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As I went to put the seat back I seen him coming round you know and I just opened the door and as I got one leg out he already had the gun there. I remember when I was honoring man Jesus Christ I was like there was all like the guns the harm response helicopters you know everything above you know it was like shut out the city off to take me to the court. I said you ain't got your bullet proof vest on. I said what do you need a bullet proof vest? I said you fucking prick start the van and get it out there. I was still heavily being looked into with the police when I was in prison you know I was still under constant investigation for the fall, full duration and as soon as I stepped out the gate it continued. How the fuck does that happen like that? That switch of being a criminal to then being training people to be the best fighters on the planet? Even the people upstairs you know the two people you know there was gag bound and gag light on the bed stretching out you know. I thought fucking I thought what is this? All as I remember it was a was a lovely young fellow you know listen if it would have meant giving our lives for him to win that fight we'd have done it. I was in the cate again and I was looking multiple charges you know if I would have went wrong I was getting 30 plus years. And boom we're on in today's guest we've got big Peter Fury. Peter. Good to see you James. Absolute pleasure brother. Pleasure. Yeah listen a man is very well respected all around not just the UK but the world for the things that you've achieved. Listen some dark things a lot of positives like so many positives and listen that's life. I know a lot of people who's very well connected with you and they speak highly so highly of you let us. There's not many people who show respect but for me I don't I like a lot of people who don't respect a lot of people and you're one of those men who I do respect. Thank you James I really appreciate it. Yeah you try and be right with people that's the thing go for your life and that's it you know in in all parts of my life I've always been respectful to to the people that I've been around associated with and the friends I've got over the years. Yeah that's all you can do. That's all you can do yeah that's it and every try and better yourself every day don't you. Yeah before we get into everything Peter I always like to go back to the start of my guests get about understanding about you how you function kind of where you grew up and how it all began. What can I say I've probably began when I was about nine years of age so yeah gone way back so yeah just worked very hard as a young fella. What age? From about any age nine, ten, eleven we put to work very young so yeah. Is that the traveling nature straight away? That's the traveling culture yeah that's not just for me that's that's what your travels was you know. Yeah and your mum is at Hume and Sissy is that correct? That's right. How are their parents? Best parents in the world you know the best. I was very very lucky to have them you know he brought us up well and very proud of me mother and father what they've done for us. Yeah how about school? I know a lot of traveling community don't really go to school but what about yourself? Yeah I went to school till I was about the big age of eight. So you know I remember it well I went from five to eight so I spent about three years in different schools all around the country week a week there two weeks here two weeks there you know doing a bit of colouring and stuff but yeah but no I never I never learnt anything at school I wasn't interested in it. Did that become the norm for you? Like with did you understand what a traveler was then? Is it a very young age? Just the way we lived it was our culture you know so we always I don't know I never differentiated as being any different for anybody else but the people did in the school and stuff so I knew we was I knew we was a bit different but it was a bit different back then than what it is today. Were you ever like people know when you were different then? Did people try and bully you? Yeah the normal stuff in school play grounds we had it you know there you'd be being called names and stuff and singled out nobody would play with you and all that type of stuff you know but it was listen they done me a favour at the end of the day because it makes you stronger doesn't it? What doesn't kill you makes you stronger? What was your first ever job? First ever job was probably doing a bit of snow clearing of drives and stuff when it was snowing that's all I can remember you know little bits and pieces jobs for people and going around the houses where we lived and asking them if they needed any work and stuff like this you know any manual jobs so we do a little bit of that. What did your mom and dad do? My mother and father they was like into mainly a little bit of everything but mainly they'd be door-to-door sales people selling carpets selling selling bedding you know all this type of stuff that's what they were doing. Big family here Peter as well was it three four brothers? Yeah four brothers including myself yeah. How was it with everybody at that time? It was good we just all stuck together we played together and you know we just stuck together as a family was a good type family unit when we were younger. What was your first proper job? Proper job as in as in what? Legit. Legit well there was all legit you know when I was growing up you know you know done many things done many things put me hands to everything about probably the motor trade I got involved in that when I was shortly after I was married. Because you met your wife she's a place of big part in your life I believe what makes a man is that I believe if you have a strong woman by your side your life is then on the right path. But it's difficult nowadays Peter if I'm honest that with so much social media and attention that it's so easy for people to get mixed up in different relationships sharing different energies back then it's kind of my mom and dad married at 16 17 like 36 years before my dad God rest his soul but you don't really see that anymore that commitment because let's be honest love is painful love is fucking hard it's not all skipping down the road holding hands it's when the shit hits the fan as your partner going to be there so you're going to be shagging the guy next door like that's the main thing about life but how did your relationship start with your missus? I met my missus when I was young 14 and we've seen each other for two and a half year and we got married uh just two months shy of being 17 you know so I was still 16 you know I just remember it went into a registrar in Bradford we just got married and uh that was it got in a van next day work that was it there was no there was no only moons then there was nothing because there's no money you know who was hurt there was that but you know look you know when um when there's two people I remember it you know it was when we started out you know we never anything so but we was on our own we was on our uh you know we didn't get any end doubts we've done our own thing and we struggled along how did you how do you manage to keep a relationship for so long Peter Hitler what's the what's the main ingredient do you think? I think listen you know when you that look everything comes into it love loyalty it's the same thing you know somebody's in your heart and you think the world of them and you'll die for your family that's it you know it's uh it's not a one-way street you know she's been uh she's been the rock behind this family you know so you know all the boys all the girls got six kids you know to ring the mother they don't ring me you know so uh I only get a call when there's a problem basically the mother's uh the backbone of the other full family really so yeah 16 and married that what way did your life go then obviously I think you get the car trade is that correct? I'm not straight away I don't know all kinds of different things you know just a scraper living here and there we got married I touched on it earlier you know it's all the old kinds of thing horse shit whatever it may be scrap metals uh doing trees gardening whatever it may be you know just try to do everything how much do you make from horse shit? Very little you know look when you got no money you're happy to make anything that's the thing people can lose word if come from because when you've got no money you'll settle to do anything you're just very happy to make it to the next day you know that that's how it was you know you get a few quid and think oh you know thank god I can you know we can eat you know we can do things we can pay the rent or whatever you know that's that's the way it was back then so you're always uh you're always fighting to keep you head above water where were you living then? I was living on uh on uh travellers sites gypsy sites um mainly in uh Akrington Lancashire we was there for a bit. How was it there? It was good they enjoyed it you know we stayed on a place called Jim West Place in Ozil Twizzle and it was a good people you know travellers again they won the place you know and they've got on with the people very very well why why is they travellers why are they such tough bastards like how why is that blood that ingrained the fighting spirit like where does that come from? It might come from hardship and you know you can come from past generations have no idea but you know there's a lot of travellers that's uh not interested in uh trouble or or hardship a lot a lot of gypsy people are very very clever you know they can get on their own two feet you know they'll they'll survive you know if they're tipped out in the jungle they'll find a way you know that's always been the way really going back generations with travellers you know what do you look at kids now Peter like with suicide on your eyes and everything seems soft and people just seem weak like it's not to bring men down like I'd do everything on my power to try and guide men to understand life and you've got to push through the pain but with the traveling upbringing like working seven six seven eight just pushing providing I know many travellers now especially with the line of work I'm in we became good friends and they're fucking 100 percent they're solid like the work card provide for their family old school morals the missus is kind of looks after the kids makes a lovely meal home is clean like what do you think a lot of people is missing with the kids nowadays well it's not only in other cultures it's in it's with travellers as well you see a lot of it you know where you know the girls the young girls today are not respectable they'll shag every fella they can get their hands on you know it's just the way it is a lot of travellers has lost their way to be honest with you so it's the same in all cultures of life and there's still some good decent people out there but it's rare today it's like rare it's like diamonds you know because I know this because I speak to me sons all the time and they're telling me that I can't find a respectable woman anywhere so I'm not going to bother you know it's like this so it's not easy it's not easy because all the shit what goes on look at all these internets you know anything goes today there's no bounds is it you know yeah so see when you started getting into the car trade you were you were flying her you're fucking smashing it yeah life going well making a bit of money like how was life for you then life was good you know we was uh yeah we were doing very well from what is it what did they say from rags to riches so to speak yeah and you know we had full and plenty but you know you can't take what's to say and I don't know I don't know I don't know if I didn't appreciate it back then but you know yeah what you are aren't you I don't think uh I'm I was back then I would say I was a walking contradiction because I'd do anything to get all the get all the money because that was my mindset yeah but when I got the money I didn't value it when I got the cars and the houses I didn't value it I'd look at it and think yeah it's a beta 10 it's whatever so it's a it's a contradiction I can't really say I can only really say back then I mean mine really was what do you think was missing I have no idea you know there's a it's searching for stuff and you can get busy looking on the outside world and you know you know wanting to do better than anybody else and you want to be bigger and you want to do this one is it up but when you look at it the reason is what for I had everything anyway and what I had was the wife and the kids that's what I should have looked at because that was the main thing and when the penny dropped that's what I realized that's the main thing in my life the rest of it's all bullshit yeah so you had that patch before your own cars on it yeah we had I had a I had a few pitches with motors on but uh yeah I had one which was big up to 200 on it yeah so life is going good you've got the message you've got the kids you're making a batter though like you say there's always that something missing whether it's greed or what more power like it's hard to fucking pinpoint even all the mistakes you do you name it can I say say greed knowing no bounds whatever you want to call it I would stick me with that label I was all of them you know you know good few times over from from zero like I said from rags to riches and we'd made the money you know there's no uh there wasn't uh maybe bits of skull dug a year and there but nothing really you know it was all proper business yeah so see because you're very well known in the underworld very well respected as well um so you've went from a legit millionaire lifestyle how did you end up getting into the dark side that's and it's like anything else it's a it's a company you keep and you socialize with different kind of people and you can get involved you know from um from helping out you know getting offered money to do things and then it just uh it just spirals out of control then did you had messy see that she did you know and uh she was like totally against it all you know I always say you know if I had listened to her I would have been I would have been different she had the brains you know I'm the I'm the div like no mistake I'm the clown you know if you want to wear the clown badge stick it on me because she's the brains of the outfit you know because everything she said was absolutely true you know smart that and it resounded because when I was on 24 hour bang up yeah solitary confinement right then her words echoed in my ears along with me dear mother and father as well so yeah yeah what did he say you never learn until it's too late yeah it was one of them so see when you were your deck what is that a deck we are deck collecting at any point muscle yeah a little bit yeah that's what probably where that's where it all started is that an element of like buzz control that power where you know yourself you've got everything but there's something missing where you're chasing something external yeah exactly it was all of that to be fair the violence kind of side of things yeah yeah it was all of that you know just the excitement something different you're not you're probably too much testosterone whatever you want to call it you know you're doing much boxing then Peter not really I was uh I'd always have me handing it somewhere I used to train all the time you know but I wasn't interested in uh professional boxing and nothing like that you know I had uh how can you be interested in professional boxing when you'd have a fight back in them days and get 250 quid when you know I've already got money so it just it just didn't work practical for me because the business as I was doing the money I was earning before the before all the shit even the straight business I'd do it as a hobby there the boxing how do you it's mad that how's a lot of the traveling communities well can then create multi-million-pound businesses like what is that then learning from the just from the streets learning from just being in the hustle because there's kids that can go to university seven years five years reading books can't fucking run a business to say herself and their communication skills are shit that that's what it's all about for me is communicating if you're a good communicator with an individual man you can go anywhere in life I think so it's how you treat people if you're a good communicator I think you're absolutely right James that's the key that's the key to life and like you said you know people you know you're respected by people people will work with you who wants to work with somebody and says that fella will have you over that's the piece of shit in my eyes you know look your reputation goes before you it's like it's like your fingerprints in a police station your reputation never leaves you you fuck somebody you have them over or you do some skull-duggery it travels with you people say I don't mess with him you know and that's that's the way life is yes so when you write with people it comes back it always comes back to the same thing you know being right and being good with people pays you back yeah definitely so see me again through that leaf then and you're involved in the madness you're bang involved that was never anybody to say your mum or dad at that point like you're going fucking off the radar here or was you too far gone too far gone listen me to tell me all the time you know me old father you know god rest his soul he used to say you know listen my son my lad he'd say you know I've never seen anything like it he said you know we said we are travelers he said he says and I've never seen anything like what you're doing he says you know he says I just don't understand he says he said you get lucky he said you got a wife and little kids and he says you need you need to think of them he said but I'm going to tell you this you're going to do a long time in prison or you're going to end up dead so he said there's no other way out here he says you're not going to do what you think you're going to do and he and listen he was he was spot on yeah fortunately very fortunately I got the prison you know because I hadn't got the prison hour went one way it's my dad that our father see things like back in the day my dad was a bouncer in Glasgow and he knew everyone but that was part of my downfall as well because I used to go to the night club and I thought I fucking owned it when I was 16 17 because he used to get me in for free and he used to say stay away from him stay away from him and as the years went on they were either dead or murdered or prison themselves or murder that it's sad because as a father now as I know as a father now I see my kids and I see that all right the mistakes that they can make they're still very young but I just hope they'll listen to me because my dad everything he says came true yeah and before he died my life was a fuck up well you know I know people it's like we've all been and done different things and you know looking at the outside you think okay I'll keep away from him that guy's highly dangerous you know that guy whatever but I know some good people that's not here anymore that's dead you know young people in the prime of their life and you know good-hearted you know as good as they can be but they're dead life cultured and what for it's all nonsense yeah it's all preflado it's all ego it's all it's all nonsense you know I've lost count how many people's gone that I've known over the years you know so it's not good when was the first time you got the jupiter I got jail in 1994 I got arrested in 94 and I come out in 2000 I come out the end of 2000 yeah October 2000 that was a 10 stretch yeah yeah that was the first time straight on first time straight in yeah big sentence now for speed yeah you know it's because of who you are you know it's organized crime and you know they put me at the head of it so you know that's uh you know that's that's how it was and I got the full blunt of the law as well you know they made sure you know I didn't just do normal prison they made sure it if the crime fitted the sentence or whatever you know so uh yeah I had heavy jail as heavy as it can get what you're thinking through court is that when kind of your wife's words and your father's words kind of resonate in your mind and you think I should have listened or was it later on in your sentence well you grow up don't you you know you're learning you know you know you learn the hard way and I've learned the hard way you know nobody's give me anything and I've you know and I have I've learned the hard way and you know what it is there's one thing I've there's one thing having a fight and you know you know you're getting punched all up and down and you can feel it you know your energy's draining and you know what you just you just keep drugging on that's one thing but that's that's super minor compared when your liberty stuck you know when your liberty's stuck and you've got the full weight you've got the full weight of the establishment on your back you know they're doing anything to get old of you you know that's a different ball game because I never had a good time when I was in prison when I say a good time was in prison I was still heavily being looked into with the police when I was in prison you know I was still under constant investigation for the fault full duration and as soon as I stepped out the gate it continued so I never done a easy where I could just sit down and do a do me jail I was constantly being looked at did you get told you were doing a 10 stretch before yeah they said if it goes wrong you're gonna get this is the kind of jail you get double figures class B it's heavy but again you can look at it it's a shit you get away with and don't get caught with where you can get fucking bigger as well do you know what I mean you know I've got no complaints you know looking back at it I've got no complaints at all you know I deserved it and I got it so that's it I don't blame anybody for it you know it's my own doing yeah what jail were you on Peter I went straight to full something which is a dispersal it's a yeah it's a big it's a big jail I think it was a couple of thousand and I went straight there as soon as I got sentenced the day I got sentenced I was like straight straight up the motorway it's near York cat a double cat a yeah that's fucking terrorists and yeah yeah yeah already mad bastards like did you feel that you'd been through under a bus a bit or were you thinking listen you live by you kind of have to deal with that I remember when I was only man Jesus Christ I was like there was all like the guns the harm response helicopters you know everything above you know it was like short after city off to take me to the court you know to take me a mile down the road you know I got in a van one day and he takes me at the block because I was in the block I wasn't even on the wings yeah I was in the block and if you're like you are fucking treated like Hannibal Lecter you know and a fucking banana suit you know so yeah well I guess most in this van I'm double shackled yeah and I think there's got to be a minimum the six maybe eight eight prison officers there and it gets in the van and one fella and this might come over I was in strange ways and I'm waiting to be took to court and he says you know permission to move and I can hear the helicopter above you know an army's bombs outside they've got all the earpieces in this fella the driver I never forget and I seen him later on and I said you what a weak cunt you are yeah and I said and he went oh I said don't be like that I said I am like that I said you want to grow a pair of bolts yeah he just I remember that he just agitated life for me I'm sat there I'm shackled like Hannibal Lecter in this van I've got big police got big prison guards yeah like as high as this house yeah big lump big units yeah what are you gonna do he says not permission to move yeah uh and it go all this code yeah what's the reason I haven't got me bulletproof vest on so I'm listening to this I'm in the van I said you ain't got your bulletproof vest on I said what do you need a bulletproof vest I said you fucking prick start the van and get it out there yeah he's like and the other one was saying to me no no no I said I'll say what I want I said that's all I can say I said look like I could do anything here I said what do you want I said uh you know and he's ignoring me you know permission to move and all that there's half an hour for him to go and get a jacket on so as he could go out there prison gates you know it was overkill it was definitely totally overkill what it was but then I got um during the trial I had I was in strange ways in a block and he used to take me to the crown and they had this I was in this dock one where they all the bulletproof glass and stuff you know so uh yeah it was heavy as it gets and then I went uh like I say on sentence day I got stuck straight up to help the motorway I'm response again or straight up the m62 straight to uh York what's the worst memory in prison uh worst memory in prison uh losing your family I think you know being away from your family and uh you know and and stuff like this I think that's uh they're the main memories I've got freedoms one thing you know and captivity and oh listen you've got to get used to it because you'd never be you've never been in any environments before and you're not in an environment where you're mixing with people you know you're in solitary confinement there you know I've got a I've got a concrete bed I've got a a plus I've got a I've got a chair made out of cardboard and that's it I just there's nothing else so it's uh you've you've got to adapt you got to get used to it do you think you lost yourself or do you think you find yourself you find yourself because a lot of people in prison know yourself put a lot of them are weak a lot of them turn to the drugs and they're they come out they're fucked a lot of people do it's not I wouldn't say a lot but some people find themselves with being with their own voices and with their own space and they go okay wait a minute like what the fuck have I done here like what way did you go in there did you think feel as if you had to keep up that persona and keep doing what you're doing and do you realize okay wait a minute I've fucked up to be honest we never had a persona you know I was what I was so I never had a persona to really to live up to or do anything I was always a realist I was you know and when I went in there there was no layers to peel off you know I was I was the same in there as what I was on the street to be honest you know it didn't mean it meant a lot to me but like I said the only thing I miss was the the family you know the phone calls and and you know more so than anything it's what I put them through as well you know the phone calls and the crying on the end of the phone and stuff you know and the and the hassle and the no help they had outside and you feel helpless talk to your family and you know what you've put your family through which you live and die for you put them through hell and back so I did I've got to tell you I struggled with that it was on my mind how did that affect you mentally it's going to affect you you know because you're worrying about them you know when you're took away from your family and your family struggling outside and they've got no help because my family never had any help when I was inside you know so you're thinking to yourself I might not even get to the phone for two or three days you know I don't know how they are what they're doing so that was a struggle for me that wasn't really myself I've never been like a selfish person did the jail really bother me yeah and bother the jail's hell but no it never I'm being honest with you you know even a solitary confinement I could sit there look at the wall you know used to do the training in the cell and stuff not trying to act like Rambo you know but that's that's just the way that's just the way as I remember it back then your co-accused that he not got off of the deal when he didn't take it he got off of the deal he didn't take it and he got did you find out about that beforehand I told me were you oh that's good because I know a lot of people turn queens because I said and they were you was that a bit of concern for you or did you know he was 100 no 100% yeah yeah but um now he never I think he he got offered to walk out of it you know if he had done the damage you know but he never and he you know the judge for not doing that give him a 10 I'm laughing it's shit but fair fucking play because he can no matter what he does in life he can walk about his head to a while listen he can't buy that no he can't and the thing is as well for me it was a good thing because when we was in full Sutton he came there and my god he could do some good stews so we ended up being the chef for the next two years whatever it was you know so you know it was uh and it was hard times but that's that's what I really remember about it so even when you're getting out what's the plans then Peter like was it just straight back into business or just trying to keep out of trouble but you know you're still getting surveillance so was it the jibber thing you were walking out the gates and you were getting another charge I you know it was uh how can I say one half of me thought you know about me family and I think rational and then and then another half of me be unrational and think you know look at his jail I've done they think they've got the better of me well they haven't so one half was like that and one half was like that so I was a little bit all over the place trying to beat them but you know yourself they always won always win they always win and let me tell you it's stupid stupid attitude you know the mental mistakes I've done is like unbelievable you know talk about being an idiot really you know so and I don't need to do anything anyway I've always been able to get me living it's just like uh I don't know maybe uh maybe I've got the worst mental green in the family or something I don't know what it is so you step down that route you know you meet people as well and uh you just go on from there don't you what did you do Nicky um I'd done a little bit when I was on I think I was on license for uh 14 months whatever it was on the probation I had to go to the probation office every week and then when that happened um when I got out I went abroad Spain yeah we'll live there how was it there it was all right it was uh spent a few years out there happy times bad times it was all of same shit really it's mad bastards everywhere if not probably more so for it is yeah it is yeah I find on me I tell you because I watched your interview with the kid I think he's been a good friend of yours in the boxing yes he looks a good guy man and you seem to have yeah he's a good palomar yeah so and you were saying that you drew pie your friend's house and you walked in there was fucking guards with guns and he was sitting tied up you know people you know it's hard it's hard for people to think you know has this really happened or has this fella a good storyteller and I got a text after that interview from a from one of his good friends you know and he's in is in Dubai and he said yeah and he knew obviously people that know me know you know and obviously what happened to the fella he knows and he said this and he said he never forgets what you've done for him there seriously his life 100% now he was going there was all they had all they had plastic on the floor in the back of this ML Jeep you know it was all plasticed out you know he was going even the people upstairs you know the two people you know there was gag bound and gag laid on the bed stretching out you know I thought fucking awful what is this you know it was like I don't know what there was Thai people or whatever it was definitely tied but you know fortunately it all got diffused do you ever think you were going to get one in a nut never thought like that to be honest with you that's another thing really it's uh I've always been uh how can you say when I was younger I'd be weary on stuff well when I was faced with a dire straight problem and a life and death problem I seemed to be able to like deal with it do you know what I mean like I think I'd be real with it what can happen but I I could deal with it do you think that's a higher power protection kind of guidance maybe parents maybe I don't know it could be I don't know but um certainly wouldn't I'd never want to be in them positions ever again you know so it's not something to be in but it's uh I see people you know there's a lot of hollow people out there there's a lot of people that brag and bounce and they can do this and they can do that but you know you don't know what you can do until you until you really test it you know another thing so I can see I think prison lands you with a lot of stuff with James as well you know you see you know when I look back and you are your public enemy number one and this you can feel it as well you know all around you know that you can't really talk to people you can't trust people because they're all up to no good you know the the authorities has got their hands in so many things and so many people as well so it's uh yeah it's not good so yeah I've done hard prison I can't say I've never done hard prison I've never seen a cat D I've never seen a cat B I got released on cat A was an Alsatian dog up my arse you know so I was let out uh I got that out of Franklin that's where I finished off so the main jails are done when I was sentenced I don't uh I don't full certain six months on the cat A-wing in strange ways and I finished off in Franklin prison what's the worst night you've been in uh on remand armly I was in the block fucking horrible shit oh yeah you know it's an old dungeon you know you know you'd be in the in the cell and I never forget it they had like a like a red bulb you know and that red bulb would come on it was dark when it was daylight and in the morning he used to he had a little bed with feet on it like that and you had to put your bed outside and believe me it went when they opened the door and you see the daylight it was like a public toilet you know there was shit on toilet paper stuck on the wall and all that you know it was an absolute dive and you know there was you could just see the the arch because you the ground level was up it was like the cells was below and you'd look and use that the ground level and all the shite they'd throw out the windows you know it was uh yeah it was that was the worst I think that's that's got to be the worst for cleanliness it was like a proper shit all and you know there's all cockroaches in the every time I woke up in the morning I'd do that with his shoes and you see us a spray of black insects all over the floor you know because it was like an old dungeon type of place so that's uh that was on good there and you know and Liverpool you know I'd done the block in Liverpool I spent four months in the block in Liverpool and I got quite into uh yeah I got I got into a few skirmishes there although I was 24 bang up you know there was uh I still got into a few bits of skirmishes not many but some of did yeah. Scousers are mad bastards aren't they? They're some type of bastards man I love my scousers they're just mad every fucking scouser I know just mad bastards like so see me you come out there because I know we talk about being guided there's some protecting you because you've had a few hits out in your life as well as it guns jammed and shit where you could have been fucking off the car straight away? Definitely you know one wasn't involved in crime at all you know I was only young uh where you know I got went a bit deaf and um and that was just that was just a neighbor you know that was someone like was mad you know so I was that I was lucky there to be honest with you because uh if hadn't pushed the gun up it went up I knew he was gonna do it but I was jammed because my feet was behind uh I was reversing the car out for me old man actually and I was uh and obviously he's a lot shorter than me so as I went to put the seat back I seen him coming round you know and I just opened the door and as I got one leg out he already had the gun there so as he put the gun there I just put my head down straight away just natural instinct anyway but it went off you know so I was lucky how do you think you're still here today Peter? I think uh maybe I have no idea I have no idea but I've been I was lucky or maybe the Blessed Lord had another plan for me you know and I found my faith later on in life as well um it was always brought up with faith anyway but I definitely didn't practice it you know you couldn't say there was no christian in me I wasn't I wasn't a good person when I was younger so seeing you came out then and straight back to business then just if you kind of try and provide for the family that was a more pressure on you over in spain or did you find that a little pressure of you were being in a different country? I felt a little bit more relaxed with it with with as far as the police goes you know because that's the reason why I went anyway because I was getting I was getting hassled you know I was um I was driving down the road one and I think uh I was in uh Windermere because that's where I come out to when my mrs was because she moved up there and I remember this police pulling me over in uh in the evening and he says uh you got this wrong with a car you got that wrong with a car you know this and that and I said what's your fucking problem that's nothing wrong with the car I said it's a new car and he just typical typical local bobby really he said to me when we don't want your diabetes he says not at all and when I was at the house they'd be patrolling up and down the house outside I'd look for the window and they'd be pooping up and down yet and I just said to the mrs look you know let's get going and he didn't help because I was coming back at five o'clock in the morning one day and I must have fell asleep and the you know dual carriageway on the way to Windermere it's like a dual carriageway the grass verge in the middle yeah I went straight over it yeah the help only happens to be in a state Volvo police car the other side of the road I woke up and I just about seen him so the car done a figure eight it went over his side and I pulled it back over that side anyway the guy when I went there was like debris all over the road road markings road signs whatever all the windows went through in the car or whatever so I get out the car and I it's like five in the morning there's no there's nobody there so I'm kicking all the stuff off the road yeah anyway I goes over to the police car and he's literally he's got his hands on a steering wheel and this guy's crying he's not getting out the car yet so I said mate I said are you all right but there's no response out of him yeah he's just like in the car I don't know if he's going to die or something because cars could airtling at him at a hundred mile an hour anyway so obviously the car wouldn't move the car smashed the pieces so more police come and uh yeah so that you know that wasn't that that wasn't a good advertisement so I wasn't too popular with the police there when did you come back I came back um the end of 2004 something like that and you end up in the jail again yeah yeah four stretch yeah but I was facing multiple charges I had a I fought a case uh I fought cases for two year and um yeah I had a I come out listen forget the two year the two year was a massive result did you not work your own case or something but did you not I don't know quite a lot I don't quite a lot of it yeah um but I had help as well I had a good legal team around me and they all done bits and pieces um but the main the main the main fella that uh eventually got me out was um was a lawyer and he was like yeah he was like a fellow from the street he didn't give a fuck he had nothing to lose he was struck off you know he had the worst name ever yeah right and he just clicked with me and it was me and him you know when we went at it you know but he was a good man and really I owe him my life as well to this day and I'm friends with him to this day you know so he was a good man and he helped me and uh so that was nick green that's what his name is nick green he uh he really helped me and um who else uh and then I got uh and then when I when I got out of the criminal proceedings then uh middle week Shaheed Chowdhury of Manchester they really helped me as well so um yeah and then all people helped me Feder Hussein you know all these type of people helped me good people you know they uh they all played a part in doing what they could for me really but yeah we was uh I was in there kate again and I was looking multiple charges you know if I'd have went if it went wrong I was I was getting 30 plus years so so that's the way it is but that's what I mean you know uh and I was told there's nothing that anybody could do you know I had the best of London lawyers I had a land O'Pownall he done me a he done me a dismissal case and he come downstairs and it's a funny this and he's uh he's probably one of the high most ranking QCs in the country though well respected top fella he done he done a good job for me he didn't work but he did a good job for me and he was uh anyway even the judge was bowing down to this fella you know when he went in the dock you know this fella was like cost a lot of money for two hours you know uh and they you know the judge was like you know honored to have you in my court and all this you know and then but then the judge said uh because really a land O'Pownall was that good the judge he made the judge have him to comment and the judge said certain things so I went back down the stairs and I never forget it so I'm in this thing this little holding thing he's come down to see me so he takes his wig off and he puts it on his knee and he went you know what he says he says they want you he said very very badly he says it's on another level yeah and I said yeah he said and he said listen I'm being honest with you Peter he says you've got it all to do he said these want you he said at all cost he says he says I can do what I can he says but you've seen there what the situation is you've seen what he's had to say I said yeah I have he says uh anyway he's having a bit of a chat and I said to him I said uh let me ask you this I said you know that judge I said I said obviously I said he's giving me a proper addressing down I said there in that in that doc you see like you know you do realize we haven't got a normal defendant in the doc you know spent millions you know this is uh you know this is a this is a high rank in criminal whatever he's saying I can't remember exact words because on the basis they've got these posh words he's he's judges yeah so I said to him I said I said these judges I said they should be impartial isn't they I said he's a judge what does the judge do I said he sits on the fence neither one way the other well I said how is he impartial I said saying to you the type of man I am in the doc so what has he read I said he knows exactly who I am and he said to me oh Peter he said you know all judges know who you are he said you know you're not strangers to the circuit he said they all know you here he said you've only got to pick up the papers I said that might be so I said but I said um he said things in that court I said where I was never going to get bail I said because he's the one giving me bail anyway he went do you know what he says he says this is what he said to me as Lando he says you are a fucking genius I said get up there and tell that motherfucker I said to recuse yourself off this case I said that's what you can do I said that's what I'm he said are you sure you want to do that I said I'm telling you get up there and get him told he gets up there yeah that was it took yourself off the case you had to do you had to do so then I've got then then there's no judge sort of uh they give him me another one and then they put it back to the recorder of Manchester the head judge in Manchester it was the recorder of Manchester and then you know I think by then Nick Green come in yes he did that's when I got Nick Green and then the recorder of Manchester looked at it because I said I said look basically I said I can't get a fair trial that's no it's impossible I said all these judges I said they just see me as one thing I said it's not this is I'm being railroaded so obviously you know the recorder of Manchester looked at the papers and just actually flung them in the air I was on video link he's a great great person and he's got he's got papers like that and they're reading it and then it's uh me barista yeah it was a very good barrister as well but another wild card so I've got a lawyer who struck off who doesn't give a fuck about anything yeah and then I've got a barrister who's just a complete lunatic but a genius who'd probably gone snort a line in the toilets have all white powder on his nose and be addressed in the judge that's what I've got and defending me because listen I needed these types of people that's not bothered about public school that ain't bothered about the repercussions that's not trying to kiss ass and go up the ladder they could speak your language speak my language I'm going to say as it is the easier the type of people I had so these are the you know I found this little niche here you know it's but all you know what you're thinking when you're going a possibility getting a fatty shoved up your ass like what's going through your mind then that's everything destroyed basically could die in prison because a man of your caliber as well that with a reputation that you had possibly could you've ever get out if you got a fatty you could have possibly died in there like how what's going through your mind when there is a possibility of losing your life in prison and leaving everything that you've worked for behind well yeah I that's what I mean I've been there when it's been happening to me and you know it's not an exaggeration you know ask every lawyer in Manchester ask every lawyer up and down the country barristers up and down the country I've had them all yeah tell you the same thing you know I mean life's been on the line quite a few times and it's uh and I'm not the only one you know of other people I know is at the same at the same kind of issues but you know you you you do think you do think but I never thought of the things that you're thinking about I wasn't bothered about the what could happen in the prison or whatever I can handle myself and if anybody had a problem with me you know I could deal with that that didn't bother me the um it was just loss of freedom but you know what I've done in the end I'll be honest with you I found a blessed lord I had a fellow in there he used to talk to me about the bible he used to talk about the Koran you know it's called Bar Bahamid he was being extradited to America he'd done a good few years in uh you know when he was uh he was looked at like the plague he was looked at he was charged under terrorism charges and all that I mean him became good friends in there and you know and he's and he just said to you know and this is where you can get good positivity from other people and this guy wasn't uh he was no criminal or or anything you know he was uh had a good bringing up he did and he was saying to me he said look he said you can fight as much as you want he said put your face in the blessed lord he said whatever it's gonna happen it's gonna happen and in the end that's exactly what it did so I resigned myself to doing it because all me barristers told me I wasn't gonna get off you know if you stand trial you that's it you know so you know and thankfully you know we worked out and I eventually I got out after doing just around two years what was the plan then when you came out because a man who's led the life that you lived that being in and out of prison like it's no secret it's out there but how does a man then have that lifestyle to then be one of the most respected trainers in the world that you've trained some of the best fighters in the world male and female one world titles that how the fuck does that happen like that that switch of being a criminal to then being training people to be the best fighters on the planet and some would argue some of the greatest ever like like I say for Tyson to Savannah like it's unbelievable the fuck does it you make that transition from the blessed lord it ain't me you know look I think if you if you if you're good with people you know and you're you're a good-hearted person you know that it'll chime through in the end you just got to set your soul and realize the type of person you are and also you know and stop competitions with people young people always want to be competition with the other one do want to be the best you know but look you know we're all people at the end of the day and they should get to know people but peace and the blessed lord saved me life really and I you know and I just pass on to the to the fighters and I do me best for them because it's about it's about giving back as well you know it's not about being it's not it's not about you it's about doing your best for the fighter so I channel it that way as well so it does it has helped in a big way because you're out of prison now you're you're doing great things that was boxing obviously you get your misses and that with your kids but was boxing the one thing that probably kept you sane and kept you out of trouble do you think definitely I think it has because the boxing was full-time and it gave me time as well to step back and have a look at the type of people and uh and see where it is and you know it made me realize as well that uh you know even when I had money you know I didn't enjoy it what am I doing and you know I looked around at me family and everything and I thought to myself what's it all about a lot of stupidness so that was it and I'd never look back and now cry him to me look if there was a million quid around the corner I'd instead of turning left I turned right I'm not interested in any of it you know just totally different mindsets all together I'm not into crying period no crime whatsoever how do you then become a world-class trainer like what's the steps then to progress to be training world-class fighters that was always in your blood you always had that DNA or was it something you've learned both the mistakes that you've made might be the mistakes I've made and uh you know and training the fighters and just doing the best and being committed and passionate with it you know and I think if you if you if you're passionate with something and you really you really enjoy what you're doing then anybody can do anything so I wouldn't say I don't class myself as being any like special trainer if you know something you know something so it's always been boxing to me has always been there it's always been like second nature I've grew up in boxing so it's always been there I've not I've not looked at any other body else I don't look what they do I've always done my own thing with the fighters because Tyson's always says he would never be in boxing if it wasn't for you and then when you took him as at Germany in Klitschko and probably one of the biggest nights in British boxing history like Klitschko was champion for what 10 years undefeated and he's got the victory like what was the plans to go through that and to get that victory underdog it was amazing back then you know all as I remember it was a was a lovely young fella you know and listen if it would have meant giving our lives for him to win that fight we'd have done it you know so that's that's my memories of it all good memories back then you know how was that winning a world title and being part of that from the man the life that you live to then being clean living and standing on stage with standing on the ring with the world titles and and beating possibly some saying that he could never be beaten especially in his own backyard you know it's funny this James yeah but I didn't I didn't look at any of it like that I gotta tell you I've always been in when you've been in like circumstances I've been in and you've seen things what I've seen and stuff like that you know it was more or less for him you know looking back at it you know I was more related for what he'd done you know for like winning them belts and stuff like that you know for me he didn't he didn't resonate being a winning the belts hall whatever you know that's the way I looked at it it was all about for him winning the belts you know that was uh that was me mean that was me mean drive it's like when my own family know what I'm doing here you know with the boxers that I've got you know it's all about getting them to where they need to be so I never really looked at it as a massive achievement for myself really because uh it was just making sure at all cost that he uh he got down he got that win yeah it's mad like it's such a massive achievement especially listening to your life and to what you're achieving now and what you're doing with fighters and the thing about you Peter you've not got you're not let have the other fucking trainers get boxers all around the place you seem to have a close knit community where you're doing it for the passion and love you don't need the money so that's what it shows you that because we know how the fucking corruption it goes in this fucking game man it's I look at the decisions and you know there has been to fuck that's be honest you know that everybody's in everybody's pocket so uh unless you can more or less knock fighters out sooner or later you're going to come on stock how is it having a son that's a box on training is that difficult how do you kind of separate from being a father and a trainer or is it kind of the same plan every time I think the difference with being a like a father and a son you can tell you can tell the son exactly where it's at but I do that with all the fighters anyway you know tell them where they've gone wrong and what they need to do and uh it's all to them to work on it but ultimately it's uh they've got the reins you can only guide the fighter and tell them where they're going wrong and train them but they've got a really you can tell a fighter what to do but they've got a they've got to take that knowledge and adapt it for themselves and wake it out you know you impart advice but being a trainer is uh is getting them to understand what they're doing what's the next day it's for a few he's had a few months off now that what's his plans he's still young what is he 29 he's 28 fucking young and for how many pro fights has he had 29 why so many fights at a young age you're seeing boxers now in their 30s that have still not had 20 fights like he's had a lot of fights and if his defeats are still solid names parker um who's it pull off king it's his name Povetkin Pulev yeah Pulev like how is it from a father when if your son loses how do you then like we spoke earlier separate from father and trainer like is there a we'll get it next time or is it straight back to business where you've kind of got to be tough not really you know it's just a really thing you know these are mistakes you've made and this is where we are you know but uh you grow from your mistakes and you learn and now he's he is now he's 28 the season professional now so I'm looking forward to him uh getting back and um let's see where he goes Savannah Marshall like lover about such a a gem and kindhearted person like unbelievable what she's achieved for especially for women's boxing like the biggest fighting history and women's boxing against Clarissa who's a listen you've got to be honest as a fucking phenomenal fighter for me she was unbelievable on the night Clarissa definitely I expected Savannah to win but it's just the way it is as you know yourself boxing what's that way is that what made you then take a chance with the female kind of side of boxing just by chance I didn't I didn't have a clue about female boxing I definitely did not but uh she came in the gym lovely young girl lovely personality you know uh open to learn come and asking me different things um and we just got on we got on and that's it Savannah knows there's no agendas with me you know what she sees is what she gets you know she knows I'm in a corner and she can uh ultimately she knows 100 she can trust me with things and that's the thing there's no there's no school degree there's no deals getting done there's no slowness you know she knows 100% that it's uh that we're in her interest how is that to train a female fighter tell me oh fatal is that any difference or is that is it different strategies you need there is a different share because you know they need what I will say about female fighters they need to speak and they need to talk to you you know and that's a good thing with Savannah because you know she'll pull me to one side and she'll tell me things and she'll speak to me so I can I can work with it because you can only read you can only read a fighter in the gym what's going on because I think boxing is a hundred percent mental you know there's a lot of things to uh to weigh up and adjust as you're going through what makes a good boxer peter what makes a good boxer a good I tell you what makes a world-level boxer is that somebody who can adapt to what you're telling them when they're when the shits at the fan we can all do good things when uh you're in control but what happens when it when things get thrown on your toes the same as in life what happens when things are going wrong can you deal with it I see people in everyday life and you know they talk a good talk on the phone and this and that the other I have people say things to me on a telephone that I I'd never dare say because that could be picked up and I could have fucking police at me door you know things that I wouldn't dare to say but they'll say it because they've never got wet you know so it's just same in life in general you know but uh it's a fighter getting back to the fight with how they can deal with pressure because they've got to be world-level fighters no matter what pressure comes it's like running water down a stream it's freely flowing down the stream there's no breaks it doesn't speed up it doesn't do anything it flows you've got to flow no matter what happens do you get nervous walking your feet isn't there ring I don't I wouldn't say nervous but at the end of the day for me it's uh I wouldn't say it's a an enjoyable experience you know because I'm I'm concerned for that fighter you know you want them to do well you know so is it enjoyable not really I don't enjoy it because you know it's not it's not a business for me you know I want that fighter to really do well yeah and do the best they can so obviously there's pressure there you know I can control any kind of pressure don't get me wrong but to say I sit back and enjoy it as a fan you know I'm not a fan I'm involved in it so I don't actually enjoy it while it's happening I enjoyed at the end or looking back yeah if it's because Savannah she says it and obviously looks up to you like a father figure that is there a big difference between a male losing and the female losing like is there got to be some sort of different like nourishment or kind of protection for them after a loss is it just you just need to fucking get on with it learn from the mistakes yeah I think where the difference between women and men is there's a lot more there's more emotions with with women boxes you know but um you know but the strong as well you know they've got that's why women and women were different you know so no it's not the same as men the different because it's a woman isn't it it was a man so there's different things there's different they've got different attributes there's different everything so there's different mentality how are you feeling when the Clarissa Shields fail it massive fail everybody was talking about that like because it was back and forth with them for ages Clarissa's only she's only been defeated by one person that was Savannah and the amateurs like how was that run up to that fight and going through everything for yourself like mega fight like how was the feeling for you I've been there before so it uh it's just normal normal because like obviously I was rooting for Savannah but Clarissa was fucking outstanding that night as well like two tough bastards just fucking having a tear up like is there going to be a rematch with that soon yeah I thought it was a tremendous fight and you're right you know close and he's all the credit in the world you know it's for the performance you put on but yeah they're gonna fight again should Savannah be successful in this fight for all the belts July the first she's fighting to unify all the belts that's super middleweight then hopefully following that fight they can get it on again because nobody sees the struggle the female side have to have to go through like Savannah's been fighting from fucking I think it was 12 or such a young age and everything that she's been training for all these fucking years and hopefully obviously she's starting to see the good side and hopefully making a bit of money but is it tough for professionals if they're not at that level to survive it is it's hard for fighters now because there's a lot of fighters and not enough platforms to put them on so it's hard for unless the real quality fighters it's hard for them to get fights so you know that's why a lot of these small hall promoters need maximum credit to keep these fighters busy how many fighters are you training just now Peter I think probably a total of about five or six max and two of them's family so I think I've got Savannah April uh young heavyweight from uh northeast I'll say because I could get the wrong from the northeast will how he's called that's three and three four five yeah five five there's five or six fighters how does someday end up in your camp is it just by chance or do you ever look out for a fighter no I don't look out for anybody to be honest and I'm happy if I never had another fight to walk through me door just by chance you know if you know what nice this works for me if the nice people you know then they've got they've got some talent and they want to do something with a life then that's it and will how's only come on board because we used him as a sparring partner and he come over and he was a very very nice young kid so it's like you know yeah again you know all as all I'm doing there is because I want to just be nice to the fella help him along his career and if I can do that and be an input in his life and get him on the right path it's a good thing if you've got your brother's kid as well I've got my brother's grandson yeah I've got him so I'm dealing with him at the minute he's been with me for four years he was 14 and it's coming up four years now he's doing well he won the national championships so he's uh he's coming through he's 17 now and he'll be 18 soon yeah so he's coming up four years and yeah I've got him so yeah he's uh he's doing he's doing well see if I ever for all the corruption and shitting box and like how hard is it for you to try and protect your boxers I've got a very good fella in McEnesy uh I trust him with the boxers because I know he's a very very straight man you know he's uh he's all for the fighters you know he's a he's a very humble you know simple man meaning simple as in fact uh you know he's a family man you know he's always you know he works from home he's with his family 24-7 and he's uh and he's very very knowledgeable in boxing as well so I'll let him uh he deals with all of the he deals with all the uh more or less all the business side he deals with the match matchmaking of the fighters getting the fighters on so he takes a lot of a lot of weight off me what makes a good man a european what makes a good man to me is a man that loves his family that's very what you see is what you get down to earth people and you know you know good good people that you could uh trustable people that's got got some moral value how did you make the changes Peter like because I know a lot of people watch and are kind of in a rut and they kind of just don't know what the fuck is going on like look what what kind of makes the changes to make you a better man and make you see the world differently like what was your thing to then I know you talk about Christ and but you've still got to have some sort of wall power you've still sort of got to have some sort of fucking grip to okay I need to make changes here look whether you think it is step away from your circles um you know go for long walks by yourself or whatever spend time by yourself have a look and see where you're going you know do you want to chase a line all your life or do you want to be something because chasing a line all your life you're never going to be anything yeah you know and you know we've all we've all done things in the past you know it's not never too late to change can somebody who's held bent on drugs change course they can if you've got that mental world power you can change are you stigmatized by it no I don't care what people do yeah because people make mistakes and nobody made any more mistakes than I've made and I've taken my life around and people can turn tears around but it's all a waste of time you know it depends where you come from like poor areas or whatever it's all the people you know what they're into you know you get into it yourself you know it's all no good it ends it it lends in disaster you know everybody's got a chance here and if they pull themselves out and say oh you know you've always got the doubters having you will look let's just say I don't do this and I stop everything you know where am I going well clean yourself up you know go back to fucking school or something learn something learn a trade if you can't do anything and you're thick can't learn something isn't it they're available it's out there start wherever you're going to start there's an opportunity to you know pick up the papers you know there might be a job vacancy you know you might be doing a wheelbarrow delivering bricks doing a laboring job there's always something but from that laboring job it put you on the right path yeah being a navi or whatever you want to be yeah and if you and I never look see where that's going to take you from there open your eyes as opportunities there it ain't just about being you know a tough guy being a criminal you know tech drugs do this do that you know because it's it's all ending nowhere it's difficult now because a lot of people seem to be more struggling that what do you think of the society we're in now Peter how do you see it I think what I what I see on the social media is what I see you know is there's like a lot of people's lost respect with everything you know anything goes today and that's what I see where the problems are lack of self-respect there's a lot of it yeah because me and you are quite outspoken onto it it's not to be controversial but we've got to we've got family we've got kids and especially listen I talk about the transgender thing and I ain't I like I'm gonna be clear I've not got a fucking problem anybody that wants to be transgender I've had transgenders on the podcast we're still friends today mad as a box of frogs but they don't phone me up to say look James can I read stories to your kids they're not taking a piss next to my fucking daughter like they're all right people it's not everybody but when you see people in the fucking main mainstream media and they're putting on dresses and walking in women's changing rooms and walking in women's toilets reading stories to kids like leave the fucking kids alone like there's so much madness that's been trying to get normalized now it fucking pisses me off man I think you bit it on the nail you know do what you want to do in your private life but you know and if you are that way then you're that way you know if you if you mentally tune that way then that's that's what you are but don't try and ram it down all the people's necks that's not and expect all the people to accept it because I don't accept none of that bullshit I'll tell you now I don't like it that's against my beliefs anyway so none of it's for me I don't certainly like it to show in the child that you know a man with the fucking big airy chest talking to a child half naked in a fucking bumblebee say what is that it's freaking nature fucking look at that with my child yeah you know I even send me daughter I've got me daughter here with the grandkids and stuff I said go to that school I didn't tell them straight I said and if there's an issue with it pull them out I'd rather them pull out and have no education and have that because I don't want them growing up like that yeah so it was classes I meant onus for four or five years ago I think it is a mental illness that's what I see and if people are fuel trapped in another body listen it possibly could be but if you're cutting off your dick cutting off your tits that's mutilation for what like there's no and if you make sure you feel better but the things I'm saying the video as I'm saying it's just not right they're trying to normalize bringing the consent of sex down they're trying to normalize fucking people reading drag queens reading stories to kids in schools they're trying to normalize sex education and kids in primary schools that it's fucking weird like it's weird the people on higher powers I don't know if they control the narrative but it's just not right with me and I'll continue it I don't give a fuck if I get cancelled I don't care if I lose followers or subscribers I genuinely don't give a fuck I've got kids I love my family I mean I don't always get it wrong I've had a fucked up past myself I've been through a lot of pain and misery and I've caused a lot of destruction lot of structures destructions happen to my family I'm trying to learn from it but the things I see now I just don't want my kids maybe it's an overprotective father but I would rather be that than try and brainwash my kids into something that just ain't fucking right and it ain't right where can you make that right I see a lot of these do-goers and stuff it ain't right to me and I don't care if I'm ostracized I don't care about anything yeah listen it ain't right it's an it's an abomination that's what I look at what's your daily routine like Peter because obviously there's shit that you've been through and amazing things that you're doing now and because you've lost loved ones yourself you've lost your brother you've lost your parents that how do you handle your day make sure they go on and how do you push through it no matter what you do you know you push through we've all got our issues and you just carry on and you just got to go through life you know every day you know I look forward to the weekends and having a bit of peace yeah so that's it for me you know you work you push on and try not to think too much and get on with the job yeah that's what you can all you can do listen we're all the same what would you do if you're done nothing you want to look at the wall and get bored of everything so you just got to carry on there's mouths to feed you know you're responsible to people and you just got to put your best foot forward and do your best you know it's not nobody's Einstein we all bleed the same so and ultimately we've all got thoughts and you think you know what's the point of it all did your mum and dad see you when you were doing the training did they see you won the world titles if they did they see that side of Peter me mother did yeah that's a beautiful thing though innit yeah me mother's only been gone a few years yeah sorry to hear that yeah yeah I lost my dad but he's seen me I just got out of jail and he fucking died he's seen me my worst man he says don't you need to get your shit together in my mind I thought fuck this I've been all father probably to say you know I'm laughing because I know how he went worrying about his son that ain't going to happen with my family like I'm doing everything of my power to try and stay on the path of that no matter what I'm doing like I'm nowhere near the levels I'm going to get to but that still plays if I'm happy that plays a part in my mind sometimes I think shit man like I must have broke his fucking heart all it does you know the stress you can put on other people through your own actions again when you're young you don't realize but it's being selfish you know you know live every day for the people that you care about and you know and do your best for them you know make you know it's nice to be there's nothing more than being nice with people and having good conversations like like me and you here you know you can have an open conversation because you're talking to decent people you know and that's the key what are we by ourselves anyway you fuck all nothing nothing you know a lot of people they put on personas and you know there's no need for it because sensible people can see through all that bullshit anyway you know and you know you've got some people who are genuinely just clowns you know just that's their makeup so you just pack them up don't you give bad energy so you just leave them alone you know the world's not perfect but you know you can find good people it's rare what's the most valuable lesson you've learned Peter after your years of experience so many so many James you know good people if you can find good people you know stick with them because there's a lot of smoke and mirrors out there and all we've touched on before but how important is it to have a strong woman by your side who's never left you you could have been in the jail and they've disappeared and it's understandable that they've got every reason to leave but how important is it to have a strong woman by your side who's willing to fight your corner who's willing to put up with the pain and never crumble never break but you know listen they're blessed aren't they you know they're gifted with something and you might have something yourself because you know to stand with you like that who does that i've never had anybody do that in my life you know you know talk about you know the loyalty and this is where it comes down to that that love in the heart for you you know you you can't buy that this priceless that's the most valuable thing human nature can possibly have and that comes for me that comes just it's a divine it's a divine power and that's what we've got ultimately when you peel it all away we've only got the love for each other that's it and when you've got that and somebody will walk through walls and die for you and you know and live every day of the census with you that's a special person and they they deserve your life for them who's the greatest fight have you ever seen peter you know i love Muhammad Ali when was a young fellow growing up there's loads of good fighters you know larry ohms uh leonix louis even recent holyfield mike thyson the ultimate is fighters you know redick bow top fighter you know sugary learners you know right back to ezzed charles you know rocky marciano you know jack johnson goes right back where do you think you're a boxy jack demsey as well all the good fighters where do you think your boxers now do you think it's more showmanship it's more they became fucking more influencers than anything like i see some boxers now and i think kind of boxing is getting took away from people just having a tear up the best fight and the best that has changed completely like i'm not and it is much to understand the ins and outs of it but i'd like to think i'm clued up on what the way i see things and the way i see things online it's what you get now it's a lot you know a lot of fighters now do you talk a lot of cringe shit because we're in a cringe society you know you look on that social media it's all cringe crap in it so it's going to work you know talk smack and the public love it it's like all this white collar shite you know well i'm looking at that these camp from they ain't got a fucking clue you know but they're super famous because they're dealing with people like themselves this is a society we're in we're in so do our favorite no i think it's a lot of bollocks how is that from somebody who's in boxing who's worked for world class fighters to seeing somebody who's got a big social media following making more money than world champion fighters anyway it's good for them you know whatever they're gonna do it's good for them they're off the street they're not to no good but having a respect of a world-level fighter no you're just a white collar fighter just a celebrity boxer you know that's all it is you know like you said they can have massive followings because i said look you talk a lot of shit and shit attracts shit isn't it as it's fucking mad but they what do you want me to say about it you know world level fighters are in the gym it's a different ball game there's different quality between a world-level fighter and a joker isn't he what do you think is stated British boxing as just now i think British boxing is uh it's it's it's doing well and um there's a lot of good fighters out there um yeah but i do uh listen i don't look at uh i don't go down social medias listen there's some good comments you see what people's gotta say some there's some good people out there you know but there's there's a lot of shite as well do you see it a positive future for boxing going forward i do yeah i think uh i think there's too many politics now there is a lot of politics and i think it needs to get back will it get back hopefully it will do yeah the boxing that i remember the days are like my princeton's even Steve Collins you bank ben and i used to remember i was sitting watching him and my dad and there was just fucking ruthless just ruthless fighting just always remember the like the the one you were involved in fury tyson germany always remember kesla kozagi josh taylor as well that undisputed the boy man like fucking unbelievable and and so many fights but i think a lot of fighters don't get the recognition they deserve as well yeah i think they do because uh fighters i think don't want to sell their ass in public seem to like you know don't get don't get that much attention like i said it's a cringy society in it like all this everything goes you know you want to shag a man tomorrow shag of whip bed the next day it's fine you know don't worry about it you know it's all this you know anything goes shit in it so if you want to be a clown you'll get you'll get plenty of clowns supporting you won't you yeah but if you want to be somebody proper who wants to say right i'm having a fight i'm going to best out there let's get it on they won't get that much recognition because that's what it is but real recognises real and hopefully real comes through that's what we can only hope for in boxing we want to see real fights real people not all this ponsy fucking carry on who do you think's the best porn for porn boxer ever of old tame there's so many uh james and me there's so many difficult one to say he's the best of all time i would say sugary lennard in the late years has got to be right up there you know because he was there something he was like super special that guy you know what a fighter he was all of the there's been so many greats doesn't you know you know mavin agler you know all of these type of fighters you know i just can't think of and but there's so many you can't you can't just single one fighter out yeah it's impossible who do you think he flied me with those career he's a gifted fighter you know who could say anything different he's uh he's been lucky on a few one or two of these fights i'm still not sure he's been looking one or two of these fights but listen who can argue what the man's done you know it's a very special special individual you know look what he done when he fought canelo he's killed him he's killed canelo and look at what canelo's done so how could you say may whether needs needs the credibility he's got because serious fella can do it inside back up exactly what he's saying do you think that's because he's flamboyant nature he doesn't get the credit because people genuinely fucking hate him because there's a show-offs kind of mentality yeah there is there there will be some of that but you know you got to take your hat off to the fella because serious serious fighter going forward through future peter what's your plans my plan is is to find peace of mind um crack on one of the fighters hopefully they'll do well and uh work hard head down on a mission yeah good stuff for anybody that's watching peter that's maybe stuck in a life or struggle or maybe don't think they can see any light like what advice would you have for them you don't know what tomorrow brings and nobody does and if you can't see your way out just stop what you're doing have a look because what you're doing isn't working and there is always a way out speak to people you know find people you can speak to there's good people out there you know if a tramp knocked on my door you know and he couldn't get food and he never had no money and the world was shut if he knocked on my door and opened it i'd feed him is it give me a few quid there's people out there it's not just me there's still a lot of good people out there today but you know there's uh so that's what i would say don't watch too much television you know just get your life look clean living is the key clean living if you can start with clean living and tidy your act up you know seek help there is help out there somewhere just sat there doing the same shit every day your life's running away and you'll go further further into a deeper depressive mode and it's very easy to fall in the wrong circles finish up that positive peter what's the one of the happiest moments of your life um what in boxing or outside of it anything anything will you look back and you go i was fucking happy then me family i'm a family man so my wife my children uh my mother and father you know when there was all everybody was everybody was around you know bruzzles was alive they're the happiest times they'll never get them times back do you think we can not appreciate those times that's what i'm saying euro i'm down here with the family and that and let's just try to live in that moment and enjoy that moment because i've been watching videos and people showing old videos of their family and their mom and dad and kids when they're and then they grow up to be 13 14 and they're 20s and it just goes in a heartbeat do you think that's what it's about is enjoying those moments because you never get them back definitely you need to enjoy your family why because they're not always going to be there yeah peter listen love you big man absolutely respect for you and thanks for bringing me into your home giving me an interview and i look forward to seeing you do in the future i love all your interviews keep up the good work james God bless you