 It would come out one about what Middle Eastern issues might pop up for 2020 and the one I'm recording next week, but I'm very excited about the fashion of politics. Ooh Yeah, what is he wearing? This is going to be a very very interesting. I think most fashion forward of the most fashion forward of primaries is you have not only multiple women running but also of different stripes and questions going to be what what does your fashion say about you and and what are people going to do when you have multiple women who generally people talk about their clothing much more than they talk about men. Sure. Sure. Although we actually have some interesting male fashion too because you know, give me the Bernie is what I say when I go in. Yeah, what a Bernie looks and they say no sir. We're not we refuse to give anyone the Bernie Bernie looks like a sentient sack of potatoes that kind of fits with his proletariat. Sure. Yeah. A worldview. So but then you have people like, you know, Amy Klobuchar and Tulsa Gabbard and Kamala Harris. There's there's a lot. There's a lot there. Freeze warning has been issued till 8 a.m. tomorrow. Wow. You live in a I live where you live. There's there's something odd going in your neck of the woods, Tom. I have sunny I have sunny skies. This cloud coming your way and the freeze warnings for your area too. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll try to pretend like you're above the weather. No, I'm below it. Most of the time. Yeah, I am. I also have been a fan of politics, politics, politics long enough that I was I was like almost fist pumping walking the dog. When you reprised fired fired from his dream job. That's one of them. That's a weird that's you never really know what's going to catch on fired fired fired from his dream job. Yeah. Yeah. Something that's caught on. Hi, hi, hi. We told everyone you were at Sam's club. So. Yeah. He's got a really cool shaved belly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did he do it? Okay. Otherwise. Well, he's pissed. Yeah. I don't blame him. But my belly. Yeah. Like excuse you, you know, all invasively, you know, you think that an ultrasound would go through for, but I don't know. I don't know anything about these things. I don't know. Yeah. I guess they need that. That doesn't get it close to the organ or something. Well, to go back. Well, that's what they always say. Doesn't make any sense. It's not what happens. Well, if they were furry, then maybe they would. Yeah, I suppose so. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll give you a moment to, to settle in while I look up who we should thank at the beginning of the show today. All right. Justin, pick a number between one and 15. I'm going to go with five. Actually, no, no, no. I'm going to go with nine as in March 9th, when we're having the South by so wasted show at in Austin, Texas at the North door tickets available at podcast link.com slash night attack. Sorry, Don, Don, Asmus, you were number five, but Justin changed it to number nine. Sorry. Got to get my plug in, although that is my birthday, which is why I pick five initially. Is it really? Yeah. Oh, no kidding. March. How did I not know that? Isn't it your birthday every year? Cinco de Marzo. Beware the one-third of the Ides of March. Yeah. All right. I have got our man to be thanked. Justin, would you be willing to do the thanking? Indeed. Excellent. Although let me close my door. Oh, the cloud just came over. I told you. Why have you cursed me, though? I was thinking that on the way to the vet, because Roger and I were both like, it's sunny, hard to believe it rain. It looks like rain now. Oh, yeah, no. And that was an hour ago. Right before you came on, I was telling the story like the wind just picked up out of nowhere. This big dark cloud came and Roger's like, you are in a weird area. I don't see it. Finally got there. It's not super windy here, but it's definitely looking like rain. Oh, it's coming. It's coming. All right. Mr. Young. Yes. I will count you in. I would be honored. Three, two. Christopher Davenport has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Christopher. Become DTNS member at patreon.com. Let's start again. All right. Here we go. Take two. Three, two. Christopher Davenport has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Christopher. Become a DTNS member at patreon.com. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, February 21, 2019 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. From the shores of Lake Merritt, I'm Justin Robert Young. And from a dark cloud that Tom sent my way, I'm the show's producer, Roger Chen. Sadly, I didn't send it, but I did warn you that the dark cloud was coming. We got a little weather here. There's always weather, right? That's the fate of the earth to always have weather. But we also got some good feedback from folks about Samsung, about Garmin. We got some news about VR and AR to get to. So let's jump right in with some tech things you should know. Sources tell Reuters that Lyft will launch the road show for its initial public offering the week of March 18th, which would make it the first U.S. ride-hailing company to IPO. Now Uber is expected to follow several weeks after. Those are the reports anyway. Lyft also announced its most affordable ride option called Shared Saver in Denver, Colorado, and San Jose. YouTube says it has terminated more than 400 channels disabled comments on tens of millions of videos and reported illegal content to authorities for violations of its policies. Nestle companies, AT&T, Epic Games, and Germany's Dr. August Okter KG Food Company have all paused advertisements on YouTube over concerns about appearing alongside videos shared by pedophiles. A source told Ars Technica that Disney has also paused YouTube advertising for the same reason. AT&T just restarted ads on YouTube after the last controversy about terrorism a couple years ago. Just for those of you keeping score, Gartner released its Q4 smartphone market numbers. Samsung and Apple declined, but they stayed first and second, respectively. Huawei and Oppo both rose. They make up third and fourth, and Xiaomi, who dropped to fifth, had essentially flat market share. So that's where they stand. Yeah, you know. Yeah, just wanted to give that one a minute. Finland's Varjo has launched its VR1 headset, which promises more than 60 pixels, pixels rather. Pickles would be cool though. Pixels per degree of resolution equivalent to the human eye. Interesting. The device will be sold to companies in industries like engineering and construction for $6,000 per device, so you better really want it. Reggie Afiz Amé announced that he is retiring as president of Nintendo America in order to level up to spending more time with his wife, family, and friends. Doug Bowser will take over as president on April 15th. Bowser previously led sales and marketing for the Switch, and before he was not, contrary to what you might think, the king of the Koopas. That indeed, friends, is a different Bowser. Your president's in another castle, that's Princess Dermot. I can't wait to see what he does. No truth to the rumors that Sony is elevating George Crash Bandicoot to its lead executive in a joke that I stole from Twitter. Excellent. Let's talk a little bit more about virtual reality. We heard about that $6,000 set that Sarah was just talking about. What do we have coming from HTC? HTC announced the Vive Focus Plus that includes eye tracking and a pair of its updated motion controllers. The company first announced as developer hardware back in October, you might have recalled that. The Vive Focus's original single controller supported three degrees of freedom and these new controllers support six. So they can be tracked as they move around as well as rotating on the spot. So this puts HTC in pretty direct competition with Oculus's Quest, which is a standalone headset with two controllers that are due the spring. The Vive Focus Plus is aimed primarily at business customers and will be available in 25 countries, including the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan and China, though we don't have word on pricing just yet. So it seems like we're getting a lot and we're going to get even more of it a little bit later, but VR seems to be moving into the enterprise market mostly because enterprise customers pay a lot of money. Yeah. And also, these are proving useful in enterprise situations. Just talking about the headsets here. The Varjo headset that's $6,000, they're selling it to engineering and construction. HTC, on the other hand, still wants gamers to buy their headset, but they're also saying, well, we seem to be selling them really well to people who want to use them in business situations. So that kind of factory floor mentality seems to be very attractive to HTC as well. And they're sort of trying to ride the fence. HTC Vibe Focus Plus is available to everyone. The Varjo, you pretty much have to be an industrial customer to get one. HTC Vibe Focus Plus, they'll take your money no matter who you are, but they also would like to take your money, especially if you're a business. Well, and every time we report on a headset where I'm like, okay, who needs this? Seems expensive. Seems cumbersome to wear. We get lots of feedback from people saying, the industry that I work in, this is how it's actually super helpful. So it reminds us that the enterprise and the business customers are actually really needing technology like this, where it might be just a fun hobby for the average consumer for certain businesses it's actually adding to the bottom line. Yeah, I mean, I am long ringing the clarion bell of, hey, a product is not a failure if it isn't a success with consumers. It may find another success. You could say it's a failure with consumers, but a lot of these new technologies when you're like, what are they good for if they're not good for me and my house leaves out something that may end up making them very successful in the workplace, and then that circles back around later to being useful for the consumer once people start using them and figuring out what they're good for. For example, Microsoft announced new augmented reality apps for Android and iOS. Remote Assist, which is in preview for Android mimics a HoloLens app that lets service engineers show what they see to a remote expert that can provide guidance. You just don't need a HoloLens to do it. You point your Android device at it. There's an iOS app in preview called Product Visualize, which lets sales people show customers products in context like how big a machine is or whether equipment fits in the space on your factory floor. This is similar to a HoloLens app called Layout and an Android version of this may follow. Now, our technical points out isn't it interesting that the Android app is for the engineers and technicians, and the iOS app is for the sales people trying to sell you the piece of equipment. Both apps integrate with Microsoft's Enterprise Resource Planning and Customer Relationship Management Platform Dynamics 365. This is Microsoft saying we do think HoloLens is very good for the industrial workplace, for the business workplace, and we want more people to understand even before we start selling HoloLens in the mass market what it's good for. Which is going to be when, by the way, HoloLens? Well, we're getting a HoloLens announcement at Mobile World Congress, so maybe we'll find out. Eventually, after three years after it popped up as a thing that I could use in my Skype, HoloLens will now be available to somebody. I'm not here to say that HoloLens is either a success or a failure before we have seen it, certainly compared to the expectations that some might have had from when it was first being talked about. I don't think it has quite exceeded what people initially might have thought of it. But that being said, I do want to give you just a little bit of guft, Tom, with your, with your, oh, the enterprise nothing's a failure as long as you sell one copy at three times price. I don't really think you said that. No, Google Glass. No, not a failure. It's certainly not a company defining failure. It's instead something that now lives on beautifully. Oh, look at that. Look at that beautiful piece of hardware for all of our video viewers. Oh, geez. All I'm saying, Justin, is calling something a failure just because it doesn't, isn't sold to the consumer is inaccurate. That's all I'm saying. It's a failure for consumers, which both of these... That's fine. Dad. I don't know that VR headsets were or even the HoloLens were aimed only at consumers. Oh, I'm sorry. Those initial commercials we saw were definitely not. Only. I said only. I think we are... The Enterprise the Enterprise app known as Minecraft, I'm sure. We are guilty of not being able to separate things and say, hey, maybe it's not good for this one thing that they wanted it to be good at, but it's good for this other thing. No, people just want to jump up and down on a device's grave and make fun of companies for being failures and at the expense of noting that, like, actually this is a pretty useful piece of technology. I do make fun of Google Glass. All right, fine. Other than that, I do think that it is not inaccurate to say when something that fails on a consumer level fails on a consumer level. Well, also Google Glass is it gets a bad rap, right? Because it was the first of its time, at least for consumers and you've got a lot of stories of people being like, went into a bar and have my Google Glass on and people got weird and nobody really understands what this is for. I think over time as we've seen Google Glass competitors and successors come on the market, we talk about them all the time on the show and as there is more enterprise examples of oh, this is actually super helpful for this particular business that most people don't work in so they don't realize it, then it becomes less of a joke. I mean, it's not a joke. It just, it wasn't it wasn't the end-all be all for VR. It hilariously underdelivered on its initial promise. Yeah, and what bothers me... Go back and watch that video and go watch the HoloLens video and then we'll see what HoloLens is when it does officially kind of come out. I know what Google Glass was because I bought one. It was a hilarious underdelivered and that to me is the legacy of it. What I think is ignored in that perspective and what I think bothers me is not saying, hey, this failed to deliver on its promises. It's sort of the dancing up and down of like, and look how stupid Google is and everything they do and you shouldn't believe and it's the conclusions that are drawn from that without taking into account that, hey, you know what? You try things. They don't always work but sometimes you find another good use for them. Of course. Well, speaking of things that will definitely work out perfectly fine. Sort of the Wall Street Journal that Apple and Goldman Sachs are working on a joint master card, credit card, which will integrate with the Apple Wallet app. It might include features like spending goals, reward tracking and 2% cashback. Employees are supposedly testing the card with a public launch possible coming later this year. Apple would get a larger slice of each transaction with a credit card than it gets from an Apple Pay transaction. Well, I mean, this is annoying in the sense that I love using Apple Pay because it's seamless or more seamless anyway than having to have a phone and a credit card at the ready. So, okay, if there's a better rate going on as an end user, sure. I'm interested. I know that the Apple Wallet app is also getting a big overhaul. There's a new version in the latest beta iOS. So, there's probably something that we're going to hear at Apple's next announcements to this unless it gets significantly delayed because we heard about this originally about a year ago. A little under a year ago. I think it was last summer. So, it does sound like Apple has been working with perhaps Goldman Sachs, perhaps other companies for something along these lines for some time. Is there anything we hate about this? I don't hate anything particularly about this idea. I do worry. I'm worrying about where Apple is going because they obviously, they're thinking about life after iPhone. That is no secret. They have made that clear in their earnings call. Not to say that iPhone sales are falling off a cliff or anything, but they are flattening or slowing in some cases and that is a financial concern for them. They have not seen any other hardware up to and including watches and iPad Pros and home pods really stand up and take the lead or at least begin to replace what they are losing on the iPhone. So, now they turned it to services and I don't know what the Apple brand is to me if I'm not enjoying their hardware. Contrary to the very easy Apple cult sort of criticism, I don't care about Apple if I don't like the devices and I don't know if their track record with services is something that would be enough to get me in the door. Listen, Apple PC sales are slowing down what Steve Jobs has done to prop them back up. They're not enough to make up the shortfall and Apple getting into accessories like music players is not the Apple brand to me. Those are consumer devices. They're not a serious computer company anymore and I think it's a bad move for Apple. Alright, that's unfair and you know it. I was like, there's something in Tom's tone that makes him sound like he's being facetious right now. It's a little overly sarcastic. I mean, it's the sass of France right now. Okay, but compare this to something like an Amazon Prime credit cards which a lot of people use if you're in the ecosystem enough you could a little bit different, I know, Amazon and Apple or Apple's and Orange's, ha ha ha but if you get enough sort of kickbacks on other services that you might want Apple original content on a yet to be publicly announced television service then I can see where this might become advantageous to somebody like me who's, I mean, I'm pretty ingrained in the Apple ecosystem to this now. Oh no, so am I. And look, I don't think this is necessarily a bad idea. I just want more Apple products that I love. Yeah, well and this is not the service idea that's going to fill that. I think that's totally fair criticism. A television service, Apple music more services like that maybe a transportation service maybe there's some electric car that they're going to come out that you'll be able to to call and rent because it's automatic those are the kind of services that start to feel like Apple a credit card you know all sarcasm aside Justin you're right it does not feel like Apple it just it feels like something you know my sports team or grocery store or gas station do and that just doesn't fit somehow. I'm with you there. Microsoft's edge browser has hidden whitelist to let approved domains run flash bypassing the security of click to play now prior to February that whitelist included just 58 domains although they included several Microsoft sites they also included some random sites like Deezer, Yahoo QQ from China a hairdresser in Spain was on this list. In November Google project zero researcher Ivan Fratric discovered a cross site scripting vulnerability in the whitelist mechanism and noted that the whitelist was not limited to HTTPS which would have allowed for a man in the middle of tech so he responsibly disclosed to Microsoft. Microsoft has delivered a patch in the patch notes they listed the 58 domains that's how we know the hairdresser was there they also in the patch enforced HTTPS and reduced the whitelist to two domains apps.facebook.com and www.facebook.com only for flash widgets larger than 298x298 now their initial assumption was oh I guess maybe Facebook has a deal with Microsoft about their flash games and they don't want them to be deprecated but Facebook has said it asked Microsoft to remove those domains from the list they're like we don't we don't want those whitelisted either so we're still a little unclear why they didn't just get rid of the whitelist but it might be for not anyway because Adobe is setting flash in 2020 Microsoft is moving to the chromium engine for Edge and chromium is already deprecated flash and will eliminate it soon so this all may be a tempest in teapot but it's kind of interesting. Also the researcher, the Google researcher who originally figured this out last year was like there's no real remer reason that I can figure out as to why these 58 domains and subdomains are part of this list and it's even weirder that after this was disclosed and Microsoft got rid of pretty much everything but a couple of Facebook domains Facebook was like we don't know why they're still there we've specifically asked them to remove those as well so somebody knows what's going on here but yeah maybe whatever the story is isn't going to be relevant much longer. One quick note on this I feel like there is a great either long magazine piece or a book to be written just about the long curious history of flash like flash seems to have found itself in the middle of just these weird public sometimes tribal firefights for something that would oddly not really you would not think would come from something like a protocol or like flash. It will be called more than a flash in the pan nailed it. Well I took a couple of flash classes back in the day and I didn't get it at all it was horrible so RIP flash. We never knew yet. A new t-shirt called Wear T-R-B-L how do we think this wants to be pronounced? Tribal right? Where tribal? Okay so it's sort of like weird tribal but where do they air? Yeah where tribal has kind of interesting a flexible e-ink display embeddable into a t-shirt itself so along with a mobile app and bluetooth low energy you can store up to 20 images on the display to fit your mood and there's a battery that lasts about four days so not that you should wear a shirt for four days in a row I don't know I don't you know don't want to be worried but you could technically have a different shirt for four days without having to charge the shirt again you can also remove the display and add it to another shirt or sweatshirt that is compatible of course the product began as a subsidiary of Drone Company Parrots well that's kind of weird but okay and was spun off in July of 2018 so where tribal also wants to create a community of course wants to be a social network with a curated library of pictures that wearers can browse download to their t-shirts and get followers broadcast content to other users and mostly this is sort of a silly fashion thing but if it looks nice I would be into it because I am very pro t-shirts and there's only so many t-shirts I want to buy so if I can make a t-shirt for different shirts well I mean endless different shirts but several different shirts while still on a single charge I would do it yeah this is an interesting idea I think we are certainly going to see more of it in kind of a related story during NBA All-Star weekend commissioner Adam Silver debuted a jersey that could change he demonstrated it via app changing from a Seth Curry jersey to a Michael Jordan jersey nobody seemed to pick up in all the stories that I found that this is almost certainly going to be ad tech where they can sell jersey ads on a rotating basis but I think that this is certainly something that we are just going to see more and more going forward here's an example of e-ink screens which everyone thought okay I guess they're good for signage in stores and e-readers right finding another use because this French company really worked hard on figuring out how to make them comfortable you still don't want to wash them but make them comfortable to be embedded in the shirt and you could wear it as if you're just have a t-shirt with a print on it but you get to change it you get to whatever the funny meme of the day can be on your t-shirt and we're always hearing people like saying we want to hear more about new technologies and new uses for technologies I think this is a great example of that absolutely well and as podcast producers right it's like I don't know somebody loves a dts episode as like you know what we're in that shirt tomorrow so you can kind of have a rotating basis of things that you support and like or you can offend folks with whatever you want to put on your t-shirt which I also support folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines you can find it at DailyTechHeadlines.com Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit you 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equipment manufacturer it does beg the question of who is it there for is there some other airline that is using the camera and what the heck would you use that camera for in the first place I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler this is just like the google mic story right it's a part that had the thing and they're like I don't know we want to use that part it would be more expensive to order a different part that didn't have the camera because this one does the thing we want so just don't use the camera and put it in there and everyone notice like hey wait why is there a camera this happens a lot where you order a thing to use it for one thing and it has this other stuff built in and you're like well I'm not even going to use that and I think that's probably what happened to Singapore Airlines here yeah make sense to me it would still make me feel super paranoid I mean what do you do though if you're like okay we can't we don't want to spend the extra money to remove the cameras sure yeah and a different OEM doesn't do what we need it to do so we're we're going to buy this do you put pieces of tape over it I think you probably do yeah yeah I like that Roger I like that put a Singapore Airlines logo right over that camera so that it just can't be used I think that's really that's an elegant solution there Singapore Airlines pay me I was going to tell him to take it but no you should charge him for it well no you just let you let people have the selfie cam let them put like you know AR dog ears on themselves make it a game no one will care anymore everyone will freak out the number one thing that all passengers want happy content and distracted children who won't yell scream and cause a commotion on a long flight if that means that they get to have robot eyes you know looking into the back of the head rest then I think we would all be richer for that experience all right speaking of being richer for experiences we're richer for your experiences thanks to everybody who shares their actual expertise with us like today let's check out the mail bag we got a few emails from Garmin fans out there supporting what we said yesterday about why Garmin's business is booming and why it wasn't so much of a surprise so first one comes from Nick from Waterlogged Huntington West Virginia who says while Google Maps and Apple Maps have taken over 30 of my navigation duties there's still some trips where I wouldn't leave the house without our Garmin we've taken a cross country RV trip with my in-laws and they're 20 foot class seed the ones with the bed over the cab type thing big deal we ran into quite a few places where my smart phone just shrugged at shoulders at me and said no signal but the Garmin kept navigating away Google does allow you to download offline maps but while that's convenient for your normal commute it's hard to keep up when you're really traveling also Garmin makes standalone GPS units designed for recreational and commercial vehicles that allow users to enter their vehicle dimensions if you've ever had fun watching the videos on 11foot8.com you'll understand why this can be very important even if you see the warning signs and don't run into the low clearance it can be very difficult to turn a large vehicle especially when you can't back up because you're towing a car yeah we got a few enthusiasts who wrote in with similar sentiments and then among the many pilots who wrote in Steven said as someone from the Kansas City area I have witnessed the continuous rapid growth of Garmin and as a pilot I want to let people know that they have always been the big dog in aviation and maritime navigation and in fact in our discord people were like praising the aviation stuff they've been doing lately saying it's it's really good so so good on your Garmin and I apologize once again for back in you know 2008 undervaluing that side of Garmin's business mea culpa had a big mail bag over the last 24 hours so thanks to everybody in response to the Samsung announcements from yesterday Mark wrote in among some of the people who think the ability to wirelessly charge devices off of the s10 sounds promising he writes being able to charge another device means carrying less chargers and or cables makes it easy to charge those new ear pods at the same time your phone or when outlets are sparse charging two phones at once when traveling with others maybe this is more likely of a use case than draining your phone to charge another device at least for me yeah very nice I'm with you without one mark absolutely well well thanks everybody who gives us feedback every day feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and also thanks to Justin Robert Young for being with us in person this fine Thursday Justin let folks know where they can keep up with all the latest well here is the latest March 9th in Austin Texas I know there's a lot of tech folks that are going to be down there in south by southwest interactive that Saturday it's a 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find out more at dailytechnewshow.com back tomorrow we're talking to Eric Olander and Len Peralta in to illustrate talk to you then this show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com I'm in club hope you have enjoyed this program good show good show internet I had to refrain from making a public enemy joke about fear of a wall way plan I was like don't make it about you Sarah I think that's what Roger was alluding to well I do as well we have Bowser takes over Nintendo and the president is in another castle both fine submissions we didn't talk a lot about that but yeah pickles for inch that's a new tech mark my words we got e-ink t-shirts pickles per inch somebody call the parrot guy maybe he's working on it VR what is it good for turns out business absolutely business more than a flash in a pan Bowser says Nintendo's peach everyone wanted to do Nintendo related titles it's just too too tempting yeah I don't know what do y'all think and we could go with a VR or a new hollow promise that's not bad or we could just cave to public pressure and do a Nintendo related I would be fine with a Bowser I think yeah the only problem with doing that is every once in a while somebody on YouTube gets all bent out of shape because they're like they titled it this and they only talked about it for two seconds well you want to know what well I mean but we talked about it there's no you know yeah you want to know what title a show something doesn't making some sort of assumption that it's going to be for you come up with five titles a week and then and then multiply that by 52 weeks a year and then multiply that by the amount of years the time is done and you want to know what if it ain't even in your favorite then you can pound sand I don't care another castle and if I don't care if you don't like it I don't care every other Daily Tech news show names their episode today the exact same thing you can eat it eat it all kick rock sis kick rocks calm down have a peach jump in a lake pee up a flagpole it doesn't it doesn't get used that often but every once in a while I bring that one and it's Mario appropriate right exactly well I mean he's up there so yeah I will say in storm watch 2019 it is now completely clear at my house but it's very windy yeah that wind was crazy a wind calm down over here it's it's real windy but yeah it doesn't look like it's going to rain anymore Roger we might have we might have gotten out of here unscathed whether on the sixes Daily Tech I okay so we're naming it the president is in another castle it's in the dock and I feel good about it you know it's funny what you were saying just out Justin I was having a conversation with someone about you know people sending angry emails and tweets and stuff and somebody said the very very wise advice of like you know you should just reinterpret them as as you know well meant in in certain cases and and and you know try to try to see the the good intention behind some of those and I wrote yeah I did that for the first 12 years I think that parts beginning to wear out it's many of the things that I learned in my career as a podcaster about handling internet or just fan reaction just in general both the good and the bad and understanding where the parts came from Tom and and a lot of it was understanding like look try to remove your performer ego a little bit and try to understand that now you are detaching as much as you can as an organ an organizer or or your ad person your community manager what would your you say to this person not the not the talent right who now feels injured by it and also part of that is understanding what's helpful and you know look if you're like oh after listening to this entire podcast I have come to the conclusion that the title was unrepresentative of the amount of time spent on it then there's just no actionable way and you and you're gonna get that every single week yes about something that you consider very trivial but for some reason struck a nerve with someone else and they're like I need to tell you that I am outraged and and it's asymmetric I think this is the this is what leads to the fatigue right because the person doing that is doing it for the first time ever and it's not a trend right maybe we'll never do it again is like I'm just mad about this boom the person on the receiving end is getting it probably not for the first time that day possibly multiple times that day and and it is now you know another punch in the gut versus the the person who sent the comment is like what I never said I never said anything to you except that one thing why so why so mad bro and and so it's the asymmetry of it that's wearing because you know you can you can tell people like hey it's not cool when you do this but you can't tell everyone in the planet that there will always be somebody who hasn't heard that message right I definitely don't always get this right but I have learned the art of somebody sending me something that I consider very abrasive and perhaps downright rude but hidden in there is constructive criticism right right and I get what they meant they just didn't say it right so like sure I got I kind of took it the wrong way but instead of me being like well screw you I don't need you anyway it's like no I I see that you went through the trouble to do this let's you know figure out what you meant and I can take something away from this even if I didn't really like the email or whatever the correspondence was yeah I what I was talking with people in Slack in the in the DTS Slack today was like I just said I thought that yesterday's episode was really good which was actually a self-therapeutic thing to say yeah and they're like yeah why why you even bring that up and I'm like because I got several emails and tweets pointing out things we got wrong and of course the conversation with people which made me feel better which is why I went in there like let me check this out right help me help me reset my perspective because that's necessary to get a bunch of people going actually I don't see what the problem is so you're like okay that'll help me see the helpful things in the in the emails that are critical to know like okay people also think it's good and and also just you know having having people in there where I got to the point of like yeah it's just you know it's that asymmetry again where it's you you get an over representative feeling from one email right yeah and when you get 12 then it just feels like piling on so you need a counterbalance to that I mean I got a couple of emails directly to me furious that I said that I didn't like potatoes yesterday that's not even counting good day internet right yeah exactly where I'm like okay I'm sorry to have disrupted your day in such a horrible way yeah I will you know it's it's all relative yeah you know when you care about the things that they care about then you get when you get a couple truly angry or insensitive emails and then someone sends one that they're just being but it's but it's critical jokie then you're like yeah it's not funny anymore or yeah or it's friendly but then there's some jokie like here's a good lesson don't joke on the internet very danger 91 percent of people won't get the joke it's it's hard interacting with people I know I get a lot because we do a comedy show and so we have a very specific brand of comedy and part of the camaraderie that I think draws people to night attack specifically is us busting each other's balls a little bit and so sometimes I'll get emails or I'll get tweets that are in that vein we have taught another wise a wise wise man named Tom Merritt said you get the audience you deserve we have trained our audience to understand that it's like okay and sometimes it's to Brian or it's to me using some of the same language but you're like no like there was a time where literally the bit that we did on the show was if Brian won this game that everybody could call me a it was either a disappointment or a failure I think it might have been a failure and on one hand it's like okay well there we go the big stakes and now everybody's gonna wake up every day and call me a failure right and like that was funny for a day right yeah it's just one of those things where it's like every time I check my twitter which again this is a me thing I probably check my twitter too god damn much in the air replies it's just like oh a comment on what I said a comment on what I said a cool article failure like and it was just like like what the oh I did this I brought this up myself better it's just like that like what the hell are you and I'm like about to write them back oh oh no they're literally playing along by the rule so it's it's complicated mm-hmm oh trust me trust me believe when when I was sarcastically talking about Apple and they're like why they shouldn't get into consumer electronics either huh Justin in the in my mind is like you're you're setting yourself up for someone to be plastic you're saying it's okay right now like so you know but meanwhile you want to be free you want to be able to yeah I think that the show is better for sassy Tom to make his way on to the show every once in a while so it's sassy Tom hashtag sassy Tom I just shot a test video idea with theater monkey yesterday of me arguing with myself oh nice is it like a split screen yeah like Tom versus Tom yeah I like it I like it because we kept trying things and I kept saying the problem here is I will miss something and I don't have time to research the kinds of stuff I want to do on top of everything else I do to make sure it's bulletproof and so theater monkey guys like just have an opinion and then argue with yourself that way you're not only preempting a bunch of the criticisms yourself but also covered all grounds that's the game right yeah and so anybody else arguing with you is just not you know like yeah no he already did he already argued with himself so we did Han shot first I can't wait that sounds funny I'm looking forward to it I love it I love it well friends yeah I thank you for watching our video today you are are all successful beautiful people and we're happy to have you here audio folks stick around there's more to come