 Yeah, promise present here, $130 on the problem of taxes 7, which is one of the fundamental assumptions in, for example, in the month of April, and each one of those planes cost $50,000 tons of bombs. What this all might, 67, and it looks to me, and this is the roughest kind of estimate, it might require $14 billion, more obligation authority, above the level that we went in in November that we estimated $50,000. Now we knew at the time that was a couple of billion light. And now we take account of these much higher levels of troops, all these ads up to, let's say, maybe $7 billion to as much people as Joe Bowler and Gardner close mouths as they are, leak a little, and they do just sure as hell your great society programs in trouble. On the other hand, if I don't mention them, I don't know how they can intelligently advise you on what they think ought to be done here this summer. My own personal view still is, as I related it to you before, we ought to try to squeeze by the summer without a tax increase and without a supplement, and hope that between the summer and January, we would see the Southeast Asia operation more clearly, and we would also see the economy more clearly. But I didn't want to hold anything back from your key advisors if you thought I should mention it too. It's very difficult. On what I have said at 1-8, that we will likely miss that by on sales of assets which will not bring what we think, or we will not get authority to do it, and so forth. I would say that we, a conservative figure to go in will be four. As a matter of fact, I did it better than I thought it would, because I wouldn't have been too surprised to hit five or six. I just hoping if I could keep it low, I could get my great society authorized, like the rent control, rent supplement, and teacher's core, and all these things that are so new and fresh. We can't do that because the liberals are really not supporting them. You don't get any enthusiasm or do or die attitude from organizations like Martin Luther King and the Royal Wilkins Group and the Labor Groups. And the leaders of Congress aren't helping you. That's right. If a rubber cough had much rather make a speech on UN or something and tell us how to run that and try to get a headline, they really don't have the enthusiasm for these new things. So that will be four. Now then, what the rivers is and the morse is and the forward is on health and education on what we've already authorized. I'm not talking about their new society, but they've already, I caught them through last year and the year before. My guess is that they will hit a minimum of five. Four anyway. Say four. So that's another four. They say they're going to put in $600 million more on education under elementary. They added $500 million more on expenditures in health and education in this appropriation bill. They have already added a good deal of the GI bills, $300 million that we've already signed. The pay raises will be nearly almost a billion. So it's not far off. All of the expenditures would run better than three, between three and four. And that was before they started talking to me about the estimates the morse is going to put in. And I would imagine that as they go along, they'll try to cut a little bit on foreign aid and stuff. But please, I have visualized it in my own mind. Four for you. That's what I thought you would finally get up to. I thought you'd be off to start with and you'd misjudge to. Or the need would be to. Now that I have thought. Now the question is whether we could keep that under his deficit and maybe get by until January. I was now had a 12 and a half one. And we've always just had a rule of thumb that we never go above that because that would really be capitulation. We just have to throw in the towel, not even run if we had a bigger deficit than he did. So I have hope that, say June the 15th, I believe the Congress will be there the 1st of September, but June the 15th that I could call all the folks together and say, now here's the next two weeks and here's the way it's going to wind up as we see it. Now what can you do? What will you do here on taxes and talk to mills and long and a few who have their feet absolutely in concrete now? My judgment is if I indicated that I was going to have to have taxes. Now I should have taxes like Martin asked publicly. And like Gardner is privately. My judgment is that that will drive mills and long to a position that's irrevocable that will make them as much in concrete against a tax bill as they are now against rent supplement. If they can see these figures and business can see these figures in June and we have the appropriation bills pretty well behind us and the Congress has taken the initiative in busting the budget, not you, not me, not the bureaucrats, but they have come through with a four billion when big and they have refused to give us the authority we need to sell securities. Then I would think we'd have a better position, say all right fellas you've looked at a different way. I didn't want to go this way, but here it is. Now what do you think we ought to do? I think then they would say we don't believe we ought to go home with this big of deficit. Now economic things that come out with us one tenth of a percent one way or the other. I don't know, I look at our prices here and we've got a lot of soft stuff. Our mohairs folks are way down 30 to 22. Our cattle nobody will buy a calf. They just nobody. Now that's dangerous business. When their market is 28 cents and you contract them for August delivery normally and you can't get a guy to contract. Now we're delivering our sheep today. Our lambs I'm going over and ship them on the train in the next two hours. I'm selling 575 per pound. They weigh 100 pounds so that's 25. They have dropped our delivery between the 1st and 15th of May. They weigh about, and I put 40 pounds on them. But they have dropped in the last 30, 40 days from 2575 that I'd contracted three months ago down to about 21 or two. So there's your lamb. There you can. There's your pork said yesterday. He's working on a Chicago meeting for these sales. It's not soft. It's not clogging up on him. His colored radios and other things are just not moving. People up and down the avenue. We have eight salesmen. The main street in Austin. It's a quarter of a million population. And they really are not buying anything. Won't even advertise what they got. Just say that things are awful slow. They've got to hold out. They've got to tighten their belt. But that is enough for me to say I don't have to jump from May 15th to June 15th. What will be disasters for us is if we demand a wage increase like Martin, I mean a tax bill like Martin's demanding. Just fool popping off his mouth. And I wish that Martin and Gardner both could. If we demand it and don't get it, that's about as bad as we can go into election with the effects of it or the leadership. Whatever else you think we must not admit it. We must not even feel it in our own minds. But we're not going to get much out of the Congress. We didn't get the first six months. And you can just be sure you're going to get static. And what we have, the danger we have, is if we lose the Congress as we could very well, then the next two years as we go into election they'll tear the Democratic Party wide open and it will be in much worse shape than it was when Stevenson took it, 52, for the 68 election. Now they don't understand that and they are all talking about 72, but this fight's not 72, this is 68. Nobody that don't fool me. And our people are not just, the liberals are not prudent folks and they don't evaluate carefully and they don't see that. But you can't have Fulbright and Rivercoff and Bobby Kennedy and Teddy Kennedy and Mike Mansfield and everybody rush along will have a new viewpoint going in opposite directions and have a compact unified group. Now we would have been defeated in my judgment in 64, largely because that's what we did have. Nobody would co-heize during the 61, 62, 63 period. Really what we got through primarily was test ban and Peace Corps. We got none of the big substantive important things we needed, immigration and school bill and Medicare and all those things. Now we did get them through six months. So I would say back to your original question that I just wouldn't make my calculations. I would say to these people that you can't tell and no one can tell right now that Hoover had a mighty good period in 29 and everything was wonderful. But then the stock market started going off and things started getting soft and before he knew it by 30 he was in trouble and by 31 he was in a hell of a shape. Now you don't think that's going to happen at all but if we mis-guess this thing and if we took 8, 10 billion out in taxes and if something happened in the war that gave you a break you could have thrown this country into something right quick and therefore you think you better prudently look at it and see what effects you get from your bombing between now and June the 15th. You better see what the Congress does. You can't tell what they're going to do in these preparations. If they cut us 4 billion that would be good. If they go over 4 billion that's another action and you can't tell whether it's going to be under 4 or over 4. They say it's going to be under 4. Tell them you think the president thinks it'll be over 4. Be nearer 4 plus than 4 minus. That's the fair thing. I think you'd say that you could easily run 4 or better but that January, February, March you have missed it by a billion dollars if that's correct. I think January, February you even over 700 in March. I don't know what you do in April. Well, we're going to get it for the... Yeah, I know but I mean just... You're quite right in that. Then I think you'd get them to watch in the Congress transfer the gossip and the heat up there where they say it's going to depend on what you do, what we do. It's not McNamara made a fool mistake in Johnson and it's not us in decision. It's us waiting to see what you do. If you make a net change of 8 billion if Congress cuts it for, that's alright. If they raise it for, that's 8 billion difference and the 8 billion difference can really determine what we do, that's my thinking. And then the sale of assets, that's got a good deal to do with it. We plan to sell 4.7 billion. Now some of the market got tight and we couldn't do it and soon we didn't get the authority and we haven't got a rule on the bill yet. That's 4.7 that we count.