 Maybe you can just ask the question, the belief in the ego, it's a belief, okay? But then you can go further, a belief or a belief, that there is no ego. So it's still a tragedy. Yeah, it wouldn't really do any good to believe that there is no ego. Yeah, exactly. And this is where we could say it's a common thing where people will use mantras or phrases or cliches and we'll go around saying it's all an illusion anyway. And they usually have like a but. If you listen to them enough, it's all an illusion, but. Or it's all an illusion and it's kind of almost like trying to just toss it aside by saying, I don't believe in the ego. I don't believe that it's real. I don't believe that the world's real. But emotionally, if the peace isn't there on a consistent basis, then that would be a good example of almost like the belief of the belief. Which is just another kind of a delay maneuver. And I believe Arden and Persa were the ones who told Gary Renard that it really, it just isn't practical to walk around talking to everybody and telling them that the world's an illusion. You know, it takes a lot of mind training to reach that state. It's not going to do anybody any good. I mean I've told those stories like it would be like going into a hospital and somebody's up there in a cast and in traction and everything and you start going and banging on the cast and going what are you doing in here? You know, you're wasting your time. It would be very inappropriate actually to do that. And it would be much more appropriate if you found yourself in a hospital to just watch your own mind. Watch what you are thinking. Watch your judgments. They can even be like metaphysical judgments. You know, like a holier than thou kind of attitude. And this is truly about being very, very humble and starting to say wow, I've got this deep mind that's so deep and so vast and every day I've given so many opportunities to just expose the judgments that are coming up. But instead of judging the judgments, I can sit there and I can learn to practice to give them over to the Holy Spirit and watch them go by. And you may call them whatever you call them. I know you went through some days and what did you call yours? Just the stupid thoughts, is that it? Yes. He says, oh, stupid thoughts, stupid thoughts. And then she says, I'm getting to a point where I want to even let go of that but they just seem stupid. They seem erratic, irrational. They don't have any kind of consistency. They don't seem to be part of a flow at all. They just seem to be crazy random thoughts. But what we're talking about is going inward to a point where you can let go of judging them as stupid, which is horrific or even negative or positive. I mean in the end, negative and positive are part of the duality that the ego has made up too. I was just at a conference out in San Francisco. It was a Course in America conference and they got 417 of us. They said, OK, they always sing the same songs. But one of them is accentuate the positive. He eliminated the negative. There's no place for mystery in between. And the Holy Spirit was like, there is no positive, there is no negative and there is no in between. The Holy Spirit is like reinterpreting the song as all 470 people are singing it. Because that's another, that's a pretty subtle way of talking about the ego's trap. But even that song, accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. There's no place for mystery in between. It's still acknowledging the duality and saying, I just need to be more positive, just a little bit more. Then I'll get there. Very sneaky, you can see how even positive thinking is part of the ego's strategy of defending against being exposed in the least. Even positive thinking. We're not saying that affirmations don't have a place in the spiritual journey. Just like manifesting, you know, certainly for all of us has had a place in the spiritual journey. But it's just that if you want to go all the way, and you want to go to the point of really letting go of ego, then you have to start to see that the positive judgments and the negative judgments are on the same continuum. And as long as you engage in either one, you're on the ego's playing field. And it's meanwhile sitting on the sideline going, very good. Stay out there, fight the good sight. You fight against those negative emotions. Kill, kill, kill. It's like cheering on. And that's, we're getting into the more of the solidates when you start to unveil the trickiness, the sneakiness of positive thinking. Some of you might have seen the movie What the Bleak is We Know, where they have the former theologian from, I think he's from Scott London, Ireland, who's talking on there, Michael Ledworth. And he's saying, most positive thinking is like a little smear. He says, covering over all this negative or all this judgment that's under me. So I've said for years, I've said, yeah, it's like putting sweet icing on a cake of mud. And if you go down, like some people like to test out their cakes, if you put a toothpick, if you go down with the finger, you get the mud right underneath the sweet green icing. It's the mud. And that's good. I mean, it's good to get in touch with the mud. We're not saying that's a bad thing. We're saying all the better to go through the darkness to delight. It's just that there's some kinds of things to be a lot of mud. You're in a mud bath before you know it. And then it's like, why did I get on the spiritual journey in the first place? This seems like more like mud wrestling than anything that's helpful. So this is why we have to be very, very thorough in exposing these things. But this is a very good use of time when we come together like this because we expose the ego's tricks. And certainly positive thinking and affirmations or saying, you know, the world's just an illusion. It's not really where you would start.