 vamos, vamos, hombres y mujeres. Vamos adelante, vamos adelante, muy. La manera latinoamericana no es cinco minutos, quince minutos también. Quince minutos. I was pressing everyone. I was pressing quince minutos, frances. Quince minutos. Y solamente los suizos comiencen a la hora. La Virginia. La Melida. Tienes razón. Tienes razón. Alfonso, we're going to make a mix to see our different languages. We have French speaking people, we're having, we have a talent, a talent and a little strange too. But, you see, I'll leave it on to you, my friends, to to kick the maybe enough. It's nice to have you here. We've been talking a lot during the last months about the project, Breaking the Silas, Bridging the Silas. Now, we got to take a trip to Latin America. I'll leave it on to you to take us on this journey. Thanks for being with us today. Thank you. Thank you very much. Alicia, Andrea, Tom, and Eric for the opportunity, the invitation for this opportunity. I'm going to share my screen. Please let me know if you can see it. Absolutely, we can see it. Looks good. Good. Very good. As Andrea said, we've done a lot of work with you guys in terms of Breaking the Silas, connecting different areas of a hyperledger. We did the hyperledger challenge for six months, and this is a continuation along that line. And I'd like to talk about this idea of markets for innovation. And I'd like to talk about that because it is time, I think, to strengthen our blockchain ecosystem. It is time to combine technical breakthroughs with social institutional innovation. It is time to bring together businesses and developers, connect entrepreneurs with markets, broaden user bases for existing solutions, their capacity building with institutional development. And it is time also to see world issues in regional context. That way we can understand global problem domains in their local geography. And we have the perfect match to find out together, find out how to do this. We have two special interest groups, the supply chain and trade finance SIG, and the climate action and accounting SIG. And we have two regional chapters, hyperledger Latinoamérica and hyperledger Brazil. Today I'm going to talk on behalf of hyperledger Latinoamérica, and I'll invite and give our friends, Renato and Marcos to talk about Brazil in another opportunity. The supply chain and trade finance special interest group understands conference and trade. Networks that create and sell products in a geography of interactions between individuals, organizations, resources and activities. Our two groups, Latinoamérica and Brazil, which are only separated because of the language. And this is due to a bourgeois folk under there that sliced the world, one part for Portugal and another one for Spain. But it encompass 18 countries in a large portion of our globe. That has existing methods, frameworks and application that are waiting for a broader use base and opportunities for innovation for those eager entrepreneurs. I'll go quickly through a history of hyperledger for those in the attendance that don't know it. But, it's all about myself, I had to, to draw it on their, understand it. There's the foundation members of community allies and the world and the founding members started with project for businesses and industry, and then expanded the membership and the foundation. como parte de los participantes aumentados en todo el mundo. Después de todo, hay dos grupos, el grupo de intercambios especiales en la industria, y los grupos de trabajo transversal, de identidad, entre otras cosas. Entonces, el proyecto de incubación comenzó, y las labas de la hipólegia fueron creadas como un espacio de trabajo que podría ser un proyecto de incubación y eventualmente un proyecto. Las alianzas empezaron con grupos que trabajan con standardes. En el mundo, la Consorcia empezó a agregar y formar alianzas con la hipólegia. Y también las multilaterales y las organizaciones internacionales. Y esto es muy importante. La hipólegia BESU es una combinación con consensos, ok, y el ethereum. Es un híbero. Pero también estamos trabajando con el algorán relacionado con el link de la cadena, con muchas otras blockchain. Las organizaciones locales, los reguladores, las chapters regionales aparecen después. Y también el link a la academia. Y todo esto ha resultado en tiempo. En los últimos 6 años, en 6 primeros miembros, 75 miembros generales, 71 miembros asociados, 151 miembros de la fundación. Con 6 proyectos, 18 proyectos de incubación, 104 labas de la hipólegia, 7 chapters regionales, 3 miembros de trabajo, 8 miembros especialistas, 182 miembros con 90.000 participantes. Estamos grandes. Estamos grandes en la religión. Pero ¿cómo funciona eso? Empecé, como todos sabemos, con los miembros principales que se abrieron, por los miembros especialistas en el sector de la industria. Y estoy pensando en FUTROR, IBM, Walmart, y R3. Pero también, ha sido un trabajo muy fuerte en incrementar el número de participantes y trabajar con miembros. Y también con los 6 y el trabajo. En las labas de la hipólegia, hay un camino, un camino oficial, para incubar y para obtener proyectos. Y los miembros de la hipólegia reciben propuestas de miembros de la fundación, pero también, algunos de los miembros se han sido asociados por miembros generales. Y los participantes, la comunidad también, empezaron a presentar proyectos para la laba de la hipólegia. Un caso muy especial, es la acción climática. Con los capítulos regionales, algo muy interesante ha ocurrido, y eso ha ocurrido en Latinoamérica durante la pandemia. Todos nos hicimos loco, en nuestros lugares y hogares, pero suma nos permitieron combinar miembros y participantes. Y es solo natural que esto gaita, gaita a la comunidad, a través de los capítulos regionales, y gaita a los proyectos que las labas de la hipólegia se vuelven interrelados. Y eso es donde quiero presentar la idea de la innovación de los mercados. La innovación de los mercados puede ser un lugar para conectar miembros y participantes de los proyectos, business, academia, pero también lugares para enseñar, innovar, apoyar, comprar talento, o invitar en startups y talento. Y si veamos un problema en un contexto regional, entonces podemos comenzar a interconexar todas las partes de la comunidad hipólegia, la comunidad, y el mundo, miembros y participantes, y todas las botas. Trato en Latinoamérica, vamos de mano a mano, desde el descubrimiento de la nueva mundo. Yo tendría que decir desde el principio, pero no, antes de la descubrimiento de la nueva mundo. Y lo hemos hecho. ¿Qué ejemplos tenemos ahora en Latinoamérica? Voy a hablar de ejemplos de miembros distinguidos de nuestra comunidad. Walter Alvarez de Panamá, él es de Argentina, pero él vive en Panamá, es miembro de la campana. Por ejemplo, tiene BT Racer, o BT Racer, que es inteligencia, de la origen para el consumidor, para una cadena de supply. Es una plataforma de software blockchain de servicio, y le permite traer un pack de geotagging. Y básicamente le permite desarrollar la cadena de producción, procesar, costumbre, distribución, fail. Es relacionado principalmente con la comida. Son todos los sectores diferentes dentro de la comida, pero están empezando también a formar los ejemplos. Ellos están vivos con Hyperledger, BID Lab, que es el desarrollo interamericano de las empresas, y también Ricardo Ruano en Chile, y Ecuador, también un miembro de nuestra cadena. Y él tiene un caso muy interesante y relevante, un caso de blockchain para AsiServi, que es la mayor tuna de la empresa y tiene una traesabilidad que le ofrece a Sergio Sergio es su empresa. Sergio está jugando con la ortografía, pero también significa sello en español. Sello es sello, y es básicamente un sello para la tienda. Con un cumplimiento de standard, sello para el consumidor final, con normas y una integración con el negocio. Ricardo también ha hecho a Sergio un caso de usuario para la industria eléctrica, que le permite declarar los costos, los precios, la mezcla para generar la electricidad en Chile. Sergio también trabaja para el dinero para taxes. 70 millones de productos en 2022 están agregados y traes a 120 empresas para la audiencia del producto, pero también para el pago de taxas. Este es un ejemplo de que Juan Granato y Marcos de la Iglesia de la Iglesia tienen una oportunidad de presentar su trabajo. Este es el caso de la transformación de Telefonica. Por lo que esta presentación de Asociaciónföraburrida de Latinoamérica de de Telefonica, lo llamamos Bikki, con Bikki they enable the traceability of the manufacturing of their own equipment that Telefonica tells and takes care of for customers of Telefonica services. On the academic side, we have Oscar Medina, Oscar is an eminent member of the Hyper Lecture Latin America group, and he's been working at the UTN, UTN is the Universidad Tecnológica Nacional en Córdoba, Argentina. 60% de todos los ingenieros de Argentina son estudiadores de UTN, y lo manejamos a través de la capta y a través de las palabras que hacen. We managed to get UTN as the first academic associate member of Hyperledger Foundation and the Linux Foundation. It's the first example in Latin America of Hyperledger welcoming a university, they've done a lot of courses and events. They began with a course on Hyperledger Fabric, an introduction to blockchain and Hyperledger, and another event that I like very much, it's called Teenagers 4.0, and basically they engage teenagers to blockchain. They also have courses on blockchain, people oriented blockchain, specific security issues for smart contract, no private chain code, blockchain for innovation and new businesses, and through UTN we met and now she's a member of our chapter. Maria Eugenia Lari, Maria Eugenia has worked with Oracle, she is quite capable in ser own professional field, but she came up with a great idea, and it's a program that we have in the chapter that's called mujeres que abren caminos, women opening up new pathways. Periodically she invites leading ladies to talk about what they do, how they came to blockchain, and we've had Karen Otoni is right there, and this is another thing that we do. Another university that has joined Hyperledger Latinoamérica is UCA, UCA is the Universidad Centroamericana, José Cimeón Cáñez, this is a Jesuit University in El Salvador, it's part of the network of Jesuit universities all over the world. And here what we did is, we presented DLT and blockchain open source for the country, and we presented this as a compliment. We all know that El Salvador accepted Bitcoin as a legal tender, and what we propose is, that's fine, but a compliment could be to teach people about DLT and blockchain, so that the ecosystem is strengthened and grows. And this is an example, the first event we could do physically, I went there after two and a half years of recruitment, and it was a great, great response from the students. And interesting, they also have a graduate degree in supply chain, and a master in supply chain, okay. Now, this is something that is not part of the chapter as such, it will become definitely, because Eric, Eric was kind enough to introduce me to Manuel Acero, and Andreas von Zinzmann from BSCA, Eric's Blockchain Supply Chain Association. And we had great conversations, and through those conversations, I learned about Manuel's work for a model to align digital transformation with blockchain and supply chain. Manuel has an important model that not only relates what I told you, but also it allows to do a digital modeling of supply chains, digital transformation, but also the economic impact of what results from the steps you take on those fields of digital transformation supply chain. Okay, and the whole automation with smart contracts. And there is, is in Brazil, we'll talk more when, when we have the Brazil chapter, but this is the kind of advanced theoretical advance from the practical side of a business. The two of them have been in the field for a long time, and they know this one. As a larger player, Jose Chichiraki is also from Hyperledger, from Hyperledger Honduras, but he is the local financial manager for MSSC, the Mediterranean shipping company. And the interesting thing is not only, well, the bill of landing that MSC has, the electronic bill of landing, but they are working with trade lends. Okay, he was explaining to me, I don't know who is the biggest. It seems to be that, you know, this, this year, MSC did some advance over marriage, I don't know, I won't take sides. Okay, but the interesting thing is that Jose was explaining how many ports in Latin America, and he said it was more than 50. Are already using being incorporated to this complete chain of stakeholders that trade lends allows us to interconnect. I won't go into the details because you know better than what I know. Y en terms of another resource, which is important is the black chain, the interamerican development back about a thing is five years ago created a lab, an IDB lab for the for innovation in blockchain. As a result of that, there is now a American blockchain as service is the infrastructure and it's called black chain. Black chain is the name of the chain itself, and it has become a non for profit NGO, based in Uruguay, that is called a lack net. The interesting thing is not only the infrastructure technical part, but the fact that is a non non for profit is that members can get a much lower fees for the interactions. I'm working a project for property rights with black chain and the interamerican development bank. Now, but this is a project that's related directly to supply chain and our region, and it's called the cadena cadena project. In Uruguay words, cadena is change in the Spanish. No, and cadena is a blockchain solution to improve cross border exchange of data between customs administrations, allow sharing information about companies that are certified as authorized economic operators, and amongst custom offices that have signed a mutual recognition agreement of their own authorized economic operators. Well, it's a vertical of supply chain and foreign trade. No, it's blockchain plus digital identity. Black chain has a very strong emphasis on self sovereign identity. What is involved in this project are Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Peru, Guatemala, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Mexico. And they're just an impact of 2000 companies, and all the cost, through all the custom offices of the eight countries. So, when we look at the problem domain and the regional context, we could put together trade lands, the different startups, the universities I just told you about BSCA, black chain, and connect members, projects, participants, business organization, academia and other blockchain. And what we can do with that is, well, we have the pieces to assemble marketplaces for innovation, places to change mindsets and open up new paradigms, understanding the potential of this technology, places to educate and teach new skills, places to discover new business models and develop new applications, places to expand markets of opportunities, increase capacity and strengthen institutional development, and places to network and connect people and organization. And the proposals I want to make to you today is several next steps that we will be very interested to make them happen. We have talked with Anicia, Tom, Andrea, and Eric about having next February an event on Latin American opportunities for supply chain and trade finance. We could also have, and I'm thinking of March, a regional mapping initiative of use cases, platforms and startups. What does this mean? The chapter has been working for almost all this year with GBBC, which is the Global Blockchain Business Council out of Switzerland in the beginning, then London, then New York. With them, we've been working at their Global Standards Mapping Initiative, specifically on academic resources. And I was thinking that it would be very interesting, for instance, to know how many words, how many stakeholders are already connected to the trade lens. And offer a trade lens the possibility that we work together to explore how to help more stakeholders become engaged into that main or potentially main backbone of trade. But also to map use cases of startups. There's so many startups and so many entrepreneurs looking to add a relevant possibility to this backbone, and that we cannot, we should not forget them, no. And so, let's have an event, let's map what's happening. And with those two next steps, maybe, maybe we could have, with the support of all of you, a four month marketplace for innovation for supply chain and trade finance. What would that mean? It would mean to have some courses, definitely a workshop at the level of the last general workshop that Hyperledger has been doing for identity, for VESU. Continue with the idea of the challenge of the Hyperledger challenge, but now giving the challenge the possibility to connect the winners to foundation members and to market places in Latin America. And of course, to be a place for networking, for networking of people, networking of organizations, which is at the end what this team sport of blockchain is all about. If there are any questions, I'd be happy to answer them if I can. If not, I'll ask Andrea, Tom, Alicia, and Eric to help me get out of this trap that I've put myself into. It's far from being trapped actually in Alfonso. This is great insights, I mean, on my own hand. Now, I'm particularly impressed by what's going on in the continent. I was aware, of course, of all this, but it's somehow difficult to get a deep insight unless you don't get in touch with somebody that's working deep down into this. I agree, Amosai, if you want to have my point of view, this is great. We talked briefly in the past about a box place for innovation, which I do back up as an idea, looks great. I guess as you said, blockchain is about team sport, both in terms of geographical areas, but also in terms of change, management, outrun, by the way. We mentioned a few topics that are of high importance, blockchain space, interoperability, identity, all the stuff. So, I agree with you and I think we should sit around the table and work this out program that could be a great result. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, I was about to finish. This is yours, Bichini, I'm sorry. There's no problem. Actually, I don't have a question, I have some contributions. I actually... well, I take the back, I do have one. You're more than welcome. I'm working on a paper for a consultant from Mexico for Sandra Corcuerga, that Alfonso probably knows at the Interamerican Development Bank, en el uso de blockchain en la facilidad de tradición. Y hay un par de puntos. Creo que si planas una conferencia, el contenido de esa publicación debería ser terminado. No debería ser publicado, pero debería ser terminado, antes de febrero. Sin embargo, Sandra no será muy feliz con nosotros. Estamos también intentando incluir algunos estudios de caso en la publicación. Y hemos already done a framework en español y inglés para la colección de información sobre estudios de caso. Y estamos intentando ... ... ... ... ... ... Figuramos ... Sí, así que creo que podemos hablar con Sandra y si ella es capaz de compartir esa frontera que trabajamos. No hemos actualizado eso en ningún caso, que es lo que quizá sea mi pregunta. Estamos mirando y he identificado dos o tres, más allá de Cadena, para implementaciones, no de conceptos. Hay muchos proyectos de conceptos de concepto, pero para actual implementaciones. Y he visto que Tradlands tiene un número de autoridades customas y que están trabajando en Latinoamérica, pero no he identificado los puntos focales y para hablar con ellos, nos da un caso de uso. Porque queremos usar casos con personas que han implementado y que han utilizado, no necesariamente por un tiempo, pero que han implementado y que están usando blockchain en el contexto de tradición. Si alguien podría darme información de contacto para alguien que tiene una autoridad o un puerto, que no tiene que ser una autoridad customa, puede ser una autoridad puerta o una compañía que ha implementado Tradlands o otras aplicaciones de tradición, que pueden dedicar el tiempo para cumplir esta frontera y hablar con nosotros, eso sería muy bien. Sí, creo que es muy interesante. No sé, personalmente, Sandra Corcuera. Puedo preguntar y puedo ofrecerlo a usted. Puedo preguntar José Chichiraki de MSC en Honduras, para la pregunta que te preguntaste. ¿Quién es el contacto? Porque él está ahí. Él está en el contacto con esa compañía de tradición, y tal vez, por eso es un entorno. Eso es un entorno para hacer la investigación de los casos de uso que estás buscando. Eso es algo que puedo hacer. Voy a poner mi e-mail en el chat. Gracias. Ahí está. Por lo tanto, es muy interesante escuchar esto. Habla de tradición de tradición, porque en el PSCA, en Europa, el chat probablemente estará nuevo año. En Estados Unidos, con proyectos potenciales de tradición de tradición, las autoridades de customes europeas pueden ser un buen punto de cruz que en América Latina, la mayoría de nuestros viajes, son con el PSCA, Brasil, en Argentina, porque en el PSCA. Esa es la potencia de potencia. No, también podría ser interesante incluirla. Queremos la mayoría de los estudios de casos de caso para ser de las implementaciones latinoamericas. Pero es interesante tener una implementación italiana donde los partners de tradición son en América Latina. ¿Qué quiere decir que están en la pelicula? Es que no hay nada de lo que tiene que ver con el PSCA. No hay nada de lo que tiene que ver con el PSCA. En Argentina, en Argentina, el PSCA. Lo que tiene que ver con el PSCA. ¿Qué es el problema? El PSCA es un problema que se sabe. No se sabe. Esto es lo que tiene que ver con el PSCA. No se sabe. Es una cosa que no tiene que ver con el PSCA. Y no se sabe. No sé si eres familiar con esto, pero en el Centro de Trades Facilitaciones de la Universidad, un grupo que ha hecho un, creo que es de 120 páginas en blanco en Trades Facilitaciones, que está en su web, no tengo... Dice de nuevo, ¿cuál es el entorno que está involucrado? ¿Cual es el entorno? ¿Quién es el entorno? El Centro de Trades Facilitaciones de la Universidad. Que es el entorno de la Universidad. No tengo que salir y ir a su web para obtener... Perfecto. ¡Sé! ¡Wonderful! Tom, Alicia, Eirik, ¿Qué te va a dar en esta presentación por Alfonso? ¡Gracias por escuchar! Es muy útil escuchar sobre diferentes usas que están pasando en Latinoamérica. La mayoría de los que sé en la región son las cosas que están facilitadas por IBM, como eso. He vivido en Ecuador, así que es especialmente importante para mí escuchar sobre el proyecto Tuna que mencionaste con, ¿qué es el nombre? Ricardo Rono. Así que voy a verlo más tarde, porque Tuna Seafood es una gran parte de la economía. Entonces, creo que va a ser algo que voy a querer ver más. Especialmente, como mencionaste, se está integrando la comprensión. Porque eso tiene usas a través de otros productos también. A través de otros proyectos también. Voy a estar feliz de conectarte con Ricardo. Ricardo Rono. Voy a poner mi e-mail en el chat. Muchas gracias. Gracias. Y él estará el único a responder a tu interés. Sí, es una gran cosa. Es una gran cosa. Están intentando tener un anuncio, creo, de enero. Yo tengo... Ellos me compartieron parte del video, el video que están haciendo. Y, en ese caso... Pero, sí, hablé de... Ricardo fue bien suficiente para introducirme a sus clientes y el colegio de este Tuna interparece. Andrea, me voy a compartir mis ideas aquí. Puedo preguntar a las personas, creo que perdemos a algunas de las personas aquí, pero a las que están escuchando, en el replay o el recorrido de YouTube, creo que deberíamos decirlo aquí. Queremos que te acompañe. Alfonso, creo que el propósito, el que hablamos de tener un anuncio a su padre, en algún momento en febrero, hace perfecto sentido. Es una cosa que creo que es valiosa para nosotros, y creo que podríamos, de una perspectiva de uso, sé que eso fue en marzo, pero algo que es una... No es realmente un problema, una oportunidad. Hacemos un montón de tracer y tracer tipo de cosas, y eso es muy prevalente en la cadena de supply. Todas las cosas buenas. Una de las cosas que va a hacer esto, es que el tracer está quedando allá de la cadena de supply. Entonces, cuando tienes esa información, ¿qué vas a hacer con eso? Y aquí, si estás escuchando el recorrido en YouTube, o estás en esta sesión, begins a pensar, ¿qué podemos hacer con la cadena de supply? Y si podemos hacer eso... Se puede hacer lo que sea. Y creo que un montón de eso también se hace con la cadena de financiamiento. por ejemplo, que están pagando este tipo de cosas, o los términos y condiciones que puedes tener si puedes mostrar algo de este trácanse y trácanse, la habilidad más allá de lo que currently tienen ahí. Tu compras de los puntos de la liga, una vez que trácanse y trácanse a cualquier nivel, la R&G, lo que es lo que es lo que es la solicitación de la base, lo que es mucho de financiamiento, así que expande enormemente el todo el sujeto. Trato de financiamiento tiene mucho que hacer con la operación y todo. Entonces, una vez que trácanse, trácanse toda la información, ¿qué hacer con eso? Así que puede ayudar a nosotros a hacer un trabajo cruzado, cruzado, en muchos puntos de la liga. Es algo de trácanse y trácanse. Y esto puede ser realmente algo de trabajo, desde el trabajo en el que puedes crear específicos lugares y trabajos de ahí, intrapropiabilidad digital de identidad, trácanse, financiamiento. Yo creo que lo permiten, pero en muchos puntos de la base, que deberíamos caracterizarlo. Perdón, ¿cuál es la forma? Claro. Y he escuchado, porque he estado en conversaciones con las personas aquí en la región que están trabajando en eso. Es todavía confidencial, pero básicamente la idea es que el data de trácanse, automáticamente va a grandes estados de data y a analítica. Entonces, es financiado y trácanse, trácanse, como dice Andrea, pero también es sobre analítica. Y creando estos estados de data que pueden ser analizados después. Y trabajas en la tecnología de trácanse, por cierto, con eso. Entonces, este es el nivel de edad, el nivel de la tecnología de trácanse. Y esto es genial, porque puedes hacer un montón de textos, un amigo que también ayuda a mejorar el blockchain. Esa es la pregunta que tengo aquí en el chat. Let's take a look at this one. Sorry, it comes from Elizabeth Green. What parts of COP 27 negotiations affect carbon trading as flight chain? Carbon tracking. And she shared it. Elizabeth, you know more about this than any of us. No, you could teach us. I know, Elizabeth, we are together in the climate action and accounting SIG, and specifically in the standards subgroup. But I left out of this presentation the Brazil chapter because they have to come on their own. But also the other sake I belong to climate action and accounting. Not only because I didn't have the time to put all together, but also because since the very beginning, SIGEN has been in touch with this group and also with the financial markets, a special interest group. And he has used the e-thaler that Beeping did for the financial markets group. And he has used that token to relate supply chains with climate action and with carbon credit. But I don't know, I'm very honest. I don't know what has happened in this past two weeks at COP 27. And what I know is that there is interest in the 26 to bring the two issues together. Carbon tracking, you know, and supply chain. This is Bridging the Silas, Breaking the Silas, Bridging the Silas of Fonsa, isn't it? Discuss in depth last year. I didn't hear the beginning of your... This is Breaking the Silas, Breaking the Silas, what we discussed last year. Yes, yes, but that happened quite well. I mean, SIGEN was a very good leader in that Breaking the Silas effort because he jumped through three silos, financial markets, this one and climate action and accounting. But those resources are there. I mean, they do have their hyperledger lab, know that can be looked into for description of the work and for COP. Yeah, this is knowing, this is indeed knowing how to deal with use cases, sir. Which is a winning factor. So I guess the crossing, you see pathway through the hyperledger that's in America. On this six would be a winning move. And I wish to have, by the way, hyperledger Brazil chapter, Renato and Marcos. We talked to them, by the way, here in our contest earlier this year. So we should be recapping with both of them. We need them too. They're saying on the top of them, maybe 1st December, I think that would be loud. And this year, we talked to both of them. We guest them, we hear the rolling signs. We test the rolling availability. We'll go for that. First quarter of 2023 could be dedicated to really breaking the Silas and reaching the Silas between SIGS, between chapters. It could be a nice thing to do. Virginia, you have your hand raised. I was going to say, I've been working on a project for the last almost two years in the UN system on traceability and textile and leather value chains that has done a proof of concept in Peru for organic cotton. But what they've done or we've done is we've done the systems descriptions for attaching for including sustainability information in traceability systems. And we've also done the data mapping and the data definitions for including sustainability information in traceability systems. So this might be of interest to anyone who's working on blockchain systems where they want to collect information about the origin and the goods or certificates of origin for things like all the certificates for not using dangerous chemicals for having organic products. This, I don't know, like 50 or hundreds of different certificates you can have for sustainability and they've defined the data for certificates and how to attach those to traceability data and wear. So that's maybe of interest to people. And the other thing that I wanted to mention is that traceability sounds very good. And traceability in short supply chains. Like if you have a farmer, a warehouse, a wholesaler or even two wholesalers and a shipper in a final destination like Walmart and Carrefour have frequently, it's not so difficult to implement. But once you go down and they call each layer suppliers of the suppliers of the suppliers tiers and once you go down low tier three, it starts to become more difficult from a business process standpoint to ensure that everyone's involved and many value chains down at that level. It's sort of like, I mean, you go through the local suppliers and you pick the lowest price or you go through and you pick an overseas supplier who's the lowest price. I mean, I have a brother-in-law who's got a textile factory in Peru and he just goes through and says, who's going to give me the cheapest thread for the value. And he's not building up a data chain to collect information each time he changes suppliers. So I think that's a challenge in the traceability area. Thank you. Thank you very much, Eugenia, for the two examples. Regarding the first, I want to share with you something that we learned through the climate action and accounting standards group. This through Kyle Robinson, he works for British Columbia. Okay. And British Columbia has an implementation of a very interesting use of verifiable credentials or self-submarine identity, to use those verifiable credentials as certificates. And the interesting thing about this is that you can really decentralize the issuing, the holding, and the verification of the certificate because it becomes a credential. Now, I've learned from Kyle and that's what we're doing with IDP for property. That is a massive project, by the way. Also Nancy Norris is involved in this. And a guy, Calvin Haslund, at BSEA last month of May, we guessed it. And in the framework of a much large framework, we guessed the speech by Calvin Haslund, which is also involved in this. They used a bunch of high-density technology. One thing that Hyperledger Foundation might work on that would help support that kind of self-submarine identity is looking at how to get all of the different certification agencies signed on. Because if you actually get a certificate, well, I say you have a certificate. But for that certificate to be a credential, it has to be verified by the issuing body. And one of the problems that they've had in this UN project is getting the issuing organizaciones to participate. Because a lot of them are associations or NGOs with limited financing. But yes, you're correct. But it's the two sides of that problem. One is the engagement of the source of truth. And that's institutional part. And the other side of the coin is the technical issue of the verification process. And I agree with you on the first one. The second one, once you go with verifiable credentials, it's very easy because you don't have to bother the source of truth. The source of truth already has a decentralized identifier. That is in blockchain. And so all you have to query is when you receive the verifiable credential, all you check is whether the DID of the source of truth is correct or not. Now, that might, and that's what we're doing now, that might help. It's not a guarantee, but that might help to engage more sources of truth to engage in this ecosystem. Because it's not submitting their authority to a centralized association of sources of truth. But it's saying, listen, if you go this way, you might or you might not be part of it. It's decentralized. And that might be a way of interesting, more small issuers of verifiable credentials could be. Yes. And also, there are higher standards than there are in gold. We're working on one of them. And I'm putting in the chat something I hope works. A link to what Seichen has developed. And welcome to blockchain and carbon counting. And what you can do in there is put one of your certificates. So you can select the activity type and put in your certificates and show that you have the resource and then get their issuers within this that will issue certificates that will issue the number of credits, carbon credits or emissions tokens. And I hope that you'll get involved with this. I really want to test this first though. So I hope you get involved with this and that's it. Over. Thank you. It's definitely interesting. Yeah. Okay. It works. Let me put it in the chat. So I think we have come top of an hour. And I would love to thank you Alfonso. But let's keep the line open. By the way, it was a very interesting conversation. Let's continue by the way talking among three of us and the four of us actually internally in SIG but with you as well. It's pretty easy for us to exchange info. Let's bring in discussion also Renato and Marcos, good friends of ours. And for the first quarter of next year, I think there is a huge, huge, huge space delivering something really insightful. We just need to sit around the virtual table just like with it today we don't have. We don't need too many folks, the right ones and go delivering. That's next challenge 2023. This is my last take on this. So I mean, if Tom, Rip, Alicia, you don't want anything else. We'd like to close down the meeting and give a point then to all the six members into its time. Virginia, feel free to join us again. It's going to be interesting for us to have you on these events. I know you work and I'll be following you on LinkedIn. So you're always welcome, just like Elizabeth, by the way, and all the members in the other six climate change financial markets, whoever wants to join. It's more than welcome. So see you in two weeks time. Oh, sorry. Sorry, I was just going to say on the meeting agenda, meeting agenda, but a note that on November 29th, there's going to be an event, the FDA's tech enabled traceability new standards to improve food supply chain transparency. Food safety magazine organized that. So for other people who are interested in traceability around food and agriculture, that's an event that might be of interest. Definitely very insightful, very interesting, Alicia. Now, thanks for joining us. Let's keep continuing talking about this. I would love to join. Wonderful. See you in two weeks time. Alfonso, muchísimas gracias y hasta luego. Nos vemos. Hasta luego. De nada. Es un placer. Un placer. Abrazo para todos. Hasta luego. Everybody. Thank you. Bye Tom.