 You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be And don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell So you are notified for when my next podcast goes live And boom we're on Hi there man Yeah and today's guest we've got the ghost Yes indeed How are you big man? Not too bad, not too bad at all 20 years in prison, come out, changed your life Great story Yeah You mean that well, yeah but 646 646, I feel like, do not have to be honest with you I think I've been about 646 since 19 years old But yeah I like to think I'm 665 now My growth just literally just stopped still And I was kind of hoping for a few more inches I think mine started me when I was 12, 13 Yeah yeah That's it How's life bro? Yeah life's not too bad you know Just after a long time trying to reintegrate into society It's a nice change from where I've been you know So yeah, I'm busy man, the world moves fast Good Before I get into it I know I would like to go back to the start of my guests Get a better understanding about you Where you grew up, how it all began So I'm a Kenningtown boy So you know I was born, I was actually born in Uganda So I came in when I was a kid Came in when I was 6, 7 years old And I've grown up in an area called Kenningtown in Yom I went to school there And I went to, my secondary school was always there as well So to be honest with you my trouble just started Since I've been a kid I've been kind of like a You know like a troublesome kid growing up You know those kids that you always have to share to stop doing stuff But I feel like my life kind of like A downward spiral when I got to secondary school Always does it when there's girls and there's lads that are Out of school doing extracurricular activities You always get caught up in stuff like that You know it always starts off smoking a bit of a puff and The rest just goes down the rabbit hole What about your family? My family, I'm from a good family to be honest with you I'm from my mum, my mum She's a working woman, my dad as well as a working man But they split up when I was 16 But they're the good people The black sheep of the family No not such a black sheep but back then growing up I was the black sheep of the family See before this plot up where you kind of carry I say the usual suspects smoking a bit of a puff Getting a bit of trouble in school like minor stuff Having a thing came to okay I was like tell, tell, sayings I actually didn't make it through school I didn't finish school What age, what did you get expelled? Yeah permanently for selling drugs in school Yeah I got caught, I got caught trying to It all started with once you start smoking a weed You have to find a way to finance or Do you know what I'm saying, support your habit So I got an idea, brilliant idea as a kid I don't know where I got it from Maybe if I start dealing a bit of weed myself That would be able to finance or be able to support my I'll be able to smoke for free So I don't know what got into my head But I thought you know what School would have been the best place to look For clients and it was the worst idea So I sold drugs to a young kid in school And I think the kid He must have smoked a bit too much And he wasn't responding to his mate So two young kids come up to me And they said to me you know if you got some weed for sale So being a bit suspicious I asked him Who's told you know all that type of stuff And they're like you know everyone knows in school And blah blah blah So I thought you know what Alright boys that you know They got their little coins out They got their little ten pound bag Went around the back of the music block And they rolled it up smoked I don't know what happened It might have been an epileptic fit I don't know what happened And you know what funny enough I've told this story in the past And I've had people in the comments saying He must have had some hard drugs in there But you know what Drugs respond differently to everyone in it So yeah now he had an epileptic fit His friend didn't know what to do His friend run to the school teacher The nearest teacher You know you always get teachers patrolling the school grounds And stuff like that Grabbed the school teacher I said you know what My friend's not responding very well You know and So the teacher came around He could smell that the kids had You know been taking something To be honest with you kids you can tell You know someone's been taking something That pupils dilate and stuff like that And he asked him In order for us to get the right help You're going to have to tell us what's just happened He said yeah we smoked some weed And They asked him who did you get from So you know Who else other than me you know The kid pointed out that it was me At the time I didn't even know I was in school I was in class actually I was in class So the police got called in You know I just sat In the class You know I get called out You know I had the class To be honest with you One of my friends Is here with me today He told me listen You know I've heard the police I've heard the police talking about your name What have you been up to So I kind of like It taken me by surprise But I still had weed in my bag You know I remember it was a black night bag And at the time I started panicking So when my friends come to me They said listen I had this Teacher's poking outside the police What's happened you know I asked the class Kind of used to be like the popular kid in class You know I used to give people a hard time But also I'm kind of like you know Cool type of guy And I remember this one kid Right this one kid Volunteered to help me And I've been wedging this kid for years So out of the whole class No one actually responded To help me because at the time I was panicking right The kids stood up and said yeah I'll help you So at that precise moment in time I felt guilty because I've been wedging this kid For a long time I remember the kid as well And his name I remember everything about this kid You never forget this shit right So the comedy knock on the door And I said yeah Adam said that's my name He said can we have you out please So I stepped out of the classroom So I've got a bird call I've got a heads up that the police are here So I stepped out anxious I said what's going on They said yeah we need you to step in this room So obviously there has to be like a present adult That's responsible When the police are just questioning It wasn't like questioning But just asking questions in exchange They asked me We've got word that you sold some drugs to some kids And they're not responding very well I'm denying everything Swearing blind I don't know what you're talking about I had nothing to do with me Next thing I hear a knock on the door Knock knock knock The same black bag that I gave this kid Who I've been wedging He's handed it over to his teachers And to be precise with you I swear I could see him Through the gap he had a smile on his face And that was it man That from then onwards My life just literally sparred out of control From there you get kicked out And to be honest with you I think that's the first time I've ever been arrested as well They took me to a police station And they held me in a police station Because obviously I had the drugs So they held me in a police station Recently I found out that that kid Obviously you know that kid was a He was a cadet He was an aspiring police cadet Sonia's of recently I found out that he's actually a police officer now You're snatching me You're snatching that You're snatching that I found out now he's a police officer Someone messaged me and said Hey you know that story that you were telling Do you know what that kid is now Because obviously one of the kids I was in school with I said no I said yeah you walked by him Because obviously I said his first name In my last podcast They know exactly who I'm talking about I said guess where he's working now He's a police officer Now I'm like fuck it You know what I mean But calmer in it And from then you know Obviously once you get kicked out At school you go to Centers You know that centers Now school units are like You go to like Community centers and stuff like that So it's not quite school For the kids who can't Yes, yes kids that got Behavior issues and stuff like that So you go there And once you go there And you start mixing What other kids just like you Game over This game over man What did your mom say? Oh man you know I do not The amount of stuff That I put that woman through You know in my life It's only now that You know once you get old You start to realize The stuff that you put Your parents through And you think to yourself Whoa you know How can I put her through this Cause that's not the first time I've been in trouble You know that was just the beginning You know so She was very very disappointed man You know you always try to Shift the blame Throughout my whole life I've always tried to Shift the blame like Obviously I'm not snitching I'm giving names But my mom asks You know when your mom comes To you as a kid Who's down there? She's like You know obviously you can't Snitch but you always have to Say someone Someone outside You know cause if your mom Finds something She finds a bag of drugs And she goes Who's of these? You have to say mom Cause you want to throw them away You have to say mom it's not mine I'm holding it for someone Type of thing So that's Just to try and Dam it down a bit And not make yourself look You know Get away Yeah not a bad human being Cause you want your mom To feel like she's failing As a mother You know Did you feel that then That you didn't want to Get this much Every time Every time you know Even rubbing kids in school You know rubbing kids I remember I came up With a stupid idea I've never really said this Before yeah I remember do you remember 33 10s So I never had a phone Going to school Now neither of my friends Never had phones So for you to actually Have a phone Like a big door So we're going back about I don't even know what year this was But these 33 10s Were like a big thing I remember once I wanted one so bad And came up with a plan We're still in school young And we pretended to Use this kids phone But we played Past the parcel And I ended up with a phone And you know Obviously the parents Came to the school You know My son's phone's been stolen And you know The parents come Knock on You know Find out where you live So this kids mom and dad Knocked on my door You know Looking for the son's phone And actually had it in there Saying mom look what a phone I found But I just rubbed it in school And that was an embarrassing situation For my mom as well You know Grubbing up You can kind of see The intricacy Because as I've grown up I've actually even realized Things about myself Is that I'm a pre planner You know I like to To cat That's me down to the T You know Even throughout the whole year The whole time I was in prison You know I always Obviously I had phones And stuff like that in prisons You know In prison you have phones And all that Contraband that you're trying To hide from officers So every time I'm walking through The prison Set up I'm always looking For hiding spots And Where can I hide this My mind never switches off You know what I mean So I'm always Consistently playing a game In my mind I never switch off So I've always I think I've That's something that I've realized As I've got older That I've always been The type of person I like to pre-plan And I'm the type of person That acts Calm When the lights are on But as soon as the lights are off You know You're an organizer I like to organize Yes What about if you're labeled With like OCD Or anything Do you know what To be honest with you When I was a kid I started picking up Like You know Even my walking pattern You know Like you step on that square I can't step on that square Yeah I started developing Something like that When I was a kid It's only And I had to fight To get out of that Because it was taking over my life You know Like I step on that square You know the little squares That you get Yeah On the road When you're walking I step on that square That square That square And eventually I realized that Yo Every time I leave my house This is becoming an issue For me I got to try You know And It doesn't matter what square I step on But as I've got an older I'm a Pre-planner man So what happens then After I was saying I was in your kingdom Skills over So So I went into selling drugs Weed Yeah Just a little bit of weed Full time And Obviously As you start selling drugs Selling weed I saw a bit of coke as well As it went on I started investing In guns You know I loved guns I've had this Obsession with guns As a kid growing up The first gun That my mom found Was a shotgun When I was in school No, not in school What am I talking about When I just left school So I must have been about 16 16 How old are you When you're 16 But you're in college Yeah When I was in college My mom found The first thing That my mom found Was a shotgun And she actually bin that She threw it in the bin Out of all places So My sister You know You know My mom just found I said What did she find She told me She found this big gun That you've been carrying around And to be honest with you I only had it To scare anyone Trying to rob me Or The guns were going for cheap That Them times as well I bought a 500 quid Yeah, 500 quid I bought a shotgun 500 quid I think about it now I think I probably even got Done over Because Was that sewn off Yeah, yeah, yeah It was sewn off But still Even though they're sewn off They're pretty So they're still very hard to Consume Yeah, very hard to consume My mom found that She thought she'd do me a favor Throw it in the bin The bin men came You know Pick up all the trash And just trash it And get rid of it So I was actually pissed at that She never said anything to me Up to today We've never spoken about her Throwing my shotgun The only reason I know Is because my sister told me You know If my sister's never said anything I would have never It would never came to mind that You know Maybe your mom found it Because she's never pulled me on it Second time around She finds her 4-4 Snub nose That I had A little revolver I had This one was easier to hide And these times They were dying They were expensive Because they They pack a kick Right And they They're easy to conceal So they used to keep it In a white sock Right I don't need I don't need to have gloves You know what I'm saying You just pull the thing In a white sock And you just shoot Whoever you need to shoot Right Those are really long You know the bullets That you get for the revolvers Are really long Fucking things intimidate And you're thinking Whoever I ever hit with this Is instant murder You know when you were 16, 17 Because we never grew up With any elders Or you know Like older boys To influence or doing anything This always solely came to us You know We had to Pre-plan things So we never really Had any outside Or older Influence Influence Why is that then Was that watching movies Computer games Where did you get that Do you know what I think it's just I wouldn't say computer games So we never used to play a lot Computer games or movies It's just So my area We never had any older guys But the neighbouring areas They had Like you know The older boys That would influence The younger boys at our age So we were pretty aware of this And we were aware That because we never had Any older guys If any situation Did come up And it gets real desperate We've got to be able To do something about it So we invested in guns We bypass knives To be honest with you I don't think I've even I think I've used a knife Probably like twice Or something like that But more I've used a gun more Than I've used a knife I've always been more of A person that prefers a gun Because it's a clean You know It's a clean It's a clean use You know One stop Drop And you go Rather than a gun I mean a nice Very messy A sentiment as well Yeah I'm not but also with a gun To be honest Surprisingly I'm a close up type of person I've always been close up Yeah no seriously I don't believe in Moving cars You know Because I've always seen people Doing you know Drive-by shootings That's a bit messy Now the police have seen What car we're in Or the witnesses have seen The car that the guns Coming from The bullets are coming from How far are we going to get away You know Before the police come on top Of us And we're going to be Trapped by cameras So I've always been One of those guys You know The guys we pull up Two roads down You know I take a walk I know exactly where you are Or you know Pull up outside your house You know You know A stolen car Fucking move the seats back Stop neighborhood watch from You know Seeing two buds Stilling outside your house For the past two hours You know Put the gun Two cars in front Yeah You know You always get the Parked off cars Two cars in front You put the gun You know The police pull up You know You're in there with a gun In a stolen car Now the person that you're about to Carry out whatever you're going to Carry out on Is aware that Two geese got caught Outside your house With a gun Or whatever That's nonsense Worst case scenario The police pull up And we have to You know Drive away The guns left behind Nothing You know You know None of them Wires are barred You know You know None of them Wires are barred I've always been a Very close up person I don't think I've ever done A bit of work From a distance Where does that Cold-heartedness come from Because anybody who uses A gun as well Over 90% miss Because it's This and shaking No, no, no I'll walk I'm real crazy Where does that Reflessness come from? I think it's It's So Me and my friends We I don't We want to spoil The thing as we go along So I've been I've been stabbed And stuff like that So You know I've had Because I had a A hip put on me You know Growing up After I had the gun Confiscated Got into a situation Where You know We Allegedly carried through An attack And it ended up coming back Being You know The person who Got You know Attacked was related To Like And then Money's Fucking been put on I only found out recently To be honest with you I found out about Seven, eight Years ago How much supposedly That money was And that was supposedly meant to be A hundred grand You know But To be honest with you Being stabbed That In hindsight Just I felt You know Feeling the pain And all that type of shit That shit changes A person So To be precise I don't know I've always been like I'm very Like I said to you The OCD type of thing I like to do Something clean And swift And you know Precise Yeah, precise I don't do To be honest with you I've never took out a gun Unless I was willing to use it And I've never really done any You know I've never shot at anyone Unless I've shot them Do you know what I mean? Not shoot them As to frame some of those After sale I've never Pulled out a shoot Or at anyone And just threatened them with it Or I've never pulled out a shoot Of someone I've never shot at them I've never hit them It's always been Closer to them Closer to them What you and me are right now I'm talking close Unpersonal type of shit But I'm also swift And I'm not one of those guys That get carried away And you know Yeah You know Fucking overkill and shit That's always been straight to the point That was the first time You got in serious trouble Which were on the street Or When I had that hit That I put on me I didn't take that shit serious You know How was that feeling For then Big unit Six feet four No, it wasn't At the time I was a 17 year old kid So you still Were you small? Yeah, I was skinny But you're small is probably still tall Yeah, I was skinny and tall At that time I Had a picture of mine Taking off that internet Because I used to try and do music You know When you're a kid You try to get into hobbies And stuff like that So my picture You know When you tried to One thing that I realized Is that why you could stop, bro? No, seriously Seriously One thing that I realized That you Like I don't know how rappers Do the whole gangster thing And You know You know Be on road And still rap about that shit Because if you've got Any worthy adversaries They'll actually put you on your toes Or put you on your ass You know what I mean If you've got anyone half as serious You want me to talk the shit That you're talking to And if you're actually Are involved like that And the cases are not solved You can't rap about that shit Otherwise You end up in prison I'm sure you're seeing that shit now Yeah, but Two-packing that Like who was the guy Who fucking talked about Who was involved in a two-pack Muddler? Orlando Yeah, no He says he was in the car Qffd 20 years later He thinks okay, I'm out And he's fucking singing Like an airy But the thing is That wasn't a closed case Never No, it wasn't a closed case One of the most Biggest unsolved murders of all time That's what I'm saying Like That was like the biggest thing And do not to be precise You don't do things like that Do you know what I'm saying? My shit I can talk about my shit Because I've done the time For my stuff Yeah, of course We talk about the things You've been charged with The things you've been Things that are unsolved If you talk about things unsolved Man, listen I don't mind people saying Allegedly that We're not daft as well Because they come back And bites us in the ass Do you know what I mean? But I watch people sometimes And I think They're talking right out of School The police ain't daft The police will be fucking Watching every podcast about Exactly Because of the names That are coming forward now Exactly And it's crazy And Keith E.D. Like a fucking idiot Yeah I think he'd done a deal When he was in Vegas or Miami But His deal was never to go back Into Vegas Yeah And they never speak about it Because he spoke about it Somewhere else He's charged Finished I would still love to know Who'd done it But I think I don't think the guy That he said Done it Done it Yeah Because they'll talk a lot Of shit as well But it's still interesting Yeah The whole world was Fuck Yeah That was bad How old are you? I'm 33 So still young Yeah I'm still young Do you know what I mean? So when you get stabbed Did that change everything again From I don't want to go through That again Yeah So When I got stabbed When I got stabbed That sent me even worse You know You get certain people To get stabbed or shot And they're They go legit You know You get certain people That turn into priests That teach you The word of God Hey Nothing wrong with that For anyone that's watching What's happening to you Just Everyone gets to cool In that different time So you can get Cooled It roped in Even deeper into the game Or You can say You know what I got a taste of that That's not for me You know But for me now I felt like The job wasn't done You know Because that precise moment At the time I think I was Picking up some drugs And cars And bikes Helmets Trains And stuff like that And funny enough I was unconscious When I got stabbed So I didn't I didn't even see Who stabbed me You know So all I remember Is I was getting put On a stretcher And This was broad daylight You know We're going back About 2007 Something like that You know It's years ago Alright And I was In a coma You know For a little while So when you do Things in your throat You know You know That tube in your throat And you go Tube in your You know In your dick And shit like that And you know You haven't been eating For past couple days You know Because you've been in Deep sleep or whatever That actually Changes someone You know So I'd rather get Quote With it Than without it So after that I started carrying My gun all the time You know I started carrying My gun all the time I Shotgun You know Because it's Even if I miss I can't miss You know If it comes down to the crunch Or If a group of people Managed to Find themselves in a situation Where there's a group of people Again I'll just Fire off Whatever I've got And If I miss you If the Whatting doesn't hit you The pellets Are going to hit you You know Or hit your friend Do you know What I'm saying As a collective So I remember I remember getting Rushed out of college So that time This precise moment in time I was With a girl Lunchtime Going to get Going to get some lunch And I don't know why, man It's always girls This girl says to me Oh, did you see All those boys They're looking at you I didn't even see The boys looking at me But you know Once a girl says that I don't care who you are If your missus says that Did you see her What's their problem Straight away your back's up So you think What's going on What's going on I'm getting You know Ruffed up And stuff like that So I jumped on a bus I wasn't driving at the time And I went home And got my shotgun Right Went home And got my shotgun Jumped back on the bus I came back to the college Cause this happened at the college And after the boys That rushed me And done whatever They dispersed And went about their own business I see one of the boys That was supposedly involved In the attack So I chased the boy down So the boy Small as he is Run towards the college But there's An estate in the college He just didn't want to get seen By a group of people Running down the college screaming He didn't see exactly what I had Cause he was too far away Like I said I like to walk close and personal And to be honest If I'm going to be completely honest I wasn't going to shoot him outside the college Fucking outside the college Just broad daylight Probably just roughed him up And just baseball batted him With the gun With the butt of the gun Or whatever But he saw me Yeah You know they always say People are brave in a group But when they're one to one They start to crumb on break So he started running So as he's running through the state I've chased him down It's an estate Right Got close enough to him And I've hit him with the shotgun In the back of the head Right And Clarence just started pouring And he started screaming How loud it was before All of a sudden Neighbours are coming out And the attention is getting grabbed He gets up Shoes off towards the college Starts pointing You know At me So now that I remember There was a black security guard At the college He was looking at me I've seen the situation Assessed the situation Cut the corner Went into the bush Stashed the shotgun Came back into the college That nothing's happened Because the last thing that I need to do now That I've attacked this kid Right Is Fucking Leave the college For police to come to my house I'm thinking right If anything's gonna happen Let it happen at the college Because it started off at the college anyway So it might as well They're gonna take me away Let it be at the college I've stashed it in the bush Going to my class I was doing art and design at the time Starting an art and design class Remember this happened at lunchtime Lunch is finished We're all in there Fucking kids pointing Snitching saying Jesus got a gun He's fucking whacked me Over the head with a gun Blah, blah, blah So as I'm sat in the classroom Even up till today This is something that Kind of takes me back How it actually happened So the armed police gets called into the college So I'm sat there Fucking All drawing and shit like that The tutors none the wiser Right They call the tutor right again Remember the story I told you about at school It's happening again in college But this time it's a gun So I'm called the tutor right again The tutor's gone outside I think they must have asked the tutor Which ones What tables McGansey's sitting on That's my surname Adam McGansey What tables is he sitting on He must have also grasped me up You know there's them little glass panels Let's see movement there Next thing They rushed to college I mean they rushed to class Oh police Rushed to class Straight to my table Right They tried to get to me before Because obviously my bag had another bag I used to have a bag in the folder And carry on design So they rushed to the table Grabbed me from me over the table You know Locked down All of that type of shit Students that I'm with Are not from the street Right They're fucking petrified They're thinking what the hell is going on Now what they couldn't do Is call students out one by one Just in case I go on a schizo one And I get the gun out And it's hard to take one of them hostage Remember I supposedly just Attacked someone outside the college So now they throw me over the table Take me to this holding room They ask me where's the gun So I say to them What gun They say we've got We've got strong accusations Allegations that you've got a gun Where's the gun Where's the shotgun I said I don't know what you're talking about They said We've just been called in Where is the gun You know they tried to This whole intimidating thing So I said listen I don't know what you're talking about I got into a situation with someone I didn't even tell them That the fucking kids just rushed me I got into a situation with someone And I pulled out a scaffolding pole And he ran That's what he saw was a scaffolding pole It wasn't a shotgun Right So they asked me where's the scaffolding pole I said I don't know When he ran screaming The fucking I threw it They said So how's he got the How's his head split open I said I don't He tripped As he was running Into your state I didn't get a chance to get to him He tripped And he fell And he bossed his own head Allegedly Right So They let me go And furthermore To be precise with you They were fuming This is a waste of police time You know I've got to say Other kid Yeah They found nothing I'm thinking this is nothing It's cool It's fine Two months later I'm chilling in my mom's house At this time I managed to Obviously cause of drug dealing And stuff like that I had to save up a bit of money Cause I put my mom through some shit And I've managed to Find her holiday to go abroad So she's gone back home For a trip So I'm staying at my mom's house And to be honest with you I Precisely cause of the guns And the drugs and stuff like that My mom had kicked me out at 16 So my mom had Already kicked me out So anytime I come there I can't sleep over But cause I was drug dealing And I was carrying guns and stuff like that Plus I wasn't driving So I used to catch And stuff like that To and from my mom's house So I used to live in an area Not far from my mom's house I used to be called Manor Park So I used to Get into a cab With my drugs With my gun And shit like that Remember I've been standing there already So like I said I'd rather get caught With my gun than without it I've managed to save up some money So my mom abroad Cause I put her through some shit As she's abroad These whole situations Happened at the college Right Sorry Situations happened at college Sent my mom abroad I'm at her house to sleep I hear a helicopter above The roof All the houses are stacked up together Right My house is in the middle of the street The police can't They're not looking to leave Six gardens Just to get to my back garden And stop me from escaping from the back So they got They hired a helicopter to Secure the scene at the back So if I managed to Escape from the back They've got the light on me And the light can just follow me Right So I'm laying in my In my bed I hear a helicopter I'm thinking, yo What the fuck is that? I jumped out of bed I don't know what I was thinking I just jumped out of bed And I ran downstairs At the time it's just me And my sister All the sister in the house Ideally I preferred To be You know In this neighboring area In my mom's area Where I've grown up Cause my drugs are there My guns are there I don't have to be traveling Back and forth from my house So Saturday, Sunday For Friday, Saturday and Sunday I'll spend that in my mom's area In my mom's house Cause she's abroad And it'll be easy for me to Sell my drugs and stuff like that So anyway Helicopter Above the roof I jump out of bed Run downstairs Alright Get to the bottom of the stairs The door flies off again Right Oh please Again Laser beams on my chest I made my boxes To be honest with you I don't know where I was running I don't know why Or where I was running I don't know what was happening You know you get Flight or flight Is it flight or flight? Yeah, flight or flight I just jumped out of bed I don't know where I'm going I haven't even put any clothes on I don't know why Why I'm doing what I'm doing Was like secondary Panic as well Because you've been stabbed before Exactly So I get to the bottom of the staircase The door flies open Lasers Shields Screaming different things One saying Get on your knees One saying Hands behind your back One saying Don't look off Look the other way Oh man, what is it? Right Fucking hell, get on my knees Right And then they say Stand up Fucking hell, hands behind your back Step backwards So I'm stepping back They nick me Right They take me from into the back Of the car The guns and the drugs And the coke It's in the back of the garden I used to hide it between My mom's house The fence And the next to the neighbor's house So if you do find it I can actually say it's not mine Do you know what I'm saying? So they put me in the back of the car I'm in the back of the car Shitting it Because me and my sister Never really used to see eye to eye At the time I'm thinking Fucking oh man At least they'll be doing me a favor Taking me to prison at this case Because my sister just experienced Some shit that she's Never gonna forget So they've drugged her out as well Because they're the Everyone just has to get mad They don't want the police coming They're manhandling everyone Right So they threw my sister In the back of the car I'm just waiting for them to find The dogs come in Search police come in Obviously Armed police come in there Secure the scene Normal police come in there And they search the house And everything They didn't find anything They didn't find anything I was waiting to go to prison And I was like Right Trying to calculate the years In my head They come in and they say Yep, alright You know Letting me in We haven't found anything I've gone in the house I've sat down for a minute My sister's fuming She's popped upstairs I'm waiting for everything To settle down I'm thinking What if I go back into the garden And then the helicopter Just pops out I just chewed for a while After the next day I've gone back in there Checked My drugs are there My coke's there My gun's there Happiest Larry, right I'm thinking That's it If I come to the college They haven't found anything They come to my mom's house They haven't found anything But I'm back in my head Remember I told you I got a flat Someone else that was staying I'm thinking They can't possibly Come back for a time So now Another mom's gone by Obviously during these periods of time You know I'm giving people a hard time Obviously now As you go to learn As you get older You learn Unless people have information That you've got a gun And you're jamming it on people And all that type of shit Please can't act on information That's not there You know So I've gone back to my place Now my mom's managed to Come back to her house I'm asleep in my house I had scaffolding Around my flat Right I was really revamping The whole tower block That I was on I'm sleeping My shotgun's on the windowsill No helicopter this time Plus This time I managed to get a A plastic door reinforced Onto my flat Right Cause I've seen police raids Right So I can say to you I'm a calculator And I like to sit down Think so I see how wooden doors Paving Right So I'm thinking to myself I gotta get a plastic door Don't buy me some time Throw the shotgun out Flash the coke Whatever I've got You know Cause when a big red key comes in Right To hit the door Some of that energy flies back That buys you time Right So I've got plastic door Thick one Reinstated on my flat I'm sleeping So as I'm sleeping I hear BOOF They come in the middle of the night They come out and know it I hear BOOF I remember boxes again Oh, something again I'm like shit The shotgun's right here I remember my bed used to be here The shotgun would be right here So I'm not a shotgun as well Yeah I jump out of bed Not thinking again Grab the shotgun Open the back Fucking Uh, the uh What do you got in the back of me I threw the shotgun out of that looking It hit our armed officer Swear to God It hit our armed officer He fell off the scaffolding Right The rest of him Cause I didn't look I just opened the door and just threw it Cause I'm hearing a noise coming from the front But little do I know these fuckers I've climbed round Yeah And covered the uh The back of me Right Cause he had the scaffolding He had the net, everything It's hit the armed officer All I know is that Torches disappear off the far end Right The rest of him SHUT UP Now I'm thinking Shit This is the car getting the worst First I went to prison When I was 18 For position of a gun Uh When the shotgun's hit him It's opened The shells have dropped In a black wire free bag That used to carry the shotgun in That's it Arrested me Position of a firearm Uh Pleased an ammunition All that type of shit Went to court Obviously Uh Got into court Now I played this whole You know I've been stabbed You know I was paranoid You know I almost died What did you expect me to do You know I got three years to 18 months That was the first time I went to prison What prison did you go to? Uh I went to Chelmsford Chelmsford I went to Felton And then I went to Rochester Adult prisons So Chelmsford's an adult prison It was like an adult and wild The rest of them were youth Like about they're like 18 upwards 18 to 21 Who was that getting there? When I got in there I was like Is this it You know As a kid You always have that Oh What's gonna happen When I got in there Man I was like Whoa This is nothing You know I'm gonna go ten times harder When I get out You know I mean Because obviously In there You just mix and mingle with your friends And it's all a good laugh You know I mean But So when I got out That's when I actually Start getting serious You know I mean I've got out now Because I went in 18 I got out You know 19 to 20 18 months Yeah Fuck jokes I remember going in at 22 And I was thinking I'm gonna get fucking shagged In here Yeah And then Soon as you're in You realize how easy it is Yeah Yeah Fucking junkies Exactly And you realize It's not as bad Obviously your freedom Your time I love the party I love the women So I miss that But You realize It's a fucking joke Yeah So When I got out I wasn't trying to You know I didn't have time to be drug dealing Before drug dealing Was my preferred choice of hustle But now I've got out I'm robbing You know And like I've said to you We don't do You know Like Roll the dice Pre-planers You know We do inside information So yeah I invested in guns And just went straight to work Went straight to work The first bit of work that we did Was I think it was like a politician Or something like that This guy was like A high-end politician I was on a podcast He's a chat to get some information Out of me Or where was he from I was like These I'm not gonna say where But this guy was corrupt as fuck No, this guy was Minted Minted He had shitload of money You know Laying around But Yeah That was the first bit of work And now That was decent pay as well Is that the first time you had that Bit of do Proper money From selling Fuck Bit of weed It's not that much It's not that lavish Was that the first time You tasted a bit of Yes That was the First time we've hit Like a big lick Jackpot Yeah So we didn't stop We didn't stop You know This guy He He had money Laying around You know when you hit someone And they've got You know Let's say you've got Money You're not gonna keep Free meal or a meal Or 700 grand One safe You're always gonna think smart You think listen I gotta get a couple inbuilt Saves just in case Any smart person will think If anyone ever flies the door Or if my friends turn on me Or if my friends Fucking Find some kids To come in my house And take my shit Or if anyone ever comes In my shit By coincidence I gotta have My money split up Or I gotta have A safety Safe You know So if they do come through And then manage I'll give them a hard time But eventually When I manage To cough something up And open the safe They'll be 200k in there They'll be happy with that You know So In that situation That's what this guy did But that only fed The fire that was inside To keep going You know We got to a stage where We were plugged in Like can I mean like Plugged in Vietnamese people Plugged in Cause they used to grow The cannabis factories And stuff like that Plugged in with the Albanians Plugged in with the white words That move bricks or coke And shit like that So whatever you need done It's 50-50 You know It's not I wouldn't screw you over Our business built on trust Right Even though You know I said it's not On our amongst thieves Or this one that was You know Cause without you This 50% wouldn't have Been possible And I'm gonna need you In the future So I see it as a long term investment I don't see it as Oh you know This guy set up 300 grand And we're gonna take it And just turn around And I said There was nothing in there Or we're gonna take it And you know Just give him 20% of that Whatever we've agreed to It's what I was It's what we've agreed to Not just that as well You're the inside man Cause you're gonna be In the fucking house When we're coming to the house Yeah And because Most of the times People will fall out Drug dealers fall out You talk down to me I feel a type of way about it You know Oh I'm not happy with the split That you're giving me Right Cause you feel You feel like you've done more of the work Even though I've financed it Right I'll just get my mates on there Right You're shouting 70% And you're giving me 30% Even though we started this business together Now all of a sudden You've turned on me Okay no problem I've got someone that will do 50-50 And I'll be happy with that And on top of that As well be in the house Okay I'll take a punch in the face For 50% of that And I'll watch you get your head kicked in And on top of that as well They'll come through acting Like they don't know with their stashes And they'll fuck you up Give me a bloody lip But compared to what you're going to get It's nothing And I'm gonna get 50% And on top of that as well We're gonna carry on working together Cause you're gonna think both of us got robbed You know So the game is a filthy game It's rigged But me on the other hand Me and my friends How it would work Is that after we sting Or we rob your pal We give you your 50% But now Your job's not done If your pal finds out that it's somewhat me Or my friends that were behind it It's your job to convince him Not to react To take that loss Because If you fail to do that You know We're gonna shoot you Or I'm gonna shoot you One of my pals is gonna shoot you I'm gonna shoot your friend as well Cause we're gonna be paranoid That you could have played us And played him as well So it's your job to make sure that That doesn't happen And if you fail in doing that Just get back to us and let us know The guy's not hearing it He's coming for it So we can act before he does And try and knock the window out of him So you have to be an agent Either way It doesn't end there By you just giving us information You have to give us information Until the things flat lined There's no repercussions The guy's moved on He wants to reinvest in something else Who was it starting to have a good Bag of money behind you? Was it a throw? Was it a buzz? Yes, yes I started spending money stupidly You start to spend money Because you're thinking I just made that in 20 minutes You think it lasts forever, don't you? Yes, yes I made that in 20 minutes I'll get it back So, um Took a time off into prison Right This time around So I've been We've been banging jobs We Pelific Now people say to me You know When I've done my first one or two podcasts People are like You know Oh You know He's a nice guy I didn't know he'd done that The reason you didn't know That I'd done that Because you did not need to know You wasn't part of the circle To know that I was doing that And on top of that as well It benefited me Nothing in no way What's ever for you to know that Children or something Because we're not working together You did not need to know Who has been getting shot Who's been shot Who I've shot Or what I've been doing Until I've been arrested Or I've been caught up in shit Now it's all like in the open Alright guys It was me But other than that The name of the game is longevity Right To go as far as you can Without anyone knowing That you're just doing it Especially people that don't need to know Do you know what I'm saying That's the name of the game People don't last long in the game Because they like to show a boat And tell people that this is what I'm doing I'm doing it now You know like the drug leaders in the flashy cars Then you get someone like me and my pals Seeing you rolling around We won't come onto you like that But the homework starts initially there Start ringing around The people that we already are In the mix with And we get reliable information back How much you're making How much you got stored But we don't We used to really do drug dealers You know We loved higher ups You know But um So much so that we used to We didn't just used to do Rubberies in England We would fly out in other countries And do rubberies You know Places Last place that I went to before I went away Holland You know I was the youngest there by 30 years That's how prolific we were That people vouch You know The white boys our age They'll get the old pups on there I said dad I know this guy You know he's fucking on it He's proper You know what I mean We can get him on this job He'll do it You know on top of that as well I'll throw something there away If they can get me on that You end up finding yourself in another country You know Last job that we're going to do In Holland Big glory Right Computer chips Now at the time We're going back about 15 years ago Computer chips The boxes I'm talking about little ones Talking about the big computer Big computer chips Yeah The box goes for 25 to 30K This is 15 years ago We had a plot that we're going to do Fly over Stayed on a piece of land That this guy owned There was 10 of us there Everyone was in Everyone that got flown in Specialized in different things So you had a lorry driver that was flown in Specifically for driving the lorry You had people that were We had people dressed up as police So when this lorry comes across the port We had a snatch van Furthermore we had two snatch vans Right The snatch van So it's one way The lorry will be coming one way And have security on it Because of the expenses Of what's inside this lorry As soon as it comes to the port It's got a little security following it To make sure that it gets to A designated spot Comes down the one way We've got the whole route mapped out As the lorry is driving down this one way The security is following behind Snatch van is broken down on the side of the road Or just parked off As the lorry gets close We cut them off The lorry comes to a standstill The lorry comes to a standstill Behind the security We had police People dressed up like police You know the little detachable thing That you put on top of the car They pulled the security over Security pulls over Tie up the security Throw him in the back of the car Move the little security car on the side We throw him in the back of the what? The fake police car Now me and someone else Will be me and someone else's job To get to the lorry driver Because the lorry driver What they tend to do at the time Is snap the key in the ignition So you can't move the lorry So now we have to As soon as the van pulls out The Snatch van pulls out to block them Me and the driver Rush the lorry Try and drag the T-hammer to the window Drag the driver out Before he snaps the key in the ignition And the lorry driver gets in there On top of that as well I've got a jammer on me You know what a jammer is So I've got a jammer on me Because these lorries are tracked up They'll be able to find them like that If the lorry comes off route They'll say hey These lorries come off route Rather we get in the lorry With the jammer so the signals cut off So when we get it to the safety Spot and start And fucking unloading it Putting it in another Snatch van The security goes in the back of the lorry So there's a lorry driver tied up And we just leave him there Jobs like that Do you know what I mean So we were Active Active What was it like down at Aubrey? What was that feeling, the buzz you had? Can I tell you something? It was very thrilling But the thing is I came To do the robbery with Outlaw limitations What I mean by that is I would like for the robbery to go To plan But if you misbehave You know I'll put a bullet in your back If I have to Or in your ass If I have to Do you know what I mean If I have to I'm not one of those robbers that's going to beg you Please please behave Please behave So I saw it as It was exciting But I've done way worse Of shit than this You know for me This is a walk in the park And to be honest To be possessive I in my head Played it This is what justified my actions Is that What is in that house Belongs to me I'm not doing anything wrong I'm retrieving what's mine already What's about to happen Has already happened That helps calm your nerves down You know you get certain people Like oh shit man There's so much cause No I'm not doing anything wrong This has already happened It's already reported in the papers Not just that This shit is mine I'm not doing anything wrong So I'll go straight into television And we had different forms of entry as well You know So you know what was sledgehammer You know Enter your shit with a sledgehammer Or preferably quietly As you're getting into your house With your key Slide right in behind you Stick the gun right into your ribs Shhh Walk you straight in By then You know it's not the first time You know we've been around your house We've done our homework We know that you dropped You've already dropped your kid off to school No one in the house Your Mrs is going to work You've got a dog We've been doing the homework On your whole movement You know we know where you go to work We know what time you finish work Cause we followed your route All the way back to your house You know And right now You've been caught with your pants down So for me there was nothing more thrilling Than catching someone with their pants down I know I've got Two, three, four, five hours in this house with you I'm not going to use all that Cause it's not necessary But I know what I'm here for I know where it is But I'm just going to act up a little bit Pretend I don't know where it is Rampside the house a little bit Take it Cause the last thing that you need to know Is that I'm acting off information And you know that someone Or someone from your circles Choked you in it Cause it would just play along Why did you never target drug dealers Because I could have been backlash Nah, the cash wasn't enough You know, sometimes And what I hated was We've done drug dealers What I hated as well with drug dealers Is that once you do drug dealers You've got to find some fucking kids To get rid of drugs Yes So long I've done that a couple of times Me and my friends have done that a couple of times Slid on our drug dealers Took hundreds of thousands of pounds of off drugs And we have nowhere to keep it So now we have to rent a place We have to rent a place to fucking keep it in You know And then we have to find someone else Some kids Hey, come here You know, I like the local neighborhood Superhero fucking Giving out all these kids drugs Forcing drugs on them Like, hey take this Man, don't worry man, this is good for you I'll be back in two weeks You better have my money You know what's happened shit But that's even that Now I'm chasing Consistently hustling for the money That I just hustled for So preferably drug dealers You know I never used to really like doing drug dealers Only if there's cash though Cash, everyone loves a bit of cash You know But drugs That was that second choice To take The day never they ever fight back Though those The day never they fight back So I'll tell you a story The guy that fought back on my case I shot the guy In the case that rightfully Tried to protect his house That precise day what led to that Was We've gone on a robbery Alright So I'm gonna read it back a bit We've gone on a robbery And what I used to like to do Is to alternate partners Alright So we alternate partners So we give everyone a go Yeah So nobody gets Feels like they left out So me and my friends My friends will go with other people sometimes Or we'll go together sometimes Or we'll use other people sometimes So I managed to pick up these two boys So some drug dealer's been talking In the neighborhood Talking about how much drugs He's managed to crop down From his grow Right And he's told his He's bragging to his sister His sister's got out of a kid from the area Right And the kids come to me And said to me Listen My brother-in-law Has managed to bring down This little factory or whatever You know He's got drugs in his house Right now he stinks Him and his sister And he writes about it So I'm like How much is there He's like I don't know Because the brother wouldn't talk to me Right But the sister's saying So much It's smelling out the house So I'm like That's not really Information for me to act on Because it's not really solid Because you haven't seen it Even though you can You said that You can smell what's in the house It's not really You're not really in bed with this guy You know He's like Come on Trust me There So I'm going to pick up these two boys From a neighbouring area So obviously We used to As robbers We used to keep guns around We'll keep stalling cars around Play up the stalling cars So we will have The exact same car as you Or him Or him Plate it up To the tea That if the police drove past They'll think it's you Driving the car But it's cloned Right To look legit So it blends in So we had shitload of cars Around the area We didn't just use to rob You know Serious work We'll get There'll be certain envelopes That will slide through Pictures and addresses So we'll always Navigate those to the right people So we used to be like You know Drugs Robberies You know You know If a job needs doing Someone's been misbehaving And they need to get seen to So we always just have Shitload of cars Stalling cars around Getting for what Two, three hundred pound Fucking plate them up Park them off in the area Got guns in the area And the phones that we had Would ring Like drug dealers' lines That's how me and My friends used to have it Just like how Drug dealers' phone rings Our phones would ring And we always were Ready to go So we'd wake up Get together Relax Bus jokes Watch TV Watch football We had phones Burned phones That would ring I'm in a house now Hundred and eighty grand I'm in a house Now I'm in there Right now Now Now A dress comes through I say Boys We've got something right now So we fly through We're always on call So anyway I go and pick up These two boys From this area I've looked at them They tipsy Something said to me Don't take them You know Don't take these boys But I'm Fucking greedy, man And I wasn't doing anything That day So I said to them Fucking get in the car Got him in the car To the locality Fucking To this house Alright I can say it now Because I fucking got done For the crime Crime But I didn't fucking do it Anyway we'll get to it So Drove into the house I pointed at that door I said it's that door Yeah They said Yeah, yeah, yeah We've got it I've gave them the gun I fucking showered Them to the robbery And I've gave them the robbery I pointed at the door Do you know what they've done? They've gone to the door And they've started talking in sign language Right I've seen fucking Swap dude like shit in America I was like, yeah I'm watching from a distance You know Like a peeping tom Right They're fucking free From the door Gone in there Right So I'm thinking Yes I'm just Wrapping my palms I'm like Yes Payday today I don't know Fucking hit the house Come back They're like There's nothing in the house So I said You're fucking joking There's nothing in the house The people in the house are screaming I'm thinking So something in the house Those people won't be screaming that loudly Because you like Back in the car now And the woman that's in the house Is still screaming Drove off Got to the safety zone Fucking My phone rang Again Remember I told you I used to have those burned phones It's a Vietnamese guy He used to go by the name of Tony Even though I'll meet this guy And he'll say Hey, how you doing? I'll tell him my name is Steve Because he'll tell me his name is Tony But your name is Tony Listen It's fine You haven't got Tony But we couldn't just play that game I'm Steve your Tony He goes Hey, listen 180 grand in this house Come now Right This house is in South East London We're in East London Yeah So I've looked at these boys Right They've hit the fucking wrong house They've hit the wrong house Two red doors back to back I pointed at the door They must have saw me point at another door Right Now the reason why I know we've hit the wrong door Is gonna come back later Right So now I'm fuming that we haven't got anything Because I always remember Remember I was in a car rubbing my palms Right They've come back in a car into handed With the shotgun Stedge hammer And the empty fucking Empty carrier bags Because these carrier bags are meant to Store the drugs in Whatever we're fucking in that house So we're at the safety spot Tony rings me He goes Listen 180 grand in this address Right now I said How do you know? He says I just dropped off 30 grand There's a money machine On the table right now Counting it There's four sons in here Vietnamese woman She's my boss Come to the house Addressed Locked off Toilet Addressed Sends it through to my thingy I got an address So there's four sons in the address One's in a wheelchair Obviously that's not any trouble Right Just push them off to the side So these are the three boys Right Mom, shut up Sit down Here for the cash Right, simple job Plus we've got guns Right The reason why I prefer coming in with guns Can't come into your house with a knife And you've got a fucking gun in there You don't know what people have in their houses And I've seen people And I've grown up with people That have gone into houses And died in those houses Because believe it or not If someone comes through the house Right now Wherever we are Man You're asking to get killed Because I fucking live here Do you understand? I've got to defend this shit My kids are in here You know, my wife's in here My people come here I can't This has to be This is where I rest my head You've overstepped that line And I was always aware of this So when I come through there I come through Either a pump action Or also an off-shot gun With those two thick barrels pointing at you And I always prefer those weapons of choice That has a weapon of choice Because it's fucking intimidating As big as I am If someone put it out on me right now And I obviously have to read your body language in that See if I can talk you out of it Do you know what I mean? But I'm not trying to get hit by that No one's trying to get hit by that So I told the boys Listen We're going to this house in South London Right? Don't worry about it The move's flopped You're gonna make up for it We're gonna go to South London and do this Now in this precise job I was gonna do it as well Because I didn't want them fucking up this move You just fucked up the last one 20 minutes ago We're going to this one now I'm gonna drive you Even though I've rang a parlor man And he's coming to van And I could have got in his van easily And just watched these boys drive to the locality Or the area I prefer to drive him there And this time I'm coming in that house with you Right? Just to make sure you don't fuck this up Because imagine two fucking robberies Gone wrong And to be honest Like I've said it was my fault I should have never took them Because it would drop tipsy Right? So we're driving As we're driving We've got to an area called Lime House It's in East London And my responsibility I tell you responsibility I've done a dodgy U-turn Because I didn't want to go all the way around So I've done a dodgy U-turn To cut into the queue Do you know who was sat by the traffic lights? Armed police What's up by the traffic lights? What are the odds? Right? I didn't even see them But they were city police City police They police are two mile radius It's south of London Central London Yeah Because obviously that's prone to like The last thing that It needs terrorist attacks happening around there So you need that Armed police run that shit ASAP So they've got like a two mile radius That they police Fucking police have got nothing to do They're just shooting out the traffic lights Our bus a dodgy U-turn They're looking at They look at the far They're punching the plates So when they're punched in the plates Even though I used to go and ask mid Ask mid is where you check if the car's insured Right? The car's got insurance Is it ask mid? One of them Ask mid So I used to go and look for The websites That are selling cars Identical to the stolen car that I have Take the number plates Write them down Drive to the plate shop Haven't printed off Stick them on Fucking motor Wash Yeah, job done Blending in So anyway I've got the plates Stuck them on the motor The car's insured But it's not insured to anyone Cause where I took the plates from Fucking car sales place You know It's not like it was anyone else's car Or a private fucking seller That was selling cars It was A showroom A car showroom That just insured the car So now the police want to know Who's driving this car So now they're following me And I'm looking at the traffic I'm looking at the rear view I'm thinking What the fuck Why are these on me The car's insured I've got three other lads in the car Alright We've got a shotgun in the car The guy in the passenger seat We've already agreed it to a deal If it comes on top It's your job to take the fucking gun Right If you're not gonna do that Let me know And I'll pass the task on someone else I'm driving I can't be driving And carry the gun at the same time He's agreed The police are following us Coming to central London More towards south of central London Near London Bridge The police lights have gone on I'm like Oh God I am not stopping We're getting away Never mind the fact that We just took a chase I think it must have been About a month or two months before Like a two hour police chase That's another story You can poem me an alley And I'll tell you about that Crazy story I'm not stopping Right We're taking the chase lads Fucking driving The police have no idea Who they're pulling Or who's in the car I'm driving I'm driving I'm trying to read off the posters Ramgan I've got no idea Ramgan I don't drive through central London I avoid it and go around it Right because of the shit I've got in a car So now I'm reading posters I don't know Ramgan The roads are zigzaggy End up crashing the car Tourists are walking around with cameras From Japan Fucking Germany Whatever Oh London Bridge See a car Police They're like Turn the cameras around Right Who do they see Me and the rest of the entourage Jumping out of the car Winging it Right I jump out of the car I told the guys Don't follow me Right When we get out of the car Everyone's on their own Don't follow me Right What do they do They follow me And at the same time I've got no idea where I'm going Why are you gonna follow me Right I'm running running running running I don't know where I'm going I end up at the pier Right At the pier I can't swim I'm thinking Fuck Never mind the fact that I'm on license For my first gun charge You know the shotgun that I threw And it hit the arm fed I'm still on license for that I'm at the pier I'm looking down There's the Thames Fuck And these other two guys Have just followed me to the pier So now I've looked at them Desperate I said to them Right Who's jumping Don't look at me At that walk Jump I've looked at them I said No no no One of you jump Let's go lads We can hear the fucking feds Running down Stop You know the noise that they make When they're running after you They said No no no I'm trying to persuade them to jump Because if one of them floats I'm going to jump in Then I'm going to take the risk Right Because I'm on license And I don't know if they're using Or cause we've got all the way with the gun And that's a chance I was looking to take If one of them jumped But neither of us jumped And we got nicked to the pier Right We got nicked to the pier Chucked into the van The police are saying Oh they haven't searched the car Properly They're saying Ah stolen car Blah blah blah I'm thinking The guy must have went with the gun They found the gun While I'm in the car In the van I am fuming The fucking Jesus shit His pants I left the gun in the car Now they've managed To link that gun And this sledgehammer That I had in the boot With a previous robbery That just happened About two hours ago They've trapped me Into Belmarsh I am fuming I'm like Fucking hell I can't believe You left the gun Up till to It's always taught me About twelve years To get over the fact That the guy's left the gun in there Man Like what the fuck Even if you told me I was at the pier I would have threw that shit Into the river Right Anyway I'm in Belmarsh Reminded For aggravated burglary I'm thinking aggravated burglary I didn't think it was a big deal Burglary Right It's got a burglary in it First aggravated burglary I get twelve years First aggravated burglary I'm thinking it's a shitty burglary Everyone does burglaries Right It's a fucking serious offense Aggravated burglary is a serious offense So Anyway I'm in Belmarsh I'm thinking How am I gonna fight this case Okay A visitor At reception Now everyone knows guys If you get a visitor That you haven't Put down On a deal Visit in order And the right reception Is police So please Call me to reception I don't know it's police They don't wanna tell me The officers I just turn up Thinking what's going on This is Trident officers Right Now Trident officers investigate Gun crime You get Trident self And Trident North Trident North Now Trident North I think I don't wanna get mixed up I think Trident North investigates Minor gun offenses Trident self investigates murders And serious like attempted murders And stuff like that So I turn up to reception This tall skinny officer Standing there He wants to ask me something But he hasn't got the facilities To question me In the prison In Belmarsh He wants to take me out To a police station Called Plumstead police station So I get in a car He can't tell me I only find out now That when you're on prison ground If they're coming to investigate An offense They cannot tell you Until you step off Into Public Public roads What they're arresting you for Whatever So they can't say I'm arresting you in there They have to take you off the prison ground So he told me So I'm in a car They take me to They take me to Plumstead police station So he's Just Light chat Hey You know Some guys Broke into a house And they shot a man in a throat With a shotgun Do you know anything about that I'm like You know What you're talking about To get me to the police station I'm fully compliant Yes, officer What do you need You know Anything to help with your investigation Because I'm thinking Dude, you got nothing on me Right You have to sign this paperwork You know To agree to a Identification Parade I'm like Yes, fine Right I'll agree to that Whatever I'm thinking Nothing's gonna come back from this Anyway The first charge Yeah With a broken to this house I didn't even make it to Tony's fucking address I'll get 12 years for that I'll get 12 years for that I am I remember They asked us to stand up What two of my co-defendants They say Mr. Mr. McGansey That's me Can you stand up You know They said that I went into the house And what hurts me the most Is that I didn't go into the house Right I say it up Yeah Attribute me the right role Don't say I went into the house Because remember the guy That was carrying a gun He went away He said three bots went into the house And the guy that got away Went into the house I set up the robbery But these cunts I was trying to say that I've gone into the house That pissed me off even more Because the tallest person There was five, seven Fucking six, four How did I get away with that Fine I get a guilty That whacked me with a 12 Despite the fact Right That Sorry Let me just wind it back Before I got a guilty Before I got a guilty I'm in Brixton Right I'm in there And one of my comrades One of my boys Comes in there So he comes in there How come you're here He goes He goes Make fucking a police raid In my house And they found three guns Supposedly They found three fucking guns You know And they've got me here All right So they're allegedly seeing Four free guns out of the house When they raided this house So we're in a cell together You know what I say Misery loves company As much as I didn't want him to be there But I was happy That he was there with me All right Friends laugh to me You know I wouldn't want him to be in trouble But if you're going through something You want to go through it With someone that you know You know what I'm saying Misery loves company So we're chilling in there We're talking about the good old days Because we went to school together And never think Fucking hell, man Those were the days My door cracks open I said Mr. McGansey You got a cool appearance So I'm like Cool appearance What the fuck All right Cool Get up Chop me in the back of the sweat box In the London crown Cool So now I've done six months in a can Right The persecution I'm not ready to go ahead With a trial There's a thing called Custody time limit By law The prosecution have got me in there Within six months I have to prepare a case If they haven't prepared a case And they're not ready And threw out no fault of mine I have to get given bail So they give me bail Right As they give me bail The police are fuming Right I'm out for two weeks Part of my bail conditions Signing on So I go into plaster police station To sign on Plaster scenario In East London I've got to go sign on One time I turn up Two weeks in These guys have been working overtime We're all getting back in there Right I turn up to a police station When I turn up to this police station The whole police station is shut down No one's reporting any crimes It's very ironic What's going on here I'm here to sign on You've got two doors One of them is for The law-abiding civilians To go in there And hey You know Someone broke into my house And the other doors for people That are on Tag and shit like that To go on sign on And leave But I turn up to a police station And there's nobody in there Not even behind the desk Something to myself Something's not right They've shut down the police station So I go into the main police station To sign on Someone pops their head up From underneath the desk I say, Mr. McKenzie I said yes What's going on I said yes Yes We've got someone That's looking to talk to you Looking to you Have a chat with you So I said, right Fine The police Obviously I got cast There's a time limit I've been giving bell They're working on more cases To try and hit me with But now that they've run out of time They've got to try and hit me with them now So I'm waiting there A woman pops her head out from The brown door Next to the Main door that I went in I said please come in here I want to interview you about something So I go in I've never seen this woman before In my life She sat across the desk from me She goes I want to ask you about Some offences that took place But I'm waiting for my colleague To come into the room Right Before we Interview about it I'll ask you about it I said fine Remember I'm fully compliant Hey Even up till now I get pulled over to the police Hey, how may I help you Right She says Her colleague knocks on the door Comes in It's the same fed Officer That interviewed me About shooting this geezer On her throat Yeah Six months before then So I looked at him I thought oh shit I know this guy And he looked at me Smoking me So I looked at him I thought oh shit Who the fuck is this bird now I'm thinking who is this bird She says she's interviewing Two cases where I shot A guy out of a bedroom window Supposedly Me Right And in another case Where I supposedly shot This guy in the back So I'm thinking oh shit Now they're linking up The aggravated burglaries They're linking up All these aggravated burglaries That have resulted in shootings You know So these people have been Getting shot in their homes So we've got a serial Home invader That likes to Shoot people In their homes So now I'm thinking Fuck Right You know you go along To just try and hear What they've got They still don't know What they said to me We haven't got the facilities To interview you here We're going to take you to Another police station Which is Forest Gate I don't know if you Know That was a trident base At the time That took me in there I didn't see a road again Until I was a grown man So I've gone in Right And The two other cases I've crumbled Where this guy Supposedly got shot Out of his bedroom window And the other guy got shot In the back Those cases I fell off It's just this one case Now this one case That they're talking about Which I can talk about now I've got a call Right This is before The initial 12-year sentence Remember I was active Every day As soon as my eyes opened Someone's days ruined Remember we had a list of addresses So we'll be flying through addresses You know We just have to pick when So we've got all the information And this address And how many people in here And who's this And who's this And who's this So we just go We're going down the list So I get a call one day This little kid says to me Listen My uncle's got 70 grand Right now I'm in his house with him Come and get it He said it by text He said it by text I don't know who it was He sent me the address He says come now Because he slipped up into the toilet I sent the text Went back with his uncle I'm thinking 70 grand 70 grand Is it worth Even I wasn't doing anything At the end of the day We have to risk Guiding over the gun Fucking installing a car To get there for 70 quid And they say if there's three of us That's not really a lot of money It's not really worth the risk 70 grand So I run it by one or two guys I said there's 70 grand in his house I do not want to go for it Like bro we're not doing anything We might as well Went there We've gone into this house We've landed 12 o'clock At night Right This is off the high street In Bethnal Green Parked up Got the shotgun Sledge hammer So I'm thinking shit I might have to sledge hammer this door Because we know exactly where the cash is So there's one thing We can either rush into the premises If there's no one in there You sledge hammer the door Force entry Go straight to where the cash is And leave if there's no one in there Or you can just wait for someone to come out And you can force them in there quietly You have all the time in the world So we go to this house First thing that I did Turn the knob The door Handle The door's open I'm thinking what the hell The lights are on Back in my mind I'm thinking Because this kid set me up He can't be set Surely this can't be set I say he's not that stupid This kid has left the house already With his uncle After he sent a text message His uncle said to him Listen I got a bad feeling about this man I'm not keeping my money here Come come come come I'm gonna stash it somewhere else So the little punk Leaning at a chance to send me Another text message saying Abort the mission Alright Because he didn't want to look Suspicious Just in case He tells his uncle He didn't send me a text message He doesn't get through to me And the house still gets raided Right So he didn't send me a text message We've come through the house The door's open The lights are on Quite straight upstairs As we've got upstairs He's told me it's the first door On the right When you get to the top of the stairs Got to the door Fucking hell The uncle's got one of those Little makeshift fucking locks On the door I'm thinking Oh god This door down It doesn't get no worse than this I thought this was an easy job Kicking down this door Now I'm forcing entry into this door Already inside the house One of the boys that I was with Who left the shotgun This other case He's had movement Happening down the corridor In the bathroom So he goes There's someone in the bathroom So I'm like Fucking hell Let's go in there Get into the bathroom We're trying to force her There's a woman in the bathroom Butt naked Breast out You know Fully exposed Making noise Chill out We're not here for you But What you're not going to do You stay in this bathroom You're going to come into the room That we're searching in And we're just broken into I'm going to search Find what we're looking for You be alright So we're telling her Listen You're alright man Just comply Come out here Get into that room Let's finish searching this room She's making noise She can see the gun Right Forcing into the room She's butt naked She's on her knees like that Covering herself in shit We searched the house Didn't find anything So I'm like What Why have we came all this way I said right That's it Expand the search Next room Maybe it's not in here Could be another room We're searching another room Don't find anything I said right You downstairs Search downstairs Yeah He's gone into the living room Little do we know There's a Jamaican man Dreadlocked Right He heard us Kicking down the door Forcing entry into the door Down the corridor He's leaped out of his bathroom window Into the front patio Snuck back inside the house Straight into the living room So he's underneath us The whole time he rummaging upstairs He's called the police When he's called the police He's armed himself with a knife Remember you asked me To defend in the house He's armed himself with a knife He's waited for us to expand the search So one of the boys has gone downstairs To force entry into one of the rooms The Jamaican man's behind the door Waiting So he's trying to force Is that there's someone in there As soon as he said there's someone in there I'm in between The staircase And The bedroom so I can keep an eye on the woman And the guy And this other boy Expanding the search downstairs Jamaican man jumps out Real aggressive And he was about my height as well Swinging the knife The boy shits his pants Runs down the corridor screaming my name Ghost Mate I've already got you covered You know from when we step inside the premises And I've got the gun It's my job to ensure that there's no damage That's gonna happen to any of the people that I've come with He didn't need to shout my name Anyway I've leaned over The corridor wall The Jamaican man's chasing him with the knife Shot the guy But thank God As I fired the shotgun at the guy Close range As he's running through the corridor There's a shelf that he used to keep shoes on The warding has gone through the shelf And the rest that managed to make it through the shelf Hit the guy in the throat And his necks burst and started fizzing Blood pouring down I don't know if I've hit a major vein or something like that Blood just fizzed out Jamaican man just went straight out of the house Straight onto the main road in his boxes So now the whole scene's turned crazy It's messy now There's blood everywhere Wooden floor It's just pissing full of blood I'm like oh shit We just came here for cash What is happening So now I'm like listen Fuck the cash Let's get out of here We managed to proceed to try and get out of the house Right Everyone's sipping up on blood I was running downstairs Got in the car As I'm driving onto the main road I see the Jamaican man With the police But the police that he had rung That were heading to the house See a big black Jamaican man With blood trickling down his throat Holding a knife They're like forget the robbery Burglary Because remember he rang him thinking it's a burglary The information the police have is just a burglary They don't know that the robbers are armed The police have jumped out on him Because they're like the burglary can wait This guy is in public with a knife If this guy knives someone right now And we're recorded driving past We're screwed So we've got to handle this situation man This is the most important So they're trying to pull him down I drove right by them I've looked at the whole situation as I drove past And then that's caught up with me Two years down the line So as I'm serving 12 years For this aggravated burglary Which I was sour about Because I didn't do it But hey I take responsibility because I set it up But I didn't play the role that they said I played And I've got 12 years and the guys that supported me Running there I've got eight years Two years down the line They drew me back in court For shooting three other people On three different occasions In our homes Two of the cases full Sorry did they make it into court Full through And this case With the Jamaican guy stuck And that one I got 16 years on top of my 12 So all in all in totality I ended up with like 59 years All of them put together When they nicked me I nicked my 24 charges All of them So all in all now As we talk I'm My conviction is probably all gun offenses I've been caught up Arrested for like eight Victored for eight separate gun offenses At a time So all run concurrent? It all ended up running concurrent Who the fuck was the guy who never took the gun And then the guy who shouted your name? I hope you're still not friends with him No, no way This guy still owes me money But I've let him Stay back from him bro You ended up doing another 20 100% 100% this guy man This guy just He was the worst Do you know what Why did you stick by him? Why did you stick by him? Do you know what He's not laughing This To be honest with you yet One time yeah I've gone on a job And in this job Someone ended up getting shot In this job Right And This fucking guy His face turned red You know When someone's blood just rushes from them And you can see that This is not for them But cause you got love for someone You turn a blind eye on it And you say Ah do you know what I'm just overlooking things Now My friend He pulled with the free gun offenses He Ended up Beating the cases Right cause As we know the police and the politicians Are worse than actual criminals Cause there's a lot Not all police Not all police But some of the police are corruptors You know what I'm saying And the politicians there are even worse So he ended up beating the case One of my friends He was on bail Right For shooting a geezer in the face Obviously Allegedly shooting a geezer in the face He had a back helmet on So they couldn't prove anything He was heading to our police station To find out whether they're gonna charge him Or they're gonna drop the case Cause they tried to shoot I had a back helmet on Right And the police Knew the route that he's going to take To get to their police station So they parked up and waited As soon as they saw him Heading Still miles away from the police station They pulled him Forced him into a car They took him to a graveyard And they said You know What information have you got on me This time I'm already in prison Right So I think they wanted to kind of seal The deal And make sure I never come out Right And you know They said You know You see that gravy You know that's gonna be you in there next You know what information have you got for us They kind of tried to pay pressure him And they tried to offer him To drop the charges Even though he hadn't been in charge of anything And at the time he was heading to the police station To have the case The charges dropped Cause they couldn't pursue it any further But the last roll of dice Was to try and lean on him And see if they can squeeze any information out of him To try and seal a conviction To make sure I never come out And yeah Those That That's just been how it's been Going And you know A bit off track about some of those boys With me here today You know But they've turned their lives around as well They stand up See the guys that were giving you jobs And they take 50% Yeah How has it been someone's trying to set up their uncle You're not thinking fucking untrustworthy bastards Like nobody's Listen I've had worse I'm not even allowed I've had worse I've had course come through About people's own grandmother My grandmother's got 350 grand in the house You know I didn't do that You know I don't know bro I think you were up for any job me Yeah I know Do you know what Do you know what That didn't happen Cause God didn't weed it The weeded it to happen But obviously no one's going to get hurt If I was going to do that That's kind of Slimy It's not It's more slimy from the people Trying to set up their own grandma Oh yeah yeah Their own uncle I've had calls All types of calls All types of calls But the thing is we're gay man We're game We're game Whatever it is Are you just seeing our job It's a job It's nothing personal It's that you know And the thing is When we do come through that place Man Listen It's chilling You know we We We Um Master the art of um Of intimidation without shouting Or You know that chills You know when you get that chill Come through the back of your neck And it's like oh my god Today could be my last day You know Um I've gone out my way to try And embody that You know about making noise Very politely You know Let me tell you something People they take um Serious in life Those that don't shout They don't scream When you're in an awkward predicament And they know They've got you in an awkward predicament And you know in a bad Bad bad place And they're very calm with it as well And you know The powers are all in their hand This is not a situation that's negotiable Yeah What was the go-to thing they used to say Like you say it's a chilling experience You know yourself it's cold Yeah It's like a death The whole room is fucking cold So what was the one thing to try and make people calm But know that you're not there to fuck about No do you know what Um I think it's all to do with aura though It's it's not Because each moment has Something different You can't say the same thing for all situations You know for me It would just be that that precise I think it's within those first First ten seconds You know You've got to try and secure and calm them down I uh Mastered the art of invading space So I don't Choke you or anything like that You know I literally invade your space It's like a hug Yeah But at the same time I'm very calm with what I'm saying I've come prepped For whatever situation it is You know I'm coming for this And I'm going to take it It's non-negotiable It doesn't matter who you are What you've done will have a time And a date of death If it's the day You have that feeling That today I think it's the day that I'm gonna leave the earth You know That in itself Almost If not Most of the times Makes people comply But to be honest with you I don't really need information from them Because I've already got the information It's just to calm the situation down And what you would find is that I've been in a couple of situations Where people crack jokes Just to try and calm the nerves And they end up being compliant Helping you You know Packing away their money with Hey do you need help with that I've got the stuff over there Just to try and get you out of the house You know But we didn't just do houses We've done businesses and stuff like that as well That's the one thing that sticks in your mind Because obviously we all have our conscience No matter how big No matter how game we think we are The brain plays tricks The screams The shouting The destruction The lives that are ruined as well Like I said the guys we had on earlier Kev proper back in the day The guy destroyed his life for 30 years Sitting, crying, broken, suicidal, homeless Because of he getting tortured, kidnapped And he was the wrong man Do you think about the victims Or is that a case of Honestly I've reached out to my victims Trying to do restorative justice You know how restorative justice is Yeah that's what they're doing Yeah Restorative justice And then my victims didn't want to know Man Yeah cause I'd be scared Don't let it screw you man You think you're full of shit You don't let it screw you That's what I was thinking of Kev Because it is psychotic behaviour That is deluded fucking thinking That it's a psychopaths But in their mind Like it is closure And to sit across from someone And admit I'm sorry That takes massive balls man That's next level stuff Seriously I've reached out All my victims I've reached out man Cause what I didn't want him to think Is when I come out Cause you've grasped on me I'm gonna put you away No no no Listen That's been ungone You know what I'm saying That time's been ungone I've done my time Furthermore I'd like to apologize For you even getting caught up in that situation But these are the legitimate The law-abiding people that got caught up in it Do you understand what I'm saying But then you get those that are still out there Doing Playing the game If you're not playing the game And you've been caught up in it I apologize Do you mess up? No You're fucking lying No I swear No seriously That's the first time I've seen you break character Seriously I swear to God man You know what I actually don't I actually don't Do you know what I do Who I do feel sorry for the boys That are caught up in there Cause I could have easily been In that situation with them You know what I'm saying And there was some innocent people In prisons as well There's some innocent buds in prison That didn't do Nothing You know like they didn't They just got caught up with someone else And they couldn't see what happened And they just sat in there for 30 years Just racking their brains Consistently thinking of suicide And stuff like that Man listen This shit and a game For those young kids out there That are running around The person that you are now This is a message for the young kids That are out there running around The person that you are now Come 10 years time I highly doubt you'd be that same person You know if you haven't got kids And your kids haven't taken priority Or you know if you haven't lost A family member Or you know Your boys haven't turned on you You're not going to be playing This game for long You know I know you were better about Because you never went through that door But all the ones you get away with Does it make it a bit easier Like you start putting your hands up And going okay it was only a matter of time Before I got caught Or got killed anyway No I think I would have probably got killed Before I got caught Because I was very good Like I said it's the guy That left That tracked my hand The police had no idea Who they were chasing the whole time You know that kinds of souls there Yeah The police had no idea Who they were chasing the whole time But this kid Right Who I forgive I forgive him of course Right His nerves got the better of him You know He crumbled man And like I said I was I said maybe Everything happens for a reason I don't regret anything I don't regret anything I don't sit there I don't place blame for You know anyone for anything I take full responsibility For what's happened You know And I've learned from that as well You know I got caught up in all types of shit In prison I got caught up in the murder in prison You know Attempted murders in prison Prison Prisons where a lot of my maturity Stem to happen I matured in prison Because I got a chance to rub shoulders with people That are way worse than me man Way worse than me And I'm thinking to myself Do you know what I think When I went into prison I was very Hyped It's not very hyped But somewhat You know like Like you have like a Personality Like Ego type of thing You think yeah I've done this and I've done that I'm a big man Then you go up north And you meet some of the boys from up north You know Geezers in for free murders Butchered everyone in the house And you're like What And you never know Very polite Well-spoken guy And you're like Oh my gosh This guy's a monster I thought I was one This guy Natural life You know some of these guys Never coming out You get 37 recs 35 recs I've been with people with 37s 35s That ain't coming home You know I appreciate the fact That I got a second chance You know Um And Man That 20 Was a wake up call for me You know what I mean So There's people that ain't coming home man And there's people way worse Than whoever's watching right now That thinks that they're game You know You know Either game man You just don't know I've interviewed many people Who you think are fucking idiot But they would fucking wait And behind your bin Under your car Yeah And you put one right behind your 100% And you would never In a million years Think that they were 100% Appearances can That's what I love from prison Appearances can be very deceiving Never judge anyone No matter how small, big Or whatever Whatever they've got got Never judge anyone You know Because anyone's capable of anything You know When did you start working on yourself To try and see life About differently To then try and become about cleaner I think it's a A fruity skill of the staircase in prison And They threw me in a block So I was in a block for a long time Spent like five months in a block Segregation That's a long time Two weeks in a seg is a long time You know the segregation You lose concept of time You know all you do is sleep In a seg No radio No TV Two magazines That you've read back to front to back Right And you're in there And all you do is sleep So you'd wake up There's a blurry window You look out You're like What time is it You don't know if it's six in the morning Or six at night Especially at winter time You know Like right now you'd wake up You think it's six in the morning Man That shit Is where you actually have to That's where the battle is You know You have to think yourself I'm a grown man And I'm getting time I'm in a time out You know What am I doing with myself I'm in prison And I thought shit can't get worse And now I'm locked away from everyone else Right And I can't even mix with anyone else Human interaction is so So important For us to interact with each other And no matter what situation you're in To try and Comfort each other one way or the other And when that gets taken away from you Even in prison You know There's something wrong man Especially if you're You know You're thinking about coming out And doing something with yourself Because you can't keep doing this man Why did you throw him down the stairs? Oh man I used to beat people up in prison Yeah Yeah when you first get in there Because I had a bit of size And you had You find kids that are Thinking that they're tough So you know I used to I wasn't proud of shit like that You know I used to I used to do some bad shit in there You know So I threw this kid down the stairs Because we were beating him up And He was dodging my punches So I was like You know what Let's see if you can dodge this I grabbed him From the staircase And he landed on his head And he Heard like a loud crack And you won't believe this As he landed There was a governor That was showing Other outside Visitors of the prison Around the prison And as he landed The governor Was walking up the stairs And his kid came Flying down the stairs Landed on his head Stopped moving The governor's looked up And he saw me And I ran I don't know why I was running to you But I ran to my pad Hid in my room The governor came right in there He says You gotta go He's pacing up and down We can't have you here You gotta go We don't even know If he's responding You know Like You gotta go We're gonna have to press charges on this And I think it's myself Why did I do that You know All these things lead up to You know You critiquing yourself I'm thinking Nah man I shouldn't be acting like this I'm too old I had a time I was only 23 I was thinking Nah man I can't be doing this You know But prison for me It was a wake up call You know Even the fact that You know People go into prisons And some of them don't come out Come out of prisons You know That the kid I told you I don't know I told you There's a kid that got killed in prison He didn't come out He had eight weeks left He had eight weeks left He got into a situation With another kid You know Over a mobile phone And he got He got stabbed and he died He didn't make it home Eight weeks He go in there Thinking You know I'm gonna do my bed And go home See my mom See my girl See my kids And you get into a stupid situation With a small guy And you put you to bed You don't come out You know Over a phone Did you get psychiatric reports Yeah They must have been off the fucking chart Yeah The judge requested for those Yeah The judge should obviously speak I have you're enough people I know people I can see you've got it And you're not I can see you're a big fucking nutcase I can also see you're trying to change Yeah I can see where there's psychiatric reports I would love to see them Mate I'm surprised they didn't keep you in I had to do 30 courses to get out of there Yeah I'm surprised you're not there 130, mate I'm surprised they didn't keep you in I tell you I tell you what though Did you like violence? I I like it if it's swift Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no drama No merciful like violence You know So I had people You see people in prisons They used to show me videos Of people getting knifed Like 50 times I'm not bro Don't show me that They're like yeah but like You know You do shit like this I said bro Listen If you're gonna do anything Malicious to someone Be swift of what you're doing Do you know something Saying don't I don't know about violence guys Right But don't Fucking show me that Sick shit If you're gonna do something Swift and leave You know When this kid died in prison I remember He died in front of 60 people Right He got knifed And died And I remember I was with some People that were serving time For murder Double murder Right double murder Murder and attempted murder And when they saw The guy dying Yeah That haunted them And you'd think That this guy's put away Two people was in prison Serving a sentence for it You know He should be used to seeing this No Nobody knives up a person Or sticks around and goes Oh let me look in his eyes Let me see what's happening No When they witnessed this Kid stiffening Right And his eyes Pinging around his head That woke up Everyone that was there And they came back Cause I didn't stick around I show off I knew what was happening I was like I'm off They came back to me And they said What does it mean when he's Plants his foot next to His other foot And his leg stiffens And his hands stiffen And he's as I'm looking at him I'm thinking Dude You're in here for killing two people I said Bro That kid's dead Before he was pronounced I was able to tell them That kid's dead bro Do you understand Like Like what That kid's dead But funny enough As soon as that kid died Murder Homicide unit came straight from me You know Like murder Murder squad They came straight from me You know Cause obviously what The officers Claimed that they saw Two people having an altercation And I You know I was involved in an altercation Some shit like that Which wasn't true You know Allegedly No It's okay But Yeah They came to investigate I know They're all over my case They're all over my case But the kid bit the case The kid initially beat the case and went home And the kid that was meant to go home in eight weeks He went home and not coughing Imagine that How How was it coming out Was it hard to stay Can I tell you something Yeah When I got When I got out of prison after ten years It's as though I haven't left And people are like What How Bro My brain wasn't Melted nothing It's as though I've just been in a slumber And I just walk up And it's like Well What was that all about The whole time I look forward to getting out And when I get out It's as though There was nothing for me to look forward to Because I said this is done You know you get most people that try to Have a mental breakdown And they're in the room Rocking back and forth None of that for me man The only thing that I was anxious about Is the speed of the car That was going Even though they were doing 30 miles an hour I was anxious about that Because I haven't been moving at that speed For the past ten years I've been walking speed Slow motion Yes slow motion Everything's been slow motion for me So I'm just walking around The exercise yard I'm walking around Sixteen establishments That I've been in Throughout my whole time Because they've moved me up And down the country Because I was kind of Influential in whatever prison That I went to So I'm used to a walking pace You know I done Prison up in Liverpool I done prison up in Wales I was up in Brexom That's super max No not super max Huge 3,000 prisoners I was up in Cambridge I was up in Sussex Surrey everywhere Not in Loudoun Grange I've done a whole tour man I've done a whole tour But apart from just The speed of the car Man if you're looking at me now If you were to walk past me in the street You didn't know I just Come out during the pandemic You know you never know Where does the name Ghost come from? I've had that since I was a kid How the fuck can you call your ghost You're six feet five Fuck it But that's the thing Six foot five But you'll never see me coming Is that why they call it ghost? You'll never see me coming To be honest with you They call me ghost Because I used to do music Is that it? Yes I used to do music But After I stopped doing that trash And went into something else I actually had to Embody that Do you regret leaving music? The music was trash Yes No I don't But generally listening to GZ At the start they were fucking shit They were fucking heart-in-the-mill Yeah of course But that's consistency Yeah yeah yeah You're right But yeah no It was music was trash Music was trash But now I do more positive things I'm giving back to the community I teach people Can you imagine that? Me I teach people You know I'm giving guys Help I'm helping to give guys Second chances I've come out of prison I want to get into employment What's your biggest regret? I don't have one And I'm being honest Everything happens for a reason If I had a regret I'll still be holding onto something That's happened in the past In order to move forward And let go of everything You have to accept whatever's happened I accept everything And I wouldn't change anything Not a single thing Because that's what's made me who I am today You're doing a lot of positive changes Now what we shall touch on How's that Trying to do writing life Trying to do better Because everybody No matter who it is I'll speak to you I know they've done bad shit But I still know they've got it in them They've still got that devil there They've still got that Ah yeah yeah yeah Not men So you know I stay away from like Drama and stuff like that You know Because I wouldn't want to be Tested put back in the situation like that Do you worry that you could be tested Because the next sentence is live Yeah no I tend to I choose Where I show up And where I don't show up Because I don't want to be in that situation Where I have to You know Because I have everyone's got that little voice In their head Mine's You know Somewhat a bit stronger than The normal person You know I start having an argument Or not an argument But like a conversation in my head Where If any doubt starts coming into Into my space Then I feel like I got rectified That one thing I never want to do Or feel Is that I don't know who I am Or I'm second guessing myself Or You know Then there's problems You know Did you hear voices? No Did you used to? I do talk to myself though But that's healthy Right Yeah yeah I've heard what it does Yeah I do talk to myself Um No one stage in prison I let you know About just because I was high in it Ha ha ha Everybody hears voices When I'm high You know what I mean You know what I mean It's because It's because I was high And I had to stop that shit Because I was like Whoa this Did you go on jobs? Hi Did you go on? No no no Yeah could you I'd be paranoid No way No way I Some people do it Yeah yeah But that's because they need nerves The nerves have got the better of them I'm chilled man I don't need alcohol I've always been one of them people You know If I'm coming to do You know Capital punishment job And I'm talking about You know Shooting someone That I enjoyed doing That Because You know that was just one stop and gone You know obviously I enjoyed making money as well But retaliation There was always something about You know like Something Euphoric about revenge You know How's it now then Like I say Making changes And try to do right and leave And try to keep back from the trouble Because you're still young man That's even more rewarding to be honest with you Yeah Yeah that's even more Yeah How can people get People might be fucking scared to work with you man But These things actually help Because people go to know what he's actually Right Yeah That's the past Yeah of course That's the past That's why we'll touch on the positives For the online coaching Like I say You're a big fucking unit You're a man mountain So How can People get involved Are you doing PT Are you doing online coaching I'm a PT But only for a select few Obviously I've got to vet you I'm fine Do you ever worry about that Okay Do a PT And then you As someone who You had grievances with No I don't PT in the area No but do you know what I mean Do you still have to Search and look out Who you're working with I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've have the upper hand because I know if the person's in there they'll do anything to protect the home. Do you understand? Obviously the last thing I need to be doing is putting their dad down in front of the kids. Do you know what I'm saying? But all me getting put down in front of the kids, all the kids witnessing anything like that. Do you know what I mean? So I'm there to control the situation man. Pretty rarely that happened. Do you have any emails? No. I sleep soundly. Seriously, because I have accepted my responsibility and I've reached out to try and apologize to the people and I'm putting positive back into the community online coaching, personal training, tutoring, stuff like that, tutoring other people. So I'm actually trying to do good, trying to pop back positive. It's not all about just taking. I'm all about giving back now. The past four years that I've been out, I've been giving back to the community. Where do you go forward for the future? To be honest, I want to start my own company, hiring online coaches and stuff like that. Getting them to push forward my training system. So I'm designing a training system that I'm going to be pushing forward. But the only way I'm going to take on, I don't want to say too much about my idea. But yeah, I've got a big aspirations and plan. So you've got a dream. And how can people get in contact? Like I say, what's your social media links and stuff? So I am GhostionX. That's my Instagram. And if you need online coaching or fitness tips, you can find me on www.IamGhostionX.com. How big is religion for you? Religions, that's what's changed me. You won't believe that. The reason why I don't touch that too much is because I feel, I don't want to put a stick, I don't want to put a bad, I don't want people to associate that with me, even though it's something that's very personal, you know? Because a good person or a person that goes out of the way to try and reconnect with God, you know, how even though it's a change and that's why it's happened, I don't want them to think, oh, you know, oh, that guy's Muslim and look at the stuff that he's done. You know what I mean? For me, it's very personal. And that's why I've changed. I haven't really said that. But that's why I've changed. I pray five times a day. I've been praying five times a day for 15 years. And that's what helps keep away, you know, all the bad thoughts. I've got to think about everything that I do, you know, before I do it. So for me, as my fundamentals, and that's why I'm good, I give back into the community, I try to do, go to, raise all the bad things that I've done. When's the last time you cried? I want to be honest with you. In a quote, because I was pissed off that I got 12 years, something I didn't do, by a genuine, and that was out of anger as well. You know what I'm doing? That is awesome. Other than that, I don't know, man. Right now, if something bad happens, I just accept it and I move on from that, man. You know, but what's the worst thing you've seen in prison? Oh, there's been a few. I've seen an attempted rape in prison. Yes. In Bellmarsh, in Bellmarsh, man. Do you know what? One of the worst things that I actually have, having said this before, one of the worst things that I regret is that I used to take me out of this kid. I used to walk out of Cowboy, right? I used to call him John Wayne, right? He was in Bellmarsh, and he had a funny walk. I used to get on to him dinnertime like, he's a grown man, right? But until one day, going to the showers, each landing has a shower on either side, right? So as I'm in the showers, before I got in there, I heard a guy screaming from the opposite side of the showers. And it's this black guy, massive black guy stood over this other geezer, the white guy with a bald head trying to force him to give him oral. This is in the marsh, right? And the guy had a mental breakdown. And he says, I'm not doing it anymore. I've had enough. I've had enough. I went into like a frenzied, like, you know, like crawled up like a little kid. I started crying. And this guy was still trying to force his genitalia in his face. And I think he waited for him to get in the showers. But to be honest with you, this guy was very weird, man. He just used to chill by the landing and just look at everyone, just walking up. I always used to think, man, what's up with this guy? He never used to talk to anyone. But that's because I think now it's all making sense. He was looking around for who can make sexual advances towards. But I think without a shadow of a doubt, who was raping this guy, without a shadow of a doubt, without a shadow of a doubt, who was raping this guy, because this guy, the whole time I was in there with him, he never walked normal. And they were banged up together. And that day that he had that mental breakdown saying, I'm not doing any, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not letting you make advances. And it wasn't even looking at him when he was saying it. And this guy still had his towel open stood over him like that, trying to crouch down in his face. That was scarring for me because I was like, whoa, that could be anyone, but that's insane. How are you feeling today coming on and speaking some madness and trying to change your life and do better? It's good. It's always good to get off your chest. It's like a therapist. Do you know, I don't so much therapy in there, not therapy, but is it like counseling? Is it counseling? No, it's therapy. Is it therapy? Because you've never been fucking based on an account. I'm not even going to lie to you. I had done so much. I spent a lot of time with one of my friends in there. He had a co-defendant called Lee Murray. Yeah, Lee Murray's co-defendant, the one that came back. I spent a lot of time with him. Me and him just used to crack jokes and that's how we got through a lot of our time. He's a good fella. But I had done so much therapy. Man, I started fucking being their therapist. You try to predict all the moves that they're... Because they go, oh, literally, they've got a SSU. So they'll say things like they'll set up situations or the red flag situations. I'd done so much of that stuff that I was able to see the gameplay and watch them observe me type of shit. So that thing can either, you know, I don't know, you can become better at that type of stuff, like mental games, mind games and stuff like that. Everything, as a game to your league, you say it's like a chess game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And try to assess everybody and be in control. You try and control every situation. No, but there's certain situations I can't control and accept that as well. Like what? If a girl doesn't want to be with you. When are you most vulnerable? Breaking someone's heart, if I'm going to be honest. Whether that's me, my brothers or whoever, if it's my wife or family member or the boys that you see move. That, for me, someone turns around and I said, I thought I knew you. I thought you was my friend. I thought you was my brother type of shit. And then you're like, like I said to you, second guessing yourself. Like, you know, when you go away thinking, shit man, that was a bit intense. What was that? What am I doing type of thing? That's my, that's, that's, I shouldn't even be telling them this because they'll, they'll fuck me. They'll fuck me. They'll fuck me for these cars. Hey man, I thought I knew you. Don't do that. So how, like I say, man, for the shit that you've done, the shit that you've been involved in, to then try to make changes, got your message now, baby, on the way. It's a beautiful thing and it shows that people can change. Yeah. And listen, I wish you nothing but this best success. Thank you very much for having me. I'll leave you and would you like to finish up on anything else brother? It's just some message for the youth, you know, you know, life's short, you know, try and make the best choices that you can in your life. And the reason why I've told my story, not to, it's not to glamourize violence or, you know, to give you any ideas is to, to you, for you to learn from my story and not go down the same road that I've gone down. You know, it might seem like finding games at the beginning, but again, you're the one that gets to lose and you're the, you're the ultimate loser in this thing here, you know. For anybody watching, that's maybe an LA for struggle right now. What advice would you have for them? Listen, at this precise moment in your life, it can't get any worse. The only way is up. You know, there was one, there was a time in my life where I was fighting my trial from the block, from the segregation and I've been in there five months and I was fighting the trial from there and I wasn't allowed to mix with anyone else. And I was already serving 12 years and I was looking at a possibility of another life, of a life sentence, you know, because they were trying to push for a life sentence. And mentally, I couldn't get any lower. But one thing that you've got to remember is life is not one straight line, you know, and it's not always an incline. It's always going to be a dip. It's going to be an incline. So it's got to, it's going to get better, you know, it never stays at that precise depth, man. You just got to keep hope. Adam, listen for coming on today. Thanks for having me. I really enjoyed your story, man. It's been a bit of a mad roller coaster, but I genuinely wish you nothing but the best for future. Thank you so much for having me on, brother. God bless you, bro. You too, brother.