 In Davos, Antonio Manuel Vittorino, who's the Director General of the International Organization for Migration. Those numbers are awful. Any numbers are awful. We want to see an end to these waves of people. We know that the issues are where people start, not where they're trying to get to. Just take me through. Let's start with Libya, the Libya-European route. There have been some improvements, sir, despite these numbers. Why? Why are we seeing improvements? Well, we have reduced by 80% the number of arrivals, comparing 2018 with 2017, because there have been a number of actions that have been developed not only by the Libyan authorities, but the Libyan Coast Guard in guaranteeing the integrity of their borders, but also by the international community, addressing the deep root causes of migration and preventing people from moving. But let's be honest, the figure of those who have died last year is still extremely high, which means that a lot remains to be done before the journey starts. We need to persuade people that if they go ahead, there is a risk for their lives. One of the reasons, let's be quite frank as to why people aren't travelling that route as much as they were, is because the Italians have said we're close for business, right? Well, the refusal of boats entry in Italy is a decision of the Italian government. It should be in line with legislation, international maritime legislation. But there is a giant effort of a number of countries to save and rescue operations in the region. In fact, the Mediterranean today is a sea where the travelling has become much more intense in the western part than in the central part or in the eastern part. That shows that since never come to a close, we need to keep monitoring the evolution of the situation. Right. And I understand when you say we need to get to the root causes. We also must agree that we also have to put an end to the business that is migration. This is a multi-billion-dollar business, not just in the Mediterranean, around the world, with people earning... Absolutely. It's outrageous. What's being done to minimize that, to limit that, to find those who are making money out of people trying to move to a better life and putting them away? Absolutely right. Trafficking human beings, modern slavery, some people say as a profit equivalent to drugs trafficking worldwide. This means that we need to fight against those criminal networks, which requires, first, raising awareness of the potential victims. Secondly, having protection mechanisms to the victims themselves. Third, police and judicial cooperation in dismantling the criminal networks. And last but not least, not just lying with the operationals. You need to go upwards to the top of those criminal organizations and prosecute them and put them in jail. I want to talk about two other issues with you while I've got you here. The first is the story that is making headlines on CNN and networks around the world. And that is Venezuela. How big a problem is the issue of migration out of Venezuela as we see these rolling headlines? I think that the situation in Southern America because of the situation in Venezuela, we are dealing with a very serious humanitarian situation. We assess together with the high commission of refugees that there are roughly three million Venezuelans in the neighboring countries in need of humanitarian assistance. They flew from the country in very difficult, lively wood-seed conditions. And we are there helping them with shelter, with healthcare, with education for the kids, because now in the recent flows, it's time more and more women and children are on the move. But there is a need for a solution. And we see those women and children on the move in these caravans that the U.S. president is alluding to time and time again. We're talking about the smallest numbers compared to the numbers that you're talking about out of Venezuela. And yet that is front and center so far as the U.S. president is concerned. We are also seeing children in the U.S. being separated from their families as they cross these borders. What's your message to the U.S. president on that? My message is not just to the U.S. president. It is the world at large saying women and children on the move are usually, by definition, the most vulnerable migrants. So they need special care. And we need to guarantee that the families are not disrupted by the movement. But they are being... Migration journey is a very harsh decision taken by people. It's very painful from the human point of view. So I think that it is our obligation, irrespective of our political positions, it is our obligation to safeguard the dignity and even rights of the migrants. And when you hear the U.S. president talking about criminals crossing the border, rapists, murderers, you see the evidence of that? Of course we are dealing with a huge amount of people. They are good people and some of them will not be that good. With that we're going to leave it there. We thank you very much indeed for joining us.