stop the him from doing this thing is still open like it's not quite over yet so that we know for a fact we're like oh they might have killed him because that kind of does kind of line up but um even though you know he's like i'm cutting you off to um uh tony collett it's like is that done then i'm assuming they were like regular payments that were sorted out by you know a third party that connects to harlan's bank and i can't imagine that he wouldn't have said to them yeah that's not happening anymore and that it's done so like is tony collett actually motivated i don't know i guess maybe she just wants revenge he'll stab him she doesn't like him um oh yeah i feel like this is like fucking epic music in the background for some reason yeah that's kind of piss me off what epic music oh for this video yes you may have missed it it's very it's so inappropriate for the movie this isn't some epic fantasy movie this 12 year old kid is only 10 years old stop picking on a seven-year-old he's three years old guys um i mean yeah like it's clearly a younger person uh but they're still sharing uh some arguments in here so it's used as a a bouncing off point but um yeah don't don't be mean any of you right we're just we're just hearing out it we're also a third through so um you know we'll then move on to philmento benoble to the marta and because she pukes when she lies which is just a genius character trait for a movie like this wow that's not really genius a genius character trait uh so i mean it's different obviously there's the explain why this insanely contrived attribute of this character and it happens to be a genius trait of all the people in the world it could happen to it was a person who needs to get through a murder mystery detectives questions while having killed the uh the party in question yeah um it i don't know how i off the top of my head can't think of a time i rolled my eyes harder than when we watched this it was like oh yeah i i i can't stand lies i throw up whenever i tell a lie i thought he was speaking figuratively when they sort of introduced it like it it upsets you when people lie like it like she that's her reputation she's like yes totally but she actually vomits and you're like oh oh wow she does so many times but then the script only has her do it when it's convenient to the actual story you know there's times when she could hold it in for a period of time until yeah she could suppress it until it's until the plot says she doesn't have to anymore it's very inconsistent benoit blanc can sometimes not pay any attention when he's asking her an incredibly important question yeah he doesn't know that she he just trusts that she's a good person this is why he's a shit detective by the way and he asks her a question that's really important did ransom have you drive because if she was driving him when they think ransoms behind it all in like a devious way then he would implicate a pretty hardcore and she says oh yeah totally and he's like okay and then she goes but he was on the other side of the car or obviously she was inside the car but it's just like and when we brought up vomit smells yeah i was about to say like it's like right between them and like a little i don't know a mcdonald's cup or whatever it was well they actually um put their effort into uh showing that too um i was looking at um a clip in it and uh when she vomits on ransom at the end one of the first things the one of the cops does when they show them again is start going like oh like smell wise oh really yeah so um yeah vomit vomit stinky guys yeah and the the little plastic cup will not contain all the smell well it doesn't matter you've got to hear mouth and lips like this that's yeah anyway if people haven't vomited before it's uh it's you have to you have to clean up you have to brush your teeth yeah it's it's it's bro a block is able to confirm all of his suspicions after the scene not even halfway into the movie harlan seth is revealed to be caused by martha this is a first subversion of expectations and it's done great this is where it leaves the normal who all right so i all done it tropes to dive into an even better story all right so what is what is the what is the trope being subverted of the who done it is that we don't find the killer is until the end yeah that's the subversion is that we're finding it out early i don't think you should get points for that i think you should get points for execution yeah um i i don't feel like this is yeah this isn't a subversion like i if you are expecting to not know but i guess it's only a subversion in the aspect if you walk into the theater and you start watching and you think that at the end they're gonna reveal the killer but they don't then you're just like okay there's still a plot going on here there's still a story being told that's what our reaction was we were like oh yeah well it's like all right they can't be that simple though because we're watching a film that'll have a bunch of reveals so something else must have happened that's what we just assumed and we thought it was a problem at first that Harlem wasn't falling over and you know slurring and dying within the first minutes of his uh injection up to eight and more but it turns out it's because he wasn't actually injected with morphine which any good nurse should have been able to have spotted at that point uh yeah there's that's the thing the execution is all over the place with this and if you are someone who is really keen on details like that you might think ha that proves that da da da da da da when really it's just a filmmaking fuck up courtesy of ryan johnson subverting what you would expect because what you expect is based off logic and reason ransom expected to come in and switch the bottles back after they were used um so to cover the tracks of it being would that make sense it would make sense for a wait because he's he got morphine and and and medicine he swaps the liquids in them and so Harlem dies of morphine overdose he swaps the liquids back so it just looks like yeah it doesn't work to according to his plan though she like I guess the way he was imagining it Marta would have just immediately reported it to the police and be like oh my god you know I gave him the wrong medicine he died from a morphine overdose I'm so sorry she would have got arrested and stuff but like the police would have done a toxicology report immediately to confirm what they'd uh what she'd suspected but why would he expect the bottles to still be there well exactly and I was gonna say it they would also take away they would confiscate all her medical gear so that they could do an analysis of that and understand and corroborate everything that she'd said and if his plan well this goes into why did he even hire Leblanc in the first place yeah the the premise once again for Ryan Johnson's premise of his films goes right down I keep calling him Leblanc it's just Blanc I don't I don't know why I don't know I must be thinking of someone else but Daniel Craig's character yeah he would if he came there I don't know what he was supposed to find out or discover the whole thing falls apart the the involvement of the detective in the story who happens to be the one who solves all the mysterious mystery stuff he shouldn't have even been here um Chris Evans's character is portrayed to be very cunning and shrewd and capable of complex maneuvers but his reason for involving this extremely skilled famous detective doesn't make any sense of the plot and is totally counterproductive why would you need a special specialized detective to discover a toxicology report like what the fuck does he only hire him after the housekeeper discovers what he did and sends him like a threatening man because is that when he panics and he's like fuck I need someone to like I could be wrong but from what I remember he figures out from the toxicology report that that must mean remember Fran so this is really bad Fran is like I know that Chris Evans did something so she gets a copy of the toxicology report she discovers it's blank it's normal so she photocopies the header and sends it to ransom as a bluff she's like I know what you did and then he sees that and so he assumes oh shit so he was hit with the morphine that's why he killed himself to cover for Marta oh I can now implicate Marta if I just get a cop or a specialized detective to get the toxicology report because that'll prove that foul play was at hand beyond just killing yourself and so that's what I'll do and of course he needs to kill Fran as well right to knock her out of the he needs to frame it as though Marta killed Fran too that's that's a plan um and all you needed to do was nothing because yeah so he got him involved the report after you get it and not just look at yeah like who gets a toxicology report that no one checks like what would be the point so stupid like he must have just looked at the top and go oh yeah that is the report put it back down into the into the envelope and just send it right further or copy no yeah but when no but when when Fran sent it to him she she left the the results blank so he didn't know the results yeah she was if you remember then when he shows up to her she's like I knew it because she didn't know it but him showing up means that the bluff worked because it was a bluff she didn't actually know what she was doing there but again Fran is a whole other thing character wise yeah we're not even getting to the ridiculous notion of that whole scene where she goes to meet the killer someone who she who is a killer imagine Fran being a relatively reasonable housemaid just goes you know what um hey Walt like I don't know she's trust Walt whoever go to the police with this you'd be like I saw ransom swapping the medications for Harlan after he was killed like isn't that weird I think like yeah that is kind of weird medications you say hmm I suppose that would be in his blood whatever happened with the whole theme that everybody in this family is greedy right because Fran wanted money too yeah they're all just dicks yeah and this is the funny thing it will because I know that there's going to be someone out there literally right now being like but guys so do you understand it wouldn't have worked because the toxicology report was cleared but it's like yeah ransom never found that out not until way way later what would he make of the fact that he died from cutting his own throat so he so you have ransom hears that he died from cutting his own throat oh wait hang on Mueller is wrong ransom hires Leblanc because he saw the suicide in the paper well yeah but he needs it to be reframed as not a suicide and the the way to do that is through the the toxicology report that's why he wants to hire Leblanc hire Leblanc to look at the toxicology report well this is the thing are we assuming then that they would have looked at the toxicology report and still concluded suicide well if it was if he was clean so then what would bring Leblanc do that's the thing I'm trying to sort of this is the problem you have to think of yourself as ransom what did what was in ransom's head and he was like ah she's threatening me with the toxicology report therefore it must there must be a problem because you remember Leblanc Leblanc that's legal legends uh Blanc says his reaction to the toxicology report threat was elation because he knows that that means that there's still evidence that Marta would have given him the wrong drug because he thought that's what the toxicology report would show yeah you guys are so confused I mean it's pretty hard to keep trying to make exactly how many times it fails it's it's a little awkward I mean because and all of this relies on the fact that somebody was trying to instead of this person knowing what was done this person bluffs him and he misconstrues a bluff that I don't think was necessary in order to carry the plot forward to have that meeting between them where Marta has to say friend it's kind of nuts from ransom's perspective because uh if he believes that the toxicology report would give him uh put Marta in because this is the thing Marta can't lie you can't forget this I know it's a meme in the fucking film but if you ask her did you give the wrong medication to Harlan she will have to say yes yes so is that yes is that what he's assuming that uh Blanc would question her on and then she compelled to give the answer but why could you just do that because remember he's like he can't implicate himself as if he knows it's like but why would you need to you know be questionable of the fact that it's like what happened that night why would he kill himself did you give him the wrong dose what happened yeah who spoke to him last was was it the nurse why was she talking to me the medication so can we check the his blood like you can easily do that and what's anyone gonna do like go hey wait a minute why are you questioning that did you kill him it's like what why can't I question that and as ransom puts it's like they need actual proof they can't just be like oh that implicates you somehow so he wanted LeBlanc to think the guy who hired him couldn't possibly have involvement but it was anonymous yeah so which again we'll we'll carry on it's fine it's just unraveling it is fucking like immensely insuriated because of like it just doesn't make any fucking sense also moments of it showed the genius writing rewatching the movie reveals several signs showing that ransom was the cause of Harlan's death the line the great nana says to Marta seems like a throwaway line to the cops yeah I don't think you need to rewatch that to get that reveal the whole point was that he attempted to kill him and through an insane set of circumstances turns out not so he did attempt to kill him but that's you don't need a second viewing for that that's the whole point so I don't know that's strange to throw the cops off her scent but it's more than that she had seen ransom earlier climbing down the same way also the question Linda poses to Blanc why are you here could also be seen as a throwaway line but it comes up later in a big way you might have to rewind that a bit yeah well no I just I don't see how it's like oh it's just like sort of a throwaway as to who hired him it's like no I was expecting an answer to that by the end of the film I assumed he would play a big role who would have hired this guy to do this particular specific thing well yeah considering he himself repeatedly brings it up there's like his is one thing that you can't explain yeah he even from is the whole donut whole thing he says that's what motivates him which is pretty funny right like what keeps him on this case is the fact that he was hired in the first place so well done ransom it is as Blanc puts it a donut in a donut now I'm gonna sidetrack a little bit to talk about the writing in a different aspect the dialogue the dialogue is great in this movie it's genuinely funny at times never quippy just fun humor also the normal genuinely funny quippy I didn't I don't think I laughed ever I mean we laughed at it um but I can't remember ever laughing Chris Evans said eat shit over an hour again yeah uh yeah it's I mean I mean the bit where he where he forces more to eat like an entire lunch and then puts a bowl in front of her and he's like right now I'm gonna ask you some questions like I thought that was quite good but that wasn't really the dialogue that was just the situation they concocted you can still leave though this is like this is a this is a this is primo example time area so maybe he'll give an example here well yeah because I would have counter examples of um all the cringy political stuff like alt-right troll sjw marxist tizum anchor baby I I wanted assholes the president look oh yeah well Hitler was an asshole man this dialogue I love it uh I guess I would have to rewatch thinking about what I the dialogue specifically to really go with the you know whether or not I think it's strong or weak but I would probably hesitate on week for now with what I remember dialogue wise what character interactions are fantastic the characters seem like they've known each other for a long time and this is essential for this movie to work as well as it does the characters besides her martha all are shown as bad people it's a classic principle of show uh characters are all shown as bad people except for martha no um I wouldn't say that this film is a a show don't tell in terms of people's character we're told that he's cheating we're told that he's an alt-right troll we're told stuff and we don't see that manifest in them in their action yeah we're told she steals money yeah yeah um linda we're told linda is just being carried with money I would actually want to hear the arguments for linda and walt I want you to explain to me how you know they're bad people and um I know that because I kind of meme around when I'm like all the people impossible to fucking like they're all assholes in this film I'm being a little hyperbolic with that one I'm mainly with linda I think about when she like just fucking points and shouts at martha and she's like did you have sex with my father like she does lose her shit a little bit there but I mean it's fair enough her entire inheritance has just been taken away I think you can allow it to be a little frustrated in the moment as for walt um he does bring up the mum as being like maybe you could argue that's a threat but you could simultaneously argue that he's actually looking out for a little bit you can't really be sure yeah because he is the one character who goes to her and offers and says you know with all the money that he expects are gonna get from the will that he's gonna take care of her and you know treat her well um so I have to see the scene again and try and pick up on his mannerisms and his expressions but it could go either way yeah I would I would be curious to hear the arguments for why those two particularly are just signed off all full people also I would like to hear an argument for why the alt right troll is evil outside of alt right troll that would be neat but I don't think yeah someone in chat said he doesn't ever express a political belief yeah barely even talks to anyone the anchor baby thing is probably the the closest thing but even that you'd have to try and dig a bit to assign it to a particular political ideology rather than just him being an asshole or shouting yeah you know don't tell what this movie uses to its full extent ransom is shown as a bad person but not in a psychotic evil way I mean he's told he's awful again and again and again and then we meet him yeah I think that was the point of the film he's like the most likable one at the midway point yeah what I said is that I don't think that was an accident like because and then we see then it shows him doing all the stuff at the end so but I guess it's fine yeah I mean he fucking he killed people yeah I mean he's referred to though as the black sheep of the family which in any like in different contexts could just mean like he doesn't adhere to their standards of being a businessman or being a successful person you know that doesn't necessarily make him bad though it's it's a contextual thing we are giving enough information about him initially he constantly argues with Harlan that's their thing they just shouted each other um everyone finds him annoying when he turns up and he's like you know why are you even here you've been written out of the will and then the each it like he didn't go to the funeral yeah yeah like there's there's just we keep getting told that he's just like oh he's the worst definitely the worst and then he's like so uh dad probably cut us all out because we're kind of dickish like like she says that to women and he's just like yeah that's kind of fair and as an audience you're just like oh okay I don't know he's just rude to everyone I mean he's not rude to Marta not until he frames it a mirror of course but yeah yeah but I mean that's like this whole this whole plan oh maybe it's considered rude to do the whole uh beans and I'm sorry why does it matter that she's eaten food wouldn't it wouldn't it happen anyway he would know that she's lying regardless of if she's eating food I guess it would be more obvious in the scene and I guess she wouldn't want to throw up all the food probably not want to do it I suppose which probably just heaths instead of walnuts that's what I meant like I still feel like you can trap her as much as he trapped her there but I don't think he trapped her at all so you think people would be using this against her all the time oh a little bit if this if this was a trait of mine I would hope that no one ever learns about it yeah every time you get any situation you would have to run away from when people ask you questions evil way he's just rude to everyone I mean the end he goes full on psychopath but the twist is hidden so well by the writing and the acting and speaking of the acting I don't have a psychopath um um a little bit when he's just like I'm just gonna kill you now yeah um yeah at the end but I guess maybe like in a very high functioning sort of way you know like he's very calculated and well it's entirely vengeance he's like well I'm done I'm going away from Muda so fuck it he says in for a penny and for a pound right yeah if only he would have just never said anything in that entire conversation oh yeah we can probably get to that yeah actors are bringing their a game this cast is stuck yeah I think the actors did well yeah acting was good yeah they all seem to be having fun with it so I'll give them that there wasn't a lot for them to do I'll give them a yeah uh Daniel Craig had the most I'd say yeah oh Marta had a lot as well she was crying in some scenes and yeah I think she did vomiting Anna de Armas and Daniel Craig thumbs up Oscars ahead go ahead do it bomb game was a game she was good at vomiting very true yeah a lot of talent Daniel Craig Chris Evans Anna de Armas Michael Shannon Don Johnson Jamie Lee Curtis and more are all doing great performances yeah a scene that is a great representation of the level of acting and the level of filmmaking for that matter okay is the scene where Walt confronts Marta he's scary I'm not sure if it's from the close camera the intense music well it's really obviously we were talking about when malt confront it's a red hallway they zoom in on his fucking cane slamming into the ground as he slowly approaches her and his hand clenching his walking stick as if he's really fucking anxious and you know zooming into his face like and it's like yeah I mean it's the editing if you frame that in just a wide shot and you dim that red light to just being a normal light you might come across as entirely fucking normal yeah well it probably come across as the opposite like he's a kind of crippled man hobbling towards this young woman with a stick because he can't walk properly yeah you know like I don't think anybody was under any confusion with that one it's like the film is like he's evil would you like oh okay I guess though music or the openings but every aspect of this scene contributes to the tension over the top acting is just fantastic from every actor this leads me to my final conclusion oh I've talked about the brilliance of the opening interrogation scene well you told well you haven't talked about its brilliance you you made the claim that it was brilliant and didn't do anything with it um it's the thing it's it's it it was brilliant because it introduced the characters while running interrogations that was why it was brilliant yeah I would say I don't I don't think that's enough we need the pieces like how did they actually do it why was it well done because that's sort of that's more of a that's that's like a label for what it was rather than just like an explanation of how they did it yeah you're just making the claim that it's brilliant you haven't shown why it is if I when you make a video like this imagine that what you're saying is you're going against the grain whoever's watching it doesn't agree with you what can you say in order to convince them if you just say it's brilliant people who already think that for whatever reason justified or not they're going to agree but you're not going to change any minds by just saying that it's good well I mean you can tell this video is very um gushy like they watched the film they loved it like I need to make a video just I need to express yeah there's no depth to it um which is you know fine it's called a video essay though I don't understand how this would how you could even call this an essay format there's no um yeah that's all probably just thinks that a video essay is a a video on youtube that talks about a movie I tell you the fucking the video essayists they've ruined the term the only time I will ever put that at a title is for the irony and I guess while we're on the subject constructive criticisms of the criticism that I would give apart from pronunciating things well would be this background of the orange and black film reels moving around very distracting I don't hate it I'm fine with it I guess I mean I'm not I think it's very distracting cut the cut the background stuff cut the the epic music which is totally I know this is tricky well I suppose it's not a problem now because the movie's been out forever like use actual footage that's relevant to what you're talking about like if you're talking about a specific scene then use that fucking scene and put that in there give us some audio of it I think what he's done is he has seen you know background footage being used production footage being used it's all that they have behind the scenes stuff but they don't have that's what you do in a video essay you show this footage oh do you mean to like give the sense that you are digging into it this is like this is beyond the movie now this is like production well I wasn't really saying for the reason though that is probably a reason why some people do it I think he has just watched other people do it and he's just emulating it and that's kind of why that's why it's called a video essay because I think that in his mind just a youtube video that's talking about a movie that's what a video essay is that's all it has to be I mean it's such a quick and dirty way of making a video because one you know you're not going to have to worry about copyright when it's just like a behind the scenes feature it and two because it's not relevant to anything specific you're saying you don't have to edit it or cut it or anything you can just have it running like it it just one long chunk and it's not going to matter oh yeah it definitely it's definitely minimal effort um just to quick put it out there it's almost like just making a video for the sake of it which you know I think it's a yeah you know 74 subs you know the very early channel just starting off yeah I mean I still think this starting point is better than a lot of people we've covered just saying oh yeah absolutely yeah that's true that's true if the microphone quality was good and someone was speaking in a very I guess more professional manner and it was someone who just sounded older you could absolutely confuse this with what's supposed to be one of the top tier film criticism videos it copies the style in a lot of aspects much in the way that knives out attempt to emulate but in a bad way a genre of film there's your there's your through line right there oh my goodness the show don't tell principle the characters the acting but I wanted to end with one last point yeah I'm pretty confident that I could make if I was gonna make a video specifically about how nice or knives out is a bad example of show don't tell I would have a lot of I'd have a lot of ammunition yeah I'd say so last point this movie made me feel something left me on the edge of my seat around every corner it's averted my expectations in an impossible to predict away okay so subverting your expectations in an impossible to predict way you couldn't have predicted how they didn't do what you expected I was kind of upset when I found out that ransom was the one because I was like yeah it's like yeah it's like we how we discussed and it's like we kept expecting there to be another layer of yeah you know reveal on top of it it's like uh you thought it was ransom but actually here's something that's going to recontextualize everything and how ransom drilled himself like he could have made it out in so many different ways but he kind of just fucked himself over yeah I was really looking forward to how it would all get wrapped up and if if there was going to be because we know in a in a medicine's we all knew that it's ryan johnson and he's trying to do something super tricky sneaky at the end to it's going to convince everybody that he's clever really kind of disappointed really kind of hoping for something better instead of a huge number of contrivances and conveniences happen to further along a plot that's supposed to be amazing when we look back at it in retrospect and it seems we're probably throughout sorry yeah I was just gonna say it's probably the the author of the video kind of showing the rage as well it's like you know if you haven't seen many who done it's really good ones well constructed ones then this is going to seem awesome to you yeah I guess I'd be curious if he was here I'd ask him what he has seen you know have you watched pooro have you watched hell have you watched monk have you watched castle well the fact that he subverts the genre is like so you you are aware of that meaning you have seen you know the genre well it might just be that he heard someone say that and he's repeating it as fact which I think he's doing because he I'm saying he truly does believe it he's certainly not lying but I think he might be hard pressed to elaborate on why yeah a little bit someone in chat said kids often speak in absolutes which by the way not trying to dismiss I agree kids are sith and they should be killed not trying to dismiss entirely just because young that's not that's not you know that's what we heard out these these um arguments we're not done yet yeah I haven't brought up age um a lot of the criticisms that have made in terms of just repackaging stuff that you hear we do that with other videos too and that is something that people do regardless of their age can you guys have found a better knives out videos react to fill bento's up next and he's a he's someone who you you like as far as I know so we'll we'll check that out soon enough yeah check it out um after this is done looks like he's wrapping it up he's giving us a wrapping up statement I suppose predict away and its themes were prominent throughout the movie this is a fun no I'm I'm curious if I if he's here and I asked him so what are the themes of knives out well see I can answer that question I feel yeah and how does the film are all assholes well the film poses the question of who who deserves the the resources the people who were there to begin with the people who stole it all the people of good heart yeah um it's almost obnoxious and it's execution I would say pretty clear yeah uh well I think this is notice that they didn't say that these themes were well executed they were just like yep they're prominent throughout the project well they certainly are I would agree but to to to hear someone go through the thought process to get them to explain why you believe what you do um how'd you reach that conclusion do you have any references you know that sort of thing it helps you to find out why you think what you think um and it's good for you know practice format to tell a simple theme just be a good person um so he thinks that the theme is to just be a good person uh which is I mean I think that's almost broad to the point of almost uselessness this this I wouldn't disagree technically use in the film so for example uh the film one of the first things we get in the in the reveal of who killed him Harlan's playing go he's like why'd you always beat me and she says you're playing to win I'm playing to make a pretty picture the idea that she's not she's not got like evil motives she's just she's just good hearted and of course the whole good heart thing gets repeated over and over again like I said I would I wouldn't choose to say that the the the theme that they're going for is simply be a good person rather uh what like should how do we decide like who gets what and shouldn't it be based on the goodness of the heart rather than your standing or your status yeah I feel like if you're gonna say well if everyone was just good things would have worked out I'm like sure yeah yeah but and and even then I don't know if I agree with that too much because you look at like Walt what was Walt doing that was bad that you know he got kind of crushed by Harlan in the thinking a way that's not really all that fair and what was he doing what was he doing you know when you look at people like um Joanie I think yeah Joanie you know obviously she was funneling money away from Harlan to pay for college for her daughter so it's mean in one sense she's doing it for probably a good reason I think it was extra money on top of that right yeah that's it yeah so she's just a twat like she was just you know using the money on something else I guess so we don't even find out what was she like was it her she had a company right a skincare company or something uh yeah I think it's the idea there that it was like using it for that it was a disaster and she was just funneling her money into into that to try and make it work if we look at Meg uh she obviously does a terrible thing but that's after the fact you know if she would have if she was nice from the beginning as far as we know um obviously she's framed from the people who are the right leading people as being you know deluded with her activism and all that sort of thing but she's not cruel or anything in it she's not being a bad person because of it or that's certainly not her motivation as far as I know I don't see how Linda's being a bad person or obviously rich cheating on his wife is framed is a bad thing um which I'll go along with certainly for the movie's sake um we see ransom being a dick but in terms of being a bad person we don't really know what's going on arguing there's not enough to go with there yeah there's a lot of kind of up in the air sorts of stuff and I think people think that motivations are established a whole lot worse than they are they think that motivations are established a whole lot better than they actually are um I feel like we'd probably be a lot more lenient if this wasn't a murder mystery if the stakes weren't you know killing a person but if the stakes were much lower than that spotting the clues and how everything falls into place is like tantamount to the fucking ending like by design it's not where you go how well how does how does the space magic work for the the wizard as a lot of people like to try and shove away I'd be I'd be like you really gonna pull that with this like why do you care about how the logical falls into place I know who did it it's like I don't know it seems to be like the only point of the who did it straight to the characters in the audience that Marta won because she's a good person this movie was masterfully executed and wonderfully written but that wouldn't matter if the yeah I feel like especially the tidbit at the end where Marta you know was good so she got everything is like well I think some of the characters were being totally okay but got you know punished for with not getting an inheritance even though as far as we know they weren't immoral bad yeah so that I'd have content in terms of its execution if that was a theme that this film is going for I think I've got ammunition against it based on what happens to the characters not as they're presented but how or what we are told that they are but as they are actually you know acting and speaking and being and I wanted to mention because we have before but Harlan seemed celebratory about cutting them off like yeah fuck them sort of thing yeah he was weird he feels like he's done a really good thing and he says it's it's it's all gonna be for the best it's all gonna work out this will bring the family together which is um it's shockingly naive but yeah it yeah I think you're exactly right he's not he's not malicious about it I think he just feels like he is ultimately doing a good thing for them it's tough for them but it'll make them into better characters as a result yeah like what you'd expect maybe outside of um Tony Collette is for him to be like yep I uh I did it like you did it it's like yeah uh I really hope you know this is the right thing to do that that sort of reaction rather than I cut them off you're like oh it's like really happy about it yeah matter if the movie didn't leave me with something nice that was my favorite move of the year in part because of its masterful craft more of what it left me with I knew every character's name and traits after one watch I connected with them all and saw the themes I would ask him what are the traits of um really I mean I think that'd be interesting what are just trying to think what are I mean a trait is different than a set of traits that more flesh people out because there's there's I think there's too many characters who are involved I don't think that characters we talk about we the go-to is the the kid um Jacob Thromby you know like give me his traits give me Meg's trait you know these yeah once you start to yeah go ahead I think yeah if you've got a good sense of a character then you could probably predict how they would act in in virtually any situation that you could come up with but with these guys it's just like yeah they're kind of painted in broad strokes because that's all you need from them they're stock characters in this yeah I have no idea how Richard or Walt or Joanie or how these people would react to given you know situations I don't know enough about them this is why the motive needs to be so airtight and big and important and focused on because a person that we don't know as much about but who has a really good potential motive to kill somebody that goes a long way it really carries them far in terms of the mystery of could they have been the one yeah yeah I would actually you got um almost archetypes rather than characters it's mostly you you give one weird answers to what kind of character they are like oh this one's the that one I love his benchmark for for a well-written movie as well is that I knew the characters names after watching it it's like yeah I knew all the characters names in last Jedi it doesn't mean it was a good film though yeah I have a up on the list here in a second tab I have the the names of the characters so that I could kind of illustrate you know because I have to explain this stuff verbally um I'm good with faces I'm terrible with names so getting everyone's name down that's not something I do a lot maybe that's a personal thing different between people but names are hard for uh faces I get this is not so much this is a movie people will talk about in years to come but not in an avengers endgame sort of way but a ryan johnson masterfully crafted knives out sort of way this movie has no movie has no flaws is that way no opinion oh yeah wait he said in my opinion he's fine yeah oh yeah yeah he has no flaws in my opinion that's actually a great I like it it's it's no flaws in my opinion well your opinion's wrong well you can't the opinions can't be wrong with the fuck hmm I love that people are going to be talking about knives out years from now I don't think so um the most people have to say what the fucking movie is that it subverted your expectations by having the kill be revealed early that's that's all people really say about it yeah I of of there is hyperbole and but I we obviously we all do it as you know but um I film has no flaws when I would avoid yeah yeah when I would avoid all right it films a masterpiece films amazing the writing's brilliant like those are those are not as not as bad but a film has no flaws that's like specific well it's funny because it's perfect and I know I can't believe I'm saying this but if you were here I'd be like so what do you mean by perfect means like no flaws I'm like what what do you mean do you mean that it was there's nothing about it you would change because you adore it is that what you mean or there are actually like no errors of any kind um because it's a shame that we have to have a conversation about what the word perfect means you think we'd all be on the same page well because yeah because perfect means we're like oh you can't you don't be you don't be that right like that's not what he's like perfect has become synonymous with really good yeah yeah and that's uh we're all probably a fault for using it here and there at some point it's just interesting because he's like perfect in my opinion I think he just means that he really liked it not to sound hyperbolic but this movie is a perfect movie it's fun not to sound you even acknowledge not to be hyperbolic and then you call it perfect perfect yeah it's uh we might be operating on just different definitions here but I don't know fresh and like I said perfect that's why Knives out is my favorite movie not only this year but of all time so I said Knives out is my favorite film of all time wow you need to watch more films son well yeah I don't mean to be mean but that sounds like something a 12-year-old would say damn um I I would I would be like we you think it's better than like and then just rattle off a couple of your standards and just see what this one's from that year yeah this is the classic 1917 is it better than marital story characters really I don't know see if you've got like a little cousin or something like that who's like you know 10 years old and you're like what's your favorite movie and they'll they'll pretty much always just name the last film that they saw because it's what they can remember and it's just like that's that's they've got such a small frame of reference that's kind of what they go for yeah that's what we've got here like the next movie that this person sees that's halfway good will become their next favorite film of all time ever yeah um I mean I mean out of curiosity I would really like to know you know what's his top five to get a gauge of like when it's like when people say oh this works with games really well when people say you know I didn't like this game or I really like this game or this game was good or bad you kind of you got to get that frame of reference uh that helps you to understand maybe their their way of thinking or maybe it's not a way and it's just just feels jizzens unheard of these days but you know some people don't give it some people just aren't critical wonder if you prefer to tell me last Jedi would it be better than last Jedi I don't know yes that doesn't mean it's the best not even though this year it's just my opinion I haven't seen every single movie ever made or even you don't have to see every movie ever made to have a favorite movie yeah well maybe he's suggesting that had he seen more it's very likely this wouldn't be his favorite but for now it is yeah well favorite does imply that of what you have seen it is and all the movies this year but this is my favorite movie this year and it's my favorite of all time too so thank you for watching this video if you enjoyed leave a like down below three it's to subscribe and turn that notification bell and I will see you in the next one this is mad max signing out for now peace hey um thank you mad max just drop it a like you know and and push him to see some other films and see how this channel develops you know like be like hey check out saving private ryan and then see if he's like holy shit that's my favorite movie all time then you go hey check out the rings check out little drink go i don't know i don't know if i'd have to i don't know if he's a bit young for saving private ryan i think uh i'm pretty sure i was younger than him when i fucking saw it i thought it was a baby oh well well some kids are raped when they're 12 i i don't i i don't i would if i had a kid who was 12 i would not show them save private ryan that's wait since when did we establish he was 12 i thought that's what he is everyone's been saying he's 12 he sounds 12 12 is a meme age well this is a new video but he can actually be 12 no he might be 12 i'm just saying like wait we just fucking we just went oh it's definitely 12 yeah i well you know fair enough i'll give him some credit right if if you just round about that age or 13 or 14 or whatever credit to him because that's better than what i could have produced at that age so fair enough oh yeah i mean it's i certainly don't want to get him to quit i just i would say probably in terms of like um in terms of making videos to be constructive i would say you know stuff that isn't you know the visual stuff that's easy to fix you just don't do it but for making a video and scripting that sort of thing general rule imagine you're really actually truly trying to convince somebody who thinks differently than you somebody comes in and says no knives out was crap it was horrible it was terrible all the characters bad you know it's a real stinker what would you tell them to convince them that it was good what would what scenes would you show what examples would you give um not to be in a non-deceptive way what visuals would you pair with what you're saying that would be a good just rule of thumb carrying it forward um i don't see showing a violent movie to a young person as a tantamount fucking rape by the way no i i that's not what i mean by that that's that's only the time to rape you with my favorite movie um same part ran came out in 98 so i wouldn't have seen it when it came out but i remember being shown it in school would have been around really yeah yeah it was history class in high school i'm guessing it was i want to say year eight it was definitely i think it was after year seven but it was still super early uh because the teacher i was shown it by left really early in that school um i think for unrelated reasons i think i i think i would have been 14 so yeah i'm pretty sure so when it came out this is the thing um most a lot of the time what was what was the age rating for the same program is it 15 or 18 i think it was i think i'll write it off how do i find this rating is rated because there's quite there's quite a few fucks in there as well isn't there so i mean it's pretty violent blown to pieces oh it was 15 saving prio yeah it's rated r and i think r is 17 here uh it was 15 over here apparently which kind of surprises me in a way yeah well that's saying that sounds kind of low well it might be the it could be just older sensibilities i feel like uh it might be it might be um it's it's really hard to eyeball it in terms of like what exactly people are allowed to see at what age is the safe way is just once you hit 18 you can see it all i guess i guess i mean i i i suppose on on account of there being no like sexual scenes in it then i suppose that brings it down a notch for its reign well i would i think that i feel like the the visceral very gory nature of saving private ryan would be processed i think it'd be more difficult for someone to process that than a a movie's version of a sex scene again this could be a culture thing too because it's always like this this is an element of prudishness for nudity but you can watch people's heads get exploded and that's fine it's like really interesting um but you are right saving private ryan's not just like hostile where it's just violence it's also actually like traumatizing it's not yeah like mentally it's supposed to be quite stressful to uh yeah like i would i would be totally okay with um like letting a a a hypothetical 12-year-old son of mine play like killing floor two because it has a very fantasy you know a fantastical unreal aspect to it um well yeah because the interesting thing but to avoid ratings like if you have your aliens getting shot in the head and then they explode and green goes everywhere like that automatically goes way lower than actual blood or just red like i know that's the thing about age ratings which is pretty interesting yeah i was gonna say metal is it not like really strict in germany particularly for video games and stuff like you're very like restricted on the gore you can still there depends really it's uh the the most recent one i can think of as wolf was dying but that's mostly because of the all the swastikas they're like really bleep itchy what there's over here because video games are considered art so it doesn't count for them so they have to censor it so you'd like it's weird shit on the walls instead of swastikas and whatever but still you're right there's like a bunch of games uh both mustine included uh yeah i like i wouldn't let no blood or gore there's like a they they sell a low violence version on steam for example that they say they used to i don't know if it's still there but i don't know yeah i think that it's it's the way that it's depicted um yes it'll complicate it to be sure um because another thing that happens with kids is some in the sinocuous or normal and then suddenly they like have nightmares about it for the rest of their life and like why though it's like that thing creep me out and you see it you're like i guess it is kind of creepy when it's supposed to be cuddly or something um how things fuck with a person individually is really hard to like call similar someone mentioned a serbian film yeah i wouldn't like no one should watch that i don't if anybody like there's no age you reach from like yeah serbian it's like no just don't just don't watch it ever there's no you're right not safe for life is how i describe that movie i'm seeing in chat people are saying apparently it's allowed now so that's that's neat i guess what's a lab now apparently putting swastikas in video games well that's good so we're back to what is sure yes that's good actually let me check now is there a normal version of what we're trying on there what's the serbian film you're talking about but you don't want to know it's literally cold i think it's called a serbian film and it's just like fucking i've only read the synopsis of it and i can even barely remember what i read it's uh it's a ride a nasty nasty ride fun for the whole family as described in chat no no well just like torture porn or weird murder necrophilia tortured the it seems the idea behind the film is to be as disgusting as possible or at least close to it okay well i just checked apparently there's the normal versions of uh what was done here so yeah you did germany that's neat yeah remember uh when i was first uh over a year smaller uh when i was staying at else's place and i wanted to buy a wolf this time it's like oh it's low low violence it was like oh i buy it for you and i just gift it to you and it didn't work so yeah how old does someone have to be before you can show them knives out uh not well just be like just don't just don't yeah yeah i'll be fine with anybody watching knives out they probably get i mean someone who's really young probably get bored of it and leave they'll get subverted what so yeah interestingly by the way what if knives out was your first movie like your first ever movie yep it was your first movie oh that's a well i suppose because it's something for me brings up everyone so well because he gets frustrated when the films get rewarded for subverting genre tropes or subverting genre when he's just sitting there like but what if what if they've never watched the movie before well the thing is if you've got nothing to compare it to yeah it's gonna seem fantastic because yeah or is it on screen what if you you watched it you're just like well that did big said well i mean if you're not familiar if you're totally unfamiliar with the concept of who done it and you just kind of see this as a surface level movie you would probably come away like oh wow wasn't that clever there was things that happened and like it got there was reveals and stuff like came out that i wasn't expecting and there was like clever ways of getting around all this stuff that set up in the beginning wasn't that smart but like if you've seen any other movies of this kind you're like yeah it's dumb and it's contrived and silly maybe just also it's hard to say because people just develop differently like some of them would like would like oh she bombets when she lies that's stupid and i was like oh that's a neat idea imagine that well yeah i've had a lot of really young people just accept it they're like oh so it was brandy to fill but they see that they're like oh is that like what is that what we do in films we have like crazy things do you like no well it's not what we do but you can do it so anyway our next candidate is the wonderful film mentor who uh all right like i said we've been asked to either bring on or cover by different people at different times his argument is going to be that the night knives out worked with the last Jedi failed here we go well before we start uh let me use the luro quick okay yeah go for it be right back yeah i um i've talked about this before but like violent stuff didn't quite get to me ever when i was super young it was always uh psychological horror that was where i was like freaked out and um yeah as a parent then you'd be like ah so you can show them violent stuff just none that's like super spooky and you're like no actually uh some kids really do get freaked the fuck out by violence and so it's just a sort of bullpock thing we're just like don't show people who are this age this stuff don't show people this age this stuff i think it kind of depends on the context of it like if it's violence in a horror setting then yeah fair enough like when i think back to being a kid we were all watching these like big bombastic movies from the 80s like like Rambo and shit yeah and you know predator and all that sort of stuff like die hard and that's that's violent but it's not done in a disturbing way it's just um i mean kind of the skinned people in in predator and predator too i remember even being like damn yeah that's part of the fun while maybe violence in like a boxing movie like really harsh violence but still if it's boxing it's kind of just contextualized in a way that's just not so bad at all do you want to hear like a little a fun little metal commando lore okay uh there was one thing i was super afraid of as a kid uh i used to play video guys with my dad back in the day uh or i watched him and he was playing ocarina of time and there's the uh the scene right after you get a dulled or teen link or whatever and there's all those zombies in the town row those fucking things terrified me as a kid i had to turn away it's like but i'd tell me when you when you went through again that i could look again but man those fuckers terrified me at nightmares of those things yeah i mean the fucking the adventure before the return to ours the wheelers and the witch replaced her heads so many people get freaked out by the wheelers they're just they're creepy i actually i do want to rewatch that movie just to figure out how it's being done because i don't think they realize they'd be that creepy when they made them but like they freak the fuck out of so many kids isn't that movie is is just a complete tone shift from the original was it like dorothy gets considered like insane she gets sent off for electroshock therapies yeah i don't know if i've ever seen that one spooky ass movie and there's lots of moments where like you're just blatantly told us the viewer like these people are either dead or about to die and they're probably not gonna make it and you're like oh okay yay what's that it's uh it was an edgy movie rugs you bake it's a nor the the one i was just gonna say the one that always stuck in my head was a movie called crawl it's like a fantasy movie from like way back in the 80s and there's there's a scene where a guy gets caught in a door that's slowly closing um and he manages to like hold it open long enough to like let the rest of the group through and then it just like slowly crushes him to death and i always i always remember watching that like that just seems like a really horrible way to go yeah um which kind of reminds me of final destination two i think someone is getting is stuck in an elevator like their head part and it just slams up and down and it just takes it off i believe also i remember the the predator in predator two the net that just keeps retracting until you theoretically will cut them into squares of meat it just keeps you yeah yeah like i remember being freaked out by like the the experience of that like imagine the net it's just getting tighter and tighter and tighter and you just you just feel your body parts starting to separate it's like wha and avp had it right but avp was you know had to be friendly to younger audiences and so i actually thought they did this like specifically for me but they have the net go on the guy and it starts to close and everyone's panicking and he's like blood starts to appear in cuts but then the predator kills him with a spear like he just dies yeah and they have a shot to show that oh he's dead it's fine i always thought that they were like he's not suffering he's straight up dead it's fine it's like okay i guess i'll get over it i want to see someone get cubed well funnily enough that actor who almost got cubed there was actually the one in resident evil one who did get cubed by the lasers in the hallway the same guy just dependable commander man always shows up in rows like that he's got a great voice he does yeah it's very deep yeah he's very authoritative he's good shit i always remember being sad that he died in a in avp and in resident evil well i loved his you know his death in resident evil because he does all this cool stuff to avoid all these various lasers that come at him and you're like oh wow this guy's doing well and then it just forms a net thing that just like yeah he gives it a look where he's like oh fuck off it's like i'm done i'm just finished people saying colin saman is it that's the name it could be i'm calling salmon it will be sounds fishy so are we ready i'm so ready for film into this video is brought to you by a mysterious super hot mobile game stay tuned till the end to solve the mystery of what it is in order to win a super duper hella leap the guys modern day mobile game ad what could it be what's that game that these kids are playing uh pokeman go yes it pokeman go to the plan uh candy crush that's that rage shadow crush price this all feels like one like something he'd write last year i fixed what what i mean even if even if it did what the last year i didn't the last year i still broken just put it out there knives out is the newest wonky murder mystery movie from the now notorious last year i write a director ryan johnson maybe he means wonky in like an endearing way like it's uh oh we got the reveal so early yeah maybe wonky like is something that's broken and well yeah definitely negative connotations but i mean yeah it's just strange currently johnson began writing this film right after episode eight to get his attention away from the crowds of displease star wars fans hammering him on twitter and that i mean you should have made a better movie i mean he fucked with star wars and he would they made the most divisive horrible star wars movie that that there was responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars lost for a company yeah i yeah very close proximity to his previous film is very much on show here because even though knives out on the surface is a totally different cinematic beast than the last jedi in terms of budget and tone and whatnot when it comes to the way it is built narratively these two films are very similar the narrative elements johnson relied most on in episode eight those are the exact same narrative elements he relies most on in knives out and the reason they so character inconsistency insane contrivance messages not aligning with what i will build a big fucking obliterated yeah that's very interesting the reason this should be a very bad thing for knives out is because the said narrative elements were the biggest weaknesses of episode eight that made it so displeasing too many now i know that at this point there's pretty much an infinite amount i mean yeah i would say that in for six seven eight yeah yeah one of individual problems people have stated to have with the last jedi but i'd say most of those individual problems don't really concern it as a movie but instead specifically as a star wars movie you might not like the way leia no if this wasn't a star wars movie that would alleviate some issues yes because you have like the luke stuff and backstories for characters that would make it technically better because it would remove the framework that makes for errors you're removing all the history really shitty i mean the hyperspace kamikaze improves but it's still like wait this is something that can do still like yeah why didn't they do this from the beginning even within the framework of this movie yeah why didn't just one of the bombers just be like oh yeah we're just gonna set up bombers in the hyperspace and the slow chase plan none of that makes sense it doesn't need any other movie to not make sense yeah it's still totally nonsensical it's just a little bit less insulting because it wouldn't have the characters that are beloved to just take a dump all over i'm trying to think of what the other bigger elements because obviously luke is no longer a problem and he might be depending on what they refer to him as in other parts of this movie but yeah again if he's just he's just this guy on an island really yeah um the code breaker thing would be another oh yeah you know a ridiculous problem with your one other problem but just like a really shitty piece of writing the fact that the the entire raid on the supremacy got discovered by a fucking droid that just spotted them do you remember when people like i don't know if you you encountered this but people initially when the film came out were like you fools you're saying it's convenient they bumped into dj in the in the set in the lock thing but he was a fucking first-order mole and it's like no he wasn't he wasn't and even if he was like what how did what he was he was hoping that they would not only get imprisoned for a parking violation but the same cell as him well the issue is that they found someone in the cell that they were placed in who is a a replacement for the person that they happened to be looking for for a very very unique reason yeah it's it's absurd it's kind of like when it happened when you first see the movie like wait what like the the perfect person they need is in the cell with them and has the ability to get out of the cell and he's not asking for anything in return yet interesting yeah he's willing to work toward a potential reward is insane it's like oh i'll only work if you give me a necklace and fins like no it is like give him the fucking necklace jesus christ get another one is using the force but that's just called exploring the lore you might not like the way luke is different from his younger self but that's just called character development criticism wait a minute sorry how was i was just being framed right now i need to roll him back i don't know if this is a point he's making or if he's saying these are defenses people make pretty much an infinite amount of individual problems people have stated to have with the last should i but i'd say most of those individual problems don't really concern it as a movie but instead specifically as a star wars movie you might not like the way leia is using the force but that's just called exploring the lore you might not like the way it's a so he's saying that if you didn't like the way leia used the force the film is exploring the lore of the force i honestly i'm not entirely sure if he's making that argument or not yeah no i think that i think the way he's framed this these are his rebuttals to those yeah that's what i think okay that's what i'm getting from this because he's saying yeah he's saying like all of these criticisms are in the context of it being a star wars movie whereas if you take that element out he's like oh they're perfectly fine if you just see it as a standalone film that's unrelated to anything else that's if to say the hyperspace kamikaze without all the other films is simply us you know going like oh hey that's how that works okay but that's like i said that's not though that that still presents issues in its own film because now we're just like wait what why couldn't wait what's what's the limits here can we get like a little x-wing to fucking pilot their way through like just pierce a bullet hole size thing even through the radis because they've done that with a tie fighter and then you get those fucking wonderful counters where they're like why would hux want to waste any resources why would he want to endanger his men it's just like oh god it's hundreds of thousands of men to stop the only thing that's ever going to get in the way of the first order because hux is always so caring you know well didn't we discuss this once and we had to do some research and find out what the the crew complement of the supremacy was and it was like 2.2 million people yeah basically 2.2 million it's like you're just into ridiculous numbers just just make stuff up at that point why would you even care about individual people you don't train soldiers from childhood and have a whole armada of fighterships to use them in battles to fight people look at this this is interesting Filmento doesn't like TLJ stop portraying him like he does he's saying that this is the if this is the original film this applies yeah so we've actually counted both of those arguments we're trying to figure out visible we're not presenting as though he likes TLJ would you go out from yeah did anyone actually here say oh he likes TLJ I thought that he was presenting these as the as his defense of those aspects of TLJ at first because I didn't know I wasn't exactly something I was convinced of you can defend aspects of a film while concluding it failed or is bad which by the way he said that knives out fixes the last Jedi so why would he assume it's it's bro it's working you know I'm just it's just we're trying it's a very odd formatting here and I don't agree that uh if you remove Star Wars as a history um that the film is is now like like these these aren't problems like well no there's still problems within its own narrative and from his younger self but that's just called character development criticisms like these are totally valid but they aren't really objective universal problems that would apply to other original movies the true core narrative problems well I think it's almost wondering why you're making the distinction here and what point it raises so maybe he's going the direction of you see Ryan when given an original property can actually make something good just because when he takes over from franchise he fucks it up because he wants to do his own thing I'm assuming that's where he's going yeah and if it is then that's a huge um problem with Ryan Johnson in terms of his talent what I was gonna say I don't I feel like like if we actually said like ah see that's that's the kind of writer he is he just needs to be given original so I'd be like oh well that's a place he can improve then since when was it established that you're the kind like writers either they're good franchise writers or they're good original writers like why can't why can't he work on that it was like they're only good if you put them in these ideal set of circumstances I'm like yeah but isn't everyone hmm off the last Jedi I'd say can be boiled down to just three main categories which is that's probably severe expectations I guess I I guess but we saw it happen before it happened we saw it getting prepared before it happened so I mean like in I guess in a in a larger scale thing yeah I didn't think that there is any way that they would do that because that would be really dumb for them to throw away this potentially interesting new villain well I'm sure I even talked about the potential that Snoke could come back right we were like we were entirely convinced that they got rid of Snoke uh they did like they committed to that thing so I my expectations were subdued and if that's the visual that he wanted to use for that that's yeah yeah I mean I didn't think they'd make an incredibly dumb decision they decided to my expectations were supported my standards were too high high over oh and um if he fancies it wait for his argument so the reason I paused is because he played a decent chunk of clip and I'm a little bit concerned yeah and and also we're trying to be like when he played the clip what did he mean by it I guess that was the subverting expectation about Snoke all right yes he didn't even uh so I'm the person so number two uh so can't it by waste of time or it goes nowhere um is this about Finn specifically well I suppose we'll find out there's no way that he's not going to explain the three it's just it's just interesting to to I guess yeah to kind of figure out what might be implied by the three because they gotta be categorically different right oh yes this place is great see you around kid I don't know what this one would be so when he says see you around kid he didn't though I mean shut up it's a one it's a cool one-sided but not well it's an emotional one-sided it's like Han is speaking through him okay maybe he did you don't know his ghost popped up he's like all right all right well I guess if there is an episode 10 God forbid that takes place after episode nine in this you know in this local unit presentation of the Star Wars universe I guess Kylo gets to be a force ghost now yeah did that yeah that he saw him he's no ghost you know Palooza where they all hang out uh it's Palooza so like I guess they have a lot to talk about just a big cantina in the sky yeah they're all just like hey and Kylo's like oh this this this is a bit awkward and it's like ah sorry everyone's like how the fuck did you get here it's like at least Vader killed you know the emperor well inconvenience the emperor but you like what is you I can do they're all confused how he redeemed himself and then he explains he goes oh I saved Ray and again no I don't come from the chain that's not just explain it the subversion of expectations the multiple points of view oh multiple points of view I wouldn't have guessed that I would have been like the massive waste of time we also call the Luke bit the payoffs it's like you could call the Snoke death a payoff but you know all right yeah core narrative elements are the kryptonite of star wars the last jet I honestly I would I would actually just it would boil all of it down to inconsistencies you really can all of these can be traced back like why is Snoke dying a problem it's not because we didn't see it coming that we hate subversion or they just like it doesn't make any fucking sense that he was like outplayed by kylo fucking red the kanto bite thing we've already been over how nonsensical kanto bite is and then of course luke choosing to go up pay off to kind of to create this you know you can you can definitely go on the um the foundational level but I suppose you could call them subcategories it's fine maybe I wouldn't describe the last one as a payoff more of like you get home from work and you discover that your apartment's been robbed while you're away that's a payoff kind of yeah well it is in the sense that something happened you know I mean yeah if we go in like writing writing style thing I would agree with him but that's uh that is pay off so usually just the the final events that all the story was leading to right there's lots of different ones character deaths one of the most common ones it's like oh we all came for that it doesn't have to be like a positive thing like like that you enjoyed it or anything and seeing as knives out was written right after the last Jedi in reliance of these same core narrative elements it was very likely that they would become each script tonight as well and yet no unlike last time here each of those elements functions just great oh boy here we go you're showing like of all the scenes to show you're showing the fact that this person that not LeBlanc just Blanc uh in the car he knows that she's involved with the murder potentially the murderer she's with the person she's with someone else in the family who was there that night when he was killed supposedly they are fleeing actively fleeing from the police after showing up coincidentally at a place where evidence was that was burned down in an arson crime scene yeah uh and she then has to go with um Daniel Craig and he's in his car and just lets her wander off to run an errand after all of this happens and he's in there watch listen and do his music like all of this is just yeah there's there's not a part of this I don't think isn't retarded isn't it like very very bad to to run away from the police yes it's very bad that's instant arrest and she had no repercussions at the end well yeah fleeing from the police is a huge no no and then it's just like yeah you give me a ride sure oh can I pick something up yeah sure I just just I mean correct me if I'm wrong but even just saying like oh well I was kind of coerced into driving like that's not enough for them to just be like oh well that's good enough for us then we need to do take you in yeah like he's not even curious how it happened it's like why are you two together where did you come from why were you at the the fucking place he's he's happy to imagine that ransom forced her to drive him everywhere like what the fuck why wouldn't ransom just drive well because like why wouldn't he assume ransom we're just like why would he be like oh of course ransom made you drive like why why yeah why wouldn't he do it and why did you flee anyway because I think that fling from the police in a vehicle not on foot because those are different things I think that's a felony that's a big deal when the police are on a chase and you're actively running away from them that's a that's a big no no that should have some serious repercussions like that they might be the biggest reason behind this film being such a smart accelerating ride deserving of an oscarna oh no yeah it did get nominated for best screenplay that is uh oh no oh no nomination and it's like what the hell happened how did ryan johnson repeat what he did with the last jedi but suddenly in a way that all the previous problems have been but okay so this is the thing if i were to rewrite that state would i be like how is it that ryan managed to repeat all the mistakes he did and fail just as badly it's amazing you think you avoid learning so much well let's try to figure that out let's go through each of these narrative elements to see why they were problems in the last jedi and then see how johnson learned his lesson and changed them up all right let's do it let's see how to write the last jedi but in a way that's less displeasing and more positively incredible is that the sound from bioshock i don't know um i don't it's the sound of active in an audio thing right but without any of the voice coming out yeah i don't swarm that's what i don't think so it's similar but i don't think it's the one hey chat what is the sound effect uh it's probably gonna be like a record scratch is oh if it's like a generic sound then uh yeah like i could just be a stock clip i would my bioshock things are tingling don't say i think so yes it is it is mola no it's not exactly like that the sound of a real rolling film projector i mean it could just be that it sounds like it because they're kind of it does yeah i'm not i don't think it is exactly but it does sound like it perhaps the most notorious narrative aspect of episode eight is its unrelenting tendency to subvert expectations but despite this term now having a negative connotation the subversions thanks to themselves i just yeah yeah i mean i don't disagree with this like it's clear it's clear the goal was to be like how do i make a story that surprises the ever-loving fuck out of people aren't actually the issue the issue is that the subversions don't carry any fundamental long-term effects that would elevate the story when finnan rogues never meet the code breaker it is surprising but it ultimately changes nothing because they instead meet this other code breaker who has the exact same required abilities and so they go through the exact same journey they could have gone through with the original code i mean i agree that that is a funny thing to think about right like why did you arrest them just to get them to the exact same position they would have been in anyway yeah it's like why bother um so the subversion element there is the fact that they get arrested i guess he's saying but the subversion doesn't matter because they end up doing the exact same thing anyway so well i guess i agree yeah and then it gets into the aspect of why did they just plant their speeder there on the beach like why not a parking lot right next to the casino i'm not one to criticize alien customs but do you really electrocute and capture people who've got a parking violation yeah like wouldn't you ask them to just you give them a fine and then ask them to move the ship it's like damn okay come with your speeder off the beach man i mean for all they know they might have crash landed there well it's just like it might have been entirely like not their choice so the answer to this is that's how it works there it's like okay all right nice planet it's a very high profile planet you see no parking wrong but breaker when kylo ren cuts snook in half it is surprising but instead of raising the stakes and obstacles it just lowers them because now we no longer have a single big bad villain to fear and struggle against so someone who's defending this film will probably say that's kylo but then they would be fucked up by the rise of skywalker because he well not in the first half he's he is the villain but also palpatine it's it's all a mess it is a title right kylo is a mess of a character throughout the entire trilogy he's been pulled along by all different goals by different people he's he's barely a character at that point he's just a series of like they want these certain events to happen mash and mask no i want my mask back only this kind of bad guy who has already been established to be nowhere near as powerful all in all the subversions in the last jedi don't work because they're either just empty visual changes they're purely for the sake of being there or they just make things easier for our heroes which i mean convenient against all reason again i would want to start with just they're fucking nonsensical yeah but i mean i mean i mean i don't disagree with the border point you know i guess i'm more curious to see how he says that knives out does it right yeah i'm waiting for compare these two knives out where the subversions are not only surprising but they also always elevate and escalate the material to whole new levels there's a big bunch of great twists and turns in this movie but what i want to highlight are the main ones concerning our nurse hero marda the first pixel version comes when we suddenly find out that marda is the one who accidentally killed our mysteriously killed i think he's using that as a standard for protagonist i doubt he means like she's don't know millionaire harlan as well as the obstacles that brings your mom is still undocumented and if this is your fault she'll be found out and at best deported and your family will be broken we're not gonna oh my goodness wow that's the result of coming here illegally and having because you believe it who would have seen this is that something that they would find out when prosecuting her i guess they would maybe yeah maybe yeah yeah they would need her history security cameras pull off the road before the carved elephant wait was it before after take the side yard pass through the little gaze and for god's sake don't make any noise first of all this turn is pretty great in of itself because it takes this old genre of who done it and flips it on its head to keep things fresh which is usually done it that's not a that's not doesn't flip anything whenever no one knows you didn't do it thinking it couldn't be a woman i guess i think yeah it's like okay so he's trying to say it right it flips your expectations because you know who killed harlan ultimately because she killed him whether it was accidental or not but then it wasn't intentional we knew that someone tampered with her gear to to switch the medicines around we know someone hid the antidote to it so there is someone else behind this that we don't know who or why they did it so it doesn't change anything we don't we don't actually know beginning we don't know yeah at the beginning all we we as the audience we don't know that the vials had been swapped we just think that she made a mistake yeah um but there is the well there's the aspect of the antidote suddenly going missing which specifically says many times like it should be here i don't understand why i can't find it i said um the fact that we were half an hour in and they showed us how it all went down i was like so this is obviously going to be more context like this there's more to this so there's still something that needs to be solved here is you know is the detective gonna find out about her um if so then what's the process for him doing that i mean there's still enough to string us along to get us to watch it stuff yes i guess that's the point it's like it it introduces this subversion of expectations but again functionally it doesn't change the plot you still have to understand who's behind the entire thing so it's it's kind of the exact same mistake as the last jedi is made it's a revelation it's a subversion but it doesn't change anything it's still a you still have a detective with a list of who's going through a list of suspects trying to get to the bottom of a mystery we know the end but the process still goes through as it would anyway well i think the intention in terms of subversions it doesn't really change anything i think no one was to make you think once a murder that she's escaping like that's the rest of the movie is she's trying to escape the detective while like i said i never had that impression when watching it i was like there's gonna she because the whole film's been telling me she's like this good person so there's gonna be something more to it i had i thought uh one of the first like partial ideas was that um someone had killed harlan and made it look like a suicide after this thing with her it happened for some other reason i thought it was gonna be like really crazy like they watched her go in and out and then they go in straight after but of course they show her go back in and he cuts it through and i was like how are they gonna how are they gonna argue that someone else was involved in this like that was what i was thinking about the whole time really yeah right yeah it's the moment um blanc brings her in is like his almost his assistant i was like okay i totally get where she's at she is trying to discover who's really behind this whole thing while simultaneously trying to keep her involvement a secret so it's like okay that's fine i can get on board with that i was never under the impression that she was just purely trying to cover up her own tracks um and you know there was nothing else to it yeah it was always clear over that but i guess the idea is that we have and we have an investment in her getting away because she is a good person and you know harlan is fine with it and so it gives us the impression that you know she's the she shouldn't be discovered and you know thrown in jail and stuff like that that's that you know that's what the film's trying to tell us and all that stuff so there's that investment aspect the film is trying to put in where again it's like no one's going to walk into this into a theater to watch this expecting a murder mystery and be displeased by the premise you know by that technicality of the of the genre i mean i think that's that's what he's arguing is that you go in and you're like i'm not going to find out until the end oh i found out already hmm how fresh that's the but um i mean you get what you paid for at the end i would argue so i don't know that it so just fundamentally what does it do with its subversion and it's like well i mean it goes back on track so did it severe the subversion is that what we're dealing with i don't know i mean i i'd be curious that next time i uh see my folks i'll i'll ask them if they felt like it was a subversion genre i doubt they'll feel that way maybe in a technical sense sure but i mean i don't think anyone feels like oh i couldn't i didn't see that comment at all like well i think people are like i just i from the gango i was just like it's not going to be as simple as that it's obviously going to be something else to it like i didn't i didn't i wasn't in the camp of damn we know how it happened let's hope she can escape like i i never went into that gear i guess yeah don't make any noise first of all this turn is pretty great in of itself because it takes this old genre of who done it and flips it on it oh and sorry i wanted to specify the turn itself is pretty dumb as well because there's so many reasons why she should have been able to spot that he wasn't actually hit with the morphine dose oh yeah like right in the in the first scene when it happens like shouldn't it be like i don't know lying on the floor yeah and all of that relies on her having made a mistake that is very bizarre and specific that she doesn't look at labels on bottles she relies on the viscosity and weight which is fucking weird that never makes me not love so fucking stupid that's crazy it's head to keep things fresh which is usually a positive but the main reason for why this twist is so freaking ingenious and truly deserving to exist is because it raises the tension of the following scenes up to another atmosphere instead of us just casually does it clues of what happened and whatever the driving force behind the scenes becomes whether or not marduk can outmaneuver the detectives and the clues before stakes would fly it all the way back down the chasm when when they just give her important evidence and she fucks with it over and over again like i didn't see this as from long perspective you know she's involved this wasn't seen to me as like this this these moments of like oh my god will she do it will she make it or because um it's like yeah marta you can be the one to put the tape in you can be the one to pocket it after it ejects because the vcr is on fire slash you ejected it you can be the one to hold it actually marta i want it back now i hope you haven't happened with it it's so terrible when this when the script is giving her the solution on a silver plate like there is no tension there because you know she's going to be given everything she needs to get out of a situation there would be tension if they the police officers were genuinely intelligent and switched on to what she was doing and she had to be super ingenious to to try and get around them but there's none of that here yeah because all we we learn after the fact that blanc knew from her shoe that she was if not the murderer she was definitely involved that was what he believes he didn't know exactly how she was involved just that she was involved to where he got blood on her shoe so which by the way how the fuck did that blood go down her shoe like she was yeah that's another thing oh sure yeah that's another thing that kind of blows the whole thing open yeah how the fuck did blood not only did blood spray that far only that amount a droplet well yeah i was i would like to point out as well there's other ways you could get blood on on your shoe very easily like if you suffer a nose bleed for example or you just happen to like you know it could have been pain yeah it's the idea that blanc says that he knew and if he if he's operating under the belief that she's involved though to a degree he doesn't know yet the fact that he lets her do all of this stuff including running errands by herself after a high-speed police chase where she's fleeing from the cops and him you know all you put all this together and it's insane it's the incompetence of characters that is relied upon to carry this plot well to really sort of frame it then right you have up until he bred the toxicology report uh blank was actually not really sure of what the fuck was going on and what information do you have on specifically martyr you know even though this is not true but we're saying it from the perspective of blank he believes that she was involved with the murder because of blood on her shoe that's your first like oh secondly that she's like really dodgy whenever she's around you and constantly trying to avoid questions and and she's already tried to lie to you like she vomited that she turned up with ransom at certain points and she went off to do something mysterious and it ended up with us finding the maid dead or dying and she accidentally ruined the footprints leading to the house when you needed them like I would just be like you know the audience following along with a who done it it's like who do you think did it if we didn't get the flashback of her killing Harlan I'd be like hmm seems like it might be the maid all of these things are lining up you're like wow like yeah lots of lots of info to work with you she must be the red herrings it's too obvious so yeah um obviously the tension like how how tense you feel in a scene it's pretty much up to you but uh if we're gonna talk about like how the stakes are running here I'd be like they're very low because all of our characters are retarded yep yeah it by them which would have destructive consequences for her and her illegal immigrant family and the effect that this carries is so powerful that you're at the edge of your seat the I like how they treat going back to your original country is like a death sentence I suppose uh depending on where they're from what particular situation they were in at the time maybe they were on like the streets or something in their own country I mean I know it makes you wonder what borders are for at some point yeah entire time that's a lie Peter all right well can we see the actual date of course you got this scene so bad yeah here are you Martin you operate this it's like hey you have nothing that happens yeah we've got the guy who actually runs this equipment every single day stood right next to us but no no no you do it he has to literally talk you through what buttons to press but of course lads uh that doesn't matter because she doesn't know how to clear the tapes so what's she gonna do and then suddenly it's like oh I usually clean the tapes fully with a fridge magnet instead of just taping over them like any normal person would because this is footage of a thing that's like basically innocuous for decades on end that no one cares about and yet yeah we can't have just footage of woods that would be that's criminate shit right there also we record all of our footage on vcr tapes in 2017 this is set I believe or 18 something like that yeah they just haven't upgraded their systems I guess I feel like you'd have to go out of your way to do this and keep it as it's been well the thing we guys talking about her freedom her family those are not stakes um so she has a lot to lose but I'm not invested in a tense way if all it relies on is people being stupid yeah if all of it's just yeah they're being stupid investment and thinking that this is a proper world yeah like because I'm just like okay we'll get on with it someone's gonna make a mistake I guess that's all I'm waiting for as opposed to all of these intelligent characters are working toward a goal and one of them is trying to subvert the rest and I have to watch how they can cleverly do so which is what I think he's been he's selling to us right now I think but I don't believe for a second that that's what's happening I think a good example would be we recently watched Ghostbusters 2016 when you compare that with the original Ghostbusters yeah don't never forget but if you can if you compare the 2016 with the original the world of the 2016 version is like a joke it's not a real place no one acts normal everyone is goofy and otherworldly and just bizarre but if you go to the original people are basically normal it's a normal world it's very grounded it's very realistic so you have a lot of investment in it because you really believe in it yeah I guess I was trying to think of this is anything else about this scene that was fucking bizarre but I think we're right the the vcr gets smoking hot which is funny as hell how convenient well see but it's a combo yeah it's a combo of bad because because then it's muddled because then like she's not fucking the tape up by pressing the wrong buttons it's just it somehow starts smoking and then she uses the fridge magnet to actually wipe the tape later so it's a combo of things he he establishes that it can only be done in bursts because the vcr will overheat but we're shown her edging toward the eject button the implication being that she hit eject and that smoke just sort of that's just it kind of happened to be that that you know and also if he's the one who says openly oh yeah well there's you got to operate it a certain way or else the tape is ruined he's not the one who operates it yeah yeah okay this scene is not very good was the point anyway yeah see but so what I think what we said when we first saw the scene I was like just rewalk them rewalk your prints yeah you're fine you're wearing the same fucking shoes same friends even if you weren't throwing the same shoes you could rewalk them you don't even need to do that you could just be like yeah I've been through here a bunch of times over the past week because it's really true the guy was killed yeah that's all the excuse you need but no you know when I'd play with the dogs we'd go out to the woods and this is the path I'd take and yeah pretty simple then we have another instant of the police being fucking retired is that really tense rather than hilarious it's just fucking stupid the dog brings him the piece of incriminating evidence is like okay yeah and what is her idea she fucking throws it away because she'd ever seen a dog play fetch before yep another subversion that follows is that Mardar turns out to be the one who was the first subversion the fact that we know that it's not a yeah murder off the bat oh okay we're just making sure because that's a lame subversion all of Harlan's fortunes and once more in of itself it is a pretty funny trick that wasn't a subversion I felt like coming all the way yeah if you didn't see that coming like 10 15 minutes before you were not watching this movie yeah I think I think we all caught it was just like it's gonna it's not it's going to them that's the because they set them all up to be proud they're they have shots where each of the family members are like so excited they're so happy to be here they're so ready for this money it's like yeah why else would you even have a scene like this where the wheels getting read out is it unless to deliver really shocking news like as if it's never gonna be like yeah so you're getting this and yeah it's all gonna panic pretty much like everyone expected nice of course um the like they wouldn't show us the scene if it went the exact way that everybody said it yeah it just at that point you kind of be boring I guess I don't know unless of course they've done like half of the family get it and half don't that could have been interesting I don't know you know what what if in the subversion if they all got their normal chair and then the letter said oh she killed me by the way deport her family immediately yeah yeah I have found the murderer because he highlights the daftly ironic selfish nature of the family did her is it selfish to want your your parents like possessions to fall to you when they've died um I guess it depends on what possessions in what ways it depends on how you I think it depends on how you frame it if you think of you know inheritance and work as part of a legacy that your parents pass it down to you you pass it down to your kids they pass it down to their kids then it's bigger than you in that sense and similarly if you get legitimate satisfaction over the idea that the the last wishes of your parents were carried out properly it depends maybe to degree absolutely but not in a bad way some examples right you could have a father and son cop into team and they've been doing it forever the dad dies and he gives it over to the sister who doesn't even live in the same country and the kids like wow that's you know and we probably like damn and and this is you know for whatever reason all like a ring that the father had and it gets passed to a to a friend just as opposed to like someone being like it's a meaningful thing there's like all these little details that we could probably find out that I think have differing degrees of what it would be to be selfish but the idea for example that Walt gets control of publishing once Harlan dies I just be like that seems seems about right I don't know well I think um is it Linda that kind of expects the family home is going to go to her yeah because she's the real estate mogul right yeah and and that's the thing where it's like presumably doesn't need the actual home to sell it for money or anything like that but it will have sentimental value I would have thought so again that's a thing that you you wouldn't necessarily say it's selfish that's just like this is a thing that has a great emotional attachment for me but like we didn't even get to do that scene where um let's say Linda someone this is like this is my house get out and it's like it's her house and then someone gets to explore with Linda like why do you feel you deserve it and then she says because it was my father's it's like and actually go into that and be like so the fact that it belonged to your father means it belongs to you you know something like that but I think this movie's not it's a little bit too comedic to to have scenes like that I think because I mean I'm just trying to be a dick but like that would make the characters properly three dimensional at that point like have her explore why does she feel she she she is owed this yeah and it doesn't add there's no reason for that to be portrayed in a malicious manner I think it's more interesting if it's you know if there's a lot if there's a lot of different aspects to it like we were talking about earlier which I don't think Ryan would have Ryan would have her be cartoonishly bad yeah I'm picturing Ryan's scene as it belongs to me and it's like why because it was my father's and it becomes mine when he dies and it's like why because that's how it works like that's what she'd say and he'd be lame we'd be like all right well she wasn't told about this for more than five seconds but okay Harlan tell you he was gonna cut you out of the will maybe this might finally make you grow up I leave in their entirety to Marta Cabrera yeah obviously I don't see this as unreasonable they're all fucking panicking all of their plans and their positions have all just been completely blown up and this is what this one person who has everything and they all want to ask her questions I don't think this makes them evil people just saying like no I think yeah you would definitely want to speak to her and be like okay we need to clarify a few things about her this is it was of course um Walt is probably the the smartest out of all of them in terms of approaching her um and second up would be Meg trying the call because the second Meg called her in the in the restaurant I was like are we doing is she gonna the call will turn you know it'll go from being like hey you okay how you doing too if you remember she says I think you should do whatever you think is best with the money and then she like even by sentences immediately goes I think you should give it back to us but again the real actual reason for why this is such a fantastic deserving twist is because it raises the stakes of the movie's entire second half by an astronomical amount raises the stakes by having hair have the inheritance um I suppose you could I would argue that you might be right in terms of it now puts them all she's on their radar when she actually did something wrong too it gives a reason especially with the clause they mentioned about you know the wrongful death was caused by her um yeah that absolutely raises the stakes because now she has people who they would have a reason to if not discover the truth frame the truth in a certain way yeah frame her well this is kind of an oversight by uh by the fuck I I'm bad with the names uh the guy who died uh Harlan Harlan yeah like you had like this whole crazy idea how she gets out of this but you didn't think about that it's kind of weird she gets all the money right the day after he dies yeah you'd think you would have told her about that he's like oh by the way they couldn't fucking I kind of oh man this is gonna be a surprise to you Marta you're about to become like a billionaire or some shit it's like oh yeah some of my kids will be your employees I'm sure this won't destroy your life like it does to all the yeah okay bye Marta suddenly has a motive to have murdered Harlan now the family members want to investigate his death as a murder no um where he says she suddenly has a motive to kill Harlan that's um not true that would have seemed that she knew beforehand yeah because didn't didn't the the guys say that no one has seen the whole point was like it hasn't been officialized yet like no one seen it yet it's a sealed thing that was sent directly to him so nobody would actually know about this yet yeah even the lawyer hasn't seen it so I suppose you could argue that the characters assume that he told her yeah but it does actually come up I mean we can assume it well I think it's fair to interfere something like that yeah I think they would they would certainly try and rationalize that as why they would because they wouldn't see their own faults they would see that she has somehow gone out of her way to manipulate him and that's why they're not getting an inheritance that they're expecting that they're want oh and someone just brought ransom new yeah so there's precedent that Harlan may have told her if he's told ransom right like he could have told anybody Marta and her illegal immigrant family are in much more danger of being found out in other words the obstacles Marta is facing grow to become much well I don't know if they're good or bad people we see them once right after the thing he drops I think yeah I don't have any issue at all with her mom being deported so for me it just doesn't thing with the family it's like yeah that's not an issue I care about right now plus I mean I don't know the the workings of this but like if this was discovered would they just be instantly deported or would there not be some kind of process where they could appeal and and all the rest of it like if they've been living in the States for a long time I don't know I don't know myself Archer an insurmountable which is always what you want to do as opposed to reducing them then we have another twist of ransom tricking Marta into revealing that no no not a trick she can leave yeah yeah she can leave she doesn't because I have no idea why but um wait I want to I do I do want to put this to bed I'm done with this being considered a cool clever move okay I think even I kind of drinker actually said that earlier I refuse now I'm angry okay it wasn't so much that I thought it was clever it was more just like oh it made me chuckle the way it was yeah it's just that the threat is as powerful with or without the bill because she could leave in both scenarios so I've just sitting there like I don't it's it's meh like saying he's like ah you outsmarted it's like no and I love the idea by the way that it's like oh he could like keep it there and then force it to answer it it's just like they're at a public restaurant good luck with that it's gonna fucking yeah I mean I think I at the very least he could get one answer out of her by just her lack of answers you know if he says like do you know who killed Harlan um and she just gets up and leaves and says no I'm not I'm not talking to you it's like okay well yeah the fact that she's refusing to answer tells me that like she probably does know what what are you gonna do with that I'm just boob that's not an answer there's no time it was me me you know well but say theoretically she tries to leave then they are in his car so she's got nowhere she can go she could I mean he could follow her outside and force her into his car and then drive away no there's there's people all over in the restaurant yeah she can just stay in the house the restaurant for the phone call the taxi she'll be fine potentially it leaves that proves she's guilty wouldn't it no not at all it would give him he would he would suspect that he's just trying to find out things then it would tell him that she knows something and you know I suppose he's trying to figure out what went wrong with his plan how was she involved with how his plan apparently didn't work because he wants her to explain everything so he can generate a new plan his new plan being the um implicating her hardcore because now he knows about the like how everything went down but again he only has suspicions because from his point of view she went in with faulty vials and somehow Harlan slips his own throat but with his story his story everything now is clear to him when I just like I just don't think she had any fucking reason to tell him the entire story was kind of insane and the film tries to tell us well she did it because she did she can't lie it's like that's not an answer yeah she could have just not said anything could have left especially with what she knows is on the line is apparently this piece of social awkwardness wasn't this was worse than all of the potential bad things that would happen in her life into her family I guess I guess yeah is it then just trying to frame her as being kind of naive and innocent and wanting someone to help her and she's almost like desperate for someone to you know give her some guidance on this or to confide in someone about it I would actually happen that's probably the way they should have gone but instead the film is like uh oh she's cornered and he's just argued that he tricked her like yeah I feel like this is a aggressive move that was if I was in Marta's position I'd be like no fuck yeah he's just threatened you essentially he's like if you lie to me you will throw up thanks to the meal that I've just made sure that you've eaten it's like damn this seems shady shit and again I just I want to see the vision where she goes yeah okay I'm gonna leave now but oh well the truth which works great because it locks Marta into this mess for the rest of the move no it doesn't no by taking away her chance to just get out of trouble by renouncing the inheritance and it also keeps her innocent in the audience's eyes as opposed to her seeming to turn greedy and then and then and then you get the idea the reasons of burning expectations like each of the things that he showed me on his and then and then and then yeah let's go back to those to her seeming to turn greedy and then and then and then so we got the I know what you did we've been over the um the toxicology report and the bluff so throwing um the molotov if you will modified molotov whatever into the building burning it I don't see how that erases permanent records that may or may not even be fucking stored in that building melting a camera does not erase the camera's recordings that's not how it works and plus there's the aspect of them being spotted here by the police and the detective in what an insane coincidence that they should just show up here where the toxicology reports were stored I'd love to live in I'd love if ryan johnson's view of the world was actually real where like you know records are only ever stored in one specific building that you know they're created in just like a computer breaks my steam account is destroyed cameras only record things onto their own like a little USB inside the camera yeah at the end of the day the security guys they get they get a step ladder they go up to each security camera they pop it off the wall and then they take it back to their office and yeah apparently your redundancy is not a thing in this universe as well yeah no no redundancy it's not in 2018 this is the thing they might have been able to have some leeway if this was set in like the fucking 70s maybe even earlier security they had at their house um but Zach Gilbert said the super chat marriage proposal said yes oh that's very very good that's fantastic yeah congratulations I don't know what confirmation we have other than that but yay if true well it's the um it's the man who uh it's an it's an rage table who sent a super chat he said that she did indeed uh say yes yay he said hi efap I'm the guy who made pickles bread lasagna masks with his fiance I think we might have misunderstood that originally in thinking that he made masks out of pickles bread and lasagna which was very very strange and said he made pickles bread lasagna and also masks with his fiance much more normal I'll say um he said if he can't tell she said yes sorry I couldn't answer right away I wasn't done making the ring I carved it out of marble wow um yeah that is legitimately impressive uh very creates a lot of sentimental value for it absolutely uh thank you all for your support stay long uh we shall indeed and congratulations again with that that's very good so we had our first uh accepted marriage proposal here on efap historic first uh so we need our first rejection uh as well to balance everything out because all things should be so uh we need we need someone to actually propose with a super chat oh that's what happened I think that's what happened yeah yeah really yeah like actually he used to use the function of a super chat in order to propose I think so indeed and he did on uh on our on all efap on every frame of pause we might be destroying art but we are creating relationships hopefully last a life bringing people together and these relationships create artwork being rings out of marble so haha we're resurrecting art too and if you watch our stream then you will know um what movies not to watch on your honeymoon speaking of which um so yeah we've done so we've done the first image the second image now the third image oh boy also in the second image this is what kicks off a high speed car chase with the police there are no repercussions for um smarter for so the third image we have um for chat to make sure we got this right because we we kind of we did talk about this earlier a little bit but the maid saw ransom I'm not I we should probably cover that to have stupid and unlucky well convenient all of that is ransom wanted to switch the vials back or at least uh take the take the liquid from the one out and put it back in the one it was supposed to be to do that he needs no one to be in the house because otherwise it'll be suspiciousisms and so they're all at the funeral and that's when he decides to do it he comes in goes upstairs does the switch leaves unfortunately for him when he arrived all the noise he would have made by entering the house moving upstairs the maid was in the house and she didn't actually ask like what's he doing there hey who is that hey ransom what's up none of that she happened to miss him up until he went in the room that she was right next to and then she peered in and saw him tampering and said nothing um and also before you go any further recall that this all relies on the bag of medical supplies next to the dead man who'd been taking uh medicine uh for whom a toxicology report had been taken it relies on that still being in the room and not being taken for evidence even though there's evidence tape there's a crime scene still and they didn't remove the the medicine is fascinating to me um and also this relies on for some reason the maid not being at the funeral i think that she yep she wasn't invited either um so fuck her i guess so the maze decides because she's kind of an ass that she wants to get some money out of this instead of just reporting it and so she needs to prove that ransom has done something so she thinks cleverly i'll get the toxicology report it'll prove you tampered with the medicine but how do i do that aha i'm lucky i have a sister who works in the place that they do it that's real by the way well that was lucky yep that's just that's some excellent writing just on top of everything else this movie is a fucking disaster by the way i don't know if we we can start saying that now i think we've we've talked a lot about his problems um so yeah so she gets the the report she finds that it's blank or and so she's like fuck how do i prove that ransom has done shit i can threaten that i have it and so she does and she leaves uh the information out she shows him the header and from her perspective sorry so my question is if she had access to the report she knew that the body was clean yes so her impression after looking at the toxicology report seeing that it was clean and he wasn't killed by anything related to medicines or his bag of you know drugs she still thinks that he's a bad guy for trying to kill him yep just purely based on seeing him trying to switch the vials around yep she well i don't even know if that only assumes well yeah i she can only i can only assume that her logic was just he must have done something and he is trying to cover it up i think that's what they're going for because when she sees him she goes i knew it which is not something you'd say if you knew it right like you actually know he did it instead she's she thinks that him showing up is proof that his bluff was correct like she got him with the bluff she's like i got you on this report and he was like okay you got me and she's like haha i didn't actually but the fact that you're here means that you did do it which is all the thing is that so i guess if we were gonna be generous we can assume that she got the tox uh toxology report and didn't understand what it meant no i'm pretty sure she saw it was blank i'm almost in that was the case and that she just tried to bluff him and it worked but i don't she was way too stupid to realize what would happen if the bluff worked yeah she luckily did the irrational thing and it which is oh the body's cleared apparently nothing was messed around with the vials i i guess it's weird that he was looking through the bag maybe he's trying to find answers himself i mean he is a member of the family i mean he didn't go to the funeral maybe he's distraught he's all these other things that make more sense instead of despite the clean talks report i still believe that he poisoned him and this is the thing she should probably assume that he would know that it's blank because if if she thinks he did something to help murder harlan then surely he would have the information on on brain it's a really weird move from her but moving forward her goal is to get money out of him and so she wants to meet him in the in the image you can see on screen is this dark room she wants to meet him there and i guess blackmail him like i know what you did and i'll reveal it to the world if you don't give me money oh what does she expect he's going to be able to give her because he's been cut out of the will he does um express he's got some money right now right of some kind because he says he has access to amazing lawyers despite not having any inheritance do you remember that he's like i got great lawyers and i'm gonna come after you and it's like oh okay i thought the whole thing was that he would be in financial trouble if he didn't get any money that's what i thought too i'm gonna have to rewatch the fucking movie to find that out because he was kind of cruising you know on easy mode yeah i thought he was just kind of a spoiled playboy and maybe he got in a certain amount of money as an allowance or something from harlan or yeah over time um well the way he was going to be cut out of the will so yeah like he maybe had something but not not much that could change your life fran sucks because like not only does she know not know if she could even get this buddy she's just put it all on the table to get that buddy she wants that fucking buddy she's not going to try and just you know report him anyway he just walks up to her and chloroforms her that's it and she is really funny the way they film it she's like i knew you were involved i knew it you're a piece of she is oh god don't it's like yeah what she shows up alone to an abandoned building with no witnesses with the intention of confronting a person that she believes is a murderer and she knows that this person will know that she is blackmailing him and then she's shocked that he attacks her i want to repeat this she goes with no weapon she doesn't use any recording device to no wonder who she's there no one knows she's there so yeah i i said this on uh drink history most want to repeat it so she did the the there's two things you do when you're doing like a deal it's super super public so that you can't be killed or super far away and remote so that there's no chance you can be caught and she went for the worst of both worlds where it's secluded area that no one can quite get you but it's about five seconds away from real human beings that are already around it's just like yeah wow yeah this is the kind of thing where i'd want to meet up in a public place a restaurant right want to bring yeah and what would you have done if she had gone or something he didn't know that he didn't know that's why the that she was going to organize it this way would he have turned up if she had said you know the same fucking cafe that you know whatever a public place what would he do then because this was all part of his plan wasn't it like before he even got to fran this is what he was going to do is he already had he already he already sent yeah because he'd already sent the thing to uh marty right yeah he needed to get that set up in advance because she had to know about it so she could get there he chloroforms marty sorry fran and doses her up with you just assumed that he could do all of that yeah so bad which he does and he fucks up poisoning her so good job there he or he in it he inexplicably doesn't kill her there the dose that he gives to her even though he knows that the dose that was given to because remember he orchestrated in his idea or in his mind his plan was to um poison harlan with uh morphine so he he knows what will kill a person why he didn't give that to her i don't know but so so i guess that leaves her alive long enough to have fran bump into her yeah because he's a he's aware of the lifesaving drug and if anyone saves fran she'll implicate him yeah but he also seems to give her absolutely no reason for him to leave while she was still alive he could have chloroformed her and then just smothered her or something and just made sure she was dead and for reference um because it is in the film she finds fran two hours after the injection um and the injection looks to be the full vial which i is something like 300 milliliters uh i think 100 mil is a full vial i think it changes we looked it up i forgot oh well what i'll do is i could i could check and look at the i'll check while you guys but yeah i was about to point that out too because especially now that we have those three pictures side by side which is chronologically correct how it happens in the movie because i think on the left is this rent remson or is this martha's hand that's martha because she it's on a table yeah yeah but what she picks i think she picked him up with her car they drive to the toxicological center thingy i still can't say that word because i'm started uh then right after that they get into the chase which was just probably like 15 minutes long i would say in movie time probably yeah how he is labeled then they get caught yeah ransom was incredibly lucky that she was able to show up to that yeah appointment incredibly lucky then she somehow convinces derrick craig to pick something up she walks right through a public thing to the back no one cares by the way but that's the whole yeah no one gives a shit and she goes in here finds friend who's for some reason not dead yet so we found we later find out what happens and when you line all these up this makes no sense time wise like there's no way this happens um like i said the film argues it's two hours between him injecting her and martha arriving at this scene so that means we had to have driven back home martha arrives straight away and then he drives with her then the police thing happens and then she goes to this area and that happens in two hours which is feasible my my issue is the friend should be dead yeah that's the thing we're basically well do i say it we're picking our poison here on which one of the errors in the film are because either way no matter how you slice it there's going to be a huge issue with how this plays out it's just a whether or not it's a film mistake or whether or not inexplicably chris evans just doesn't kill her when he needs to have her dead and he just decides not to uh it's just a matter of which errors you want and yeah pretty bad pretty bad then you get the idea the reasons of wording expectations work so great in knives out is because unlike in the last jedi the subversions aren't there just for the sake of being there they're there because they always elevate and escalate the narrative and characters in a way that makes things more well like in an emotional way but not in a way that makes any logical sense i agree with him but i feel we are missing another portion of this where he's like two types of subversion one that cranks the stakes one that does fuck off the stakes and i'm like which one do you want i'm like oh crank please and he's like cool we did it and i'm like oh no no no wait because the other category that i think we need to include is makes sense and doesn't make sense i would like to have the one that makes sense if possible yeah and you can have both um a subversion that cranks up the emotion that does and doesn't make sense and vice versa you can have a subversion that lowers the stakes but also can or cannot make sense so you have like four different options here i was gonna have the one that cranks up the emotion while making sense because it's yeah it's a little bit complicated because obviously the one that people will often reference is departed a big big subversion happens toward the end of that film that is quite a like fucking hell wow you just did that but um it you know if someone said like would you say it raises or lowers the stakes when that happens i'd be like i guess it lowers the stakes um because a certain person that was going to be implicated pretty hardcore can now escape um and so so like the danger for them is going down rather than up and yet it's still incredibly engaging i would argue so you know it's all very complicated and i just as we usually stick to we can assess why it works that's the thing we can make cases for why it works when people talk about themes or severe expectations or different genre elements stuff it's like every single thing you bring up all of it sits upon the throne of does it make sense it can't escape that it's impossible or difficult and thus powerful another core issue with episode eight is that despite the movie being told from the perspectives of multiple different main heroes it's very clear that ryan johnson only had interest in one of them which made the others into redundant side shows that serve no purpose to the overall plot uh um i would agree with that actually i don't know that i agree with that i don't know yeah because with all the work that goes into kanto by and the plot with leia and holdo and might help host well then i isn't that fit and they do nothing it's how ganked and bonked that the whole journey's are because the fin journey is that he's not fighting for the resistance he just wants to get re but by the end of the film he fully believes in the resistance that's like his arc and pose is he needs to stop being reckless and start being a smart leader like that's what i was doing with those characters but then the bulk of the action which actually takes place like in fin's story arc it's really rose who's driving most of that so that would i would support the the view that's uh ryan johnson didn't really have much interest in fin as a character he was more interested in rose i think i think the argument he just made was that ryan was interested in re more than anyone no i know but that like i guess like out of those three main characters that he he referenced there like you know fin re and po re was the only one out of that those three that he cared about but i think he cared about his original creation of um rose and i think he cared he cared about holdo to a degree and that's why they became the focus of their you know their you know elements of the plot i mean they're definitely uh sideline slash like botched in a in a almost i couldn't be asked to make it better way compared to re i guess well that this is ryan johnson so being able to assess his level of care for these things based on what we actually see is really difficult to get a finger it is tough because i could totally believe if ryan johnson came to me and he said the kanto bite sequence with fin i i really did care about it i spent a lot of money and a lot of time getting all these props and costumes and CGI and effects all together to tell this part of a story that had this emotional payoff with the fucking space horses yeah and i would totally believe him oh yeah like he but i i think he cared about that i just don't think he cared about fin's element of it i think it's i think it's intertwined with fin's character from the perspective of if you're ryan and you're making all of these story threads that have to have fin in it and tell messages about what fin learns regardless of how bad they are he decided to use these as the the method to convey that that theme because like i don't actually want to take anything away from ryan in the aspect of i'm pretty sure he did exactly like he worked hard to get the thing he wanted i'm almost certain tlj is exactly as he wanted it yeah i cared about all of it just convinced that it was good yeah he's just got an interesting point of view on on stuff because as i played in the um in tfa part three his his fundamental advice is to find your voice and go forward which um a lot of you might be thinking wait you have a problem with that it's like yeah because it's useless advice pretty much anybody would tell you that nobody's gonna tell you okay you need to do everything the way that everyone tells you is the right way never do anything the way that you would like to do it so it's confused it's confusing general advice you what you want is stuff that's a lot more specific yeah i mean it's good up to the point where your voice stops telling you good things let's say if your voice is telling you to do really stupid things then you shouldn't listen to it like yeah this is this is why when we ask like could could disney make a really good star wars movie that's legitimately good as you know a new hope or empire strikes back and we kind of say it's if they do it's coincidence because they wouldn't be able to recognize quality if they even made it they they seem like the kind of people who would stumble into making something good yeah um i think ryan johnson's the same way when it comes to writing and i think that people might even want to point out it's like what you guys are saying that you would never say that there's rules you have to adhere to and i'd be like no so like in concept your ideas go nuts whatever you have in your head you're like oh i want to do this this this is it but the second you're like i want to have my main character be a cop i'd be like right stop right there so the fact that they're a cop now means that they're going to have a set of information and tactics and abilities you need to go find out what they are where's your cop based assuming this is in real life like there's loads of stuff that comes it's like no no no my cop is just like whatever i want you're like no that's you can't that's not how it works and it's like i'm gonna have doctors and they're gonna be able to save people from blood loss with cpr you're like no no there are rules that you're engaging with for your own benefit and you ignore the parts that have to come with them like they're intrinsically tied you can't just run away um of course you get to bend this shit with sci-fi you're like because you can just invent your own thing it's like it's not a medic he's not a medic he's a he's a you know um he's a you know made up word and uh you then establish yourself what these these preachers factions whatever they have as rules and so yeah i guess that's what i'm saying it's like be free but then also if you want to start appealing to certain ideas you need to go fucking read up on them and how they work because we've only ever espoused to have basic understandings of a lot of different things that are used but apparently that's leagues ahead of shows like batwoman or um tlj in terms of understanding just how like even physics it's just like damn basic understanding of physics destroys a lot of these uh these properties which isn't something i expect to say like go ahead and do whatever you want you might want to adhere to gravity and if not then your film better be about why there isn't any fucking gravity okay well yeah if uh if you appeal to real life but then you also want to break the rules that come with real life then you just need to provide us context for it simple as that yeah especially if it's something very at the core of normal life like you just everything is the same and then you have a character who's 740 and you're like what the fuck and then you know at one point they just like no this world is exactly the same except someone invented you know an immortality drug you're like oh okay and then it would be funny if they were like shouldn't the world be very different if immortality is a thing now and it's like no it only got started like a week ago would you like how was he 700 foot this is why you'd redraft redraft redraft redraft everybody do it post spends most of the movie on the slowly escaping resistance ship where he accomplishes nothing slowly escaping no they weren't escaping and accomplishes nothing no i would actually argue he he is i mean this this it's very complicated the whole thing is a fucking mess whatever i think back to it like do you remember i think it was major lee who said why do you care that he started a mutiny when it didn't go anywhere oh it's like why do you what like why are you using it as a point of criticism when the mutiny doesn't even go anywhere it's like wow like because things can be boiled down very simply into just whether or not it had a tangible effect on the end of the plot what happens in the middle fuck it doesn't matter if if hold though would have reached into her general dress and reached into her pocket and pulled out a magical pixie and it granted her three wishes and she wished for coke and two bags of chips and that was all that happened in the plot played out and i was like why would we ever criticize that and it didn't affect the plot you know it's funny that we do often argue from consequence when it comes to like insane fucking plot holes or queens coincidence of convenience and stuff and they'd be like so that would be okay i'd be like no it establishes that she could have wished for anything and she got a bag of chips what the fuck coke and two bags of chips i hope you better hang there enjoy it so yeah the fact that a mutiny was conducted by a captain this is like well it didn't go anywhere it's like guys we need to discuss this shit she nearly got everyone killed like it's insane a lot of stuff happened on that ship in what people do how they do things in their thought process behind what they do that informs their characters and that allows us to make assessments on what they might do in the future even if the plot plays out the same how characters act and behave very important go on this epic journey to this las vegas planet which carries absolutely no significance or consequences to the rest of the main events whatsoever so i mean someone will probably argue again i'm trying to pretend to be someone who likes tlj or at least they would be like so the purpose of kanto bite was to be like look at the repercussions of allowing something like the first order to reign which by the way it's actually the republic that allowed the fucking kanto bite and people to exist anyway so it doesn't really make sense but it's part it it's all a part of what encourages finn to become you know a a resistance almost zealot i would say uh he's like i'm gonna fucking first order fuck you and then rose is like no no you're going too far you don't kill yourself trying to kill people just just just love people like me and then don't kill yourself trying to save what you love yeah like i think kanto bite was fucking waste of time but people would argue that it's it's it's on theme for uh how we need to we need to stop fascism fascism bared because they run casinos also capitalism the the exchange of goods for well money for for weapons like weapons market it's all very immoral and illegal and bad and we shouldn't do it well not illegal obviously but not in that universe nor now well it's all it's all very rushed and it's making many points at once um and a lot of people come away from kanto bite wanting it to end like that's it's it's almost like it has a checklist of things that it needs to cover and it does it as quickly and efficiently as possible i can imagine it would be really funny if the the fledgling republic or whatever well now they've been around for a long time to this point they've been around for 30 years so you got the new the new republic and they're like hey man kanto bite they're getting really really rich they're building these big old casinos and they're living in luxury so it was like hey isn't that where we buy our x-wings from i'm like yeah but we only bought like 12 i wonder how it's like they it's like for there it's like they've sold an army's worth of spaceships man that's really weird i wonder that's probably nothing don't worry about it the emperor was fully aware of the first order do you think he was like he was doing his conjuring tisms and having his army of zealots create these amazing death star destroyers and then you know there's like first order you can just buy from the casino people they'll they'll sort you out like i'm it's like hey could you spare us one of those you know galaxy trotting death lasers he's like no you're fine you'll you'll you'll i mean that that has totally economic usages and think of the jobs it created and when it comes to paying for this my my snook clone will pick up the tab don't worry i'm sure they can conjure money like why not this they can do anything much so that they could have just got the whole thing out and half fin and row simply goes to render to the first order and the movie would have played out the exact same way overall the last Jedi is like a big puzzle where there's a bunch of stranded leftover pieces that fit nowhere which as we found out isn't very rewarding no i'm fine with that part that that scene was totally fine yeah i don't really care about brew boy yeah i'm fine with the idea that random people have the force i mean we kind of knew that already but it's nice i guess that i don't know maybe this kid will grow up and he'll get Jedi training and maybe hill's future will be way better than the futures of all of these carry him he'll probably call himself a skywalker too yeah i know he'll think it's a Jedi tradition once you become a Jedi and you graduate Jedi school everyone's skywalker you become a skywalker no wait no we hate the Jedi they just started a new cult thing called the skywalkers it's this and it's just oh yeah that's right your skywalkers name is tarnished because of his failure with the Jedi temple and everything like that now yeah now the Jedi's name is pretty bad right now because people didn't even like know the Jedi were real 30 years after one of them saved the galaxy so whatever they just don't call themselves palpatine easier so someone like randomly names themselves actually it's a cool day and Ray's like no fucking no it's disgusting way knives out is also a narrative made up of multiple different perspectives and characters with their own individual actions but the difference is that this time johnson seems to have understood that each and every perspective and individual action has to directly affect and build up that one core entirety that makes this movie i feel like it'd be fucking hard pressed to to argue every single action comes to like one you know all of it was for a reason yeah like what we were saying earlier i think this character has or this movie has more characters than it should it better to have fewer characters that are really more fleshed out and well that i could believe are you know the killers and we could have spent a lot more time with them couldn't we yeah that's the thing you we could learn more of their traits we could learn more of their motivations their motivations could have a lot more you know information that goes that goes behind them that we could learn about and discover and help us connect with them and you know it'll give us a lot more stakes and investment and who it could be you're on this council but we do not grant you the rag of skywalker may spill what it is for example the opening section is dedicated to the main family members giving their own recounts of the evening before the murder which introduces the characters as well as the situation itself okay um and your son ransom did he attend as well yes but he left early i'm gonna feel like this is going on for a little bit i gotta pause just to be careful never know i'm assuming he got right yeah i like that fucking windows xp laptop by the way i could believe that a boomer in 2018 is he's held on to his laptop that he bought i could totally believe that it's quite funny because they have vhs tapes for security and he uses windows xp oh my god it's a theme boomer technology that's none of your business i know my daughter and she would want to know dad are you firing me so like i didn't think this was clever when i saw it i was like wow we are rushing out the motivations aren't we yeah all the all these motivations are coming together and being revealed kind of like all condensed into this one night when they're all together and then the murder happens and yeah well that's funny it feels um really contrived at that point in the film but you realize it's not not quite as contrived because the whole point is that he wants to cut them all off tonight and that's why he's brought them all there and that's what motivates ransom to kill him so it's like okay so that does follow along that we would have all of these scenes in the party it's just that at this point in the film you're like all right who's next then and what else have we got for motivations i guess this is how we're doing it like it's it's a bit over it because if someone was like what do you think the motivation is like well i mean it's it's pretty much spelled out well if you're a ransom and you want to kill this guy is now the time to do it well everyone's here doesn't even make sense to kill him when oh wait yeah because he needs to frame the nurse that's the big goal in it i assume he feels that uh this is his only shot of doing that maybe um maybe it's just like man what a time with all these people around and everything not not when i would have done it maybe that helps in some you could argue that multiple motivations floating around helps you know mystify the the possibilities that it was even him i don't know but i mean something like this yeah i mean the nurse is always going to be with him like every single day like she has to tend to him and so you could frame her at any point that you want and surely something like this would in any other respect take quite a bit of planning and preparation and that's not the sort of thing you would do on the spur of the moment when emotions are running high you would have to go away and think about how you're gonna do it it's kind of nuts that he's like right then i'm gonna kill you and i'm gonna frame your nurse it's like damn dude i'm gonna do it tonight because people think i've left because i've i've driven past the security i guess ransom knew the security cameras pretty well because he knew to drive past the thing it's like yeah i mean it's not impossible he would know that i just don't think we have any reason to think he would know that yeah it's a it's a strange thing to know and not only know but devote to memory yeah because i mean to be honest with you i'm not even sure that i think the holland would know i guess he was pretty concerned about his security it's fine it's just interesting i don't think anyone who keeps their stuff on vhs this is really that it's 2018 is really bad interested in their security i don't know vhs in 2018 like damn dude we'll talk details tomorrow tuition check but you must know that this is the last money you again i don't like i said i just don't whatever it's fine yeah and get from me there's also the fact that all of these motivations are established when the these people like all of these people know like like joe i said joe joney when she was what an odd name when she was there she would she knew that he knew and would you know maybe tell people about it or he would it's just it's weird that they would jump to oh i gotta kill him and that'll make this go away yeah i don't know we need more time to explore these motivations so that they're more sense well and finally it's like what is linda's motivation we didn't get one yeah this is the last money you or meg will get from me the reason each and every individual recount we hear is so important and necessary is because they always either establish crucial elements leading up to the murder or they establish motives for the characters to have committed that murder what doesn't happen is one family member sitting down to explain about a random time they took a trip to vegas which does yeah i mean that's a really weird way to frame that yeah yeah that's odd like he's he's saying that um if knives out had had someone explain uh you know something irrelevant it would have been on the same level as tlj but like there are other issues with kanto bite beyond did we like like i said there is actually a design with kanto bite from ryan johnson there's a reason he put it in it wasn't for no reason no reason no reason it's just that um yeah of course we do learn about rose we do learn about finn and his is strange just now learning that good neveler like that you know i'm actually like this feels i'm kind of like defending kanto bite and it feels disgusting so please like well that's one of my traits as i throw up whenever someone defends kanto bite it does feel like it was pointless but if you know because i remember my section on kanto bite and the tlj critique was like it was just point point point because there's so much going on in kanto bite that was insanely stupid yeah but you could ask ryan johnson what he was trying to do and he'd go on a huge diet tribe i'm sure about all the reasons and the stuff and the things and when he tried to accomplish and what he did with the characters and how he did blah blah blah blah he'd go on and on yeah there was purpose to kanto bite and i would i would argue the most significant element of kanto bite was uh it for finn's journey right and again i'm getting ill saying this he goes from being like wide eyed about how awesome kanto bite is than realizing the underbelly and the way that it the way that it functions is off other people's suffering and it's perpetuated by war and then he's told there are no good guys there are no bad guys don't join the fight which i guess bolsters him into thinking that there are good guys when he fights phasma he's like a first order definitely the bad guys and he almost kills himself trying to defeat them and rose teaches him the ultimate lesson which is your goal should be to protect who you love not attack who you hate that's that that's like the finn through line and it is garbage but it is there it is there doesn't connect to the murder whatsoever because that would be a pointless waste of time i know that's just one example but if you watch the movie you'll notice that it's the same thing with pretty much everything from beginning to end the reason martha accidentally breaks the scaffolding is so that it can return as crucial incriminating evidence well yeah that's well yeah i thought it way so he's doing what we would do but in a positive way by starting with the event and ending with how it transpired what we would do is be like wait how did that turn up as evidence oh because she just she just broke it off i guess it's like huh wow that's unlucky especially when chris evans did it without having a break but he's clearly heavier than her i guess he climbed better all right i guess he loosened it for her also doesn't the dog just carry it from i don't know somewhere on the lawn well so the question becomes why did the dog give it to them now rather than in the entire week exactly like where did the dog get it from because it should have been just right there like it had yeah moved yeah yeah the dog took that time to give it to her you'd think she would have pocketed it yeah or checked it in the woods or something yeah i mean she clearly would have remembered breaking it so and there's no way to put me back up there so you may as well just take it so that's less clues but you know yeah and the dog just straight up gives it to daniel craig yep because this film is so well written here you go he's later on the reason ransom pours his heart out to marda is not only so that he can manipulate her but also to store up his motivations for later on the i think the manipulation in that scene wasn't him pouring out his heart it was him trying to use her extremely strange trait in order to get her to incriminate herself which she does inexplicably and what he you could call manipulation is he tries to explain to marda his motivation to screw over his family and take his portion of the inheritance while she gets the rest that's his goal to convince him that that's what he wants when in reality he probably wants the whole thing for himself or for just the family but even so i don't see how that's like what's impressive about that i don't know this just seems normal but yeah how is that mechanically different than um waltz going to her house and you know insinuating that she needs to play ball i mean really what what's the difference between those two in terms of you know what was also i'm not sure like it was an interesting turn of phrase i guess but he said store up his motivations i'm not sure what he means whether do you mean shore up as in reinforced yeah maybe i'm just guessing maybe he's just crucial incriminating evidence later on the reason ransom pours his heart out to marda is not only so that he can manipulate her but also to store up his motivations for later on the reason why i i guess if you store still works as as if you are yeah like you have like figuratively you have motivations and you're adding to them like you would store something you're adding to a stockpile of it in a sense but it sounds like he's so he's going to use them for later well he's just building up a supply or he's protecting his motivations i don't know no he's just i think he just means he's adding to his okay and carlin play a board game is so that it can be used to progress not only the plot but also the characters pushing that plot further later on if yeah the go board actually has a lot of relevance to the the film is like three significant sort of aspects the the whole daniel craig says it was so weird that um ransom changed the conversation to how he gets beaten at go that like that clues him on to ransom being uh motivated by wanting to win or something then of course you have the um playing to win versus playing to you know be a good person just being nice being happy and then of course the uses it as an excuse for the thump uh on the on the roof which you'd think would have been so amazing that even when she doesn't want to win she still wins oh yeah i think that's the part of the theme of the film is that be a good person and things just work out anyway because you're a good person yeah so you can take that less than enough yeah i was gonna say yeah like that's a real life sign up for that local chest tournament and uh let me know how that works out um though i just thought something wouldn't be um the thump from when marty fell over um it it alerted if you remember uh joanie and then they're like linda was woken up three times from three people uh rising up the stairs wouldn't the thump have woken up linda as well uh it depends where her bedroom is located and i don't know if she's just happens to be right underneath the stairs and that's what wakes her up maybe yeah because they say she's a light sleeper so yeah the thump would get her and also logistically if she's under the stairs then she would be under harland's room because it doesn't let go up and then up again and he's in the attic room yeah i'm not sure what this or geometry of the room is yeah that could i could be wrong about i still think about it well i'm willing to bet i'm wrong about it but we could uh we could check it out every scene every moment every character choice and action it always serves a clear purpose in the grand scheme of things i would argue that tlj is every choice in tlj is clearly serving a purpose it's just that it's botched and i would argue the same for this film for each and every what there's always a why on place to keep your uh yeah so so for anybody who doesn't know the idea here is that uh the maid keeps a weed stash in a clock and then the characters say well who's gonna check a clock like that's why she does it and then uh that she's later on she tries to give a clue as to where the toxicology report is and it turns out it's in her weed stash i think she uses the the word stash when she's gargling tisms which we we need to bring that up to if this video doesn't bring it up we will the um the the the the maid's choice of words upon death oh yeah basically told me where it was i mean yeah the uh so he picks up the ball because he's he doesn't like harlan and he's now protected the affair and he throws it out which is the only part of that that you can really be like would that happen and yeah but then he throws it out and of course um it is picked up by benoît blanc by happenstance and then it is replaced like he throws it to fetch with the dog the dog has it and then linda finds it with the dog linda puts it back in the office and then she finds the note that's probably something by the way willing to the dog returns the piece of the lattice that broke off the dog does not fetch the ball well in fairness the ball goes out the window and blanc picks it up straight away and then blanc throws it for the dog once he sees the dog oh yeah okay yeah yeah i guess when she finds the ball later it's like chewed up and stuff yeah the dog's been fucking with her and she's like wait what the fuck this is harlan's ball this shouldn't be you know and she puts it back and then she finds the letter so to be honest with you that's probably that's probably the best thing that happens in the movie in terms of writing yeah timeline wise kind of all meshes it's just the weird the weird dog lattice give to the detective here you go sort of man lucky that happened yeah there's things surrounding it that are like yeah there's a little stuff in there it's all you have ransom in there that's the kind of thing he says oh he didn't even mention the the the ball has a longer story than that it's what we just talked about but that's yeah oh do you really have to explain this to yes because of the blood on issue dad will create new for the beginning that she was involved which we've gone over her stupid that is that it doesn't affect his interactions with it basically at all he doesn't take advantage of that yeah this should totally change how he behaves around her especially when he believes two things she can't lie without throwing up she's directly involved in a murder so can you guys appreciate how fucking small that droplet is insane like the it just it just that i don't even know it's possible for that amount of blood to travel across the room without air resistance just stopping it you know i mean that was the only drop that went that far it was uh it was like what was to say what's to say it's not just a spot of pain or something like it could be anything yeah well he listened this is ben warblanc he has seen many a blood splatter in his long and illustrious career as he's well he could smell that it was he would recognize a bloodstain across the county what if it was her blood uphill both ways what it was just from her giving him the morphine and stuff normally there's like a thousand ways you could like there's so many and what did you know i had something to do with heartland's death oh from the first moment you set foot in front of me if martyr doesn't have blood on her shoes there is no reason for blank to keep her around and this movie doesn't work oh this is just different problems yeah i was going to why would you highlight this as a plus yeah this is a negative he shouldn't trust her ever and he should be grilling her because she has this insane convenient trait did you kill him no i don't know i uh this is the exact same argument patrick williamsett made he was like if holdo tells po the plan then we don't get a story it's like oh if megan doesn't tell the others about martyr's illegal immigrant family there is nothing they have over martyr and this movie doesn't work no they don't have to know that they could come up with all sorts of their whole goal is the slayer to try and frame her i mean the whole plot of the evil guy's motivations here for most of the film is trying to frame her yeah i was going to say we know that doesn't work they want to take advantage of the slayer clause the idea that they can we already know this doesn't work because she says she'll just fucking fight them with lawyers also this is just an indictment on this character that's all it is if walter doesn't show up to threaten to expose martyr's family there is no way for martyr to realize that she can use the fortune for that positive purpose and this movie doesn't work what is happening but because those things do happen it does work because knives out is like a two hour collection oh shit sorry i want to show you guys something i can't remember if i told you this already yay purpose and this movie doesn't work but because those things do here right when we were watching this the mug says my house my rules my coffee and uh when she's holding it while standing above the entire family all of us were like uh with the overtness um yeah when they originally shot this she had her fingers between the words um and you could see it fully and they said nah that's too obvious it's just funny to me those are CGI-ly moved fingers just so you know you could the yeah the left hand side of the coffee cup doesn't align with the bottom of itself oh yeah you could see how the yep oh yeah that is your bench did yeah the coffee cup that is a CGI protection of being too overt with your themes at least it's not on her face wait i just i just thought it was like oh is it not is it not fucking very clear i i i especially because in the scene before this you just explicitly show the coffee cup in her hands saying those things at the beginning of the scene it's like it's already obvious just commit to happen it does work because knives out is like a two hour collection of tiny individual puzzle pieces that that are all broken and spat on and ruined you shove them in all eventually fit in to form one grand empire that makes it what it is because there are no sideshow pointless points of view that's why it's rewarding that's why it works uh inclusive conclusions oh boy the third big problem with the last Jedi was that the ultimate conclusive payoffs at the end left a very bitter unsatisfied taste in the audience's mouth and even though you could say that the payoffs are bad just because of the story choices made with them i'd argue that there is a more is there any other way to reason i have payoffs oh he said he'd rather appeal to an objective reason let's do it oh my god the fact that the payoffs don't actually conclusively resolve anything when the fake code breaker betrays fin and rose for example he just vanishes off the movie without ever being dealt with in any way what is that a deal with yeah he's gone he's taking his money he's fucking off he does shit for money they gave him a price than you guys yeah i mean unless there's no revenge into him there's no revenge to get yeah there's nothing else he can do in the story either he's got no motivation to stick around like if let's say there's an episode 10 they burst into his house while he's watching tv they put guns on him and they're like we're gonna fucking fuck you up because of all the the pain you caused by selling us out and he's like i mean they're gonna kill me i don't know yeah i mean is it better that we all died instead of just you guys fucking bloated out your secretisms while you're on a phone call like yeah what did it save my life i mean what do you want me to say i should have just died there with you like that i don't know the order let him go at all like why didn't they just shoot him the moment they got the information they needed from i'm actually about to because that would be i guess the idea here is that if i'm being very generous it's that the first order is competently understanding that if they kill everybody who helps them legitimately do things then people are not gonna want to help them if they're just gonna get killed afterwards anyway if they show that they reward people who help them then people will be keen on helping them i mean i i'm willing to to say that i think that especially the situation they're in they would have just tortured them immediately they torture like everybody in force awakens right straight away for some reason they just yeah they kill a whole village yeah like i i would think they torture him however if he said yeah i'm not gonna tell you but if you offer me like a hundred thousand credits and a ship i'll tell you everything i could see them being like ah fuck it whatever we can spare it but oh really go on i would argue like wouldn't he like he tells them but he's like right whiz by ship but they're like yeah you'd think that i don't know i mean i'm fine with there gets to a point where an evil faction is so evil it's kind of silly like they're always just killing everybody and massacring everyone and stuff to where you're just like okay calm down right and then there's the like this seems like a like a maneuver that they because they have the contacts in the force awakens in the bar right that one chick so and also they have the bounty for the droid that they've sent out i guess to just bounty hunters and smugglers and people randomly that there's a reward offered for this droid and the first door is looking for him so clearly they work with you know non first order entities to get things done so in that case this seems to be consistent with that i i think my my only criticism of that choice if that's what they did is like this is a guy who successfully broke onto their their um flagship and was poised to basically destroy the tracker yeah that's right if it was a guy who offered his services to them right off the bat i'd be like oh okay well it makes sense to do business with him because he's willing to help you but this guy's only doing it because he's forced into it and he was about to fuck your entire plan up also it would be a great idea to hire him and have him fucking fix your systems to prevent people like him from breaking in yeah there's that too i like how much we're thinking about this when he's on his way and just be like all right take your money and take your ship off you go good luck man every every time it's been years and every time we talk about tlj a new issue that we haven't ever talked about every time we've peeled back just a few layers of how interested this this could be and what we got in the film which by the way this is going to double as a defense against philmento's point here the point of dj is that he's not with a faction he just goes with the flow he his his name is don't join live live free don't join something like that right dj don't join don't join the good guys or the bad guys just just be you're in the universe you're just going with it and so people are saying like well surely we need to see comeuppance for the bad guys like i think the point of tlj is making about him is he's not a bad guy he's just he's just flowing through the universe yeah maybe the point they're going for was if not that then maybe sometimes people do bad stuff and they get away with it and they win they profit from yeah which profit from doing the wrong thing which i think is a valuable thing to explore but the that would be bolstered by the way the whole don't join thing of um where's like the first order the republic burn it all it's like okay all right i think that's something that they were going for you know um yeah i don't i don't consider that like a loose a loose end i just i was just like i don't know and women people like i hope he comes back in the third and i was like why listen dj will return in avengers end game oh nice when race parents comes into the guardians in the third guardians movie they just like meet him at a place that would be hilarious if he was just in a background cameo i mean living it up he's got all that money you like i'm assuming do you remember he is in uh infinity war he's just different characters so benicio del Toro oh the client area yeah oh my god i forgot about that for a second i was i was running away with my little my my head cannon takes away he just vanishes off the movie without ever being dealt with in any way when race parents are revealed to be nobody's it's just left on kylo ren's word without ever being solidified well here's the thing if they were consistent with what ray learned from the first movie it didn't matter if it was true or not well yeah that's what that's what tlg is going for it's your parents and nobody so stop trying to derive your identity from them which again we didn't there's all there's problems that come with all of that but i don't he's like they didn't solidify it's like do you mean like show a flashback of them being nobody's what does he mean by that yeah and it's her reaction to it instead of like crying and everything what if she's like yeah well that's okay my parents don't define me i learned it from a orangyota yesterday literally so i think this is weird they can't decide whether she really cares or not how much value she places on that but yeah it i don't know i just when you've got a character with so little personality that you have to hold on to these tiny little like motivational factors like what do we know about her she wants to know her parents are okay stick with that well let's say they spend all three movies telling us where we will not find information on rey that's all we ever got like thanks just vanishes off the movie without ever being dealt with in any way when rey's parents are revealed to be nobody's it's just left on kylo ren's word without ever being solidified this is a weird criticism because most people just went with the whole um the her parents being nobody was the problem not that it wasn't solidified you know i've not really heard this one before yeah i mean i mean tlj if i was gonna because in the force or sorry in the rise of skywalker if they they could have still had her parents be important in some aspect and said oh yeah kylo was lying to you so that you would join him he was banking on the fact that they were actually nobody's yeah then again it'd be the it just it just bring up the point of why are we still talking about race pair yes um because the reason we were making her a fucking palpatine no we wanted that that's what the fans wanted oh yeah we didn't like the last Jedi so we wanted them to overcompensate in the exact opposite direction to you know you wanted instead of this scene with luke and kylo you wanted him in a mecha suit firing lightsaber grenades at every single atat that's what you wanted i want bib fortuna back i need to see what happened to bib fortuna after java got killed and he was just sitting there in the palace and no one came back he's like well okay uh i'm sure they'll be back sometime i guess i guess i'm the boss anyone here there's just a couple of like pig guards around that the red red guy feeling grief well i i i don't i don't know what what are we supposed to do they have to cobble it together what did java do java was here what would he do they'd all look up to the ceiling and you'd hear the the you know the tingling sound and it would cut away to a java doing stuff little java flashback very talk about being hot it's all revealed to be nobody's it's just left on kylo ren's word without ever being solidified when luke sacrifices himself in battle against the first order he doesn't actually resolve or change the situation in any way uh the argument that tlj people would make is that he delayed the first order so that the heroes could escape um yeah because with all of the first order's resources they they did it's nonsense like the entire place yeah it's pretty the whole film is predicated on a hyperspace tracker they escape the first order through hyperspace it's like well done and before anyone fucking says but more the tracker was on the supremacy and the supremacy was in half first of all you don't know that the the tracker is thus broken you don't actually know that secondly no it's on all the star destroyers they just only use one at a time because they're really stupid but because of the way they can turn it on well that was yeah i mean that was explained right at the beginning when it's like you can't just blow up the supremacy because it'll switch to another tracker on another ship as if they could blow it up though i know yeah when po is like oh so we blow it up like that's the thing you know yeah yeah po that's what we do we we just we just blow it up fucking hell he just allows the resistance to flee in order for them to resolve it later and even though you know i can i i can imagine po is a general he's like guys what if we just won the war everyone just looks at each other holy fucking shit that's brilliant i can see what leia sees in you balls on the middle chapter you can't live if when luke sacrifices himself in battle against the first order he doesn't actually resolve or change the situation in any way he just allows the resistance to flee in order for them to resolve it later so i would actually argue if you believe that's what happened then luke had a purpose in that scene any disagreements how are you now how you get there we'll come it doesn't mean but at least if we only think it are those points filamento believes that he delayed the first order from getting to our heroes but the lame part is that the heroes will you know they'll they'll make something of it while luke died and that's like that's lame and i just be like if you believe that's what luke did then surely you believe he served a purpose that he saved them because i don't believe that i think it's dumb i think he fucking gave himself up for no reason no reason i have this comment in chat we're talking about bib fortuna he says no bib bib uh he would remember what java would do and java would appear and says he forgives bib bib just got a fucking awkward face the whole time like what he just turns around and there's this life-size apparition of java the there the title just like i forgive you he puts his hand on bib fortuna's face you were my favorite son force force hut even though in a middle chapter you can and should always build toward the third movie and set up stuff for it to resolve you still have to make your movie resolve its own narrative threads as well in order for it to stand on its own or it can feel pretty unsatisfying what threads are unresolved in tlj i thought the problem with tlj was that they they cut everything off it was complete you know all we had left was i guess yeah it's all broad stuff like i guess there's still a first order yeah i guess there's still a rebellion so i guess they'll do something about that like the so i can't believe in doing this again fucking hell why are you making me do this so the the conflict of rey and kylo in this film is resolved it's a resounding no from rey right so they they introduce it they build it up and then he offers then she says no that's a completed thing the thread of like i've already explained fin this the thing it's not the these things don't exist is my problem it's how poorly done they are okay like the so like i'm curious because his example of a thread that was never completed was rey's parents aren't confirmed to be nobody and i just like what dj is never you know captured or given comeuppance it's like what are these what are you how are these threads like what i guess i suppose i'm gonna be generous with the conflict between kylo and rey you could say that's um you know it's moved into a different stage now well yeah at the end of the lj because it's like he's given up on trying to recruit her and in theory now it's just full on war between them yeah but that because he said you need it to like leave it open for a third in the trilogy but you also need to wrap up what you did in this film and i would say they did that yeah like the the idea in this yeah in this film you're playing with what is kylo gonna come to the good side is he is he with what's their relationship gonna be oh and and the end is pretty final she shuts the door yeah there's no way kylo's coming back from no he's a bad guy he's absolutely a bad guy and he will be defeated in the third episode by rey that's what's probably gonna happen um except something else happens yeah something yeah we got the thing um so yeah i don't know this it's so weird to like watch a video critical of the last jedi but regularly disagree with it it's it's odd yeah i mean but we've seen this time and time again people will criticize things that are bad but do it in a bad way so we have to criticize it properly which comes across in a way as a defense of the thing which is strange i don't feel like myself um the the other thing i guess with highlighting is never let it be said that i didn't defend tlj at some point okay okay boy and if there is one lesson rand johnson took from the last jedi when writing knives out more than anything else it would be this because whereas in his previous movie pretty much nothing gets resolved here the entire third act is dedicated solely to pinning all of our loose red strings up to their own i mean it is a murder mystery i was about to say that should happen better that would be just like ryan johnson to just be like i'm gonna subvert your expectations who knows who remembers oh it's all we were pretty deflated when um he drove up to the house with martyr after she'd explained everything because we were like well i guess it's time for him to wrap it all up with the detective scene because we were like whatever their answer is gonna be it's gonna be fucking lame and we were still surprised at the labeness exclusive destinations essentially the third act consists of detective blank returning to the house with the family to finally once and for all assemble the events surrounding the murder in other no doesn't he assemble them because he's she's about to describe to them that she's gonna deny the inheritance then she stopped and then he does what he does because of the toxicology report being blank yeah because it's the only the first person who thought about looking at a reporter because this whole time blank has been confused he doesn't know why he's been hired and he manages to piece it all together once he finds out the toxicology is blank so he didn't come here to do that so in other words it's like a ceaseless 25-minute stretch of dopamine release ready i mean no we had a lot of problems my dopamine was locked away at a chest of the bottom of the fucking ocean i could get to it yeah it's more like dopamine oh nice one pain dopamine you can buy a knife after another he wasn't talking about me she said he thinks that releases dopamine for you yeah by the way notice that during this stream the only thing we've been calling this character well i guess the two things is chris evans the actor and ransom yeah this character is everyone his name is hue yeah because dude there are people there are people in this chat watching the stream we've not seen this movie because they like efab so here it goes if you hadn't understood this previously his name is hue ransom uh what's the brimley what's what's the same brim yeah brimley yes brimley you i'm gonna go with it hue ransom brimley right but he goes by ransom because he's not a fan of the name hue and at one point during the film he walks into the house and the the detectives are there and they're like are you hue and he goes oh like are you hue ransom brimley and he's like uh just call me ransom i go by my middle name like okay now when marta discovers the the poor maid who's been injected with a more than fucking lethal about a ball feed but whatever uh the maid needs the maid at this point knows that ransom is the one that did it to her that ransoms involved with the death of harlan and that if she can simply implicate him we can set everybody in motion to catch him so what do you say if you're the maid everyone you of course say you did this and then you scare poor marta because she's like what i did this oh jeez but then in the big reveal scene it turns out she wasn't saying you did this she was saying hue did this isn't that a miracle of a piece of writing that she referred to him as hue when it's so close to you when nobody calls him hue no oh yep exciting yay what wait someone in chat just said he specifically says he makes the help call him hue is that true but even still that wouldn't matter why would he specifically have only her call him hue the name that he doesn't like to be called but she gets a what well it wouldn't matter everyone else refers to him as ransom besides why does everybody ignore the fact that he was named hue because it rhymes with you nobody ever like recognizes this but uh yeah why would you do that instead of ransom because norm because a lot of normies will watch that and they'll think it's so fucking clever ransom did this you did this also she does it in an accusatory manner i always have to bring that up yeah you but hey that's something actually i i didn't actually know that i i've seen the film twice and i didn't catch that he said that he makes the help call them that i just check the scripts apparently it says uh to help call me hue okay wait does he does he say that he makes them do that yeah it's uh it's a huge rice tail and it's like ransom call me ransom my middle name to help call me hue that's why yeah i don't know he doesn't like being called hue so he is so the help keeps calling him something that he doesn't want to be called in and these are the people that he can kind of order around well this isn't even an ordering around it's just like i go by ransom everyone calls me ransom no one calls me hue why why would how would it have even started that they would have called him that because i was gonna the first time i was gonna all of them that he'd be like oh i i go by ransom i don't go by hue no one calls me that the help don't like him so they call him hue nobody likes him that's a big thing everyone hates him why do that why do the help not like him well for the same reason that apparently everyone doesn't he's an ass he's mean to people he shouts oh it's apparently in the first scene when she says you did this she actually says you and not you you no but i could see why he's an ass to his family because his family are fucking incredible what did the help do to him to where he'd behave like that that's weird wait and martin says hue did this because you made the help call you hue because you're an asshole but okay wait why is he an asshole if you make some cool and hue i don't know that's his name so they were gonna call him to be called and he's like no you'll call me the thing i don't want to be called because you're an asshole is the is the meme there that like he doesn't like being called hue so the the help call him hue despite him i guess so why don't refer to him as fucking ransom still when you could uh he's definitely not getting called hue anywhere between this because we have hue ransom dry stale blah blah blah and then the next time is when everything gets cleared up it's nothing else in between the name hue was seven seven times in the script so funny so weird it was called hue just just so they could have that dopamine rush of you that's so odd i hope you all felt it made the help call you hue damn are you oh my god he actually put in the reaction of how cool that is damn oh back again already because earlier that night that night damn you gave him the correct medication because you are a good nurse no no no that is not a thing that shit insane it's an incredibly reckless thing to do that you medicate you could accidentally give him a hundred milligrams of fucking morphine like that's not what you do don't even look at the label fuck it it just feels right in my hand i'm just such an amazing nurse i could tell the difference between a bottle of this and a bottle of that without even looking at it and even though a man's life is in the balance fuck it so much dopamine again i remember this the first time and it was just like what the fuck i feel like in case chat i'll follow it right so there's two vials let's just call them poisoned medicine okay for the sake of this um ransom takes an injection of the entirety of poison out and the same for medicine and then he injects them back into each other so now the the potions are swapped now Marta picks them up and of course you're thinking she checks for medication puts the needle in gets it out and gives it to Harlan and of course he dies but no he doesn't die for a while and it's kind of weird but of course it makes sense because he was never injected with poison he had medicine the whole time how did that happen because she she picked up the bottles and if you watch the scene they're very careful to do this she has her fingers over the labels but she recognizes the liquid the difference as as Daniel Craig puts it in viscosity that's how she gave him the right one instead of the wrong one oh it's insane the dopamine hits are coming thick and first man yeah he considers this a great payoff are you kidding me nurses don't do this great nurses certainly don't do this did we had someone in your stream drink out that said if i would do this i'll get fired yeah yeah yeah it's straight up there like yeah i'm a nurse and yeah i would be struck from the register for doing this yeah exactly it's insane well i because i know a nurse who um i asked about this and they said like it's it's this is the kind of shit that's like criminal negligence but of course she's a great nurse she's a caring heart she's a great soul she's so good she checks a vial after she injects wait you're giving her too much credit she doesn't even check she just lets well she oh afterwards oh i guess you're right she did eventually look at the vial didn't she yeah yeah she's like after she injects them she's like oh wait i fucked up who could have seen this happening you know it's funny um the reason she spotted that was because she was getting the like is a three milligrams of morphine out and she grabs the other vial and this is one where she wasn't covering the label i guess and that's how she discovered that but it weighed the same so yeah fucking all those puzzle pieces we've been gathering throughout this movie this is sorry there was there was no indication that they were going to reveal she is such a goodness she gave him the wrong drug that was insane she covered up what she believed to be a death by her own incompetence she was trying to cover that up is where they are each put in their final places in a way that reveals their true ultimate purpose in the big picture the true ultimate purpose about that every now that's still hanging in the air gets concluded in a way that has a clear effect on the ultimate outcome from the tiniest details to the main thematic character arcs marda for example throughout this whole movie has struggled with her kindness that seems to all she's struggled with her kindness how she is so pure she struggles with her own kindness uh that's good it doesn't matter how good your heart is you gotta face the consequences of which she doesn't accept she doesn't she can literally flee the police in a high-speed car chase and nothing happens it's fine don't worry about it you're too pure yeah how could you argue that she gets away with so much fucking shit in this movie holy yeah and now we finally get the conclusive answer that her kindness is actually the very thing that makes her overcome all her troubles and obstacles with ransom we so he's arguing that because she chose to save uh uh fran it actually turns out that that's that was the best thing to do but we've argued since the fucking beginning i don't know why it wasn't something she would do she knows she didn't poison fran so whoever did is involved so the idea so let me let me clear this out for you right the argument is she's not gonna save fran because fran is the one who's threatening her with a toxicology report that she believes will come back dirty that'll fuck up her her mom's place in the usa so if she lets fran die that means she dies with the toxicology report and no one's gonna find out however if she's a good hearted person she will save fran and the key information you're leaving out there is that someone poisoned fran who wasn't marta and marta knows that so if marta was acting purely selfishly she would still save fran so that fran could tell her who the person who poisoned her was and this person is probably fully aware of the toxicology report otherwise how the fuck did any of this happen fran was left with a burnt copy of it you remember like it's so badly written but all they try to do is tell us that marta is an amazing person always known that he's a bit of a selfish douchebag but here we finally see just how far it reaches and how it's that unkind selfish arrogance that makes him lose as in kindness defeats selfishness yeah that's bullshit kindness defeats selfishness she saved what her what she loved while he tried to destroy what he hated exactly it's so beautiful it just keeps coming back thematic question fully resolved i mean even when we're at the end johnson still goes that i like how the police are never uh i like how the police never go to marta and you're like so you tried to cover up what you thought was yeah you know a man's dead kind of because of you we're gonna have to take you in and ask you some questions yeah so so it'd be like let's just get this timeline straight so you did that and you chose to try and cover it up as a suicide in order to protect yourself from like you know i guess uh what was it sorry and then because she can't lie she goes oh protecting my mother from being deported and he's like oh let's look into that jeffrey and jeffrey's like okay it's like so moving on what were you doing why were you telling us uh like like like more information and when you were with us you know that security tape it just it just got damaged randomly was was that you yes tampering with evidence oh okay and you you you deliberately walked over your own footprints that i assume yes hmm oh tampering with evidence as well and then when you were with ransom your goal was to destroy the evidence that would have implicated you in order to have the money for yourself and for ransom yes yes huh you're not really a great person are you like this there's a lot going on here that's uh but the man i accidentally killed wanted this like oh oh okay oh all right well yeah that makes it look you're coming with us you put it that way a mile to give conclusive payoffs to things we didn't even know we needed conclusive payoffs too oh what the that's a salt by the way who cares he's an evil man yeah oh look he's having the reaction on sounding about melcy he's already like oh that means she's lying that's right friend's dead and you just confessed to her murder and because so let's talk about that um at this point in the film it's discovered that ransom probably killed fran will try to the good thing is no one can prove that shit because you know fran's dead right there's like no she's not dead she's in hospital and the if she wakes up she can implicate him as attempted murder and then he says well attempted murder means i killed it but really i didn't he is this fucking clunky it's insane he says i guess i killed fran oh wait i didn't because she's alive and that means attempted murder and that means i get out of prison and i can destroy barter's life he like he goes super villain cartoon show straight away remember remember just to be clear these two police officers are here listening to this yep as is the detective as is marda and he instead of just sitting there in his chair not saying a fucking thing like a smart person like someone who would even the slightly intelligent person would say a normal person i got a reference to a show that we were pretty critical of to be honest with you but we still thought was pretty good uh fargo season one when um the police officers keep trying to ask less than i got his involvement with um you know different parts of of the events and he keeps trying to sort of squeakily lie and go oh i don't want to talk about it no no no and then once he realizes he's actually in trouble and that they have enough evidence and positions on him to to get him in trouble he just he nuts up and just goes i want a lawyer yep i'm a lawyer that's what you see in a lot of tv because humans aren't stupid enough to be like i did kill him and i do it again you're like okay um anything to reduce your prison sentence should be your goal which by the way he says explicitly in this scene is something he wants to do and yet he's like yeah i killed her like oh and of course the reveal is she lied she's not actually alive she can't implicate ransom but he just admitted to killing her so that means he's going to jail for murder and this is one of those instances where she lies time passes then she throws up yeah this is the longest amount of time in the whole film that she manages to go without throwing up and i don't understand if it's a reflex how is it not happening instantly happening instantly every other time it seems to but you know whatever it's such a good film dopamine 100 milligrams of dopamine goes that extra payoff mile the ending here just feels so satisfying which is what every movie at the end of the day in some way should strive i'm looking at a man with vomit all over his face i'm actually disgusted and i don't want to look um he just said it's really satisfying and that's what all films should strive to be what a worthless fucking line yeah fuck that shit as so clearly shown by the last jedi and if there is one conclusive payoff to take from knives out it said maybe spraying a brick wall it doesn't seem like they're hitting much of the fire i just like i don't know man i don't know maybe that maybe that's a thing maybe i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about because i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about i'm just watching him spray a brick wall and i'm like uh i wonder if that actually helps that's that's where you have to do multiple takes and it's like oh shit we don't want to put out the actual to let all things like the last jedi die maybe it's time to finally forgive ryan johnson nah i'm gonna say you spray the smoldering wood it's a thing like no no no he was spraying the unburned to brick wall i was gonna say rags didn't say brick not wood as far as i we even we even paused it on it how did you miss this and start embracing him as what he has now proven he very obviously is one terrible right right you just say one talented writer what no no he's good at he's good at fooling people like you who aren't critical into thinking things are good so that's a talent of a kind i suppose yeah and we're not dealing with like a five or six that's been elevated to like an eight or nine we're dealing with like a fucking what do you think this ranks rags three uh knives out um two maybe it's kind of batwoman level well i would rate it uh yeah this kind of plays out like an episode of batwoman i can't really distinguish it from batwood outside of obviously the act is a way better in this the cinematography way better the production values the acting yeah way better if we're strictly talking about writing i would say it's on about batwoman level yeah batwomen's are too right yes all right yeah i'm i'm looking tuition terms of writing this is really bad there's a lot of problems here that are i might they're not just like kind of problems they're like very very core fundamental problems with a story i was about to say sorry i thought about that for a bit longer i was about to say i give it a three just for those few bits that we pointed out that would actually like oh that was good though good but i was like oh wait batwoman has like one or two things that we do point out that are good yeah but that's one or two moments across across like a whole season and this has one or two moments will be like does that matter if it's the same ratio well i guess it isn't the same ratio yeah i i feel like this movie if this movie in batwoman season one had the same amount of good episodes i i i feel like in terms of you know time to good moments you know good then this one squeaks out ahead all right should we give it a three directly then three i yeah i'm fine with giving it a three because i i think that yeah i'm fine with giving this a three all right embracing him as what he has now proven he very obviously is one damn good writer oh no all right detectives time to name that mysterious mystery sponsor if you can put these highly difficult clues together you'll win a prize it's a super hot free to play there you go mobile that works both imagine our show on desktop it tells people a predatory pay to win yeah i mean well you can go ahead and chill for yeah for uh what are the possibly worst types of games that exist yeah pretty damn solid reviews it's all about this pretty damn solid reviews from ign i assumed that was weird it's just awkward because you know how bad this is yeah everyone knows it's bad no one thinks it's good all of the reviews are overwhelmingly negative and yet mysteriously it has like a flawless rating what do you know how interesting and it's like the third most played game it's a massive world where you choose from a dozen of playable heroes and do a hella cool battle against other characters and bosses dude you choose characters and you fight bosses have you ever heard of this was the king's warring folly prompted by the will of the lord of darkness i don't even fucking know what that's all within this heist fake storyline so full of subversions and points on you and pay up subversions submissions oh my god it's like it was reigned by ryan johnson hang around oh no upgrade wow ryan johnson your writings are as good as rage shadow legends i don't believe for a fucking second that phil mento has consumed the storyline of rage shadow legends like really who would have played this game who's actually here's what happens is he said yes when this company said we want you to show our shitty product he said ooh money yes please well and they sent him a pack of assets that included stuff like this to show off and one of them just happened to be snippets of the story we got two almost nonsensical statements and so he's like wow so many subversions such incredible storylines well i just like that he didn't put like just a generic commercial at the end of his uh his video like he actually pulled this to his right tied it back to the ryan johnson stuff i well i mean isn't that the standard of the minuscule amount of work i was gonna say that's what most that's what most channels try to do to appear as though they've put more effort into the shilling than you know zero yeah look i tied it into my video and you're like uh-huh yeah because i i wrote a little thing on a script while the pre-packaged asset stuff that they sent me in an email plays in the background like this isn't his that he made he's just playing the shit that they gave him said oh yeah show this on your video radio champions battle against other players just do like whatever and entirely for free so with these clues detectives do you have any eye entirely it's not actually ray shadow legends it's gonna actually turn out to be pokemon go or candy crush i just want to highlight though entirely for free it's such a uh it's such a fucking lie you know exactly that this game is that you know that this game isn't free to play this is free to dip your toe in but to do anything approaching meaningful you have to shell out money i think so don't give me that bullshit about how it's free i think j uh technically i don't know if he's making a video but um when playing ray shadow legends apparently in the first like i think it was an hour i'd have to ask him again but the uh there was like something like 17 pay pop ups or some shit it was fucking ridiculous yeah oh by the way chat it's not like honey and it's not honey pop honey pop is totally i i i don't know if i paid for i don't i don't even know where i played it i played it though it didn't have to spend any money inside of it no microtransactions in honey pop how dare you take honey pop and stupid down to raid shadow legends oh yeah let me let me just say not all microtransactions are created equal okay oh yeah absolutely yeah oh you already know okay well you win now step up and claim your price click the link below right now and get the game for free as well oh wow i did the game for free if i click the link below i get the game for free as opposed to everyone else who had to pay for the game as opposed to the hundred thousand silver or a hundred thousand silver dude pieces wow 100,000 silver 50 emeralds gems i get it i get a green bottle and i get 50 emeralds and i get one dude is that a violent morphine is it a hundred milligram oh my goodness a hundred grams of green is it don't bite the moustache of it oh no an energy refill plus a super fantastic totally free champion whose name alone will scare off your executioner dude that's my favorite character okay executioner he's from batwoman he's the guy he looks nothing like an executioner as far it's not a very stereotypical but he has six purple stars and he's level 60 shit wow attacks one enemy has a 15% chance of placing a stun debuff for one turn go to the video description and click on the special links and if you are new i think i won't i don't think i will so shit i would never if if i ever do a raid shadow legends video just someone i need help and you need to call the police and say this man has been replaced called a popo he's been he's been kidnapped and replaced with a clone by palpatine oh no palpatine shitty version of me again oh no oh no player you will get 100 000 silver plus 50 gems plus one and how much is without that's the thing if if this is an earnest advertisement i'd be like man here's what 100 000 silver means though because if you've never played guild wars too and i told you oh yeah i'll give you 20 gold you have no idea what the actual you could have said two million gold and i'd be like oh that sounds like a lot and you're like like oh actually the the in-game economy is totally inflated two million gold is like three dollars of real-world currency and that's the thing about these games right so i'm i've never played raid shadow legends before i picture the gameplay loop is you go through like a corridor and you knock out a bunch of grunts uh all level one is probably all grunts level two is probably all grunts but a couple of like big dudes level three is probably the same thing level four ends with a boss fight and it's really hard to beat and you're about to lose your health and it's like you can heal your team for just uh you know uh 10 000 silver and you use some of the you can save the princess all you have to do is show your heroes your credit card number and the three numbers on the back well yeah we all wish the evil dragon you all know how this works right and and of course it gets to the point where you run out of your silver or whatever free currency you had and it's like oh if you beat that next boss you unlock galaxinator and you're like oh and it's like but that boss oh he's not dying oh your team is dying oh uh you know the executioner has been knocked out and he's gonna recover in one day of time you can speed up the time with just one pound or one dollar and you're like oh one one dollar that's a fucking bargain hell yeah yeah i want to win for a dollar that's cheap and then you get them up and you kill the thing you get this this new champion you're like yes now i can use this champion to do the same thing i just did okay and it goes on and on and apparently now they're implementing stories like that shit sounds hilarious can you imagine how bad the writing is in raid fucking shadow legends oh i cannot imagine i'm i'm still considering doing a review of it because it's i'm pretty i'm sure it's gonna be shit yeah this is um it's funny he mentioned the dopamine thing because this is like they build this shit in a lab they're like the whole point is like why do you think these mobile games are the scourge of gaming why anybody who if you're out there and you play games if you have any shred of concern about the state of video games the biggest blight on video games right now is bullshit like raid shadow legends that is designed to suck as much money with its addictive game mechanics and it's in a dopamine hits this is the fucking problem with games right here you think yeah he's bad you think that shit's bad fuck that it's mobile games are the ultimate answer if we're talking about how the mechanics and the last of us two have problems and someone said well the mechanics in raid shadow legends are worse we don't look you like we're talking about games yeah like these are these are skinner boxes and gambling of in a what i call slot machines and these are these are um like marketing tactics dressed up as game these things fool you into thinking that they're games this that's how they get you it's just like when i uh years and years ago when plants were zombies two came out and i was like oh i like the first one i'll play this next one and it did the same fucking thing where you play through and you play through and then all of a sudden it gets super once you're once you start to get invested in the game it the difficulty spikes really hard and you're like oh shit and then they're like well you know if you just pay a little bit i'll let you increase the data that's a dot and i'm like yep i'm out fuck you you can just tell they use like teams of psychologists to predict like okay what's the optimum amount of time it takes for a person to get really into a game and like that's when we'll hit them with the paywall well that's what the real value is the real value is knowing how to make these games because the actual game itself you could just copy and paste that and clone it and reskin it a hundred times over that doesn't matter the real value is knowing how to make these is like yeah meth is meth but knowing how to make the math well that's where that's where you get breaking bad value right there and uh it's funny because i'm assuming you would have seen it right maybe i don't know but there's gym still another video where um like an email got leaked from people who make games like this and whatever other sort of predatory aspects of bigger games as well but they were like that they love wales not the country not the animal but well the metaphorical representation of a a person who just shoves dollars into games like this like there are rich people out there who'll plug like all of their fucking revenue into this into these fucking games because they're just like ah i just love the winning it's so it's so much you need to pull them out like it's okay because you know we joke but like you can get seriously addicted to this shit yeah that's how they're designed i mean there's a reason why it's just like with it's just like with drugs right that first one's free those first levels to get you interested they'll they'll free for a couple days maybe a week you'll be plowing through the game having a gale time things will be great life's just right as rain having a good time and then all of a sudden you hit that wall it gets super difficult and you're like shit what the fuck happened if only there was a way to progress oh i could buy 100 000 silver if i watch this fucking video on knives out that's amazing that's great and then that just what does that do it builds and builds and builds once you spend that first bit of money now you're even more invested and if you're in for a penny well i'm on the hodakos i'm not just gonna give up my raid shadow legends account i'm not just gonna stop playing i've already invested so much time and money into it i'm not gonna stop i hope you appreciate this this random fucking rage that rags and i are having against rage shadow legends it's just like like someone said in the chat like well flashkits is his ads on him are good is like yeah that doesn't change that he's shilling for a shitty fucking product that no one should ever advertise yeah it's pretty awkward because obviously if you talk to the creator they'll be like well i needed the money you know like oh oh like i've gotten emails from them wanting to advertise with dog bites and i look at the money that they offer for that you know and i'm like damn i can only imagine what they offer for his picture yeah well this is the thing like um you just have to do some hypotheticals you'd be like just take everything to the logical extremes of like what kind of unethical well so uh we had examples right the um fuck what was it called better help remember that everyone remember yeah yeah better help that was a big old fiasco that blew up and the youtubers that were desperately trying to be like look it's i didn't know and it's like oh it's your responsibility to know what you are advertising that is if some if your favorite youtuber comes to you and says oh i didn't know i i didn't i didn't have this basic knowledge of the product that i had i didn't look up reviews i just didn't know it's your responsibility to know if you're gonna steal something then that's up to you that's something that you have to take responsibility for when i had by tay rock watch ad i said you gotta send me one i gotta know it's good i gotta be able to vouch for it personally and they did and i still wear that one yeah i mean i think it's like it's the same criteria is like you wouldn't review a movie if you haven't seen it you know you can't you can't show a product you haven't tried it and do it right you consider it bad enough to do that on its own imagine doing that for money like yeah how does that improve it it's like well because i need the money it's like really though like were you dying without this you serious and i'm like and i just just so we're clear like you're not a bad person or anything if you show for rage shadow legends that's just not a good thing to do agree and obviously every scenario is going to be different but it is what it is and i mean this is probably a long time coming we've never really properly explained why we don't do ads on efap uh not necessarily that's not exactly a reason for why we don't do it as a whole but that's why we don't do it for a rage shadow legends for fucking one so yeah it's yeah um i would this thing i'll i'd never show for a shadow legends now if it was the only thing keeping me off the street but even then i'm not jumping on yes i feel like sure you can find there's loads of sponsors and they react to like people contacting them yeah i mean that's like when when you get a when you have a youtube channel and you have a channel email you get emails all the time i still get them all the time and they're almost by the way almost all mobile games niggas said you make so much money from super chats anyway so yes that's why we don't do it because we make enough money anyway obviously if we we didn't that's much like in knowing yeah first set of efaps we we were obviously running ads back then because we needed them but then we stopped oh yeah yeah we i remember when we got to that pivotal efap when we we we went to the our counting house uh together we opened up the coffers and we counted it all and we're like you know what i think it's time to finally turn off advertisements and our sponsorships for every frame of pause we did it we can finally have some level of intent and then high five it's not it's not not all sponsorships are like a bad move at all in fact dollar shave club looks like something's pretty good from what i've seen you know audible um yeah some things i i have yeah i have shield for uh like i said tarot makers of uh watch me and i there's a reason i did and i didn't just say yes they didn't just email me i said hell yeah i'll do that for the money that you said also in finesse it makes a lot of sense because you and i both were watching basically every total biscuit and gym stealing video back in the day so it's really hard to follow all of their shit and not conclude that mobile games cancer of the fucking gaming world yeah yeah i will gladly shill for like there are products that i recommend the logitech g600 mouse i will if logitech sent me an email and said hey we want to pay you to promote this mouse i'll say fuck yeah i've been promoting that shit for free for years anyway i have a spare g600 at the side of my desk i if zotac contacted me and said hey you know we want to pay you money to recommend our graphics cards and i'm like fuck yeah i've been doing that anyway for years your cards are great fuck yeah absolutely i want people to buy yourself it's good someone said you use ads on youtube though so we don't actually personally approve any of those ads whatsoever yeah i don't tell you that the things on those ads are good for you and that everyone should play them they're free if we could there's no way youtube would allow that to happen because think of all of the advertisements that would be on like like let's say um brandon herrera or um forgotten weapons or no iraq veteran 8088 and all those like a like a gun channel think of all the companies from glock to six hour to anyone you would love to put their ads in front of their stuff like youtube wouldn't approve that because it's like a new so you know if we could actually choose our ads that would be so good for us unless i'm not thinking this through all the way but as far as i know that would be great for like if you were deemed a controversial channel like you know like gun channels are especially in youtube's eyes oh hell yeah that'd be great for them instead of having no ads because it's oh it's gun it's gun contra firearms dude there must have been like a rise of skywalker ad on one of my videos at some point like well that means that you endorse well that yeah that's the thing it's youtube's the one that the buck stops with that one but if i have a baked in ad that i've personally done and you hear my voice like approving it then i gotta be really f***ing careful with what i'm approving so anyway so anyway uh yeah right now let's just one free champion executioner do it and i'll see you in there detectives no you won't yeah that's another thing that yeah let's do like play with me it's like oh that's okay because all of these things are required um by uh i think the right deal you have to like this certain phrases you have to say because of course you can make a compilation of every single person who has ever said uh it's free it's the top but don't they usually say it's in the top three most played games it's it's got over a million users or some s*** i can't remember all the different blurbs yeah well that'd be people that play it once and then they're like no f***ing way i'm done well it's the ones that really get me when they're like this game is very good i'm like oh do you but but really though all right and that was knives out was better than yeah knives out better than last jedi which wait what do you think of that statement last uh yes yeah it made me less angry like right yeah they're similar but like at least knives out doesn't destroy what came before yeah if the writing was totally equal on both well then what what what's the next thing that we have to move to well i guess it would be the fact that one of them shits on canon and creates problems for stuff outside of itself like the last jedi like even knives out is terrible knives out ruins knives out the last jedi doesn't just ruin the last jedi it's infectious garbage creeps out and infects other things as well and drags them down and then it creates problems for the following films too knives out at least is a self-contained disaster yeah i think that's the best way of looking at it and self-contained disaster i don't know if we covered all of our issues with with um with knives out but you can go and check out on drinkers channel that all of us discussed it for like two and a half hours just specifically the film if you want to know more about what we thought was really dumb surely between all of us and these two like streams that we've done we must have covered most of it yeah uh knives out is overrated as fuck um i was told again and again by people a collection of different ratings and none of them went below like you know a a six seven sort of range when i think that the film falls apart in like almost every aspect in terms of how it's building up all of its big twist turns and motivations and and reveals and stuff and yeah uh after watching it i was really encouraged to uh make a video on it that was actually by plan um which overtook a different idea i had for a different video that i had began a weird dark four but that and that video came as a result of me deciding i didn't necessarily want to do joker yet and that came as an example of me being like i want to do something between parts three and four of the tfa video and that's what i meant on stream when i said it's a fucking giant perpetual circle of me like interrupting myself with projects but right now i want to work on the last of us two video so and this is just an expectation it's probably going to change as time goes on i want to make a last of us two video and a knives out video then probably tfa part four and that's as far as i could even begin to try and predict because i think everything will change by the time i complete even one of these videos well next five years i sort it then yeah pretty much um but yeah that's uh i guess that brings us to super chats uh yeah looks like it unless there's anything else anyone wants to say about how great knives out is i love knives out i love that movies that things become my own personal like cinematic purgatory i just can't seem to escape it just more and more streams i have to do he's never gonna watch another movie with us moller well yeah gonna be like oh no first i'm not watching a movie with mollard rags i gotta get dragged into a rabbit hole of talking about this on endless streams or hours and hours you gave me ghostbusters 2016 the fucking extended car that was fun to watch because it was terrible we laughed at it well we had some love the names are yeah we we enjoyed that film i'm glad i watched ghostbusters 2016 because it was bad in a bizarre kind of way um it was like aliens made of like a movie designed for humans and they didn't quite understand human culture i would watch ghostbusters before i would watch knives out again oh wait someone said uh really kept saying he wouldn't do a tl oh you video to video wow um i know it doesn't quite make sense the if you watch my streams of it it'll all make sense let's just say so you're not going to make it the last of us to video no no i am but i wasn't oh you are okay i was i was just making sure because you have the knives out thing um and you're gonna make a movie or you're gonna make a video on how what was it we are back a dinosaur's tail or whatever it was yeah talk to me you really like that um i know you told me not to tell anyone but but i guess a lot of people may have been confused about um a little bit because they were like like why wouldn't you have known you were gonna make a video before you even necessarily played it because and and this is the miracle i really didn't know like even five percent of the leaks uh shit tons in that game surprised me and let's just say i've um my mind has been quite changed i was not happy uh there are four videos in total of the stream but um and also from like a creative perspective not always a good idea to commit that you're going to make a video on something that you haven't consumed yet yeah you can always reserve you know you don't have to commit to making anything like those people who say i didn't want to help i didn't want to make this video but i had to is like i didn't drive me nuts there yeah i mean i was just being completely honest with you i did not have a drive to make a last of those two video i just didn't and then i played the game and i got pretty upset several moments i i even i think i shouted at the game a few times yeah so there you go now you know it's coming from the heart i mean yeah labor and uh there are some you know what the highlights of the streams alone are enough reason to make a video people need to see what happened in that game is there a highlight of the stuff to look at because that's quick no i'm saying like that's why that's reason enough to make a video that i can show you guys what fucking happened in the streams because i i gotta watch the third one i watched the first two um that game i am so glad i didn't find my playstation and bust that shit out to play this it doesn't look fun to play it looks miserable i'm so unhappy with the story it's frustrating to watch you play it um wow i all the people who saw the leaks didn't spend the money talk about dodging a bullet and the person who leaked that story is a goddamn hero um so yeah uh anything else anyone wants to talk about and of course um i think i don't know mel you you're probably needing to go to sleep until all right uh yes it's 3 a.m stupid oh is the german government gonna let you sleep they didn't let you watch the video yeah that's true those bastards he's gonna watch pillows out pillows out the sheets out um huh yeah yeah uh so mel runs a uh a fucking a twitch channel streams video games and um there's there's a link a rune in the description um i don't know do you want to do want to try and sell it to these people even though they know you pretty well at this point uh tizems no i just pretty much stream there almost every day not in the next week though because i'm moving into a new flat on friday so there won't be any streams you're gonna give blood on friday nice blood move to my flat oh okay for some i don't know for some reason that came i i went to a strange place there i don't know why i thought i don't know why yeah uh i'll probably do one stream tomorrow because i'm still here you're gonna stream lost of us too no absolutely not i don't give a shit about any of those games oh uh stream honeypot no stream rich adolescents i'm telling you go for the the indian gal first okay she's got them she's got that quality bud she's a she's a nasty she she's shy at first but you know that's just because she's nasty in the sack you don't you just don't want to give it away nice they had us in the first half not gonna lie but yeah but normally i'll stream there pretty much every day just tizem around hang out but also my john rick 2 video is up again on my channel it's been untouched for two weeks it has not been nuked people could watch it without problems uh so i'm just gonna put a link in here as well merge no i will yeah that's uh it's a good video for those of you who haven't watched it it is a it's very good no thank you i would yeah if you want to go yeah everyone should go watch that once the stream's over okay or during either way yeah yeah i'm i'm pretty hopeful now that it's not gonna get fucked over this time because it's already up uh double the time than before last time it was a loop like after a week or something but yeah seems to be fine now so go go check that form out and yeah i think that's about it all righty well uh i guess we'll catch you next time and around and in between and all that stuff absolutely and yeah it was fun i'll i'll catch you all later sure see you later bye bye just adding it to your john wick 2 john wick john wachy did you did you like john wick 2 because i uh drink a lot of okay hey drinker did you like john wick 2 uh john wick 2 yeah it was all right and and three uh not so much well you you have wrong feelings on both they're both terrible and now you're going to internet prison for having bad opinions uh i can handle that wouldn't be the first time because you're you're uh you're tackling uh watchman next honey i am yeah i'm working on the script for it right now so yeah i'm coming at it from the point of view of it got an awful lot of shit back in the day and maybe it wasn't quite as bad as people made it out to be so in terms of timeline i remember it being celebrated quite well and then it sank miserably like i i remember feeling a bit of whiplash i was like oh we don't like this oh shit okay because i didn't know anything about washman i just saw the movie and thought it was neat yeah um i i don't know if people went into it like general audiences just expected it to be more of a like upbeat you know clear cut superhero flick you know kind of like the mcu was starting to become at that point um and obviously what you got was something very different but yeah i just it it disappeared from theaters pretty quickly i don't think the the the critical reviews were great at the time either but yeah i just i remember talking to my friends and we all loved it and um yeah i've always wanted to talk about it and finally i've got some time that's like the one advantage of you know all this bullshit that's happened over the past six months it's like i like the pause there you're like oh this is going to sound a bit awful i guess it's an advantage what terms are my allowed to use like the unspecified illness from a different country um but yeah oh it's okay we get demonetized it's good yeah well it's giving me a chance to work through like my backlog of films so that's what i've wanted to talk about for a long time i mean yeah i'm looking forward to it uh i haven't rewatched it in a long time so i have to rely on you for a recap and shit all right yeah i mean i like i don't go into i'm not going to go into a huge amount of detail with the plot because i would be if like four hours long just trying to describe everything that happens but i'll cover the main points and hopefully it should be up tomorrow if not the day after um so yeah do you want to do you want to hang out with us for a bit while we uh check out these super chats or you uh i would love to but i'm probably gonna have to go to bed as well uh right then well uh we kind of we're just doing the thing that i was going to ask you to do just then that was kind of like a plug do you guys excited to hear about that you should go and check out critical drinker at critical drinker dot com slash youtube it's definitely where you find it it's yeah plenty of videos to consume and while you while you're waiting for uh the video on the watchman like i said you can check out the uh the stream we did about knives out that's an easy entry way yeah that's that's on critical drinker live like my sort of archive channel um yeah i'm glad you did the plug because i always suck at plug in my own work i hate it i can never think of anything relevant to say i'm just like oh i repeat movies i don't know hello regs how are you hi hey have you emptied your bubbles um no i didn't bladder yeah all right and because the vicious cycle continues ever onwards the bladder has been emptied the thermos has been filled see i see it's all pointless really it's just a cycle what's the point you know the the theme is that it's a pointless cycle oh okay which is ironically the point so um i and johnson wrote my life i didn't want to keep you longer than i have to mr drinker you're uh thank you so much for joining us it's been wonderful all right and as always um hopefully next time we have something to talk about there's not knives out no next time we'll watch the last of us too you're excited talk about the last of us too is that we want to do all right well thanks anyway guys and have a good one yeah see you later so that leaves us and uh i suppose we will get on with the super chance i um i gotta mute the third age we keep getting in trouble with howard shore i can't know the howard shore yeah howard shore of course howard shore leave us alone um and for some reason this game doesn't have options to mute sound versus effects because obviously i would just keep effects on but uh hopefully our voices can carry the everything else i guess yeah because you get surround is the only audio option you have i guess oh it doesn't let you choose between sound effects and music well it just it's turn surround sound on or off that's it oh well switch do you prefer i just i find that so funny like of all the options you could have is like surround sound yes you're like i it's like yeah i guess yeah sure i'm not sure it's neat to have surround sound why not surround sounds sounds yeah sounds great sounds fucking baller also this was this e-fap 96 jesus we got seven eight nine that's all we got left before hundred seven eight nine mm-hmm oh my god a crime uh here we go wait wedding fap is this i'm lost in a days i have to put my clues together and discover who who'd done it who done which e-fap number is this um so yeah i guess i'll just uh sorry about the thing is we got super chats to catch up on from e-fap after today's ones that we'll try and chip into and i've got ones to catch up for the last of us two i think my plan will be to stream tomorrow probably solo doing all the last of us two ones that i missed solo and then um e-fap will be saturday again this one got pushed forward that's why uh you know it's it's a bit this we're gonna have a double dose of e-fap this week i guess um hopefully you guys are okay with that i that's probably gonna upset them right um well we wouldn't be able to do it without our sponsor rage shadow yeah oh great we're back in the game where everyone's missing you'll ride at home um so yeah uh that's probably the what what what we're expected to be doing um and next week there may or may not be a batwoman i'm not sure how our um our backlog of things is right now uh but uh there's only three left for batwoman as far as i know how fucking sad is that it brings a tear to my eye so i wish i wish batwoman was gay so we could just let it go let it go i'm super gay e-fap on my birthday nice that was the first one like i must have been real happy about that nice that is nice happy birthday happy birthday molar over and over guys i don't want to make a video game oh i will make you hate me until you want to make a video me i knew the game would convince you there was there was i did notice that some people like appreciably will by the end of it i was like uh but uh if if you ask me what's the game that wants you to hate it i like this too uh it's kind of i feel like the developers outright have said something along those lines like um like we are games aren't supposed to be fun like oh yeah that's not what games are meant to be this is like oh damn wilford brindley for e-fap 100 do you think if we could get if wilford brindley on e-fap that we wouldn't do that instantly like that i would love to have wilford brindley on e-fap we'd watch some of his films we would learn his uh his career his cinematographical career oh i'd be great uh i was just asking him like all the stuff he's seen and done in the industry all the movies he's been in mola when will the last of us to review part three come out that's like 2684 oh three like that's that's some that's some alternate universe shit right there but you don't give it time anything can happen uh finally caught up and can watch e-fap live hi rags hello who do folks say hi rags all the time i know why do folks say that sorry also hi rags oh hey the why goes all that's more of a fun thing for them to go and discover on on e-fap.me link in the description it can go to the origins page and you'll find a lot of memes are in there and then you can discover where they were started hi rags is possibly one of the longest running right that's definitely up there um finally caught a live one your content keeps me entertained at work so thank you love to you and the collective aw i like it when the collective receives love uh fat gerald and the dawn greatest heroes of our time fat gerald is a fucking legend favorite character um hey everyone e-fap movies bionicle mask of light you know don't see why we can't do it we gotta we got a bionicle yeah oh man i remember bionicle they were they were they were cool it's like you have bobby dolls ken dolls like you gay and then it's like yeah but it's for men yeah men played with bionicle okay i remember the ones that were kind of like bionicle but they made um they they're like circular little guys who were like little monsters in the universe uh and they they would roll up and move around and they had different colors too i for guys just remember like i remember the very the very first bionicle ones and they came with comic books they were really shitty they should have drawn comic books and they had like i i got because i think we we got one each me and my brother i got the fire one i think his name was tahu i can't remember though i think it was tahu and he was the fire one he had a fire sword and my my brother got the ice one and he had like mechanical eyes and stuff you got bakugan and bow rock borough bow rock uh let me check bow rock yeah i remember these things yeah yeah yeah that's what they were sweet the ball ones with bow rocks huh let me look up the the fire bionicle oh no they were called toa right yeah fire toa the toa fire um the the original one oh i even remember some of these promo images where he's like surfing on lava and he had the really simple hand where it was two black fingers sticking forwards um in his name tahu now let me look at the ice one now um uh kopaka yeah he had like that thing on his eye shit that's that's fucking taking it back and that shit is no he had yeah he had yeah he had the sword and the shield and he had the i found the i found the this is like a blast from the past man he had the shield and the sword and there's like two blades on the sword and he had the little eye stuff bionicle is 100 pure nostalgia bath it actually is i know basically nothing about the the the bionicle lore and universe i just sort of i remember the toys and playing with them um with the legos and everything dang it at work i always hated knives out so this i am looking forward to hopefully you guys will still be on for this poor working girl um well hang in there we're like what five hours we went nine ten seven twelve one two yeah we're five so possibly uh possibly there but yeah um we're we weren't a fan of it either being that's kind of kind of poopy it's better than uh better than that woman it's just a little bit i guess we never addressed um the obvious thing that would be sad about us it's like well of course you didn't like it's by ryan johnson you were never gonna and it's just like i feel like we gave pretty good arguments for why we yeah i think it's very well made um written yeah um it's not like we said oh i think knowing that it was written by ryan johnson certainly informs a lot of what we saw but it wasn't explained as he wrote it it's because it was written period like it was so easy it's like if you hadn't told us it was written by him i'd be like oh there's a very good chance this was written by him because of the way everything goes in the movie uh hello ifa panel i think we'll call them the subversive greats uh the subversive greats about um ryan johnson films or the subversive greats oh the selection of films that like we hate little content that's like ruining everything for meteor and stuff or ip's uh we can call them subversive greats i get it um hey mola do you know the youtuber curio if you don't that's okay because he's a typical bread tuber uh who has a major hate on towards you he did that video on objectivity that we covered which is really shitty that i'm gonna actually respond to yeah that video is awful yeah that was a really shitty video all of their videos on objectivity are fucking horseshit it's kind of shocking like yet to change the writing in superman to make a stupid point some funny shit and the whole not impressive at all they'll believe superman can fly but they will not believe a woman could beat up a bad it's like what what are you doing like what they'll believe that an alien from another planet who draws his strength from you know the fact that he's not even he's he's a foreign creature on earth planet the fantasy universe yeah yeah there's those are those are compatible i mean it's my because i started a response to him in fact and i will get to it again it's a great video to cover because it's so terrible it's a learning experience for everyone that that's what got mola and myself to watch the original superman movie yes and i liked it yeah we had fun yeah i did have fun the fucking slap it's so great you lost your shit i i didn't believe it had happened what i told you about saying stupid shit oh my god he's like holy shit Jesus crying correct uh yeah some what did you guys think of James Cameron's avatar my friend says it's not that bad and i'm just no also hi rags long live christmas hi uh yes indeed long live christmas i haven't seen avatar in a years haven't seen it in years i don't imagine it really but i don't i remember liking it but i was never passionate at all and i remember people shitting on it and i was like yeah it's probably bad yeah i i totally agree that it's probably terrible i don't feel any like emotional investment either for or against it yeah if we were to rewatch it maybe for refab movies we might uh have some fun with it uh i'd be down for that there you go no had hotties dead no no um but yeah you know the obvious is that it has uh groundbreaking or industry changing effects it um it's made the most money in the box office of all time outside of Avengers Endgame and the story everyone always says is a rip off of dancers with wolves um um so that's about it um i don't remember a lot of it at this point because i think i watched it when it came out in a while but of course um you know could give it a rewatch completely unrelated but what are your thoughts on 2001 a space Odyssey it seems to break every writing filmmaking rule but i think it's great have you seen it rags with what uh 2001 a space Odyssey i have but it's been so long since i've seen it i couldn't comment on it yeah i mean i've always remembered liking it but i don't um it was never something i was that passionate about so i'd have to rewatch it to be able to give more extensive thoughts on that one but um yeah i mean everything to do with how was fucking awesome i remember at least the um and just yeah it's kind of hard to explain the atmosphere of the movies uh fucking awesome maybe we should watch 2001 a space Odyssey and avatar back to back what a weird two movies to watch they're both sci-fi right it counts yeah resurrect the dwarf uh gimley i never thought i'd die wanting that hobbit to rot legolas what about wanting that hobbit to rot and also his friend gimley i i could do that i mean yeah that's about right also i'm out of ap whoa i'm gonna need a lot of elf medicine when i fight the balrog i reckon rags my dear massive as you are clearly the sexist member of the toxic brood i would like you to do your own face cam reaction video to henry cavill building a pc get some lgbt wrap-in while it's still a hot topic um it's pretty not interested in rapping for lgbt but um i did hear that he was a pc master race guy uh i know one of the witcher promos he had said that and um yeah i he seems like a really nice guy probably cool fun to hang around with i wouldn't mind playing some pc games though henry cavill but i'm not like super interested in covering it and i don't know what i'd say other than you know yeah good job you made a good decision uh because he probably knows what he's doing he sounds like he is uh he does and i'm sure if he did a horrible job with it i would have heard a whole lot more about it yeah why did you watch um i can jay longboat's video on it no you should it's hilarious yeah all she goes nuts for that for that superman tisms he's a talented handsome guy who uh plays games the correct way oh yes none of that none of that clown stick bullshit nope um hello raggleton your cameos in the last of us two were the best parts of the game and moeller made sure to save you f for jimmy still the best character i'm always happy to um always happy to help make molotovs and all those other things molotovs molotovs um but yeah it's so many times i'm stocked fully on rags and i'm like no it's a stupid game this is my first live efab i love your content also i'm a veterinary nurse and wouldn't dream of just picking up a drug and giving it to an animal without looking at the label hi rag hey it's kind of amazing that that's something they actually argue is like a good thing in the movie uh it kind of nuts you are a good nurse oh painful uh john wick too was good metal nor wasn't and it's it's quite suitable that i said nor because fringy used to love that movie he now thinks it's terrible ruining art ruining hot everywhere you go ruining art um can't help yourself rags do you use rags brands rags from men odds from menards i don't know what that is me nods i don't know what that is either mon la monal i do not know what that is i don't know what brand of my rags are actually i'm i'm a big believer in paper towels you don't even use rags this might i do i do i just also use paper towels as well rags are amazing though i will sing the praises of rags anytime i can no it doesn't surprise me not even a little bit i would also do that why can't i have a super sword that just gets me through everything explain to me didn't explain it i'm upset nope um a super sword happy hump day also hello rags oh hello and happy hump day to you that's very kind one of my dogs is named abby her name is now retroactively tizm because uh she's a bit tizmy herself but still feel bad but still infinitely better than that abby that's fair enough um my summer school teacher college made us watch the secret of mario's jump unironically saying it would help us become better came to sign it oh no i hope you can get your money back uh i'm starting to think that because i there's so many people who've mentioned this i'm like damn what a what a free day for them you know they'll just turn that video on yeah i don't fucking oh i'm sure they'll get something useful out of this fuck it talk amongst yourselves about how meaningful the video is okay you're like oh okay thanks teacher um please help the rope keeps appearing in my hands oh no don't you do it that's just what the secret of mario's jump wants oh god it reels low on hp's again i know um i'm deeply sorry for recommending knives out uh it's all right it was probably something we were gonna check out eventually anyway but i appreciate the apology you know it's it is tough to be responsible for such horrors can't help but just you you want to you want to apologize i get it uh well i saw the title to this what fresh hell is this i swear i feel like i have a my masochism fetish at this point well a lot of people like knives out in fact i'm pretty sure i've seen a lot of talk in the um in the discord and in the subreddit i think as well i just uh knives out is good shit and i'm always like yeah i mean makes no fucking sense so uh you know knives out for last jedi hey um there is an objectively awful zero out of ten film you must choose a button to subjectively enjoy it ten out of ten or zero out of ten which do you press also are you fat in the in the scenario i'm i'm not fat um i don't quite follow the um i guess they're saying question would you prefer to thoroughly enjoy or not enjoy at all a film that is objectively fucking garbage oh i'd rather enjoy it yeah i would pick thoroughly enjoy yeah i can thoroughly enjoy something and still say it's terrible i mean that but i'd have a good time woman is honestly like i thoroughly enjoy that woman it's so bad and if someone was like would you prefer to not enjoy it at all i'd be like no i like uh i like the setup right now it's funny mountain range possibly put that in my giant folder of questions that may be answered by guests one day um if ever we sort that out uh wait people are f-ing is stream down i don't know if it's for a meme or not rip eaters big f we cancelled by raid we back so by raid it looks like it's all good yeah looks like it's all good uh the movie mentioned that the servants called him hue for some reason i think it's because they're not worthy not worthy it doesn't even you'd think it would be the other way around right that the help would have to call him mr um thrombie or whatever the hell yeah and i don't know why he wouldn't have everybody calling him the thing that he wanted to be called it's weird mm-hmm uh my barn boon down today is my b-day hi rags hey i mean it sucks about the barn um i hope it's an actual barn boon down who gave this five-year-old a mic and editing software also hi rags looking forward to your the last of his part two unbridled rage oh no well sometimes a ragu just gotta do it gotta make that video uh but yeah i mean i can't i wouldn't be able to guess how old that kid was but um they got to express their favoriteest movie of all time and hopefully they move on to um you know brighter things like like any other movie because you're probably gonna luck out and it'll be better it's a good movie baller i think this is in reference to john wick again sorry well john wick one is pretty good i'll agree with that yeah oh yeah the first one yeah the others that five first one um who actually started the subverted expectations meme was it just something that emerged from video assayers crowds or do we actually know patient zero well certainly nowadays it's because of the last Jedi i think they're asking like which of the video assay community started using it to describe stuff like uh tlj i don't know i don't know it's kind of hard to pinpoint and i i don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a couple of people got there on their own because it's a really great way to try and avoid the disaster that is the last Jedi but being like it's using a technique of writing called subversion of expectation you establish an expectation and then you subvert it it's wonderful you know like i don't write they try to really make this very simple almost pointless concept extremely grandiose it's just if you can describe it that way you might convince a viewer that it wasn't that they felt it wasn't that it was bad it's that they misunderstood it oh yeah you just needed to be in the right mindset and understand that that turns out it's good we can make it good retroactively uh Superman's logo e letter before y with rags e letter before so superman's logo so an s okay and then e letter before y with rags i will paste it to you because i'm a little confused um x oh superman's logo sex oh sex with rags oh my goodness gracious i was reading that all wrong i thought it meant you take superman's logo and you put an e in it instead of the s and then you put the letter before y with it and then rags like where's it something i was like what the fuck well you just gotta know about you gotta know about the sex talk this is what this is what they mean when they refer to that deciphering super chats yeah i mean this is part of the territory deciphering super chance the big s um recently watched the hobbit extended editions after watching the lord the rings extended editions they were okay in comparison i would love to hear your thoughts the hobbit for e-fap movies uh not our christmas one being all right i don't remember much of the second or third i remember the third was just you know like i'm not sure how it would go uh hobbit e-fap movies i really don't know how like how we would sort of riff on it or would we would we even want to would we want to pay attention to know if we think it is poorly constructed or not and then at that point you can't really it's not really any fap movies as much as it just you know yeah i think there's other stuff that we've had on the list that we're more keen on watching mm-hmm um ryan johnson should get the joel miller treatment oh my god i don't think anybody should get that treatment even yeah even like rose tico characters where you just don't like them at all is like no no i don't do that no need to beat them to a pulp and spit on their corpses there's some it's a bit much i guess the question is what so abby shouldn't get that and it's like oh no why would you why would you question that in such a way are you making me rerun my whole principled system uh pp poo poo an objectively great movie was john wick two pp poo poo poo poo pee pee another great movie was john wick three well i mean if you can make you can deliver a message like that i really don't see how we could possibly say that uh it's we're clearly dealing with someone whose intellect far surpasses our own hi rags hey who's a dirty dog oh i am i am oh they ended with no bone for you damn oh my goodness um thank you for this efeb near the end of the work day really helps hi rags oh hey there and uh a lot of it does help hopefully next one soon ish buy out of wilds which we keep getting recommendations for that game a lot of people talk about the wilds yeah gonna have to check it out some i remember i think i checked the steam page i need to do it again now because so many people saying again it's like i mean if this many people talk about a thing it must be good right right that's how it works i think the math checks out on that one sweet um have you considered reviewing the related medias what if star wars episode three was good well i mean i asked that question to myself all the time what if episode three was good i mean if there um if there's a video where they just sort of go through their ideas on how to you know fix up the writing and the prequels i was probably not the kind of thing we would cover on efeb because uh you know we would probably just that's the kind of thing we would end up talking about i imagine we'd be like hey what about our ideas how to make a good tizm about death and we talked about i mean that's what our attack of the clones efeb was largely based around was you know the changes we'd make and where it went wrong and stuff we often like to try and suggest uh improvements kind of like the critique series i make try and take some opportunities to be like you know you could have just done this just saying it's valuable to come up with examples of good things to contrast them with the bad things criticize yes ye and that's how jesus gets to that's it's good yes doody doody poody damn it mola how dare you make super chat catch ups interesting to watch as an audio only it makes it hard to sit through oh it's that it's that third age gameplay that really uh that really sells them i was i was sort of like you really i mean third age is that good all right i mean i i you know it's it's cool visuals all lord the rings tizms but um yeah i hope it's not too bad without the audio uh hey chat how are you enjoying lord the rings third age gameplay in the background hey is it good okay good i'm glad they're enjoying it it's good um ever played the lost of us two i hear it's called great writing i have played it i have what a coincidence that they would ask that yeah it uh it's like i don't know what's primed him to ask this question like it's been in the new the gaming sphere recently i dare i say it's almost suspicious have you mentioned it have you talked about it have you uh i mentioned it three weeks ago i said the last of us two is a game so i must have prompted the super chat that makes sense i don't know who could disagree with that um or you could just publish a book the ryan johnson way and buy a piece of cover art that has nothing to do with the contents of the book i uh i wouldn't know about that ryan johnson has released books has he he bought a piece of cover art that has nothing to do with the book apparently uh again i don't know nothing about it sounds interesting yeah here someone in chat's gonna have to fill me in on that one i don't know anything about it um rest in peace red letter media what do you think of the drama what drama rest in peace i mean it says our lamb drama that wouldn't be anything else right yeah that's the only thing i can think of for our oh are they talking about um the thing with william shatner oh i haven't seen that yet what's going on with it so it's just embarrassing it's uh i guess someone sent william shatner like a clip of a video from red letter media to saying that he should like do a podcast with them or or an interview with them i guess and he was like i don't do podcast shit and like the video he was talking about was nerd crew he was like i don't do that parody yeah he didn't realize there's a parody and he said that um red letter media like make fun of you know people for shilling apparently and yet look at their fucking set it's filled with toys yeah and it's like oh no and yeah it's definitely like it's just everyone's referring to like boomer moments and stuff um but of course uh they they try to clarify and i guess mike thought it'd be funny if he said like uh because he said like we i don't want to do podcast with them and of course they don't they don't consider what they do to be podcasts all of it is like a show i guess or yeah and it's highly edited yeah like it's it's very much crafted what they do oh yeah yeah it's it's not even though they're doing that stuff like quote unquote live unscripted it takes more than that a podcast to make yeah because like what we do i would absolutely consider it because it's it's as is is streamed and then placed down yeah you can listen to it it's all live it's all kind of just it goes with a flow wherever we're not going to go back and edit this and cut things out and add things um and so his response on twitter i believe was uh what's a podcast like as the red letter media account i think he said he wanted to do it for funnies which probably wasn't the best idea because it just confused people even more apparently there's like loads of back and forths and he like looked into the channel more and the video that was recommended was their review of star trek the original motion picture which is actually a video red letter media would want him to to sort of use as a gauge of um their quality and i think they make a joke about patrick stewart near the beginning and um like william shatner was unhappy with it he was like no i think he called them a gist as well which they totally are but like it's funny the old people jokes are like a thing i i hear from william shatner but no well yeah this is a thing you just watched the video they go over it all it's just it's just funny but of course it ends with like uh william shatner's like posting pictures of like mike while it during nude crew stuff and being like he's like it's like embarrassing and then obviously he doesn't get that his parody of mike i think at the end is like i i don't i don't like the william like captain uh kirk is making fun of me on twitter like it's so weird weird fucking willed um yeah it's pretty funny and i guess sad at the same time but uh easily solvable i guess drama if you want to call it that i don't know uh some lack of understanding and miscommunication it's a shame it's a shame thoughts on the nurse ratchet series coming to netflix soon i just heard about it and it made me one mad boy rags hi hey i have no i've not heard of nurse ratchet the series at all and i'm assuming there's a reference to uh plank no uh one for the cuckoo's nest but like but i don't know if it is that or not now i come kind of like what what would they be making it i don't even know where to begin i should probably just google it i've not heard of it is my point because i did i did what's going on with that one but okay um yeah i guess i'll uh make a note i'm interested because if it is about one flu the cuckoo's nest i want to know about it oh my god is it iconic villain oh it's gonna be played by sarah polson yeah apparently that's a real thing okay you're asking people are asking how much i've had to drink and the answer is none have you been giving them reason to assume you've been drinking apparently at least one person is asking huh no not not even has rags been drinking how much has he had to drink yeah he's he's he's getting hung up on the details um it's never too late to start though or it's never too early to start yeah i guess we'll see what happens with that show assuming it's a show or a movie um e-fap more like poof woof woof oh nice got him got us e-fap more like puffs woof woof why is the two different accounts so what what do we what do we do isn't it poof poofs woof woof woof because they're it's both a consonant two vowels and a consonant but they're pronounced differently i mean poof and woof i think because the dog doesn't go woof well maybe they don't care woof um here's another high rags i saw your face for the first time you're one handsome homo sapien oh thank you very much that that was just my honor though i'm not a homo sapien myself i'm a felis domesticus represent i'm almost caught up i started at one watched the minis the movies the gaming and the e-u i'm at e-fap 90 hi rags hi man it's quite it's quite a journey to make now going from e-fap one to is such that there's so many arcs there's so much storyline it's kind of hard to keep track of old characters too yeah yeah but at least the budget has stayed the same you know like they haven't they haven't lost uh production values they're all pretty much the same except that well we have those those raid shadow legend sadds at the beginning you know the sponsorships but i have those super chats when you had to turn them off uh listen here dumbo is hardcore henry watch it hardcore is that some kind of a film i think is a game is that a character is that an actor and that's what they go by that's their pseudonym is hardcore henry is that a porn star you want us to watch a man called hardcore henry in a in a porn film i mean we can i think we could probably swing that if you know might not be recorded but you know we can check it out just for you knives out more like ha i subverted your expectations you thought it was going to be a hilarious gut bunching gut gut bursting busting your mama joke but i only wanted to say hi metal i did it again i'm smart ha i'm so many expectations of it but we've subverted your expectations by telling metal he had to leave oh yeah you guys thought he had to go we made him leave yeah we made it we said fuck off i sent him a message saying you are disgusting and he he said i understand and then said he had to leave i mean it's really just the natural way but i mean he agreed with us mm-hmm can't really blame us if uh it's agreed upon you know if i'm 55 plot hole j can't whistle but you're all misogynist nazi misogynist whistles when they use sexisms toward women j must learn the skill to be consistent with law high rags hey i refuse to believe there is a plot hole in efap law it all makes complete sense yep you just are you're understanding the lower wrong you you haven't subverted your expectations and you're all mad because you don't understand what's happening you need to familiarize yourself with the sacred texts yes oh my god i just opened a chest and they gave me alegost stuff like why would i why in the world no wonder they locked it down here in moria no they had to use for it saving a zebra zebra is a genius character trait for the last of us to absolutely there's no question you saw that right it was in part two do you remember when he saved the zebra yeah i saw him saw him save fucking zebra he's such a good person he is saved the zebra you know most people wouldn't save the zebra they were just fucking eat it because it's the post apocalypse and those people are bastards what do zebra steaks were striped like they're striped on the inside too yeah i feel like they do that and so we're like monster hunts are probably just be like hey yeah a little icon for your for your inventory and someone will be like that's offensive and most hunter wouldn't give a fuck because they most yeah monster i nearly died monday thanks for putting a smile back on my face love you massives i'll love you too i hope whatever nearly killed you didn't do any permanent damages or anything and i'm glad it nearly killed you and didn't kill you though yeah that's that's that's where i stand on the subject uh many crime drama shows who did it halfway through or even at the beginning of the whole thing that's the other thing um i haven't seen a huge amount of who done it's but i feel like there must be some that have done what ryan johnson did before the giveaway something pretty huge early in terms of like you have the answer and at the end they're like no you didn't actually have the full answer i can't be that new but um the idea of having done it i don't think should just give you a free pass to oh your film is good now because you tried that it's like but how well did he execute it though we talk about that and it's like low that's in the bar awfully uh awfully high evening gents what franchise do you think modern cinema will ruin next my money's on back to the future also high rags give yourself a head pat no thank you i shall and yeah all right back to true is definitely in danger um i guess can we say uh ghost busters or has it already been ruined well i would probably i would more just judging from the trailer for the ghost busters film which i think looks so much better than 2016 oh absolutely will probably be considering it like a fuck me that's probably gonna be really bad isn't it just because of how everything goes it's probably gonna be horrible just because of how everything goes but then you know conversely uh the lord of the rings tv show that's something i'm very concerned about lord of the rings has gone pretty morbidly curious about it no ruin it it'll be terrible of course lord of the rings has been perfect for ages and well hyperbolic perfect obviously see i had to clarify it the guy in the video didn't clarify it even said not to be hyperbolic but it's perfect it's like way what um so yeah i got big concerns for lord the rings i think everyone does love to see what happens with that one also gremlins and back to the future are very uh likely to it's sad this movie is so bad we could use more murder mystery stories going on or mystery stories going on i remember enjoying the remake of murder on the orient express the movie fails on every level as a mystery though i hate it damn well yeah i mean i can't help but agree like everything that they're trying to achieve in knives out is crippled by something being really fucking stupid which is kind of a big deal in a murder mystery the one genre that if anything else apart from maybe a documentary should adhere the most towards logic and reason so interesting choice for ryan it's like the last kind of fucking genre you think should be tackling every time i saw the two cops i thought generic white guy generic black guy well i mean their characters were um one of them is like a super fan of media and pop culture the other one is like you're every man he's the most every man every man character he's just reacting to everything in a very normal way so that they go their characters appreciate them um the kid is probably just a run-of-the-mill's conservative for all we know well that's the thing we don't know anything about him really they just yeah all right and he doesn't do anything really political i mean he could have gone really overboard with this guy but he didn't so i guess it would have been even worse if they made him over the top why have it oh yeah it's pretty much my point yeah why have such a tiny little role it's thing there's too many characters for this film they just don't flesh them out well enough it's like why bother just arrived plan on covering just right uh well we may haps perchance be covering the last of his two videos and i've heard he tries to make a very strong argument in favor of the game so it'll be interesting to have a look see oh my goodness oh yes two rags what is your episode of monk and why is it mr monk takes his meds i don't know if they were trying to say what your favorite episode is oh i i can't remember it's been ages since i've watched that show have y'all seen netflix's kingdom it's a 10 hour 1500s korean game of thrones familiar characters and mixes the main two political and horror stories better no i had no idea uh yeah i've not seen it i'm not even really heard of it uh but it sounds like it could be cool oh you know i gotta get my my people's upgraded before they fucking die fucking dead full candidate who can dude one uh oh idriel you're looking close to dad she's like impossible i am overpowered and immortal well that's the thing i haven't upgraded her immortal powers only her other powers which turns out not the smartest thing to do who default op both in and out of universe of uh kingdom is pretty cool but you dumb boz have an obligation to see hard for henry oh no they really want that porn to be seen i guess you know one day we're just going to give in watch some porn can be weird but you know so it goes the kid sounds like a drone yeah that'd be another element to maybe uh give a way out for future videos get it sound a bit more uh into it i don't know um ransom was singled out by the story in such a way that made him obviously important so he was clearly the killer i was hoping he was a red herring i agree i mean that's kind of when we learned that he was the big bad we were like oh okay yeah being immortal is a useless powerball of yeah i guess you gotta have something else you know that's how i feel about it what's the point that was the thing that was a thing knives out was good but it's really just a knock off of ruthless people the classic danny devito movie uh tlj was a total pooch screw i i'm afraid i have to disagree with the statement that knives out is good nope i have to give that a big thumbs down saying it um but yeah fair enough i hope if he's got danny devito in it it's probably good oh the way devito handles wrong numbers in ruthless people epic i've not seen it but uh good stuff this one just says greetings hello oh hi ryan johnson masterfully craft crafted is an oxymoron maybe one day you know maybe one day good ol ryan will come on through and make something that just blows us all away how about that you can do it you can do it ryan you can do it this kid is better than the lord of the this kid it's better the lord of the rings um well he's like all right then no anadei amas made me a lifetime mr skin member oh that's the thing from um 40 year old virgin right and i'm pretty sure it's like a real thing too it's like um uh encyclopedia of like movie and tv show nude stuff at least i think that's how they explain it because they're gonna make that in 40 year old vision but then turns out there's a different one that exists but yeah all right fair enough encyclopedia of nude scenes and films i think so like uh because that's what they're trying to make hmm that seems like a thing that a bunch of origins would do i mean why not in it it could probably make quite a quite a bit of money off something like that making yeah maybe people always want to see the nude scenes from films and stuff and sometimes that's where you could see naked celebrities so yeah uh we could bring max over set him on the long path oh the the guy we're going i mean sure yeah make a video that's 10 minutes long do it i mean nice and long can't wait for the ifa bully the kid re luckily rags has some experience on the situation um rags you could you beat children up regularly it's not something you do yeah whenever i see him in the street i gotta run away really quick then they ever catch me i bite him in the ankle and then i just i take one of their shoes off not both of them just one because you only need to take the one more i'd love to see you and jeremy from geeks and gamers do a live stream with brie larson that would be epic i would do that in a hobby i think it would be really funny yeah i'd gladly do a live stream with brie larson i mean you know we joke but it probably ended pretty going pretty well as long as she's like relatively amicable i don't see why wouldn't yeah i don't want to ask you too many things that would come across as hostile and i figure i would try and direct the conversation to be more like you know just tell me what it's like in hollywood go for it so yeah good you know it could be but there's no fucking way in the world she would ever talk to me um maybe jeremy you know i heard he helped grow her channel what a legend uh when will you be doing an efap on hbomber guy's video on ruby or his climate change deniers video why in the world i have i don't know anything about climate change and i've never seen ruby yeah like there's no nothing for us to be doing about that isn't ruby like super long right now as well i don't know i don't i don't know how long the show is or how many seasons there are i always well to be honest with you if it was any anime i probably would have said that is it an anime i ruby i i spell r wb double y that's god that's that's oh yeah it's probably an anime because that's fucking stupid um that's such an anime thing to do what i have a silly name instead of something gay like the lord of the rings the lord of the rings the version ruby versus the chad lord of the rings lord of the anal rings that's what it sounds like yeah boy it's like where's the where's the problem i don't understand who just came back from watching vsauce prove that airbud should not have been allowed to play basketball because he's a dog yeah there's probably some kind of rule about species when it comes to playing basketball probably probably i'm not gonna say there is i i i wouldn't know for sure oh i would guess i would i'd guess give a strong gas you can't show dead children in gym and media so there are no children in some games it's weird to see a medieval village with only adults on it yeah ironic for the country that came up with concentration camps that's probably why they're like oh god we gotta get away from that image but uh it's funny because there's some games and i don't know if you discovered this ranks but bar show games for example where you shoot like a kid and they're like steel it'll like bounce off and you're like wow and then um i hit one with a wrench when i was playing it on back on twitch and it like made a clank sound a wrench yeah like they just made them bulletproof in universe two i hit them with something i don't know if it's a wrench in that game i i can't remember what what i hit them with uh or if it was like a hitting them with a butler gun or whatever but they it clanked and sparked and i was just like jesus that's how it works with uh with some games you get the um the last of his approach which is that when you aim your gun your character automatically puts it down like whoa i wouldn't shoot with them and you're like wouldn't i wouldn't i now i think i'll be the judge of that who's the player yeah you or me i think it's me i think i'm the player i miss age so how about you let me massacre this child drinker will you do a recommend for the thing i think he should but uh whether or not he will who knows i saw aliens when i was four and the land before time when i was six kids these days at pansies you saw aliens on the land before time i do remember watching that as a kid and that was kind of hardcore it had some scary kind of imagery in there for a kid um why would you address that before aliens um well chronologically a land before time takes place before aliens i don't think they're in the same universe i'm pretty sure that um let me see if i can remember their names so there's ducky and spike right they're always a pair hanging around spike didn't talk though ducky had to kind of do the translating work so he had little foot right he was a long neck you had sarah who is the like the only person who had a real fucking name she was a triceratops she didn't take anyone's shit she's kind of a dick i didn't really care for her we have oh one of the movies had a little baby t-rex chomper he wasn't from the original one he was from a land before time what are the sequels that was the one where you had the two vegetarian dinosaurs and they jumped into lava and it was really fucking stupid and as a kid i always thought that was dumb um there was another one journey to big water which is their name for ocean but their dinosaurs are fucking dumb so they just call it big water um they didn't even call like the like the like the roman's called the mediterranean the mare nostrum and stuff like that but yeah i don't i don't know the name of the the swimmy guys went i don't think he talked either he just made chirp and noises um there was uh let's see there was petrie petrie was the one who flew he was like a little pterodactyl he had brothers and sisters uh canonically i think i don't know if the other ones did too i think uh who else was there so we have ducky spike little foot sarah petrie um i'm trying to think if there was anyone else i think i think that was it i think that was uh that was our main cast and little foot is raised by his well he he's taken care of by his grandparents because his mom and dad got fucking killed in the first one uh it was pretty pretty metal not gonna lie uh let's be confused with male commander right oh yeah totally different things uh totally different things i would be curious to rewatch him i know i uh you and i are gonna rewatch little nemo at some point because i want to see you know how that holds up and how it is based on you know now i'm an adult and everything's well mostly an adult i'm technically an adult technically i'm still a fucking goofball i have to grow old but it doesn't mean i have to fucking grow up fuck thatch too true yeah so what's what's about aliens oh just that they saw it when they were four apparently which i don't know how you even like understand it if you can't say i recommend yeah i don't see but i don't think you get the you wouldn't get a lot of appreciation for all like the character work and the many arcs and stuff and you're four you probably watched land before time and get more out of it real um yeah so um sort of the little foot was an orphan is like he was made an orphan however he was he had grandparents to take care of him and if you're raised by your grandparents you're not an orphan like even grandparents has the word parents in them so that still counts both in technicality and in the principle of they're the parents of your parents so they're like super parents they're grand parents you might even say neat very i can see you would definitely want to go to the next super chat i can tell i was interested to hear about little foot the grand parents orphanage little oh yeah he he went to go live with his um i think the great valley is where they go to so it's basically like remember uh dreamworks made that movie dinosaur with alladar and the monkeys yeah i do i just now everyone else is thinking of it too wasn't that didn't it like not do too great i can't remember i don't think so i think money wise i guess but yeah um drink it how's the weather back in scotland i'm sure it's uh probably pretty pretty cold drizzly perhaps who could really know does anyone really has anyone even been to scotland i don't think so that's a good land disappearing die more often you bastards i want to cast more spell he's not playing the last of us two guys oh look at their health i wonder if someone has like made a body count for the last of us two not that that would be like thematically relevant or anything no i mean if there was one person you'd spare it'll be the one that you started the whole rampage for right oh yeah that would make sense i mean i wouldn't go through all that shit just to get at the end and stop i mean that would be that was a ridiculous thing especially because i've killed like hundreds of people along the way it would be i would never yeah yeah i certainly wouldn't be worried about them seeking out revenge for me not that they have a history of seeking out revenge at great lengths and distances and don't you love stories i certainly writing is amazing and wonderful watch the ot with my mother for the first time a few days ago really should have got to them sooner she has to y'all keep being long and girthy oh we'll do our best and i'm glad you checked him out good shit it holds up really well yes do very do uh mollet remember when will class bullshit has told you i don't understand why people want the snider cut justice league is six out of ten and better than man of steel and bam of a superman i really don't remember that happening what did i say because justice league was really bad and if you ask me what should i think is the worst out of man of steel bam of a superman justice league i would say easily justice league like it's not even like whoa you know like a big whoa big whoa dude like you guys know whenever i say big whoa i'm very serious so it's a definition 1a of orphan would include little foot like no it wouldn't someone who someone who has grandparents who take care of them is not an orphan they've got grandparents who take care of them they function identically as parents it's like if someone is adopted they're not an orphan anymore yeah that is is that right i'm for some reason questioning my own understanding of the word orphan at this point yeah you're not an orphan if you're adopted and same thing if you're being taken care of by your grandparents and they're acting as your parents then you're not an orphan well there you go um this is simple shit people stop letting me down chat the oak with the oq i'll school them on the oq uh like i'm just gonna take advantage of this one goblin being low on health to cast all my spells because my team is gonna fucking die to a drum and die do you imagine dying to a drummer is there anything more embarrassing yeah like imagine being like if like of all the people that i wouldn't want to lose an arm wrestling contest with ringo star 800 oh gosh god i need it was a mistake not casting spells all the time with the drill isn't it it was a mistake uh keep casting company valor i guess to do the video of the koreans attempting the iron lotus in blades of glory freak me out when i saw it i was eight though so probably not the movie for me yeah that i could see how that would be pretty unsettling again though it can be anything you never really know kids can be freaked out by all kinds of things you know like night maybe for christmas you know oogie boogie oh yeah the monster hiding under the stairs fucking freaked me out well this is the thing none of it freaked me out i loved all of it but i could totally understand i love it too but i like to kind of be in i like to be in spooked a bit yeah yeah i think i think it's in the moment i was like who that's kind of scary but then it goes along with song this is halloween this is halloween and i was like yeah it's fucking halloween it is because halloween's cool which is almost as good as christmas but i mean it's it's still great halloween's great i mean yeah halloween is great i agree i agree with that portion of the statement uh i'm currently watching all resident evil movies and they are so bad i hate afterlife for copying stuff from resident evil five and just ignoring the context i rag hey god we should actually watch the resident evil movies because they do actually take stuff from the games and it's always shocking you're like oh my god that's the games isn't i can see what you're doing and it's awful oh wait i just gave a stone shield for no reason oh well we're gonna be in this fight for the rest of the fucking stream because i have to keep slowly healing my team back to you know not dead otherwise known as aliveulford brimley style do you know he asked on twitter the other day what his wrestling name should be woofer brimley yeah i'm not awesome i uh i responded the brim bomb lots of other suggestions of the brim bomb i think it works give it uh i don't know i'm trying to it was like low-cost affordable diabetes medication isn't the only thing being delivered to your door the best um wow this is so exploitable so the idea here is that um if i kill all three gobbins in front i get to attack the one in the back but only for one turn and then he spawns another three but if i just keep this one here i can just cast spells almost infinitely um you know healing and mana and protection spells and stuff so i guess i'm just gonna do that if that's okay with you go for it okay you've approved and my team is slowly getting back to full everything it's kind of funny right who's not got a stone shield um i saw movibob when i was 23 and it traumatized me oh gonna watch when you show a child movibob for the first time on youtube it can can do some serious damage hi rags still never forgot forget the bully hunters no yeah i i don't forget the bully hunters nobody i think that was the first video i made in uh in not movie maker if you can believe it good times ryan johnson what a poof name woof woof damn uh woof woof i don't know that huck sounds like a poof woof what does this mean i feel like about the loop hmm if you're out of the loop then yeah so am i luke being a ghost was a real homo move woof woof peepo suspicious uh episode 10 ghost kylo and luke argue for hours i mean it'll probably be better than tlj and jet i attacks yeah and other things you know jet i they you know how they do talking about the stuff they talk about yeah you know it'd be like it do uh mary bang kill rock paper scissors um mary rock because i feel like a rock would always be there for me uh definitely kill scissors i think something that's designed to cut something is gonna turn on me eventually just it's just because of its nature really um i'm gonna fuck paper i could roll that up and just do all kinds of stuff with it i could fold it in a million different ways i was asked that on the last two streams and uh my answer was almost the same i said rely on the rock or you know rock's gonna be there for you um and you can poke a hole right through the paper so you can have some fun with that so that's gonna be bang i think just kill scissors i don't think i even justified i was just like kill scissors that's the exact answer that i gave moller no it's not actually you gave uh you said scissors is gonna cut you and that's why you're gonna get rid of it while i said just kill scissors so that they are different yeah we were both killing scissors yeah that's uh that's a broad stroke so you could you could say that someone who answered completely differently still answered the question couldn't you but we were being specific so very different answers we gave this you know what i mean you know what i mean when people say that you know what i mean when everyone says that i didn't know i didn't know do i know it's a different answer to what death i'm from wilshland i'm very clever i don't believe you're from wilshland at all i think that's a lie is is wailing legal where you're from well killing the welshman i get to i don't know a whale it's like it's a legal in japan you can't hunt welsh people in japan you can do it everywhere else though if two welsh people meet in japan they could legally you fight each other to the death those were welsh people go to get euthanized and it does the little sound it does that you know you know the drum sound and everything what a bizarre world we'd be living in at that point just uh it'd be difficult to explain that to anyone wouldn't it like yeah that's just how it is i don't know uh star wars episode 10 something happened you all pretend as if you wouldn't watch it you would star wars episode 10 we're gonna fix it that's the subtitle i'm gonna fix it i swear i'll do it all right my team are mostly back up in both this is how long it's taken just to get my health my armor and my my manner back up for everybody like i saw all i've been doing let's do endure flame why not the car in lord of the rings isn't a flaw because it's lord of the rings something there that has no reason to be there is a flaw in any movie um i'm sorry say that again because you might have to walk me through the logic on that one the car in the lord of the rings isn't a flaw because it's lord of the rings something's there that has no reason to be there is a flaw in any movie i don't understand that at all yeah i don't actually understand what you mean um i don't know if meme i'm stuck all the way back at wait what yeah i'm not sure about that one knives out more like poofs in woof for a million bucks would you make a kid watch cannibal holocaust yes i mean million dollars can buy a lot of therapy yeah like a few sessions you'll be fine yeah maybe you'll like it you give that kid's parents is that listen i made your kid watch cannibal holocaust cannibal holocaust cannibal holocaust and they're like oh my gosh it's so terrible it's horrible oh my god it was like but and then you fork over like 50 000 and you're like i'm sorry but hopefully this will smooth things over and of course they'll say yes because it will dude company might work on perfect mode i think that's insane this little spell i cast where i deal more damage as a result from now on it's just like on perfect mode jesus i should have known this probably oh my god restore some action points to the whole group around let's do it um did ryan movie 43 these amazing actors so movie 43 is probably some of the worst shit like we're okay it's not like that we should watch the movie 43 movie 43 is so fucking bad it's got loads of famous people in it we've talked about this before but it's so easy to forget it's basically a series of skits um and it's all with famous people and i don't know this is like a whole production nightmare behind it oh it has that really groovy looking cover i think so i don't remember it looks like a 70s sort of cover or something like that it's like weird and abstract that could be colorful i think i might know what you're talking about dude 2000 damage had hod what are you doing but each strike oh my god he's so angry jeez and that's not even a double or triple critical yeah i know he's just he's just fucking raging immune just never ordinary every day critical i just get an immune to a fire attack because of endure flame that's what it does jesus christ i should have explored more of these moves i guess i'm just so busy not caring oh well what does the tool tip say for enduring flame because that seems like a really appropriate thing for a skill called endure flame to do well i'll tell you what i thought it said reduce i didn't realize it was making well i mean it's one of those they're technically correct but he's like the specifics would have really helped yes though i hate it when games do that when they don't give you specific tool tips it's like i'm not an idiot just tell me what the fucking thing does i'll do this ability makes you do more damage is like fuck her tell me how much one percent five percent ten just just 300 percent you're like oh i'll take it yes he reduces flame damage done to the group and she said immune seems like quite the reduction again not exactly inaccurately right oh oh you missed your bastard my wife did a racism she thought you was the spiffing Brit sorry you had to suffer the loss of us too you sir our gentleman on a scholar oh hi rags oh hey there um yeah that's okay British racism isn't is still allowed you're still allowed to do that so keep at it while you can more rags i'm drunk i feel like i'm spinning what are your opinions on pull blot mull cop i remember laughing at it it's fucking terrible but i remember laughing at it in this dumb what the fuck is this kind of way um i think i watched it i don't remember hating it if that's with anything yeah i haven't watched paul blart mull cop to electric boogaloo or whatever it's called so i don't know if it's any good or i don't know anything about it other than it exists well here goes to start um mirror on bit shoot well we actually got past it with opera that saved us it's all good thanks opera yes congratulations opera you saved the yeah but you weren't that great in um a wrinkle in time you weren't i didn't can't say i was a fan opera you know i'm gonna agree with that one 110 percent hi efab i'm the guy who makes oh yeah we did read that out um yes we did making the ring and uh yeah we did indeed wonderful excellent news very happy for you awesome tisms a historic occasion in efab history destroying art creating relationships efab the way forward whoa dude i could have farmed that fight and just leveled up fully probably yeah let me kill so many people do you think that they didn't think that much about balance in this game is that what you're saying no they clearly that balanced the balance out with balancing that's at least what i've taken away from playing this definitely and honestly i'm i'm fine like if i'm reviewing a game and that was a thing in a game where technique like if you use skill like i suppose you could get to max rank in the skyrim tutorial cave you could get you could max rank up and like a bunch of skills get into 100 but it's so time consuming and tedious yeah i think i'm a bit existing yeah i was like i'm fine with you being able to do that if you for whatever ungodly reason wanted to do it i think yeah the very presence of it would probably invite people to be like you know what i wonder if i could actually do it and then they make the youtube video you know getting to 100 sneak in the tutorial bear cave or something like that talk i was just like why though it's like why because i well their sneak is at 100 and in doing so they've lost track of their lives it's funny there's a lot of things like that with humanity like why do they do it it's like literally because they can like it's just yeah there's a there's a guy and i've watched his videos on can you complete all of the starcraft 2 campaigns without losing a single unit and i'm like damn like i don't i haven't played starcraft 2 in ages i don't have any emotional connection to it but i'm like this is so fucking impressive that someone did this yeah like the strategies that are involved and how to do it and each individual mission and stuff like man kudos to the people who just have the fucking time to do this stuff and you see that with runs in pokemon too you see people doing pokemon runs with can you beat pokemon using only this or never healing or just these crazy challenges and i'm like man god bless you for doing this just thank god so that now we know it can be done that's crazy you thought i was merely pretending to be retarded but i was actually retarded all along also high rise hello see you didn't expect me to say the expected that's true i didn't expect to see the expected oh my god i found a golden belt buckle that's a three and a half star this early into the game oh oh what oh my god look at it look at those beautiful stats 13 speed what is speed what is speed doing this game i can only well let's have was addiction elvish speed speed speed how do i my attributes help no that no no wait so i can't actually see what speed does until i can upgrade it i guess cool once i can upgrade it i will read out what the tool tip for speed says okay i'm gonna i'm gonna treat your silences and okay yeah i am in total approval uh anyone watch trago makes funny short usually two to four minutes videos about filmmaking would give them all a run for youtuber with best voice oh my god what about me i i was that's what i was very approachable down to earth voice no it's very rude to just just throw around i mean the co-host is right here you might even call it the cost just to save time cost the helico the elagos you call helico cola things that nobody would play as it's upsetting to me because when my brother and i played through third age i was first player and so they're like okay listen these characters are horribly unbalanced what we're gonna do is i'm gonna be barathor because i'm first player but i get to walk around and get like the extra xp and stuff or walking around and you could control idril and hadhad because they're just so much better than the other options yeah wait does i mean do you replace barathor eventually then or you get um more win or whatever name is do you replace him with her is no i always kept barathor yeah because his um when you unlock like maximum moves with him he has like that five strike move it does do quite a shit ton of damage to be honest um um yeah i don't know what trego is or trago trago or um the youtube channel i mean yeah but good stuff reminder that aliens aren't protected by the g-neva conventions oh wait i assume they would be do you think they would like it's not a fine print but in spirit what do you mean yeah in spirit in the you know maybe not in technicality besides surely they would edit that if that was to be exploited like extraterrestrial beings yeah it's it's the stuff like that isn't in the wording because we haven't found aliens yet so idril just like if there was a sentient species on earth apart from humans who are our level of development and had personhood essentially then you know the verbiage we'd use in our documents for all the legality there's just no reason to do otherwise because humans are the only thing human like you're on earth you're an inheritance issue actually happened to a friend of mine their mother owned the ranch that she spent her entire life working on and maintaining then when the her mother passed away with no will her sister took the ranch damn hmm that's what i mean about like it's probably a clear person who probably should get it based on just um anything that's going on but it gets it gets really complicated with shards with inheritance are you gonna miss again idril hmm she didn't miss also and she critted noise gets entire inheritance doesn't kick everyone out of your house dumb no she's too pure and kind i was gonna say i think they imply that she's gonna help them uh in in i think she even says it i can't remember i think i think daniel craig says it he's like she shouldn't help you guys but she will because she's nice or something like that i don't know he's just he's he's fucking fighting for her in the whole movie he's he's so certain that she's such a great person it'd be so funny if the whole time she was manipulating him when she did actually do all of this on purpose she's like oops i guess it just happened to work out this would be a great they're subverting expectations but that would show the immigrant lady to be bad which means that we can't do that minding like that's the big reveal you do all of the film it zooms into it on the um you know the thing and it's about to so it almost looks like it's gonna fade out and like yeah we did it but like music starts to play this a bit more devious and then it starts showing flashbacks of all the things she did to set all of this up it's like a really sad um like a mariachi tune but it's done really slowly that's the shining you've ever seen that the shining i haven't actually seen mm-hmm didn't they do a shining it didn't they do a shining sequel last year like sleepy uh uh mr sleep right mr sleep sleepy dr sleep is the other day but yeah i just sleepy as it came to mind oh they made uh what's it called sleepy wouldn't the government discover that marty's an illegal immigrant in the process of transferring harland's assets to her well she's not an illegal immigrant she's got uh she's naturalized but but perhaps her family in some way shape of home could be could be discovered yeah i think with the transfer of assets to that degree there is a good chance it could be discovered yes uh there's there'd be a lot of scrutiny on the family a lot of news coverage stuff like that so she will have the resources to try and try and you know extend it for as long as you can i'll get some uh loophole or avenue in yeah maybe also someone's spamming in chat when chat is nice calm and chill at this point you're only gonna get yourself booped gonna happen someone's gonna come for you it could be rags you never know he's got a he's got a big old wrench but uh you're upset and everyone else like look you're harshing their mellows i'll be doing that mellows are harshed mellows harsh mystery should be harshing mellows just wrong uh you can't spell the meta narrative without theme bobdo bobdo chipkins third rike of the shire third rike of the shire oh man i want i i i realize now i should have just been doing powers because stone shield is i but mountain shield that's where it's at what's the difference between the two so stone shield applies like i think it's like 200 shield to someone or 400 or some shit they don't give you the actual number but obviously there is an actual number um mountain shield does it for the entire team jeez it's so op and it like reduces damage to zero or something right it's really good well it's it's essentially armor and it has to be removed before their health can be hit so oh theoretically let's say your health is a thousand and the armor is 300 if they hit you for 301 you will lose one hp i see um but yeah it's very cool wow take a drink for every time he says some form of subvert expectations yeah it was the the film into video was like okay it's just loads of stuff in there that like i don't know i probably want to clarify with him and be like is that really the problem what was it this and then also talk about knives out because my god like dude film isn't quite as tight as you may have thought i can't believe you called all those payoffs like amazing what the fuck he had the dude uh the reaction of him doing the thing was like oh he did it for the yeah like explain tell me why you did this it makes sense because he mentioned that his name was you yes of course that answers the question entirely more your tasted games is perfect i like someone saying that as a result of seeing the third age on screen that's good shit i would love to watch this efab but i still haven't seen the movie yet anyways here is some money moopa and hello metal drinker and everybody's favorite doggo ragas hello um yeah return but i would actually recommend that if anyone hadn't seen the film we probably just said this at the beginning was like go watch it and then watch this and see what you think rather than well fuck it it's too late now to just go watch the movie again and re-watch the efab and see what you think i don't know there's some some we should have we should have set them a efab homework shouldn't we it's not bad make sure you do your efab homework we should be watching this you must see it yourselves otherwise you'll be considered a bad to them double critical whoa shit rags will you marry me um i don't i don't want to that's thing i don't want to come across as being like too exclusive to one person you know i feel like there's enough rags to go around rags is like a club membership for many people you know yes i can't just be saying like nah it's just us it's like oh you can't be doing that it's mean no no get angry cops and or donut operator on efab yeah sure let us do it definitely a fan of some of their stuff that i've seen do uh make art great again i agree do it do it next a divorce by super chat haven't we had someone super chat in that they got a divorce i feel like we've actually had that i don't know if they were joking but i'm sure yeah we have i think i think we've had that yeah wasn't it the meme there was like a guy who said he watched efab at his wedding and then we were like lol that's probably not a good indication of some stuff yeah i haven't got that that he was like also we got divorced i kind of yeah i think that's a thing that happened uh then again i mean if you know how women are with ceremonies and they want everything to be big me i don't even want to if i do get married god forbid if my life goes horribly wrong and i end up marrying of someone and they want to have this i i don't want to have a ceremony and get to have a fucking buffet table and things like that i just don't i don't want to do any of that i'm just like yeah we're married now you have a dinner at our house i don't know i've never been one for ceremony you don't uh need marriage you know you can just you can just you can just do the thing where you're like let's go on holiday spittle buddy of that instead do it huh well look can i marry and then divorce you you can keep the super chat money but i'm keeping the dog no no i think the dog should have a say in this if personally i just i just feel like i brain inspiration no that's a bad one to get next gift of collateral that would have been a good one boo there's aura of the valicy once i get that it's game over for the ballerock i don't know if i can get it in time and you won't do it i love you rags will you marry me another one of the i like i said before i mean i i don't want to be the kind of person who i just think that there's a lot of rags to go around i think i'm capable of what what is it called polyamory let's give that a shot i want to be polyamorous with all of my all of my amazing fans polygamy you shall engage in until the end of time i'm gonna make the smart business decision by recognizing publicly that if i commit to one person that rules out everyone else i want to keep stringing people along for as long as i can okay then i'll bite the bullet we need the rejection more would you marry me i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and say uh negatory for uh all of the reasons i don't need to say them i don't need to explain them because they were so obvious you see i've learned a lot from cosmonaut variety you know you just need to tell people that the reasons are obvious and that you'd go through them but you don't have the time rags i want a divorce did you get married to this person no they might they're probably referring to the divorce like a divorce with their spouse like they currently have a spouse and they're thinking of divorcing like they want you to you know do the divorce like you i don't think i'm legally allowed to do that i think there's like a process well uh yeah well we'll try and get you you know officialized or whatever the term is in order to do it that'll be a main goal of e-fab i suppose getting rags in a position where you can divorce people that seems like considering everything we do here i feel like that's very important hmm it seems to match thematically with what we do i mean you know reviewing youtube videos about movies it seems to be some truth to that you know uh when do we get a jeffrey eppstein murder mystery i'd watch it jeffrey eppstein murder mystery i feel like it could be pretty good there probably will be one the documentary yeah probably if it doesn't inspire stuff like that or if it already hasn't then yeah i can see how that would you fuck a cactus or amy schumer amy schumer yeah because i feel like here's the thing i don't want to i don't want to fuck up my dick with like needles and shit and you might be thinking yeah but it's amy schumer well here's the thing if i close my eyes then the inside probably doesn't feel like horrible like a cactus yeah it doesn't feel like i'm rubbing my cock against a cactus you know like i'll probably i'd probably be able to come in amy schumer i don't think i'd be able to come inside of a cactus that's probably the most disappointing i don't like it i mean i like the you know obviously i was but no i think i'd be okay i wouldn't brag about it to my friends neither would i brag about fucking a cactus maybe like it needs to be like i guess you can do that but man your dick must be there is a clarification that they wish to to deliver some cacti are soft yeah but aren't the outsides like spiny and stuff uh i guess there was no rules in this question you could probably just you know pluck them off make sure uh still though that's that that's a lot of hmm hmm that's i still i guess i'll still go with amy schumer over a plant my god it's okay chat it's okay you'll recover from this news uh rags please sing chorus to bomb joe v's living on a prayer in uncart plot's voice but instead of saying we're halfway there say we're one quarter portion there um okay could you paste that in chat just so i know uh what i'm saying and whatnot strange request the suspense i just second i'm i'll just get in the just listening to him again just so i got the voice down so i'm singing uh do you live on a prayer the line you know we're halfway there but i sing a a quarter portion there but then but then there's a little part after it he's like oh we're halfway there well living on a prayer so should i come up with something thematically appropriate like like oh like oh we're a quarter portion there oh bring me that droid there or something like that i don't know i gotta think of i gotta think of um um yeah it could be um yeah we can do that so bring me one quarter portion so oh we're halfway there well we're a quarter so i guess we go um whoa we're a quarter portion there whoa bring me that droid there does he say bring me that droid there nobody wants the droid for many portions so it just seems appropriate it does i agree hey rags what what sounds more what sounds like it would hurt more these wag jaws more often pierce the jugular versus these claws slash with deadly effect it's a hidden save them one more time so i got perfect mode and it's like you unlock more perfect mode things the more the higher your level is the first one's arrow volley and it just fires arrows like yeah that makes sense lethal clawing these claws will tear with the great wounds and you're like okay and then the next one is these wag jaws will pierce the jugular you're like whoa and the next one is these claws slash with deadly effect like why don't you just tell me what it does what and you look in the top left and it says it's a hint why are you giving me a hint about my moves yeah this what was i saying just a moment ago i hate it when games don't give you proper explanations for the shit that they are like tell me what it does tell me does it do base damage of this does it apply this effect how many targets does it hit tell me what my shit does don't leave these ambiguous easy to misinterpret descriptions of what my attacks do especially if it's perfect mode and i need to make that shit count and then all i have to go on is like well should i just go with the most expensive one that's probably the one that does the most damage right yeah i mean and a lot of stuff you just do the one that does the most damage because this is something that i really don't like about a lot of turn based stuff is that generally a lot of the you just all you do is just the one that does most damage because it's turn based game so you just want to kill them before they kill you yeah that's the preference but the bite sounds so much better than the clawing but the clawing is more expensive so it's like i guess i'm going with clawing let's see what it does oh boy here we go 2500 that's fine not impressed because because i'm i'm just fucking fucking around in gildworth too right now and i'm looking at all my abilities and and you're like like you get ability you get how long it takes to cast one second or sorry half a second it recharges in 25 seconds gives you the the name of it nightfall it gives you description call down a glowing column of shadows that damages and conditions foes every pulse this skills unique for game mode it gives me how much damage does it do it applies blindness for two seconds and there's going to be four stacks of those right because it happens at every pulse there's going to be four pulses where it cripples cripple lasts for two seconds it tells you what cripple does it says boons converted to conditions maximum before there's five maximum targets there's four pulses that occur every two seconds with a radius of 360 and it creates a combo field for dark it's like see you're telling me what this shit does so even before i ever use it in my head i see exactly what it does i'm like you know what there you go that there i i know what i'm getting into and then this is like hint it'll hit them like oh and i was like yeah does damage just every replace every ability with help you win game dude if you got my stream you just fucking dodge the face attack when it clearly hit him this is like i don't know fuck dodged why are we this why are the same people that rip tlj a new one praising knives out hi rags hi in fairness just right praise them because they don't have a standard is why they don't have a standard to operate on i mean i'd agree with that i was just so very simple it really is it's basically like doesn't make sense for starters like i we don't we don't want to set the bar too high here on every frame of pause it comes across as like it can't be that simple it's like no it's that's basically you know you would think that you would think that die stupid troll that was probably racist to me i'm sorry all right don't dodge this this time otherwise i'll be mad well you dodged it you dodged twice what the fuck how you dodging this is fucking bullshit fuck it's fucking raw raw raw it's fucking raw it's fucking raw uh-oh i'm a little spooked i could kill him in my next move but i also don't want to risk it so i'm gonna resurrect my precious man person beretaur god of the citadel there's a long way from the citadel to be a guard of the citadel i i feel like everyone at the citadel is like where the fuck is beretaur here's a guard of the citadel and they're looking at their wrist sundials or whatever they use in medieval land like shit it is it is late for his this is just like beretaur he's probably running around moria where some elf babe just like him fucking typical beretaur honestly typical beretaur kind of guy that you just you would not hang out with you'd be like oh here he comes he's like guys can i talk to him i just want to tell you about my girlfriend you're like yeah the elven yeah i get it oh she's so perfect look at her with her she can run around you fuck you and and then he gets really up sexy doesn't get why everyone hates him it's kind of sad actually uh-oh i'm actually gonna i'm gonna have to heal my stupid characters before getting to the save point this guy sounds like carlos from og resineval three all the ladies love my sexy south american accent i never played og resineval three but i wouldn't know um but i guess they mean filmento sounds like that chase uh yeah i don't know man i got so many belt buckles to choose from whenever i think of a video game character talking about how they're appealing to ladies i always think about sergeant johnson who as he says i know what the ladies like he pulls the charging handle of a minigun on the back of a pelican the women like the miniguns on the back of pelicans no no he got he got a tank he got a tank for his yeah the women like tanks because kurtana says you never he never gets thanks for the tank he never gets me anything to chief he's like i know what the lead for the record grayhound was a pretty good war film i have not seen it recognize grayhound ranks um that's like you know you asking me that is like me asking you uh do you recognize human well like under the context of the previous sentence of film oh yeah that's right context matters um no i don't damn and there's a cute little little doggo sticker i like it uh they break in and golf club the code breaker djl dd joel i mean i was like it'd be pretty good to me uh red light media greater than efab they got rich evans you got j they have a j2 well you know what we do we do the best with what we've got all right yeah it's great most you know movie reviewing semi regular show things have a j like oh yeah j j does his best all right everybody has to have a j it's how you qualify otherwise you know if you don't have a j can you really be considered official i don't think so when dj over here is fin and po po does not know holders plan to use stealth ships here go dj has no info to trade the fo um i think po says they're loading the ships the transport ships and so you only need a bit of inference to then tell the first order well they could be going to the gray havens well i mean either way that's his information the god transports hey why don't you use a scanner to reveal anything that's hiding like oh my god what a great idea let's do that and then they did it and then he got loads of money for coming up with that genius fucking idea you need a dj on on every ship to tell the captain to just do things that you think would be normal uh where are we the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be unnatural is it possible to alert this power not from a skywalker what's worse a bad movie being defended poorly or a good movie being attacked poorly uh they're both equal i was going to say i can't really spot the difference there so it's the same effect right in both times you're like ech oof ish go up it in the clone wars java has a gay or trans cousin called zero the hut just thought you should know this why is it gay or trans it seems like because that's that's the hut so the zero stands for zero genders zero genders uh the hue you twist probably translated very well in non-english countries oh yeah i wonder how that goes i guess they would just keep the name as hue like everything else is translated except hue yeah i can't imagine they would trade it out for a an ethnically appropriate name that also runs with you that that rhymes with you yeah at least i'd imagine maybe maybe they did hue did this is officially worse than martha um what do you think rags is that one more time uh hue did this is worse than martha martha did this that's what she says he's like martha did this no the um the the batman vs superman thing you know the oh i know i know i was just saying that thought for a moment um it's not fun anymore it was very short-lived um hmm i think the martha thing's worse so if you break them down you have superman and batman's mothers both happen to be called martha so that's a big coincidence to start off secondly superman is like damn batman wants me dead like more than anything that's pretty nuts i guess i give up i'm gonna die i need to tell him to save my mom but instead he says save martha which is weird you'd think he'd say save my mother which by the way would fix that scene pretty hardcore because it's way more humanizing to hear him say save my mom um but no instead he says save martha and batman of course wouldn't know who the fuck martha is and so batman is like huh save martha and i love dude i absolutely love that in his head he thinks superman might be referring to his mom he's like why would you say that name what's wrong with you so he just flips out and then as as mike put it he's like like she runs into the screen low slain she's like martha's mommy's name it's like oh so it's pretty bad uh that whole thing compared to you did this you did this i do feel like they're in the same ballpark but i think i would side with bvs being worse on that one yeah that's how i'm feeling on it okay everyone let's answer a real question how many quarter portions would it cost for star wars weed how about weed in lord of the rings stuff is strong do they sell death sticks and portions that's how they not like ounces or anything it's water weed i don't know oh right did you fucking i just remembered because of the weed thing um in the first part of philosophers to stream remember when i entered the weed room and they played sad music because it was dead yeah i don't remember the music i remember that part though where you get to the weed room yeah you enter the room uh they realized like oh the weeds all dead the music's like no no it's like no the weed it's like okay i feel like there are bigger issues the dead weed isn't really a big problem but fair enough like the weed though huge ass huge cox in my ass huge erection huge more so okay so huge cox in my ass does not work all right huge cox in my ass it yeah well if you say it like that huge cox in my ass i gotta do it the exact way it's written because that will show the talent for my ass you know like he's gotta do it he's gotta you gotta gotta you gotta put them together you know you gotta you gotta get me to say it that way i got it gotta stick to the rules otherwise it makes it too easy for him you know you can't be having that huge more amount humongous q g cabbage baggins q j scrotes why did this happen why why why so many people doing this i don't know was there a part of the stream where we did u g scrotes yeah it was just scrotes and the ball brothers u g scrotes scrotes is such an unfortunate say they was that ass is like adam sacks or something like that like dick willy or something um shaft jones or something tfa little wicked oh wait that was actually some tfa part three was awesome well worth the wait looking forward to august 2021 high rags kick j etc etc oh hello and yeah i'm glad you enjoyed it uh you are it was that guilty because because of you are guilty i guess oh wow now not me why i don't think they meant you specifically um also just just fucked it up one one moment oh boat uh you will admit john wick the second is pretty good no no i think after we watched uh we watched the third and then we watched the second i think the seconds worse yeah we concluded the second was worse uh i thought the third was worse but then i rewatched the second i was like wow second one's really bad i'm sorry guys more red pills coming from efep central oh my god they're pretty bad the first one's good the second and third are pretty fucking terrible mm-hmm like remember the plot of the second one revolves around john just being ret content to being a fucking idiot yes uh he doesn't understand the fucking rules of the universe for no reason just like oh i love how they're explaining it all to us by explaining it to him fucking job wick like he's he's the last person in the world this is news to him um seven out of ten for me i still love knives out even with its many floors so swing away you can't change my subjective opinion oh and high rags um hello uh i don't know i think we can change your subjective opinion yeah it's good but i'd be curious to know what brings it up so high to give it a seven to you knowing how much the plot and like the the mystery elements of the mystery movie fall apart maybe they're saying that even with all of that they still get a feels of about a seven out of ten i don't know maybe uh hello moron rags hello hey rags which character do you like the most from arc knights i don't know what arc night is but i can take a look could you spell that uh okay arc with a k and then uh knights well okay so ar and then knights as in medieval oh i'd have to get back to you and i don't know if it's an anime thing i don't know why must it always be i don't know anime is not really my thing honestly i'd have to uh let's see um uh arc knight bears country so they have these this one has rabbit ears not too keen on the rabbit ears um cat ears dog ears bear ears uh hey um this game has gift of elrond restoring x amount of health and then gift of galadriel restores like almost full what are they trying to say wow wow what is that i'm offended i think i don't know texas looks kind of no no i'm going with siege she looks pretty good looking yeah i'm going with siege i like her she looks hot i like it i like how the ears match the the hair and she's you know i've got great tits and i'm gonna go with that there you go i'm not particularly really strong in my investment though so hold me to it you sub the door expectations ryan oh i get it i fucking get i follow i i i i understand uh wait i think i actually maybe that red though i'm cat i'm just kind of it's a little late my brain again is is getting to um to tizum mode you guys need to watch the nice jedi trailer by imperitol cuts the nice jedi remember when jedi were nice no mace windu was always mean he didn't give anakin the rank of jedi master he's too dangerous to be left he's too dangerous to be allowed to sit there cackling uh but yeah i've not heard of that and and i'm assuming it's like a supercut maybe of the last jedi but the nice jedi huh yeah i mean i maybe i'll check it out uh hi rags are you going to launch a teespring store yes i am i was addicted to a mobile game and spent half my income every month for a year thankfully i got out of it and stopped yep that's what the design to do i'm glad to hear that yeah i'm glad to hear you were able to get out of that get this is a thing some people might like they can rationalize it's being like no it's it's money well spent it's what i want to do with my money and it's like oh there are better ways to spend your money i swear to god it's like it's like even worse than oh i actually know simping for like a twitch thought would be way worse right because at least with the game you can see colors and lights flash and stuff yeah at least it's like yours you know and it's in a strange way and you can brag to your friends about your scores there you go that's already a plus yeah you can't brag to your friends about your scores if you're a simp because you ain't you ain't scoring do conspiracy raid is partly responsible for the demonetization of youtube to get the shills what raid is like trying to demonetize youtube things so that people would be more desperate to uh engage in promoting it i guess maybe hello mubles this is only if you want to talk about it on the topic of super chats does the good boy raggleton get a percentage of the super chats yes yeah we've got a we've got a split made up that's uh really excellent no issues uh no issues there holy cow i use the same mouse as rags and i didn't realize nito i'm all around rags hello hey yeah that g600 is legitimately amazing i really really love it um um gladly recommend it and it's like 40 bucks too and there are some mice out there who are who that are really really expensive and stuff like that but um why can't i go off yeah 40 bucks for an amazing mouse this is a nothing area boo i want the balrog to burst out of the door otherwise you're a bad game i'm actually a little bit lost right now rags where do i go um up i went up the stairs and it was a dead end you know like an end that's like there's a creature there and it's just deceased horrifying that's i'm gonna make sure and go up to that door again seems like a dull that i might click and it just sends me to a different area don't lie to me game oh my god it is this game lied to me um do you do your reaction to mani getting sniped is priceless i was i think even though it shouldn't necessarily be that was probably my favorite payoff in the whole game i uh i was very pleased it was such a great surprise because you know you play the last was two and everything keeps going wrong so like when something goes incredibly right when you didn't think it would oh like what what can i say just hot damn that's that's what i have to say about that uh i'm making a highlights video right now ah oh wow i'd i'd be very curious i feel like some of my reactions are probably gonna make it into efat memes is a good chance i uh there's some funny shit boom boom oh you dodged just uh give us a welsh will you is that will you a wow wow wow the the welsh often do the the thing where you drag out oh i'm so frustrated to listen to sometimes like um all your own people well not all of them but a lot of them but uh there's like this extended moaning on the end of a lot of words so for example with wow if if say i was saying wow because you'd slap me and i didn't see it coming or whatever and i was annoyed instead of saying wow i'd go wow uh oh yeah i got what you mean it's like oh why do you need to do that hi rags hey i recall in one of your videos stating that what joel does at the end of the last of us was horrible have you reconsidered due to the issues involving production distribution and who owns the vaccine um probably yeah i can't remember what video that was um but yeah i definitely have a lot of people that much of a lot i just didn't give it that much thought you know if you boil it literally down to kill one or or literally like save the world like like if you get to that simplistic level it's much easier but when you explore all of the situation and the context in the last of us yeah i would have done what joel did fireflies and their limits and what they actually are gonna do and what it's just they can't be trusted not to mention that they deliberately avoided asking her which is like oh that's a big that's a big no no um even if she says no right it's still it says something about them that they refuse to even ask it's like hmm and then of course you just want to see her and they refuse to let that happen they don't come through on the deal they take your supplies that you came there with which to me is fucking staggering to be honest with you yeah that's like just straight i don't even know that might have been an accident mechanically um because the cutscene is you kill the guys uh you know got the gun on you and then you pick up your supplies the implication being that had he kept pushing you out of the building you wouldn't have gotten your supplies so they they have now officially taken your supplies in the story when i don't even know if that was the intention mechanic like i said the cutscene ends with you putting it on and it's like right you're in gameplay now and you've got all your weapons but uh you can't conclude anything else can you like they took all your shit um also they punched you and knocked you out when you were trying to give CPR to ellie when she drowned like that's unacceptable there's there's there's a lot about the fireflies that and yeah and i hate the second game for ignoring every single part to Joel's uh actions or what it all means he's just like and how he doesn't explain it to ellie when he needs to and clears this all up it's just i he only needs to say what he needs to say so we can have this emotional thing we want to be in this game to just have that exit it's really shitty and um there's a nice i would call it morally ambiguous to a to a degree at the end of the first game that everyone can discuss it and really figure out what's going on there but the second game is like no it was bad like oh okay that game do the efab 100 meme is in the final stages of polish in the meantime check out the direct prequel to this meme on the meme repository spooder gaden spooder gaden there's quite a few memes that we might need to i'm not sure how i'm gonna balance this out because well you can't do another meme fap i don't think we can fit it in we got so many faps to do before 100 you know how it is guys when you're trying to jam the faps in go to get them in the time frame yeah i have to figure out a balance for that but yeah i'll try and uh grab ahold of that i'm all uh hello once there are enough fan made songs to make an efab album what would you want to call it um it's been generic like songs of efab so it sounds really funny in terms of like it sounds official but then it has efab in it hmm yeah i'd have to think about it i thought there was a lot of clever stuff that you could do that yeah i i mean similarly to how we named the fucking podcast i probably leave the community vote coming up with some clever shit uh efab greatest hits we could call it jam the faps in i mean we got the name efab from a suggestion from someone didn't we that's some that's some historical shit right there if you go to i think it's i want to say efab three maybe four but there is a top comment that says hey why don't you guys call it every frame of pause and then you can see smiler owl saying i'll i'll move it along to him and then i say yeah we'll throw that in the suggestions it's like oh my god what a fucking chad what a historical content commentism that got the name right from there even ali is mad at joel for saving her life in the last was two yeah he ruined her death you know i think she really really wanted to have a meaningful death that was extremely important to her that she had a meaningful death what a weird direction to take it honestly so odd what are you doing what are you fucking doing no no no no no efab touches on bionicle i give my immediate undivided attention dude efab the efab audience has quite a connection to bionicle it's not something i won't explain i just like it we have a bionicle in us we have a we have an understanding also georgia r martin said if he didn't finish wins wins of winter by july 29th 2020 today fans can imprison him so thinks he's a man of his word um didn't he like almost say that coronas like slowed him down or something which would be like you'd expect how the fucking corona slowed you down i know it's a man's playing with fire i don't even know why he would bother to promise a date uh because funnily enough we're about to hit august which is the time you said i'd release tfa part three so i did make it it was close though but uh yeah we probably shouldn't promise dates a release it never ends well hello rags and mohler hello hey there thanks for recommending the chronicles of pretty predain i just finished tarin the wanderer great stuff i'm glad you liked it it's been a long time since i've read it but i remember enjoying it when i was younger rags today you again made disparaging comments towards women and minorities here's some more money oh thank you very much i appreciate that uh keeping the helping me keep the dream alive just trying to be the best pro gamer i could be you can cook your school loan books like a grenade all right i don't uh yeah sure i can't remember what we were talking about that that would have been important uh all relevant i mean oh i got a new hammer it's a war hammer it's replacing my axe i guess oh better sword for better tour oh dude do you remember this i always remember this so as had hod you like at one point pick up the second-aged wolven dragon helm and it's just better than basically every helmet you're gonna come across the next 20 of the game and that's what had hod will look like now for a long time it's like the four and a half star item i don't know why you get it now but oh yeah i remember this helmet yeah once you've equipped it i'm like i remember this helmet he wore that for ever because you don't find what better for ages like oh guess i'll wear this my name is mauler h mubley and i love christmas christmas is the best holiday ever and i was wrong about halloween rags was right hi wags hello that's false propaganda everybody propaganda uh how did you guys come up with the formats of your videos did it happen naturally or was it planned out um it just sort i just sort of did whatever honestly i didn't think about it too hard i just sort of did it yeah i did it in the the way that most made sense to me structurally and then i guess the other half of it as i've said before is the copyright has kind of directed the way dude i cannot wait to edit my last of us two video because i won't have to deal with any cuts i can just put whatever i want for however long i want oh my god it's like it's like a miracle i get to edit like everyone else i mean video assets mainly but you know even though they they they are the funny thing about that is they tend to actually do do the whole copyright evasion thing by cutting clips quickly it's just that the video is usually like 10 minutes long whatever reminder i got mauler to unironically say the n word on the first stream of his last of us to play through at 8 10 18 00 good rat if anyone wants to hear there you go that's some good right there that's some good red hello this is probably my first evap i learned about this from your manager and am you don't know this is your first evap i guess so wait they said from your manager and am manager and am help me out who whose initials make am or am i missing something it wasn't the real edward they would have been happy if it were someone's already like uh no that doesn't f*** on 45 and have only learned about it a few weeks ago how rail assistant manager armored media it could be armored media wait yeah that's what i was thinking but that doesn't i don't know if that makes a lot of sense but yeah i mean either way welcome i hope you enjoy plenty of episodes to get acquainted if you wish oh i'm dealing a nice trunk of damage with that hammer i like it uh split between you both if you are not doing so already i love you both hi rouglas oh that's how y'all it's so nice thank you very much uh hey mooseley i mean a quick reddit post explaining why james bond would have been hired and possibly after movie effects of what happened if you want to make fun of it the credit post explaining why james bond would have been hired and possibly after movie effects of what happened hired for what who's hiring james bond for what you gotta tell me i can't handle this it's insane but uh good stuff i guess so that went right through him you liar game uh even rags has sent a super chat mohler can you send one possibly that's a that's a challenge accepted right there wait can you send a super chat to your own channel does that actually work i don't know i wonder if it would like it would prevent you or block out the option or whatever um by reading this you're agreeing to review johnny cash is a boy named sue live on e-fap 100 the pinnacle of storytelling i don't agree i have foiled your evil plan okay so there's this dwarven like coffin i guess uh tomb in this like throne roomy type place i guess it's just a tomb as well guess what i find in it rags guess what i find um something for idreal a rohan third age longsword for idreal well oh it was for idreal all right i guess but like what why would that be there your weird game fucking weird hi rags hey i heard you mentioned the show castle earlier what are your thoughts on it oh i i don't know anything about it i know my my younger sisters and my mom really liked it uh i just know that they i just know that they used it a bunch or they watched it a bunch then they like it and they like you know castle um nathan filian and all that who doesn't like nathan filian i love him he's awesome using the halo dst right yes and he would play he's like he's in like lots of uh destiny i think as well yeah he's a character in destiny raid shadow legend was everywhere during quarantine but vanished did ray con scare them off ever seen netflix's dark rags i choose you good dog oh i mean i haven't seen uh netflix is dark and yeah ray con i've seen a lot more ads for recently like the baked in ones i assume they're good i've never tested ray con myself and yes good choice of pokeman the last was two is like if bolder killed kratos and atreus went after him killed every asia but let bolder live because he didn't want to stoop to his level it's fucking stupid because i don't even know that anyone can defend that shit man this is a pile of uh diarrhea dukey as as irate gamer would probably say doctor i've discovered the cure for the zombification disease also doctor doesn't write down the procedure or tell anyone else how to do it yeah do you know about that they say that uh he was the only man in the world who knew how to do that wait what to be able to get the cure out because basically right you might be saying to yourself well hey if ellie wants to you know have a brain cut open so that she can save the world or whatever you could still do it right and they have like a throwaway line the game where they're like he was the only guy who knew how to do it oh does that not sound like some bullshit to you if only he had written out the procedure you think that he'd have apprentice or he'd written it down or something or i mean yeah i don't know he said there's no way to separate the like the the thing that grows on the brain without killing the subject and it's just like so if the only goes to separate it surely anyone can actually do that if they're allowed to kill the patient i don't know what do i know about doctoring nothing nothing oh wow that worked um little foot is not an orphan his dad is alive just just usually absent what do you think say that one more time so i catch the technicality little foot is not an orphan his dad is alive just just usually absent huh maybe i maybe i don't remember that part well even if he was saying even if his dad was dead and he was being raised by uh little foot was being raised by grandparent um his grandparents he wouldn't be an orphan he'd be he'd be his his grandparents would be acting as his parents do your parents have to be dead or just gone for you to be an orphan um i think they have to be if they if if your parents leave like if they put you like if they you're born and they put you on the fire uh house's doorstep or whatever or the orphan you know they drop you off at the orphanage then i would say you are an orphan they have abandoned you they have given you up they've forsaken you in some way either justified or not you're often in everything but name yeah because if an orphan gets adopted they're not an orphan anymore people say when they like if an you have some an orphan at an orphanage who is adopted by people grows up with those people as their parents and they look back in their past and they say you know what i used to be an orphan or i you know i was an orphan they don't say i i am an orphan you know that changes you could lose your orphan status what's y'all's opinion on the just cause franchise i i didn't play just cause yeah feels bad man i guess i should have to be able to answer that question also i just got attacked by a line of four creatures of the darkness i think i'm gonna use a volley use your anti darkness creature ability damn that worked pretty well you're allowed on the council but we do not grant you the rank of orphan oh no also uh just cause i'm trying to think if metals ever played just cause he might have ask metal what he thinks you'll get an interesting answer possibly that's there you go and um yeah you have to earn the rank of orphan you can't just take it you know be like oh i'm an orphan now it's like hey a lot of people work really hard to get that label you can't just take it that's how it works uh saving private brick written by neil druckman directed by ryan johnson go leave now but good tisms whenever you hear this why thank you for the good tisms yeah um saving private break remember i'm not exactly against ryan johnson's directing it's the writing of him though yeah the it was directed fine like knives i was directed just fine i don't at least nothing comes to mind is being terrible the geneva convention does not apply to aliens because it only applies if both nations signed the treaty they would need to sign up first well i think that generally the way that we behave now is civilized enough to her even if we fought a country that hadn't signed the geneva convention but they didn't specifically go out of their way to violate it in particular i think most people would you know go along with it knows unofficially yeah i think it would be considered pretty lame if someone yeah and what's violated it's not like an alien species it's not like an alien species was at the meeting and they didn't sign it you know so they didn't really have a chance the aliens are like you guys didn't tell us what this was getting signed it's like oh we didn't have a fucking phone to reach you what you call me on the space food space food isn't daniel craig basically a simpin knives out because she's a good person i mean he's so sure of it you know he's just so yeah he is really sure of it uh some i just feel like there's a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary but you know he's sure of it uh congrats on the patreon goal now go save some zebras hi rags hi uh yeah 2000 but um i imagine the it's it's all literally on the line is probably gonna go up and down and up and down and stuff uh yeah i'll have to make sure i'm for what it says on the goal that i definitely come through on anything that i haven't done on it uh just finished knives out so i'll be ready to engage with the tisms later what did you bring me so stupid yes some people consider it masterful writing we need this needs to stop like that's not it's not clever do you remember um it was considered clever that uh something exists just because someone mentioned it before that's how it works so if like yeah yeah go i think we made an example of this before but it's just like she just pulls out a mini gun and mose down chris heaven's character into pieces of flesh and we're just like god damn it that scene was insane and bizarre and then it's like ah but did you catch in the opening scene she was like she had that magazine and it said it was a guns and ammo magazine and it was the page that was open on was mini gun like it's the kind of shit where i'm like you got you you fuck like you fuck me right i think people i think people who do that imagine themselves as being a lot more clever than they really are it's it's it's like see there's a poster in their room of a motorcycle that's why at the very end they have a motor say is it no hashtag shad says it too oh yeah definitely um i guess this is for you rags i don't know i can't i can't i can't be the one to do it i can't do shaggy oh my goodness uh okay um i gotta do gotta do shaggy's voice here let me see if i can do it um like sewing smalls how are we gonna solve all these bad takes with any jeffy without any jeffy snacks also hi rags jeffy snacks why would we want jeffy snacks scoob yeah i don't know how to do um i don't know i don't know about shaggy i haven't heard i haven't heard shaggy in so long i don't actually know what he sounds like yeah i mean what what what you just did that's that would be my approximation of it i just like i haven't seen it a while but i think that's what he sounds like yeah sure uh row like scoob in the guy who does the voice for uh did the voice for scooby also did the voice for shaggy as well wow yeah well how about there uh and here we see the long man has tied up the last of us two with a golf club in hand he prepares to educate it on irony um yeah it it's one of those it needs to be punished games i watched a angry joe's review he did a pretty damn good job i'll i'll i'll say that um he'll be curious for us to see some the last of us two reviews possibly on saturday who knows well if um you're angry joe if you want to come on and talk about uh last of us two yes do it joe do it joe come on and we'll talk about the last of us two do it uh literally every death that happens after the first game is joe's fault just right timecode 417 the last of us two video what caused this man to go insane um every single death is joe's fault hmm is the logic there that the fireflies disbanded because of joe and thus became the wlf and the wlf waged a war with the scars and so every death between those two factions is technically joe's fault that's a that's a really interesting way to look at it isn't it that's that's super nuanced oh boy i i like it what they do we've had to deal with this a couple times right the whole um hey you know rags you're not responsible for any decisions you made it's really a parents that chose to make you it's their fault what that sort of shit but they just trace it all the way back i don't know if you caught any of that basically apparently just yeah well i mean i was like that who made that argument who said that some crazy person well i mean that would be like a test to see if someone's crazy well i think so yeah just driving so all of the x fireflies that became wlf and all of the scars all those individual people choosing to kill each other it's like well i mean technically it wouldn't have happened if joe hadn't done what he did so everyone's death is on joe i mean it's amazing no i agree with that no totally removing the entire concept of agency from these people like in the end they're the ones who choose to continuously stay with their factions and do the things that they do and pull the trigger i mean it's i you can be informed by something without and still also have it be your choice you can make a conscious decision based on information that you're aware of uh the wlf are completely different groups than the fireflies but aren't like all a bunch of x fireflies join up with the wlf don't they like i don't i don't know the history of the wlf i just know that there's fireflies in them and the that's a i must that's all i can assume the argument is even you know i don't know uh moving on um zero genders you say that as a joke but some sources say that the hurts uh the hurts are hermaphrodites what are the hurts maybe he means the huts oh yeah that would make sense because we're talking about java and shit right oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah we're talking about the zero genders we were for yeah talking about java the hut you know because we're a pretty typical podcast that's normally hang jabar the hoot um funny how molla played all of the last two and doesn't know much about the wlf because the game was that bad at explaining it i'll be honest with you man i'm willing to admit that i didn't absorb the information but there is a sinking thought in the back of my head where i'm like what even was the wlf it was like a response group i think they were they were like rebels and they were like we need freedom i think that was the the deal i don't know i'll have to have to re replay cutscenes about the wlf uh just gonna say zero the hut in clone wars isn't gay slash trans he's just he just has a high-pitched southern accent for some reason lol high-pitched southern accent okay sounds odd how does that sound with a java creature exactly uh watch the one-minute meme video the last of us to she hulk in action it's copyright free and well with it oh i'm i'm sure it is but um i'm afraid because we got a relatively late start today i'm gonna try and finish these super chats for this epipode and probably wrap up uh what's wrong with the second one okay look john mctu's tisms they shall be covered by the wondrous metal commander soon enough i shouldn't like to deliver uh semi-baked criticisms i'd rather hear you get his video all up and ready which is pretty much what i said about john mc3 um i think he did a good job so uh i do too with you soon enough um you shall not pass definitely the fields objectively it's a four at best i can i can be okay with that a best possible number for knives out is a four but i'd still want to sit pretty on a three my god this tisms how is arcanites also high rags hello like are you asking us how the arcanites are because we can i guess we couldn't ask them see see if they yeah i'll uh i'll ask them but find them he knows where who knows where these anime characters are they're in some spacetime dimension something faster than the speed of dark or some edge destroy all humans remake thoughts oh i've never played destroy all humans um so i i don't really know what to say yeah all i know is how it's good yeah people love the shit out of that game right i never played it but um people talking about it fondly from everything i've heard i hope that i don't even know if the remix out yet but i hope it's good absolutely what is your ranking of the parts the carbian movies also hello their ranks hello so the best one is one yeah there's no disputing that it's like it's over it's already done if anyone says it's not true they need to go to the the brain store and buy an upgrade okay yeah so that's the top tier insults i got going right now you get a refund there is this defective uh but second up honestly is number two for me i really like number two i just think that it's hard to watch it because you have to watch three and three is fucking bad um and then four i can't remember if i thought four was worse or just as bad as three and then five was fucking horrible like five is the worst one like once you start talking about anyone after the first my bind just mixes them together in this weird mush like they've all been blended up into a pirate shake and i just i can't distinguish any of the ones from each other like it's all just a memory mush in my head space um but yeah i'd have to rewatch them to know my uh my real ranking tisms but everyone just watch one okay just watch one can you please do more playthroughs like the last of us um you might want to make it a like like do co-op stuff and make it an e-fap gaming we do have plans for that we'll just yeah we'll try and just crank up the e-fap gaming side of things okay let's see how we really like that because those last of the streams have been pretty fun uh but i mean it was a special occasion um special 30 hour fucking occasion did i did said you it right there's like a two hour after video where we all just complained that's all it is we just jumped into a fucking call like so that was bad i am i do know of it i just haven't yeah just haven't watched it yet bring the guy who gave you the name onto e-fap 100 i mean i'm not entirely against that idea but i don't know i'm not against it we got the data kill oh it won't be dude i said it before like we did we got through seven videos in 50 it's like it goes quick and you start to think like oh fuck we're running out of time excel on wrath here's the sexism and racism money rags all right oh thanks i thought i was gonna the way you said it like there there was going to be more you know there it is what else what else do you need uh i'm sorry but i recently found a channel that makes wonderful content and needs a shout out for the hard work he does a british potato the dawn of the proofs ah british potato that's um i feel like british potatoes made memes before that's vaguely familiar british potato i have familiarisms and brain tizm can't change my opinion the fuck we can't like that's the spirit have you guys seen the amount of re-eng coming from sjw's about ghost of sushi ma because it's a game made by an american studio and not a japanese one even though all the japanese devs loves it i've heard stuff uh like that but i don't know any specifics but that is what i've heard i've heard that they don't remember when it was really cool to like combo up cultures but now that's like racism's yeah um it's really weird like doxels is western and japanese combined like it's super influenced by both but i wonder if that's an evil cultural appropriation is such a fucking weird thing to me i think um even even some of the like the types that might call it even find it to be a bit much at this point because you know like like uh i think there was a girl wearing dreadlocks or something relatively recently that people tried to like cancel and it was just like wait we don't have dreadlocks now guys chill okay but uh yeah ghosts of sushi ma we should have an issue with the fact that they mentioned ghosts i don't think you should be able to make a game about ghosts unless you are a ghost and you think that's fair i think that's fair yeah you think you just own ghosts have you ever been a ghost i don't think so yeah that's that's living-est that's life-ist life-fist i feel like i'm gonna die does stunning work on trolls oh i wouldn't know because fucking idril missed i guess everybody have to miss this could be really bad i'm finding two big big chunkuses and and and like everybody's sort of dying already are the rumors true that patrick willams will be a guest on the 100th episode of e-fab do you imagine if he actually reached out and said kind of come on i'll be like apps of fucking lootily dude yeah we could talk about we can just ask you some questions and see where that leads do you want to talk about plot holes yeah man that's almost nostalgic at this point isn't it shut up about plot holes good times uh lol lose your orphan status all right little timmy you've been adopted hand over your orphan badge and orphan gun dude hold on orphan gun a gun that shoots orphans not like it fires orphans out of it it's just a gun specifically designed for thinning the orphan pump yeah like you fire it and just they home onto the nearest orphan orphan seeking missiles it only makes sense deployed from planes shoot them in the air stone shield on barathol we're gonna survive this team we can do it uh could have been interesting if the dad doesn't hesitate when marlene asks if you would do it to abby when she's there might have added some dimension yeah right we don't even get a proper answer that question really just you just sort of like hmm basically the idea is like would you kill if it was your own daughter and he's like i don't know how can a man answer questions such as this well that sort of did something uh oh a ha stone shield bitch oh he missed good best episode of community in your opinion uh you haven't seen any of that right regga regalu no so um i will probably go with the um the second paintball episodes the western style ones that turns into like sort of styles at the end that or the banned episode the super fucking horrifying and evil banned episode with a um they do blackface oh no we have to ban it we can't let people see that like honestly you guys can go check out that episode in whatever way you can but please do a bit your eyes when you get to those scenes i wouldn't want you to get hurt oh yeah we don't want you to get yeah you're sold damaged you can handle it babies uh little xylian draft we go barathol oh wow that i did about as much as the perfect mode did so it's not bad um but yeah those are probably my favorites is it true you guys are planning to watch the monster hunter movie for efab movies if you are i wouldn't mind seeing how that turns out as a massively educated monster hunter fan uh maybe i don't know i'm gonna tell you now being a monster hunter fan is not going to help you in relation to the monster hunter movie hooray it's made by the guy who made the resident evil ones he is not gonna give a fuck well that's why when we made the uh when we watched doom we played all the doom games through so we could equate ourselves with a lore so that we wouldn't be lost for the movie of course oh nice dodgy drill i'm proud that they can actually dodge shit considering the amount of fucking times they miss you know all right do it again um wait a minute that actually might be the end of the stupid chats it can't be you guys won't be able to see whether or not i defeat these trolls oh my goodness gracious turn in next week to see if the trolls get fucking killed oh wait we got we got three more it's fine i remember thinking when a plague tail came out that it would be obsolete when the last of us two comes out i've played at oh yeah i would highly recommend everyone check out a plague tail innocent wait is it better than the last of us two can you be sure i legitimately enjoyed a plague tail um interesting uh well made voice uh well done character work uh for the most part good voice actors for them being children uh the mechanics are pretty simple in terms of the puzzles um like very rudimentary kind of simple puzzles decent stealth parts to it uh but it's great looking game very gorgeous world um i would highly uh highly recommend it's good stuff good stuff i definitely cared about the people in the plague tail far more than i did with uh far more than i did with the last of us two have you considered that you're a racist um that might be true because all of the people in the plague tail that i remember are white no like 15th century france well but it's it's kind of nice it's good to have um like all the main characters are kids they're very young um the main character is a um a young girl she's like 14 or something but the voice actor is good um she will be she has a younger brother she's watching after and so the way that they interact is very believable in terms of how a you know a a the girl and her brother would you know behave and that sort of thing so i like that so i said are they orphans um yeah i mean well at that point what's you know how's their bone density is it like is it noticeable i don't know you can only hope i suppose uh tommy are you okay with letting abby live because live because dina is preggers also tommy what the fuck ellie go kill abby by yourself um tommy uh isn't really like a character in in the game he seems to be whatever the plot needs him to be at the time nobody actually cares about him nobody cares to ask him fuck all even though he's joe's brother and by the end of the game he's a husk of who he used to be and it's a real shame because he's probably after joe my favorite and uh it's literally just because of the fact that he actually like fights for the people that he loves as crazy as a concept that is sure he's gonna later on in the next season he's gonna say i never cared oh yeah well a lot of people are already panicking about the last of us three like i don't think there's any indication that we're getting one but like people are just already assuming the last of us three will be even worse i'm just like people are people should be yeah i mean at this rate because it's not like uh last of us two and i could is like no no no no they went from a game like the last of us which even though it's not great it's fine it's very beloved people have a lot of emotional attachment to it and they love the characters and stuff like that and they really really want it to be good they went from that to the last of us two like a fucking nose dive so yeah people i could definitely see why people are terrified about the last of us three potentially if they're gonna make um southern accent my name is sue how do you do that like oh hi i'll hello sue yeah all right guess that's it sue um i mean just refresh i'm too i'm fucking beat mm-hmm almost there swear to god almost there ooo hi rags oh ooo hello uh better revenge game mario sunshine or the last of us two mario sunshine i think it achieves the message of revenge in a far superior way i think it captures the anguish the struggle of mario uh and it just it teaches us the to end the cycle of violence you fucking rip out bowser skeleton okay well actually no that doesn't work because bowser skeletons like a boss in several mario games right the dry bones shit so okay now a lot of the series that we the series that we love now those have become skeletons true would you rather be able to watch every every every movie that ever existed or will exist but never do another review or be able to review every movie that existed or will exist but it could only watch them once could you review a movie properly after only watching it once when you say make a review can i talk about it or am i just not allowed to make a video yeah so i don't like either of those i don't want them um i could only watch the movie once but can review any of them or be able to watch all of them but not review any of them i mean if i can't i literally can't talk about the media i'm consuming then i'll want to fucking die so i i guess uh i'll have to pick the latter because i won't be able to handle that shit yeah probably feel the same way don't be able to talk it about movies with people is fun yeah sometimes it's all of the fun oh and they clarified make a video so yeah i can still talk about them i just can't make any videos i'll take that over um over only being able to watch them once it's actually so interesting to think about um what about streams am i allowed to do that if i'm allowed to do streams the answer to be as obvious i'm not this is a weird universe that we're in but yeah uh seth did nothing wrong seth for efap 100 listen seth was the second best character it's kind of hard to beat out fat garrel okay can you accept that also just one more jarred vid for efap 100 please i think it's probably good to stick to the no coverage thing especially with i don't even know what's going on with him these days you know who knows what is uh youtube just was like star wars fans to the last of us fans first time yeah and game of thrones they're all in it together uh ooo bully hunters i'm sure that that that strikes a chord with their ranks oh i'm sorry what's that ooo bully hunters oh ooo bully hunters bully hunters would come for us when we cover people they come for us um they fill our chat with bully hunters yes the the kinds of people who would go after bullies and video games like them would absolutely go after us because we are the same exact people that they want to go after in games or just doing a podcast if you imagine they come in chat and they're like you're a bad person like okay so anyway but yeah they said streams are fine so yeah i will pick i can watch infinite movies infinite times and i'll stream reviews of them uh instead of i can only watch movies once and make review i wouldn't even want to be able to make reviews if we're gonna watch a movie once i feel like my review would be awkward and broken might miss out on a lot of info yep um and that is that is all the stupid chats for this stream of course rags and i need to catch up on the um the others that we've missed and i need to catch up on my last of us two ones all have been stored and shall be addressed unfortunately we got the uh two hour late start today it was a little bit longer than actually so um a little bit conked out um i just wanted to round it off it was uh it was good tomorrow i will try and stream uh the last of us two catch up super chats this is a decent chunk that i like i said didn't manage to get to it's been fun everyone i hope you enjoyed it talking about knives out and um obviously with the this being a delayed e-fap as well as a delayed time another e-fap is on the way on saturday so um i suppose we'll see you there uh who knows what the topic will be i can't imagine what we might be discussing considering recent events it's probably gonna be knives out third age talking about third age a retrospective look at third age um the ones that just came in hi and short man bad i got you both hi hello and fucking seven plus dream we spoil people so they think seven hours is a short stream they're so you're dying over here used to 11 hours you can't blame them i guess you can't play for a long time i'm just i'm at the end of my energy i gotta curl up in my doggy bed and stare at the back of my eyelids for ten hours um so yeah that's that's what's coming next you might get about woman next wednesday or wednesday after that at the very latest uh and e-fap 100 is on the way the 22nd of august e-fap one hundaredo don't be exciting and yes i'm planning on making a last of us two video so basically all my days will be filled with working on that now um but it's been fun thank you to our guests thank you for the kind donations and thank you for hanging out with us it's been wonderful and that's about it anything else right before we go um nothing comes to mind thanks for stopping by thanks for watching our videos dealing with us deal with the plot of knives out and um i guess we'll catch you guys uh fairly soon looking forward to it lots to talk about good nothing i know what we're talking about but if we're gonna talk about something then we have a lot to say about it because it's us it's what we do these jabber jaws that's us i'm so fucking tired good night everybody and goodbye good night goodbye see y'all later ciao