 Good evening, I'd like to call to order the Tuesday, April 10th, 2018 Schwoing County Board of Supervisors. Certification of Compliance with the Open Meeting Law. The agenda was posted on the 6th of April at 2.30 p.m. Thank you. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. This is to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. A roll call. 23 supervisors present. Thank you. Approval of the March 20th, 2018 Journal. You need to hit your... Okay. Sorry. I got the mic. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Is there a second to that motion? Yeah, it's not coming on my screen, though. Okay. Supervisor Glavin. Second. Thank you. It's not coming up on my screen, Jim. I can't see. Thank you, Supervisor Glavin. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Vote. Now you can vote. That motion is approved unanimously. Thank you. Presentations. We have none. Public addresses. We have none. Letters, communications and announcements. I have one. I have a note for the county board from the family of Sue Procek. Thanking you for your kind expression of sympathy and support. Thank you. Our sympathy, Ed. County Administrators Report. Good evening. In the room with us tonight, and they have been doing a tremendous job overseeing this next slide. We are about... Facilities into one cost, opportunity for the community, so Greg did a real nice job with that. I've heard some nice compliments from not only some folks in our organization, but across the state who's read his article. Next slide. If you haven't been there the last month or so, you will just be amazed how beautiful that entrance looks. The furnishing is now going in. This is the front entrance where the administrative support staff will be, it's really taking shape. Greg and Jim and all the staff involved have done a nice job with the layout and just looking sharp. Next slide. Carpeting's down. Nice color I think with the woodwork and just has a nice flow and a nice feel to it. Next slide. This is going to be the transportation committee's meeting room. We're hoping this might entice Mark Winkle not to leave, but we weren't successful. This is just a beautiful meeting area. I think the transportation committee and others are going to appreciate it. Next slide. This is an area that is creating a little bit of a delay and that is the lube piping. Pretty extensive system as you can just see from this one snapshot, but it's really going to help with efficiency with maintaining the trucks and equipment. This was something that we learned when we went and looked at other transportation complexes in and out of the state. Of course Greg and Jim determined this would be a nice improvement and I really think it's going to be. So they're still in the midst of making some enhancements here. Next slide. That's actually where the lube will be stored. That's the lube piping room. Next slide. This is the mechanic shop and as you can see they have all of their equipment laid out as they're laying out all this piping and getting that all in order. Next slide. This is the welding shop area. You may recall as you walk through the mechanic area you get all the way to the far end or south end and there's a nice separated area for welding. Next slide. This is the new on heated storage building. I was actually surprised to see this photo without anything in it yet because I know Greg has got everybody geared up to be moving into the facility in my bed as there's some equipment in there right now, but as you can see it is all done and looking good. Next slide. We're working on the fence, the perimeter fencing. Most of the fence is up but the gates aren't necessarily in place so that's in play. Next slide. This is a snapshot of the first round of items that are going to be sold through the auction and of course Greg's team is involved with this as is Bernie Romer, our purchasing agent. I know they just had an auction I think last week and of course getting rid of parts and supplies that we have no need for or have been around forever rather than moving them and storing them elsewhere. Next slide. This is the basement of the North 23rd headquarters and it's already quite a bit of it's cleared out whether it's through the auction or some of the items that have been moved. Next slide. So that's a little heads up on the transportation complex. We are under budget. We're a little bit later than we had hoped originally. We're hoping to move in in April but as you know a project of this size things happen. We're getting real close to wrapping it up and Greg is feeling pretty confident that he's going to have the full team in there by the end of May. In fact he's shooting for May 21st. So within budget parameters and overall things have gone very, very well. If the chairman and vice chairman could join me please. So every two years we generally see a couple of new faces. Some people decide to retire and move on or maybe defeated an election. That didn't happen this year. We didn't have anyone defeated but we do have three board members who have decided to move on after providing service on the county board. And we're going to start with acknowledging our friend supervisor Libby OG if she could come forward please. In fact as Libby is making her way up here if you all crank your necks to the back you'll see a familiar face. Former and now new county board supervisor Mike OG who is going to be joining us. And obviously public service runs in the family. I think it was great that Mike encouraged his daughter to run and she was successful and next to Mike is his wife Becky and their son Spencer. So we appreciate them joining us this evening. Supervisor Libby OG was elected to the county board in 2014. So just four years ago does it feel like more or less Libby. It feels longer. Yes. She served on the planning resources agriculture and extension committee or precom and for three years on the law committee for two years. As I mentioned Libby is the daughter of Mike OG who will be returning next week. And as as far as we know Libby has the distinction of being the youngest individual ever elected to be a county board supervisor here in Sheboygan County. During her 10 10 year on precom supervisor OG provided oversight and policy direction as a liaison committee member for the planning and conservation department register of deeds and UW extension as a member of the law committee. She provided oversight and policy direction to the sheriff's department clerk of courts district attorney medical examiner and court commissioner. Libby was taking classes at UW Sheboygan when she was first elected to the board and then the job hunt began and I think there might have been one or two or three different jobs throughout that. So she didn't have the same level of flexibility that some of us have in this room and she did miss a few meetings. However, she told me how much you really enjoyed serving on the board particularly the precom committee. Libby supported the establishment of the Amsterdam Dunes wetland mitigation bank and preservation area that will forever be a tremendous accomplishment of the board and her involvement. She also supported additional biking and walking paths such as the beautiful trail along Taylor Drive in Sheboygan. And she shared with me just yesterday that she enjoyed volunteering at our county fair with the 4-H program. Whether it was a judge or helping out and supporting our young people in 4-H which is really cool. So please join Chairman Wagner and Vice Chairman Martensi and I in thanking and recognizing Libby OG for four years of public service to the people of Sheboygan County. Would Supervisor Feier Rainer please come forward. And for the record she asked me to keep this short and sweet so I'm going to honor that. Supervisor Feier Rainer was appointed to the county board on May 21st, 2013 and was subsequently elected two consecutive terms. Supervisor Rainer served on the HR committee for one year and the law committee for five years. As a member of the law committee she provided oversight and policy direction for the sheriff's department, clerk of courts, district attorney, medical examiner and court commissioner. During her tenure major initiatives undertaken by those departments included establishing combined dispatch and upgrading the emergency radio system about a $15 million investment in our system. Changing the elected coroner position to an appointed medical examiner position. Adding an assistant district attorney position to work with the health and human services department to promote child welfare. And recommending in addition to the detention center as part of the five year capital plan which we know we still have in front of us as a major initiative. So please join Chairman Wagner, Vice Chairman Martha Enzy and be in recognizing Supervisor Feier Rainer for five years of public service to the people of Sheboygan County. And would Supervisor Mark Winkle please come forward. 26 years of service on the county board, 26 years. I think Carl mentioned before the meeting that there are seven supervisors who have been here 20 plus years and he's one of them. So we're losing a very experienced veteran on the board. Mark was elected to the county board in 1992 and served most recently on the finance and transportation committees. Throughout his tenure he also served on the executive committee, law committee, property committee, planning and resources committee, health care center, building committee and the jail building committee. Suffice it to say that after 26 years there is little that Supervisor Winkle has not been involved with. He has been a strong supporter of improving upon our transportation system, the airport and all of our county facilities. In fact Supervisor Winkle has also been a very strong proponent of law enforcement in our emergency response. This was demonstrated by his support for the combined dispatch center and the radio upgrade projects. And his support for the Sheriff's Department acquiring a bear cat rescue vehicle which is a key tool when responding to high rate incidents. As a strong fiscal conservative Mark supported the one half percent county sales tax in order to help maintain our local roads and bridges, reduce borrowing, provide property tax relief and continue to be fiscally responsible. Mark also supported the construction of the new transportation complex consolidating three facilities into one. Speaking of consolidation and fiscal responsibility, during Mark's tenure the county board consolidated, register and probate with the clerk of courts, the comprehensive health care center with Rocky Null, the printing department with information technology, we privatized Sunny Ridge, you consolidated UW extension with UW Sheboygan, property listing with the treasurer, land and water with planning, payroll with finance, the airport with highway, child support with the health and human services department, and city dispatch with the county sheriff's department. All of that happened during Mark's tenure. As a result of these initiatives and the leadership and support of Mark and the county board, Sheboygan county has established a pretty impressive fiscal track record. We have healthy fiscal reserves, we have an excellent bond rating, and our total payroll today is less than it was 10 years ago. On average over the past 10 years property taxes have increased less than 1% a year. These things just don't happen. It takes work, collaboration, leadership. And brief supervisor Winkle, he's a commonsense, no-nonsense supervisor with an uncanny memory for numbers. He has a good heart, good intentions, and worked in collaboration with his fellow county board supervisors and department heads to help make good things happen. Please join Chairman Wagner, Vice Chairman Martensi, and me in recognizing Mark for 26 years of dedicated public service to the people of Sheboygan county. Mr. Cain for those kind words. 26 years ago when I came here as a young man, tonight I'm leaving as an old man. And when I came here originally I just had one goal in mind now is to restore respect to the third district seat. My predecessor was a snowbird. But in the 26 years I've been here I've seen a lot of changes in the size and the scope of county government and county board. And the changes that were brought about were brought about by this very august board. I didn't always agree with the changes, but I think without exception the changes we've made were for the better of our citizens. It's been a privilege and it's been an honor to serve the citizens of this county. I look forward to retiring. And thank you, good night, and go Brewers. Speaking of age, we did get a chance to pull up a couple of photos. Yes, sir. Thank you Mark. Next slide please. Well what do we have here? This is the property committee in 1992 when Mark Winkel who probably was the youngest county board supervisor ever elected at that time. I don't know. He's always looked young. I'll tell you that. But this is from 1992. Some familiar faces up there. Next slide. Property committee in 94. Vern Gross was the building services director when I started in 99. You see some familiar faces. Next slide. The property committee in 96. Julie Glancy our county clerk who was with us for I think over 30 years. Next slide. In 2000. That point Mark was donning a pretty cool set of sunglasses. Next slide. Mark was a member of the executive committee, vice chairman of the county board. Next slide. On the law committee. Next slide. Transportation committee. Dearly departed Jack Van Dixorn. Good people have worked real hard to get that transportation complex going. Next slide. 2014. Next slide. Mark thanks for 26 years. Appreciate it. In your packets. Two documents I wanted to quickly touch on. Authorizing the finance department to balance department accounts. The finance committee is obviously very familiar with this. There is a great deal of emphasis on department heads and committees to work within budget parameters. Obviously the county board establishes the budget every year. And as your staff we need to work within those parameters and the liaison committee obviously works with the department heads as well to provide that oversight. And we continue to have department heads who year after year deliver. They work within those parameters and have delivered some positive variances which certainly are better than the alternative. As you can see if you studied this every year is a different year. A budget is not a crystal ball. But we're very pleased that with your approval this evening the finance director will proceed and making the necessary adjustments. But overall it's a little over a three million dollar positive variance. And as you've heard me say during the budget development process our largest departments are so key to that success in the budget development. Whether it's meeting your goals and targets or working within budget parameters. And I'll just touch on a few of them. I see the sheriff here. Corey Rastler Corey I think is going to be a tremendous sheriff so pleased with his leadership. And the sheriff's department has struggled with staffing. And we've had to provide some overtime in the detention center in particular but that can also happen with the deputies depending on. What work is in play or whether something happens at their end of the shift and they need to see it through but it's predominantly the detention center so the sheriff's department did have a negative variance. But when you think of a twenty million dollar budget that the sheriff is responsible for it certainly isn't anything that we're not able to manage. On the other end of the spectrum you have the health and human services department over a thirty million dollar budget. And Tom Edgar Brecht our health and human services director. Right out of the gate was concerned that there was going to be some struggles with working within budget parameters this year. And immediately he enlisted his management team. He consulted with the health and human services committee and year end was able to produce a nine hundred thousand positive variance because of some of the management techniques that they put into place. Whether it was making adjustments holding staffing would have you so real credit to them because I know at the end of the first quarter they did not think it was going to go that way. Rocky Null continues to be a shining star. Kailas doing a great job as our new administrator there but good team in place providing a very important service. And Rocky Null exceeded expectations and came in with a positive variance. And then the highway department Greg and his team they're a stretch about as thin as anybody can be right now with all the additional road work they're doing and moving into a new transportation complex everything involved local units of government are asking for more assistance than ever before and highway had a positive variance as well. So just wanted to point out that overall we're looking very favorable. And then finally I wanted to bring your attention to amending county compensation program. There's been a few steps along the way here and I want to make sure everyone's on the same page. The ordinance essentially follows through and what we need to do as part of the budget process. You establish a budget you build in so much of an increase for employees and there's tables in here that need to be updated to reflect those annual increases and that's largely what it does. But as we were looking at this there were a couple of practices between the HR department and committee that were in place so working with Corp Council and really our internal cabinet committee. We made some refinements to make sure that it follows more the process that we're currently taking. And during that discussion I looked at the elected officials area and saw a couple of things. One we had two elected officials that were going to be on the ballot this year so obviously this is your one window of opportunity to make any adjustment in their salary that only happens every four years. And then secondly as I looked at that I thought to myself as it stands right now we would apply and across the board CPI increase for all of them. Regardless of their roles responsibilities whether the department has added staff reduced staff we treat them all exactly the same and the CPI increase would be static for four years. So I asked the HR department to look at what other counties are doing and what we learned is that they're providing graduated increases just as all other employees receive. And I also learned that many of our peers are paying or compensating these important officials more money than we are. Now we can't evaluate the individuals in them because we don't know if Corey Rastler is going to be the next sheriff after this election. Or Melody Logie is going to be the next clerk of courts. We don't know. What we do know is we're very fortunate to have a sheriff with 26 years of experience in the department and a clerk of courts with I think 30 years of experience in the department who are really really good. So I personally hope they're going to be successful in their reelection but we didn't look at their individual performance as we do for all of their employees. But we did look at the roles and responsibilities of the department and both have taken on more. So then we looked and compared other counties and I want to draw your attention to a summary sheet that's in your document that is entitled county administrator and human resources director recommendation based on provisions of chapter 47. Because again there's been a couple of steps in play. So by ordinance this is the county board's opportunity to adjust these salaries it needs to happen tonight by ordinance and it's locked in for four years. Had we followed the status quo we'd be looking at the top box. We would have applied a CPI increase and they would have been frozen in the same amount for four years. At the HR committee meeting the HR director and I recommended a different approach. After comparing and contrasting the wages that these department heads are receiving in comparison to their peers after thinking about just fairness and the fact that if we want to treat them as much as we can like all of our other employees we're not giving all of our employees a static CPI increase that's being considered as part of the equation as part of the budget development process. But if you look at the bottom on that sheet there's quite a difference between a CPI increase and the budgeted average increase of the county board applied each year. So we applied that in our recommendation. Furthermore we built in a graduated increase each year so they're not falling further and further behind their peers in other counties. Otherwise if you lock in the same amount for four years every time you look at it they're farther and farther behind. So we discussed this with the HR committee. We had a good discussion at the meeting and the recommendation was to build in that every time we have elected officials before they file papers that we will look at the roles and responsibilities of the department. Who will I will the HR director will the HR department will be engaged gathering that information. We happen to have a little experience with that because we do the same for all our other department heads. The HR committee weighs in ultimately it is the county board that will make that final decision. So the HR committee approved it. They recommended the ordinance before you with the changes you see with this increase. We then took it a little further now because a number of other counties are all putting in their wage information for peers. Penny and Jean looked at what ten other counties are doing that are similar in size to Sheboygan County. We use the same ten counties that we use when we go to the leadership forum and compare and contrast us to get a perspective of what's fair what's reasonable. And there we saw okay we took a step in the right direction at the HR committee. We built in a manner to treat all of our employees including the elected officials more fairly. It's not going to be a one size fits all. We're looking at the roles and responsibility of the department. We're looking at comparables what have you but we didn't have as much information. So when we went to the finance committee you'll see the third box. What did we build in. We built in an equity adjustment for the county clerk and sheriff. Again those are the only two that are being considered. The others won't be considered for two more years. These are the only two that are engaged with this decision tonight. The finance committee looked at the comparables and saw that even after building in an equity adjustment and then applying the same budgeted across the board increases that we've applied to all other employees throughout the county except deputies. They have a contract. You'll see that that will beef up their salary to 80,000 for the clerk of courts and 109 for the sheriff. It gets them more in line with their peers. But even after what is a nice increase, it still places them ninth out of 10th compared to all the other counties. So is it a step in the right direction? Absolutely. Is it treating them more fairly? Yes. Is it taking a thoughtful approach reviewing roles and responsibilities, peers, internal, external? Yes. Will the county board make the final decision? Yes. So tonight I hope that you will support the proposal before you. I want to thank the human resources committee, department and finance committee and department for their assistance with this. I also want to thank the sheriff and the clerk of courts because you bet we got their input and kept them involved in this discussion. And I appreciate not only their input, but their support for the proposal. Hopefully that helps folks understand a little bit how the process ensued. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Adam. Next is consideration of committee reports. Executive committee resolution number 27. Regarding authorizing the finance committee and finance director to balance over budget departmental accounts, recommendation to adopt. Supervisor Atten. Did you push your button? Okay. We've got a technical glitch up here, so. Supervisor Winkle. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Is there a second? Yeah, you're going to have to raise, I'm sorry, you're going to have to raise your hand because it isn't coming up. If you just raise your hand and I'll see it, I apologize. Something's wrong up here. Supervisor Wegeman. Thank you. I'll second that motion. Thank you, Supervisor Wegeman. Is there any discussion? Supervisor Urena. Thank you, Chairman Wagner. You know, this is probably one of our most important documents. And, you know, when I first joined the county board, I didn't even realize it because it was kind of even hard to see since it's so very small. But it really is the fact that we are over budget significantly. From my memory, we have been over budget significantly, I'm sorry, under budget significantly, under budget by over $3 million. Under budget significantly for the last, at least three out of the last five years, oftentimes by the $4 million. So I just wanted to make sure from my financial standpoint, this is a really significant piece. And I did ask the question relating to sales tax because we ended up getting an extra $2.6 million when you consider all 12 months of sales tax. And that piece is not included in this overage. So that because that is going to the capital, it is going to the capital plan fund balance as the sales tax or transportation fund balance. So it's really important, I think, to understand where we stand in relationship to budget. And if we consistently have this $4 million overage, which is great and have had that for several years, we really need to look at considering reducing the property tax and be more in line with some of our peer counties such as La Crosse and Eau Claire when it comes to that per capita rate. Right now we are really standing in more in the average range. So we have some good metrics to do in order to make those changes. And just want to reiterate how important to see that variance there from a understanding how we're doing as a county from a financial perspective. Thank you. Thank you, Survisor Rainer. Is there any other discussion or questions? Seeing none, we'll go to vote. Please vote aye or nay. Motion's approved unanimously. Thank you. Consideration of committee reports, finance committee resolution number 28. Regarding authorizing human resources committee to enter into labor contract with Sheboyin County law enforcement employees association recommendation to adopt. Supervisor Winkle. Motion to adopt. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Second. Supervisor Conradti. Second. Thank you, Supervisor Conradti. Is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? Supervisor Epping. Thank you Chairman Wagner. On the face value of this it looks like there's quite substantial increases to this contract 275 for first year 25 and 25 for next few years. On face value that looks pretty good or pretty expensive. But I've been assured by speaking with HR director Jean Guillemore that this is within the parameters of what is being had by other law enforcement agencies in the peripheral status. And I will vote in favor of this to keep our law enforcement working the way it should be. Thank you very much. Thank you, Supervisor Epping. Is there any other question or discussion? Supervisor Urena. I will also approve this but I just wanted to point out I've asked the question a few times how do our metrics compare to other counties when it comes to our costs, the fiscal responsibility part. And since this is one of our bigger departments I would hope that we would at some point take a look at our cost comparison per capita with our peer counties. Instead of doing some of those metrics with some of the smaller budget costs that really aren't going to move the needle. But if we did some comparison which I have asked for over the years and have been told we just don't do that. And business does it. It makes sense to do it. It would help our county so I'm hoping we can see that change down the road. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Rayner. Anyone else? Anyone else? Okay, ready to vote. Please push your aye or nay button. That motion has approved unanimously. Thank you. Resolution number 29. Regarding authorizing planning and conservation department to apply for tree planting grant recommendation to adopt. Supervisor Gehring. Thank you, Supervisor Gehring. Is there a second? Supervisor Wegeman. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will second that motion. Thank you, Supervisor Wegeman. Is there any discussion or questions? Seeing none. We're ready to vote. Please push your aye or nay button. That motion is also approved unanimously. Thank you. Resolution number 12. Regarding amending county compensation program revisions committee recommendation to amend per committee report and act as amended. Supervisor Winkle. Motion to connect. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Is there a second? Supervisor Epping. Thank you, Mr. Chairman Weger. I'd like to second that motion. Thank you, Supervisor Epping. Are there any questions or discussion? Supervisor Glavin. On page 7 of this, it crosses out the county clerk and the human resources director and calculating the anticipated salaries. Why is that necessary? Why is that crossed out? Yeah. Okay. I didn't hear you. Thank you. Somebody like to respond to that? Yeah. Adam. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It will involve the county administrator and the human resources director and department with making these recommendations which makes it a little bit more objective. Generally, you don't have an elected official recommending their own salary. I don't think that's very common across the state. But in this instance, it would be the county administrator working with the human resources department making recommendations to the full county board. And we have some experience in that manner. Thank you, Adam. Any other questions or comments? Survisor Urena. And a similar question on line 104 and 105 on page 4. The county board is crossed out for approval and the county administrator is added in. What would be the purpose of that change? Carol, do you have that one? I guess I would defer to Jean. That was one of her initiatives. Jean, you want to come up here with a mic? Okay, thank you. If you'll notice, again, on lines, I believe as you mentioned, 104 and 105, it is crossed out. But if you go down a few lines, you'll notice that it's put back in. So it says on line 108 and 109 in making the proposed salary schedule adjustment to the county board. So again, the county board would be the final decision here. Thank you, Jean. Survisor Procek. I have just an appointment of information to make sure I'm clear. I thought that this also was supposed to come back to the HR committee as most salaries do too. I don't see it being referred as after the administrator and the human resources director make the report. The report comes directly to the county board. I thought it was to come to the human resources committee and then to the county board. Am I mistaken or did I miss it somewhere in this paragraph? Corporation Council. Carl Bissing will answer that. The current ordinance does not provide that it goes back to the HR committee and then to the board for whatever reason it had been, I suppose, as a courtesy, but it isn't in our current ordinance. So when we amended it, we didn't change it to take it away from going to the HR committee. Okay, thank you. Sure. Administrator Payne. I got your mic on now. As was mentioned, it wasn't in the last one, so it wasn't something we removed, but it's fully our expectation to continue to work with the human resources committee and the finance committee before we come to the full county board. We'd be foolish not to. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification, everybody. Thank you, Supervisor Procek. Any other questions or discussion? Okay, if not, we would be. Okay, Supervisor Rainer. Okay, this might be a long shot, but I realized that the way this is worded, it's going to come to the county board in the budget. And so from my understanding, then it's just there. We won't really see percentages. It's kind of buried in that budget. Is that correct? It's not like we're going to see a sheet that says this is the information. It's just kind of buried in this huge budget without really a clear layout of that information. If I'm understanding this correctly. Okay, no, that's fine. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We certainly will not be bearing any wage or benefit increases. In fact, that's probably the strongest driver of our costs every year if we're going to apply a CPI increase or a 2% increase. So the approach we take is working with the Human Resources Committee, the Finance Committee, and the Executive Committee. We establish budget assumptions and wages and benefits are always identified right up front. Then at the Leadership Forum, as you know, we focus on those wage and benefit increases as well. And then ultimately going through the liaison committees, the Executive Committee, the Finance Committee, the HR Committee, we will come to the full county board with a proposed budget. And nothing will be buried, I assure you. It's always front and center because that's one of the key costs that we struggle grappling with each year when you have one size fits all that new construction increases or caps, even to apply a CPI increase or 2% increase or in this case with the law enforcement officers, a 2.5% increase. It's always a challenge, but we obviously want to maintain good people. Hang on a second. Get your mic on. Go ahead. As a follow-up, will it be a separate document similar to what we're seeing now? Will it be a separate document? And perhaps we can lay that out in this resolution that we will be, the board will be getting a separate document, a separate, I guess this or an ordinance so that it is very clear what the wage changes are. Well, I'll just quickly respond. Let me just say this, Carl. Every department's budget that the liaison committees ultimately approve and forward on to the Finance Committee have wage and benefits as a line item. So that's all in every single department's budget right there, right up front, crystal clear. Every liaison committee should have a good feel for that. And of course, when we establish budget targets, we generally come up with what we feel is a reasonable range of an increase. And usually it's been in about that 2% increase. I'm sorry. Thank you. Carl, did you want to add something? If you're talking about the grid for salary ranges at section 4703, is that what you're talking about? Yes, it appears that the board will not be getting this grid. It will just be kind of buried in that budget. The board hasn't gotten an updated grid since you enacted this ordinance on an annual basis. It has been updated and maintained by the HR department. Okay. And then whenever we do update chapter 47, we capture the most current grid that's prepared by the department. So that's not a departure from anything that we're already doing. Supervisor Repping. Thank you, Chairman Wigner. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm seeing the county administrator placed into this doing these proposed salaries and stuff like that in association with the human resources. I have full confidence in the county administrator, full confidence in human resources. But I kind of wonder whether we're just hearing, we're going to hear one voice instead of a multitude of voices like we would hear from other committees that are involved in this. Because, you know, according to the way things are setting human resources, they're answerable to the county administrator all the time anyhow. Now is there going to be undue influence there? And I'm not saying that there's going to be. I'm just saying that's one of my concerns and seeing this language change along put in also with this monetary change. So can there be a response of some sort for my concerns in that set basis? Thank you. Are you referring to the section on elected officials or are you referring to the language about setting the budget? The language that puts the county administrator and the human resources in setting the amounts. If you're talking about the portion that is in 47031 with the across the board pay ranges, the county board is the ultimate determiner of that. And it doesn't really matter from my perspective whether the HR department is stated alone or in concert with the county administrator. Except for the fact that the county administrator is an essential part of creating the overall county budget needs to be incorporated into the financing of the pay raises or pay ranges. I'll pass. All I want to say is that being on the HR committee that there's no way it will get to the county board without our recommendation. Period. That's the way it's going to be because whether you try to sneak it by me or not if I hear it one way or the other it's not going to happen. So definitely we're going to have our input on it and if we don't like it you'll know it and if we like it you'll know that also. Thank you. I hear you Charlie. Thank you Supervisor Cronrardi. Any other questions or discussion? I think you've had your three maybe four. She's an amendment lineman. Yes. Okay. Supervisor Urena. Amendment for amendment. Thank you chairman for allowing me to make that and make the amendment then. So I agree with Supervisor Epping on line two two ninety page seven and two ninety through two ninety three. My amendment is to make the change to keep to keep that portion of the ordinance the same as it has been in the past. Cheryl you clear on that? Do you have Carol? So you are restoring the strikeouts and eliminating the proposed new language? Up to up to and leaving leaving in to prepare a report for the board which is lines twenty two ninety five. So the process is still the same. It's just that who is making I really believe as Tom does that having a constitutional officer and employee rather than two employees making the pay decisions is more accountable to the taxpayer. So the process being the same it's just the who who is making that decision to change back to the way it was in the past constitutional officer and an employee. And this is where I've got the dilemma because under the current ordinance the HR director and the county clerk do nothing more than autopilot the retroactive pay increases. Right. The proposed language in the new ordinance has the HR director and the administrator do an evaluative process on factors other than the autopilot that the county clerk. So are you asking that we continue the autopilot process with the county clerk and the county and the HR director? So not continuing the auto having all the same process. It's just that we have the constitutional officer and the human resource director make those changes just so we have that the balance of powers there. So the constitutional officer will be part of the process of making recommendations on constitutional officer salaries. As the process is laid out you know with the with the process we have in place. Yes. Which is a pretty which should be a pretty cut and dried process. Okay. So I'm confused again. Do you want the county clerk and the HR director to do what they're doing now and what they did last year and two years ago or do you want the county clerk and the HR director to do a new process utilizing the position evaluations comparable salaries comparable salaries of non-elected department heads and other county staff. Yes. All right. I understand the amendment. Okay. Is it. Is there a second to that amendment? Is there a second to that amendment? I'm sorry. Surveyser Glavin. I'll second it. Thank you. Surveyser Glavin. Is this debatable Carl? Yes. Okay. Surveyser, excuse me, Vice Chairman Martensi wanted to speak. Thank you Mr. Chairman. I have some good news and some bad news and it's both the same. This ordinance won't impact at all the sheriff's salary or the county clerk's salary because if we pass it tonight it won't get published until after the date for circulating nomination papers. I already talked to supervisor Procek who I assume is going to be on the HR committee again and I talked to supervisor Otten. I think I talked to some other supervisors here about working on this process so we're not down to the last possible date to vote so these people get a raise. They have four days to go before they have to circulate nomination papers. If we don't pass the report at the end of our agenda today they won't get a raise. They'll get paid the same thing in the next four years. That's eight years without a raise. As far as this process goes, this ordinance will take effect once published which will be after the date to circulate nomination papers. And I intend to work with the HR committee in the coming term to change this process so that for the way I foresee it just in a general sense now is in August. The HR committee would submit a report by resolution to the county board. It would be referred to the finance committee. The finance committee would then pass judgment on it and refer it back here for inclusion in our budget just like we do with all the other wages and benefits. So that in the odd numbered years when our budget is passed and when this resolution would go into the budget we would know then what the wages are going to be the following April. Rather than this down to the last minute issue that we're facing now. The way we got to this is the federal government moved up the primaries from September to August and apparently we didn't take note of the fact that the date to circulate nomination papers also moved up a month. And that's how we got to the situation right now. So no matter what you do on this ordinance it will not impact the sheriff and the clerk of the circuit court. It'll be in effect after it's published which will be after the date to circulate nomination papers. So the wages of the sheriff and clerk of the court will be established by the old method that's currently in our ordinances. I think you can correct me if I'm wrong. Corporation Council. The ordinance before this board will not be published until after nomination papers can be taken out. The state statute requires that the salaries for the elected officials be established by the county board before the nomination papers can start to circulate. So therefore as supervisor Marthenze stated this ordinance will not be in effect with respect to the salaries for the elected officials. However the old ordinance the language that is stricken out here is still in place because the new ordinance doesn't supersede the old ordinance until it's published. The mechanism at the end of this agenda is the mechanism for setting the salary for these two elected officials moving forward. The bottom line under any circumstances is that the county board sets the salary. The county board sets the salary utilizing recommendations or not utilizing recommendations it's the call of the county board. So at the end of the report you will see that at the end of the agenda you will see that the recommendations that the HR director and administrator would have made had this ordinance been adopted without amendment are there for your consideration. So we need to address this by the end of this meeting but it can also be revisited as supervisor Marthenze said with an amendment when we're not under the gun. Supervisor Epping. Thank you Chairman Wagner. I'm really trying to follow this and I really want the county clerk and the sheriff to get the setup and wages like that is proposed. I'm just wondering why we need to change the apparatus for doing this if I use a terminology correct. Why we got to change apparatus for making these changes. Why do we got to change it? You yourself said it would be the same as what has happened the past three years and now we're going to change it to something different and have the same result. Why the change? Well the result you receive. Am I reading this wrong? Well I think you're thinking it through from a wrong perspective. The bottom line is that the county board makes the decision. The county board can make decisions based on the best information that's provided. In the ordinance as currently set forth the county board is given one recommendation and it's not really a recommendation. All it is is a calculation of what pay raises have been across the board for the previous four years for those two offices. So it isn't any kind of discretion. It isn't any kind of a thoughtful deliberative process and you can continue to go on autopilot and receive a report from the county clerk and the HR director which simply crunches numbers. And you can make a decision not based on what other counties are doing, what other comparables are or any of the other factors that are identified. You can continue to do that or under any circumstances you can do whatever you want because the ultimate decision is made by the county board. But if the county board wants to do it based on some factors that are other than rote responsiveness to calculations, this is a methodology that gets you there. Go ahead, Supervisor Epping. So in other words, the county board, I understand the county board makes a final decision, but now we're going to change it. We're going to make the decision based on information we receive from HR and from the county administrator versus HR and the county clerk. Right, but you're getting different buckets of information because under the current ordinance, the county clerk and the HR director just look at our budgets for the last four years and calculate what the retroactive pay ranges were for the last four years and puts a number out there. The new proposal is that you get a recommendation and an evaluation made based on comparables, based on changes within the office as to duties and responsibilities and comparables not only to other counties but also within the county to other department heads. So it's a different metric and by two different people but it's a different metric and that's what you're looking for, the best information to the county board. If I could ask one more follow up question, aren't those same metrics that the HR give us under one circumstances most probably are going to be the same metrics that they're going to give in the second situation? No, they're completely different. Thank you. Supervisor Epping, Supervisor Wegeman. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to suggest that we vote against this amendment. I think it's pretty foolish. We've hired the county administrator to guide us to help us to set the budget to oversee the budget and his skill sets allow him to evaluate personnel and positions and roles and responsibilities. It is not within the county clerk's skill set to do that. So we'd be asking, you know, if they were going to use a formula, that's one thing but what we're talking about is a different approach here and I think our county administrator has those skill sets and that's what we've hired him for. So thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Wegeman. I'm sorry. Mr. Doleson, did you want to speak? Supervisor Beames, you're on. I just have kind of a question. I think if we're all kind of worried about the authority that the county board has, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the county board can fire the clerk, but I think we can fire the administrator. Am I right or wrong? I believe that is correct. Anybody else? John? I will still vote against the amendment. Okay, thank you. You want to speak on the amendment, John? Question for the court counsel. Thank you, Tom. Can the board vote for Supervisor Urena's amendment and still vote to accept the salaries that were presented based on the county administrators and HR directors? Yes, because the salaries you set, the salaries that the county board sets are not going to be based on any proposed ordinance. You can repeal everything in this ordinance. You cannot pass, you can reject it all, and it doesn't matter because for this year, for this term, the current ordinance is in place, which provides that a report is made by the HR director and the county clerk as to what the cost of living increases were retroactive for the past four years. But the bottom line is that the county board makes the determination as to the salary increases, if any. Thank you, Carl. Is there any other discussion on the amendment? Cheryl, do you need some? We have to get the wording. I'll have to cut and paste you. Yeah, that's probably a bad idea. Cheryl, this Supervisor Urena, could you Supervisor Urena? Supervisor Urena, I'd like to restate your amendment, and I hope I am capturing what your intent is. So I'm going to read it as follows. I believe the amendment would read, section five would read, the county clerk and the human resources director shall calculate the anticipated salaries and benefits of the elected officials and shall prepare a report to the board setting forth recommended salaries for the elected positions. They shall evaluate the positions and shall consider the comparable salaries for similar positions in other counties, the comparable salaries of non-elected department heads and other county staff, the changing duties or responsibilities of the department, the salary history for the position, the consumer price index, you for each year, as determined by the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission, pursuant to statute and such other information as they deem pertinent, they shall report the recommended salaries and benefits to the county board. Is that all right? Okay. We have an amendment now? We might do abbreviated. Supervisor Bemes. I was just kind of wondering, I mean, we're amending something we haven't had a motion on. Is that legal? There was a motion, Dick. It was so long ago that, yeah, there was a motion. It was moved and seconded by Winkle and Epping, the amendment. Okay. It was Ureiner and Glavin. Understand your question, no, Dick. Sorry. Yeah. Okay, the amendment is on the screen now, so we're voting on the amendment. Yes for the amendment, no against the amendment. Roger, can you recheck yours, please? The motion is defeated. Four, aye, 19, nay, and two, I'm sorry, four to 19. Thank you. Thank you. Now we have the original motion. Any other discussion? Supervisor Epping. Thank you, Chairman Wigner. I think to keep quality law enforcement leadership and county clerk leadership and county, I want to support this motion to provide good pay for these individuals. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Epping. Anyone else? Any seeing nothing? We will vote on the original ordinance number 12 as amended by the committee. That motion has approved 21 ayes, two nays. Thank you, and I appreciate everybody's patience on the system tonight. Consideration of committee reports, law committee ordinance number 13. Regarding establishing speed zones on county roads W and TA, recommendation to enact. Okay, I need a motion on that. Supervisor Epping. Thank you, Chairman Wigner. I'd like to make a motion to approve. Thank you, Supervisor Epping. Supervisor to Strudy. Second motion. Thank you, Supervisor Strudy. I'm sorry, Roger. Is there any questions or discussion? Supervisor Epping. Thank you. I don't know if everybody's aware of the setup on Highway W that goes through Hingham. There's a very narrow corridor there, and our businesses along there in the past there's been a big sale there, and it's always been hazardous and stuff like that. So a reduction of the speed limit along that corridor as well as the other one would be a good safety factor for us to approve. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Epping. Supervisor Bemis. I don't vote no because if I ever vote yes to a speed limit change, I'm sick. Thank you, Supervisor Bemis. Any other discussion or questions? Supervisor Atten. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to this, Taylor Drive was designed to move traffic from north to south, and right now we have three different speed zones on it. And I don't know why this was brought in. Was it because of accidents? I have nothing in regard to that. And I think we should make it all the same rather than half. If we put this at 35, there still will be some areas at 30. So it's kind of confusing for someone driving that all of a sudden they're in 30 mile zone and then they graduate to the 45 and then it's back to 35. That's what we have right now. And then when you get way out in the industrial park, then it's 45 again. So I would like some explanation as to why we're doing this. Thank you, Supervisor Atten. Transportation Director Greg Schell, you want to respond to that? Why don't you come up, Greg? You're on the mic, otherwise. After you get by the sheriff. The piece that is 45 is the only piece that's in our control. The city is in control of the 35 and the 30 heading to the south past Acuity. There's going to be a lot of work happening in the future along Taylor Drive. As you've seen the paths already, we're also going to have a hospital there in the next couple of years. This request has been talked about from the Lutheran High School with people trying to get in and out of the access to the UW. It's very difficult as the people are coming down the hill. The speed study that we've done on it indicated that about 95% of the traffic is traveling at 55, closer to 60 as sometimes. So we're trying to control that speed by lowering the speed limit, making it somewhat consistent. We're working with Aaron Brault as well as far as improving the intersection at Indiana, which is going to introduce a little bit more pedestrian and bike traffic. So that is going to be another issue as we move forward. Surprised or not? Have we talked with the city at all about making this the same? The city was one that came in and requested the 35 as well. They've been having some issues. I've talked to Ryan Sasma, one of the guys that works in the Republic Works Department. He came to one of the transportation committees as well and spoke to it to try to get to 35 as well. Okay. Well, the design of Taylor was, as I said, was to move traffic. And it has done that. It's done very well. And I realized that probably the 45 is high. But I would like to see it all the same, all the way from north to south. I can speak with the city as far as the peace pass security. I don't know how they would handle that, where that's 30 miles an hour. The other piece is 35. That comes from 23. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Otten. And thank you, Greg. Unless there's any other questions for Greg? Sure. Supervisor Weigemann. Maybe we should make our lowering the speed limit conditional on the city raising there to split the difference. Thank you, Supervisor Weigemann. Anything else? Okay. If not, we have a motion and a second out there to vote. 19 ayes, four nays. Thank you. Consideration of salaries for Clerk of Courts and Sheriff pursuant to Wisconsin Statute 59.22. Carol? Well, does the board have each of them? So you should have each. The first recommendation on elected official salary and then a report on elected official salary per Chapter 47. Right. So the business before the board at this time is to set the salary for the two elected officials that are going to be on the ballot this fall. So I need. If you follow the protocol, if you follow the procedure that, but for the fact that we can't publish the ordinance before the paper gets circulated. You would be considering the recommendation on elected official salaries. The first document, the other document is simply what the ordinance that we have to have on the books reports back. Okay. Supervisor Project, I make a motion to enact the ordinance. To enact the salary to establish the salaries as recommended by the administrator and the HR director. Correct. All right. Thank you. And Supervisor Conrad. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Supervisor Conrad. Any discussion now? Questions. Seeing no hands, we'll go to the vote. That motion is a preview unanimously. Thank you, everybody. I need a motion to adjourn. Supervisor Beemus. So moved. Thank you, Supervisor Beemus. It's been a long night. Anyways, I apologize. For the last time, Supervisor Winkle. One last time. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Please push your right. Keep your iPads open until the votes are recorded. Elaine, do you want to help Roger and Keith? Done. We got it. We are adjourned. Thank you, everybody.