 I wonder I know it's a conspiracy But if it's like if it was always a conspiracy when like a business are being paid You know if like the pigs are actually doing the breakings and the businesses are being paid to like post about this type of shit Some of them. Oh, it's a show. I would say it's a combination You know, I mean the same thing if it's about driving up fear driving up unrest and Trying to push people to a more pro police Politics pro police funding politics you feel me especially in the wave of 2020 from the defund police And then you had a Libby Shad being ousted and then a pseudo progressive like Shane towel coming under the guise of oh Even though we know that Shane towel is like a Joe Biden. It's gonna put more police on the streets It's gonna fun more academies is gonna support the police But you know try and act like a progressive. This is part of that wave. You feel me to where it is for so For so, you know quote-unquote crime is happening, but You know I'm saying it ain't Shit ain't happening so it ain't a conspiracy when you look in the protests of what's happening and the police would be in there Trying to instigate things the police in Protest pulling out guns on protesters undercover police doing that to protesters. So I was like this Part of it is here for so Who so is Conspiracies, uh-huh So I might call it so I just historically there are no of The state leaves no stone unturned as it pertains to any methods or frameworks or we know Insurgency right now. Yeah is Happening from a media standpoint You know I'm saying we see in that for that's a fact Especially coming up in the 2024. So how are they doing this, you know, especially on Instagram like if we understand the algorithms If we understand these pages these fake pages, you know, what was that fake page that was talking about all the I don't know all like rat beef and shit and street shit. Oh, yeah The YouTube shit. Yeah, we don't even gotta say their names You know I'm saying so like that type of police work being done already, you know I'm saying that was happening Well, that was happening like it's always been happening to some degree. They still yeah, they still be doing a swamp story, you know So as you have a net but then you now you have these, you know Instagram accounts that are just only reporting crime but talking about like Bay Area culture or Oakland culture They're one but like that's me. Yeah, and you'll be This is our hundred and fifth episode 145th, I'm sorry 145th 145th 145th. 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And so in Oakland, you know, they're closing the one in downtown Oakland But I seen an article where it was like management has misreported the numbers on theft, right? Then in Harlem, you had a site saying like okay, we're closing this because of all the theft But seven blocks down the street. They're keeping one open in that spot actually has more theft than this one And so when you take that in collaboration with the Bidens push for like these public safety training centers Well, we could it's really just like police training centers Which are really cop cities like you see being happening in Atlanta when you take all these things In collaboration, I have to recognize it whether you're talking about the over sensationalism from some of these local pages that we see in Oakland whether you see these national stories around having a clothe we have in the clothes retail stores, but then the false reports on data just to create a narrative and then that in collaboration with these different cop cities that are happening around The nation including one in San Pablo, which for those that aren't familiar with the Bay Area, San Pablo is probably about 20 minutes away from North Oakland a little city between El Cerrito and Richmond, right? Yeah, let's read on Richmond. And so they're building a like 40 million dollar Police training center. It's like a smaller like a mini cop city because cop city is on acres and acres of land, right? But you have the at this this national push to strengthen the police state So, I mean we're using police states So I think it also helped to give them a definition and then you know give you a take on it Yeah, I mean if we look at the police state, we look at the foundation of the United States of America as a settler colonial Plantation right in a police state is defending the interests of that settler colonial plantation, right? So we see these police officers and you know in the south there were Slave patrollers in the north there was busting up unions As well as you know stealing and slay Africans who got their freedom and ran away, right? So we understand the police state as essentially the guardie the police is the guardians of capitalism They're the guardians of settler colonialism there the guardians and Protectors of the corporate interests in the United States of America. They only protect capital. That's what they for you call it police They don't prevent crime they come after You know I'm saying that they ain't about quote-unquote prevention. It's about protecting capital, right? so when you talk about a cop city and You know, I understand the slogan of cop city. It's like an easy slogan to get with but if we really you know Looking at what's happening right now. Stop cop city. Yeah, it's the slogan of like stop cop city, you know It's like I understand it, right? I understand the slogan but in reality, these are military bases being established with the Efforts or with the with the goal of deploying Military occupation forces and to new African communities. That's really what's going on right now. We feel me So we're seeing this quote-unquote discussions of crime being politicized in a very Similar way as the tough-on crime era to do what to then say all we need to invest in these military bases Because that's what they are military training hubs In quote-unquote new African urban communities to be able to deploy their forces into the community because they know what's about to come They know what's coming with these economic ships across the world They also understand that these police officers and you hear it from my people in the military all the time I you know, and it's not a great example because the military shouldn't be doing what they doing because of imperialism, right? But people in the military will come on by man. These police officers. They don't know shit Say oh man, they just they some suckers like you know, you hear that from people And that's there's a truth in that because they a lot of them are very under-trained You know I'm saying when it comes to Urban warfare when it comes to the traffic stops when it comes to like what is about to come home If we predicting a civil war at some point is coming the average police B cop We call him a pig for a reason Like they pigs you know I'm saying they are under-trained so what are they doing? They're trying to train them up for what the eventuality what's about to happen in this country, you know, so this is a The same way they establish In a similar way they establish african and Bases on the continent what they're doing now is they're establishing More military bases within the silver colony. It's a domestic approach to what it's the domestic you feel me They're having drones They've dropped bombs and historically We see AI we see technology being used by the police to be able to do whatever they want to do So it's a direct relation into the reporting into the funding, you know I'm saying we see how much Biden is funding the police How much Biden is funding the military You have to create a hysteria Around it. Oh, I'm unsafe at all times. Oh, the police make me say if you feel me. It's like the Their approach you feel me. It's like she is they science That's a hysteria great panic create fear and then we say okay. We need police We need funding we need cop cities. We need training centers. We're trying to protect you We're realistic. We know they're not it's what's wild is how they can They can engineer your participation in your own demise Right, like we know here in Oakland that the I believe give or take this is that the annual budget For the OPD since 2020 is I think bling between like 358 to 360 million dollars and it's actually increased Since 2020 where you had the old defund the pigs and whatnot, right? But I believe like 360 like 358 and 362 are like the numbers that come to my mind as far as annual annual budget And this is without overtime knowing that I think last year alone They did 61 million and overtime right but knowing these knowing this data That they have angrily a budget over over 350 million dollars and they haven't been able to address crime Like how much more money do they need and this is the same place where they're saying oh defund the police So we're gonna defund OPD, but Oakland police funding is increased by 18% since 2020. What's the annual or is it say that it's a angle? It's like 2022 to 2023 fiscal year the department's budget is 374 million, but since 2020 it's increased 18% so We're here in 2023 People are still saying more police, but even if that is the solution there's been quote-unquote more funding for it More funding done for it and what has happened quote-unquote more quote-unquote Property crime, but the real realistically Homicides been down. I believe 14% so you have to ask yourself, okay? Again, they engineer your participation in your own demise. We recognize look all these strikes just happening right now some of it, of course, you know the Democratic Party is able to Co-op engineer and engineer and make their own but you look at Kaiser's just had the largest strike Wasn't like healthcare history or something like that Nationally they had hundreds of thousands of Kaiser workers walk walking out I read something where it was saying like this is the largest strike in history, right? in the in the healthcare field and so Then you just had Hollywood coming off a strike right like workers on a worker because of capitalism workers create it creates the conditions where workers There reads it reaches a boiling point where the cost of living is just too much is a lot higher than what wages are for the people, right? And so this is just gonna happen again because what capitalism is still existing? Yeah, they have this reform But in five more years this thing is gonna happen and six more years this thing gonna happen And that's how the government is planning on both an international and domestic scale and so they recognize that the contradictions were reached a boiling point like they did in 2020 where you have disease where you have shit slight famine because people don't have money to buy things and then you have Police killing because of these increase in police budgets increase of pigs on the street And so what happens when there's a cop city in Atlanta and there's in there Like you said these military bases in Atlanta these military bases in San Pablo these military bases in Milwaukee What happens when you up when the people up rise up? And what happens when they rise up in a quote-unquote uncontrolled matter, right? Because these strikes are a controlled matter Right And looting and you feel me and what happens from a Marxist jargon What happens when the streets rise up versus when the worker? You feel me you want to be able to neutralize Where you have weeks and then you actually might even have the workers saying nah to the people in the streets Hey, man, what you doing? So that worker now becomes a part of that counter-insurgent strategy. Mm-hmm. You know, that's a full-pronged approach You know, it's like a real encirclement tactic real encirclement tactic on both an ideological skill and then actually on a Like physical material reality where you have these different small bases that want to be set up And then you have these different agencies state agencies like CHP, which is deployed more officers Which have the ability to actually Deploy it on the streets into the neighborhoods and stuff right, right? So like this is just you gotta ask this is gonna be serious, bro One thing capitalism is masterful at is what you were saying is that containment you feel me like they can manage Crisis is very well and they engineer crisis is very well to serve their own political objective of what's about to come You feel me as rising rents as rising costs of living as rising costs to just literally you feel me survive as a human being from food And water as all those things rise you feel me and people's wages aren't being increased and then we're having this You know the the quote-unquote welfare state isn't doing what it's you know I'm saying isn't providing people the bare resources that they need what's going to happen And also because what's going on internationally and we see the international shifts and contradictions happening with the Establishment of bricks and the multi-polar world happening, right? So you look at what happened with some of these strikes I would say they're managing this crisis in a certain way because of what's about to come in the future So if you you feel me get the masses of unions on board with you like you have Joe Biden You feel me joining the picket line. We have the you feel me We have the master chief joining the highest ranking official in the United States of America joining the picket line because what happens Because we're down with the New Yorkers and we tell them look it. We want to give you all this higher wage but because of the relationship between France in this year and NATO We just can't and China and Russia so if you want us if you want this we got to go over there and take this uranium We got to take this box site. We got to take this tantalum We got to take this cobo and it's gonna be by war So I'll give you these four dollars five dollars increase in wages, but when that happens, you know y'all still got to work When the war happens Y'all still got to support it y'all got to work and make more tanks on the picket line, right? So this is part of that control containment strategy for like when that Contradiction reaches itself again, which is going to happen. You feel me the same thing we see when Michael Brown Same see what thing we've seen with George Ford, right? So when the next big moment happens The workers are more tied into the state the quote-unquote proletariat is more aligned with the state Versus being aligned with the people versus being aligned with the revolution versus being aligned with new African independence We can look at my family my family got jobs at the long at the port when what happened When the white working class got shipped off the war That was our integration into the into the into the longshoremanship, you know, like Wars big business and if you are able to benefit You know, we consider the domestic neocolony here in the so-called United States In order for you to get something In order for them to give you something asking who they're taking from It's gonna be Folks on the continent folks in Latin America Right And what they doing right now? What they doing over now in Eastern Europe, you know, and it's a part of you feel me jealous big business They want people on the street so that the way they can take people to jail Man, they want to essentially they want Ukraine to be destroyed So that international finance capital can go into Ukraine and rebuild Ukraine and make billions and trillions of dollars That's what they're doing. Okay, we'll give you these bullets. We'll give you these guns But one of the time comes for us to now build these new contracts with these multinational Corporations to you feel me rebuild Ukraine and make all this money. That's what you feel me All this is a part of the interest of the United States of America and paying your opinions I don't like I don't want war for anybody period you talk about millions of people dying I don't want that But ask yourself why they have given Ukraine Billions of dollars why have they have given billions and billions and billions of dollars to police forces worldwide? or across the country and there have been nothing in terms of What the money they giving the Ukraine? People in the in the so-called America that have been eaten for free free rent free healthcare free education Act yourself how they keep finding all these That's all we have to ask like what is the true cause of crying? Yeah, what makes a person risk your life in their life in a home invasion? What makes a person risk their life breaking into a car? To steal your backpack That's not just what makes a person get under your car to take your cattle at a converter Knowing damn well that that chainsaw is gonna wake up half of the neighborhood What makes a person take these risks that go against all logic dire situations? They they try to create and that's the thing about this reporting around crime that we've been getting that is Did you take this back to the the Sambo in the What's the other image of the black man brute the brute? What's the one they used to chase the white girl through this through the like in the silent films and shit? It's not that it's not the brute The brood is like the big black nigga that saves them or is it the big the big chase them big black nigga Who's chasing them you feel me like that like stereotypical hyper-sexualized strong you feel me But this is go this goes back to creating a specific type of image character You know like a black youth the nigga in a ski mask that uh That's what that's what you need to be afraid of when you go outside the blue niggas and ski mask that run around and Don't take whatever from you. It's creating that narrative, right? So that when something happens to these people you don't feel nothing versus asking yourself What makes a human put his life at risk and put your life at risk is are we just uh, we don't come out the We don't come out the womb this way Some of these kids man, they got to kill you in the media first They're gonna kill you to justify justify it all Oh, it's the reverse Trayvon Martin shit when you wait till he did you post the picture of the gun now I'm gonna show you with them with the guns right now so you can justify it But like these kids didn't come out committing robberies Yeah Really these kids come out I spend times at youth football games all been that every weekend about a youth football game But these kids is is I play youth sports. You feel me? We don't come out this way, bro But that's what welfare and section they to do to you You feel me? That's what? Living in West Oakland where you are victims Public health disparities and environmental racism living in Hunters Point. You feel me like this is what happens to you No human being with them to ask people with jobs or some of them because what it says is I think Some of 50% of people in shelters work full or part-time or some shit like that So I can't even say ask people with jobs that commit robberies because some some of them are they have to but any person With all their essential needs man if you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs people are referring to if you got bread water food Shelter housing health care ask themselves if you out there committing robberies No Youth unemployment rates sky-high regular unemployment rates sky-high shit wages been stagnant since 1979 What are we talking about here, bro? But you want to blame individuals for a human supposed to crawl in the corner and die and again I Think that we've already stated that as a beginning. This is I live in Oakland, bro I've been bipped. I've had the cab and bipped three times had the Catholic converter taken They had the Catholic converter taken on our mobile health clinic, but we'll be wrong to come up here and say that the police will solve this We'll be wrong We will be wrong bro I'm saying so like yes, we have a real problem. Let's get you some real solutions Even for the you know person who might not have no consciousness. Just think about it. This should happen You what are you gonna do? You call the police and they're they gonna come no They're gonna laugh at you. Is the city gonna support you? No The government's gonna support you? No So what's actually create solutions for people and for us comes through programs for decolonization right, so thinking about just all this media frenzy all this Social media frenzy and This hysteria around crime, you know, I think a lot of it kind of culminated in this What some might call a protest Others might call counter and surgeon tactic being led by Certain businesses, you know I'm saying Trying to frame it a certain type of way and You know, but how you feel about you know, there's this protest That took place in Oakland of quote-unquote local business owners over, you know It's reported that over 200 local business owners went on strike for two Magical hours in protest of crime with your thoughts on it. It's a layer situation. So I'm gonna try my best not to speak in absolutes because You know, they're I'm sure there is some truth to Certain businesses being impacted, you know, like I Do I really want to go up? Do I really want to go down there? This might happen. Do I really like you feel me? I'll be some some places. I'll just like I'm a Uber down there I ain't gonna risk but everybody might not have that ability. So I think there is some fairness to what's going on But again, there is a lot of misinformation being spread is even around with what you just spoke to in terms of the number of businesses that participated You know, they were I've seen reports of Businesses being on the list and I'm saying like we weren't even involved Then you've seen different folks who were going around taking pictures Okay, this person's name is on the list and they're actively open right now Then you have situations where there was a restaurant who said, okay You know the strike was I think from 10 to 12 30 and a restaurant put their name on a list But they don't even open to 11 30 or 10 to 12, but this restaurant didn't open to 11 30 So like you protested for 30 minutes. You feel me like So yeah, I understand some of the sentiment because we've been talking about this is a very real thing like My grandma living in this community my nieces and nephews live in this community my siblings live in this community I live in this community. And so yeah, I do want us to be able to go outside and You know feel feel quote-unquote, I don't know how safe one can feel It goes back to the last point I think we got to just be real clear about what the causes of this state of emergency is You know like folks keep saying there's crime happening crime happening But what is the real cause we've already spoke to this like when you deal with a system where certain people Get to decide all Aspects of your life Right because of their relationship to the means of production meaning the land the technologies the natural resources Right and if we taste it in this in this country specifically, you know, it was back to the trans one exclave trade And to the Berlin conference, right where they took the colonial approach to Africa then it goes back to World War two and the establishment of NATO and United Nations and this neocolonial Like let's talk about that most people this isn't just kind of a vacuum. What's going on Oakland today is a manifestation of a centuries of capitalist exploitation and the material reality that this economic system and political system creates and until we get there we'll keep having these a Again, I will say like Part of it is justified like if you are a business you like trying to make it like damn If I go to some of these businesses and like you just won't look out the window a motherfucker is getting bit You know I came outside of business my shit got bit But again, it won't be fixed until you get the real cause right but these people are again I would can I would say a victims of misinformation and victims of mass media propaganda Like how do we get a situation where there's a specific business owner I won't say brother name because I'm not really too familiar with like My claim doxin or all this type of shit, so I'm just gonna stay away from it But there is a specific business owner who you know Used to run a business in Oakland. I believe they closed the restaurant of Oakland in you know three years ago This person was saying I feel it at during the uprisings as a result of George Floyd and Brianna Taylor and you know one of the reasons why this business also closed was because he claimed that oh I couldn't get enough people. I couldn't get people to work for me Probably because of wages, right? But that's another story. We've already we've already gave y'all take on wages You feel me like y'all get it where we go here, right? But this person in 2020 was saying you know, I Feel like I feel unsafe around all these police right We just said that as it pertains to OPD's budget, they've received the 18% increase Which allows them to put more pigs on the street put more resources into the pigs Now three years later, you're claiming there needs to be an increase in police What what makes a person change their mind when the Pete the pigs have killed more people since 2020 since 2020? The pigs are getting more money since 2020 the actual condition that you refer to a feeling unsafe have it actually as it pertains to police have a Increased Some of the things like homicide and other violent crimes have decreased, right? But you just have all these crimes against property act yourself. What are the real causes and what are the real solutions? It's not it's not the police, right? And so I Considered the protests again on Monday or whatever week that was like two Mondays ago I think I consider that to be a byproduct of a misled people Who don't have a true analysis on the historical development of their city? and especially their nation and really the global arena and You know, I hope that this podcast can help to get us to start to ask some of the real questions because I Believe you and I are two people who are actually invested in the well-being of Oakland, you know, and I Think there are other people I do think some of those people who probably protested do have open the best the best interest Reasons to Wanting want change, right? But I think what you're saying again is like part of like the psychological operation of it you feel me and then a few Uneducated and not conscious to what's really going on these other factors that are driving it, right? It's easy to become reactionary. It's easy to just respond to okay Yeah, I am gonna protest not realizing that, you know, this protests has certain aims a more police Right. You've seen signs from these protests talking about the National Guard Declaring a state of emergency in Oakland, right? Have we not learned what's happened when the National Guard is deployed in New African communities. Do you think having the United States so-called army? Just hanging out on the streets is going to be good. What do we think is actually gonna happen? So we want to spend millions of dollars millions upon millions of dollars deploying more police deploying the army is that the solution? Or is it free housing or is it health care? Wouldn't make a person get by or is it food be opposed to free housing like don't that that is just that's a prison bro It's a prison of way of thinking like we spend word taxed and then Millions upon millions of our tax dollars are going to people who don't solve any of these issues When you call, you know, I'm saying like even if you said they do solve them They don't you call me what happens. They don't show up I'm not saying call them, but I'm saying what let's deal with the actual effects of the response time quote-unquote Yeah You know I'm saying like let's be real that they ain't the solution the people will always be the solution Until the people decide we want a better way of life And realize that the state is not the one that will ever give us a better way of life That's a fact we've seen it historically Mm-hmm So what are we gonna do and we're gonna continue to have this Mind state that there that this white man going save us Order black pig that the black pig on say that the the Asian mayor gonna save us the even me This system ain't gonna save us the people deciding now We want a system that actually benefits the masses of our people and not billions of dollars being invested into the military but actually a Investment into the people where we can be able to determine our own destiny Personally, you know last thing I'll say I'm kind of A point that I really want to drive home is that I know they don't matter how many pigs is on the street. It don't matter what National guards and CHP even the army itself People ain't gonna Crawl into a corner and die You feel me? So what y'all gonna see is People fighting back by any means necessary By any means necessary so I can tell you the police ain't gonna solve this issue The police are not gonna install fear into someone who's at their wits in and still has the ability to Rationalize life or death and to fight back. There's nothing that a pig can do to stop that. There's nothing that a Army Ranger can do to stop that. There's nothing that the National Guard people gonna fight back regardless Fighter fight, so if you want to actually save lives You should be for free housing free education quality health care and Start to figure out what you can do as a person To contribute to that and I'll offer you getting involved in people's programs because that's what we pushing, you know a lot of groups of Be anti-police, but they're not anti-capitalism A lot of folks would be anti Yeah, well, a lot of folks claim they pro-restorative justice, you know that they're abolitionists, but they're not anti-capitalist I don't you know, we again I'll say that that's a byproduct of Either not properly understanding the historical development of this nation's institutions and ideologies and how the economic system is the Foundation for all those things or you are actually trying to mislead people and find Yo, you know in into the system of fascism, right? That's what I would chalk that up to but We mentioned some businesses and I don't want to take away from our analysis on crime but I think this is a key question for us to ask because I Think people like to say because they have their businesses and open that they're invested into community and me you were talking Like I'm like there's a difference between a business in the community And a community business and so could you Give your analysis on the difference between the two Yeah, I would say Community business has actual relationships in the community where there's some type of reciprocation that's happening It ain't just a business that is meant to only make money only make capital only drive up their own pockets But it's a business that you know will support the community in different initiatives whether it's sponsoring youth football teams I can give even like real examples of I say Marcus books Marcus books is one of the oldest I believe the oldest black bookstore in the country, you know I'm saying where They have been you know making money, but also supporting the community, right? So for example, I know when protests have happened. They've you feel me bailed out protesters They've supported community initiatives. You know I'm saying a more recent example is a Prime right prime got you know in the winter They got you know all they shit took you feel me they got broken into and robbed and I go okay I queen make something positive happen. You feel me and what do they say this? All right, what's the work with people's programs and get donations and some of the donation and then the donations will go to the people in the Streets filming people who are also so that's like actual like a reciprocal relationship you feeling where there's actual positive things happening for Both ends, you know I'm saying you ain't just getting money like all I'm in this side Well, I only care about making money. You're actually doing things for the community You're doing these for the people you see yours. You see yourself as a part of a broader broader people you feel me Business in the community just the business in the community you shake shack Or just a local own business. That's just you feel me. Oh, we're just about to make the money We're aren't you know, we might use language like oh we care about community. We care about Oakland But now you care about making money What have you done on some real? You know, I told you I Google such such and such backpack drive like the low-level shit, you know, like a backpack drive is super easy Such and such toy giveaway not seeing none of this and that's just like low-level pretty So we can say, you know exactly we say, okay Yeah, you might enjoy eating at this food and not you know Sam, but like what have they done for you nothing But they done for people, you know I'm saying like oh my gosh this community institution What makes it a community institution just because you ate good food there? Or just because you shop there it makes it a pivotal community institution or as a community institution One that works with the community and as a part of the community to develop a positive change and positive action You feel me versus just being exploitive So was just you know, I think we have to understand difference right community business being locked in with the community supporting the people, you know Making money, but also being a part of seeing themselves as a part of the movement You feel me setting up hubs for donations and a pubs to be able to support different community programs You know I'm saying Sponsoring youth teams, you know being like we know the people who are out there because they're out there Yo Barbara, you feel me community business? You feel me not as a person pulling up bringing waters You feel me early on in the breakfast program like it was nothing. Yeah, and people know that You know I'm saying like that that relationship is established versus someone just a man You're gonna back. I'm gonna great clips and just you know, it's all good with sponsored our our on my pwe football team because my boy Terrell the owner son was on our team and he sponsored our backs you feel me like There's ways, you know I'm saying to that player a role. Mm-hmm You know I'm saying so versus just the okay Slice rock up eating you take my money and you do nothing for me, but distract me from the ills of capitalism You should nothing to restore my humanity to contribute to my well-being Somebody said oh, I that's me feeding you What do we talk about You're a liquor store, that's why I would say you gotta start questioning like what do you what are these people's motives? You feel me like what do you actually do friends besides take our money and give us these you know wage? Wage jobs, but yeah But I think one thing I hope people get away is like the sincerity that we have of wanting to actually Have things change and wanting people to be safe even that's why the work we do is like a man We we just trying to build a nation where we govern ourselves where we remove the heel of whites White supremacy of capitalist imperialism off of our necks You know I'm saying where we take it off of us to where we could actually bite now We could determine our own interests, you know, and I think one thing we've seen especially locally like we've seen Folks from Oakland Voice displeasure with people who might live in Oakland, but not be from Oakland speak on the changes that need to be made What are your thoughts on folks not from the town and the role they play here? well Like I recognize the sentiment of folks who have lived here whose families have come here as part of the first and second grade migrations And they've been here for you know 70 50 60 years I recognize the sentiment right because I Recognized that in my experience folks that I've lived here for such a long time tend to be actually more invested in the Well-being of this place But then I've also seen some folks, you know who have been here and are also invested in Milking this community for their own personal gains. And so I say well, I recognize in both those things, you know I try to take a more a France for non ideology and I look at to like You know anybody who's in Oakland and it's truly invested in seeing the entire community have a basic needs met and put in a position Where they can? Empower themselves truly and I mean empower means changing your relationship to the means of production Change your relationship to property changing yourself changing your relationship to other people I think anyone who was in Oakland isn't dedicated and dedicated to that should have a Opinion on what goes on in Oakland, but I think the amount of work that you put in For me personally validate show your opinion And if your analysis is rooted in a true communal egalitarian Anti-capitalist analysis, then I consider you a part of my The community that I'm trying to build an Oakland I don't think that being from Oakland automatically qualifies you for that and You know, I don't think not being from Oakland automatically disqualifies you. It's like for non say anybody that's in Algeria In this new Algeria this communal egalitarian Free sovereign loving hard-working Algeria is an Algerian whether they were born here Whether they're like Fernanda from Martinique whether they're a fucking Expatriated Frenchman, you know, like if you hear and you believe in seeing this nation these people Live full lives and you can be here and I think that same approach that same ideology that same belief that same practice could be applied here, but People who legacy organizers, right? I Was in the Panthers. I did this I did that and who in a way who are tools for fashion You know, like that's how you get like, oh, I'm strong, you know, he's from Oakland Nicky, he's the top pig in the city. I don't care where he from I don't care is he put you feel me like is he doing anything to actually we keep talking about making Oakland safe Kind of like the last question to wrap it up like what are you doing besides being a tool for this specific system? And a person can't know if they're a tool for this specific system if they don't have analysis and analysis on this system and so I Think as it pertains to new Africans, you know black people want to make sense of if they're a tool for this system You know, we had a person that says they appreciate when we Give these books and that they go on to read them I would say you need to read we are on liberators by the little move to King Where he talks about neocolonialism, right? This new form of colonialism that makes the people feel like they're free, right? We as Africans are part of our neocolonial new Africans in America part of our neocolonial Experience was reconstruction and the suffrage and the civil rights movement and then in present-day Barack Obama and Who is it is it Lloyd Austin? Who is the fucking secretary of defense, right? These things Kamala Harris These things are part neocolonialism where you start to think that you're free because you have more Participation in this equitable system, right? So for people who want to know if they're a pawn of it and want to be able to recognize ponds Read you little motor keens. We are we are on liberators. We read Kwame and kumas class struggle in Africa because that book can be applied to any place in the world and so Yeah, we got to start recognizing it and I think being able to recognize neocolonialism will start You'll be able to recognize it in your own locale, especially in these locales that are historically, you know black like an Oakland Like, you know Hunter's point where you get a little you know now you got London Breeze of Mary San Francisco Shit Atlanta, right? Milwaukee all these places is talking about building these cop cities and shit You know you should get real familiar because these black folks will be the ponds That make you feel like because they look like you because they from where you from they've experienced some of the things you've Experienced that they got your best interest at heart and we know that ain't true. You know that ain't true So thinking about safety you feel me what is things that we can do, you know to actually ensure the safety of people in Oakland and what are some of these things that You know businesses businesses can do to do that as well, you know Just think about how we just talked about some of these business owners owners, you know I mean, I think you should expand on The decolonization programs and how these create real safety Or I think you expand on that will be super helpful. Yeah, I mean Programs for decolonization. They have to be the heartbeat of the community You feel me they are the material support the material action the shifting of consciousness to be able to actually Govern ourselves and to develop self-determination to develop develop political autonomy social autonomy economic autonomy From our oppressor government right programs for decolonization what they effectively do is divorce ourselves From this neocolonial relationship with the state and instead invest in the relationship with the people where we have our Own infrastructure, right? So people's breakfast Oakland that is being that is developed as a program for decolonization That is developing infrastructure to be able to feed house was people in Oakland. We know that if people is hungry What is the material effect of hunger going to do on a person? You know I'm saying our grocery program in a corner and broader West Oakland as well, right? People don't have groceries. You feel me if you don't again have food What's the result of that going to be right? So this program not only is it providing a material resource, but it's also exposing the Contradictions of capitalism or also getting the people who we are serving Involved in the political machine of the program for decolonization to where the people can then develop their own community liberation Associations to be able to develop their own destiny and to be able to develop these you know autonomous communities to where they're tied into a political organization tied into True organizing that is actually going to benefit Themselves their family in their local community, right? So having that infrastructure being built and invested into rather than the infrastructure that is already existing that is Only can run with our exploitation is what is needed to advance Actual unity in our community, right? Because if we don't have unity We are going to continue to look at ourselves like we are the enemy and not actually to be able to actually point out Who the real enemy is in our community you feel me? So that is why the program for decolonization is so important because it becomes this Material lifeline, but also it moves our people forward in a way to be able to see like okay If these people are here day in and day out trying to build with us. Why? Why ain't the government doing this for us? It exposes the nation that these people are trying to do this. Why don't we just govern ourselves, right? So Essentially these programs for decolonization that garners all of the positive energy and positive Momentum in the community and moves us forward in a way to where we're able to actually determine our own destiny And I think that's a good point because you're making well good points You're making people think again like what is true safety and for us I asked the question Okay, if all robbery stopped Would that make you feel safe about being possibly fired from your job at any given moment? If all robbery stopped would you feel safe about the stocks dropping and you losing all your retirement like what happened that in run, huh? If all the robbery stopped right and would you feel safe about being pulled over and being shot in your car or The police getting your door and shooting you in bed like Breonna Taylor If all the robbery stopped would you feel safe about getting cancer and not being able to afford the treatments? How we got to talk about true safety because we can eradicate that problem real quick Lock up all the niggas who do in robberies lock them all up Put them all police on the streets. How does that solve these whole other? Areas of problems that are birthed from this economic system of capitalism What is true safety under this? We want a month-to-month lease They can come knock on the door right now, but hey, you got 30 days. You got a cut Anything can happen your old job. Well, they could just hit you and say you lost all your 401k What can you do about it? Nothing You can get sick right now. You know as much as we stress Get sick right now. I broke out in hives last month. It has to go to the ER a thousand dollar hospital bill Come on, man. We talked about safe. How about nigga robbing me? About nigga robbing me come on what what what true safety are we talking about here? And that's who you know, that's how they distract you again They engineer your concern about certain problems not engineering your consciousness the engineering your emotions You feel me you claim to you free Come on. And so what is true safety? And the true safety we talk about is the ability To work and contribute to a society not being unemployed The ability to know that if you get sick, you'll be taken care of The ability to get a quality education this is true safety and how does police safety means not fucking selling yourself to somebody else Like we is doing every house crime preventing you from doing that and how are the police? How will the police allow you to do those things to contribute to society to have health care to have housing? We know These are questions that need answers man hella black We're trying to build these answers come to people's programs. Yes, sir volunteer came volunteer Build your consciousness and donate to the program Hella black 145