 Okay, your life. Good. Thank you. Thank you, David. Welcome all to this presentation of the hyper ledger Latino America regional chapter. And specifically, the hyper ledger Paraguay. It is a new group within our region. And it's after their presentation. This is the first event that they are having. And we're very pleased both at the regional chapter and at hyper ledger foundation, you know, to have you as guests of this event. I think we're going to talk... Why am I speaking in English? I don't know, but it's fine. I was talking to David. Welcome all to this event of our regional chapter of hyper ledger in Latin America. And in particular, the group of hyper ledger Paraguay, which is a new group. It was with us. Its first presentation was its debut in society at the end of last year. And this is its first event. This first event is very important because they are going to share something that Paraguay has done. And that is a new law of trust services. And the application that that law can have to the technology of DLT. It's one of the best laws in the world. Sebastián is going to tell us, I think it's the fourth in the world, first in Latin America. I'm going to introduce the one who joins us today. He joins us, Lucas Sotomayor, who we thank for your presence. Lucas is an informatic engineer specialized in computer audit. He is the current director general of digital firm and electronic commerce in the Ministry of Industry and Commerce of the Republic of Paraguay. His specialty are the electronic trust services, including both the digital firm, such as the time stamps, electronic stamps, certification of certificates and transmissible documents. He is a recognized conferencer in these issues, both at national and international level. Sebastián, on the other hand, yes, Sebastián Guerrero is Eredia Guerrero. He is a lawyer of Córdoba. He is the new Andalusia Alias La Docta. Then you comment on that Alias. He is specialized in recording and distribution technologies. He is a university professor. And in the texts that you sent me to be able to present, I was greatly honored to include that he is a friend of Alfonso and Alvi Rodríguez-Faramillo. He is a friend of both, who is the director of the LACCHEN ecosystem. So without further introduction, I leave you the screen so that we have a dialogue where we know what it is, what it consists of and what possibilities this new Paraguayan law of trust services opens. With you, Lucas and Sebastián. Thank you very much Alfonso. Muchísimas gracias Ricardo, Fundación Hyperledger. Felicitaciones al capítulo Paraguay. Y antes de empezar, simplemente quiero decir que el paso que ha dado Uruguay con la ley que seguidamente el ingeniero Sotomayor nos va a explicar, es muy trascendental para la región. Es, como decimos en Argentina, picar en punta, saltar hacia adelante mucho. Y en este espacio de conversación vamos a estar comentando qué es esto de la ley de servicios de confianza de Paraguay, a lo que Lucas, un placer conocerte, nos podría comentar un poco hacer una ley en cualquier lugar, especialmente nuestras latitudes, es un proceso que es equiparable a tener un hijo. Me imagino que sentiste ese proceso, nos puedes comentar un poco cómo empezó esto que llega a hacer la ley que hoy tienen. Juan Eduardo, el trabajo. Muy buenas tardes para todos, para Alfonso, para Ricardo, para Sebastián, un placer estar aquí. Y efectivamente, nosotros nos hemos dado cuenta que todas las leyes que referían a cuestiones de transacción electrónica, documento electrónico, expediente electrónico, la estaban ya desde 2010. Y muchos de esos articulados no estaban a la vance de la tecnología o había cuestiones que podría hacerse de mejor manera o dar un abanico de oportunidades para pasar un proceso a un entorno electrónico. Y ahí es lo primero que se cuenta que en ese análisis procesado, lo que se tiende, se tendría que hacer es evaluar el riesgo que hay en ese proceso. Y ahí existe, y ahí sale la ley de los servicios de confianza, en donde básicamente lo que nosotros hicimos es tomar como referencia tres de un reglamento y dos leyes modernas. En primer lugar, y la ley se divide de esta forma en tres ejes fundamentales, ¿verdad? No, nos tenemos basado en primer lugar en el reglamento eídas de la Unión Europea para todo lo que tiene que ver con los servicios de confianza. Posteriormente nos basamos en todo lo que tiene que ver con documento electrónico, documento expediente electrónico, instalación certificada en la ley modelo de la CENUMI sobre firma electrónica. Y la parte innovadora que la que estamos comentando y la que vamos a profundizar hoy es también basada en una ley bastante, un modelo, una ley modelo bastante nueva de la CENUMI que se denomina documento estramisible electrónico. Y poder eso fue un gran desafío poder armar una ley de 106 artículos y poder defendernos solamente en el Congreso sino que ante toda la República porque como nosotros dijimos esta ley viene a ser la reforma del Estado más importante en los últimos tiempos porque va a transformar la forma en que operan las instituciones públicas y no solamente en las instituciones públicas sino que las traducciones o las interacciones electrónicas entre el sector privado, la función pública y el ciudadano. Muchas gracias Lucas, para explicar un poquito a la audiencia los antecedentes que Lucas mencionaba son de muchísimo impacto y relevancia. Y ahora está las leyes modelos que genera un citral o la Comisión de Naciones Unidas para Unificación del Derecho Privado que se dedica a abogados a proponer leyes que armonizan marco jurídicos. Así cada país no tiene un régimen distinto a otro y el comercio puede fluir mejor. Esos tres leyes modelos se complementan a su vez con el Reglamento Europeo de Intiidad Digital que está en la etapa de todos los diarios por estos días. Por lo cual Paraguay se está palancando en la experiencia europea de muchos años de trabajo heidas y en la experiencia de un citral dentro de Naciones Unidas de muchos años de trabajo también y está saltando como decía anteriormente al futuro trayendo a la región primer país en hacerlo. La normativa que se propone de Naciones Unidas para armonizar el Derecho Privado y por otro lado es, lo estuve chequeando Alfonso, la octava jurisdicción del mundo es el octavo país que lo hace, pero es el primero en nuestra región. Esto va a generar sin duda un alud, espero, de imitación. Como bien tú dices, esto tiene el potencial de reformar integralmente la forma en la que opera el sector público y el privado entre ellos y ahora yo quisiera preguntarte, Lucas, cuáles son los distintos servicios de confianza que pasan ahora a estar regulados en la ley 68-22? Como dije, en principio se vive en 3G. La primera de ello habla de los servicios de confianza electrónica. Estamos hablando de seis servicios de confianza. La primera de ello habla de la identificación electrónica que tiene tres niveles de seguridad y poder ser baja, sustancial y alta y el nivel de identificación de nivel de seguridad alta se equipara con lo que es la identidad digital. Con este tipo de operaciones lo que vamos a permitir es que muchos trámites del Estado se puedan hacer ya sin requerir la presencia física del ciudadano para hacer mucha tramitación importante y acuerda la criticidad de ese proceso se va a exigir uno u otro nivel de identificación francera a estos servicios. Tan solo con este servicio existe más de 90 servicios en el Estado que podrían rápidamente poder cambiar a un entorno totalmente electrónico y que ya no hará requerir que personas que son sobre todo en un país como el Paraguay en donde están todos centralizados al capital y muchos de estos procesos solamente se podrían realizar en el país. Entonces, en primer lugar, en segundo lugar, la firma electrónica que ya está regulada, basada en la ley modelo de la CNUMI pero lo que hicimos ahora es agregarle las publicaciones que plantea la media ida y agregar cuestiones muy importantes como la validación de identidad de forma no presencial para poder emitir de forma mucho más fácil un certificado para poder firmar digitalmente. Hemos agregado la firma en la nube que va a permitir usar firma digital desde cualquier aplicación o móvil que son cambios importantes. Hemos permitido la centralización de claves privadas que va a facilitar y agilizar y permitir experiencias como la firma de un solo uso que va a ser muy importante para lo que vamos a hablar más adelante en lo que refiere a los documentos transmisible en el trónico o el móvil contra y demás. Entonces, también hemos limitado a esa firma electrónica especialmente a personas físicas. Posteriormente creamos el sello de tiempo que va a permitir automatizar el proceso y la expedición de documentos como certificados, constancias de forma mucho más automatizada y agilizar el incremento de firma. Después hemos introducido lo que es el sello de tiempo electrónico que le da fecha cierta a un documento electrónico muy importante para procesos críticos donde la fecha, el momento de presentación o una documentación es trascendental como en las licitaciones públicas en los procesos administrativos o judiciales. Por último, le dimos validez a la autenticación de página web que, si bien, ya en todo el mundo se usa certificados para autenticar página web existen diferentes tipos de certificado y le damos un marco con el que estos tipos de certificado tengan unos requerimientos de seguridad mínimas para poder validar fehaciendemente quién está detrás de ese dominio. Y el último servicio de confianza son lo que se llama la entrega de documentos electrónicos certificados que va a permitir dar una trazadividad en el envío de recepción de un documento electrónico muy importante para en donde las cuestiones como notificaciones y demás son trascendentales en un proceso. Muy bien. Entonces, por un lado, tenemos distintos servicios de confianza que atienden a distintas necesidades desde el ciudadano de a pie hasta la persona jurídica, hasta incluso dar fe de una fecha para que los estudiantes actos, por ejemplo, judiciales y hablo un abogado a este lado y los plazos nos atormentan mucho, importante poder demostrar fechas y hasta horas. Ahora, quisiera preguntarte o pedirte que amplíes un poco con este concepto tan interesante de, por un lado, el documento electrónico y por otro lado el documento transmisible electrónico. Qué ves que se abre con esta posibilidad que Paraguay de nuevo pica en punta keep jumping from head to toe to a digitalized world in its entirety, to documents. Yes, indeed. We are a complement of the use of these services with Viança, and we believe that it is an example that will be, and for now, the use of another type of important document. And what is more important than the electronic transmissible documents? Sometimes I will stop in Guarra, in exchange, electronic check-in, with a lot of electronic transmissible documents that will be able to be done in an electronic environment. Today, technology, important technology, such as these trust services that we mentioned earlier, and complementary technologies such as the blockchain blockchain chain, will allow the full reliability of the systems that emit this type of documents and fulfill the characteristics that were previously impossible to do in an electronic environment. Today, with the appearance of these elements, the trust services, and the blockchain chain, and more, the third confidence that is before that procedure, the necessary elements are conjugated to be able to use this type of instrument in Paraguay. Instruments that are, as I mentioned, Lucas, I will pay for the exchange letter certified by Pósito Guarra. They are crucial for life and mercantile traffic. And seeing the text of the law, specifically some articles that, as lawyers, give me the attention, I see the 67, I see the 80, I see the possibility to instrument contracts in the broad sense of the word, among other things, using the different services that you have mentioned. First, we have to be identified, then the document, time seal, depending on whether it is legal. Can you imagine an electronic contract, absolutely possible, in terms of, for example, from Argentine Cordova, to be able to buy an immeasurable in Paraguay assumption, in a period of time, not very far, with three clicks? Indeed, we, to make this law, we have put all the conditions to make the best possible. So we give all the instruments, not only what we talked about, but we also talked about digitalization, we talked about electronic electronic experience document. So we have all the conditions to be able to do anything, any transaction or process that is done today in a physical environment. That is why we have also excluded, very clearly, the use of the digital firm, there is no limitation of the Paraguay, the use of the digital firm, the electronic quality firm, as we call it, the commercial law, which allows us to not only dream in terms of how we can take a loan from a bank, from a cell phone, from the Paraguay, from a company that automatically acts, an intelligent contract that can automatically execute, the questions that have been answered in a contract, to be able to execute it in a totally automatic way. I think that in the way that we have adopted the law, it is perfectly possible to dream with that type of documents and others even more concretely. It is totally fascinating, there are few places in the world where this happens, Estonia is one of those places, for example. And I think that, I say it with a lot of envy, but healthy, having them so close and taking the change from the region to these new dimensions, that in reality it is no more nor less than using the technologies of the times that we have, technologies registered and distributed, already quite excited after years of trial and error. I imagine a world in which digital inclusion is going to be very powerful. I imagine a world where lawyers will have to study, writers will have to study, technologists will be able to apply, but what I first see is a state going to the vanguard. In this case, it is the state that pushes innovation to all private sectors, putting a normative that, as we have been saying, is the most advanced in the world. You, in your role, imagine that citizenship is going to embrace these new elements very quickly, it will have to do training, it will have to involve universities, it will have to do events like this, many. What is your perception, your feeling about having the norm? Will it be regulated, will it be in vivore or is it already in vivore? What do we do to make the people, the community, appropriate for them? Let's start with the companies, the people, the state, until of course. Fix the rules. Yes, indeed, since the beginning, since the beginning of working on this law project, we have not only involved the state-owned organizations, but also the private sector. And in some of these elements that the law talks about, they are the main impulses to be able to apply this type of technology to these different processes. For example, we were mentioning, for example, the Warrant Electronics, a pilot project that is being done here in Paraguay, there is a considerable reduction in the use of the Warrant Electronics in the physical format. We have also gathered, we are getting closer to the main companies that are the ones that buy the debt, that are the biggest tenants of Paraguay, where they have also manifested, they are now in an analysis of the importance and the benefits that it will bring. And not only to these companies that are tenants, but also to their own consumer or their own weaker job in this chain of what they have done in this document is going to be one of the most favorable. Because today there are many problems in Paraguay, especially those that have to pay, that once all the crates are paid, all the obligation that is in that document, many times they are not paid or disappeared. Now we can imagine that in a moment when one gives the bill to pay his account, automatically that Paraguay is going to close and have value and it is going to lose total value and security efficiency. And so there are many, many in the intention of the public and private sector. And also here it is going to resume the issue of the identity of the electronic entity that is going to have a digital form certificate and not only that, but also the law, this same law that the National Police must give with that identity identity an identification of digital security level. It means to give you digital identity, not only your physical identity, but it also has to give you digital identity. That will allow that with these two services, which are the main ones, it can be more sophisticated, more sophisticated for people with reasonable costs to have this tool, which is the first that is needed to be able to give services that need this tool and facilitate creativity. Totally. The first is the identity and from there we can build more transactions, relationships, access to services of the State and private sector. I was thinking, while you were naming the example of the warrants and the deposit certificate in Almacenes, that in the end of the day my opinion, and I am an attorney, sorry, not an engineer, but I see that the registered and distributed technologies permeate where they can obviously prove that they generate efficiency and efficiency is often measured in saving costs, in improving times or in traceability, it depends on what we want to address. I imagine that the implementation of the electronic transmissible documents will generate significant savings in terms of administrative costs, not only warrants, not only will you pay, for example, the financing of the consumer, but it can also generate a security area, cryptographically secured, which can be a very important investment for Paraguay and again, in this logic, I think it is important to sensitize, to sensitize in the sense of explaining to the community, mainly the operators, the entrepreneurs, the legal, financial advisors, that this comes to simplify things, this pack of trust services, this is something that they come to do, is that someone does not have to go to the capital to make a pass and lose time and that they can do it in a digital environment that they can hire, that they can take a credit and that, that sensitization that is more or less, maybe sometimes to break fears so that people adopt, with events like this, the Hyper Laser Foundation, with events like the Paraguay chapter and many others that they surely have already thought of doing, it seems to me that they are the steps that have to be taken. I wanted to ask you, I specifically saw, and this comes, it seems to me, from a Citral, that the only exclusion of use of electronic documents transmissible has to do with the discipline of the negotiable values, the values titles, the public offer of shares or bonds, taking that world out of the capital market is more regulated, do you even imagine that Paraguay can advance towards a digital currency, for example? I think that all countries in the world are going to advance towards a digital currency and although that is going to be administered by other laws, by other issues, this is going to serve for something very important, although we are going to use blockchain technology to give certain attributes that must have electronic documents such as homicidity, traceability, and integrity, but when it comes to supporting an important document, we are going to start what is called the blockchain Paraguay, creating a new, initially an international, and then a new mix of the state with the public sector, which not only will allow to guarantee these attributes to electronic transmissible documents, but that experience for this type of use could be used for very important issues such as other, which are not electronic transmissible documents such as these networks, and among these could be one of them because it is not a currency. Fascinating, fascinating, the amount of things that come to mind, Alfonso. Sorry, sorry, I interrupted because as you are talking, I remembered what regulatory standards are in international trade. I was very much caught up in the references you made, Lucas, and that you emphasized, Sebastián, about AIDS and about the regulatory framework of the United Nations. And the idea that came to my mind, which, unlike Sebastián, I am not, I am not a lawyer, was after World War II. England began to open financial spaces in the spaces that were left out of the Empire. And then he began to work in euro-dollars, investments between foreigners, and being these foreigners and extra-territorial to the United Kingdom, that allowed him with absolute legality to the central bank, to say it does not correspond to us regularly. But, however, with the financial weight, it did correspond to them to be related. So the idea that came to my mind is, if they were created then with the advantages and disadvantages that we all know, those extra-territorial spaces that we call regulatory framework, we are not doing the same in this new world of identity and digital trust. We are not doing the same with this Paraguay law, in the best of senses. And that's where the questions that Sebastián is asking. I mean, could it be that for our region we have cultural similarities of regulatory framework or similar legal structures? It could not be the case that Paraguay was a territory of trust for the whole region and for all those who trade with us within our region. And that space that we are creating could be the source of trust. In this new foundation that Linux has, which is called Trust Over IP, that is, trust on the Internet. This TOIP, which is Trust Over IP, trust on the Internet, is a new layer. A new layer that, in the background, depends on the source of trust. So what I see here, what I hear in the dialogue, and I'm sorry for the interruption, but I couldn't handle it, is that Paraguay can become one of the sources of trust, the first and the most important for the region. Lucas, I'm going to tell you that yes, I think the step has been taken, now we have to implement it, and it seems to me that you are seeing that, and I'm seeing that, and we're all seeing that that's going to happen. Alfonso, that's the big challenge we have. I think we have made the first important effort and it was not less to achieve that, to learn this law. We have finished regulating it. It was easy to regulate the part of the electronic transmission, because it was not something that had international legal experience, or many countries in which we could refer, but thank God we were able to do it, and now we are in the test of the game. The pilot projects are going to start, and the way that these pilot projects for each one of these, and I can make them profitable, sometimes I'll pay, I'll check, they will be reliable within the Paraguayan market that we can achieve the legal aspects that the law raises, I think the next step is to manage this and a natural step, since we're taking the lead, it's the use of your power. I'm going to... I'm going to support you, Sebastian, because Sebastian is insisting and I want to support him in the commu. And I want to emphasize it, not so that we can resolve it at this moment, because it's very possible, it's very understandable and valid, that we don't know the impact of the extraordinary we've already achieved. That always happens to us. So more than a judgment of value, insisting on the commu is to make us think and make us dialogue more and more in the team. Not only using the chains, the nodes, all the technology that can be done, but the same with the human plan. The commu is not to judge, the commu is to know what's missing or what we don't know, at least, and to start building it together. But if we're clear on the objectives, how do we do it? I support you, Sebastian, and I leave the floor to you. Before we move on to Ricardo and Eduardo, because this is to see, to believe, I want to close with a quote from a judge, he was obviously a lawyer to make it, which is that trust is a perfect substitute for information. You trust when you can't access the information. It's not that bad, there are many cases of symmetric information. What we're going to see right now with Ricardo and Eduardo is just how we can have access to information and trust in information. Trust services, 6-8-2-2, trust in what humans need to interact and what we're going to see now, I think, it shows, if we press a button sometimes, it's a sample of what you can get to have with the legal framework that you already have in Paraguay and that the region should quickly imitate. Ricardo, you're muted. Thank you, Sebastian. Greetings to all of you. Well, the exposition of Lucas and the questions of Sebastian were excellent. I think people are going to understand perfectly how the law is directed towards where it points, therefore, from that point of view we are more than happy as citizens of Paraguay, that there is a law in this sense in such a way that we listen, right? In such a way that we go towards where it has to be, that is, creating the new business models, the vertical models of business about the concept of DLT and specifically about blockchain. From that point of view we are very happy, we are going to do a presentation of what we have. Hello, are you listening? Yes, we are listening. Well, we are going to do a presentation. Edu, how are we with our presentation? And then I derive you with your MVP. We can do the presentation of the PPT. We are going to release. We are going to share a presentation to be able to explain. Perfect. I think that now I am going to do a small presentation and I will take care of the development part and make the changes. We have a lot. The problem that we currently have is how the issue of trust has just been released and the speed of the information that is reflected in the current data structures. The problem that we have is to ensure digital documents to point to a world where everything is in a way of dignity and in a way without paper, without structures that are truly digital that can interact with each other and it can be as you said to be faithful. I repeat. Our idea about this MVP that we are preparing is the digitalization of all the documents that have been developed on block change that offers the security and the ability of the data so that this structure that we can generate between the different channels of the data can be a transparent interaction that is a secure interaction with a traceability that allows these data to be modified in time. This infrastructure that we want to create is more or less this project with some sustainability in time within this platform and projecting the future in a way to contemplate is that this technology can arrive and this platform that we are preparing as a technology as a technology based we use IPL-Fabric which is our detail so to speak who has done a lot of work the versatility of the platform a lot of good moments at the time of starting to build our MVP our small platform we have been working to build a much faster for our beta and for the tests that have been really a pleasure to work with with this platform that is evolving every day more it has been enough we will go to our our little sample what we are currently using within the platform that we currently have we are currently working as a recent experiment with Docker we use the Docker structure to generate a new scheme of Spark and also connect to my remote writing with which creating using the base of the Fabric that by itself and Pelleche I have not tried I do not know where the screen will pass the next screen I do not know if you can see following what we have been seeing we as we are working with Docker it is a Docker of this which is our main laboratory using all the tools within its getting started inclusive and some tools that we collect from and open source we were creating a smart contract about the handling of payments the structure of the smart contract is quite quite intuitive to generate very little very little code compared to our tools with a structure that can be quite complex within this scheme later we generate using the platform that inclusive IBM has provided in a free way within your code to generate the gateway to connect that smart contract to our network that we already have this structure that was generated as we see it allows us to generate and send the different commands that we already have inside of our smart contract to generate data, to generate, to read and to burn information inside of our network it is already direct the communication is by Jason by jQuery it is a direct platform but technically any API like POSMAS can be connected with the correct credentials to connect with the new ones within what we have to generate we generate a new asset I already have a new a new chain a new data to enter we have generated a new asset with this ID a copy you can bring the exact package of the information that we have this information that we generate is an information that we are providing from a system at the moment it is working this way you can add new data that can handle a relatively high amount of information inside the blockchain to integrate within this chain we have the option to burn this same we are going to burn all the information that exists within our blockchain currently it is a sequential information so that it is it is not editable unless we generate inside the blockchain that I send in the same way in this API we generate a certain level of flexibility when manipulating information within our blockchain this structure is generated this is specifically generated to pay the electronic getting the information based on the pair and the structure for the movement and the transfer of information the transfer of the human part of what we have mounted inside this structure is what we have to show in this way we are at the step of generating the corresponding API for the generation of other ways that are in our incubator fantastic well thanks to Edu thanks to Edu thanks to Edu well, thank you very much Edu for the presentation in fact it is a work that we will continue to present we have other options as we are developing the Meetup in HyperLayer Paraguay together we are living some more with HyperLayer in Latin America Alfonso, I thank you very much for the opportunity that we are doing with you to work on this, to present this the law is a question that apparently is born in Latin America as with Paraguay being first but obviously we have the security and it can be projected what we are seeing here we will also present the law to have the possibility to know what it is doing and take that challenge that you raised Alfonso, the issue of IP, the fact of IP security, that is interesting, that interests me so we will see how we can develop it Paraguay can also be part of a new technology, a new layer of sound that comes as Latin America can you hear me? as a Latin American chapter regional chapter of HyperLayer we have participation in 12 Latin American events this year both in Peru and there is the possibility of having not only a panel of chapters but also a workshop at the moment that started talking about Eduardo and about the importance that this law has for the region I call them if you like we propose that the panel can do about the law and the workshop can do about what you have been developing if you take that other challenge we can go out of the webinar with a lot of pleasure to coordinate the participation that HyperLayer Foundation is having in these two events because it is a sponsor and within that sponsorship has given us the space as Latin America and I think it would be very important to start to spread in Latin America this that Sebastian Agudeza has detected I have to check how it is said in Argentina and there were here my notes pick up at the end that is what the Paraguay brothers have done and we are going to have to wait because it is marking a path congratulations to all the organizers of the event to Lucas for the Titanic a law that is to have a baby to Ricardo to Eduardo congratulations for already having an MVP and there is a world that has no end so I am delighted to collaborate and thank you very much for the invitation to be able to participate in this event Lucas, are you there? Just like Ricardo, I don't know if you had questions from the audience Yes, I'm going to look at the invitation so that I can formulate the questions they don't appear well, anyway you can open the microphone if someone wants to do it directly perfect ask them to raise their hand and you can open the microphone correct so that they raise their hand well then Lucas, are you there? we don't have Lucas, that's the issue Sebastian consult a little talking to see if we recover Lucas so how are you seeing this law how are you seeing this law that in principle is replicable at the regional level there would have to be some modifications how do you see it from the Argentine federal office well, Argentina has a digital law of the year 2000 it was the first law firm of the model firm and the truth is that it has been obsolete, it has advanced despite the law, there is a remote digital firm that works pretty well but it is necessary to update the law because for example the title of electronic transmissible documents would be critical to have something similar to what it has in Paraguay just to be able to dynamize large sectors of the economy that are already very digitized in the last two years at the beginning everybody thought how to send this today everybody uses the electronic check the electronic bar when you look at clear rules the trade if you see it useful it adapts the citizenship if you see it useful it adapts and I believe that the 6822 nourishes a lot of European advance of a digital after the step that has been pointed to Paraguay it has to do it all in the region we hope that it happens soon meanwhile we will go to Paraguay and do a lot of things that we can do there with legal security absolutely we are waiting for you on your side Alfonso how do you see the subject a comparative with Mexico for example I see it interesting Mexico has electronic firm it has all the transfer system if they start the electronic certificates yes but it does not have this connection to the United Nations and we have not contemplated this I say it I saw it today in the dialogue I learned in the dialogue of Lucas and Sebastian the possibility to open sources of trust in digital spaces that can be extraterritorial but that a country leads that that country leads the creation of these extra-territorial digital spaces but legally tied to a source of trust that has the value of that country so the projection that we can start is to say we already have a country in Latin America that responds to European identity which is the most advanced and that responds to a legal framework of the United Nations so what can we give that regionalization that regionalization of that source of trust create such an extra-territorial trust but founded in a legal framework of a specific country and that we have to say it, repeat it evangelize it evangelize it and let me tell you something we have other questions we have two questions let's go to them Eduardo there are many cases where technology can be applied but do you have an idea of what the first step will be? I mean do you have the first thing that will be digitalized? yes that can be answered Sebastian but he answered he answered Lucas six services of trust those are the things it is the electronic identification the electronic signature the time stamp the electronic stamp the authentication of the web pages with a new recommendation and the electronic documents and transmissible those are the things from the private sector to respond and complement the response you have given to Eduardo and the first thing that comes is the digitalization of property titles I throw you that that is the first thing that comes that is what is going to be taken as the main objective to validate this concept of 6822 because the property title is a title with real rights and from there it will begin to digitalize so that it can also transfer electronic documents so that I complement you there Sebastian, what do you think about it? of the eight countries that have already implemented the Paraguay law being one of them there is one that is very small it is an island it is called Singapore which is a country referring to the digital economy and the adoption of Paraguay and what Singapore is for Asia in many terms of international trade, digital transformation can be Paraguay for our region that is what I believe and especially taking into account that you can advance towards, for example digital digital domain titles graphically secured the infinite, let's say there is no roof for the amount of things that can be efficient at the end of the day we pay more for the consumer because it has a digital payment guaranteeing what it has asked for transfer and more rapid furniture almost in real time perfect title writing let's say many things, many markets in many sectors can be efficient of the nth power of course you have to think step by step the captain of the selection and really step by step the first identity of the people and of the organizations once we have a robust identity from there we build rights, obligations, contracts, transactions we have a thank you from the lawyer Daniel Sagarías he says, more than anything, many congratulations to the legal and technological team that was in this and to the exhibitors and to the hyperledger chapter something great comes with this to be in a giant step in this law 6822 Juan Carlos Velázquez says how would the formalisms of the civil code be for those who will pay and others who are equivalent to personal rights or real the question we were answering is very good the question Juan Carlos, the text of 6822 in several parts refers to the beginning of non-discrimination that is, every time you see signed document in the civil code or in special laws it must be interpreted that this signed document will be able to be replaced in a moment according to the regulation using providers of trust services licensed by the authority by electronic documents with electronic signatures therefore, a world of possibilities is really that it will be a world in which to be able to operate you have to license, there will be a series of controls requirements to comply with the companies that lend these services to guarantee the seriousness of their service and the state mediating in these new possibilities because really there are many that are open for lawyers, for notaries it is a challenge but I tell you, do not be afraid of change see what is being done a citral and even inside and outside the ono ecosystem in what has to do with the private right in the convention of the private right it goes all the way to these sides it goes all the way to these sides therefore, it is time to study for lawyers, I tell you as a lawyer, I speak as a teacher too, for the writers too do not be afraid, study you're back Lucas, we were chatting I have a problem with my audio ok great well, Lucas we were talking a little bit about everything that is the law we were also answering some questions that they asked us, I repeat the question so that you can take it into account there are many cases where technology can be applied but do you have an idea of what could be the first step? I say, do you have the first plan that will be digitalized? in this case, from your vision what is what you see that first comes out Lucas in what is electronic transmissible documents the first will be Warrant the pilot project that is more advanced and where all the actors are participating in this pilot project and I think in very short time will be the first type of electronic transmissible documents and later in the second place will be the payments the problem with the payments is a matter of costs all these technologies are necessary to give these attributes to electronic transmissible documents Lucas wants to issue a payment for the purchase of $70,000 or $10,000 it is not the same as a payment for a purchase of a vehicle that is around $20,000 or $30,000 which would be $140,000,000 in the currency in Los Caloras so that that complexity you have to see the issue of the firm of a single use the technology that I am going to apply so that at the moment that I am going to buy a credit a single credit you have the ease to be able to get this type of service as the firm said there is time and more and it also has to be supported the technology of the blockchain so those are the challenges but I think we are on the way things are starting and above all the interest of all the companies has already started very good Alfonso I leave you the word well if there are more questions no, no thank you all your participation thank you to the audience for being with us for giving us the following I have asked questions to thank Sebastián for his extraordinary dialogue and to Lucas for accompanying us and presenting but I think what we should really thank you is the paternity of that baby that Sebastián used that metaphor and that we all know very well in our own flesh because if we don't have but if we don't have children we all have been children so we know to continue with the metaphor that it is very difficult that gestation and that birth but that once it was born it is the beginning of a whole life with what that means how are we going to feed that baby how are we going to educate it how are we going to connect it with the rest of the collective both local national and regional that is the baby was born the baby I don't know how to say it now in this language that evolves more and more politically correct I am almost always incorrect I apologize but thanks for that work you did and we would like to be able to accompany and help the community take care of that baby to have more babies excellent totally if we don't have more things that you would like to add it gives me a lot of pleasure the push of the Hyperledger Paraguay group if I reiterate the support of Hyperledger Latin America and then with David the support of the foundation here we are we continue doing things together and have a happy night late or early in the morning in California thanks Alfonso I want to thank the people who have accompanied us who are leaving their greetings there Beatriz Ornela Diana Caballero the lawyer Daniel Sacarías Juan Carlos Todos they are people who have accompanied us and all the people who have seen us from now on they will also see us on YouTube because we will leave that recorded there so that we can continue commenting and thank you very much Alfonso Sebastián Lucas Eduardo and to all the people who are also writing Norma López out there thank you very much for all the support you have given us and a special thanks to Mario our support here in Paraguay that is also within this topic and well let's see where we arrive thank you very much for all the support greetings from the doctor thank you very much thank you Lucas thank you all a hug also thank you David thank you everyone ok bye bye bye