 Team keep it clean. We pretty much made it. The rookies have already reported for training camp. The veterans will be on the way very, very soon. So we are right here at the finish line. But with the veterans getting ready to show up very soon, there's gonna be a lot of competition going on. And in order for us to unlock the vault of possibilities with so much different pieces of competition in the building, I couldn't do it alone. I had to bring on some very, very special guests in order to help me figure all of this out. Team keep it clean. You are in for a treat. And you know just what I mean. You too, team keep it clean. You see my boy, he like, out of made it, out of made it. Well, that's my homie, ain't that right engraving? Right engraving. So team keep it clean. Very, very, very special guests in the building today. I got the host of the vault, Bobby Baltimore, Bobby T and Sarah E, Sarah Ellison. Before we get into it, because I know y'all like, I feel honored right now because y'all, I mean, we got Roquan Smith. He got, who else we had recently? It was Ian Rappaport, Jocina Anderson, Jess Reven. And I know like with those names alone, with y'all having them as guests alone, that's a big list right there. That's a monumental list. And I know I didn't even include everybody that y'all done had on the show. So I appreciate y'all coming on. I appreciate y'all being here. But before we get into everything, let everybody know where they can find y'all, who y'all are, even though they know already. But let everybody know where they can find you and exactly what it is that you all do daily. Sarah, you know what I'm thinking though right now first and foremost, we haven't had one Lamar Jackson on, have we? And the host of Team Key to Clean has and he's got a pretty dang good relationship with him. So we got to tip our cap to you as well, Ian. And it's great to be back with you. We can be found on pretty much all platforms, including YouTube, of course here. The Vault, a podcast covering the Baltimore Ravens. We got our audio only platforms, wherever you get your shows. Sarah is obviously super active on Twitter at SG Ellison. I'm finally back, unbanned, ready to roll for the season on Twitter at Bobby Baltimore. And we just, we always appreciate, you know, opportunities to collaborate with you and the other creators in the market. So, you know, it's great to be back with you. It's been about a year since you came on the Vault within the first like couple of weeks since we launched, hard to believe, Sarah. But yeah, it's great to be back. Oh, y'all done been a year already. So happy anniversary. That's nice, I like that. It is the first day of training camp. That's one year. Oh man. Oh, okay. I didn't realize that. This is a special time for you. Okay. I got y'all on like at the perfect time then. That's nice. I like that. So, getting straight into a training camp. You brought that up, which is literally, is here. Is here the rookies, they're reporting, the veterans getting ready to report next week and the quarterback situation. I just want to go through some of the different positions and whatnot, some of the different battles that could be at different positions. Now we know who our starting quarterback is, but the backups, that's where there could be a little bit of competition there. But before we get into that, how do y'all feel now, especially after the off season, after everything that it was and everything that it wasn't, that the Lamar Jackson saga, that's in the past now. Cause when we talk about the Ravens nowadays, sometimes looking back, you can feel like that was like so long ago, that we were wondering like, all right, what's going to happen with Lamar Jackson? Is there going to be a contract? What's going to happen? What's going to go down? But how are y'all feeling now that that's way back in the past? For me, I mean, just covering it, it's just this constant shadowing and maybe you felt it too. And when I worked, I'm sure it was that way in the building. When I was there in the building, when there were big things happening, I mean, Ray Rice, I mean, that was just like a huge, it affects the entire building. So I can promise you that they inside the building are ecstatic that they can go in. I'm pretty sure that today was like a tag extension day. I mean, if it wasn't done, that is all, there was probably a good two months, Bobby, where I feel like that was our lead every single day. It was like the newest, whatever detail anybody could get, they wanted to hear it on Lamar Jackson and it. And I felt like national media especially really pitted the Ravens and Lamar against each other. And obviously there's some truth to that. And that you're obviously negotiating and one person wants so much money and one person's only. So there is some truth to that, but they made it into such a combative situation, which just doesn't ring true to who I know the Ravens are or who Lamar is, neither one of them get super personal. And you're just always hear stuff like, oh, I go, Lamar should be offended. Or, you know, it just got so dramatic that it just took on a life of its own. And we expected that, but it's still not fun to live through. So the fact that that is completely resolved, he's locked in for the next five years, we can all be on the same team again. It feels good. Bobby, how you feeling, man? Yeah, no, what first comes to mind for me is something you said earlier on the show. It feels as if it's been a lifetime ago since everything took place earlier this off season. And I think what that brings me back to is something I was trying to kind of portray throughout the process. And that is because there were so many mixed emotions within the fan base, nationally, regionally, locally, whatever, about Lamar, about how the team was handling it. I kept thinking to myself, if they're able to get to the finish line here, and they're able to start winning games again, this upcoming season, it is gonna be a lifetime ago because it's gonna be an afterthought. And so now all of a sudden, here we are, months removed, and it kind of does feel like an afterthought. All the conversation is surrounding the New Look offense. How will Todd Munkin and Lamar coexist together within this new offense that he's never run at the pro level before to a certain standpoint? We know rookie, there may have been some similarities under Marty's rookie season, but really you gotta go back to his Louisville days under Bobby Petrino from a pro style offense standpoint. So that's what I'm most looking forward to. It's so great to have. I learned so much from Sarah throughout the process on the business side of things. It was very educational throughout March and April. You know, the contractual languaging, it was, I was up late every single night, like grinding my gears, trying to figure out, you know, the extent of a non-exclusive tag versus an exclusive tag, the organizational strategy behind it. What Lamar was doing with, you know, representing himself, it was fascinating. And I'm just so glad it's in the rear view mirror because now we're playing with house money from here on out because this is a team that should be on paper, you know, contending for AFC championships as long as Lamar's in the building. That's true. I agree. Now with Lamar, again, that's all settled. So that's a beautiful thing, but with Lamar Jackson, unfortunately, over these past couple of years, he's missed some significant time. So what that's forced the Ravens to do is look for an adequate backup. For plenty of years now, it's been Tyler Huntley, but now Tyler Huntley's still in the building, but they also brought in some competition with Josh Johnson. Then of course, there's a new quarterback rule where you can hold three quarterbacks on the team on the roster and whatnot. But do you feel, and I'll start with you, Bobby, do you feel like Josh Johnson could be significant competition for one Tyler Huntley? Significant competition is a strong word. I could definitely see them going back and forth during training camp for that primary slot behind Lamar as the primary backup candidate. Look, you said it, the last couple of years, when it's mattered most down the stretch, they haven't had their guy, that everything revolves around number eight. And so from an insurance standpoint, they're gonna have to make a decision based on how many quarterbacks they wanna carry and what they want on game day because Tyler has been serviceable, but what they told you this off season without actually telling it to us is that they feel like they can improve at the backup quarterback position. And there were some reports out there, I believe Jeff Zerebeck was all over this, that Baker Mayfield was a name that they kind of looked in at, there were several other names as well that I'm forgetting right now, but that told us, and we've talked about this in the last couple of weeks because this is definitely, this in left guard, probably gonna be the biggest conversations aside from how the new offense is jelling throughout training camp, but they told us that they think that they can almost upgrade at that position. So I'm not sure how much of a, threat Josh Johnson will pose to Tyler Huntley, but we know that he's got everything that you could possibly want as a backup quarterback. He's got experience, he's got service time, the guys played everywhere throughout his career pretty much, and he's shown, even with the Ravens, he's shown that he can come in and win games or at least be competitive. So I think that in left guard will be the most compelling in a couple of weeks from now. Yeah, I feel you, so stay ready so you ain't gotta get ready. Sarah, how are you feeling about the backup QVs? I don't feel good about it. The Ravens are three and seven over the last two years when Lamar went down to injury. Obviously the best case scenario is for Lamar not to get injured. Listen, whoever goes out there, if Lamar goes down, whoever's out there, we're gonna ride with them, but I had a lot more hope in Tyler Huntley, and so the fact that the Ravens are three and seven and each time Lamar has gone down, it's just been a free fall the first time in 2021. It was a free fall from number one in the AFC to out of the playoffs, and then the next year, which was last year, they went from number three to barely making it, and then obviously, and you can blame Greg Roman and all the other kind of stuff, but Huntley fumbling the ball, I think, changed the dynamic of that game where they potentially could have won. So I love Tyler, and he's going into his third year, I believe, so maybe he gets better. Josh Johnson, I mean, the fact that he can't outright, we're talking about maybe it's a competition, I don't know, I wish that the Ravens could have landed somebody else, but I also understand anybody that's better, they wanna go to a situation where they know they have an actual chance to be a starter. So your hands are tied. I mean, it's not just the Ravens, it's everybody. First of all, there's not even 32 starting caliber quarterbacks, so some guys that should be backups will be starting, and then so the backup market isn't great already, so I don't know that the Ravens could have done much more than they did, so all you can do now is hope that either Tyler Huntley takes a big step up or Josh Johnson has some sort of fountain of youth experience, but I just hope and pray that Lamar does not go down. I feel you on that. Now, speaking of going down, going down the field, something that Lamar Jackson likes to do, and in order for him to do that, he has to be throwing to somebody, and a quarterback's best friend, sometimes it's the tight end, but a lot of times it's the wide receiver. And Sarah, I'm gonna start with you for this one, because we go way back, way, way, way back with this subject, and we're gonna move on to the wide receivers. Now this off-season Ravens, they shocked me big time, shocked me in a good way, because just not used to this, because they went way outside of their box, way outside of their comfort zone with how they have really been addressing wide receiver. Eric, the guys that talked about it, he said they wanted to redo, revamp the wide receiver on. When he said that, I was like, okay, are you just talking or you really wanna do something? But, and the first thing they did was sign Nelson Aguilore, and I was like, okay, but I don't know, baby, is there gonna be more? Is that it? And I was thinking, hey, that might be it, unless they draft somebody, but they went and signed Odell Beckham, Jr. And they didn't just sign Odell Beckham, Jr., but they signed him to that one year, because he got the four years on the back, but they signed to that one year, $18 million deal. And even when those numbers came out, I was thinking, okay, it's gonna be one of those deals where it's up to $18 million a year, but it's probably like a low-base salary, something like that with crazy incentives, but it was 15 million guaranteed. I was like, whoa, who are these Ravens? Eric, the cost, what's up, baby? And then it was the three million incentives. So the way that they attacked it, and then on top of that, went and drafted Zay Flows, and especially, you know, I'm biased with South Florida players, but anyway, they drafted Zay Flows to him like, man, they really like, they really going in right now. And then they went and signed Laquan Treadwell as well. And they're like, and I mean, that was like a little like, a little baby bonus or whatnot, but the big moves were made. And I was like, whoa, these Ravens are really going in. And they still kept Rashad Bateman. They still kept Devon Duvenake. I know there were some people thinking, oh, it's a possibility that Devon Duvenake could be traded. And I'm like, I really liked what they did at wide receiver. So Sarah, how do you feel about not only what they did at wide receiver, but the competition amongst the Ravens wide receivers this year? Yeah, we did an episode where we looked at last year's roster and we said, is the roster at this position the same, worse, or better? And then when we got to wide receiver, I said, it feels like they went from McDonald's to Ruth's Chris, you know what I mean? Oh man. Now, Ruth's Chris, there's still stuff above that, right? Like you can get a home, you can get a home chef, okay? Who's coming and personally making you. So Ruth's Chris felt about right to me because you could still go up. I don't know that they have the best wide receiver core in the world, certainly not, maybe. We'll see how everybody kind of pans out. So on one end, you feel great about it. I mean, I'm with you. I had been pounding the table for them to get OBJ last season. Bobby can attest to this. And he thought I was crazy. People started getting mad. Why is Sarah still covering OBJ? It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. I was getting mad. Yeah, you were. You're like, are we talking about this again? I like that. Take that victory left. Well, but here's the thing though is I took a step back in the off season. I thought it would maybe work out because I knew that Ravens were cheap at wide receiver position. I don't think they're a cheap organization but they obviously have shown that they don't believe in paying wide receivers. Right. And so I thought that last year would have been the perfect time if he were healthy to get him for like a December and January and then it wouldn't cost too much. So then when the free agency came, I still liked Odell Beckham, Jr. as a fit but I did not think they would pay that much money. I'm with Ewing. I was just like floored that they put in void years and I'm still wondering if they would have done that if Lamar was already under contract. I don't know. I, they say that they feel like it helped bring Lamar around, both Harbaugh and Eric have said that. So I don't know if it was a carrot stick or I don't know if they plan on trying to re-sign him if things go well because I'm sure they don't want all those void years. So I feel like in their mind, I think that they do want to re-sign him. So they're not having all that dead money in the future but anyway, so everybody has this like, oh man, if they stay healthy, they're amazing. But then each guy has a question mark. So OBJ, can he stay healthy? Rashad Bateman, we know he can be a number one. He can be an X. Can he stay healthy? Zay, he's got this crazy, I mean, just fluid in his route running. He's just so shifty. He can be a game breaker but can his size, will he stay healthy with his size? Will he translate in year one to the NFL? Ken Nelson Aguilar, I mean, he's like the off-season kind of Cinderella story but we get one of those every year, every single year. Will that translate into the season? So I think though that they've gotten so many guys that if like two of them hit and maybe two or three don't, that you're okay. Whereas before in the past it's been like if Rashad Bateman didn't hit last year, we knew they were in trouble. And yeah, and he didn't hit and they were in trouble. So this year they've got a few more hands to play and all you need is one or two of them to hit. And like with Lamar, with the tight end crew that it is, with the running game, then all you need is one or two to hit but it sure would be nice if more than two would hit. So I'm optimistic that while some of them may not pan out that some of them will and might, and will end up being Lamar Jackson's best receiving corps today. Which isn't hard competition. That's true, Bobby, wait you wait without what I was saying. I don't know about you guys but I'm just looking forward to not seeing Mark Andrews lined up outside in a do or die playoff game in January. You know, like they were that bare bones where Greg Roman felt like that had, and they had injuries and whatnot. And that was the ultimate moment where I said, if they don't make a significant change in their approach to team building this off season, to heck with it. Like what are we even doing? And so to both of your points, they've obviously done that. They've spent considerable amounts of money and here they are. They have revamped as promised, the wide receiver room. I just can't wait to see them have, for the first time in the Lamar era, hopefully balance with a capital B. That's what we've been talking about all throughout this off season, speculating what Todd Munkin's offense is gonna be like. And instead of having to essentially rely on Mark Andrews for four quarters. And we know his durability is unmatched but there were times last year. And this is why I think the emergence of Isaiah likely last year and hopefully in year two as well was so important. Mark got banged up, going across the middle as a tight end. Look, you can only bounce tackles for so long. He got, I would have to think that he probably needed this off season more so than any player on that team aside from Lamar, just solely based on the war of attrition that tested him all throughout last year. And he missed a couple of games if I'm not mistaken too, which is unlike him. So I just can't wait to see the multi-dimensional Todd Munkin project that he's embarking on in Baltimore because too often have they been one dimensional and too often have they been predictable throughout the Lamar era. None of it's, none of which has been Lamar's fault. It's been obviously the game planning, the scheme and the personnel. They now have everything, at least again on paper that's kind of the key words here for the next couple of weeks, for the next couple of months, it's on paper and until it translates, we're going to be speculating, but he's got more than he's ever had before. And I think for whatever reason, they're still sleeping on him nationally, the quarterback rankings, what the Ravens will be, except Ryan Clark, I guess he's bullish on him. He's loving everything that this team could be in 2023. But we all know one of the Ravens at their best when they're being overlooked. So let them keep being overlooked. Oh yeah, definitely, let them keep being overlooked. Now it's funny, you bring up the word that balance, when you're talking about the offense. And it's funny, if I go back years ago, I had the lovely Sarah Ellison on the channel and we were talking about the offense and I brought up that word balance. And she corrected me and she said, no, no, no, not necessarily balance, but harmony, that the offense should have harmony. And right now, I know you all had on Jeff's Reavik a couple of weeks ago and it didn't sound like the Ravens and this particular player had the best harmony right now in this offseason, that being J.K. Dobbins. So let's shift to the running back position where there's not necessarily a competition, but how are you all feeling about J.K. Dobbins going into this year? And Gus, that was as well. Go ahead, sir. I think that J.K. Dobbins is gonna ball out. I think it's pretty clear he's unhappy with this contract. When we had Jeff on, it seemed like he wanted to be paid more than Gus and Justice Hill, which based on what we think J.K. could do would be reasonable. It's just that he hasn't done that yet and we could get into his injury and maybe that's Harbaugh's fault for even putting him out there, all that kind of stuff for Greg Roman, not using him enough. So I don't think, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe Eric DeCasso will just be like, hey, I'll throw you a bone and we'll do some sort of restructure where you get a little bit more or whatever, put in some incentives or whatever. But I think that Ravens could stay on pat based off of the running back market. And I think that J.K. Dobbins will eventually come to the same realization that Patrick Queen has come to as I think it was pretty clear Patrick Queen wasn't entirely happy with the drafting of Trent Simpson and all that kind of stuff. And so then when he went up on podium, he's like, well, after you talk to some people, he's like, you realize this isn't the worst situation to be. And he's like, I realize they do want me here. I realize that I'm in a good situation. And he realizes like he can make a lot of money. And I think with a good healthy season, I mean, there is risk that you don't stay healthy. But either way, I think that Patrick Queen could get paid pretty well. And I think the same could happen for J.K. Dobbins, obviously on a smaller scale because of the running back market. So I think that J.K. Dobbins, his passion is so next level that once the season hits and he's on that field, there's not, he can't hold back anything. I don't think he can hold back anything. I don't know what's gonna happen during training camp. Maybe he tries to hold in some more, which I think is what he did during mandatory camp. But in the end, I mean, you see Joe Mixon, he just takes a $4 million pay cut for this year. And then another $4 million next year, Dalvin Cook isn't moving. People guys are out there just like looking for jobs and waiting for injuries during training camp to get a job. And so I think eventually he's gonna have to face the reality that, you know, I don't think he's being mistreated, not at all. So he's just gonna have to face the reality that it's like, hey, Gus had to go through this, but as an undrafted rookie, he was making nothing. Justice Hill had to go through this and he went through injuries and was making both of them made less than JK did because he was the second rounder. And so it's just like, I gotta go out there and bowl out. And then once you start winning, it's like we said with Lamar, it's like so many times, how many times do people say, oh, well, even if they get a deal done, too much damage has been done. They're not gonna love each other. They're not gonna like each other. No, that's not how it works. It's not how it works at all. I think that once things start going and winning starts going, all of this is gonna kind of go to background and background music and JK can totally bowl out. I think he, I really do think he's, I really think he's on the way to having a spectacular season. And all of this was gonna be forgotten about until next off season. All right, sounds good, looking forward to it. Now, Bobby, you had, you brought up something earlier about some of the competition that the Ravens could have and especially one of the biggest battles that they could be having, especially since so much is already settled, that being that left guard spot. Right now, it seems like it is open for grabs, especially after Ben Powers left and signed with the Denver Broncos with that big contract. Who are some candidates that's, who are some candidates you feel could fill in for him at the left guard spot? I think it's important to remember too, like this time last year, we had no clue who was gonna be the starting left guard. You know, like I think the fan favorite, the fan favorite, which tells you just how great of a comeback it was for Ben. And then obviously he cashed in significantly in free agency, which is a great story. And he's a great guy. But, you know, this time last year, the fan favorite would have been Ben Cleveland. And then the conditioning tests really gave him, you know, a tricky time there to pass that thing. And by the way, it's no joke. Sarah knows this. She was in the building, you know, it's no joke whatsoever. And so, you know, to me, this could be something that we don't know for, you know, a good portion of training camp. That said, you know, Ben, there's not a lot of buzz around Ben Cleveland whatsoever. I think the guy who probably sent his stock through the roof during mini camp was the rookie tackle out of Oregon, big solid. You know, the fact that hardball essentially got up in front of the podium and said that he's got a chance. He's got a chance to be there when it matters. Week one at left guard is pretty freaking cool because, what, six-round tackle? He was labeled as a developmental tackle. I'm not gonna sit here and say, I mean, gosh, they haven't even had pads on, right? So we're not gonna get too ahead of ourselves. But to me, it's probably gonna come down to, you know, a favorite of mine would be just because of his experience and he's a vet is John Simpson, you know? But would Sala be sort of the remarkable story of the underdog, if you will. And then would the surprise at this point be Ben Cleveland because of how little buzz there is around him. I think it's probably between those three guys. We know that Patrick McCary, based on injuries, based on circumstances, can always be the plug-and-play guy. Literally, you name the position up and down the offensive line, he can do it. And guess what? He has done it over the last couple of years and that's why they paid him. So he can always be that stabilizing force for them. But I'd have to think it's probably between, you know, John Simpson and Sala at this point and you hope that Ben Cleveland can give it a run because that's what they envisioned for him and he just hasn't panned out so far in his early career. Yeah, it's gonna be fun to see how that unfolds. Now flipping it to the defensive side, because obviously there's no competition at tight end, that's pretty much already set. And then fullback and Patrick McCary, he got that. I know some people have been thinking, maybe Ben Mason, but maybe another year. So all the talk at the pass rush position, this off season, we've been hearing so much about David a job or a job or this or job or that. And we remember last year, he was probably gonna be whether top five, top 10 at the latest and probably not even that late, but at the latest he would have been a top 15 pick. But of course he suffered the injury that set him back and last year was essentially a red shirt year for him, even though he did play in a game and some change. And he did show some flashes in that short amount of time, but this off season has been so much talk about him. And then there's been a little bit of talk about Adafi away as well, but I forget like a forgotten man at the pass rush department, outside linebacker department has been Tyus Bowser. So how are y'all feeling about Tyus Bowser and the fact that things have been, at least from what I've heard, it's stuff has just been really quiet. So Sarah, I'll start with you with Bowser. Yeah, well, I think it's probably because Tyus Bowser is that kind of Sam guy that drops back and coverage a lot. And so because of that, you don't think of him as a high sack guy. And I still don't. I mean, he probably could get, I think he got, I guess I gotta look it up. I think he was somewhere around like four or five sacks or something like that. I know he was injured to start out with. So yeah, I just think it's because he doesn't, he's not like the pin your ears back, go get him kind of guy. And so I expect another great year from him. I mean, but not to the point where I think he's going to get double digit sacks. I don't know any, I don't know that you can predict that anybody is, but I think you think so much about O'Jabbo is like you said is the story, the fact that when he did get on the field, then in the little time he did that he had came up that huge sack against the bangles. And it's like, oh, okay, all right. What kind of flash is that there? And then, yeah, so I just think Bowser does work, some dirty work that isn't completely appreciated. And it does do some rushing, but it does a lot of dropback and all that. But I still expect a Tyus Bowser year, which is to just do all that dirty work that kind of goes unnoticed. That reminds me of Jerry Johnson. So how you feeling, Bobby, about Tyus Bowser? And really just the past Russian general heading into this season. I just dug up the PFF numbers just to give us some perspective here. 2021 was the year of Tyus Bowser. He played in all 17 games, started all 17 and finished with seven sacks. Last year, he played in just nine, started four of those and had two. So to Sarah's point, we know what he's capable of. I think what you're seeing is and maybe what kind of makes sense about the quietness around him is the same thing that's happening with Ronnie Stanley right now. When you're not available, sometimes you can be overlooked or forgotten. And so when Ronnie was held out of the ESPN rankings for top 10 offensive tackles and didn't even be named as a honorable mention, mind you, I think it's just solely based on his unavailability. He's just forgotten sometimes. And we all know what he's capable of being. Just look at the 2019 season. It was a historic season for all intents and purposes at the left tackle position. And we know that he protects Lamar Jackson's blindside better than anybody when healthy. So if Tyus can put together a full season, I would expect him to be right around what Sarah was saying around that five, six sack mark. And that's great because he's so versatile and because he can drop back. I still think that, you know, there's gonna be at some point a late summer move. Perhaps that's the familiar Justin Houston and you bring him back and see if he can test the fountain of youth again, like he did last year. I also saw that one of the outlets, I think it may have been Bleacher reporter ESPN named Jadavian Clowney as a potential candidate for the Ravens to bring in. He's kind of been a little bit of a journeyman towards the end of his career here, rotating around. But clearly they have to probably bolster that unit with one veteran. It's just a matter of who. And Sarah and I have talked about this in the last couple of weeks. This is essentially David O'Jabbo's rookie year. You know, I think that's kind of what you were getting at earlier in coming off the red shirt season. Yeah, it is. This dude was supposed to be a top 10, top 15 pick, like you said. And if he can come in and be reckless and if he can come in and boost up his former high school teammate in Adafi Owe ahead of a very pivotal year three for him, then this is a unit then. I mean, hey, I don't know who's gonna be the go-to double-digit sack guy. I think Sarah and I maybe feel like there may not be one and they could come in bunches. There could be a bunch of dudes somewhere between that four and seven category. And if that's the case, that's fine. But if there's somebody that I'm thinking that can maybe flirt with that double-digit category, it's David. Okay. Yeah, we're gonna see. We're gonna see. And now we know we're getting sex. It can come from anywhere. It can come from inside linebacker. It can come from outside linebacker. It can even come from the secondary. And the secondary has been a big, huge topic of conversation this off-season. Cause of course Ravens, they got Marlon Humphrey. We know what Marlon Humphrey can do. But Marcus Peters, he wasn't re-signed. And then they brought in Rock Yesini. But after that, so we figured, okay, Ravens got their two outside corners, but who's gonna be that slot guy? And this is one of the bigger competitions, in my opinion, who's gonna be that slot nickel corner to hold that down? So Bobby, with the Ravens secondary, who are some guys you feel could possibly fit into that role? Whether they're on the team currently or maybe they might not be here yet? Yeah, well, first and foremost, Ian Rappaport told us point blank that Rocks signing was Marcus's money. So that's all, but you would think over. I know Sarah's still holding out some hope. And a part of me is too, because he was a heck of a player during his time here when he was healthy. And I think he really galvanized that group. And there were some seasons where you just think to yourself, what if, right? I think all of us think, what if, on the 2021 season, what if they hadn't gotten decimated? What if they hadn't trotted out Uber drivers to use something that Inc., Inc. Wink said after going off to the Giants. And this was just fresh on our mind because, you know, this morning's episode was about that, that since he fan who was trolling Ravens, you know, nation with that, that highlight clip from the 2021 season when Burrow threw for what a 525 yards. But what he forgot was that, yeah, they did have an XFL team that was trotting out there in their secondary. But anyway, that's, that's, that's a, you know, conversation for another time. I think I really feel like the, you know, CB3, if you will, I don't think he's on the roster. And I think it could be a guy like, like Kyle Fuller, who's a late summer signing or a mid-training camp signing. You know, you forget this guy knows Baltimore well. He's, he's from the Baltimore area. He was sort of last summer's signing that a lot of us thought to ourselves, man, this, this could be a revitalization for Kyle Fuller. And if it weren't for the dang MetLife Stadium turf, I think they finally went artificial by the way this, this off season, which is exciting for, you know, New York sports fans up there. Cause that, that turf took a lot of ankles, took a lot of knees and Kyle was one of those. He tore his ACL in that first game last year against the Jets. So anyway, I think he could be somebody that they're looking at. I know Jeff has been all over that from a reporting standpoint. So that's something to look out for. But I know, you know, we've, we've talked about this after Marlin and Rock, and you know, we're giving some optimism to Rock, assuming that he is going to be the guy starting, you know, opposite Marlin Humphrey. To me, there's a drop-off. And when I say there's a drop-off, it's just because there's been uncertainty. Jalen Armour Davis is uncertain. I don't know what, I don't know what he is at this point in his career. Brandon Stephens has been very versatile, but I'm not sure what he is at this point in his career. Pepe Williams can be in that same category. There's a group of guys, and you have to of course add in Kayu Blue Kelly, the rookie out of Stanford, they're really going to be fighting for that third or fourth cornerback slot. And honestly, I don't know who that guy is. I'd be flipping a coin. And I know Sarah, you probably agree with that as well. I think that, I think that there's a few options here. So I think one option is somebody steps up, right? So it's, if it's like a Pepe Williams or an Ardarius Washington, somebody show something during training camp. There's that option. There's the option that say the Ravens do sign somebody and then they either take that nickel spot or they're really good at an outside corner spot. And then you bring in Marlon Humphrey to play inside several times. So there's an option there. There's the option that I think is being overlooked is Kyle Hamilton. And I know it's because the Ravens are gonna put him full time safety, but I think back to when they were gonna sign Adrian Amos or that he had been in the building twice, which is a pretty indication that they were moving towards the signing. Then last minute he goes up to the Jets because of Chuck Clark. So that to me was like, well, if they wanna have another safety on the field, Kyle Hamilton can certainly play that nickel role and he's excellent at it. And we saw him play it excellently last year. So I think they do wanna put Kyle Hamilton and have a majority time being one spot. But I was talking to Ken McCusick of Film Study. He said that Ravens are in nickel, I think like 80, 85% of the time. And so Kyle Hamilton can be on the field for 100% of the snaps snaps. And he could be that nickel for 85% of that time and then play safety if they're in a four defensive back kind of alignment. So I think that there are options. I think if they did bring in another safety, that would maybe mean that Kyle Hamilton does take on a bit of that nickel role. So I think those are all the options. And with so many of these younger guys injured throughout mandatory camp and OTAs, it was hard to know if somebody like Pepe could step up or if a, yeah, not Anthony Avery. Who's the other corner that was drafted with Pepe? Jalen Armadavis. Yeah, Jalen Armadavis. If he somehow got healthy and then he was good on the outside and they trusted him that maybe you could kick Marlon in. So there's a lot of different options but I would love to see them pick up one more person because even if you find an option that works, then it really works well. I feel like the Ravens are flirting at this position the same way they flirted with wide receiver last year where like they put all their eggs in the basket with Rashad Bateman and they got injured then like what are the, there was nothing at the wide receiver position. And so if you lost Rock Yacin or you lost Marlon Humphrey, you're in big trouble. And in a year where it feels like the Ravens are all in by paying a ton of money to OBJ and doing some void years that it's uncharacteristic of them, go ahead and let's not gamble here. Let's bring in another guy so that if there is an injury and there's still other options and that the cornerback position doesn't fall apart. I like that. Again, stay ready so you ain't gotta get ready. Now this episode was really special. This was fun. We got to have the folks from the vault on and mixing with Team Keep It Clean. So it's always a good time. Now, speaking of the vault, there was a guy, an offensive coordinator who's been with the Ravens the past couple of years. And I remember one time he said that he had some stuff in the vault that he was ready to pull out. And we saw some of it, a lot of it we didn't but the Ravens this off season, they moved on from him. And another thing that he talked about was forging a new identity at one point. But now under Todd Munkin, new offensive coordinator, we do expect him to forge a new identity. In closing, how are y'all feeling about the possible direction of this new Baltimore Ravens offense under Todd Munkin? Go ahead, Bobby. I'll just say that we're gonna have, if everything works out the way that it's supposed to and what we're gathering and learning about, Todd's plan and vision and whatnot, we're gonna be able to see the evolution of Lamar Jackson as a quarterback in full control. Things like processing, diagnostics, reading the defense, being a true quarterback. And I think what Todd said recently, and I think we said this recently on our show as well, there are times in this Todd offense where we may see Lamar as the offensive coordinator. Like he's gonna have a chance to have complete autonomy. And so I think from an anticipation standpoint, to me it is that. Obviously it's the relationship between Todd and Lamar and how those two can work together. But it's the autonomy and the creative freedom, especially at the line of scrimmage that Lamar is gonna have. He's gonna be able to showcase what he's capable of from an IQ standpoint, from a reading standpoint, identifying certain coverages, making adjustments as needed. And to me, now that'll allow that certain portion or maybe that certain portion of either Raven's Nation or the NFL fan base at large that thinks Lamar is not a quarterback. He can't throw outside the numbers. He can't win it when it matters most. All the doubters that have followed him throughout his career, I think he's really gonna have a chance to, and not that he cares, but he's gonna have a chance to silence them once and for all this week, this week, this year, showing how versatile he's capable of being more so than just what he's been over the course of his five years, which has been pretty dang good, 45 and 16 as a starting quarterback in Baltimore. And I think that to me, bar none is what I'm most looking forward to seeing. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, so in addition to like the effects I am interested in seeing what it looks like with Lamar getting more autonomy, but also clearly the thing that the Ravens have lacked over the last three years under Greg Roman is a marriage with running and passing. Like it just was like if you got to the playoffs and they shut down your running game, I just don't know that they had the wide receivers. I don't know that they had the scheme. I don't know that they had what it took to actually lean into a passing game in the playoffs. I think we've seen that, I think we've seen that in the regular season. I think Hollywood had a few games in the post season where he stepped up, but certainly not enough to like, hurt a defense and strike fear into a defense. So I'm excited. I wanna see, I wanna see, we've got Lamar Jackson who for sure is probably the best running quarterback in the history of this game. And I think more than Michael Vick. And so I love that, but why only do that? And I think that he's been stuck in that. And he had an offensive coordinator that could really maximize that, but couldn't maximize anything outside of that. Lamar is a good passer too. Perhaps great. We just haven't seen it yet. We've seen flashes of it. And I think he's capable, but we just haven't had an offense that shows that because of A, the scheme, and B, the lack of wide receivers. And so I'm excited to see that marriage between the two. And then you had brought up that we had talked about what balance means before, and I use the word harmony. Munkin had said that his definition of balance is utilizing all your weapons. And so he's like, if one game, I use my weapon of Zay flowers and OBJ, and Mark Andrews, and Rashad Bateman, that's balance, because I got four different receivers in the game. And so it doesn't, for him, it's not necessarily, oh, I'm running 50% of the time and I'm passing 50% of the time, it's am I attacking? Do I have a balance of where I'm attacking on the field? Am I only concentrating on the inside? Am I only concentrating outside the numbers? Am I only running up the gut? So for him, his definition of balance is making sure everybody gets involved. And so that's easier said than done. But I wanna see that, and he has said it over a million times, hey, what's my job? My job is to score points. That's my job. At the end of the day, that's what I'm hired to do. So I wanna see if we can get back to that 2019 where it's just like 30 points, 31 points, just always putting it up on the board. So in addition to what Bobby said, those are the three things I'll be looking for under Munkin. Yeah, man, it should be fun. And we all looking forward to seeing exactly how that offense and defense too, just the whole team, how they deliver this year. So I appreciate y'all coming on. This was fun talking about the different competitions in training camp and everything that we have to look forward to and just really everything with the Baltimore Ravens in general. So one more time before we get out of here, let everybody know what they can find y'all at and exactly what you do daily. You know, as always, man, we appreciate the opportunity to collaborate with you and we're definitely gonna run it back on the vault or my personal channel at some point during training camp or this upcoming season. So, we love what you do, we follow what you do and it's always great to see you in our live streams as well. You always pop in there, get the people going in the live chat, which is appreciated. So yes, Sarah and I can be found wherever you get your shows basically, whether it's audio only platforms like Spotify or Apple or right here on YouTube. We do daily content. It's Monday through Friday, 5 a.m. Eastern release episodes. Typically around, we just changed our format which you'll appreciate in, when you start doing things every single day you can get into habits and sometimes you gotta switch it up. So we just switched our format a little bit. We went from scripted to unscripted. So we're now going 30 minutes Monday through Friday. We have a script in front of us that we follow loosely but instead of reading word for word we are literally going off the cuff. We've really enjoyed it. We're looking for feedback and we're just kinda tweaking ahead of the season. So the 25th marks one year. So we are gonna be celebrating accordingly. Sarah is coming to Maryland. We're meeting for the first time since we actually launched this thing. And if you and Carter end up coming to training camp, hit me up because I'd love to have you in the studio. We can do something similar here or we can meet out and do whatever. So again, the opportunity is always appreciated by us and we salute you because you've been doing this for a lot longer than we have and you've definitely made an impact and we're loving everything you do. Appreciate it. So thank you, Sarah. Any clothes and wear before we get out of here? Yeah, I echo what Bobby said. Appreciate you having us on. You're doing great work. Love that you've been getting Lamar on, working with him and all of that. So appreciate your support. And you know, I've said this to lots of people that, you know, as we watch, you know, news companies have layoffs, ESPN, the athletic, we all see that and we're, we always say, you know, this it does and it's, but you know, as well as us, this independent content creator stuff is pretty nice. It's pretty nice. And what I like about it, which isn't always the case is that it feels like we don't see each other as threats because we all have our own little, our own little vibe and the way we come about it. You know what I mean? And we all have our own different opinions and this and that. And so I felt like you kind of lead the way and like instead of feeling threatened, you welcome everybody with open arms that come onto YouTube. So we appreciate that and your support and we hope to give it right back to you. Oh yeah, for sure. I appreciate that both of y'all. So team keeping clean. I know they listed a lot of different places where you can find them at. I have all of that down below in the description to make it easy. They're Twitter's and all that good stuff. So you can follow them on there, especially with Bobby since he back now, back in the building. No more burner Bobby, but officially Bobby Baltimore you back. So team keeping clean. Make sure you subscribe to their channel. Show them love like I know y'all will. Like I know most of y'all probably already do. But on that note, I love y'all. I appreciate y'all and we are out. Yeah, this feels like a dream. 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