 But okay, so this brings us back something else and like I'm trying to wrap my head around this I talked to you guys a little bit about it But I am really infatuated and I think this is a big part of the 21 convention getting back to what we are made to be what we were born to be and You're around Keith you're around the paleo FX you're around all these got man these huge minds Skyler You know what I mean? It's like freaking being around the ultimate athlete in the ultimate PhD athlete You know, it's just crazy minds of people that are driving forward What is you know, how does that fit into what you guys are doing because yeah? You're running a business you have all this awesome efficiency at this high technology But I think for you the standard is a little bit beyond that Yeah, I bring up, you know born to be and what your body's meant to be and born to be healthy What does that mean? What is our natural state of health? Yeah, well, I think unfortunately we're far from it If you say what we're born to be you can you can look back at a great book called manthropology It's in the end topology You know we can see that I mean and I'm just saying this as again the dexa scans a humbler We're probably as strong as some females back back then, you know I mean and and and that kind of you know it kind of you know There are probably many females of those of those Eras that could beat us an arm wrestling, you know It's just we have kind of digressed if you will in our health and especially our strength And and that's unfortunate now we can you know what even if we're Delta bad genetic hand we can reverse some of that So don't get discouraged I just want to you know kind of give perspective that you said are we are we close to where we're born to be and I Think the answer there is no, but we we can make strides, you know back back towards it And then you also said something about you know Gosh just being around great around great minds our whiteboard sessions that we have every Monday are just a lot of fun and It does look like a beautiful mind in our our war room if you will sometimes where we just have all sorts of ideas and you know, we're You know, I think all of us I shouldn't say all of us But a lot of us are you know kind of this combination of right-brain left-brain to where we like to think creatively like what's next? But then we also like to come back to the science and the research and say well does that work And we have a great balance and chemistry right now, and I'm just you know, I'm thankful that we've got that going And and you know something like payload effects for example is a great opportunity for people to check out What is this ancestral idea this ancestral lifestyle? It's not literally going back to the cave in the spear although, you know, there's some there's some goodness if you will to being out in nature and things like that but But it's but it's checking out What are the practical steps if you want to get back to what you're saying born to be? What are some practical steps kind of where the rubber meets the road of trying to get back there? And it basically relates to kind of a nutrient-dense whole foods diet Some call it paleo, but again, there's there's even derivatives of that. I don't like to get stuck in the minutia and then also, you know some type of Exertion that relates to resistance training and again if you have the right tools or great tools perfect But you can still do it with with body weight and with other lesser means and lower-tech tools if that's all you have access to Yeah, man. I mean it's interesting. You brought up that let's say females Man over 10,000 years ago. Yeah that were growing up in kind of a tribal Culture or society or even tribal cultures now that their strength capacity is more than would you say the average man or even guys who work out in the gym? Yeah, I don't know. I mean I'd have to go back and look at some of the That book as I referenced but but I think that an average female then is stronger than an average man now I will definitely say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a low average But you know, that's interesting because like You know, I think with a lot of stuff with paleo and a lot of stuff with you know Is we're getting into this and even in your niche of efficient exercise We get so caught up in the efficiency and we don't get back into what it was really meant to do So I see a lot of guys in the exercise or fitness industry It's almost like we're getting so efficient that we miss the point And you know, we almost get obsessive with like all this sort of stuff and we you know get more stressed out and Yeah, you know, I haven't heard you talk too much But man when I hear Skyler and Keith and you know, really what's coming out of stuff at the paleo effects and everything really coming out of your Camp yeah, it's all sharing this message that we have to be like entirely, you know Healthy in a way and I remember asking Keith years ago years ago. I mean at least three years ago, you know What is what is stress? Yeah, he's like man the body, you know from what we know now You know give real humble answers like from what we know now we believe that stress is anything that is stress That's gonna throw off your nervous system when your nervous system is thrown off You're not thinking the same your speed isn't the same everything about you is taken down to a different Expression I guess you could say and that's where a lot of us are functioning on which is bummer. Yeah, yeah Well, yeah, I mean anything yeah exercises is a stress in and of itself, right? It's a stress that if done properly produces a better result But nonetheless, it's a stressor to the body and a lot of people don't like to think about that now Conversely, you're absolutely right. There's some kind of you know high-intensity training advocates Which nuts and bolts of high-intensity training has great premises. It's directionally accurate. Don't get me wrong But there are people that will take that to the extreme Just like a paleo diet for example, they can take that to an extreme Where you know, it's not about working out for 10 minutes a week in the right way and then sleeping Sitting on the couch eating Cheetos, you know, I mean you have to move you should be doing some other things and then obviously just keeping your mind active And again, what what this type of workout has done for me personally is it's you know, it's allowed me to be an entrepreneur It's allowed me to be a family man. It's allowed me to do so many more things because I Mean, I just have to be honest. I don't love the weight room like I used to and that's okay I mean, I still obviously I'm very invested in it and invested into developing the right tools, but But it just doesn't quite do it for me if you will like it like it used to that's that's totally okay But I'm excited if you will buy other things and so I think we have to discover that and to me the exercise done Properly is this this kind of springboard if you will and in the lifestyle of kind of like a paleo ancestral Diet lifestyle is just a springboard to allow you to be a free thinker to be you know Kind of what your what as you're saying born to be it gives you more energy more strength more endurance kind of everything really if you're doing it It's going to propel you if you will to be a better man better person