 We are live. Hey guys, this is Dr. Nancy Lee. If you're live with me on, oh, let me turn on live on Instagram as well. What about live? Is there a connection? You're live now. Okay, cool. Yes. If you guys can see me live on YouTube, Instagram and LinkedIn, comment in the chat, say hi. Let me play one minute's countdown music and get started. I'm very excited. Now we're going live on three platforms today. Do you ever have that moment in the mirror where you're staring back at yourself? You start wondering, okay. How is that? Is this live? Yeah, it is live. Awesome. Cool. So let's do this. Let me play one more. Yeah, let me share it on your screen. We are getting started now. Cool. So for people who join us live, please comment on the chat. What's your name? Where you're from? We should go for 2023 and cool. So it's live now. Awesome. Awesome. We have 30 seconds to get started. This is Dr. Nancy Lee and very excited to talk to you guys about immigration today. Actually, lots of people have those kind of questions. Hey guys. What's up? I am Bo and also adorable Lex on my link on my Instagram live. So we're going live on three platforms today. Awesome. Okay, great. Who guys? Great, great. Let's get started. Let me do this. Let me turn on my virtual background. So you have everything you need now to where to find me. Awesome. Hey guys. This is Dr. Nancy Lee. How are you guys doing? All right. So quick introduction and this Dr. Nancy Lee have helped 100 people land their dream PM job offer in fan companies, the unicorn startup and continue to get promoted as a product leader. And so lots of you guys have been following me for a very, very long time. So every Wednesday at 11 a.m EST or sometimes at 12 p.m EST when we have special podcast guest we will do live and to do live free coaching for all of you guys. And this is also my first time going live on Instagram. So hi Instagram guys. We'll have lots of people on Instagram join us. This is great. So just like trying to pick out different technology integrating all of them to get this very interesting. Awesome. So we'll see the work today. I believe I can see everyone's chat from here and we'll have lots of people say hi, Mohamed and so share me different way for immigration from what is a ZAD to US. Can you spell your country name fully? Yes, today we talk about immigration with Sabah Harayu. Nisa Harayu. Hi, I moved to the US was a director and how to match rules position in this market what level to apply for. Very good question. Move to US, you mean what's director in your home country? Can you be specific in what country with director in what country now you're trying to figure out what level you match in the US, right? So tell me more about your background. Tell you more. We are expert regarding immigration. We know everything about it because myself was an immigrant. So for people who don't know me about my immigrant story, quick recap, I'm Dr. in the city. I moved to US with only $800 in my pocket to pursue my American education. I came here for my PhD. Then after a lot of PhDs start doing my job and was in four years, I became a director product. And now I have a very popular partner management course and training program to help people to do the same thing as I did. Quickly become a partner manager and also quickly get promoted as a part leader as well. If you're interested in partner management course you should go to darknancy.com. Go to this website, darknancy.com. Then actually next Saturday, we have a one day bootcamp which teach people who are currently already a partner manager and how to get promoted in corporate environment as well. Okay, so now, lots of people who watch this today topic actually it's about immigration. Okay, put all your questions about immigration and about immigrating a job as well. Everything is about immigration. Yes, exactly. And specifically talk regarding how would you be able to immigrate to the US and also land a job with visa sponsorship? This does not include like EB-5 investment, green card, which in terms of people to say super rich people spend like million dollars in the US, you automatically get green card as we don't talk about that part. So we mainly talk about how would you be able to move to US and land a job and also the sponsor your work visa and actually majority of people going through this channel also going to cover other ways immigrate to US, different type of visa types and also the latest, the crazy latest visa situation in terms of actually you are able to interview in the US only on tourist visa as well. So many new opportunities coming up. We're gonna go through all of this today. I'm very, very excited, awesome. We also have some guests with me on Zoom. Abishak, how are you? So right now you don't need to directly unmute yourself. So I'm gonna go through the overview first and then you guys can unmute yourself and ask me questions live, okay? And I also see lots of people, hello, hello. Lots of people join me on Instagram already. Let me see who else, let me see how many, how many highs I get on Instagram, YouTube and LinkedIn, let me see which platform is more popular. Say hi in each platform, let me see which platform has more fans. Each platform, whatever you are to say hi, hi, hi, hi. Let me count how many highs I have in which platform. Now I know which platform is most popular. We have, yes, we have lots of Instagram people. This is awesome. Cool, all right. So yeah, tell me more information regarding your specific question regarding immigration. So now today, let me get started with these presentations. So for people on Instagram, you can not see my slides, but it's okay, okay? You're gonna basically hear me talking about all the key points, okay? Cool, all right. All right, so today we talk about how would you be able to immigrate to the US and then a job offer with HMB sponsorship. There are many, many, many different ways to make it happen, okay? So today I'm gonna reveal all possible ways. This is mainly based on work, visa, and then we're gonna have our guests directly like ask me questions live. Okay, cool. Now, also wanna share some inspiring stories. Actually, we have many stories. Let me do not share chain stories. Let me directly just go to LinkedIn so you guys understand, oh, this is a real person. This can happen as well. What I wanna share with you guys is the, hold on one sec. People want to join me on Zoom. Different kind of like inspiring immigration stories. So let me show you, here's my, you can see my LinkedIn. First of all, I do wanna tell you guys, it's definitely possible, even if you don't work in the US, you can still land a job in the US for sure. Okay, I have so many different like immigration stories for people from Singapore, from Thailand, like many different countries land a job in the US, from like China landing job here, everywhere in the world. Okay, without even working in the US. Okay, I'm going to share with you regarding how they make it happen and you can make it happen as well. Okay, so now for example, this is a student of mine, Chamani, she is Singaporean. She works in Singapore throughout her whole career. Most interestingly was that she never worked in the US. One day her husband got like work transfer to work in the US, so she said, oh, I need to come to the US. And actual majority, and she doesn't have PM experience back in Singapore. The reason you see many from senior PM title was because we teach her how to repackage her experience to make it more relevant to PM. And now she's starting her new job in May 2023 and working for one of the most popular cloud company, as is one of the largest cloud company actual girls PM. Okay, so purely from Singapore, I've ever seen Singapore. The reason she hasn't lost her job in all her LinkedIn right now was because it's starting in May. Okay, so she's starting over there and they're working on like her work visa, different things. Cool, she also took certification from a program as well. So now let me also share with you someone from Thailand. Then the job as well, I really want to show you guys. The reason is also, oh, it's impossible. Yeah, other people can make it happen. You can do it as well. Okay, so let me go to, hold on, let me find here one sec. Let me go to LinkedIn, let me find my Thai students. LinkedIn as well, cool. Let me find it right here. Oh, it's on a different browser. Sorry, let me move it to a new browser. Okay, hold on, hold on. Right here, let me move to a new browser. Where is my browser? This one. Okay, so he's someone from Thailand. All right, he's also one of our students and he learned PM internship in one of the companies in Texas, US. Okay, currently he's still in senior, actually junior, it's a senior junior, let me see. When she graduate next year. Okay, he's graduating undergrad next year in Thailand. 20, so May 2024, so this summer he's, right now he's junior, yeah. So he learned internship for his junior summer with a US based company, doing remote product management job in the US based company, that's the key, okay. Even in his Thailand, everything he did was in Thailand, everything he did in Thailand. So basically we took him, how to repackage past experience, how to learn what the best methodology, learning a job in the US. We're also people in China, learning a job here as well. If you wanna see more examples, let me know, okay. But let me speed up the process, teach you guys how to make it happen, okay. So, first of all, let me share with you some free resources. Everybody please do this, go to this website, darkness.com slash 50 fan, where you have all the interview questions that everyone need to understand. Regardless you interview for fan companies or non-fan companies, now the bar is much higher. I even have like students interviewing with Walmart. It's to be frank, Walmart wasn't popular until like the pandemic, not pandemic. And until all the like 20 years three a layup happens, now they all of a sudden, they have so many candidates in the job market and they were like, okay, so how can I increase the bar? So they made the interview questions very challenging. So basically everyone is doing the fan level PM like interviews, even if you're not interviewing with fan companies right now, okay. So the best way to prepare for an upcoming interview, go to darkness.com slash 50 fan, okay, so go to this website and then directly, let me also put in the chat, so you guys have it. Use the same database, we have 50 different kind of interview questions database, that's enough for you to get practice. Okay, let me put in the chat so you guys have it. Here is my chat history. Yes, put in chat so you guys have it. Now let's continue. Okay, and now why we have guests on the Zoom call is because the email my team info, PM, et cetera, and also in the description of this video, there's a Google form saying that, hey, you guys can submit your questions and join us live and you can just submit your questions there and join me live as well and ask me questions and whoever gets selected most is people who support our non-profit. So actually we have donated over $20,000 into different kind of non-profit in the past and we do one-on-one donation matches, which means you donate $1, I don't know more than $1. So anyone who supports non-profit get free coaching anyway. For me or whoever has most likes, shares and comment, join me for free coaching, okay? And now quick announcement, anybody who is interested in joining PM, et cetera, or learn more about PM, et cetera, you should go to this website.com slash masterclass to learn more about how would you be able to create your key to portfolio within two weeks that will lend you a job offer during a recession, even if you get rejected again and again, okay? So go to this website and learn more later on. And today we talk about immigration. So let me go through all the strategies and also a quick reminder. So next week I have Google, this is blocking Google logo name is Google. So I have asked Google senior director speaking on my podcast and talk about product launches and he had years of experience, also so several successful startup is Ari Paparo and he's talking about the job of product manager doesn't stop with product releases. All right, so you're gonna talk about this on our live podcast next week. And some of the audience can join him live for post-podcast Q&A. So last week we did VP of product at Google, Rob left them, Rob also had live Q&A after the podcast with us as well, okay? So you guys can go to darkness.com slash inner circle and over there once you join you're going to get the zoom link to join him for live Q&A after podcast as well. So my team is gonna send you all the information but right now you can go to darkness.com slash inner circle to get notification, okay? Or then right now darkness.com inner circle for next week. And also last reminder on take a screenshot right now anybody who's interested in finding a mark into your partners, find any of your pairs you go to our LinkedIn group or WeChat group take a screenshot right now and go to those groups later on. Okay, so now key key key key we don't talk about offer celebration yet so we can talk about later on but I really wanna get to the main part. Da-da-da-da right now. So immigration most important topic today, okay? How would you be able to immigrate to the US with work visa? Let me break down all the different ways to make it happen, okay? And first of all let's talk about the different types of immigration. So one sec, let me make sure I have my okay, technology linked, awesome. Okay, great, cool. Okay, so now let's break it down regarding different types of immigration to move to US and also what's the process, what you need to understand and how to lend those sponsored work responsibilities in the US. And first of all, different ways to move to US. Number one thing, which is most typical way which is you come here for school first after you finish your school you can directly just study and use your CPT or OPT to work in the US. So this is very straightforward and lots of people do it and you can give a try as well and actually you should give a try as well. Okay, so number one thing, number two is that you don't need to work in the US but you need to figure out how the US companies like operate in the US and then figure out how the company can communicate how do they like hire employees what's the type of resume they're looking for and what kind of skills they're looking for so that you can match your past years of experience into your experience you have in the US. Okay, so let me, hold on, let me do this and here's how you do it. Let me talk about different types of experience you can match. Okay, so now let me bring it down for you guys. Let's use Austin Chamani as an example and someone who worked in Singapore before and also someone else who is like Hino and he's in Thailand and undergrad in Thailand. Okay, all of the landed job in the US Chamani already right now she already moved to the US getting ready to start a new job in May. Let me tell you the different steps goes into it assuming if you have no work experience in the US company just you're outside of US here's what you do. Number one, you need to understand what's your value prop to the US company. There are different kind of matches. For example, how much of what you did in your home country is relevant to what you are going to be doing for American company. The way to find out relevancy is that you first of all you identify trans-rural skills. So to be frank, all your skills are transferable but it's slightly different between your home country and what you do in the US to be frank. It's like the system's very different. For example, using Chamani's example so she was working on like silver engineering type of companies. So she was mainly working on a more business type of function in silver engineering type of company in Singapore. And also to be frank, Singapore doesn't have many parliamentary positions anyway. So she never get a PM title at all. But she realized, oh, when I was doing other type of job in the silver engineering type of company in Singapore I have transferable skills that US employer is interested. Okay, so number one, you need to identify transferable skills. Doesn't have the same title but all the skills are very important. You need to be relevant and you need to be aware of those important skills. Number one thing. Number two, after you identify those transferable skills you need to understand how American companies function and operate. They speak differently. They work together very differently. Everything's different. Even if you talk about, oh, I managed product in Singapore, I managed product in China. It's different from I managed product in the US. It's very different. Let me give you specific examples, right? So I know the director of product TikTok in China and basically he told me that the director of product or any kind of product management positions in China focus on something that's more operational. It's very operational driven but the same title product manager in the US is more strategic driven. We need to figure out different kind of product strategy. Why do we go to certain directions? So those different kind of ideas are relevant for different kind of companies. So let's say, first of all, like Chiang Mai Lin here, she identified her transferable skills. Even if she doesn't have PM title at all back in Singapore she said, oh, I have done something like talking to engineers, identify requirements. So something relevant to what Americans PM is doing, number one thing. Second, very important. Now she learned, okay. So in big tech companies, oh, this is how people define roadmap. This is how people define like long-term 10-year strategy in the US. So that's the key. I want you guys to understand different companies have different strategies and American companies like the strategy is very different. How do they do product releases? How do they do product launch? And that's why it's our next week's podcast, product insider podcast. We invite someone from Google, senior director from Google talking about product releases. In Google, you need to learn, okay, this is how like the number one, the two top five companies in the US is doing in terms of product release. What I did in Singapore and China and Thailand or any other countries, it's different. So it's different in how American way. Like this is straightforward. You learn how American companies really run the product before even going to interview because not knowing how to do it is like, you're freaking soaked. They will kill you in first round. Okay, it's extremely embarrassing. After you learn it, number three, you start to figure out how to package your resume, your LinkedIn, your experience that is attractive to you as employer. Okay, very important because for example, how you write your resume in China, I have people in China send me their resumes. Okay, well, that's very different. Extremely, extremely different. People in China like to talk about, oh, I did this, have the skills. In the US, what I talk about the same thing, but would like to see people's impact, people's leadership, even if you do the same job, we want people to be like someone who actually led initiative starts something new, generating $5 million for the company, many different ways. You can show others that you have leadership skills through how you package your stories through resume. Okay, number one thing, repackage everything resume, okay? And then it's about how you package your LinkedIn that's more about personal branding on LinkedIn. And then you figure out how the interview process works. Okay, and also actually before interviewing, you figure out how to land an interview in the US is also very different than how you do it in your home country, this is very critical. Okay, and then final step, number four step is really understand your positioning. Okay, so not like, you're not suitable for all jobs in the US to be frank. You need to identify what you need value proposition. Now let me be specific using Chamonix example. So Chamonix had work experience more as a project manager in the silver engineering type of company in Singapore, never working in the US. Her value prop, her match was like, okay, I can actually match as a growth plan manager because she's not technical at all. Even if we teach her how CloudWorks join a Cloud company, we also have alumni working for the same company as a VP of product. I think that's something she benefited from. So understanding like people inside company can help her out as well, knowing how things work within big tech companies. So she figured out first regarding, okay, so my business, I would more doing project management in Singapore now. Here is what I do in the US. So the title match, we match her was growth plan manager. So growth PM is more focused on like growing customers, she got the business side of things as growth PM, not like working day to day with engineers, but she just need to be able to communicate with engineers. But the emphasis is more about, hey, how can grow my product as a growth PM? Okay, so we matched the levels within US. What she did in Singapore, that's more relevant to her growth PM position in the US. Now the next part is selecting the industry. Very interesting. So because we teach her how to build a portfolio, her portfolio looks really good. Because of her portfolio, she was able to learn interviews in cloud. So again, she was in the silver engineering space, but she was able to land jobs in like healthcare companies, has nothing to do with her background, healthcare companies and also cloud companies that are in interviews in many different industries. Yes, because she leveraged product portfolios to demonstrate her skills, even if she came from Singapore, and never worked in the US. She's like, this is the skills, this is the impact I have, and now American employers are wow, this someone from Singapore is even better than someone I can hire in the US. So therefore, she shipped her industry from like silver engineering into cloud, she also did an interview in healthcare in the US, but all of those companies like also sponsored her H1B as well. Okay, so that's the steps you need to follow to land a job in the US, even if you never work here. So that's your immigration path, okay? Of course, as an immigration path, you can like study here and get H1B and get OPT and because once you're here, you can use OPT to quickly land a job there as well. Now, the third way for you to land a job in the US is actually get your tourist visa and actually they open up new opportunities. You can directly join US and come to US and get on a tourist visa. You do not need to work in the US at all. You just need to come here on a tourist visa, have an interview. I think your tourist visa last for like six months, something. You can land, you have to have a really long tourist visa by have a tour in the US and during this time, you're a full-time job hunting. Okay, so now you solve all the time zone changes, time zone differences and then when people call you, they won't call your home country phone number, they won't call your phone number from China, from India, from Thailand. No, no, no, you have the US company, US phone number and then you're being a tourist in the US and interview here and you land a job here. Okay, but before you do that, I want you to be fully prepared. You don't know how things work, even if you live here for 10 years, it's still gonna work. Okay, cool. All right, so now let me answer questions. Let me answer questions live first, whoever join us. Nishita, yes. Tell me more about your experience. So you said director in NASA's business company, infant company in India. Now you work in the US. You want to understand the matches, right? So we can cover that more. So now let me do it. Let me let's talk to our hosts, our guests first. Okay, so thank you for waiting, Apsheck. How are you? You can unmute yourself and turn your camera right now. Yeah, can you hear me okay? Yes, I can. Where are you based? How are you? I'm pretty good. I'm based out of India. How are you doing? Doing well. So what question do you have? So my question is we've had a little bit of conversation around this on Instagram. So I'll just bring it up again really quickly. I'm back on as an engineer, which I've been for around four to five years at the start of my career. Host, which I did a pivot in my career from tech to more like a generous role where I also wanted to try out being a musician for a time musician. So I went to music school for a bit and then I was an independent engineer in the city. Musician? Are you saying that you want to transition from engineer to musician? I play music? Yep. Okay, I keep going and all happening in there, right? Yes. Okay. Media. That was basically pre-COVID. Most of it I decided to pivot back to for time work because it wasn't working out for me and I wanted to get back to work. So I've been taking a couple of bootcamps. I wanted to try product design and I also write online. So that's how I spend my time these days and I'm trying to like put a bit to product management. I'm trying to like figure out my path there. So which one way of which was I got through this master's technical MBA here that I skipped on because I figured after speaking to you that maybe it's not the right place for me to commit and commit up front this a lot of money and time and see if I can establish that I want to be a product manager first before going into a diamond in head first. So I'm trying to like figure out my strategy like what does it feel like even if I'm working here or if I have a remote position. Okay, slow down, slow down. I was talking about doing you decide not to do MBA in India or in US? In India. I see, it's a lot of money. Oh, MBA very expensive too. I think it's a waste of money. If your goal is to land a PM job you can save significant amount of money. Your MBA can pay for 100 different kind of bootcamps. I guarantee you don't need to take 100 different bootcamps to land a PM job. You only need to take one, the best one. That's it. It's like, yes, don't do an MBA if you want to be a PM. If you go to MBA for the purpose of growing your network have a brand, like Harvard MBA has a Harvard brand even if you don't learn much Harvard and only 7% of Harvard MBA land a PM job. Right. It's like probably information only 7%. Okay, so MBA is not there to land a job. It's like I have a brand who'll cover then you're easier for you to show off and do other stuff in the long run. Okay. So now, so your question is you're not going to waste money on MBA to just to land a job. So key is how do I land a job? Do you want to land a job in India or remote in the US or other countries? My preference would be remote US or UK because I'm still trying to decide if I want to settle there or if I want to do a short student maybe return to India so I'm going to keep my options open. I see. You just want to learn how to do remote in different countries, right? Amazing. Here is how to do it. Number one, I do think you need to take some book camps. If you don't know how to do it, it's like you can to be frank, to very frank with you. There's no free lunch to be frank. Okay. So I recommend our book and check it out over there but here's the steps you guys figure out. Okay. So number one thing, when you do remote PM position you need to understand in those home country what are the main job board? For example, in the US it's like then in China it's very different ones. I don't even know the job board in China. I'm trying to hire people in China actually, myself. In UK, what's the main job board? I don't think all countries use LinkedIn, for sure. I think UK has its own one. So number one thing is just go find out and directly. And those and I believe that you should also search. Maybe there is like specialized online jobs or remote jobs. That don't have PMs. Any remote jobs, job board in different country. I believe that different companies, different websites find those first. Okay. Number one thing. Number two, let's use US example. I know US very well. Okay. So remote PM job in the US. Number two, you need to level yourself. Okay. So now, really it depends on your experience and your ambition. You can land large Fortune 500 companies in the US. That's one of your work visas as well, like Chamani and she will learn offer from Equonax. So which is the largest cloud company. I even work with a company as a vendor. That's my vendor actually in the past. Okay. So it's very large cloud company in the US. So you can level yourself to that level. If you're ambitious, you want to go for that level. Okay. You can also go for small meeting companies in the US right now. So, but strategy for big companies, small meeting companies is different. Okay. So now for large companies in the US. So it's very transparent. So we have this kind of job openings here. And then you need to directly network within the company who can refer you to the job. For large company, it just says everything's online. You know who is working for the company. You find someone in the company and then refer you to the job. You go interview, you pass those interview. Everything's very step-by-step. It's very transparent. Now for small meeting companies, it's very different in the US. Small meeting companies, no standard. There's no set process. You just want to find the best candidate, whoever they can find. So let me use a different story. Use my student. He also, the one that I showed you guys earlier, he is in Singapore. He learned remote PM job, right? So he talks to small meeting companies. We directly, so the way he finds small meeting companies, the basic research. Any kind of small meeting companies hiring, there's a different website called Angel List. And I think Angel.co. Yeah. And Angel.co. That's specifically for small meeting companies. Small meeting companies, all startups post job there. And then once you have all the startups, you can directly reach out to people in the company. You can also direct pitch to the CEO. You can pitch to anybody in the start. This is not many people anyway. 30 people, 100 people, they all talk to each other. You can just pitch to CEO of those startups. But the website where you go find those companies and connections is very different. It's not LinkedIn. It's Angel.co, okay? So strategy for different company, different. And now the interview is also very different for big tech company like Chamani, the one she joined, standard process. How do you work with engineer? Like tell me example when you had whatever challenge you had a failure, what's your understanding of like a cloud industry in the U.S. So it's a very standard process. So you guys should go download the 55 interview questions database. We have all the standard questions. So it's very standard. They will add something to it, but it's standard. Now, for small medium companies, it's different. Well, especially for startup, they can do anything. They come in, for example, one of students is interviewing with another fintech startup. And the fintech startup basically is going to ask him specific challenges the startup is facing. That's independent of what standard questions, how they work with engineer, all around, no, no, no. It's like, okay. So our startup wants to grow in this market. I think it's a real safe fintech market. So they want to figure out how can they access more users to have users that invest at least $10,000 per user. The more the better, the million dollars, of course, but minimum $10,000 investment. So they need to find a lot of $10,000 investors in the U.S. So what is the best customer acquisition strategy? How you reach out to them? How would you use technology to reach out to these people? How do you make investment to reach out to these people? So it's like very specific. So each company strategy is very different. And then the best way for you to, now the second part, actually both, both big tech companies and also startups is based on product portfolio. Both of my students, like Chamani, she learned many interviews in healthcare, as I said earlier, even in healthcare. She was in silver engineering. Now she's in cloud. She's no crew with cloud. We train her on cloud. We taught her what is cloud in our program, basically. And then she's like, okay. So then she created a product portfolio, even in silver engineering, people are very impressed. That's it. For startup, same thing. You have a product portfolio. She goes, oh, great. We know how things work. And now she must be able to do the great job very well. And then the product portfolio also helps our students to land the job for a small startup as well. So that's the step-by-step you guys should follow. Okay. Is that clear to you? Yes. I have a couple of follow-up questions if you have any. So one of them being, I've targeted a couple of those companies that you mentioned on angel.co. And the snack that I've been hitting is they are looking for somebody who already has product experience, which I'm guessing is my way forward with the bootcamp. Because outside of it, I'm getting, because I've been an engineer, but even though if I'm trying to transition without product experience, that's a problem to them. And the second question being, I did not think that I should target Big Tech firms just because of the reason that I thought, because of my time away from Tech, my stint away from Tech as a musician, that might be a problem for them to look at my profile. Would that be a deal breaker for them? Like a bank company? Yeah. I do think you start from small one first, especially your musician for many years. I will feel weird as well. I will feel weird, you know? So I will start a small million one, but I disagree regarding their opinion, regarding you don't have PM experience. And most people do not have, 91% people out there, the first job is not PM. Only 9% that go to Harvard, Stanford, those lucky kids. So the first job, they're PM, they go to Harvard, the life is all set, they don't become president, we don't compete with them. The 91%, majority of people are 91%, they don't have PM experience at all. How can they even land the first PM job? Everybody started to build your portfolio. Everybody took a PM bootcamp. Everybody forgot, oh, holy crap, I'm a musician, I'm an engineer, I want to become a PM, let me take a bootcamp to understand how exactly things work. Everyone do the same thing. And then everyone build a portfolio, not everyone, through our program we teach people to build a portfolio, so something to prove. Taking a class is different than I'm better than others, two different things. Once you take a class and we teach you how to build a portfolio, once you have a portfolio, be like, okay, now you show to others, like all my students have a portfolio to show to others, oh, you say I don't have my experience, oh, you're wrong, see this, see what I build, here's the example, you have many, many different solid proof to show the heat, this is how I do it, and I would never seen someone with such amazing portfolio. All my students, they bring a portfolio, all the employer talk about their portfolio, how great it is from the first round of interview. I was doing sales in Germany. She learned a job in two and a half years with no PM experience at all. She quit her job in January, so funny. She hate her job at the sales to say, and then she quit her job in January, but she didn't know the market is very competitive because it's like tech layoff, she didn't know, she's like, oh hoody crap, I'm competing with Google PM, but she used a part of strategy, the portfolio strategy. So the first round interview, she was like sending her portfolio, the whole time, oh wow, you know this, yes, yes, see my portfolio. So that's the most important part I want you to do, but without taking a bootcamp, you literally don't know how to do it. I don't suggest people to fake it. Why, I have someone so funny. I have someone, people need to understand. I literally don't care, you take my bootcamp or someone else's bootcamp, but what I really care is, people just want to do free stuff and hope to have significant outcome in their life. This is crazy. I have people from Brazil reaching out to me, saying, hey man, oh my goodness. In Brazil, I'm only getting paid, I think that $250,000 per year with many like 10 years PM experience, many years to only 250. In the US, like with her, it was his experience, we get at least 200K or 300K. My lowest paid entry level fresh graduate in the US getting paid $85,000 per year on the graph, no experience at all getting 85K, so you're clearly on the pay, you also know it. And then his most funny part was like, how can I land a US job by doing everything by myself for free? I said, I don't know. I don't think there's a solution. You're freaking getting paid $25,000 per year in Brazil with 10 years experience. Now you want to get paid like 200K or at least $100,000 in the US by doing everything for free. I cannot provide those solutions. I don't think anybody out there can provide such solutions to give you significant 10 times his income by doing things for free. If everything is free, everyone will become steep jobs to be frank. It's like there's no investment, there's no return. People's mindset is very wrong. So what? You got a job, you don't know how to do the job. You don't even know how American company do the job. I don't care how exactly you land a job. Maybe marry someone, get a job. And then you don't even know how American people do it and you did something in Brazil. You think those two countries are the same? Or you think you can keep your job during like layoffs and recessions? People's mindset are freaking weird. Seriously, I literally don't care if people take my book and not, but I really care people think about, let me just do things for free so that I can get free, I can get significant outcome out of free stuff. There's no such thing. Okay, but I still believe that we had best outcome so our program, our student has the highest number of high paying jobs in the industry. We know we're the best. That's why we just tell everyone about our program. We know it's the best ever. But we have like free trials, certain day money back guarantee. Everyone can just check it out, see if it's good or not. We know it's the best, it's not the best. You don't enjoy it. We don't care about that. What I care about people is like, they say crazy stuff. They don't take actions. I came from training like five day training yesterday myself. My coach said the following. My coach said like, very great. It was like, people's time are measured. If you time how many average people live until like age of 70 in the U.S. So you just calculate how many years you have left. And the first 10, the first 20 years you have, you're just a kid, you're learning. Now it's from age of 70, which means you are between age, what is it called? 20, yeah, 20 to 70, you have 50 years. You're probably gonna say age 30 right now. You only have from age 30 to 70, you have 40 years left. You're halfway, almost halfway through your life. And you're still thinking, how can I just do things slowly? How can I just do things for free? And then I guarantee within 40 years old that person who want to do things for free cannot land a job in the U.S. He's still underpaid in Brazil. Like people's mind are weird because they don't consider time as a currency. Okay, you guys go out, find your best book out there. I know where the best, you can come into a free trial. It's not a basic money bag, we don't care. But you guys change your mindset. People are like, this bothers me significantly. Okay, check, you can watch our free YouTube training. You can do that, but no, significant account never comes from free stuff. Okay, so follow the steps and best of luck. Okay, cool. Did you yourself sign up for our masterclass to learn more about your program? Abhash? Abhishek. Abhishek, sorry. Did you sign up for our masterclass to learn more about our program? I have taken it a couple of times and I know quite a bit about the boot camp. Oh, know it? Yeah, I've no cons about the boot camp, but my question was that with the experience that I also have as an engineer over around five years, because I also don't want to discount that at all if I want to shoot for a PM job. Is there a way for me to position myself or do I have to start off at the bottom in the project that is a BPM or something, because it's a bit like a product. You're over-qualified for BPM, APM, you're over-qualified. You already have five years engineering experience, but you took a gap because you want to pursue your musician career. By the way, what kind of instrument do you play? I'm a guitar player. What? Is it guitarist? Guitar player, guitarist, yeah. Oh, this is very cool. They should post on YouTube for your playing. I do have a YouTube channel, yeah. Certainly to you, I want to check it out, very cool. Yes, no, you shouldn't start from APM. Why? Number one, APM is only available for fresh kids. Like kids out of school, they say, oh, this guy too old to be on APM, to be frank. It's like they won't even consider you. I have a student who already have two years PM, like entrepreneur experience. He never worked as a PM. He's an entrepreneur. And then in the past, he only applied for APM. And the people do not, does not even consider him. It was because he didn't package himself well. He didn't position himself well. And he landed like a PM position directly later on after our training. You need to repackage everything. Okay, your five years engineering experience is very relevant for management because you know how to work with engineers. You know how to improve the process. Like everything can be repackaged. They were like, oh, maybe five years is not like five year PM experience, right? Engineering doesn't equal the five year PM experience, but there's a discount. We can discount to two and a half years. That's good. So which means I will be qualified for just PM position. Not like APM, you say qualify for PM position. I think it's very, very reasonable. Of course, given you have a gap, I wouldn't qualify you for senior PM position. We do have engineers who have five years engineering experience at Pankoo and on senior PM title. He learns senior PM title. It's like crazy. Getting paid over $407 per year. It's like amazing. I negotiate his salary. Okay, he did it because he's no gap with five years engineering experience. That's no problem, right? But you have a gap. So therefore we discount a little bit. So it's all about discount rate. So what you have, how much we can repackage? Let's have a discount and they have a better match to, after discount equals to this. So that's your level in the US. So that's how it works. Yes. I think you just qualify for PM position. That's it. You're not APM. You're over-qualified. Thanks. Is there a way for me to figure out how to position? Like what position am I suited for, depending on the company that I'm applied for? Like for example, Big Tech Visa V, a small company. Is it like an L3 position at a Big Tech form versus like a small position at a small position? All our students have a three-page student survey. After the final survey, we'll tell them based on this, you match this, based on this, based on match to this. It's not standard. I cannot just tell you, not everyone watch YouTube. Oh, me was five years engineering experience and several years career gap. So I can go for this and this. That don't work. Everyone is different. We need to figure out what their past experience was, the discount rate, what's the transfer of skills, how much is relevant for what. That's why we'll have three pages during the survey for people to understand. Oh, that's you. Okay, great. This is you. This one, this is you. It's very different. There's no standard process. Right. So, I mean, it's a conversation that I guess I'm going to have, I'm going to have in depending on the company, if it's a CEO, then you figure out the compensation, the position and it's a big term, big, big tech. Then I guess they already have like a band that it please me, please me like a L2. You need to understand, you need to understand your, you need to, you need to understand what level you have before you go in. You cannot go as CEO. What level do you think I should have in your company? No. You'll get fired in the first, no, you'll get rejected in the first one, first round interview. You should know, you should know it, you should know it yourself before you go in. How you know it, you need to take some training. I'm serious. Okay, find your, find your favorite Brookham. I don't care which one, but you do need to take training. I'm frank with you. How do you know? Of course people analyze the background from this, this, this, this, this. Okay, for this, this level, for this, this level, we re-drop description figure out what's the best one. Okay, find your favorite Brookham and go figure out. And does that change based on if it's a remote position or if I'm working for them in the U.S.? Like you mentioned before, for a remote position that will... Depends. Depends. We'll look at the job description, everything. It depends again. There's no standard process, as I said, because everyone's different, every company is different. Same job, the title, even for Microsoft and Amazon, the title is different. For Google, Google called the intro position APM, but in Amazon, they called them PM. Microsoft, the RPM. There's no, there's even same fan companies. Their leveling is also different. Each one is different. Right, so maybe I'm having the conversation once that opportunity comes up. That's when I figured it out. You can figure out. You can do things for free, DIY want to, but I don't think it works to be frank. Yes, you can figure out yourself. And the way that I find that opportunity you mentioned, for example, for the U.S. market particularly just LinkedIn for reporting a remote PM job, please start up India. You didn't listen to what I said. I said for Big Tech company, LinkedIn, for small company, I'm Angel.co. Yeah. Angel.co, yeah. For startups, I know about Angel.co and I'm just an actor there. I meant for the Big Tech company, like a brand company. Yeah. Cool. Thank you so much for this. No problem, yeah. I was just saying that as an aside, I've put my YouTube channel in the chat, so maybe you can check it out when you have time. Awesome, cool, yeah. Please share our channel, the slide with other people as well, okay, and keep updated with me. Sure thing, thank you so much. Cool, no problem, talk soon, bye. Bye-bye. Now, let me answer a question from Nisa. Nisa said, recently moved to the U.S. was, you were a director, director of product in India for NASCAR, NASCAR listed travel tech company, called Make My Trip. Very cool. How about my work, working for companies, headquarters in the country you are from? I don't understand your question, Nisa. I actually, the question is not linked. Let me see, what do you mean? I was director in India, working for NASCAR listed travel company. How to match roles in this market, what level applied for? Oh, I see, I see, I see, okay, okay. So, you should understand the size of company. Make My Trip, I assume is median size. Company, how many people work for Make My Trip? Pauline Chen, you need to understand your value prop. Public-traded company on NASCAR doesn't mean that they are big. We have lots of small companies, they decide to go IPO as well. So it's different, it's very, my gym, my gym went IPO on NASCAR as well, it's called Lifetime Gym. Okay, so listed there, cannot tell is big or small, like my gym is listed on NASCAR, it's crazy. So how big is your company? So first of all, the formula like this, your company size equals to the, oh, 5,000 people. Okay, great, so median size company, great, very cool. So you have 5,000 company and then your direct product in India. How many people working for India? Do you know how many people work for India? Among 5,000 globally, how many people work in India? How many people in the US? You should break it down. Okay, so let me show you the formula. Okay, unless in the size of company and understand how the companies employ a distributed globally. And then, okay, most of India, I see, I see. Okay, so that makes a difference. So you work for a company, so basically majority of company, they're in India, they were in public in the US. So the lots of people working in India. So you are direct product in that company. You cannot be qualified for direct product in the US based company unless the startup. Okay, for the same size of company, you're gonna get a discount. Okay, so 200 in Middle East, rest in India, even though listed in NASDAQ most people in India, I see, okay, that's what I'm guessing, because I never heard of this company before. Okay, cool, all right, so now, this is an overseas company. Somehow they decide to go IPO in the US. Yes, you will have a discount. You will be discounted to senior PM in the US for medium-sized company. For medium-sized company. For startups, doesn't matter. For 100 people startup or 50 people startup, you can still have a director title in the US, startups different. Okay, for the same size of company, you will be discounted to senior PM. That's it. Yeah, the main reason is, it is Indian company decide to go public in the US. The culture, everything is different, it's different. Let's say if you work for 5,000 people, like tech companies such as my student, Priyanka used to go for Viva and then she jumped to Visa, right? So her company, I think she also probably traded in the US with 5,000 people. Her company is mainly in the US and then if you work for the branch of India in the company, it's more reputable because the company is more reputable. So yes, you will get discounted to senior PM in the US. Yes, that's your leveling. Cool, all right, cool. Do we have more questions? Let me see any people on Instagram can submit questions there as well. I can see people on Instagram there, very cool. Okay, so let me review as a pre-summit questions. My team did put more pre-summit questions. Let me go through those pre-summit questions. Oh, Abshak, you did it, you submitted already. Harley said, how to get an interview for PM Rose? Oh, very interesting question. We, I have many YouTube videos about getting an interview. So number one thing, how to get an interview for PM Rose? Number one, you need to repackage your product of our resume, you need to have a resume because your resume cannot represent who you are, your strengths and your skills. You will not get picked for interview at all 200% number one thing. Now, number two thing is you need to directly like build a product portfolio that's going to increase your success with any interview, those two things. And number three, you have more referrals into different companies who are going to give you a shortcut into those roles very quickly. Cool. In Jen, how can I line a job for a manager in tech company? I have many YouTube videos talking about this. So let me, let me show you the video. So how to line a job as a manager in tech company? Let me show you here. Let me do this. How to line a job in tech company? Oh, there it is, there it is. I have a playlist, you guys. All of you guys can just watch here. How to become a PM with no experience. I have a playlist, busy everything in the playlist. There is a summary video right here. I got to put a manager job even if I don't put a manager. Okay. So this one nice step to become a PM with no experience, watch this one. Okay. Which all the steps you need continue to learn how to make it happen. In summary, number one, repackage your resume. Number two, you need to create, you gain PM experience by attending hackathon, creating a part of the photo. All those is very critical and important. Number three, you need to figure out what is the best strategy for you to completely like tell the stories through the portfolio to land those interviews. And then finally to nail those interviews. So those are the four steps you follow. Okay. How to enroll in your PMI program? Very good question. Okay, so here is everyone who is interested in PMI server program, here's what you do. Go to this website. Documents.ly.com slash masterclass. You can go attend right here. So learn how to create a key to put a portfolio into weeks that will help you land the PM job offers during a recession even if you keep getting rejected. Okay. You come to this place. Documents.ly.com slash masterclass, learn more. And then you submit application, talk about a head mission. We'll see if it could fit for a program. Okay. Come here and select the time that works best for you. Okay. Here. See what's done with those questions. Oh, PMI leader. Okay, quick announcement. This weekend, let me go. Next weekend. Next weekend. We have our one day camp. You go to documents.ly.com and you go to our power skills. Power skills. And power skills. We'll have one day boot camp. Okay. So basically go to power skills on my website and then you have one day boot camp. You can directly sign up for a one day boot camp and then you can decide if you wanna join us for one year membership program. Okay. Cool. So it looks like I answered all the questions. Let me see more questions. LinkedIn. One more question. It worked. Nisha said you have work in Latin America, US market for a company having 10,000 people called OYO. I see. Cool. But I still think you're qualified for director part here. I think senior PM is very reasonable. Senior PM is very reasonable. Unless you are director for those company that's responsible for Latin America, US market, that's different. I don't think you are directing the level but you're only directing Indian company. Yes, you're getting discount. So senior PM is your level. Cool. But congrats, you already have many years experience. Great. Cool. Now we just figure out how to position yourself in the US market. Awesome. Cool. We have more questions here on Instagram. Wow, I have also people join in and out on Instagram. Very cool. Awesome. Cool. All right. Looks like I answered all the questions. Awesome. Awesome. Best of luck for everybody who is going through your job hunting process and people who are interested in our one day book hem to teach you how to get. Do your job better and get promoted in the US. She joined us for our one day book hem as well. Just go to doccurrency.com. You have different kind of places. I show you already which including the power scales and pro is the program teacher how to land a job. Power scales is one after a land a job. So how would you do better in your new job? Cool. All right. Great. Cool. I'm going to talk to you guys soon. All right. Have a good day. See you guys. Bye. Make sure to share this video. Like, comment and share this video. And thank you. Upshack. All right. Talk soon. Bye, guys.