 Thank you very much. And now, Paula Francesca, please take over. Okay, thank you. Welcome to our Lightning Talk. We are Francesca Concia. And Paola Corti. From METI, the Polytechnico di Milano. Polytechnico di Milano, yes. And the experience we are sharing today is tells the story of the shift of two MOOCs from different CC licenses associated to single videos to being completely CC by in one case and from all rights reserved to CC licensed in the other. So the common elements in both cases. Instructional designers, you see them in red in the presentation were committed to advocate around the opening them. And both MOOCs involved a large team of content experts from different institutions and you see them in white. So let's start with the first MOOC higher education for sustainable development goals. This one was designed involving a team of 31 professors and experts coming from two universities. This one was a coral multidisciplinary and challenging work, given its nature, just imagine more than 30 professors and content experts from two different universities, which were Polytechnico di Milano and the university study working often for their first time for a shared MOOC. So since the beginning of the design phase, we started proposing CC license as a possibility inconsistency mainly with the SDG for quality education for all which was one of the contents of the MOOC itself. Both professors didn't really know about open license actually so we explained to each content expert, one by one, when they were available, what the CC license would mean for them for their work and for the audience at large. And this storyboards were a work in progress. Then the implementation phase arrived. So video recordings and post production with graphic elements chosen within the boundaries set by the licenses choice of each video. And this was the moment in which each professor after their recordings should sign the document with their choice around the CC license and things went crazy. I'll think about it later. Please tell me what to choose. Please don't make me choose. You do it. And so the implementation phase, which should have lasted just a few months, went on for more than a year. Many people, many reasons as one can easily imagine. And if you ever worked with the professors or if you are a professor, you know that things can get crazy with timing. But that was actually our best chance to advocate further and further around the opening licenses as far as possible and the perseverance and commitment were the key elements in this process. And that's what happened actually one telephone call at a time, one email at a time, one professor at a time, one license at a time and the whole MOOC was finally published with all contents with CC by license. The second experience that we are sharing refers to the MOOC essential radio chemistry for society, which promote promote the awareness about the userfulness of nuclear and radio chemistry and the aims at mitigating the special skill skill based that they teach it within our chemistry master and doctorate levels. One of the outputs of a cinch projects network started started in 2010 and involving 14 partners from 11 European countries, including universities, research institutions and partners from industry. The MOOC production process took more than a year. Never during this period, any partner thought about the possibility of releasing contents with an open license guarantee of openness already appeared to be the fact that it was always online. The occasion to introduce a common reflection about OER was the collaborative writing of a new proposal for a new project to be submitted for European funding, which set precise conditions. New methods and tools based on most recent pedagogical knowledge and rather than developing new programs or courses to adapt the existing ones. Leveraging on those concepts, partners have been proposed to design a model aimed at spreading the created knowledge, releasing and sharing teaching learning material materials as open educational resources and practices. The idea for the new project is first to start from an analysis of the existing resources to look at the integrity of the material provided as far as well as their accessibility for the users. Then to list them according to criteria and metadata and finally to design a model to release them as OER. So sharing knowledge on nuclear radiochemistry will contribute in stimulating the best educational use of the internet's potential. So let's go with the takeaways of this experience, why we are sharing it, because we believe that it could be useful for someone else who is working with MOOC design and want to release them with open licenses. Let's start with the first. The specific contents offered in the two MOOCs gave instructional designers hints about how to deal with objections, doubts, reticences and oppositions by content experts. So take into consideration that also the content in itself might offer you a chance to advocate for open. Secondly, each person involved counts, content experts, methodology experts and technicians. In both MOOCs, we met many people to be convinced about going open, but on the other side, when the wave started, no one wanted to stop it. Of course, it's not as easy as saying it, but it was a fact. Then be a reliable advocate. You can build upon proposals if you are liable when asked specific questions about licenses. And then pay attention to each step of the MOOC design and implementation process because they can offer you the most effective insight about when to propose open licensing and be ready to listen all the time. Then don't forget the value of patience and respect for the expert's perspective. If you wait and persevere, it might work. And finally, every cloud has a silver lining. A prolonged time frame might become an opportunity. We didn't perceive it as an opportunity at the beginning as anyone involved in MOOC design can easily imagine. But then anyway, it's better to start as soon as possible when the project begins with talking about open licensing. So thank you. And we finished. And thank you also for Chiara Diterlizzi, who is the graphic designer who supported us in designing this presentation. And if anyone has questions, please go ahead. Thank you very much to both of you. You still have two minutes left, so that's quite impressive. There was a question from Bea who was asking if you had to do something differently, like what would that be, right? So if you had to start again, what would you differently? Okay, thank you for this question. Well, actually, as you easily can imagine Bea, the main problem was that the time was hugely delayed from the initial plan. And this was not in our control. So what we would do, what we would do next time in the case of the MOOC around SDGs would be to organize a meeting with all professor at least once before the MOOC begins in order to advocate around open precisely once and for all. Because it took us a huge amount of time actually to contact them one by one later on. But I am not really sure that this would have worked because actually one of the key experiences, one of the key takeaways from this experience was actually that after a while after spending a lot of time talking around the open licensing when we met them one by one offering the coffee or something after the recordings, that's what actually worked. Okay, and then they asked a lot of questions, but what worked was accompanying them with the specific part of the work that was anyway required from us so being good at developing MOOCs. Okay. And then that's what made us being reliable also on licensing I would say I don't know about Francesca but the same the same experience. And the question there, would you decide on a license as a starting point. Actually, we started with CC by NC. Initially, because some of them were worried about commercial reuse of their resources. Some of them were also oriented around and the, and which actually we tried not to encourage us since the very beginning. I don't know it depends on the contents in my case, the MOOC was around SDGs so it was perfectly consistent with the content of the MOOC to go for the widest license possible. In the case of Francesca, the story is very different. So I leave the floor to Francesca for an answer. Yes. I'm out of time. I write the answer. Okay. Thank you for all of these questions and it's lovely answers congratulations. First of all, congratulations on all of your hard work to make MOOCs really truly open as you mentioned and I think that this question also comes from there because of the role that she is involved in I think there. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but please continue engaging with this. Yes, so you can continue engaging or orgy. And yes, if you are, if you haven't been looking at the impact of this truly open MOOCs yet then I think that you should consult with Lien about her framework for that kind of activity. Just making a little connection here.