 This is the SF Productions podcast network A walled season it has begun From the pop culture bunker I'm indeed and I'm mark you can check out our audio podcast how I get more free comics on iTunes or on our website SF podcast network calm So the Oscar nominations are in yep, but since I like to see how the other awards go before picking a horse I thought we would talk about award shows in general and we'll do a future episode of your actual nominations This sort of came up after watching the Golden Globes Oh my gosh what a train wreck that was Yeah, there's Miss Q. There's a lousy writing what there's always lousy writing presenters openly mocking the event. Yeah Host Ricky Gervais clearly did not want to be there. He was like This is what I always said he didn't have to be there I mean did they just throw so much money at him like I'm daring you not to bring me back next year Please don't bring me back next year. This is such a joke But the Golden Globes goes back to 1943 the Hollywood Foreign Press Association who's Various foreign press to cover Hollywood. Yeah pretty self-explanatory many of them actually no It's a very small very small number. They created the award to generate funds for charity Mm-hmm, and there's a history of controversy about the Golden Globes Potential winners were at least at one point told in advance That they were winners, so they would show up and also told it might go to someone else if they didn't show up And there's been rumors of paola and lobbying for nominations and the winners Yeah, in fact the FCC got so annoyed at the whole thing They got NBC to stop broadcasting it in the 60s and 70s because they said we're we're Telling the public this is an actual award show and it's really not Yeah in 1982 Pia Zidora won New star of the year after accusations that her millionaire husband bribed members of the Hollywood Foreign Press They don't give new star of the year anymore Well technically she wasn't a new star because it wasn't her first film. I know Santa Claus conquers the Martians. Hello. Yeah The tourist won best musical comedy in 2011 which was a spy thriller Musical or comedy in the lead just like the Martian This year, but you know they say that it's oh, we just let the People who made the movie pick what category it goes in. Well, you can't do that. I'm sorry gaming the system Like well, we think we have a better chance at comedy than we have so we'll just put it in comedy Even though it's clearly just like you know They take people who are clearly leading actors and put them in supporting nominations so that they get a better chance to win Yeah, for the tourist Sony gave members of the Hollywood Foreign Oppress They flew them into Las Vegas and gave them a private share concert It's sometimes a fun show and it can be an Oscar indicator The stars all say it's a fun show because they get to drink a lot, you know And so that can be fun for them, but sometimes it's not that fun watching a Roomful of drunk people and it's also one of the few awards in which you have both TV and movie people together And of course the movie people are given the the prior the best seats and you know the TV people are in the back whatever We also have the New York's Critics Circle Awards. That's a fairly good indicator It started in 1935 and it spawned similar awards in other major and minor cities For example, there is a central Ohio Critics Choice Award That one does not get any national coverage. There's also a Critics Choice Awards just in general that was started in 1996 There's awards for individual roles in the industry. Yes, there's the Directors Guild Awards in 1948 started 1948 writers Guild 1949 producers Guild 1989 screen actors Guild Awards in 1995 now the DGA The WGA and the PGA Awards are fairly good Oscar indicators at least in the last ten years or so They're pretty good indicators sag awards not nearly as much. Yeah, I think that actors tend to vote more for their friends, so yeah Now some of those you can actually watch on cable or internet, you know I mean most of them aren't on that networks. Yeah, you know broadcast, but you can watch them. Yeah, and Then there's the Granddaddy the Oscars started in 1929 and That first ceremony lasted 15 minutes and it cost five bucks to get it $5 in 1929 was still a bit of money bit of money, but still Newspapers were originally given the winners names in advance and then they were given an embargo to hold them until after the ceremony was over Yeah, just like they told us not to read the Harry Potter books in the back room before the release date Yes Until the LA Times published them early and this is when they started the secret envelopes in 1941 Thank You Price Waterhouse. Yeah, the actual statues have an encumbrance against them since 1950 Winners agree to allow the Academy to buy them back for a dollar And that's because too many people were like going bankrupt and selling them Yeah, yeah, and if they don't agree they're not they're given the award, but then they take it back They're not allowed to keep it. Yeah So NBC got the TV rights for the Oscars starting basically when they started putting out as a broadcast 1953 through 1960 in the 1960s ABC had the rights and then NBC has basically done it since then and has a contract through 2020 to do it, and I'm sure they're gonna re-up that if they possibly can yeah Bob Hope holds the award for most hosting duties 19 times followed by Billy Crystal at nine Johnny Carson at five. He was very popular in the 70s as the host Whoopee Goldberg at four and Jack Lemon also at four So do you think it's better when it's hosted by a TV person rather than a movie person? I Think that helps because they're a little more Used to that kind of environment right then the movie stars are like, you know, they don't have they they're not Performing to a crowd they're performing to a camera and they get many tapes. Yeah And to do something live that's a lot or even if you're doing it on TV A lot of those people if you're not on a live show are still more used to teleprompters and that sort of thing So yeah, you can tell the people doing the presenting are just like, okay, what? Webster's dictionary defines cinematography as Well, I love it. There was I think one point in the Golden Globes this time when one of the presenters said who the hell's running a teleprompter Now if you have refused the Oscar writer Dudley Nichols in 1935 for the Informer It was all due to conflicts with the writers Guild apparently at the time there was some conflict going on George C. Scott in 1970 who won for Patton called the awards a meat parade And refused to attend Marlon Brando in 1972 for the godfather Because of the film industry's mistreatment of Native Americans and he sent Shaheen Littlefeather to read a 15-page screed at the awards on his behalf and this began both the I have a cause Winner speech and the play them off music Good for you And there's also concerns over bias that have cropped up again this year Oscars so white Yes, is it more an issue of the Oscar voters or Hollywood as a whole? Well, you know, I'm tending to think Hollywood as a whole since they they also are you know talking about the films that weren't nominated and how You know, it's because you know, these are the things I don't know if you saw there was a clip that one of the talk shows did about here's what you need to do To be a black movie to get an award, you know, you have to have at least one spiritual song There has to be references to slavery, you know, so Yep So, you know, it is kind of sad when there's a formula for winning an Oscar if you're a minority But I think there's a formula for winning an Oscar if you're white too, so well, yeah I mean certainly and we'll talk about this when we get into the nomination later But that the whole idea of you know, if the actor died if they if they're in their role They portrayed some sort of disability or or being ugly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's you know, you know costume dramas tend to to do better than regular Period dramas. So yeah, there's absolutely a formula and as long as the the Oscar voter pool is Generally much older. Yeah, and that's going to be the case. Yeah, it'll always be older, right, but They'll have different prejudices in 20 years than they do now. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it So well right now you guys should look over the Oscar nominees and make your picks and then you can compare them to ours Right when we make our predictions in a couple weeks Yeah, in the meantime, you can check out our audio podcast how I got my wife treat comics on iTunes or on our website as a podcast network From the pop culture bunker. I'm Mindy and I'm mark. Thanks for watching