 I'd like to call the 20th meeting of the 2014 2015 Common Council to order the clerk Please read the quote for the day Progress is impossible without change and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything Thank you very much Would the clerk please call the roll? There are 15 present Alderman Thiel is excused Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance The flag of the United States of America into the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from our last meeting Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor move to approve second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. I Opposed motion passes There are no resignations nor council appointments or confirmation of council appointments Next item we'll go on to is the public forum Yes, we have one this evening milk storm milk. Can I have your home address, please? Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court We'll have five minutes, sir Thank you I want to thank the mayor and the council members to allow me my freedom of speech at these public forums Last Friday morning as I retrieved noisier Boykin press that that sometimes I find underneath my bushes On the front page. I noticed a photo of the Hanson gentleman I'm found further exp or examination. I saw that it was our mayor The headline was recycling of usable Garbage material and It would save the cost for the collection of the city My advice to the mayor is good luck Some Americans are more wasteful when it comes to what goes or is put into garbage bags I may put out one bag of garbage a week or I skip a week and then I put out two garbage bags Hopefully that will at least save the cost and labor and collection of garbage Why then must I as a senior pay $5 a month while other residents may put out many bags of garbage that may contain usable or recyclable material? President John F. Kennedy at his first and only a inaugural address in 1961 made this statement Ask not what your country can do for you Ask what you can do for your country and we could substitute the word city for that maybe If more residents Recycled what could we could reduce the cost of garbage collection and by some stroke of genius We maybe could get Sir Boyan to be the number one city. It was many years ago when I first came here Recycling is not only an economic issue. It is a moral issue We can all do a better job of recycling if someone or the city who gave us an adequate Recycling center. Thank you for listening to my words of wisdom free speech and common sense That's it for this evening Next are the mayor's announcements I'd like to start out and remind the citizens that the Sheboygan police department is holding a police Citizens Academy this is coming up starting on March 12th through May 21st The classes will be once a week on Thursdays from 6 o'clock. Excuse me 6 30 to 9 30 Applicants will be accepted until Friday the 27th and Citizens who are 18 years of age or older can apply to Become a part of the Citizens Academy It's a course that's designed to educate the public on police hiring training and the procedures the Academy is In criminal justice system to give the citizens a better understanding of the role of a police officer So if anyone's interested they can Can follow through with that Tomorrow is a meeting of the mayor's neighborhood leadership cabinet They'll be coming up at the Rococo room at the Mead Public Library tomorrow at 6 30 if anyone's interested in that Next I have several recognitions to to give out for some of the people who have worked for Sheboygan for a very long time like to Start out with Linda Schrader deputy city clerk Linda. Would you please step forward? Linda was hired as a clerk typist in the city clerk's office in 2000 after interviewing several candidates for the Position the previous clerk Pat Losey had decided to hire Linda The clerk's office staff asked about her qualifications and Pat responded she bakes This is provided to be a very very very true as so many City Hall Personnel can attest to that fact and so Linda started a longer adventurous career serving the public Showing and caring concern for all that she encountered Linda served as a deputy clerk from 2004 to the present Linda knew everyone now today went by in the 14 and a half years that she went and called her someone at the counter Or on the phone that she knew a neighbor a friend a poll worker a church member bowlers and the list goes on Linda would never let a birthday go by for any one of the office staff Without decorating perhaps a full vase of full foot fresh flowers or a card or a small gift to let them know how much he cared All the employees in and around City Hall knew that if they were having a 3 p.m. Craving for something sweet They could always stop in the clerk's office and count on Linda to have a supply of the best chocolates Smarties suckers or hard candies on her desk for them Butterfingers were the treat of choice for a certain building inspector Linda made everyone feel welcome when they came to the counter whether employees from other departments or the public She truly loved working in the city clerk's office and founded a great joy in going the extra mile for people every single day She certainly earned the right To turn her caring in nature To nurture herself and to enjoy a very happy and healthy next chapter of her life Linda on behalf of the city of Sheboygan I'd like to present the certificate of appreciation in Recognition of your 14 years of dedicated service from June of 2000 through January of 2015 Congratulations and have a great Thank you all very much. This was a wonderful journey And I'm gonna cry But I've thoroughly enjoyed the 14 and a half years that I've worked here. I've made wonderful friends wonderful companions We've had some wonderful times always some hard times too But 99% of them were the best of times and I thank you all I'll be thinking of you when I don't have to get up So early in the morning anymore Next I'd like to ask fire Department Lieutenant Jeffrey Wessel to please come forward Jeff is a 22-year veteran of the Sheboygan fire department being hired in January of 1993 His most recent position was lieutenant of station number five A-shift Jeff spent the majority of career at station number two Spending time as a firefighter and later a fire equipment operator of ladder number two He was promoted to lieutenant on January 1st of 2012 Prior to being hired by the Sheboygan fire department Jeff spent eight years on the West Milwaukee fire department in two years with the Milwaukee fire department Just step forward to help organize the live burn our Our department had had this fall his first live burn in the city had it had had in the home for 25 years Jeff was involved in the number of water rescues over the years with recognition coming from the rescue of an elderly lady from the apartments at Oak Creek in 1998 Unable to open the door to the apartment due to water pressure against the door He was part of a team that used an axe to chop through the wall rescue the lady from the apartment He was also on the scene of a landmark fire and the fire at Bethlehem school. Jeff's lives in Sheboygan with his wife rose Jeff we have a certificate of appreciation For the 21 years of dedicated service to the city of Sheboygan working from January of 1993 through December of 2014 Congratulations and happy retirement Is Randall Bauer here is Thomas Sontag here, okay, our next honoree Is Bob Rieke Bob started with the Department of Public Works in September of 1980 as a laborer one on October 12th of 1980 he was promoted to sanitation operator in In 1983 he was promoted to truck driver and in 2004 promoted to equipment operator Paul his wife is here. Paula will you please come forward? The guys that work Knew that if you really wanted to brighten Bob's day There were two things that brought a smile to his face Talking about his family and his many hunting endeavors He liked to talk about the weekend activities with his grandchildren such as watching their sporting events or just hanging out With them when it came to hunting there was always a trip planned and a story to tell not to mention how awesome all those critters tasted To me it was clear that Bob really enjoyed coming to work every day and did his best provide quality service for our city Bob was a long time excellent employee who was fighting cancer Bob will be missed by the entire city team, but most of all by those co-workers in his department at DPW Bob fought the great fight and was making progress in recovering from a recent operation he was looking forward to returning his position at the city and Recently had the chance to join his family and friends for a deer hunting excursion last year But unfortunately his condition deteriorated and his fight came to an end on December 4th In recognition of the 34 years of service I'd like to present Paula with this certificate of appreciation Honoring Bob Reiki for his 34 years of dedicated service from September of 1980 to December of 2014 Next we'll go on to our hearing Item 2.1 is a hearing for the final resolution regarding the industrial development revenue bond financing for polyfab corporation project Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Is there anyone wishing to be heard? All of them in Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I moved to close Did you want to speak sir? Please step up to the podium I'm Rick Gill from polyfab. Can I have your name, please Rick? Gil g i l l. Okay. Very good. Thank you, and I just want to take this opportunity to thank the folks in the city and the state for helping us through this project because it is something that is We could not have done by ourselves And it's a big step for us, and we're just really thankful for your help Thank you very much Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to close second. Thank you for that motion and support Is there any objection to closing? All those in favor in closing please signify by saying aye. Aye. Of course motion passes Next we'll go on to the consent agenda which is items 3.2 through 3.2 to Alderman Hammond Thank you, Mr. Mayor I move to accept and file our all RO's except and adopt all reports of committees and put all resolutions and ordinances upon their passage Second thank you for that motion and support Alderman Donahue. Thank you mayor. I would ask that 3.5 be a poll for separate vote. Thank you We'll take 3.5 first is there any discussion on 3.5, which is community dot block grant Proposal see none the clerk, please call the roll on 3.5 and the consent agenda 12 eyes and three abstentions Okay, then we'll go on and take all the remaining items in the consent agenda. Is there any discussion on those items? See none will the clerk, please call the roll for passage Motion passes Under reports of officers items 4.1 through 4.7 will be referred to various committees Under resolutions 5.1 is a resolution by Alderman Hammond authorizing retaining outside legal counsel to represent the city in a matter of Daniel Gilbertson at all versus the city of Sheboygan and authorizing payment for said services Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor move this to spend the rules second Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed. Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd move to put the resolution upon his passage second Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion see now will the clerk, please call the roll 15 eyes Motion passes items 5.3 through 5.7 will be referred to various committees Under reports of committees Item 6.1 is an RC by law and licensing to whom was referred pursuant to our own number 193 of 1415 submitting license applications and they recommend that the taxicab driver's license 0621 be denied based on her failure to accurate reveal relevant convictions on her taxicab driver's license Application or record of violations related to the license activity in her record as a repeat law offender Alderman Vander wheel Thank You move the RC be accepted and adopted second Thank for that motion in support under discussion is Mandy Kuntzman here this evening She's not she did appear before our committee and we voted three to one to deny the license Because of her long record as well as the police department's negative recommendation Thank You is there any other discussion See nine will the clerk please call the roll 14 eyes and one no Motion passes item 6.2 is an RC by salary and grievances who's Reserved RC number 215 of 1415 by the committee of the whole and our own number 178 of 1415 By the city clerk submitting a communication from Alderman born regarding revising the chief administrator's job description Recommends the attached ordinance with updated job description be passed Alderman Donahue Thank You mayor. I would move that the Report be accepted and adopted and passed the ordinance with an updated job description Is there a second thank you for that motion and support motions before us for discussion Alderman Hammond, thank you, mr. Mayor I'm not going to be supporting this document in its present form although. I do have an amendment for it in a moment I have no problem with essentially Items after number two But the part I do have a concern with this and some of it of course is semantics and subject to interpretation But the part I do have a problem with is asking the chief administrative officer to make Policy decisions on behalf of the council. That's not that individual's role Nor should it be that individual's role. That's why we're here So I have no problem with having the chief administrative officer present a detailed budget Based off of the information that we know and even having that particular individual put together options To present to the council for their selection But to have the chief administrative officer decide You know which positions are going Which services go that's not that position's role. That's our role, so I would like to amend the document essentially number one under the Develop and present a detailed budget a balanced budget scenarios for consideration was would be to detail develop a and present a Detailed budget with optional scenarios for balancing the budget That's a second, okay, we have an amendment before us for further discussion on the amendment all the men boring Thanks, ma'er. I don't know if this is on the amendment. I'll just mention what I'm going to mention If it's not all I'll talk about it later. I don't think in my opinion. I don't think having the chief administrative officer Pres develop and present detailed budget scenarios for consideration by the council with input from the mayor I don't understand why that's Making policy We're the ones we're the ones that are eventually going to make the policy by voting on some of the scenarios That's presented by the chief administrative officer For example, I believe the school board this year and they've had some very very difficult budgets the last couple of years The school board was by the financial people at work for the school system was presented a balanced budget with a number of options for the school board to Consider I also believe that by the time the county budget arrived for the county board supervisors to look over the financial people and The finance committee over at the at the county came up with a number of scenarios To balance the budget now with the school system and and with the county Those weren't necessarily the final product, but they were suggestions by those bodies to help those bodies balance their budget So I don't think by the chief administrative officer coming up with Scenarios and numbers attached to those scenarios are Creating policy when it comes time to vote on the budget. We're creating the policy. Thanks Thanks for those comments next to Alderman Carlson Thank You mayor Alderman Hammond's comments is I too also don't think that the Chief administrator should be setting policy policy decisions that may be what the school does but however, we're not the school district We are the elected officials that are charged with Balancing our budget every year the chief administrator. I mean as you all know, it's not an elected position. It is appointed He is a policy enforcer not a policy setter. I believe he should just give the budget as it is and Once again, he can give us some options, but we're the ones that ultimately have to make the decision It shouldn't it shouldn't be coming from his office So I will support to support this amendment if this amendment doesn't pass I will not support the document as a whole. Thank you. Thank you for those comments next Alderman Donahue Thank you We had a long discussion about the about the Actually, which are relatively minor changes to the chief administrative officer's job position as salary and grievance I can certainly support Alderman Hammond's amendment and I will But but here's the thing that we I think all need to remember If in fact the chief administrative officer presents us as this would indicate with various budget scenarios that would be balanced There would be policy decisions within that budget because about a budget if nothing else a great big policy statement So one of the balanced budget scenarios might be to eliminate for police officers It could be to close a fire station. It could be to close the library three days a week it could be to stop Maintaining our city parks, you know, there are any number of policy Decisions that you find within a budget and so what we're asking here is for the chief administrative officer to present us with some options But from my perspective the challenge is before we ask The chief administrative officer to make those to make those balanced budget Proposals to us we give him or her as it may develop in the future a road map to Tell him which road we're going down because It's not really fair in my view to have the chief administrative officer come in with 16 different scenarios and then get shot up for it As it were because one is angry about the police one is angry about the library one about public works and so forth so again, we really are in charge here of presenting Thinking through it, you know, it's that that long-term vision. What do we want to see our city be? What do we want it to look like? How do we want it to operate and those are decisions and input that need to come from us? So in terms of the balanced budget scenarios, I mean really that's almost an administrative task You know, well, we'll take a hundred thousand here and we'll put fifty thousand here And we'll take two million here and and rearrange it and we can budget and balance anything that we want But it is up to us it is incumbent on us as as as older people to make sure that we present the chief administrative officer and other department heads with Ideas about where it is that we want the city to go This is going to be particularly important because as far as I can tell the next two to three years are going to be Incredibly difficult from a budget perspective for this city and for all municipalities within the state. So Nothing in this job description Gives the chief administrative officer Policy power that he or she doesn't already have or shouldn't have It's really to clarify that we'd like some you and we'd like some you know scenarios that being said I think I think Alderman Hammond's Amendment is certainly within the philosophy that was expressed at salary and grievance nine perfectly Happy to support it Thank you for those comments Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor I'm not going to support this the way it stands right now either and for various reasons Number one, I don't think that there's a problem. So we're trying to fix something that isn't broken in my opinion It appears to me in in my dealings You know on the council with the various committees and the department heads that I work with that the mayor and the The chief administrative officer work fine together and there is no need to you know to further You know tweak the job description It seems to me that ever since that we've come up with the chief administrative officer There's been issues whether it's related directly with his position or the mayor's position or the delineation of duties amongst those two offices and I think the real problem is is that We've got a hybrid form of government here. We've got a council mayor system with a hybrid of a chief administrative officer or a manager in place and so we've got most municipalities either have a commission they have a Council manager or they have a mayor council system and we've got kind of a hybrid Unique form of government here and I think what needs to happen is we need to figure out which way we want to go Do we want to have a mayor council? Do we want to have a commission or do we want to have a council city manager system and When the new council gets seated I will be putting something forward that we will look at the different scenarios the benefits and You know the you know, what we'll look at you know, which way we want to go with that But I don't think tweaking this continually Is is you know really solving the issue? I think we really need to look at how are we best going to be served as a city moving forward And I think that's what needs to be addressed and that's what I'm going to do. Thank you Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor You know to mr. Born or Alderman person born's comments earlier. It's exactly what I'm saying I just want the language to be a little more clarified when you look at what the school district does and other Municipalities do their business managers the council in their case of school board provides them with input They present the budget and then go back and look at various options for balancing that budget I just want that more clearly delineated in the job description that we're expecting them to present the detailed budget with Options on how to handle any deficits that may exist So I think actually we're saying the exact same thing. I just want it more clarified in this document That we're not expecting them to come out and say this is what we're doing We want options and this body will decide on what options makes the most sense based off of where the city is at that time Thank You Alderman born Thank You mayor. I just don't think unless we get The chief administrative officer develops and presents a detailed balanced budget scenarios What I got what I got at the committee of a whole meeting that we had on the budget What I got out of mr. Immortio's office Nancy bus could have provided me with that This is as simple as that and unless unless the in my opinion unless the chief administrative officer Is more involved in the budget as I'm describing. I simply don't think it's a salary grade 16 job I really don't I don't think we're getting our money for the position. I talked to a financial person Earlier this week that in the community that I that I respect very much and this topic was brought up and Pardon my French. He said why the hell did you hire him if he's not going to give you a balanced budget with scenarios? And I guess that's my question. Why are we paying somebody a hundred and twenty thousand dollars when we could get the same information? From Nancy bus who's been with the city for a million years She I could have gotten the same information that I got at the committee of the whole meeting From Jim that I that I got from Nancy bus. So I'm sticking to my guns. I won't support the amendment I think what I laid out is a very good compromise. It's clear as glass of what we expect from that position. Thank you Thank you alderman Heidemann. Thank you, ma'am I believe this document at committee was voted unanimously and I was just wondering if there's a possibility that we could Forgo the amendment and take this document and send it back to salary grievance and have them come to the Common Council with a clean document rather than try to amend something on the fly Did you want to make a motion make that motion? Is there a second to that motion? There's a motion in a second to Send this back to the salary and grievances committee for further discussion Under discussion Alderman Donahue Please no We're talking about what our job is So salary and grievance got some suggestions to change the chief administrative officers Job description. They're pretty minor changes since we're focused only on Alderman Hammond's amendment I'm not going to talk about those other changes, but we voted on it We can send it back to committee and we can do the same thing and then we can bring it back here And then there'll be another amendment and we can do This is what we're paid for The committee made a recommendation We have an amendment and I think we can decide the amendment as far as I'm concerned And I don't need to disrespect Alderman Hammond's Authorship here, but it's relatively minor. It's it's not a huge sea change It's not anything that dramatically changes what salary and grievance came up with or in fact that Alderman born had originally proposed as always we need to be respectful of In terms of our conversation here, but I really do I Really do hope that we can vote on the amendment And then I would be happy to just very briefly review the additional job changes that were made a few of the things that you saw in your Document were just cleaning up, you know, there were a few grammatical and categorical errors So but I'd be happy to just review the substantive changes once we get through the amendment And then the motion to refer and then depending on what happens with that to the amendment and then to the job description Thank you for those comments Alderman Carlson, did you have something on this motion to re-refer? Yes, go ahead I will follow up on when we get back to the amendment Oh, I think this is already run its course It went through the proper process as Alderman Downey was already stated and now we do have the chance as a whole body to Talk about it to send it back to the committee is once again, shirking their responsibilities as this entire council. I There's no need to send it back to committee. It's a very minor change between His wording and his wording and I think we can settle that right here right now. That's what we're here for There's no reason to send it back through wait another week To have it go to committee then wait another week to have it come back to the council so we can have the same exact argument It's pointless in my opinion. So hopefully we can vote this down and talk on the amendment. Thank you Thank you. Is there any other discussion on a re-referral? Can I just find out who made the second to refer? Thank you with a clerk then please Pardon We're voting to send it back to SMG Please write clerk to call the roll for the motion to re-refer I'm guessing but I don't want to do it on and I'm also Haven't I don't have yours or David I was on the document. Okay Four eyes 11 nose Okay, we continue with the discussion on the amendment Alderman Carlson Thank you, ma'am. As I stated before the change is pretty minor But in my opinion, I think we need to keep it the way it is right now for two reasons one The chief administrator has been offering up suggestions for the past couple years every time we we have this budget fight This council chooses not to accept any of them hence the reason why we still have a garbage fee and the way I see it is if the chief administrator Proposes a balanced budget with those cuts with whatever cuts that need to happen This body most likely will vote on it and then place all blame on the city administrator And therefore he becomes a policy setter so this body can shirk its responsibilities That's why I don't see it as minor as it as it really does come across just a matter of wording But that's that's one reason why I cannot support it his sole job is to enforce the policy present the budget as it stands in real life We can have that fight here as a council. That should not be his decision because that's the way I see it happening Thank you. Thank you for those comments any other discussion Alderman Hammond, I'd like to ask you to please reread the amendment And save it This is recorded I hope so I Would like to my amendment would be to develop and present a balanced a balanced budget with optional scenarios Develop and present a detailed budget. Thank you, Alderman Carlson with optionals with optional scenarios for optional scenarios to balance any deficits for consideration to the common Did you want to there's a rest of that sentence and another sentence? Yeah, that's all stays. Okay. I want to add that piece Yes, okay with think develop and implement annual budget on a direction common council will then put in front there all that stays Okay, all right Seeing other discussion with a clerk, please call the roll on the amendment On a different screen ten eyes five nose The amendment passes the Main motion is before us as amended. Is there any further discussion on the motion before us? See now will the clerk, please call the roll on passage 12 eyes three nose Motion passes Item 6.3 is an RC by finance to whom was referred resolution number 129 of 1415 by alderman Hammond Being a final resolution regarding the industrial revenue bond financing for polyfab corporation project and recommends that the resolution be passed Alderman Hammond, thank you, mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt the RC and put the resolution upon its passage again Thank you for that motion support under discussion Alderman Hammond, thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to take this opportunity to thank mr. Gill and polyfab for Some investment that they're going to make in the community anytime we get our manufacturers business community to continue to make investment in Sheboygan that can only be a positive thing so Again, we'd like to thank mr. Gill and polyfab for their investment. Thank you Thank you for those comments any other discussion See none will the clerk, please call the roll 15 eyes Motion passes Item 6.4 is an RC by finance to whom was referred resolution number 130 of 1415 by alderman Hammond authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2015 budget to establish revenue and appropriation proceeds from the estate of carol bootson and Recommends that the resolution be passed alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor and move to accept and adopt the RC and put the resolution upon its passage second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? See none will the clerk, please call the roll 15 eyes Motion passes Item 6.5 is an RC by finance to whom was referred resolution number 124 of 1415 by alderman Hammond authorizing Accepting an offer to purchase the armory building and a portion of the armory parcel Recommends that the resolution 124 of 1415 be placed on file and as a result of determination by the historic Preservation and housing rehab Commission the committee recommends that the staff draft and execute a counter offer to seize Factoring in the necessary changes a result of the 90-day delay and demolition alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt second. Thank you for the motion and support under discussion Alderman borne Thank you, mayor. What exactly are we voting on here then this is going to be another? Can somebody explain what this means exactly? Or not only me, but maybe the public so they know what's going on city attorney The historic preservation housing rehabilitation rehabilitation Commission at its last meeting Made a finding that the armory Was the preferably preserved historic? significant building and that thereby places a 90-day hold on the demolition permit that would have issued Consistent with the offer to purchase by seas which called for payment To have been in the price of the demolition seas was going to do the demolition with that offer had a Acceptance date January 6, so that's expired basically now This proposal is to then submit a counter offer to seize to Further the process With the understanding though that there's going to be a delay in at least 90 days before there's any demolition or going forward with the purchase, but it's I believe and I Won't speak for the committee itself, but I believe my understanding is it's Indication to seize that the city wishes to still proceed with their project subject to this delay obviously in that 90-day period if there is Someone that comes forward with the proposal to preserve the armory That's something that the commission then would look at And the council would look at but absent that it would Continue the process with seas and they could go forward with acquisition of the property so this would Have staff draft and execute a counter offer to seize basically consistent with their original offer In light of the 90-day delay Thank you. Hopefully that's that's clear Thank you for that explanation Is there any other discussion? See none. Well the clerk, please call the roll for passage 12 eyes 3 nose Motion passes Item 6.6 is an RC by finance to whom was referred a RO number 208 of 1415 in resolution 131 of 1415 by Alderman Hammond authorizing into a seven-year lease purchase agreement for the remount and refurbishing of three existing ambulance bodies on to new chassis's and the purchase of one Pre-owned 2008 model ambulance with 2,000 miles alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor I move to accept and adopt the RC and put the rest of it put the resolution upon its passage second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion alderman borne Thank You mayor. I Originally was not going to support this This RC But after having about a 45 minute conversation last week with the fire chief very frank and open discussion I might add where he knows where I stand and I know where he stands and the reason I'm going to support this is for two reasons number one if we're going to be in the ambulance business. I want our Paramedics who are doing an excellent job. It's never been an issue with me. They do an excellent job I want them to have the best equipment and the latest technology Possible to be able to serve the patients that they serve The second reason I'm going to support this lease is because after having some communication with our purchasing agent this is a municipal lease and The term of the lease is for seven years But I found out in some communication with the purchasing agent that with the municipal lease that in the event for financial reasons during the course of that lease that the city would decide no longer to be in the ambulance business that the city at that point could stop making payments on that lease with no future penalty and the leasing agent would accept the return of Of that equipment the ambulances and whatever else so I Really have my doubts with the way that the finances of the ambulance have been going since we've been in the ambulance business That it's going to survive another seven years. I certainly hope that's not the case but I think some decisions are going to have to be made because What we were promised back in oh eight or oh nine when I was around and I think maybe the only other one was Alderman Heidemann Was that we could expect that we were going to going to receive? 48% of the point of order we're on the topic of the ambulance and purchasing not Rehashing whether or not the ambulance is viable financially. It's should we be purchasing these ambulances or not Not again rehashing what happened oh eight or oh nine. Thank you for that point of order Alderman Warren Could you please confine your comments to the ambulance purchase? Well? That's one of the reasons why I have I am so I am supporting it and as I said because of the municipal lease and That in the event that hopefully Mr.. Amodio and our finance chairman will take a look at the The financials of the of the ambulance service such that they have been the last few years I Am going to support it but as as always it's not the service we're providing It's the financials, and I think if any independent CPA or loan officer at a bank would take a look at these financials over the years. They're not in very good shape. Thank you Any other discussion See none will a clerk. Please call the roll on the motion 13 eyes to nose motion passes Under ordinances items 7.1 through 7.3 will be referred to various committees Next item on the agenda is other matters city attorney 8.1 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending December 31 2015 and June 30 2016 that'll be referred to the law and licensing committee 8.2 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a claim from Jerome Doink for wedge damages to his vehicle when the shboygan snow plow struck his vehicle that'll be referred to the finance committee Next we have a scheduled closed session Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor I moved to close To convening closed session on the exemption provided in section 1985 1g Wisconsin statutes for the purpose of conferring with legal counsel for the city who is rendering oral advice concerning strategy to be Adopted by the city with respect to litigation in which it is involved namely Gilbertson at all versus city of shabuigan Shabuigan County Circuit Court case number 14 cv. 792 Thanks for that motion in support with a clerk. Please call the roll for closed session 15 eyes We'll stand adjourned for five minutes And reconvene