 What's going on everyone welcome to a spoiler debate about Suspiria This is the 2018 version of Luca Guadagnino's new reimagining of Suspiria I got some great guests here and we're all breaking this down and going into teams because two of us think this is a masterpiece Me being one of the ones and the other two either were kind of just thinking. Oh, yeah, it was fine or absolutely hated it so Let's go to ladies first Casey. How are you doing today? Let's introduce you Yeah, hello. I'm not doing too badly. I love waking up at 6 a.m. to debate movies with people. It's great I just kidding Yeah, no, so you want me to tell you how I feel about Suspiria? Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah, okay, so So I guess I saw it the other day. I hadn't seen the original one first. So I went and saw this version Yeah, I Spoiler alert. I'm on the negative side today I was a little bit underwhelmed by it I think there are still parts that were enjoyable and were better than others but ultimately I watched the old one yesterday And preferred that a lot more so more on that to come All right, awesome awesome awesome and Going over to here. We got 3c films here this man does all these ending explain videos So he might be having a little bit more notable stuff to say or different particular stuff How you doing man introduce? Hey, thank you Zach Well, yes, my name is Chris with 3c Films. I got to see spirit about a week ago now And I think it's gonna be the most overrated movie of the century not 2018 of the century. I I Do have great things to say about it. I do find some things masterful But overall I really don't get it and I swear I keep saying this I think my theater showed me the wrong movie because everyone just loves this thing Hey, hey, maybe maybe so maybe your theater showed you like smallfoot or something Then we're going over the man who's on my team that is griff. How you doing man? Hey, how's it going man? Glad to be back over here. I don't know when the last time I was over here was anyways I love this film. I made a video called why Suspiria is my favorite film of 2018. So there yeah, I Love it. It's great. All right. So there we go guys And obviously I'm on the part where I this film I at first I walked down. I really liked it I really liked about was that the loving character where they move my friend kept talking about that me and griff talked about I was like, you know what fuck like I don't have like I have one issue with the movie really and that's it I think it's a lot of issues with what a lot of people are gonna have and we'll talk about it But I really love this movie. It's not my favorite of year, but it is my top five for sure But I loved it. So how we're gonna start this We gave our reaction we're gonna go into the acting we're gonna go into the story We're gonna go in the direction the length in the ending first off We're gonna be talking about the acting and each one we're just gonna pretty much spend around three to five minutes on nothing huge Nothing much and each person's gonna kind of get their one share to say about it Well, are you a bit if we feel different about something and if we don't then hey whatever again This is like a spoiler discussion slash spoiler review Debating and then of course we want people down the comments to kind of decide who was in the right and who was in the wrong This should be fun unless some asshat comments down below and says this was garbage and didn't understand it Sorry, Chris. I that may be you And I'm gonna throw it over to 3c films you're the one who Chris you didn't like it as much as us So why you and Casey together? What was the acting like for you? Did you like it? Did you not know? The acting Amazing above average for sure and I mentioned you know Dakota Johnson my first introduction was a 50 shades of gray Now I have a partner who loves the movie and has read the books and all that so I always get dragged along to see those movies And I hated her in those films in this movie redeems herself completely. I fell in love with her I told her she's even sexier in this movie than she is in 50. Yeah, yeah very much Till the Sweden stole the show in all her scenes like I said, this is spoiler-filled one character in particular I'm sure we'll talk about later, but her character alone madam Blanc Really great work there Chloe Moretz. I did wish she was in it more But the stuff she was in for a bit while it was a little weird I also enjoyed so acting for me was was great and that was not a negative to the film at all Yeah, no, I'm with you on that and then Casey. What about you? What was the acting? Was anyone weak in particular for you? I mean I guess Dakota Johnson's definitely come very far from the 50 shades movies She's definitely getting there like a combination of a few of the things that she's been doing recently and she definitely Was good in this one. I just don't feel like she's there yet for me. I think she still has a little bit of Still has a little bit of oomph. I think that's mostly for me because In this film, she wasn't really the most emotional and so I feel like she didn't have She didn't need the biggest range for this film and I think that's where it falls flat a bit Everyone else was amazing though. They all did I yeah thought they all did genuinely wonderful jobs And so did she it's just not perfect. So yeah and griff, of course Yeah, I kind of going off that I would say that the character written didn't require her to be the most Emotive person although when she was presented with scenarios that were like, you know kind of taxing specifically the dream stuff She definitely brought her a game. She came to the table to play. I mean, she was great in bad times of the L Royale, I think she was even better in this she did a lot more physical acting Dancing especially now. I mean she she was a dancer for 12 years So it kind of helped her out in the role, but she hadn't danced in some time And so for like the two years leading up to filming this She was like hardcore training To be a dancer She could perform the scenarios and she was like she was that good And I don't think that physical side of the performance should be overlooked because of how Effective it is in a lot of the films subtext. So yeah, she was phenomenal I absolutely loved her by far my favorite performance of hers And I would say definitely her best by a long shot. Um, it's really turned She has really turned her career around especially because I Didn't think she was great I mean no one really thinks she's great in the 50 shades stuff But just seeing where she was like a very small role in the social network to now being like the main central figure In the remake of Suspiria, it's kind of amazing. You guys already touched on it. So the Swinton is phenomenal I actually even even though there are parts to the The male character she plays that I don't like I don't think her performance is the issue with that It's more so the fact that she was just kind of her casting is a little You can tell it's her when she starts talking and it takes you out of it a little bit But that being said her performance as Dr. Clemper is excellent even through all the prosthetics like she becomes this old man It's it's phenomenal, but her is mad on Blanc is obviously like the prime role for her and like Her dynamic with Dakota Johnson. I think is phenomenal as well. So yeah Oh, also, I just quickly want to give a shout out to Mia goth who I actually love she may have Yeah, truthfully, she may have actually been my second favorite behind Dakota Johnson in the film personally I think Mia Gotham was my favorite in the whole film. Yeah, she just I think for her personally I think she had the most range in the whole film Emotional wise and just every single thing that you got from her in general Mia goth is she was in a cure for wellness Which I I a cure for wellness. I've come around a little bit more on over the past year. I've liked it You didn't like that initially. I liked it. I didn't love it though And I started to come around on it more where I've more intrigued to kind of go back and rewatch it But Mia goth was one of the best parts about that film and again I didn't know she was here an actress who I have actually I Thought for the small amount of screen time who's in here. We haven't mentioned. He is Chloe Grace Moretz I thought she was excellent in those small tidbits that she was in here. Yeah, yeah Also, did you guys know Tilda Swinton played Helena Marcos in here, too? Yeah? Yeah Anybody could have played that though. Yeah, anyone could have played her and so I was just looking it up right now Yeah, and that's yeah, she must like prosthetics I First of all, I like I think the Depiction of Helena Marcos was fine Everything was fine about that except for the fact that she had like stereotypical old lady glasses on that there was a creative choice I was just like I kind of laughed a little bit at and this is coming from someone who loves the film But that was just kind of like What are we doing here? That is like really just not yeah That The lady who played Susie's mom Dakota Johnson's mom was actually death at the end too. Yes So I like I like what Luca Guadagnino did there and I again I guess now we can go into the story because that's what we're talking about next is the story for here and I Think that the main thing we should talk about is this big subplot with Dr. Clemper It took me out of it definitely I wish I wish I did not know till this one too was playing that character though, and I wonder if that would have helped I knew something still would have been off, but I don't know Yeah, see I didn't know that she I had no idea until after I'd watched it so No, it didn't bug me. I just thought it was a dude You know, yeah, I had no idea and then I was yeah, I was yeah looking into it afterwards and I was like Okay, so yeah, it didn't bother me and it didn't take me out of it as much as Like yeah, probably other people Yeah, it's still I don't know I mean it was a necessary part of the story I think because it represented a lot of things but at the same time it was one of the slower part Well, the whole movie was like Um, but yeah, yeah, I think we're all loving and hating it for different reasons because I I'm gonna say the and I can never pronounce it Clempler, how do you say Clemper? Yeah, I got a lot of hate for calling him Kempler, but anyway, yeah, let's see them pronounce it Yeah, exactly, but anyways, he was the saving grace for me in the movie He's the only reason I stayed in my butt for the whole two and a half hours. Yes. I I'd love that performance I loved everything and especially that ending scene where they're having that conversation It was the best and I mean I knew ahead of time going in that that was still to swim and at moments Yes, I could hear her voice in it But overall I feel she created a character and I was captivated by it His story is a motion behind it the whole cottage him going back to it Then thinking his wife did survive and came back and then that was taken away from all that stuff I love that it's I guess more traditional horror for me in that sense or a psychological aspect and affecting that character But to me that's what I really enjoyed and was the saving part for me in the movie Yeah, well, I'll piggyback off that because I loved his character I just the fact that Tilda Swinton was playing the character I think I don't know if like me knowing that would have like not knowing that beforehand would have To do effect me. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's just one of those It maybe would have maybe it wouldn't have I mean his voice was definitely very high-pitched for a man Even an older man, let's be honest But that being said Yeah, his arc was riveting because he was the link to the outside world He was he was necessary for what was going on and so when he, you know Interacts with the the coming of witches and whatnot And seeing how what they're going through is Paralleling what's going on in the outside world and whatnot Him being that link I think was super integral And the revelation that happens at the end where we find out his wife died And how she died was totally heartbreaking and yeah Just like going back and thinking on a little bit more. His arc is So crucial to the film. I mean, it's like the last shot of the movie so clearly it is Well, it's one of the first characters you meet to in the film. Absolutely. Yeah And and I think that enhances the story is because at first I When I walked out of the film again, I really liked it But I wasn't in love with it yet and as I thought about it more I was like, oh, well, did you really need the old man and then I think about I'm like But if you would have taken it out I think it would have taken out a lot of the essential emotion because in a sense I don't care about Kota Johnson's character here I mean like I do but not as emotional as I was with dr. Joseph like in there You invested with this character because you want to see where this ends up going with him And how much he cares about Chloe Grace Marat's character Patricia and where she ends up going. Yeah But what were you saying? Oh, I was just say I would also say that if you take his character out and you're trying to make the connections to War torn but war torn Berlin It would almost come off as just like even more jarring than it already does like they would they would cut to like news segments Every now and then and then interweave it into what's going on with the dr. Clemper and To some that might be jarring for me it worked It was just kind of like a transition outwards you take his character out of that and it almost becomes just like a WTF Like like what is the point of this and it's almost a little too on the nose And I think it was smarter than you know to add that in there. Yeah, yeah Expending more expending more on the story How did you guys feel about the the way it was told because it wasn't really a linear store? Story for me it is more towards the second and final act, but it is told in patches So we're getting parts in the background. I mean flashbacks and then yeah forward in the modern time To me I could have done without that I think I've actually would have preferred a linear story time That just felt more to me like the film trying to be confusing trying to be like I'm giving you pieces of the puzzle And then at the end you got to put it together. Yeah, I wouldn't say that it was non-linear to be honest I mean there were flashbacks all of the flashbacks were really pertaining to You know backstory bits of information for the character especially like Tilda Swinton And then we learn a little bit about Dakota Johnson. None of it felt like it was really Detracting from the main story. It would just kind of be like, okay So now they're asleep and now they're having these dreams and shit is going on and that's kind of like where we're getting These little like glimpses at their backstory, but for the most part, I I thought it was pretty traditionally Straightforward and the ambiguous nature of it at least for me was in line with like, you know The original Sysmeria and even though this film is very much not like the original one It does like invoke it at times and like invokes the same feeling you get and so That yeah, I mean that that didn't really bother me. I was kind of expecting that going in. Yeah Yeah Yeah, I Actually preferred the way it was to I again, I'm on Griff's side. I'm not just because he's on my team and all but Like for me like films that are not in chronological order is like beautiful boy this year I don't know if you guys have seen that yet, but that goes out of chronological order. I feel like it was needed but Sysmeria I Saw this movie and again. I like even though like when I came out again I really liked it, but I was just sitting there. I was like, what would I have changed and I just tell myself I'm nothing like there's nothing that I could have literally gone to the so much To make it more fitting for me I think this is very much a film that you're either gonna love or your hate or maybe kind of be in the middle But I don't think it's a film that in general It's so different and it's unique that I think if someone does see it It's the unique experience is what mesmerizes you overall watching the movie Well, it's kind of like um, you're right because it's kind of like when when I saw the neon demon I love the neon demon. I know some people who think that movie is absolute trash and I completely get it But it's just one of those things where it's like it's so hypnotic and I'm like I love the subtext of it Even though the on deems a little bit more on the nose than this one It's just one of those things where it's like stylistically you either buy into what's going on or you don't and no one is right Or wrong in the situation. It's just like a personal preference. Yeah Yeah, I like the story. I think the story was well told. I think yeah again I like how would you have wanted it Chris or Casey like would you want to change the story in a new different way? Would you rather them focus on a different character more or not? Honestly, my favorite part of the movie was like the story Not not in Maybe not so much the story, but the things that are actually Represented by the story. I think it was definitely for me I feel like my biggest issue with it is that I feel like it dragged a lot like there wasn't a lot happening And it just kind of went on and on and on and I got a bit frustrated by that as I always do because I have a very short attention span but the story like the like the representation of the witches and Comparing which covens to dance troops is so like it's perfect Although one thing that I would say is that dance troops They're not always that friendly to each other But anyway, but the point is is that like Combining like that competitiveness with also the idea of having to work together because a dance is not a dance I mean, it can be a dance with one person, but it doesn't work unless there are Lots of moving parts and that's the same with witchcraft It's the same when it like comes back to feminism because I feel like there's a lot of that in this film as well basically I was like I've quite made my video about this yet. I'm gonna talk about this but basically it comes down to the fact that in dance troops in witchcraft and in feminism women or people are basically Taught to be competitive with each other particularly with girls because they're constantly fighting for a single place in a film a single place in a writer's room a single place in a boardroom theoretically and So it's the same in dance troops because they're constantly fighting each other out for that protagonist role And it's the same with witchcraft as well like Witches just they want to you know, they want to be the best but at the same time Which is work better in groups They work better in threes like that's something that we see in Shakespeare and charmed in Sabrina this week So it's all of it working together to me. That was my favorite part of it the story itself and all of the things that it represented even The war stuff are not as knowledgeable about that as I am about witches because I love witches But you know, I that was the strongest part for me. It's the other areas that it fell down. So Okay With me on what I would change or anything. I haven't mentioned this Yeah, when talking about the movie, but I honestly feel like it's two movies here I'd love to see someone break down how much was given to the Dr. Kempler story and how much was given to the dance company story because I honestly feel like both were given an Equal amount of time and I would I would call them both subplots that complete a movie together And I think that's the detriment to me that that really hurt me It's either focus on doctor trying to figure this missing person case out then discovering its witches Or make it all about the witches and then put in elements of dr. Kempler I think for you guys who really loved it You guys were looking at it from the witches point of view and and then doctor was just like a little Seasoning on top of the movie to me where I was watching it with dr. Kempler was the main focus and the witches was a seasoning Yeah I was more with the witches and I saw Kempler as just a side plot Yeah, I would honestly say that I bet you if you were bringing it down to me because they cut in between a lot You get like five minutes or like ten minutes of the dancing and then you go to dr. Kempler and he's doing something I honestly feel like they were given equal amounts of time to throw out their story Yeah, yeah, I don't know I I don't I Don't I think both are very Integral with each other that like it's not a matter of me focusing on one or the other because it's like that's the story if Like what what Kempler is doing his investigation is directly tied into what's going on Yeah, which is coming correct His subplot is finding out what happened to his wife and that is very much a subplot because that's not really The focus of the film at all. It's almost to though He's looking for Chloe more ads because I'm assuming they've grown a relationship because it seems like they're familiar with each other At the beginning of the movie like she's been going to him for some therapy and then I don't know where it turns to him Going looking for his wife. Well, I would I would say that the reason it turns to that is because He's trying to find her because he's compelled by not being able to find his wife And so there's like there's a direct correlation there But um, he doesn't want to let another person down exactly but what I'm saying that so in your mind griff Who who is who are the if you had to rank the top three main characters? Who would they be? Of course Dakota Johnson would be number one. I understand that. Yeah, it would be Dakota Johnson Tilda Swinton and Clemperer and then if I could go one more I'd say Mia got because she's a section in there where she's Like but she's kind of in tandem with Clemperer when they start working together. She starts discovering what's going on She's kind of like the she's kind of like the audience in that regard. Can I be honest? I would actually so I'm pretty much in there I would move Tilda under Mia got I've moved me a goth up one and till the next because Again, like once they start working I don't like I still see is the which was like the main like the whole dance coven and all that was still The main part of the story. This is overall just like a gorgeous Gory mess of a movie and for me in the most beautiful of ways it is in a sense This story like just mesmerized me where I was just enhanced I wanted the film to be longer to be honest. I could have Yeah, I could have sat there and watched more too. I think it was just like the It was a very hypnotic and methodical pace which I get not being not like, you know having it Work for you like I everyone has different attention spans and not that but for whatever reason I'm Like it was kind of just like the way he was moving the camera and like the fact that he was taking his time and the fact that You know while he was going through some of this stuff that was a little ambiguous You were like trying to figure it out So he's almost like giving you time to contemplate what's going on And so I think it justifies that two and a half hour long run time Which way not this kind of moves us into our next spot Which is about the directing by Luca Guadagnino now call me by your name I would see that before I did my top 10 list that most likely probably would have been my favorite film of last year I loved call me by your name. I think it is fantastic and the slow pace the long shot Like everything Guadagnino did in that film was excellent now with Suspiria I think his director stamp and his staple is still on this movie But he directed it so differently that just shows how wide of a director he is now I've never seen any of his other films. I'll be flattered honest I've seen call me by your name and I've seen this film. I maybe I've seen other ones I just don't know what else he's really directed, but He I think what he does with Suspiria. Oh, okay. I'm looking at now. I've seen the bigger splash, too I mean, but I really do think call me by your name Suspiria are like Fantastic in so many different ways, but they're so different and for his essence Interesting you say that because I would say they're more similar than you would think Yeah, okay. Yeah, like aesthetically they're both very dreamlike he uses I mean granted camera movements differ depending on what you're trying to shoot But like you you compare the two he has a very fluid camera movement in both films Both films are hypnotic in different ways. This is very much like a unsettling like mysterious kind of way and the other one is like Remembering a summer you had with an old lover, which is legitimately what that is and if you look at the color palettes both color palettes are Similar to it to an extent like one is just very cold and dreary, but it still has that like Matte tones like it has it still has those matte tones to it where it's like call me by your name is very warm But it also feels kind of muted and Matt I love that one, you know chose this Vibrant palette of colors like getting away from the colorful stuff of the original but going more dreary in this one Yeah, that was such a great choice because I Okay, I watched the first one today. I thought it was fine like I liked it But I didn't love it and I do feel personally that film felt longer than this one did for me I agree on such a fundum. I disagree on such a fundamental level I feel I just didn't care what was going on in that original one, but this one I cared and I won't deny that the original isn't like great directed and stuff. I just I'm more in love with this one now like I would marry this movie like why not, you know Most gorgeous older women in Hollywood Alright calm down there a little bit going back to the color palette real quick before I send over to Casey going back to that You're right And it is effective because it directly ties into what's going on in the setting and whatnot It's time back to World War two Cold War or I'm sorry post World War two Cold War Berlin and the like unrelenting nature and turmoil of that time period and I highly recommend everyone go watch the Interview Guadagnino did with the build series. He really just like dulls deep into his thoughts about doing that Where he was talking about, you know, the original Suspiria being able to take place legitimately anywhere It kind of has that timeless feel to it this one He purposely says during the time period because there is a direct correlation to the outside world going on I know I said that a million times, but it's especially true in terms of the color palette and how it's used In tandem with the time period so The directing while I'll agree. He's a great director for sure. I love call me by your name I really enjoyed that movie and while I do appreciate the color palette He chose to bring in more dull and cold to go in with the war. I I felt he was mixing it up too much I felt like he was trying to put his own stamp do what he does best And then he was trying to attribute to things done in the original in 1977 because there are moments where like and I'm here It's a pretty basic with his directing that from the one of the 1977 I don't know his name and even if I did I wouldn't be able to Yeah him He does these these sort of camera movements that are similar to what you would see on the office when someone makes a quick way and then That happened in this movie that I was like what the heck is this like I didn't appreciate that and it to me It's like I had to have known or I had to be a critic or I had to be an extreme film But to appreciate that other than that Also the ending to me will not really the ending It's the word death comes out and it goes red and then it's stop motion or whatever you want to call that Yeah, I didn't appreciate that either to me I think that was more to hide the the budget restraint to hide because I'm feeling this movie was done on a low budget Not how much do you think it was I know how much it was 25 30 I Know it's more than that Okay, so that relatively that's pretty low actually I would say and and it showed with some of the prosthetics I still appreciate they did I would not have wanted them to use CGI, but when it was time because it's exploding But that the exploding heads I thought that would be awesome everything But the way they shot it it ruined it for me and it went by too slow and it killed any sort of like well This is awesome. This is exceptional to me It's like heads are just exploding so slowly and I'm just there like yeah, this is like you this is act 74 by now Is this not moving that over? It's like the sequel to Kingsman like they all eat the thing at the same time and like they're all exploding Like oh, maybe but there's no rainbows So I guess we'll kind of skip ahead to the other that was so beautiful Yeah, so just firstly quickly in terms of comparing call me by your name to this one I feel like there's a lot of similarities in like so Call me by your name creeped me out and I didn't creep me out in like, you know No Okay, no, no, no, no, no, okay, let me re let me just take a step back. Okay, so I wasn't yeah, I wasn't I wasn't creeped out by the content I was creeped out by the way it was portrayed so that which made me feel really uncomfortable about watching it because I was like This is not a concept that unsettles me. Why do I feel so weird about this and it was I think it was like It was really subtle. So what I feel like he does is he makes things really intimate. So they're never like Sexual but they're intimate and I don't like that. It freaks me out So it I think that was in call me by your name He did that and then he did the same thing in Suspiria there's all these like sighs and whispers and they're all like really close like they get in the same bed together But nothing happens and like it just it was creepy But where it did where it creeped me out and call me by your name It it was supposed like the movie supposed to be creepy with Suspiria So I felt that that worked a bit better here than it didn't call me by your name But yeah Direction I think you're right on that but it actually works more for this for me and I do Call me by your name. Is there is that feeling? Oh Dread and I like when directors can actually in place that into a film like I just thought boy erased. Yeah, yeah Directed by Egerton and he made the gift and he did the same thing that he did in the gift He put him to boy erase which you wouldn't expect him boy erase But it's in there for a lot of the scenes and I think that call me by your name in a sense Like Griffin was saying kind of making me now think back when you're like, yeah It kind of is a little bit similar in some aspects, but Things about Suspiria is that there's so much to annals and I'm not even trying I keep messing up that word The whole like like abuse of that in a sense like the coven in what they would go through I there's so much that you can get out of this movie. There's tons more in yeah What we go to that story I feel like as this film goes on and More people get to see it. I have to say that I do think Like even though I think some people do have issues with certain subplots. I think they were all there for a reason and Yeah, nothing In there even I not understand something Maybe later on it will like mother came out last year We're not gonna get an argument about mother because I think all the teams switch around with who liked mother Who doesn't even care to see it? but a lot and A lot was because I didn't get everything But I feel like there's more to investigate maybe it's just Aaron Oski twiddling his own horn and saying I knew what the fuck I wanted the movie which If I may They are completely different movies, but the thing is is that they have these like integral bits that are the same so they're very Aggressive horror type movies that are supposed to be disgusting, but at the same time they're supposed to make you think and They're just created in somewhat similar ways, so they're completely different movies But the reason that I really liked mother is because I did understand it I left the cinema and I was like I had a like I went to Catholic school. I I got like the whole like mother I got the whole Global warming climate change thing like it was literally just this perfect Microcosm of like all the things that I grew up knowing and believing and understanding So when I left that I was like yes like everything and all my friends were like And I was like no this is great and then when I watched Suspiria I was like yeah, it's got a lot of these aspects that I really had to like delve into and be like Oh, okay, I get this now, so I think that's I don't think they're similar They're made for similar reasons and made in similar ways and similar genres, but they are completely different. Yeah I mean, that's where I fell out of it. So yeah, yeah I guess I guess I kind of give the comparison you're drawing where This film was just just way more in my opinion tastefully and subtly done where it's like something like mother Literally beats you over the head with the same mess over and over again, and it was obnoxious in my opinion So like and you're right I completely got what Aronofsky was going for in mother and he made his point clear Yeah, in this one. I kind of like having to search for everything that Guadagnino was going for like I understand like a good majority of like the main things But it's like when you go back on those like repeat viewing you'll see You know certain things Certain things will pop like I'll use the analogy because they're like trying to uncover the secrets of the the coven When you're like like rewatching the film again You'll like unlock the secrets of like other stuff You may not have noticed like a camera movement or something like that and I Like being able to pick that up on repeat viewings as opposed to something like mother where it's just like it's it's very loud Like there's an excellent. There's an excellent point after mother for Yeah, yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what that fart cloud was the colorful thing I don't I don't know what that is Hey, no, no, no, do you watch do you watch Rick and Morty? Yeah, that's that's what I thought I don't know if you to watch Seen enough. Are you talking about when she was sleeping in the little thing? Yeah? Thing it was just it was just basically supposed to be like the The dreams that the witches were kind of like putting inside of her head and that's the thing like so That's where it made it not confusing. It was kind of cool when it was revealed She was mothers of spirit, but the dream she was having were her own So it wasn't like they were implanting it because that was her childhood. That was how she was I think some of them were her own and some of them were Met on blonks. Okay. There were sequences in there. Where is it dude? I'll give you that those sequences were were totally vague and super like Because somewhere like a dirt worm the other one was like a girl getting a hand on the iron. Yeah, yeah Okay, yeah, the hand on the iron that was that was childhood. Yeah, that was that was her childhood I was again. I've only seen the film one time. So it's a film that it does need repeat viewings. I think maybe I But you know what? I mean like some people will want that repeat viewings for that And that's where I kind of get to this to end this whole thing We got to talk about two things one and we all appreciate the score. Come on now This is Tom was amazing get every 90s alt rock band artists who score films I swear to God they are the best not and when you said David Dave roll and you're I Am like can you just like I love the Foo Fighters? They're okay, man of all time Just have Dave growl do this thing just real quickly. So some dude commented and he was like so actually Dave girl played drums For like one of the tenacious D soundtracks. So technically he Yeah, which is so funny, but anyways, yeah, well, excuse me just Speaking of the soundtrack. I was watching the new one yesterday the old one yesterday And I was just like listening to it and there's this like saying It sounds like the footloose song it's like And it's like I was watching it and I was like, oh, this is this is too much But I I prefer the old soundtrack except for that Because I don't agree Now that they're both so good and so Yeah, that's the thing though is that like so I was gonna say this before but a lot of my Issues with like the technical stuff for this film is that a lot of people are just comparing it against the old one and saying it's like Oh, it's completely different to the old one and in my mind. I'm like if you're standing out Against something else. Is it really standing out because really it's just different, you know, and so that I don't know It's not bad. I just it's not, you know That's just an argument. I have but anyway, no, I get it. I get it. Um, but I love the score I think it was just so different, but let's talk about the length. This is the last part. Oh, I Thought the length was needed and I wanted more of it I Every time after it said third act. I was like, this is probably the last one. Oh fifth act Okay, that was the last one epilogue shoot myself that Imagine that but knowing that they're seven. I was like, oh we're up to number two and then I was like See and can I be honest I think it helped the story but it seemed them I actually don't like when movies do that I think it helped this time. It's sometimes when it's like or anything all in a genre But see like I'm playing Red Dead Redemption right now They do chapter one chapter two chapter three and I know how many chapters are in this and I'm just trying to beat the game at this Point I'm like, okay on chapter six. Come on now. I know there's two more when we get into the next one I kind of look at it like you're reaching checkpoints. Yeah, it was kind of like, okay Something different's gonna happen now It was it was a weird mental game that I enjoyed but also like it would be one of those things where it's like Wow, we've been in this like chapter for a while now and then it would switch another one. I'm like, oh cool So I liked the the six-act structure. I thought it was a really Interesting way of breaking. I like the peach one. I thought that was a funny little nod to When I saw the peach I was thinking of the peach scene from call me by your name I'm sorry, but I thought that's the first thing that you want to see a peach now. I'm just like Yeah, that's the one thing I don't like about call me by your name So many love it. It's like the weird thing. I'm just like I Want to meet one of those people and do that with them and then be like, is this I Watch call me by your name with like a friend like a male friend and so I just like when in there I was like watching it and I was like, I feel really uncomfortable by this movie And then we got to that scene and like we both just kind of like Parents should watch that with their kids that just that song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like sit them down be like son. Do you ever do this? Speaking of what what is the the most awkward film you've ever watched with your parents because we were at case Now we're having that conversation like a couple days Airplane. Yeah, I still can't believe that airplane man when the tits came out I think honestly if I'm being straight up with that There's two One is the town and it's because my grandma took me to see it She's like I'll take you to see like whatever movie one as long as there's no nudity So I look up on like IMDB nothing about sex at all fucking right off the bank eyes He's fucking there girl and I'm like, oh come on now like seriously. I'm just sitting down pull up my phone I'm just like And then the second one the second one is either um, it's either you're highness And I didn't I didn't mean to watch it with them, but they came out says like oh Can I join him like sure and I pause it and the scene was paused on is when they cut the dick off And it's just hanging around their neck. Oh To me, I don't know if you guys ever seen it. It's not that well known. It's called spread with Ashton Kutcher Yep. I okay, but yeah Yeah, that was just like a red box rent because my mom loves ashton kutcher So I was like, all right sure whatever I haven't heard anything about this and we saw it It's just him sleeping with rich women to you know live a good life and too much ashton kutcher Hey, what about Freddy got fingered? Oh my god No, I still think yours is like the weirdest Griffin watches Dracula, uh, Bram Stoker's Dracula Yeah, Bram Stoker's Dracula. I just love that movie. It's great You get to see a bad a bad ape like just fuck this girl in a courtyard It's it's funny. You want to talk about snap zooms used in like a funny manner when when fucking um Winona rider like walks out and sees it happening It just like does this quick snap to like Dracula's face and he just turns his head like what is this? Hello, see every time but like going to Chris. He's mentioned the office now. Can we get a video of? John Krasinski and like him playing Jim again watching Suspiria. Can someone please make this Something happens to Suspiria just zooms on him. He's like Okay, but other other than Bram Stoker's Dracula hands down girl the dragon tattoo that rape scene is not fun that is just That is so messed up. Yeah Rape's not a good thing in movies. It's hard to watch more in life Yeah You know, you know what you know a movie like my dad hates like we watched the movie together and he hated it And it was the most awkward thing in my life because he hated it so much And it was the nice guys and I love that movie and he hated the nice guys He he contains suicide squad is better than the nice guys. I'm just like No, no dad. No, so Suspiria This is the film you watch with your parents. This is definitely the best film of the year You definitely want to watch it with your parents your family your grandma everyone all together experience something different together and I know luka guanino is talking about doing a prequel to this movie And so go please please go support this movie so we can get a prequel of this about because do you guys know what he was talking about the prequel Uh, yeah, he's mad oblong or marcos. He said yeah I want it. I want it. I personally would like to see him Do a sequel kind of tackling like the the witches trilogy thing three months Yeah, I have a theory that yeah, I have a theory that madame blanc has actually Been in contact with uh the mother of tears because in that scene where one of the girls is about to go into the mirror room She's just tearing up and and those aren't regular tears. Those are like jelly tears. I don't know You're watching that so I feel like that's a hint I think he will and I think luka because I mean everyone I don't know if you guys know david gordon green was supposed to direct this move. Yeah Yeah, he will Guadagnino took it over and I Right, I think it's just his passion for it Well, I mean like he said like he wanted to make his version ever since he was like 13 or 14 and I remember yeah Like he I don't know if he necessarily wanted gordon green to direct it. It was that like he some he like approached Um, like once guadagnino got the rights. He like approached gordon green and asked if he wanted to be involved with it I don't know whether that was like just screenwriting or yeah, whether he wanted him to direct it But I found that like really ironic because he has like halloween in theaters right now. So yeah Yeah So I don't know But I think this is where we're going to leave our final thoughts on this. We've discussed it in spoilers We're going to go through it again kasey Have your has your mind changed at all. Do you still feel the same? It has we convinced her This is the mouth of kasey. Um, I'm out. Uh, I've drained the positive side. No I think ultimately I was always pretty on board with the story and the way that that was told particularly just like so Kajanik who wrote it basically just he was like bored with the original story and he was like I've got to make this about the witches and about their dynamic and the matriarchy and all those sorts of things So it's very on board. I want to join them. I want to join the witch color You can't because you're a man So I can't I'm just kidding. I don't know. Um, anyway, um, yeah So I was always really on board with that. Um in terms of the other stuff. I still feel like a drag I still feel like there was Yeah, a lot of Yeah, no, I'm still on the fence basically. So no, I'm about the same All right, chris. What about you? Me opinion's not gonna change at all. Never will if it does I have been cloned but Uh, but honestly, no, I mean, I'm I'm exaggerating my point. This was not a horrible movie It was not trash. It was in garbage. It just wasn't for me. I just didn't have any emotional connection to it other than the dr. Kempler story But overall it was just a movie I watched once and I don't think I'll ever get back to To watching if you loved it. I'm happy for you. That's great. I don't want to take anything away from you It's just it was not for me. Can I contend real fast for a move on? Can we please do a live watch along to sysperia when it comes out on blu-ray? Yes Or that I will We need to have someone that hasn't watched it though. Yeah, okay And then just have someone that hasn't so that we can just be like, okay Yeah, that's cool. We'll make someone be the middle person. So make sure to tell one person you know not to watch it Yeah, that won't be all right. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. But uh griff anything changed in your mind You still feel the same I mean, yeah Yeah, I mean I I've like become obsessed like digging deep into this film great video you made man Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate that that was I don't usually do that So the fact that I felt compelled to do that shows you how much I like got out of this and how much like I enjoy Just like reflecting upon it. So It's a stereo reply to your tweet as well. I know that That's pretty cool that goals right there. Um, but anyways, yeah I mean like I don't want to take up too much If you honestly if you do want to hear my thoughts go check out my video because I I basically lay them all out there but um Yeah, I if you're even remotely considering to go like Wanted to go see this film. I would just say go see it. You may hate it. You may like it But at least you'll experience something different. So You know and I agree I think that's where I think if it's a hard film in a sense to recommend But at the same time like if you're even intrigued to see it, why are you watching this? Why why are you watching? Because that's the thing everyone's going to get something different out of this film I I like griff. Do you like if someone comes in and says I hate this movie Do you understand like that's how I am like I totally get it if you hate this film I mean, I would ask why because I I mean, I'm just genuinely curious like I I mean I completely acknowledge. It's not a film for everyone Um, but if they say it's like I had some guy comment on my video and he was like this movie was trash It was a poorly made film and I'm like, well, that's not true You just it just didn't sit right with you which that's fine But don't blame it on the filmmaking because the filmmaking is is like Top-notch that's this like expert level filmmaking Oh, yeah, like I loved it and I thought the the filmmaking was very smart But I think that's where we can cut this out guys. It's up to you guys to decide who won this debate Was it in griff or was it chris and kasey? I feel like we were all ended up on the same side somehow Yeah, I feel like Did we even my question is did we even really say that many spoilers? Oh Was it like a couple things but everyone dies at the end and decode johnson is Mother's suspirions. He's how yeah, and someone pays. Oh someone and until and eat some chicken Yeah, tiny police dick I'm telling you I don't I don't want to be one of those people and I don't want to drag those people into the comment section But there is an argument for feminist propaganda that the only male characters are the ones that are played with and exposed in that way Just I think that's just that's just witches. That's just witches in the past. I feel like that's yeah The poster does look like a vagina though. Well, I mean her her chest. That was so purpose. That was done completely Yeah Yeah, you want to hear a hot take bro? Let me tell you Suspiria is better than anything american horror stories ever made. They have their own american horror story theme songs in there when it's going through the different imagery This is better than any american horror story ever made. I mean considering the fact that i've never watched american horror stories I'll believe it. Sure These guys so kasey, where can they find you at? Uh, so my name is kasey causley and it's kasey causley everywhere on uh, twitter Um, what's my twitter name? Oh the old woman is a scroll. Um, that's my like screen name for twitter at the moment Uh, but yeah, so kasey causley everywhere Awesome. Awesome. Make sure you go subscribe to her. She's doing the thousand and one challenge, right? Is that is that Thousand one movie. Yeah, uh, yeah project. Yeah. Yeah, go check it out. It's really cool I wish I had the dedication to that, but I don't uh Chris from 3c films working. They find you man Yeah, you can find me at youtube.com slash 3c films and on twitter at 3c film review Please I I'm much nicer to other movies than this Yeah, no, no, no, seriously this guy gave night school a better rating I did Short jokes, okay. I wish you'd never told me that I really wish Different things though different things I will say I will say this is a better movie overall The suspiria the night school. I just enjoyed night school Yeah, but it was nice having you If you guys want to know and if you're confused by an ending to a movie He's got you you want to know some Easter eggs go check it out because I don't know how you do it Like you can watch one movie and pick all these things out and I'm like man I can look at that in the theater. That's what I do little notepad in the theater. See that's what I I was distracting for me. Yeah, I've tried it. I tried doing that for the greatest show man I just threw my notebook on the floor I Shall we go into another debate about the current greatest showman No, I'm gonna talk about that. But uh, yeah, man Uh, yeah, I was actually about to compliment chris on his rating scale I don't even think I want to do that anymore after that Uh, he legitimately has the best rating scale ever. He like breaks everything down so nicely I love it um Yeah, anyways, uh, so yeah, you guys can follow There's a reason I I'm making kc uncomfortable I know She's doing the 1001 movie challenge I think that's the only thing you know No, and you I I read your suspicious script and it's excellent So you're gonna go like deep into stuff on that which I I enjoy the only reason I brought up his rating scale is I is I think zack said something that triggered like a in my head But anyways, yeah, if you like me and my stupidity you can go follow me on twitter at griff schiller You can like men versus movies on facebook follow it on twitter just men versus movies. Um, subscribe to the channel I do movie reviews. I just saw fantastic beasts today. So Probably review out for that whenever the embargo lifts Weird flex, but okay So you'll see his review next week Yeah, yeah, any red man is a really nice guy. There we go. Throw it out there Hey, right? Yeah, I mean he probably would fuck you but Hey guys, thank you guys so much for watching this video. Thank you so much for watching this debate We want to hear what your guys thoughts were were you on the side of chris and kasey or were you on the side of me and griff Or were you just like fuck you guys? I don't like you guys at all And I don't agree with you and suspires a piece of shit all together Let's get talking about it down below in the comments You guys are new here hit that like and subscribe But make sure to go subscribe with all these lovely people Plus go over to sandwich on films also if you guys want to go check out some movies early I know we are doing a giveaway. I think for boy raced right now. So go check that out I really like that movie. I can't wait to review that But thank you guys so much for watching this and until next time. Yeah, stay classy