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Here comes the show. The best time of the day for consistency and long-term results. Midnight. First thing in the morning. First thing in the morning. Have you guys actually, have you ever done like a, like a midnight? Come on, dude. Of course I have. Absolutely. Have you worked out at most times today? I have. I've done it all. And what about you, Justin? I don't know if I've done a midnight workout. So I'll, so I'll, I'll tell a story. And I'll get back to it. I tried coming back from the club and working out before that's what I did. I didn't go to a club, but I was drinking. Yes. And then I did go work out and ended up pulling a lat. I don't even know you could do that, but apparently you can. If you've had a little bit too much to drink, can you go work out? Oh, you think it was like maybe the dehydration, huh? I think it was just no, like lack of control. Pull the lat muscle. Don't do that. It's pretty smart. Yeah. No, here's why I think, because this is a common question, right? What's the best time of the day to work out? Now, of course, the best time of the day to work out is the one that's going to work best for you and your schedule. However, through the decades that I've worked in gyms, there's some, some things that I noticed quite consistently with the morning crowd that you see in the gym. So when you work in these big box gyms and you're working them, you know, day in and day out, you start to notice trends. And there's definitely a morning crowd that comes in. They typically come in between five a.m. to seven a.m. They're by far the most consistent workout block of people. Well, it's just because nothing interrupts that. It's the very first thing they get up, they go do it, they get it done. And it's just like, you know, throughout the rest of the day, you're going to get inundated with all kinds of things coming your way that you have to deal with and it might actually like ruin your chance for that window. That's true. I feel like there's a bit of a bias here, though. I think that I think that says more about those type of people than it does the time of the day so much. Like, I think if you're the type of person that gets up and starts their routine like that, and because like, I think it has more to do with them than it does like, oh, it's because they're doing it in the morning. It's like, you're the type of person that will get up an extra hour early to go get your chicken or the egg. That's the same person who spends the extra day of studying for the tests when they were kids. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I think that says more about the person who shows up to work always 15 to 30 minutes early, which has more responsibilities in their plate. Yeah. Well, and by the way, I'm not this guy. Well, I say love midday workouts, but I just can't do that. Yeah. And I will say this. That's why we should learn from these people, right? They have figured out how to keep it consistent and one of the strategies is to start your day that way. Things don't get in the way and it also sets the tone for the day because this year's the other thing I noticed about the morning crowd versus the rest of the crowd, they were more serious. They had better moods, of course, the consistency and the results. The morning crowd was typically more fit than any other time of the day crowd. And it has to do with all of those things. I mean, I've always wanted to be that guy. I've always and I've tried multiple times in my lifting career to become that guy, but I just and I think that my challenge is and this is just an excuse, right? Like, like I I love my nights, like, especially even more so now that I have a kid than before, because that's kind of my time with Katrina. I get home from work, I get to play with Max for a few hours before it's time for us to get ready to put him down. He goes down somewhere between seven thirty and eight. And basically eight to midnight is my alone time with my wife where I get to watch movies or have time to wake up early. Yeah, because I stay up late with her. Right. It's not. And I mean, I totally could discipline myself to say, like, hey, by nine thirty, we're in bed and then that's it. You know, fun time has to happen before that. And if it doesn't, then. But does it rarely happen? And a lot of times she's wrapping up either work stuff still or maybe laundry stuff or I'm cleaning house. And then really it's like nine nine thirty when we finally get to like, hey, let's watch a Netflix show. Also, you should add, though, that compared to the average person, you're extremely consistent. I mean, you don't work out every day, but you work out every week and you work at least multiple times a week very consistently. So it's it's working for you. But, you know, for the average person, because I've had lots of clients where we've had this conversation where consistency was a challenge. And we said, I said, you know, let's try morning workouts. And of course it's like, oh, I got to wake up early. I said, well, let's plan it and see what happens. And it's a very effective strategy. Once they did it, it was like they became very consistent. And the other thing for me, at least, you know, I I definitely perform better later in the day. So I don't have my best workouts in the morning. I'm stronger in the afternoon. I'm going to hit more PRs. I'm going to get better pumps and a lot stuff. That was a point I was going to bring up, mainly because you also have to enjoy it, right? So I I want to be that guy as well. And I struggle with being the morning person, whatever. And so, you know, I think you have to go through a few barriers of discipline to be able to get to that point. So there's a few things for me that were hurdles with trying to do in the morning is that I just don't feel like I'm even I have my wits about me. Yeah. And it takes like some, you know, bit of momentum to get that to towards the end of your workout. You're finally like, oh, now I'm starting to feel it. I'm starting to get in the groove, but you don't get there until like consistently you do this week after week and it becomes a pattern. Now your body starts to recognize. And I'm going to be honest with you. That's partially true and partially not true in the sense that, yeah, you do get better at morning workouts as you do consistently. And I've been doing this now for years. Still struggle. I still will perform better in the afternoon. Yeah. But at this point, what I value more than like the superior, crazy, awesome work consistency, the consistency. And it trumps it. I'm better at I'm better at work. Let's get that workout first. Come in here at podcast. Great. I'm better during the day. I'm better with my kid. It sets the stage because, you know, if you start your day with something hard, I mean, this is the truth now. You start the day with a struggle that you kind of overcome, which is what workouts kind of are a little bit. The rest of the day tends to move. That's a hundred percent true. Even when I hate doing it and I like it always sets the tone for the day for the day and it's always positive. So my question to you is then, are you very consistent and disciplined with your night routine because of that? Yes. So do you have like a hard stop? Like we do not go to bed later than this or like you all like, will you even like leave Jessica downstairs watching TV and you'll go up to bed at a certain time? Like what is your nights? Yeah. So and that's the other thing that I like about it is it also contributes to consistency with sleep because you can't make it work if you go to bed late, right? Yeah. You can't. Now the cool thing is my wife also values sleep as well. So by 930, 10 o'clock, we're typically in bed and asleep. And usually by 730 or so, the baby is down. We might spend an hour with the older kids. So by 830, her and I have like an hour or two together and then we go to sleep and wait. So it sets everything up and it puts everything in kind of this consistent schedule. If I didn't work out first thing in the morning, it would be, there's no way I'd be consistent. So I've sort of thrown a wrench in this whole thing because I've been trying really hard to do like a morning thing and then, you know, be consistent. But I'm in that same predicament where I only have, you know, a certain amount of time to hang out my wife and it's like, you know, the kids go down like at nine at this point, just to get them, we try at eight, you know, it just starts to kind of move its way more towards nine and then we only have that much time where we end up staying up to like 11, 12 o'clock. I'm not really motivated. I'll get up. So my whole thing is to split it up throughout the day. So I'll do like 15 minutes, you know, first thing, I'll go, you know, midday, I'll try and hit it. And then the end of the day, I'll try and hit it as well. So it's like, it's not as big of a commitment per se, but like, again, it helps to keep me consistently stimulating my muscles at least because I'm in a different goal these days than it was before. I like that a lot. I've done that and I really enjoy the way that makes me feel. You know, the other thing I'd like to see, and I don't know any studies on this, but I did notice this with clients was that their diets tended to be better on the days that they worked out in the morning. And I think it's because you work on the morning and then the rest of the day, now I can see how there's my backfire. Somebody may say, oh, I worked out so I can eat more. But usually what would happen is someone would have their workout and then the rest of the day, they were like, oh, I'm already working out. Let me eat a little healthier. Let me make better choices. So I would like to see some data on that. This is just my own anecdote, but I think it would also contribute to, because you're more consistent with your workouts, maybe more consistency with nutrition as well. Yeah, Doug, you're a night owl too, right? I mean, I know you have to struggle to do the mornings I would think too. I do. So what happens oftentimes is I get working on things and then I see the time getting later and later and I have to finish what I'm doing. So I want to be a person that goes a bit earlier, but I don't oftentimes, but I'm still coming in in the mornings and I do prefer a morning workout. Yeah, usually you're in here with me doing a little bit of. Yeah, because by the afternoon, I'm tired, right? And I don't really feel like working out. Well, if I had a perfect schedule, my schedule would literally be work out first thing in the morning, work, whatever, 2, 3 p.m. Take a nap and then stay up a little later and then go to bed. I've got a buddy who gets like day naps, dude. I love naps. Yeah, he gets day naps. I know you love naps. And I can 30 minutes and I can go boom, 30 minutes and wake up and I feel. I wish we could do that. You get a superpower. I know, that's great. Adam, earlier you brought something up off air and you said you wanted to talk about this show. I want to hear more about this. Is it Logan Paul or which brother's putting together this league? And he did it with, who was it with? It was the, right? Yeah, it was, no, was it Arnold? It was at the Arnold where they, you're talking about Slapbox? Yes, yeah, they partnered up and did you guys watch the highlights from it? Dude, hold on a second. So we've talked. This is a thing now? Well, I mean, you've seen, you were the one that first showed me that they do it. Oh yeah, I know that. But it's my mainstream? I made it to the Arnold, because Arnold Classic's going on right now. So it made it there and Logan Paul, and it must be, is it Arnold? Could you look it up for me, Doug, who he partnered with? It was either him or the rock. He, one of the, one of those guys he partnered with and they put on like this. This is the funniest thing. Yeah, the slap, the slap. I don't know, would you call it slap boxing? Is that what it's called? Or slap? It's like the slap. You get one slap. You just sit there and you're just like, they have to take it. Like this guy winding up all the way and just wham right in the face. Yeah, it's not boxing like you can cover up and block. It's literally, I'll hit you. You hit me. It's like, how much you can take? How much force you can take to your face? And people think just because your hand is open, you can't mess up someone's brain. A few years ago, you introduced it. I had never even seen it before. And we were on one of those kicks where we were like weird sports all over the country. And you, I remember you shared it with us. If you guys ever seen this. Yeah. And yeah, it's, it's getting big now. Who did he do? Oh, it was Arnold. So he did co-host it with Arnold. I wasn't sure if it was Arnold or not. Wow. Yeah, and there's that one Russian dude with this. This one right here. There was that one Russian dude with the beard. You see that they chalk up their hand and everything? Yeah. Why would you chalk your head? Better grip on the face. Yeah, so the slide, so the slip, the slip over. Yeah, so what, I'm interested in the technique with it because you'd think if you caught somebody's ear, it would like hit some part of their equilibrium and blow out their ear drum. Well, I even think too, like how you, like if you lead with your palm versus cupped, right? If you cupped, you're gonna, you're gonna absorb a little bit of it. Or if you lead with your palm. What I've seen, cause I watched a few of these videos, the most effective guys, they hit with the heel of the palm and they hit in the chin. Yeah, but they're trying to go for that knockout spot. And they knock them out, dude. Oh, man. It's kinda cool, I'm not gonna lie. Dude, it's fun to watch. There's a lot of silly- I can't believe you'd signed up for that. Can I say something right easy? If I was 15, I 100% would have shot a video of this and then done this with my friends. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's a given. Part of the news that why I put on there too is I'm just, I'm fascinated in the Paul brothers and just what they're doing, you know? Like you talk about, I mean, I know if you're like our generation or older, you kind of like, you know, scoff at them or you just think that they're, you know, a bunch of stupid, silly kids, but you gotta give them some credit for like how savvy they are business-wise. I mean, they literally are building an empire. You saw they released that drink too that they're doing now too. I swear to God, we are, if you, you ever seen the parallels between the fall of the Roman Empire and like where our society's going? We're there. Literally. Our empire is crumbling. Literally, like they had the Colosseum, they would have like, you know, pregnant women fight little people. That was real? Yeah, dude, they would have crazy battles in the Colosseum with weird like situations like too little people versus one, you know, normal person or, you know, two women versus a man and to the death or whatever. That was towards the end of the fall of the Roman Empire. I swear to God, we're going in that direction. And you guys have seen those leagues where they have, they'll have like five against five or they'll have armor and it's legit. Like they're actually with swords, real swords and shields and they're blasting each other. What, like, this is getting hilarious. Where are we going to go with this? Well, it's the last before everybody dips into the metaverse, dude. It's only, it's only, it's around there. Yeah, I can't, I wish maybe Doug could look this up for me too, because I was trying to tell this story to someone. We're just burning up the dollar. What, what, what level, like, so right now we're in what, four K, we're getting ready to move into six K, I think, or eight K? Eight. Eight K, right? So we're getting ready to move into eight K and I thought I heard somewhere that 24 K, you cannot tell the difference between reality and virtual reality. That's a weird dude. And so we, and we just went from four, we're jumping to eight right now. So what? You know what I'm worried about? Less than 10 years from now? So here's what I'm worried about with that. When it gets to that point, the propaganda is going to be really crazy. How, first of all, propaganda now is very challenging to decipher between what's real and what's propaganda. People fall for shit all the time, including me, right? We're all gullible. All the new war propaganda coming out. It's crazy. What are you gonna do when you see an actual person saying stuff? I get the sense, I don't know about you guys, but I get the sense of like, like even like my buddies and I when we, we share stuff that like, oh, did you see this? Like right away now, which was not, Yeah, right away, you're skeptical. No, I doubt it. I doubt that. I'm sure that's fake. That's part of the problem too, because now if real, true stuff comes out, you automatically are biased. If it doesn't fit in your narrative, I don't, because how many times does this happen? You share a study with someone or an article, they'll be like, oh, I don't, oh, that's so-and-so network. I don't even believe anything that they say. So you're like, damn, like how do I, how do I communicate to people who disagree in ways to kind of, you know, maybe come to a consensus? That's the challenge. Did you find what level it is, Doug? What I'm really seeing right now is 16K being discussed. What? Nothing about 24K. So, I'm not saying- I'm not sure how it works. Maybe it's 32K. Okay, yeah. So it's somewhere between like 24 and 32 is what I thought I heard is indistinguishable between reality and being in the virtual reality. Damn. Speaking of all this tech and stuff, so I was laughing because I saw a post on Twitter that, okay, so here's some companies that have boycotted Russia. So you know the whole deal with going off Russia. And so all these companies are voluntarily saying, we're banning our services- Can't have Facebook anymore. I saw one with like Google Maps just like eliminated Russia. Off the map. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, Facebook, TikTok, Netflix, only fans in Pornhub, now banning Russia. So apparently what we're trying to do is make them the most well-read, smart, awesome people of all time. Angry, energetic guys. We're gonna take away porn and social media and what's next, junk food? We're gonna take away junk food. Take that. They're gonna get healthier and smarter. 10 years from now, they're all fit and smart and you know, like super balanced. Hey, what's up guys? So what's your opinion on a lot of that stuff that's happening? Is it massive virtue signaling? Yeah. Okay, you do think it's that. Okay, so here's the deal. Cause obviously cutting Pornhub up is not going to, or stopping it from going to Russia is not doing it. You have a bunch of like angry, like- It's more to say like- Angry, 18 year old guys, bring us back. No, okay, so I'm not even gonna pretend to really have a strong opinion on this, how complex, it's a very complex situation that's going. I don't think there's a perfect answer, but I will say this, if you look at the historical, just go look at in history, the success rate of sanctions and boycotting companies and, you know, or companies boycotting their services or very strong sanctions. What you, and this is just true. So this isn't my opinion. They fail far more often than they succeed. Cause what happens is- I saw you tweet that and you got into it a little bit. I was reading your thread on that. And my thing that I would challenge that is, it's different though, this time than it's ever been before, right? The way the type of sanctions that we can put on as far as how crippling it can be to a country- Oh no, we crippled the shit out of Germany after World War I. We crippled the hell out of them, which gave rise to Hitler. So here's what tends to happen. And I'm not saying we shouldn't do it. I'm not saying we should. I'm not gonna even pretend to be an expert in this. Very complex, but I will say this, again, if you look historically, here's what tends to happen. When you do crippling sanctions on a country- This emboldens their leader, right? Well, it doesn't hurt the people at the top because they can get what they want still. What it does, it hurts the people. So now their prices of energy are super expensive. Their food's expensive. They can't get the goods they want. They can't do what they want or whatever. So what tends to happen is they tend to get angry towards the countries that are issuing the sanctions, not towards their leadership. What it tends to happen is it tends to create this really strong nationalism where they get behind their leader. Cause now it's really easy for a leader to say- Us versus them, right? Yeah, we did this to, again, we did this to Germany. We did this to Cuba and lots of other countries. Is these leaders come out and say, look at all these countries that are trying to hurt us. We need more power, more sovereignty, get behind us. And they tend to do that. So we may galvanize the Russian people behind their leaders with a lot of these sanctions. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't do them. I'm just saying it's not as easy as take all their stuff away and they'll do what we want. It may backfire to the point where they support even more so what Putin's doing and you get this real strong. Imagine if this happened to America, okay? So right now, if you look at the polls, Biden, very unpopular, all those popular is going up a little bit cause we have a foreign threat. This is always what happens. Nonetheless, very unpopular. Imagine if all these major companies started taking away their services and putting sanctions on us. We go to get products and services, everything's five, six times, 10 times more expensive. People are struggling. What can we do? It'll be really easy for Biden to get everybody behind him. Right, and say blame it on them. Of course. So it's not an easy situation. And a lot of these companies are doing it because I think they wanna show that they're supporting but who they're really hurting are the, for example, God, there was a Russian writer. I can't remember his name. It's really pissing me off right now but there was a Russian writer who wrote about the oppression of communism. He wrote from the gulags and his books are being banned in some European countries cause they're banning Russian writers. Like the irony of that. Here's somebody that was, that wrote about, you know, oppression and tyranny. Like four warnings of what's happening. Yeah, or we're banning Russian students from doing certain things, Russian teams. I think the FIFA video game or whatever, the soccer game took the Russian. Yeah. Like who are you hurting with that? And the blowback from that might be a lot worse than what we think we're accomplishing. I think that's, you know, we need to consider that. Yeah, it's so complex. That's why I get so annoyed with anybody that has an opinion about it but just based off of what mainstream media tells you how to think. Yeah. Like let's slow down and think about this. Like how all this is gonna work out. So of all, I think the thing that interests me the most of what's going to happen or what move we're gonna do next is that this idea that we're probably gonna end up having to print more money. That to me is what's cute. If you wrote like a game plan and you wrote and you're like, okay, how do we destroy the dollar? It would be exactly what's happening. How many times we've done this so far since the pandemic? Yeah, cause we have inflation was going through the roof anyway. Gas is going through the roof. You know, food price is going through the roof. Now we're gonna do these sanctions which is, you know, already wheat is exploded in price. So if gas gets more expensive, everything gets more expensive because of how dependent everything is on fuel. So price is gonna go up. People are gonna be able to afford things. So the Fed then comes out and says, we're gonna help you out by printing more money which then can cause more inflation. So, you know, it's like a death spiral. So let's see what happens. Hopefully it's not looking good. Hopefully they create a world currency, you know, digital world currency. No, no. I mean, I really think that's what's coming. And I think that we're gonna, I think we're gonna see UBI. I really do think that it, and it's gonna be a government digital currency that's going to help all these people get gas, get food, get these things. They'll say where you can use it. But have limitations to it all over the place. I should say, not everybody. Most people are gonna get behind it. They're gonna think it, because they're gonna be getting tired of $10 gas prices and, you know, $7 loaves of bread. Like, you're gonna see that happen and they're gonna go, we need this and it's gonna, they're just gonna let the government get a little bit more of a foothold now, dude. It's gonna be really, really weird this next year to two years. What's that quote from, was it the Rothschild quote? I care not who makes the country's laws so long as I make the currency or I control the currency or something like that. Yeah, there's a lot of power in controlling the currency, especially if it's digital. So I'm not saying this would happen, but I'm gonna, let's everybody put on our tinfoil hats for a second. If all currencies digital, it's not hard for an emergency to gather support for now the government to say, this group of people, that group of people, you're not allowed to use your money or you can only use it on this. Yeah, there's gonna be restrictions all over the place. Yeah, what does it say? Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws. Yeah, that's a plus. Plus you see what happened already in Canada. That's a perfect example of like being able to freeze accounts just on a button on a whim. Like I'm just gonna freeze your account. Nike, you have no money. That's scary. That's really scary. Who wants to give the government that kind of power? Well, they already have that power. You just have to go through the court. You just don't want them to have that power without the court. That's when I'm like, uh-huh. Because you could do that now, right? They can go to the court and put and make a case. Yeah, freeze anybody's account like that. If they get the approval. But they have to get the court approval. You don't want, there's no court approval and that's just because, I mean... Well, yeah, that's... If your guy's not the guy in power... A structural system. Yeah, dude. What do you think of Elon coming out and saying what he said about it? Bro, he is Tony Stark, I swear to God, in the movies. He's the last great hope we got for him. He said, he literally said, we need to, in the moment to kind of solve this issue, we need to get, produce more oil and get on track with nuclear, even though he knows that'll hurt Tesla sales. Wow, that's pretty crazy for someone like that to... For someone who's so motivated by money, that's how he's painted, that's a bad business decision to promote more oil and stuff like that. It's not gonna go in his favor, but yeah. No, not at all. So anyway, so anyway, how's you guys' training been going? Oh, we talked about working out in the morning stuff. We haven't had a little update on workouts and what's going on. Yeah, I'm floating right around three times a week right now. I had a good lift over there. Right now, it's, weekends have been best for me. I'm pretty consistent with hitting bulbs. So we go Saturday, Sunday? Yeah, I typically hit Saturday, Sunday, and then I get one, maybe two times during the week right now, it's been kind of like what's happening. Consistently, the traffic ever since, you know, Google, I think Facebook, who else came out with the, you know, they're starting the coming back to work thing. Oh, traffic's starting bad again. Oh yeah, it's just gotten, I mean, this morning again was crazy. The last two days, it's taking me, Waze has taken me different routes to get to work because it's just, especially in here, right? Once we get into San Jose, it's like so bad. So yeah, training in the morning or even here, like afterwards, I'm like, shit, I want to get. Cause then it takes you an hour and a half. Yeah, cause then I take, it takes forever to get home. Are you, Justin, did you get that sled that you were talking about? I did, yeah. So what is it? It's on wheels? How's it working? Yeah, well, yeah, so it's on wheels and it's a torque sled. So basically you can create the resistance of what you kind of... With no weights? No weights, yeah. So you just, you sort of torque up the amount of like pounds of pressure you want. Now, will that feel different? Probably. Because the physics of it, because the way it's resisting versus like actual load. Can you load weight on it still too? Yeah, you can. There's ones that you can actually put loaded weight and stack it on there. So, yeah, I just got that. I haven't really messed with it yet. I'll give you guys an update with that. But I've been doing a lot of the gymnastic rings, training and all that in my backyard when I get home. So I haven't... When you do that, do you put like the tights on and everything and get like the whole... I want to picture this round. Yeah, I take a ribbon and then I salute myself and then I get after it. What kind of tights would Justin fit? Justin's case. This is like, this would be... I picture like an evil, kind of evil type of like color scheme going on. A onesie? Yeah, like an evil, kind of evil like onesie spandick outfit. Hey, remember who was it? Remember that wrestler in WW? This is back when it was WWF. Was the name Bam Bam Bigelow? Remember? You had like the... It was like this cut low. Yeah, under his nipple. It's like the one strap that goes like this across like old strongman style. Look at Bam Bam Bigelow. That guy was a... I think he had flame tattoo on his head if I'm not mistaken. Oh yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. He was a badass. Yeah, I remember those stringers. Did you ever work out like that Adam? Because I know you were a bodybuilder. Did you ever have... I did for a minute. No, you didn't. I did for a minute. Were the nipples... Like it was just barely... It was like no shirt, you know what I'm saying? That way you could still work out in the gym but you really were wearing like... Swear to God, yeah. It was like all loose, you could see through it. Just serratus and... Yeah, I mean, I fully embraced the men's physique, you know, jacked bodybuilder guy for a minute there, you know? Look, look, that's Bam Bam right there. That guy right there, man. That's back when wrestling was amazing. Is he still alive? Very flamboyant. I doubt it. Dude, I met... I told you guys about when I realized how like really damaging pro wrestling is the body. Let's see, this was, I want to say, maybe 18 years ago I went to... He did die, 45 years old? Yep. Holy cow, how'd he die? How'd he die? Let's see here. Multiple drugs found in his system. Cocaine and benzodiazepine. If you read the Bret Hart biography, I think I've told you guys about it before, like they get into detail about this whole era and just how... Like they literally had like doctors there and the guys would like like grocery cart like go in and just whatever prescribed like... Oh, Newbane I think was one of the drugs that they use a lot of. They use everything, dude. So I remember, I was, this was maybe 18 years ago. You were just constantly in pain. I was at the Arnold Classic and now when I was a kid, one of the wrestlers that was kind of popular was the Iron Sheik. You guys remember him? Oh yeah, of course. Okay, so and he was, this was back during like... He was against Hulk Hogan quite a few times. Yeah, dude, kind of Jack Persian dude, right? And I remember, so this was 18 years ago and so he must have been maybe in his fifties, maybe 60 if lucky, probably late fifties back then and he was signing autographs and he was sitting at this table and he had a cane next to him and he was signing, and I remember he stood up to take a break and he looked so broken. And I remember thinking like, oh shit, like this... Brutal. Yeah, dude, that's brutal. What was that movie? Was it called The Wrestler? The one with, I forget his name, but he's... Mickey Rourke. Thank you, yeah. That was like... Really good. I felt like that was a good depiction of what it must feel like. I think it won awards and everything for it because of how accurate... I mean, obviously he played an incredible role too but I think that was like the first movie that really depicted what they're doing. Like behind the scenes, how they're just struggling in pain or like always trying to get back on top. We're such interesting creatures, right? How we could, you know... You have a passion for something like that and even though it's just like totally destroying your life and everything like that you just continue to go on for that. It's worth it to you apparently to sacrifice everything for that. Yeah, it's like the Olympic gold thing they did where they did that survey on the... That's so crazy. Yeah, that's so... The majority of people said that they would die in five years to win gold. Yeah. Which is just insane to me. Yeah, pro wrestlers, we typically don't put them up at the top of the list near the top of incredible athletes but they deserve to be there. We're talking about like massive, you know, huge, strong, agile... Super athleticism, super like huge physiques, right? That they have to maintain and then just the constant impact and trauma they're putting their body through. Like it's pretty crazy. It's remarkable. You know, speaking of these guys and you know, all the, probably the steroid use or anything like that, I want to talk about, I think Doug's taking steroids actually. Yeah, something like that. He hasn't told us yet. I mean, I'm on testosterone and I think he is still scoring higher with his testosterone levels than I am. Okay, so I'm... No, so I know... So Doug's been doing something, so he's not taking steroids, but he has been taking steroids. It's not the kombucha. So first off, Doug, what was your latest free testosterone? Not the free, it's the total testosterone. Oh, total, sorry, total. Yeah, yeah, total testosterone, 1086. Okay, and the limit, depending on the lab, is a thousand to 1200. So just for the audience, he's at the top of normal, like the top, top of normal. And he's, you know, how old are you, Doug, if you don't mind me asking? 56. 56 years old. Going on 75. That's incredible. Yeah, it's incredible, right? So 56, top of the top list. Now before that, your testosterone was 900 or 800? So yeah, back in July, I did another test. It was 1039. Back in March, it was 954. Okay. But remember a couple of years ago, we went to that, was it Ageless Men or something? What was the name of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ageless Men. And I got it, I got it tested like two years ago. It was I think around 560 or something like that. I wish I had that number in front of me. But what I did after that, I started using the Juve panel. That's it. On a regular basis. And up until like, I don't know, about four months ago, I was using it probably three to four times a week. Now, are you doing it just on your body or are you doing it on your own? I'm putting it where the sun don't shine. You're putting on the chesties. What I do is I just sit down in my bathroom. I have a panel on my door. I sit there completely naked and just, I mean, I listen to something or do something while I sit there. And I just let that red light wash over me. But over the last three months or so, I've been doing it maybe just once or twice a week. So before my last test, I thought, well, I might see a decline because I'm not doing it as much as I was before. Yet I did see about a, was that about a 45 point increase. So you scaled back and you did notice it dipped down a little bit? No, I did not. I was thinking that it would dip down because I was doing less of it. So I have a theory, like, and you see this with a lot of things, that things that induce adaptation, you require a certain dose. And then to maintain those adaptations, you tend to require a lower dose. Yeah, because I've been doing maybe once or twice a week now. So just not, you know, not as religiously as I was doing before. I mean, is that theory that's proven? Well, it's proven in a lot of things. I don't know if... So think of all, like, adaptations like strength. Yeah, think of the one you love to do, the skin. Yeah, so you get a certain, to already get your skin to tan, you need so much sun, but to maintain it, you probably need less, right? Do you build strength and muscle? You need so much volume and frequency, but just to keep it, you need a lot less. Like, I feel endurance, you know, flexibility, whatever you name it, mobility. So it makes sense that to get for Doug to raise his testosterone with, and by the way, this isn't like, you know, magic. This is backed by studies, so this is legit. So what he experiences isn't just the anecdote. There's studies that show this actually happens with red light therapy. The red light penetrates the cell and gets the mitochondria to operate a little bit more effectively and efficiently. And if you shine it, if a man shines it on his testicles, it affects the lightig cells which produce testosterone or luteinizing hormone. And so it makes more. And this is what they've shown in studies. So you did three days a week, went down to one and you maintained high testosterone. The only thing is we need to bottle this up. Ode Doug. Ode Doug. Yeah, new line. Yeah, it's gonna raise your testosterone 500%. Yeah, well, not 500%. I mean, do you walk around with boners all day long? What's that like? I'm not gonna disclose that information. Yeah, I feel like he does. Always wants to know boners. So last time we talked about this, I'd talked about how I'd improve my sleep. And that's another thing that I haven't been doing quite as well with since last time is I have been going a bit, a bit later and not getting as many hours of sleep. And so that was another factor I thought would drop my testosterone, but it didn't do it. Wow. So not that I'm suggesting not sleeping a lot, but... Now, where are other things in your life? Like your personal life and stress and all the other things like that? I have plenty of stress. Trust me. It looks right in a way. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You looked at Adam when he said that? I have a lot of stress, Adam. I have plenty of stress in my life. A lot of things are going really well, but I have certain elements in my life that do cause stress for sure. Yeah, I wonder how much of an individual variance there is to things like that. Everybody has their thing. Like, yeah, I mean, you've talked about your personal stuff. You've talked about yours. I've talked about mine. We all have these different things that stress us out or that we're concerned of. Like I wonder if those individual things make a bigger difference than things that would be more common for another person, right? So do we have that much of a variance on how we perceive the stress? Totally, do you think about it? Think about something that stresses you out, right? And how you may have a friend that that same issue wouldn't necessarily stress them out. Of course, it's all how you perceive it, a hundred percent. It's the relationship you have with stress. It's not the issue itself. It's the relationship. I also think it's chronic stress versus what do you call it, acute stress. So mine's more acute. It's adorable. It's adorable, yeah. No, it comes in little spurts. Depending on maybe hormone levels of certain people, et cetera, I won't go into detail on that. No, no, no. You did that to say that. I'm not throwing anybody under the bus or anything like that. But chronic stress is probably something I really don't deal with, but it's acute stress, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. But that's crazy that it's that high. But I mean, I trained you for a while. Doug is definitely one of the healthiest people. In terms of vitality, yeah, that I think I've ever met. It's pretty good. It would be cool if we had something, kind of like how we have these glucose monitors right now. If we had something that actually, like real-time. Measured testosterone. Yeah. How cool would that be to be able to? Can you imagine that? It'd be really cool, because it could get a bit. It's fluctuating quite a bit. Well, yeah. And you could get a better idea of. Your wife gets out of the shower. Yeah, testosterone. I mean, I would just be really curious to what things impact it more than others. I mean, right now I'm kind of geeking out now on the glucose monitor, on the different foods that affect me. Like, I was surprised that I could get away with eating the 10 tacos and it not crushed me. But then I had, you know, a sit once in a while. Was it literally 10? Yeah. Wow, you actually ate 10. I thought you were exaggerating. You ate 10 tacos. You ate 10 individual tacos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 10 tacos. How big were they? I mean, your standard home tacos. Yeah, no, I can crush them. I'm Mexican, bro. Come on. It's like asking if you could eat a bowl of pasta. You know what I'm saying? And once in a while, a whole bowl, you're like, yeah, dude. Or a bunch of potatoes. Kind of the same thing. Yeah, adjusted with potatoes, right? I love my potatoes. Speaking of potatoes, listen. So I read this article and the girl's name is Christy Wolf. And she is making. Wolf or wolf? Wolf. Wolf, wolf. I like wolf. There's an L in there. I did say wolf, didn't I? You said wolf. Wolf, wolf, wolf. Oh, my God. I didn't roll the L. So anyways, make fun of my lisp right now. So Christy Wolf is this girl who has these short-term rentals on Airbnb that have become world famous. She's only got a handful of them. One of them is a fucking potato. So look her up, Doug. You got to look at. I think I've heard about this lady. Does she also have like a hobbit? Yes. That's her. Oh, I love this. I've seen her. This is kind of like the idea still. It's like the idea we have. Yes. What's genius? I'm so interested in it because. Because we want to open a chain of pizza houses. No, that's not what we're thinking about. I mean, I just think that. So you want to talk about a space. And obviously, you need a little bit of capital, although she did it on a very, very small budget. But where this whole short-term rental Airbnb VRBO thing is going is to really compete with hotels. And we've already seen them disrupt that space as it is. Yeah, so experiences, basically. Yeah. And so look at it. She's like in Idaho. She did this big, this potato. Like Justin said, she did it. Oh, wow. Look at the tropical tree house. Yeah, she did. And they're all, I mean, they're not. Man, there's a hobbit house right there. Yeah, they're just unique kind of spots and these cool little experiences. And they're not like super high end, but she crushes it. We should do it like a. They each make like six figures. Have you guys ever heard of Fantasy Inn? Was that what it's called? You guys ever heard of this place? They have like rooms that are themed and you go with your spouse. And there's like a, like, you never heard of this? The Madonna Inn's like that. Yeah, the Madonna Inn's like that. Oh, is that what I'm thinking? I don't know. Madonna Inn has like the, in San Luis Obispo is like that. It was like cowboy theme in one place. And then yeah, tropical in another. And all the rooms are like, you know. They dress up and do your thing. Yeah, we could do it. We could do it like a sex house. I would be proud. 100%. What do you mean by that? Dude, that would be great. I told you guys a long time. I'm like, I would love if we do like tree housing, but I was like, make it like, you know, indoor. Like it's all like Ewoks that much did. Yeah, that would be weird. Tree house, that's all, I don't understand. So you have all tree houses, Airbnb's. And so they're all connected. I don't think he knows what indoor is. Yeah, no, that's fine. That's the planet. I think he meant indoors, like outdoors. No, no, no, indoor is the planet where Ewoks live. You just can't just do a star wars reference like that. Not explained, dude. Just assume everybody knows what that is. You didn't like Ewoks when you were a kid? I did, but I don't remember the names of the planet they came from. Yeah, so anyway, yeah, I think that would be a great idea. It'd be cool. Yeah, I think it would be cool. Well, you know too, okay. So they actually have this cruise that is all Star Wars, seems pretty ridiculous actually. But if I was like, if my kids were a little bit younger and were still in the Star Wars like I was, like I totally would take them on it. Like you wake up and like these people in character and costume like wake you up, they bring you in and like you do all these missions and stuff like on the actual ship. See, look, that's how cool that is right there. Yeah, that would be super rad. So we have ones like this up here, not too far from you. Well, there's one this guy that Nelson guy who does the tree houses. Like I watch all his shows all the time. He makes rad tree houses. But like he has a whole sort of cluster of them together that he rents out. How close are you? Be very honest, Justin. How close are you to being to go into these Comic-Con things, completely dressing up? I'm totally, I told the line every day. Yeah, for reals, right? So if your wife was down, you would go dress up and have a look at it. Oh yeah, I mean, it's, no, I wouldn't. Like I just- What do you mean no? No, I mean, I'd hang out like I would go but I wouldn't go in costume. I think that's a lie. I totally think that. I think I would take his wife. I think he would just take one of us to convince him to do it. I could hang out with people like that. I'll actually test him. Like I wouldn't even, we'll bring it up like randomly. Okay, I really want to do this. Be like, I'm so down. I'll tell you, it's just like this. It's like our buddy Tate Fletcher, right? He was actually in Mandalorian, right? And so he got to put on the outfit and all that, like become one of the Mandalorians. And I'm like, dude, if I was actually like an extra in one of them, then I'm all in. I'm actually there. Otherwise, I'm just like- Here's how you do it. You're like my ex-girlfriend who tours, you know, you get to be like an extra in your face's cover, but then you tour around all the Comic-Con. I said I will live off that for the rest of my life. I was in this for that one second. Here's how you would justify it. This is how Justin would do it. I know it. It would have to be a somewhat functional costume. So like real armor. Oh no, this can actually block bullets or something like that. Then he would do it. Yeah, so I could just punch it. Because it has the Mandalorian steel or whatever. What's it called? Gaspar? Gaspar? What's it called? What's the med? Am I fucking at everything? Bessgar. Bessgar. Bessgar. Way off, dude. I'm so mad. Just tell your TV don't miss enough. Hey, when's the next one? I'm already missing the Star Wars series right now. When's the next one? Who's the next one? The next one goes back to Mandalorian, I believe, but I mean, we've all been waiting, you know, us in the community here, but we're Obi-Wan, your friend in your pocket. Obi-Wan series. The SW community. Is it Obi-Wan? Is that who's supposed to be next? Yeah, well, we're supposed to get a trailer for it over the Super Bowl and nobody can do it. Look at you all mad. You didn't get your trailer. No way. So there's no really good series on, right? I finished Joe Jones. Oh, they're moving on to Moon Knight. So I don't know if you know that Marvel character. So I actually, as a kid, I used to buy comic books and for a second there, Moon Knight was a new comic and I had like five of the comics. It's kind of an interesting character though. So I wonder how they're gonna show him. Yeah, it's interesting because it's, I mean, they're trying to compare him to Batman, right? But it's not quite Batman. And he gets all these like, so I don't really know the backstory. I tried to kind of look it up. I think it's like Egyptian god power. Yeah, so he gets something like transferred from some ancient Egyptian, I don't know. It's not the, like Batman's got kind of a cool costume. It's a little more realistic too. Like he's just a rich guy that has a bunch of cool shit. Yeah. And he's like, Batman, he just talks like that. We'll see. It'll be interesting. Did any of you guys see the new Batman? I heard it was really good. I heard it was really good too. Yeah, I heard it was. Three hours too. I haven't seen it. You have to go to the theater room. I do want to see that. Yeah, I always like Batman. You know how age sometimes they do with HBO or Showtime? He's got the best villains. Like that makes that. Who's the villain in this one? Riddler, I believe. Oh. Riddler and then I don't know if they have, it's not Kingpin or like a. Penguin guy? Penguin. It might be. I think they did. I thought they brought back a lot of the bad characters. You know what's cool with Batman is it either goes campy like it did with Val Kilmer and that series. Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey. Or it goes. Dark. I hear it's like that. I heard it's really good. I mean, people say it was the best DC movie yet. So yeah, that's that's what people are saying. We'll see. I mean, I don't I'm going to watch it. I can't wait. You know what? I just start last night. I started the Uber series. You like that, Doug? Oh, yeah. About the company Uber? Yeah. Oh, is that that's why you're all about it. Oh, right. Yeah, it's the main person that wasn't it. I don't know his name. He's a big actor though. Gordon something. Thank you. I'm so terrible when it comes to like famous people. Yeah, it's it's interesting. So it's got it's a it's a series, right? It's like one of those like what do you call it when it's it's like a docu series, but it's not. But it's it's reenacted. Is there drama drama as a dramatization? Yes, of a of a documentary. Is that what I didn't say? I didn't know if there was like a name for the drama series, because it's not it's not like, you know, it's based on. It's all like reenacted. But yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's so. But so yeah, I'm what I'm really interested about. It makes me want to go read on it. Like if there's a book related to this. Is how much do they embellish? Because the original CEO of Uber was quite wild. I didn't realize how kind of crazy out there he was. Well, Uber it's also Joseph Gordon Levitt. So oh, yeah, that's right. Uber is such an interesting story. It's a because the whole taxi cartel was so strongly regulated, in particular, to protect the people who are already in there that it got to the point where if you wanted to buy a medallion in New York City. Like a million dollars, which, yeah, give you the ability to have taxis, plus a million bucks. It was so limited and we all know the stories we do because we're all like a cartel, dude. You couldn't you couldn't get a taxi in New York. It was like a common thing, right? You know, finding a taxi so hard or whatever, Uber because technology moves faster than regulators can regulate. It hit the market and then that's it. People liked it, but people tried to shut it down. But so do you know his the CEO story? And if I don't even know if I don't think he's the CEO anymore. I believe that. Could you check that? Yeah, I think he's no longer the CEO. Yeah, I remember something happened like just like a year or two ago or maybe longer is right before COVID. Like something happened where he stepped down or whatever. They let go of him and now there's a new CEO. So I'm really interested in how that how it gets to there because he's definitely a kind of a wild guy, dude. I didn't know he was he was like this, which probably had to be considering what he was going up against because it talks about what you're saying right now. So and there's many times where probably 95% of your average CEO would have laid down or just said fuck it and go the other direction. But I mean, he kept he kept pushing. He did some cool shady shit to kind of get get get by. Like he did some pretty funny stuff at one point. And I don't know how true this is. There was the I think this was when they were in Portland, when they started to infiltrate Portland, they had like the city started having these guys that would write fines to every to try and so they would screw the driver Uber and then give them a yes. They would summon Uber. They'd get on there and then they literally write him a ticket. And I can't remember what on what basis, but something based off the sit some bullshit rule that the city had or whatever. And they were using that to just just fuck the driver so they couldn't afford to keep doing Uber, right? And they did this like black ops. They do totally legal, like figure out those people's cell phones. And then they like they couldn't get an Uber. Yeah, so that and they would but it would show like it was coming. So they're all standing out there waiting. So they could there's like five of these guys that were ticketing all these Uber drivers. And that's how they got them to stop was they just they couldn't get a ride. And they did it by tracking their cell phones and then basically like sending them ghost Ubers that by the way. And people now take it for granted. The way it was positioned was Ubers hurting the little guy. It's hurting the poor taxi people. It's you know, we need to protect them. But in fact, there's actually giving them jobs. And it's just it's just better opportunities. And do either one of you ever use a taxi? You know, it's funny. No way. How shitty taxis were until Uber came and made them head to compete. Now now if you go into a taxi now you can pay with credit card. You can pay like B.O. And like terrible music. There was no competition. They could do whatever the hell they want, which is anyway, speaking of companies. So you guys know I've been I've been working with Organifi for new working on new products. Yeah, where are we with? I know you've been talking to them a lot. Excited. I'm not allowed to talk about the new flavor that they're coming out with. Am I allowed to talk about the product that's going to have a new flavor? I don't think so. I don't think you can say anything. So you can just like drop some obscure reference. Hush, if you wish. Well, anyway, they they're coming out with some new flavors of some of their very popular products. And OK, and we're working on a specific product together. I'm excited. It's going to be good. Is it like an update of a current product they have? Yeah. New flavor and new. And the flavor is the very first call that we all were on. I think she alluded to this. I think I remember her saying and saying how excited she was when it's coming. So it's now do we know, Doug, when it's dropping? Yes, we do. It is March 22nd. Oh, so it's very good. Yeah, what's cool about them is I get on the phone with they have someone who manages their marketing. Someone to Hannah. Is that who's on you? I think so. Someone who manages like their who understands their supply chain and where they could get products and then someone who understands formulations. They really know their shit. So we sit down and talk and I say, hey, Sal, what kind of product would you like to see? And I say, well, like this, I like this and that. And then, you know, within like 48 hours, I'll get a response. Well, we can get this. This would cost this much. What do you think about the price? What do you think about combining it with this particular thing because of its anti-inflammatory effects or whatever? They always knock their formulations out. Yes. Anything you're learning about being on that side, like getting into that a little bit? Is there anything you're finding out? Like, you know, we were speculating about how hard it would be to get certain products was how expensive. Nothing that I haven't learned anything now, but I did learn a while ago when we first got into this business that you can't just say, I'm going to make a supplement and then throw these ingredients in there. Because I was naive to how challenging it would be to get certain ingredients, how to get the price to be right and the taste, right? Some ingredients taste terrible. So if you throw them in a powder, you try flavoring it however you want. So it tastes totally terrible. Hey, what's up? Check this out. Do you like rubier? How about vanilla soda or cherry or strawberry? Delicious, right? Full of sugar, though. Why the heck would anybody who's interested in being fit and healthy drink sodas besides the fact that they taste good? Well, you can now because of olipop. Olipop makes incredibly tasting sodas that are low or almost no sugar, low in calorie, high in fiber. I know it sounds weird. Soda that's high in fiber, but it's true. And they contain components and ingredients that are good for gut health. Okay, so it's legit, by the way. I'm not making this up. Gut health promoting sodas that are very low in calorie with low to no sugar and high in fiber. I swear to God, they taste amazing. I'm not making this up. It's all real. Go check them out. Head over to mindpumppartners.com, click on olipop and then use the code mindpump for a discount. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Megan from the Philippines. Hi, Megan, how can we help you? Hi guys, thank you for taking my call. It's such an honor to be even here with you guys right now. So I guess it's like, I'm gonna throw the question in right now. So I'll just read out my question I sent to the email. So I have a question that comes to using queuing to improve my lifts. So when it comes to the compound lifts, is it better to have external or internal queuing in mind? So I recently watched a video like from Jeff Nippard talking about that and he generally stated that when it comes to compound movements, external queuing is more useful while in smaller isometric movements like curls, internal queuing is more useful. So my basic understanding of internal queuing is like looking at your body's movements and mechanics. Sal, I think you talked about it before where you focus better on the action of the muscle. And then while internal queuing is trying to actively flex that certain muscle of the exercise while performing it. So like if you're doing a bicep curl, you're like really like squeezing your bicep, something like that. So I really want to increase my strength in these lifts. So what are your guys's thoughts on this and does it actually really matter as much? Yeah, so Megan, so I'm gonna maybe rephrase your question a little bit just to get a little clarity. So in essence, what you're saying is on one method would be to perfect the form and the other method would be to feel the actual target muscle. Is that kind of what you're asking? Yeah, I think so because when it comes to like, I think you mentioned it in the podcast like a few episodes before is how you can like sort of, how you move like in a squat, you can make it more blue focused or more quad focused. Yeah, no, no, no, I, okay, so I understand now. So this is a good example. For example of how YouTube guys like to overcomplicate. Yeah, people in our space really make things more complicated. Why focus on these things? I think then they need to be, and there is, this isn't like a false choice. And what I mean by that is you don't have to choose one or the other. They're both very valuable. They both have lots of values. So my answer is gonna be both. I think both are very important. On the one hand, if you're trying to feel a specific muscle that you may be wanting to develop, especially if you feel like it doesn't connect very well to certain exercises, you probably wanna focus on feeling that particular muscle. And on the other hand, perfecting your biomechanics and technique are gonna make an exercise more effective because you're gonna have more efficient, safe biomechanics. They're both very important. And what I'll say to you, Megan, is be very careful with the fitness personalities on social media and YouTube and just new media in general, because what they tend to do is they tend to overcomplicate things when they're trying to make a point or they're trying to create- They throw a lot of absolutes out there. This is the way you have to do it always. Yeah, and that's really what's happening here. They're both important. They're both very valuable. You can definitely have ice cream and cake here. So you don't have to pick one or the other. They're both delicious and they're both gonna value. Not only that, but I think, I hate something like this, right? To say that one is more important than the other. Basically there's such an individual variance with everybody. So how I'm queuing a client has everything to do with where I see they're struggling the most, right? So if I have a client that isn't connecting to the muscle, like Sal is saying, I'm gonna focus more on these internal cues. If I'm looking at your movement and it's all over the board, right? And you're not moving properly. I'm gonna talk more towards the external cues, but I'm gonna use both at my disposal. Or even setting up for your compound lift. Like I'm gonna focus more on my intrinsic type of tension and being able to stabilize my joints before then unwrapping. And then I'm gonna get into the actual mechanics of the lift as I'm doing that, trying to maintain what I first focused on. So it's like both of them have to work simultaneously. Yeah, Megan, for you specifically, let's talk a little bit about what your goals are. Is there a specific exercise or a specific muscle that you're trying to focus on? Oh yeah, it's definitely my squat recently. So just like a small like context just to like give a little idea where I'm coming from. So like I would guess say last December or the from October to December, I was making good progress on my overall like main lift. So like my squat deadlift and all that. And that got interrupted. My training got interrupted because our town was like hit by a typhoon or like a hurricane for you guys. So basically I took a, I cut way back on training. So I, what's really nice is that I had the, I followed your guys as the maps 30 day calendar thing where it was like very self-paced and very like incorporating mobility and stuff. So recently last month, I think stabilized here. And then we got, I got to go back to a home gym. So the gym I was going to before that was like a home gym with like just the, not even the Olympic barbell, just like the basic really thin kind of barbell. So it was like a shock for my body and like a reset to my mind that I started going back to the Olympic barbell in the gym, like the commercial gym. And I was like, so I had to like recalibrate like what exactly my weights are, my P, my so-and-so like my training weights are on my compound lifts. So that's why now I'm taking like a step back to really focus on like my form and all that. That's why I like really wanted to learn about the external internal queuing stuff. But I guess from your guys' answers, I think I should like, I guess you guys are saying that I should just focus on the form right now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, that's generally probably a good idea is to, is to perfect your form. But if you run into a situation where, you know, you're doing your squats, for example, and you're not developing the parts of your body that you really wanna focus on, then, you know, focusing on the muscles themselves can definitely help. But I will say this, Megan, when I'm training somebody from beginner to intermediate, unless I'm correcting an imbalance, I almost always focus more on form. And as they get stronger, then we can move more towards feeling particular muscles. But if I take a beginner and have them do a squat, I'm not saying, hey, let's feel in your glutes or your quads. I'm like, let's get your form really good. Let's get you really connected and really stable. And then as we continue, then we'll start to notice things. And they'll say, oh, my quads are developing more than my glutes or I don't feel this in my hamstrings. And then we'll focus more on the muscle feel. But I think you're on the right track for sure. I think that's with everything, right? You think of like even like a sport like baseball, right? Before a baseball coach is gonna teach a player how to direct the ball into the left field, the right field down the center on the ground or a popup, he's gonna teach them the fundamentals, how to swing the ball, swing the bat properly. So you wanna get the mechanics of the movement down really well. And then as you get that down really well, now we could start to talk about the more intrinsic things like, okay, now when you're at the bottom of the squat, try and fire your glutes more or when you get to the top, squee, you know, like then you can start to get into the more technical aspects of the movement. First perform the movement, get really good at the movement, practice it. And then we can start to talk about some of the other... And priming helps as well, you know, with that too. Just, you know, if that's a focus where it's like, you know, glutes aren't responding and firing and that's something you need to keep addressing, getting that, establishing that near muscular connection, that's something you can do and prep, you know, before you get into these compound lifts to, you know, get them to contribute a bit more. Yeah, Megan, you know, I'd like, if you don't have maps anywhere, I'd like to send that to you. That way you have a workout program you can do if you lose access to a gym again, like you did before. Now the maps30day.com is phenomenal as well. Maps anywhere kind of takes it to another level and it's longer, right? It's not just 30 days, it takes you a little longer. Do you have maps anywhere by any chance? No, I don't. Okay, we'll send that over to you, Megan. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, no problem. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. Thank you, have a good one. You know, I'm gonna come to the defense of who she talked about, Jeff Nippert, I think. I've seen his content and for the most part, I think it's okay. I think when you're making so much content, you start to run into the situation where you're like, well, I've already talked about this. I talked about that. Let's start to split hairs in the weeds a little bit. Yeah, and I think this confuses people, right? Like which one is better for what? And I could see what he might have, I haven't seen this video, what she's referring to. I can see what he might be trying to communicate, but I can also see why this would confuse the hell out of a new person. I think it's more, and I mean, our team is as guilty of this too. It's what feeds the algorithm. So you need to have something where it is absolute. Don't do this. This is better than that. Like those type of headlines will grab people. So yes, in his defense, I know what he's doing, right? But I think as the consumer, and I think that's the biggest point to make to people that are listening right now, is that's where you gotta be careful with, including ours, okay, including our YouTube content, is that you have to take it a little bit with a grain of salt because of the creators, obviously it's in their best interest to get the most amount of views that they can get. And so they title it in a way that is gonna draw the most attention, not necessarily the best way to teach. So it's kind of, I mean, it's something that we ran into at the beginning of the podcast, at the beginning of creating content for YouTube, was we came from a perspective of just teaching and educating like we did as coaches for so long. But unfortunately, we've had to find this way to, okay, title it in ways that are compelling. I mean, this is how our single topic episodes are. This is how we do fitness tips. Like we've had to do this otherwise, people won't click, people won't pay attention. So you have to do these kind of attention grabbers. But here's the drawback of that, is that you take somebody who's like now way overthinking something right now that is not that important. I'm sure it's the consumers driving this because we all want simplistic answers to everything. And so that's- Or absolutes, right? This is better than that. That's what simplifies it. Because you're saying like, this is really what you need to focus on only. That's not true. But it does work in favor of somebody searching. Yeah, and I will say this, when you get started for the first couple of years, you're probably better off focusing on just form and technique, practicing perfect form and technique. As you start to develop and as muscles get stronger and you start to get more muscle, then really focusing on muscle contraction and where I'm feeling that the exercise starts to become more valuable. But it's almost, unless you're doing correctional exercise, there's definitely value there. But for the most part, just perfect form and technique and practicing that in the beginning is probably a better way to get started. I think you want to establish that first. So that way, that's what your body knows how to navigate and respond and it becomes sort of in your subconscious. So, I mean, it does benefit you to put that kind of work in first and then you build upon that. I think that's how you do anything with when it comes to movement and sports. Totally. You would never teach a basketball player how to do between the legs, behind the back, pass with a spin. Windmill dunk. Before you taught them how to dribble with their left, dribble with their right. Or a pitcher, here feel where the stitching on the ball is and the direction of it. First learn how to throw a baseball ball. He's not going to throw a curve ball before he throws a standard fast pitch, right? So I just think that's the same concept is that, you know, all movements, you want to practice the technique of the movement first. Foundational elements and then let's build. Now you get the movement down really well. Now as a coach, I can give you these little subtle cues to get you to feel it in different areas. Was my baseball analogy okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, every once in a while. You started to kind of waver off, but we got you back. All right, thanks. Our next caller is Emily from Canada. Hey, Emily, how can we help you? Hi guys, thank you so much for having my call. I feel like very privileged to be on here. I'll just go right in. So I'm sure you saw my little intro, but just to give you a little background, I live in Quebec, Canada. I'm 23 years old. I am a gym freak, but I'm also an athlete at the highest level in my sport. I play rignettes at the highest competitive level. If you're not familiar with rignettes, let's just pretend I play hockey. They do share a lot of similarities. I'm looking to be selected in a senior national team to represent Canada in the next rignette world championship. Again, comparing it to hockey, I would be training to make the Olympic team that's the level I'm currently playing at. But my challenge is the following. So with the frequent opening and closing periods of where I live, my rignette season, let's just say hockey season, that is supposed to be eight months long, is now being crushed into two months. So that means I'm playing around two, three, and eventually four games almost every weekend. You can imagine the stress that is put onto my body in that short period of time. The thing is, I don't know how to train during the week to complement those high intensity workouts. How would you recommend I train in between those high intensity weekends? I want to give time to my body to heal, but also improve certain aspects of my game. Do you guys know that they're dealing with that with the NBA right now? So because they did the back to back season so close, because they're trying to make up games? Yeah, and they play a long season, right? And just how important those extra month or two off of recovery was. Of course. And so there's more injuries happening right now in the NBA than like before. And they're attributing a lot of that to this. Of course. This period and lead up time. And so it's a very similar situation that she's in right here that is kind of unfortunate. And personally, for me, if I was training you, everything is going to be focused on recovery. Like we are not really doing much of any strength training in a season that is this intense, where she's talking about multiple games in a single day. You're basically playing almost every day if you're not practicing, you're playing. Yeah, Emily, I didn't know what the sport was. I had to look it up. Very interesting. It is very similar to hockey. I had no idea it existed, but I can see how strenuous it would be on the body. Think of it this way, Emily. Off season is when you want to improve strength and explosiveness and agility. In season, your training goal should be to prevent injury. Yeah, it's preservation. So you're not, what you don't want to do is try to improve and push with strength and agility and explosiveness while you're also in this very intense season. So the workouts, and I'm gonna do quotation mark here, the workouts in season are mobility and recovery focused. You're not in the gym trying to get stronger. You're not in the gym trying to get faster and trying to push yourself. What I want you to do is go to the gym during the season and think to yourself, how can I make my body feel better? That's probably gonna be mobility, active stretching, maybe even static stretching, depending on where you might feel tight. Massage, you could utilize things like sauna and cold dips. You could do things that are recuperative, right? To regenerate and recuperate the body. When you're off season and the season's over and you take a few weeks to kind of get your recovery in, then I would focus on now I can get stronger, now I can get more explosive, now I can push myself a little bit. But don't do both at the same time that is a recipe for injury. Yeah, I would just echo that, but this is where too, you can add intensity to these mobility sessions. So don't think of it as just light, kind of passive stretching, like really focused. You can bring in kin stretch type moves. We do this in Prime Pro. Adam has a whole, I don't know if you've gone through that specific workout that he did on the webinar. Yeah, well, I followed both webinars and I do those mobility drills quite often. I try to do it at least three to four times a week. Oh, beautiful. But now it's everything going on. Like you said, it's very strenuous on my body. And last time I played, I needed like two full days of not doing anything because my body was just completely destroyed. So I guess what you're saying, just focus on recovery. You know what, Emily, on those days that you need to just do nothing, static stretching is actually quite valuable here. Now static stretching, you don't want to do right before you play or right before you work out, right? But if it's those two days afterwards and you're just sore and stiff, what you can do is you can do just good old fashioned, passive, sit in a stretch, hold a stretch, focus on different muscles. That'll help facilitate recovery. Now when you do feel like you can do more mobility work than Maps Prime Pro type stuff would be good. Now the webinars are not specific to an individual, right? Adam and Justin both did webinars and they were very general. I suggest going through Maps Prime Pro and following the movements that are more specific to your needs and your body. Do you have access to Prime Pro? I don't have my pro known. Okay, we'll send that to you. And then what I suggest you do is go through the movements and find the ones that you find the most value in and then do those particular movements. That way it's more individualized. Yeah, and I think too, like besides static, like the dynamic, so just to get more blood flow but really keep it low intensity. From what it sounds like, it just sounds like you could benefit from just really, really light movement to make sure that the joints are responding and you're still providing stability there. I think that's the biggest thing is really to focus on your end ranges. So whatever position you may be in, split stance-wise, laterally, twisting and turning your body. I would focus on some isometric type poses with that and just kind of work your way through that. So you make sure your body responds and is able to kind of protect and secure the joints. As far as anything to add to the training, the only thing I would consider on top of that is maybe skills training. So if you have specific skills in your sport that you're trying to improve and you're like, hey, I feel pretty good this week and you wanna go down to the gym or you have free time, then you know- I am practicing twice a week on ice as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're doing good. You're doing a lot, yes. Yeah, you're doing a lot. Really think in season, you put your mind, this is the mentality. When I'm not playing, if I have the energy and I feel like I can do something or I should do something, do things that facilitate recovery. Don't do things that are gonna give you another workout. And that's in season, off season, totally different. Look, when I've had clients who've been in situations similar, very competitive, and on the days when they're beat up, I'm just relaxed, static stretching. Now, when you do this, it's not a workout. So what you don't wanna do is get into a static stretch and hold your breath and push through it. That's not what's gonna help. As you're in the static stretch, breathe calmly. Get the body to relax. And what you're trying to do is get the CNS to kind of relax. Chill out. Get some blood flow, yes. It facilitates this parasympathetic state that'll help with recovery. Well, besides that, I mean, because you're competing at such a very high level, like this is where products like a juve light, like a red light therapy might make sense for you to actually add in, invest in a little bit because honestly, the recovery part is so crucial to keeping you in your sport and performing at your highest. Yeah, when do you try out for the Olympic team? Or is that in a few years? So I have the competition coming in April, but that's with my like local regional team. And then the big event is happening in October. So I'll have the testings happening over the summer. Wow, that's super cool. Well, yeah, good luck with that, that sounds awesome. Thank you guys. Thank you, no problem. And we'll send maps prime pro to you, okay? So you can individualize it for yourself. Thank you so much. You got it. I did not understand this as a new trainer. I, as a new trainer, I'll never forget my one of my first athlete clients came in in season and I thought, oh, my job is to get them to improve while in season. And so I beat them up. And they were the performance drop. The irony of this is it's not just you being a new trainer. You see this even in sports. It still blows my minds everywhere. I mean, look at this. Look at how high of a level that she's at and she's reaching out to us right now. You would think that you would have coaches and trainers around a person like this that would be advising their athletes like that, but it happens all the time and it blows my mind. Every time I see it, it's like at that level, you would think that you have some of the best minds in how to train and they just not true. The smart players, you know, do the group workouts, but then they go actually hire their own trainers outside of that because it's, they need that extra individualized attention. And, you know, that being said, you see all the best performing athletes out there. They invest a lot of money in the recovery process. And I think that that's something to consider. Our next caller is Madi from Texas. Madi, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys. I'm super excited to be here. A huge fan. Thank you so much for having me and for your time. My question is, my girlfriend is doing a bikini competition and when she does this, I like to kind of run your split that you guys have for these programs, which is aesthetic split, then PED. I ran this last time she did it. I ran into problems when I had PED. It was, I think too much training. I had trouble sleeping a little bit of tendinitis and I ended up having to kind of stop it because I just didn't want to get any worst symptoms than I already had. So I wanted to write in because she's about to do this again and I kind of want to push myself one more time, but I'm a personal trainer and I know that we tend to think we could do more than we can actually do. I know you guys say it all the time. So I just want to see what you guys think as far as what maybe I could do, maybe modify it, see what you guys think. Yeah, you know, Madi, what's funny is that we almost didn't release Maps PED because the volume and frequency and just the total workload. It's insane. We knew that it would pose two problems. One, it would attract the fitness fanatics who love to go harder than they need to. And two, it was inappropriate for most people. So all those symptoms that you were feeling are definitely indicative of it being too much, which means it's just not going to be effective. So I don't think Maps PED is the program that you or your girlfriend should be following, honestly, there's very, very few people that will be able to go through a double split routine and actually see their body improve through it. Maps Split alone is a tremendous amount of volume and it's probably more appropriate for 95% of people at this particular level. So I wouldn't even do PED. I would stick with Maps Split. Now, if you want to do a split routine, so if you like the dividing the workout up so that you do some of the workout in the day and some of the workout in the evening, you could do Maps Split that way, okay? So you could do a regular Maps Split workout, let's say today is, I don't know, Chest, Shoulders, and Triceps and you could do Chest and Shoulders in the morning and Triceps at night or Chest in the morning and Shoulders and Triceps at night. So you can turn Maps Split into a double split routine and it'll have more appropriate levels of volume than Maps PED does. You could also just run Split over again and or run Maps Aesthetic. Like, we wrote kind of the order of operation with the programs for someone to follow in the ideal scenario, but that doesn't mean that you can't run, you know, Maps Aesthetic two times in a row or Maps Split two times in a row. The whole program is a periodized so you could easily do that and not run in any trouble. I would never recommend somebody staying with the same program for a year or two, but you technically could get away with it and be okay. So if you saw great results running Aesthetic and Split, I would actually just run back through it again. So as you go Maps Aesthetic, you go Maps Split and then instead of going to PED, go back to Maps Aesthetic or run Split again and I think you'll have tremendous results. Yeah, totally. I mean, with something like Maps PED, it's like you got to have the combination of really, really, really rare genetics. Or drugs. Super, yeah. You know, anabolic steroids might be part of that, might not, but you definitely have to have these really, really good recovery genetics. You have to have everything be perfect. Diet, sleep, stress be perfect. And even then, you know, you're kind of towing the line, but if you, I mean, everything you listed, right? Difficulty, sleeping, joint pain, like you were definitely doing too much and that just means you're not going to get nearly the results you could if you did reduce volume or reduce frequency. So I think Aesthetic and Split, stick with those two programs. And if you want to modify them a little bit to work on specific parts of your body, it's totally fine. Or even if you want to split the workouts up, so you do one on the A and one on the PM, if you like that, you can do that as well, but PD sounds like it was too much. I definitely would tell you not to do that one. Yes, no, it was too much and I love your podcast. So once I started filling the symptoms that I had never felt ever, I knew right away I had to bail on it. And Split is great, that seemed to be fantastic. And I think splitting it the way you said, probably gonna help out, you know, so that I don't get those symptoms but I could still push the intensity. And I roam in Aesthetic. I usually what I do is I'll go into something hard like Split and then I'll kind of go back to Aesthetic and kind of run performance. Shout out to Justin. I know you're chilling right now. He's in Aesthetic question, but I love performance. I was working for my moment. I love performance and that one keeps me honest. And then I'll go back to something hard, like Split or Strong. And this is the first time I'm kind of was going and just scaling back up and I never really went back down. So I think the advice you gave me works out great. Thanks, Marty. And then do you have, I'd like to give you something. You said your girlfriend's competing. Does she have access to like Mass Prime Pro or Prime? Listen, I'm a trainer. I already got those. Adam's 100% right when you said that that's what keeps my client here. And I already, I have most of your programs because you guys are awesome and they help me because if I don't keep myself honest with your programs, I'll over program 100%. So I have that. And you know, if you guys can give her a shout out, she's a bikini competitor and she listens to you guys. And I just think these rules don't, she doesn't think these rules apply to her. If you guys can give her a shout out, her name's Amanda. She loves you guys. Amanda, good luck with your competition. Train smarter, not harder. Yeah, that's it. Listen to your trainer, Amanda. Listen to Marty. She knows what she's talking about. She's a smart lady. Thank you guys. But I have that, I wanted to support you guys. So I bought as many as I could because I just, you guys have done so much for me. I was an educator before I became a trainer and I just love fitness so much. And I jumped because of you guys because I felt confident with just kind of listening to all your episodes. And I, you know, I almost have just about all of them. So thank you, Sal. But I'm pretty sure I have all of them. Thank you, Marty. Well, thanks for calling in. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you guys. What a great, great trainer, huh? Yeah, no, that's such a common issue with people in our space. I still do it, right? It's like, can I do more? Let me see. And part of it isn't necessarily I want faster results. Part of it is I just like to work out. So if I have an excuse to do more. Can I do this? It's kind of experimental on some level. Talk about the self-awareness, though, to know that. Of course. Of course. To see that in yourself. Because I know I've gone way too long with over-training. Obviously, she's very in tune with herself. She was right on. I feel like she knew the answers to her question. She just wanted to hear us confirm. A little confirmation. Yeah, no, because I think she spot on. Like she tried to do PED, and it was just too much volume and simply transitioning back to either one of the other programs. The only way I would ever do a MAPS PED type program would be if I could take a nap in the middle of the day. If I had all my meals planned out. If I had meditation practice. Well, let's be honest, when we wrote it, we knew we were gearing it towards the bikini and physique and bodybuilder clientele. The advanced crowd. And we know that a large portion of those people are either genetic anomalies or enhanced with drugs. And that's kind of the person that that program is best for. If you are not in a genetic anomaly or you're not running a cycle, it's probably not an ideal program for most people. So, but the truth is there's a lot of people out there that exist. I mean, when I was in the space, I mean, I scaled to PED, but it wasn't toward till the end till my pro day. So it was like four or five years later. Yeah, no, I ran good solid three and a half years of the anabolic aesthetic performance, split, all those type of training. And then it wasn't until I got into the pro level where I was put that much time and effort before I could handle that. And, you know, of course I was enhanced. So, and probably still could have scaled back a little bit because I know I was definitely starting to battle joint pain and stuff. Our next caller is Bennett from Wisconsin. Bennett, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Great to be on the show. Thank you. All right. So my quick question is, so I've been working out for the last six years, played sports in college as a quarterback for my team. And then since graduating the last three years, really just been trying to kind of finally bulk up and focus on getting good aesthetic, good physique. And I just haven't been seeing the gains or even the strength I've wanted. It's kind of been really gradual. And I've been pretty avid with my fitness, diet, watching my calories, macros. So I'm just kind of looking for, maybe I'm doing too much. I still play basketball once a week, even kind of practicing with a semi-pro football team on the weekends as well. So I just want to look at what splits would be best for that or would I have to sacrifice some athletics and sports to achieve those goals of size and strength? So you hit the question that I was going to go towards right away. Almost always when I've trained a competitive athlete who now wants to like, okay, let's start building an aesthetic physique that's my new focus. Is they still have the athlete in them and they approach that mindset towards sculpting a body and they're just two different monsters. You can't take the same mindset that you apply to playing a sport as you do to building a physique because your caloric balance, your recovery, your total volume that you do, how you manage intensity, all those things matter so much when it comes to seeing results. So a couple questions so we can give you a better answer. What are you currently following as far as a routine? Are you following any maps programs right now? I just actually started Maps Aesthetic two weeks ago. Was going straight to performance right away but I feel like it was gonna be a lot of the stuff I'm used to. I wanted to focus more on just building a physique as I said. Before that, it was pretty much four days a week with an upper-lower split, pretty intense but a lot of it was still just what I've learned from playing football. So like basic dead lifts, power cleans, then really bench too much because I always had to keep my arm fresh but so yeah, it was a lot of the typical football workouts. And then how much are you playing like pickup games and stuff during the week? So what does like a normal week look like for you? So we got the four to five days in the gym lifting and then you have what else you got going on? So Monday usually I would do an upper body workout before going to play basketball and that was about two hours of basketball. Didn't really stop the entire time. Then Tuesday would be rest, lower on Thursday and then back to upper or lower on Wednesday and then upper on Thursday and then Saturday would be a little bit of full body and upper and then also just playing either pickup football or going to a semi pro trial. So two days a week you're playing sports on top of the lifting. And it's for a couple of hours. I'd say two days a week of resistance training would be. Yeah, I just say anabolic. I think I would have moved you to anabolic first. You're doing too much. And you know, here's the thing with getting bigger and athleticism. The reason why sometimes building muscle can take away from athleticism is because the person is not integrating their skills along with the changing of their body shape and size, so you know this better than anybody being highly competitive as a quarterback. If I put 10 pounds on your body and you go to throw the football, it's gonna be just a little different, just enough to kind of throw you off just a bit because your arm is a quarter inch bigger or your pecs are a little bit bigger. So it's gonna throw you off just a little bit. So the key to maintaining athleticism with size is to do them both at the same time so you can integrate the skill with the changing body. But aside from that, MAPS Aesthetic in combination with, what sounds like three or four hours of competitive sports is too much. MAPS Aesthetic was designed to be run alone. Yeah, MAPS Aesthetic was designed to be run alone. It was not designed to be run concurrently with sports. So I would go two days a week of resistance training max along with what you're doing and I would make it more full body focused, compound basic lifts and what you're gonna, you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'll see strength in muscle gains. Come on from doing that. Well, and I think too, you'd benefit the reason why too. I thought like anabolic style would be great because the trigger sessions in between, I think would be massively beneficial for you to focus more on single joint movements and really start to establish that more being that that's such a shift from the style of training you've been doing forever with football. And I know that for me that was a massive game changer in terms of like getting that kind of stimulation for my muscles and just constantly sending that signal. So, but that's all meant to do with load to moderate intensity max. So, the whole thing is to be able to manage your intensity appropriately in volume. Now, Bennett, are you done playing competitive sports like in the future or what's kind of like, what are you looking at in the next year to two years? Are you done? Are you gonna go back? What's that look like? Oh, I'm definitely done for future. It's more so just to kind of meet people, stay active, get some cardio in because I'm not much of a treadmill guy, but also been listening to these podcasts. So I don't really need too much cardio over it. Yeah, definitely just kind of looking as a fun outlet. Yeah, I think the two days a week of MAPS anabolic, we'll send you MAPS anabolic if you don't have it already, so we'll send that over to you. So you got it. Follow that two days a week. When you do play your pickup games, make sure you're well hydrated and fed. Make sure you're fed going into it, try and get some food right after, things like that. Make sure with that as much work and stuff you're doing, plus we're trying to build right now, make sure your protein intake is high enough. Those things will make a difference. But God, I remember going through this in my early 20s transitioning from being somebody who played basketball all the time and I still loved playing ball while I also was now, all of a sudden this, you know, focused on building physique. And I just struggled for so long because I couldn't feed my body enough calories. I wasn't giving it adequate rest and recovery. And I just, you know what, I'm gonna try and just cut sports out for a little while just to see what I can do. And like instantly I put on like 15 pounds of muscle. It was just too much for my body trying to do both. And so I had this, you know, struggle of, oh man, I love playing ball, but I also really wanna focus now on building a physique. And so I had to kind of let go of how much I was playing. Yeah, we'll send MAPS anabolic over to you if you don't have it, okay, Bennett? Awesome, appreciate it. All right, man, thanks for calling in. Yeah, thank you guys a lot. Thank you. Yeah, you know, MAPS aesthetic, MAPS split, like these routines are designed to be run alone. They're not designed to compliment additional sports or additional workouts. They're very focused on bodybuilding. So I think what people wanna do is they wanna take and they wanna train like a bodybuilder and play all these sports. They combine the two, it's a bad formula. Just too much. The worst at this, dude. Yeah. And I'm still dealing with this even at the high school level, like people doing their own thing, adding things to, you know, the rest of the day when like, so it's just a natural thing, you know, like if people wanna just keep up, you know, that high level intensity of movement. But yeah, if you're really specifically focused on what the plan has set out for you, you're gonna do much better. Yeah, most of the athletes I trained was one day a week of resistance training. That's what we got the best results. More than that. And it was, unless it was off season, right? He'll probably build a pretty good physique by doing that too. Yeah. You know, the other thing that's so common with athletes is just the overall application of intensity. That's just their mindset when you're especially like a football player, like you do everything intensely. It's a game, always, yeah. Yeah, and so then you approach your lifting and you know, it's not like that when it comes to, you know, building muscle. You know, building muscle requires the right amount of recovery time, the right amount of calories. It's like you're coaxing your body to build muscle. Yeah, you can't force it. Yeah, you can't like muscle your way or you know, like, you know, push yourself into building muscle. It's like, so right away, when he started talking about what he's doing, I guarantee this dude is just doing too much. Totally. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin on Instagram. You can find Adam on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal.