 Okay, are we online? Good afternoon everybody, welcome to this Hangout with the MOOC Open E-Tweening. My name is Diego Rojas, you may know me from the videos of the MOOC by now. I work for the Spanish National Support Service and my main duty is to support teachers in pedagogical and issues or technical issues, how to develop a good e-tweening experience. Here we are with four of my colleagues belonging to different National Support Services quite well represented in the MOOC. So let's start by introducing ourselves. Irene, please. Hello, good afternoon everybody, I'm Irene, I'm from the Greek National Support Service, working in the Ministry of Education dealing as well as Diego with pedagogical issues. I see that you are very interactive about MOOC and I suppose some of you are already ready. Max, can you unmute you please? Yes, good evening everyone, I hope you can hear me. My name is Massimiliano Odino-Censo and I work for the Italian National Support Service for e-tweening. I am dealing mostly with online training for teachers who are approaching e-tweening platform and also on the evaluation of the quality labels for e-tweening projects and some other staffs, many staffs, we are sharing responsibilities with my colleagues in Italy. And I have to thank you to be present here, to invite me to be present. As many Italian teachers are quite interested in the MOOC you are developing, you are running and so we are happy you did this for training also our teachers. My teachers are quite interested in the MOOC. Oh, something happened there. Okay, Natasha please. Hello, my name is Natasha Erguliev-Kameric, I work in the National Support Service in Serbia, which is an innovation foundation campus. I am an e-tweening officer and my main job is to write about e-tweening in Serbia and I am happy to have so many teachers interested in both in Serbia and in this event. Thank you for asking the questions. Okay, and Rita? Hi, my name is Rita and I am an English teacher. I have been involved in e-tweening since 2006 and I have been working in the National Support Service in Portugal for eight years now. Nowadays I am the e-tweening national coordinator in Portugal and this has all been a really wonderful experience to work and learn with everyone and I hope that by now I am not just one out of the box teacher in this angle. I am sure you are all out of the box teachers or else you won't be here so I hope that we all learn a lot today. Okay, thank you very much you all for accepting the invitation and being here with us. You have been told you were advised during the last few days to post your questions with the hashtag e-tween quest both on Facebook or on Twitter. We have seen some creative changes in the hashtag in the meanwhile but I think we have managed to collect most of your questions. There were one questions which I am not sure if it is related to the MOOC itself or to e-tweening in general so just in case we are going to answer in both ways. Claudia de Censor said can we make changes in the original draft in relation to some aspects of the project we are building? Then if you allow me I am going to reply in the part related to the MOOC. Yes, you can and yes you should. That's the point. We start with an idea then we present this idea to our partners and in the next two weeks we are going to not only be evaluated on made suggestions we will also see projects from and evaluate projects from other colleagues and we will get new ideas that we can implement in our own projects. The ideal thing is that the final design has little to do with the original idea. That would be perfect to let the project grow and transform as we are contacting other ideas. Now to put this into a more general e-tweening context and one of you, can we change an idea of project in e-tweening once we have started? Who wants to answer this? Maybe Arini? Yes, okay. So of course when you start a project you have some ideas, you write your ideas and you register your project. You are drafting a little bit how you are going to work there but in the meantime when you are starting working with your students and with your partners you may see that you want to change things and of course you can do that and of course you can change things and you can arrange activities in the way that they would be interesting for your students and you can even change the project plan, you can edit it after it is approved so of course you can make changes and it is good to make changes and take into account what your students like so in case you are starting a project and you have evaluation during the different parts of the project you may see that some things may need to be changed so don't be afraid to do that. One of the things that I have learned in the beginning was that e-tweening is organic so you can start very small and go really big and you can change everything it's like when you have a class in front of you sometimes we have great plans and they change everything it's the same with projects, we have also great plans sometimes they don't go as well as we wanted so we can change everything. Okay, thank you. There was another question related directly to project planning our project has not finished yet but our schools are finishing for the other day I would say for all of us but the question is, can we go on our project next term or should we finish it? Max, your turn. Yes, in the flexibility of e-tweening of course you can go back to your project even next school year so you are completely free to decide whether to close the project now or reopen it at the beginning of September with the new school year. What we suggest as a national super services is always to be careful when you decide to work on a project for more than one school year so it's always better to have a link between the project and the school year but of course you are completely free to decide if you want to confirm this rule or act as you wish it's always in the flexibility of e-tweening the teachers can decide whatever they want to do with the e-tweening project so e-tweening allows you to have a lot of tools but you can use all these tools according to your purpose. Okay, and now there is any more comments about that? Yeah, okay. Please unmute yourself. I can't unmute myself. Sorry, we can't hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah, now we can hear you. Okay, I just wanted to say because I know that you have many Greek teachers to have in mind that especially in Greece teachers change school almost every year so in case because we have some cases we have teachers who want to continue their project next year but they are in different schools or they have different students so if they want to start if they want to have a project with different students it's better to start a new one. Okay, so we are allowed to act with almost total flexibility inside e-tweening but just trying to think makes sense. Right, and we have a question also who was written and published on Twitter a couple of days ago which is quite appropriate for the newest country to join in e-tweening here in the Hangout how to make e-tweening even more popular? That's a difficult question because we are very popular so far So, Natasha, what can you say about that? It refers to how to make it more popular in the school where you work you can talk to your colleagues tell them what you do in e-tweening or tell her what your projects look like and you can tell them all about your activities in teachers' meetings show them what you do with students how you can integrate e-tweening projects into your curriculum you can make small presentations of e-tweening and that's basically what a teacher can do to make e-tweening even more popular in their school of course explain how to, in most students how to make accounts for students in a train space, etc. So, there are different things that you can do to make it more popular and to show them how e-tweening has improved your teaching Okay, any more ideas? More suggestions? How to make e-tweening more popular? If I can add something according to our experience in Italy the secret to enhance the strongness of e-tweening is to propose teachers to work on what they have to do already in their classes in their school life using e-tweening tools So, e-tweening, as I told you before is just a tool and you can use it according to what you have you must do for your profession So, if you be able to if you can be able to to link e-tweening to, for example national rules, national law, national what teachers have to do at national basis, at European basis So, this is the way to improve the success and the use of e-tweening We are experienced in Italy a new, if there are any Italian teachers now online, they of course know about that a new plan for developing the digital school developed by the ministry and what we are trying to do is to show to teachers how e-tweening is already there teachers are already working in a digital school in e-tweening So, in this way we were able to link e-tweening to something that teachers are called to do and this is quite involving for new teachers to discover the opportunities that e-tweening gives to all the teachers in Italy and in Europe in general Okay, thank you Max There is another question regarding organization in class how to organize group work by Elena, Laili72 in Twitter and she says monitoring group work in our class is easy but how can we do it when groups are made of students from different schools and cannot meet who is going to answer this Come on, any volunteer? Because for example, right now today I finished evaluating a project for a quality label and the solution they had is to have international teams of students coordinated by one teacher regardless their nationality So, we had groups of students compounded by students coming from four or five different countries and one teacher coordinating in one case they coordinated with a Spanish teacher in another case the Greek teacher or the Italian So, it was a really good way to monitor all the group work and to also advise the students and also it helped students to really break the limits of the classroom because they were in a classroom with some schoolmates with a teacher as usual except for the detail that the classroom was electronic was the twin space and not a building surrounded by walls But, any other idea to monitor group work in international teams? Ammute yourself Okay, monitor means that they want to know what they did because actually I think it has also to do with the netiquette So, this means that we have to trust our students that they can work together all together and create some content So, if they decide since the beginning the netiquette how they are going to work together and if they are separated if they are grouped in transnational groups according to their interests or according to the different activities or if they are in primary schools they can have the same activities but in transnational groups then there are different kinds of easy tools that they can use and you can see who did what For example, if they want to write a collaborative story for example they can just open a titan pad and they have different colors so you can just check and see who did what And I think that most of all is to try and show to our students how they can work together if we manage to make them understand how they can do that I don't think that monitoring in a strict sense is really important Any more ideas about that? I cannot I think that it could be also important to give responsibilities to pupils So, for example, if you are working in mixed groups for each of them one of them could be responsible for the entire group and so if you give them more responsibilities of course you can also have more feedback from them and you can control in a way what they are doing inside the group the mixed group Okay Now there is a question very specific regarding the MOOC so if I may answer it Leimer says how she asks how long does it take to get a peer assessment I'm still waiting for evaluation of week 4 and 5 Okay, week 4 started yesterday so it's really soon Week 5, even if the materials are open they are open for your convenience just to be more free to organize your time but theoretically all the tasks in week 5 should start next week so we are still on the second day of the first week and it won't take long just upload your work, your URL the link to your products in the box and you will get the evaluation and even if you don't if you have a problem, for example if you upload the link too late because you have till the very end of the MOOC to finish all the tasks if you upload the link too late and most people have already finished evaluating their colleagues from the moderation team we will do something about that so do not worry too much just try to do it the sooner the better because the sooner you upload your work the sooner will be queued so the rest of the participants can evaluate it that's all, so be patient because eventually you will get everything done and just in case if you commit a mistake if you put a wrong link just write to us using Facebook or Twitter with the hashtag to MOOC and do nothing in the meanwhile while we fix everything just do not evaluate anything because you will receive some evaluations to do even if your link is wrong but don't do that if you have committed a mistake or whatever just tell us and we will tell you what to do so let's go to the next question Maruja Romero Spanish teacher I guess because of the name asks when can start from little and go big but there is a rubric one is going to be evaluated from the draft it's also about the MOOC when you're evaluating the draft in unit 3 you have to be aware that it's only a draft to evaluate this as if it was a full project or a full idea please when using the rubric it's very important to have this in mind when you're evaluating your colleagues we cannot do we cannot write this I mean we can write it but you cannot go into your minds we cannot write a rubric to force you to do that so you have to do it just bear in mind you're evaluating initial ideas in unit 3 and then more complex project plans in unit 5 this is what you will have to do next week so be generous be critical in the sense that try to find flaws and try to give all the suggestions you can be critical with that but be generous at the end and then a very general questions but very interesting because it's one of the key approaches in E-tweening what do you think about integrating CLEAL and E-tweening any opinion about that sure content language learning who wants to say something about that how to integrate CLEAL and E-tweening can they be integrated I think E-tweening is CLEAL and CLEAL is E-tweening I don't have many things to add because if you think about project based learning and CLEAL it's E-tweening but that's it I mean you're dealing with different subjects in a common language and you are all working for the same and you're learning all these different subjects in the different language so you're working all these different competences and that's it E-tweening and that's it so as simple as that and as complex both at the same time more ideas that's my idea yes we usually say that E-tweening is CLEAL when you are developing whatever kind of activity in a foreign language with a foreigner partner you are doing something CLEAL so there is no need to work about the integration because it's already done so of course if you are working in a European project in a European collaboration using a language that could be English or French or German you are developing a CLEAL activity so it's something really easy and difficult in the same way as you say in fact E-tweening is a tool to develop any E-tweening by itself is not a pedagogical approach E-tweening is a tool to implement pedagogical approaches quite easily I must say so if you are thinking in CLEAL thinking in peer learning or collaborative work or wherever wherever you are thinking on you can use E-tweening to implement it so that's also a way of approaching E-tweening use it as a tool to do any kind of innovative plan you have for your lessons okay Can you just say Diego that E-tweening can be the motivation on these approaches it can provide a very good motivation for all that's another value it's not only a tool it's not only an efficient tool it's also a fun efficient tool all this and quite cheap by the way and easy to manage there is an interesting question here now that we are national support services in different countries Mildian Mildian Prof on Twitter says is there a possibility of E-tweening recognition by certificates by the Ministry of Education okay in the Spanish case it depends of any country in the Spanish case it also depends of the regions as you may know Spain is divided into autonomous communities so far a bit more than half of the communities in Spain give recognition to the participation of in E-tweening projects with different procedures different legal procedures you just ask the Spanish National Support Service if you're Spanish or ask your regional representative of E-tweening and they will be able to inform you but in Spain probably you will have the chance to get some recognition so can we have a round of to see what kind of recognition you can get in your countries if you can because it's very difficult to implement the legal recognition for such a flexible program so Greece please whatever Portugal please so as Diego said it depends on the countries we are in the Ministry of Education in Portugal so it's easy for the Ministry to give recognition so E-tweening is the Ministry E-tweening we are always under the umbrella of the Ministry which gives also some so teachers rely on us most very much because of that so as for recognition we also award the National Quality Labels and we have a ceremony promoted by us as National Support Service but we are also as I said Ministry of Education so we have a ceremony in the different regions of Portugal where the Ministry goes there and gives them a certificate for the National Quality Labels all the projects that have National Quality Labels are candidates for National Prize there is an event, a National Event where the Ministry is and awards these National Prizes by the way if there are any Portuguese there the application is going on until the 10th of July so you should apply for it so yes we as the Ministry of Education give recognition to E-tweening projects and because of that we have many many applications okay next okay so we are trying to find a way to put we don't have a valuation yet so we want to recognize E-tweening widely but we are still waiting for that as Rita said we also have a National E-tweening competition and the last two years it goes together with the National Conference and it's a scientific conference so it's for two and a half days we have around 600 participants coming all over Greece and presenting their work mostly E-tweening projects related to E-tweening or other European projects we are also in the Ministry of Education and I think that this is also really important because we are in the center and the recognition is wider and so we have the National competition, National Awards of E-tweening for the teachers who have applied and have received the National Code label so our application is until 31st of August and that's the end of it as Rita said for the Greek participants but I think that it's now quite well known between E-tweening in Greece and they are trying to combine it with other projects as well and we also offer it's not a recognition it's a kind of recognition so for the teachers working in the secondary education not many but quite a lot of them they can have a reduction in their schedule for two hours a week and that's a kind of recognition because they have time to work for their project in E-tweening Okay, any other country? Talking about recognition I can say that the Ministry of Education in Serbia of course supports participation in E-tweening program we have started with E-tweening in January 2015 so there are a lot of things that we are still working on there are types of seminars in Serbia that teachers can participate in within their professional development and soon in September seminars organized by National Support Service will be used as part of professional development for teachers and they will be able to gain points for their proper participation in these seminars of the E-tweening National Support Service so that's it for now Thank you Max Actually in Italy we don't have a real recognition accorded only to E-tweening activities so for example we have the prizes for an E-tweening project in Portugal or in Greece but it's something only in the E-tweening world I can say so what we are trying to do is always to understand the links between what you are doing as a teacher in E-tweening and other things in the profession so for example you can have a recognition if you can use E-tweening to do something so for example you can develop clear activities that are compulsory using an E-tweening project so you don't get a recognition because you are running an E-tweening project you can have a recognition if you are doing something with an E-tweening project we are working a lot on the recognition of professional development through E-tweening that is not only for the learning events learning whatever kind of formal professional development but also for not formal professional development in E-tweening so what we are working now for example is to understand better which is the contribute of E-tweening to be part of the community for teachers part of this community of practice at European level and we are trying to do this firstly with our ambassadors so that we can then share results with all the community at least in Italy but also in Europe and then there is also recognition for pupils schools in Italy a lot of autonomies and so they can decide whether consider the work pupils and not only teachers do in a project for their school program so we are working to have a common framework at least at national level to help teachers to and also their pupils to in order that they could see the work they do in E-tweening could be recognized officially for every school but according to this autonomy everything is depend on the school okay thank you no there is a question here quite important and we know that it worries a lot of teachers about that E-tweening is about curriculum it's an educational activity you do it as a teacher in class with your students to develop your curriculum then it comes this question how can an E-tweening project be integrated with the curriculum of all the different countries that take part in it that's a difficult issue to tackle sometimes any idea any advice for teachers how to coordinate the curriculum integration of different countries please speak up please me? okay yes did I? that was a mistake the first thing I wrote was impossible it's not impossible maybe you cannot do the whole curriculum but I'm sure that some parts of it you'll do it so don't try to go to do the impossible all the curriculum must fit that's impossible but I'm sure you can manage maybe in some countries you will do it in different months so we just have to change a little bit so it is possible to have all all countries work in the same subject at the same time and it's there in the curriculum I sometimes think about preschool and primary when they say everything is curriculum which is much easier than secondary schools and I envy them because I'm a secondary teacher so everything is curriculum but if you really want to make this work think about it everything is curriculum when you're doing some subject you're not only doing the subject you're training so many things like working together have a critical thought making them search the internet using the right tools so you're not just doing curriculum you're doing the soft skills now it's very common to speak about so we are training everything else but curriculum but the curriculum you can manage everything I can just say I'm a kindergarten teacher so yes everything is curriculum and everything is it winning in the kindergarten and I love that but I just had in mind a project that was awarded I think two years ago and it was the runner up I think it was in the second or third age category which was stories in history this is something that in history most secondary schools have collaboration among Poland, France and Greece and it was really wonderful the way how they talked about the different views different perceptions that every country has about the second world war so this is part of the curriculum as well and I think as Rita said you cannot do it in everything but you can find some places where curriculum can fit and can fit for every country if I may add something also we shouldn't get obsessed with having same objectives in our projects I mean it can be very difficult to coordinate the different interests not to coordinate to make different interest coming from different countries coincide but for any twin project not all groups must have the same objectives for example you can work with a group of math students working on statistics and then a group in another country of social sciences studies doing something with these statistics I mean you have two different subject areas you have two different set tips and contents but even if they are different they are complementary and you can work together they can work in collaboration under these circumstances so yes it's possible it's not only possible because we say so it's possible because we see it every day to have this coordination this complementarity among different international curriculums in each one any more ideas? No? I can just say that the answer I think is in the planning of the project so when you are planning your project you have to work with your partner so before the project in order to set all the activities you would like to develop to run during the project to answer to your your desire your needs for your curriculum in your country and so if you design a good plan of the project before you will answer to your needs through the project during the life of the project so you have to plan before and don't plan extra work Yes Yes exactly you have to plan in order to answer what you need to do and not to do something just interesting just something more There is another question quite related to this because more than a question is a new contribution to the discussion Ivana Bankovich says are theme based projects the answer to integrating between projects in the curriculum of different countries theme based projects or maybe project based learning are they the answer to for a full integration of curriculum in different schools what do you think Come on Rita I'm a little lost with the question Can you elaborate again are theme based projects the answer to integrating between projects in the curriculum of different countries or I think if I may rephrase the question I think it's are project based learning project based learning the answer to integrating between projects in the curriculum what do you think about PBL and E-tweening I think we go to the last question what is Clio E-tweening is PBL E-tweening it is and as I said E-tweening is a tool PBL is a methodology so maybe PBL should be in the curriculum for sure or we have the curriculum use PBL to work this curriculum and yes use the tool between so I think we are thinking about three different things but which the answer is do project work with E-tweening or with anything else but with E-tweening yes for sure we did our job Sure but just to remind that this PBL the flexibility of PBL fits quite really well in E-tweening they are perfect partners E-tweening is a wonderful tool for internationalization of project based learning I think and we have seen many good examples of that and many good examples of how to integrate different curriculums in one same project she is right, Ivana is right one of the answers, maybe one of the best answers to that and then there is a question that usually arises when we are talking to about E-tweening about Neticat and some kind of how would you say oh I don't remember the word sorry just slipped my mind I will say it later but the question is Florina Popescu asks what is the most appropriate way to act when one partner does not relate properly and don't contribute to carry out the project we have some cases like that should you advise the rest of the partners how to behave under these situations I can recommend you to communicate as much as possible to your project partners to agree on everything to make clear all the steps distribute the activities so that it is clear to everyone what each partner should do don't be ashamed to ask questions don't be shy, just ask all the time you can use different tools in twin space to answer your questions and your doubts with your partner the main thing in this question is the communication so communicate as much as possible I would say I would start Diego with something very simple first of all a tip I always give to teachers if you find a good partner don't ever leave him just keep him there okay then you can just add more partners but you're a good partner you can work and you are friends now keep it so in case you have a project and your partner you are two founders and the other has disappeared you send an email you try to find him in skype he disappears don't continue working alone because we have teachers they apply for a quality label they have done wonderful work here alone, this is not between if you are working alone if you don't have any partner this is not between so in case there are more partners and one of these partners is also not the founder of the project and you see that you know he's not really working at the project you can still keep working with the rest of the partners so I don't know what the other thing about deleting a partner the netiquette on that but I think that if you just leave him there and you can just continue working on the project and you have other partners who can work together then you can go on like that the only problem is that if you are only two then there's definitely a problem and you have to go and find a new partner to start a new project and be lucky that time what I usually say to teachers is that it's like a marriage sometimes it goes well sometimes it goes wrong and you have almost 400,000 teachers in the sea to look for another partner so don't give up and please keep communication flowing Yes, I should say also that the the initial negotiation gives you a good clue on your partner just do not start the project with under after just exchanging messages if you want to start a project with a partner you don't know because if you know them everything is easier but if you don't know somebody if you know how he or she are going to react just try to do a substantive negotiation just exchange emails do not do not hurry you don't have to start your project tomorrow and wait a couple of weeks and then have everything really decided even if you can change anything afterwards that's not the problem you can change anything but just have a long negotiation not too long but reasonably long negotiation to see if you are really willing to work together if you're talking the same language I'm not talking about English, Spanish, French or whatever speaking the same educational language or not this should be seen, this should be experienced before the project starts so it will be a good way to diminish the risk to diminish the risk of having a missing partner and also be very careful with cultural misunderstandings they are more common than we think I like to say that the word I'll do it tomorrow the sentence I'll do it tomorrow does not mean the same in the United Kingdom and in Spain they have different meanings in both countries so when you are if a partner just disappear just try to contact try to see what's happening maybe holidays for example we have different Easter holidays in Greece and in Spain which may lead to thinking that the partner has banishes and they're just on holiday things like that, just communicate previous work, previous negotiation and then just take your good partners with you, treat them well as Irene said any more something else to add yes, as you say the answer is again in the planning of the project so if you just don't start without to know before your partner to plan together the project is already a way to be more sure that you will be together for all the road of the project of course this is not always true and another tip is to exchange partners I mean if you work in a good way with someone and you trust someone you can advise other teachers to work together with this partner so you can also ask for example ambassadors to suggest a possible partner if you are alone if you cannot find the right person so what I like to say to teachers in Italy is that you are never alone in twinning so if you can have some difficulties some troubles you can refer to someone else you can find together an answer a person a partner a project so you are never alone and related to what Max said now I also want to suggest that now that you are taking part in that MOOC and in the learning events in twinning it's also a nice opportunity to fight good partners because you can see how they work there how they communicate collaborate usually many teachers come up with nice projects and nice partners when they have the opportunity to work together and collaborate through a course, through an online course okay we have a question for Sevier but for you Mirjan, I think I've pronounced it well says how much time is needed to be in mode and learning is implemented in the national curriculum of the country of Serbia how long would it be needed for twinning to be fully implemented in the national curriculum well, twinning projects can be implemented in each teaching school subject they are adapted to all school levels to all subjects so you can use any team in any class you can create a project that was the question I understand yes, I think so twinning develops different skills and different competencies with students so you can develop cross-curricular competencies you can develop digital language competencies mathematical all sorts of things so for example if you create a project in mathematics and you start in another country and use the English language students will of course be interested in English language for example and the grammar so there are different things that you can develop through projects and all these things are of course in your curriculum, you can start with a subject from your curriculum in a teaching planning program for example as an idea for to start a project okay let's go some problems with connection anything else René, Rita do you have something to say about that not about Serbia but in general the relations between hi Max is back the relations between twinning and the official curriculum I would say that's impossible but we have something that leads to a twinning which is that schools must have a European project so it's not only about a twinning but it's a bigger issue so a twinning somewhere it's there but no I don't see it in the future the word a twinning in the national curriculum I would like to be optimistic but taking it to account all the changes that are taking place in the Ministry of Education these weeks days anyway yeah okay I would like to be optimistic that maybe yes one day we're going to have a twinning school and it can be very well implemented in the curriculum but at the moment I don't know if this is possible but you already have in manuals right in books at least that's a good thing that I found out in the students books for English and another one it's in the book a twinning and there's a whole chapter how you can register a twinning and how you can start a twinning project and it was really fascinating about that so at least it's in the books and in a certain way related to what we were talking before regardless the relation or how often the word twinning appears in official curriculum a twinning is not curriculum a twinning is a tool to deliver curriculum so regardless the curriculum in your country you should always consider a twinning as a way of developing this curriculum it's not an addition it's not extra work it's not doing what you have to do when doing other things in a twinning it's not that a twinning is a tool to develop what you have to do in your official curriculum so even if it's not officially fostered in this or mentioned in this sense this does not make a twinning less valuable for the national curriculum not at all any more opinions about that we are about finishing and there is one last question here I have okay if there are more questions we'll go on but there is I see one question here which is maybe the question which gives sense to this to the name of this hangout of this emission which is and now what the panic that you feel okay you have finished the MOOC in a twinning and now what shall I do where shall I go and the question is once the MOOC is finished what steps do we need to take to flesh out our projects and make them come true not an easy question who can give some advice here you don't dare okay how to make our ideas real how to take these ideas for example that we have been developing, discussing evaluating in the MOOC how to take them into our classrooms with our students how to do that how should we start first of all I would like to say that they are lucky because they have the whole summer they have their holidays and think carefully how they can work on that maybe they are lucky and they have met other teachers in the MOOC that they would be interested in working together so if they have partners this is good if not they can just go to a twinning if they have an idea they can just post their idea in the follow and they will find other teachers and then they will have the time and enough time to discuss how they can work together and then they can just register a project and they can start simple they don't need to do something really complicated they can start with a small project see how this works learn how to use it in space the different tools experiment a little bit with their students and then while time passes they can do more and more things when I did my first twinning projects it was about with a Portuguese teacher and what we actually did was exchanging photos of our everyday life in the kindergarten school and that was it it was the first project and then I started to learn and learn and meet other teachers taking part in courses, learning events different things and you see that you can go on and try different things so my advice is to start simple don't try to do difficult things and be crazy with all these that simple and you will find your way in the twinning world while I was thinking about the question I looked at Max and I remember something he always says in his workshops which is take it easy take it easy and have fun okay and don't be afraid to try and make mistakes and don't stop at the first mistake learn from it and go on and I subscribe everything that Imini said okay one question, one more question Isabel Maria Garcia is there a minimum or maximum of participants in a project can you have two partners from the same country okay there are two questions let's go for the first one is there a minimum or maximum of participants in a project who wants to do this there is a minimum that is two because of course you cannot run a collaborative project alone you have to be at least with someone else so in two the two co-founders of the project should register the project in the platform and then you can invite you know you can invite there is no limit but of course consider that you have to invite people invite teachers, invite partners only if you can afford this collaboration with all the partners so don't exaggerate with partners this means also that you can invite all your colleagues in your school so in order to have a multi-curricular project you can invite all your colleagues from your school and so of course the other partners can do the same and you can also have a project with teachers from your own country there is national project so you can work in your own language with only teachers from your countries but be careful about this because once you register a project as a national between a project it will be national forever so even if you can invite later on foreign partners you cannot for example participate to a European quality label so decide before the secret is always in the planning of the project so just to recap the minimum is 2 you can invite other teachers with no limits but of course this should have a sense okay thank you very much and I think we are done for today we have been talking for an hour now thank you very much to all of you who have been watching us and we remind you that all this hangout will be available on youtube and we will share the link with you on the facebook group and also on twitter with the hashtag twimook and thank you very much Natasha, Massimiliano, Irene, Rita thank you very much for your collaboration it's been a pleasure and I hope we will meet very soon goodbye goodbye everybody see you soon on facebook and twitter goodbye thank you everyone bye bye