 So they only specialize in those two age groups. It could just be seed funding, right? That's where you start when you start eating. You start with basic, simple foods. And just go with the apple seed. That's kind of right in itself, doesn't it? Maybe. But you don't need seeds, it's true, but you plant them. But apple seeds also contain cyanide, so maybe that's not such a good thing. That's actually a perfect analogy. And it's got to be in a well of fertilizer for it to work. I think we're getting somewhere here. There's Wayshack. Uh-oh. Camilla. We're live. We've got audio, stream, everything. All right. Killing audio. Bye, audio. Yeah. I'll just nick that one a real fast one off the top. And then Roger, you're on Apple Watch. It's not about so the iPhone. How many Rogers can stand on the Apple Watch, on the head of an Apple Watch? Count the number of Rogers on the head of an Apple Watch. All right. You ready? Mm-hmm. Here we go. 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Researchers at the University of California, Santa Barbara, found a way to find out location information about Waze users. You're going to see a lot of headlines that say you can be stalked on Waze, which I guess is kind of true. This is really just security researchers figuring out a technique to intercept SSL information from any app by using the way apps communicate with servers. So it's, it's more interesting than just about Waze. Waze has been working with the researchers to address their concerns. They're presenting their paper at a conference called MOBISIS, which focuses on mobile systems at the end of June in Singapore. Interesting. Interesting. For the raw, I think people are going to be really interested in this for the wrong reasons because they're like, oh, I can be tracked on Waze. You can be tracked on any app. I'm just like on MOBISIS. It sounds like some kind of skin condition. Yeah. This, you apply four days of conference going and then it goes away. At the Dropbox Open Conference in London, Dropbox announced a preview of a forthcoming feature called Project Infinite. I'm very excited about this. I've wanted them to do it for a while. It's something Microsoft used to do in OneDrive and then took away in Windows 10. The feature shows all your files and folders in a Dropbox account, whether they're actually on the device you're using or not. So it doesn't matter if you're on a laptop, desktop, how much storage you got, it says here are all the files. If they are locally available files stored on the hard drive, they show up with a check mark. You're familiar with that if you're a Dropbox user. If they're not stored locally, they show up with a cloud symbol and you just click on them and they download and you can access that file as if it was stored locally. Dropbox did not announce pricing or availability, although the descriptions all showed them in business settings, so we don't know whether this will just be available to business users or not. But as I'm very much want this feature. Yeah, I know with small SSDs, I would want to be able to like offload stuff somewhere else so my desktop and laptop can access the same stuff all the time without it being so weird. Yeah, a lot of the reason that I always go for the largest hard drive I can is I don't want to have to manage what stuff shows up in Dropbox. I just want to not have to think about it and this would mean that there would be less for me to think about it. I'm also curious about how you manage if they change the way you manage what stuff actually syncs and what doesn't. When you click on something and it downloads, how do you make sure it doesn't stay downloaded if you've got a small drive, a lot of details that I'm curious about as well. I'm sure they figured out what the business users. YouTube has redesigned the home page for its iOS and Android apps with full disclosure. Tom's wife works for YouTube replacing the small thumbnails and the list will be a single feed of recommended videos with larger thumbnails. Only about two items will show up on the screen at a time and improved algorithm creates the list. YouTube is also introducing six second long unskippable bumper ads. The new option will be available to all advertisers in May. Yeah, a lot of people are upset about this six second thing because they're unskippable. The current skip thing is five seconds. Like you have to see five seconds before you can skip it. So it's only one more second and then the ads actually over. I'm not sure how much that bothers me. Does it apply to YouTube red? No, I mean, if you're on YouTube red, you don't see the commercials anyway. So that's a good point. I'm never going to see this on my actual regular YouTube account. I only ever see ads on YouTube when I'm using the Daily Tech News Show account. Yeah, I'm going to stick to red then. Yeah. And the new home page on iOS, I don't really watch YouTube on iOS a lot or Android, but people who do, I'm sure we'll find this will benefit them. Discovery is one of the big issues, especially on YouTube. Google, Ford, Volvo, Uber and Lyft are part of a new group called the Self-Driving Coalition for Safer Streets or Suduxus to push for the U.S. federal government to help ease the way for self-driving cars. They basically just want to harmonize all the rules because all the states are coming up with different rules. Rogers reports the group wants to have one clear set of federal standards. Former National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration head David Strickland will be the coalition's council and spokesman. So it's a classic case of ex-government official becomes lobbyist. NHSTA plans on having its guidance on autonomous vehicles by July. And so I think this coalition is trying to make sure they have an influence on that. Yeah, I mean, it's always good to know from the inside out how the stuff works. Just, you know, kind of have the inside baseball thing. Another selfie? Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to add that I do think that, you know, I don't have a problem with the way California is approaching this. I think it's very conservative and very cautious. But if California says one thing and then Florida says a different thing and Michigan says a different thing, that that's going to slow down adoption of self-driving cars because you'll have to deal with all these different rules. So harmonizing those rules is probably a good thing. Yeah. Then the other thing is the company is without this kind of, this harmonization would have to figure out what's the most restrictive applied to the car and the car's not going to know. So it has to know where it is to change the rules. So you're going to be done with the most restrictive version of the car. So you want it to actually have as much function as you can. Let's talk about drones. Another selfie drone is on the way. China's 00 robotics. No, it didn't start. It's called 00 robotics has raised $25 million to build hover, a self-flying UAV with a 4k capable 13 megapixel camera. Now software provides electronic image stabilization because there's no optical image stabilization and face and body recognition. It's 240 grams. So there's no need to register this drone in the U.S. It's expected to ship this summer. I'll just float there and take video of you. Great for walk and talk shots. If you don't have that money for a cameraman, I guess. As long as the audio is recorded separately. You know, this is awesome for weddings. Just follows you right down the aisle. I just have this horrible picture of getting caught in a veil. No, it knows how to stay far away from you, I hope. I don't know if that's veil detection. Yeah, it didn't say anything about veil detection. A stealth technology, valley. Nokia announced it intends to purchase withings, the French electronics company that focuses on health applications. Nokia will spend 170 million euros to do so. Nokia calls digital health, quote, an area of strategic interest. This kind of focuses Nokia's plans a little bit. Don't forget they acquired Alcatel Lucent to strengthen the networking business. They sold the maps business. And withings will be the first company they've acquired recently to bolster the Nokia Technologies business, which right now licenses out the Nokia brand name. They're behind the N1 tablet. They're behind that VR camera we talked about a while ago. And of course, they handle the mobile patents, which is probably the biggest revenue generator for them. So actually having a digital health company like withings, which has a pretty good name for this stuff, I think will be beneficial. And it's interesting to think of Nokia becoming a health company. Yeah, they were the wear company and I guess how are you company? Yeah, that's what they're company. How are you doing? How are you faring? That'll be the best I wish. Nokia, how are you doing? How you doing? Because they're from Brooklyn now. Lionsgate is making its feature films available for rental through Steam, the gaming store, the Hunger Games, Reservoir Dogs, and the Cabin in the Woods are among the titles available. Movies have to be watched within 48 hours of renting and can only be played in Steam while connected to the internet. So you get to kind of stream, not so much on Steam. Yeah, this, I feel like people want this to be cooler than it is, because it's on Steam. They're like, yes, I wanna buy movies through Steam, like I buy video games through Steam, except there really isn't a set top box app for Steam. Not saying that you can't do Steam on in your entertainment center, but there's not like a Roku app for it or something like that. And these are just rentals. I feel like Steam is doing this so that if you get an HTC Vive maybe, you can maybe watch some videos in there, watch some movies in there. Lionsgate is just wanting to find another place to rake in some more money, so it makes sense there too. Yeah. US Department of Justice and Federal Communications Commission have approved charter communications to purchase Time Warner Cable and Brighthouse Networks. Charter must agree not to limit licensing to online providers. In other words, they can't get in the way of Hulu and Netflix acquiring the video that is being licensed to Charter as well. Charter also agrees not to allow usage-based pricing, not to impose data caps or charge interconnection fees to providers like Netflix. Full FCC board is expected to vote to accept the deal. Charter would become the second largest internet service provider in the United States. I gotta do some research on Charter because I was already expecting Comcast to be my new Time Warner Overlord, but that got canceled. Now it's Charter. Gotta read into them to see if my Time Warner service will get better or worse or stay the same. It's kind of the new way of regulating companies. The FCC says, oh, we know you're gonna sell yourself to somebody at some point or you're gonna wanna acquire somebody. So we'll put our regulations imposed on you in order to get us to approve the merger. Charter actually doesn't do a lot of these things already. Time Warner Cable does. Time Warner Cable is famous for testing out data caps. So it may be easy for Charter to agree to these things. I'd say, yeah, absolutely. That's never been our bag anyway. That's kind of sad. Because Time Warner was working so hard to get sold. Say they were getting nicer and nicer to the customer. So who knows if that'll continue. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what the Charter subscribers think of this because I know their cable vision seems to be the most customer friendly of them. Charter's not too bad, although they've done some stuff. Usually it's just bad with outages and things from what I can hear. But yeah, it is still consolidation of an ISP which gives an ISP more leverage. And I think what the FCC is doing here is saying, we just need to make sure that you don't, you don't have the ability to abuse your leverage. From reality to virtual reality, HTC is putting $100 million into a startup accelerator for virtual reality. The pilot program starts in May in Beijing while HTC will take a small amount of equity in exchange for its support and coaching. The results do not have to be exclusive to the HTC Vive, so other VR things can actually use it. If Beijing goes well, HTC plans to expand to San Francisco and Taipei. It's an interesting move. Yeah, and a lot of times I think we think of the HTC Vive as being a Steam device because it's in partnership but HTC is banking on it as being its future. And it would be interesting to see if this pays off, they start acquiring some really good stuff. The HTC Vive gets a few cool apps first because they come out of this program, HTC, and the future might be thought of as a VR company and we just laugh like, remember when they sold phones? That was funny. Yeah, I think people have a hard time remembering they sell phones now. Yeah, although I guess phones are also a vector for VR so they might not give up that. Bloomberg reports mobile phones sold in India must now include an emergency button, well, not yet actually. They must include an emergency button by January of next year and they must include satellite-based location technology from the start of 2018. All mobile phones, not just smartphones. On a smartphone, the button must be a dedicated key. On a smaller phone, a non-smartphone, you have to be able to hold down the five and the nine to activate it. The button must dial emergency services when activated. Those are just getting ramped up in India. 112 is due to become the nationwide emergency response number in the next few months. Or be an interesting design for these phones if they actually make it out of India as well. Twitter announced it had 310 million monthly active users last quarter up from 302 million a year ago and 305 million last quarter. Twitter also announced revenue of $595 million in the non-gap earnings per share of 15 cents. Now analysts expected 10 cents a share and revenues of $608 million. So they expect certain things. I mean, it's funny, like usually they're saying, well, Twitter's making plenty of money. They're just not getting enough users. This time, they didn't make as much money as Wall Street wanted them to. The users went up, they didn't go up very much. It's overall just a blah to negative report for Twitter. And I think it's a little early for Jack Dorsey to really have had a big effect on things, but next couple of quarters, they're gonna have to start showing a turnaround. Yeah, when they grab those rights, I mean, they have the rights to the NFL like on Thursday. So that's gonna be a really strange experiment to see how that shakes out. Yeah, yeah, and that won't happen until next year. So gotta give them a little time. At least it's not going backwards, at least not yet. Apple has a lot of spotlight on their earnings, posting quarterly revenue of $50.6 billion and quarterly net income of $10.5 billion or $1.90 per diluted share. These results compared to revenue of $58 billion and net income of $13.6 billion or $2.33 per diluted share a year ago. So in other words, revenue went down, earnings per share went down, iPhone unit sales were also down from a year ago for the first time. They were 51.2 million down 16%. Everybody's been worried about Apple for a long time and Apple's been doing fine in setting records. This is what people were worried about right here. Yeah, I mean, when it comes to innovation, Apple's way ahead for years, the question is whether this phone can withstand all the competition out there, but the fun part about this, as consumers, is if this actually scares Apple and they've probably been able to project this a while ago, they might be trying some really crazy stuff soon, like a car. Yeah, no, we've been hearing all kinds of reports about that and I obviously have hired people with car expertise, so is it too late? I mean, probably not, that seems alarmist, but they should have had their next big hit by now even if their iPhone sales were finally slowing to say, ah, yes, but the Apple Watch is absolutely taking off and there's a lot of folks out there who are reading the tea leaves and saying that the Apple Watch actually outsells the iPhone this quarter. Apple doesn't report those Apple Watch numbers separately and that's probably for a reason. If they were getting record numbers, one would think they would report them separately. Maybe they will be reported separately. Maybe we'll hear more about that later on today. These numbers just came out while we're recording this, but it's not like the iPhone where they're like, well, so what if iPod sales are declining? Look at those iPhone numbers, right? iPad sales have been declining for a while. They don't have the obvious error to the throne yet. Right, I think the big secret one right now is still Apple TV. If that thing ever gets its act together where it has that TV service that's in rumored forever, maybe that's their thing. They're just like waiting to pull out this thing like, hey, we got this, oh, we don't have the deal yet. We don't have it. Looks like they've had a lot of false starts, so that might be their next big thing. Thanks to everybody who submitted things that we used on our subreddit. We had some fantastic folks in there. Motang was in there, SP Sheridan was in there. All kinds of folks submitting stuff and voting on our subreddit. Get in there and be one of them. Submit stories and vote at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines. All right, we'll wait for Apple to have their earnings call, which may have happened by now. We'll talk a little bit about that tomorrow. I wanted to talk with IaaS today about Beyonce's Lemonade album. Now, IaaS, have you listened to the album? It's not really exactly what we're gonna talk about. No, I haven't listened to the album. I've seen clips from the visual album, but I have not actually listened to it. I actually watched the HBO special on Saturday night and it was a lot of honesty. Somebody's calling it fan fiction. They're saying it's exaggerated and of course it is, because it's music. But the interesting thing was it went away after it was on HBO for a day. Then it was only going to be available on title. The big thing over the weekend is exclusive to title. Well, it turns out it was exclusive streaming on title. You can buy the album on iTunes and Amazon, although I checked on Google Play earlier and I haven't seen it available on Google Play. So they're even restricting where you can buy it, but they put it on iTunes. That's where a ton of people buy music. And you were pointing out that this exclusive model, even though it's not exclusive to title for purchase, does complicate your life as a music fan? Yeah, I mean, you gotta figure out which service, one you're paying money to. So if you're gonna have streaming, all you can eat with you is Spotify or Title at this point, or Google Play or Apple Music or whatever the heck you wanna have, you have to actually start thinking who's gonna be where? And it's almost like, instead of it being this all-you-can-eat model, you lose that entirely, you've gotta choose, do I like this band more? Am I willing to buy their stuff and import it in? Because that's why I use Google Play music, because I can actually upload my music to it. So if I have old CDs or I just wanna take and buy DRM-free MP3s, I can just upload it there. I can have access everywhere. But that's still a little hacky for something that should be better. Yeah, and when digital music was new, and the majority of people were still buying things on CDs, I was willing to go through some hoops to make my listening happen. And a lot of times that involved ripping CDs, right? And it was like, okay, I'm managing my digital files. These days, digital music is where things are. There's often digital exclusives, which I don't mind because I personally don't buy CDs much if at all anymore. Apologies to Nate Langston, who I know is still doing that because he thinks it's the best way. And maybe he's right. Maybe I should go back to thinking that way because what's happening now is I looked at streaming services as easing my need to manage my music collection. I no longer had to buy things and try to figure out how to get them from one service into another. So if I buy them on Amazon, how do I put them in my iTunes collection? Or if I buy them on iTunes, how do I get them into my Google collection? I could just have a streaming service and go from there. And now as we start to struggle with this business model, I have to think about who I wanna listen to. Like, oh wait, do I wanna listen to Beyonce? Well, if I don't, then I don't really care. But the next artist that does this might be somebody you do care about. And then you're like, oh, I guess I'll switch to title. I mean, then the next artist that's exclusive on some other platform, you might have to switch back. You're gonna have to have multiple streaming services and then it just becomes way too complicated. And I don't know that it's good for the artist where music has generally thrived at being listenable everywhere and purchasable almost everywhere. Yeah, I was thinking about when, I think it was the Life of Pablo, that was the big Kanye thing, was like, it's never gonna be anywhere else but title. This is the only place you're gonna be able to get it. Shows up later on Apple music, I believe. And the other thing is in that little interim period because some people were like, screw that, I'm not doing title. That album was downloaded a crap ton of times. So I'm not saying that it forces piracy but if you're going to put up these walls what used to be easily accessible and it was easily gotten on different services, which are up into the walls, you have to run against the people going, well, is it worth my money to go to that service or am I going to steal it? Because that could be easy because these files are tiny compared to the old days. This is music files. We're talking about an hour of music's tiny. It's not like the 99 cent model. We're talking about $9.99 a month or you're gonna sign up for a free trial and listen to the music. So it seems a little strange. Also, I really find it odd that these exclusive windows are strangely short. Here's 24 hours because imagine all the people signed up and they're like, oh, I have to get title to listen to Beyoncé. And then they find out they could just buy it the next day for 18 bucks in total. Two months of title music, I guess. But still, it seems a little bit like it could be bad for the consumers who are just trying to listen to music. And when Ardio went away, one of the frustrations I had is I'd spent some time building some playlists there and it wasn't impossible to export those playlists but it was a pain. And the services don't make it easy to move even just your list of songs between them. And of course, there's no guarantee that the service you move to will have all the same songs as the service you're moving off of. So once you lock yourself into a service you kinda wanna stay there because it's a pain to move. And if suddenly the artist you want isn't there anymore it's like, well, what can I do? One of the reasons I picked Google Music was the ability to take my own songs that I purchased and upload them and even if they're not available in the service. For instance, Beyoncé. I can buy Beyoncé's album on iTunes, upload it to my Google Music account and play it there without having to worry. So it gave me the flexibility, but that's still a lot of work to go through. And my guess is, I'm curious what you think I is. My guess is this is all growing pains as we figured out that streaming was a better option to fight piracy than DRM. And when I say we, I mean the music industry. Now the music industry is playing around to see what advantages they can get. And that's fair. You wanna figure out what the best system for you is but that's going to hurt the consumer for a while until the consumer puts that pressure back and says, well, no, I mean, you're not gonna sell as many albums because I'm not gonna buy them. And we figure out a new way to get everybody paid which seems to be the big driver here is they're like, we're not making enough on streaming. And I still, my hunch is that we're not making enough on streaming because there aren't enough people. We haven't got streaming to scale yet, but when it does get to scale and which it's getting to more and more, the money's gonna be flowing in large amounts. Yeah, with things like, I'm thinking about T-Mobile's Uncarrier movement where the music itself is encountering against your caps. So there's caps that stop people from listening to those kinds of music on their portable devices, I think in general, because once you hit that cap, you don't wanna pay all that extra money. I was reading an LA Times article about basically what the music industry is doing now, essentially comparing it to windowing for movie releases. I'm like, yeah, actually, that's kind of what this is like. It's the exact same thing. You're seeing stuff come out. There's this little window of exclusiveness on whether it's on HBO or it's showing up on an in-flight movie or in hotels or whatever and before it shows up on Blu-ray or whatever else. That had a ton of problems over time and that's still not even figured out. So the music industry wants to figure something out. They should go, hey, this is weird. So the music industry actually has to look in the movie industry as an example and figure out what is a mistake, a pitfall they shouldn't make. I'm not saying to follow the example, but to view it and figure out what is a better way to handle this because if you burn a consumer enough, they just won't bother with this and as important as these stars are, I mean, you got a big name like Beyonce, that's gonna get people to really pay attention to something like this. But the smaller artists, they have to suffer basically because they had to figure out which one to be signed with as well. Like, are those albums, are those records, the labels that is, do they go to title because there's a really big star right now or they go to Taylor Swift who was on Apple who was a really big fan of them for a little bit. Like that could be a huge, a lot of rolling effects here, waterfall effect as you would. Yeah, and one of the ways that artists make the most money these days is touring and merchandise. And Mr. Green in the chat room points out, Spotify is a horrible way to make money if you're not a major artist. Yes and no, it's a better way than existed before streaming but it doesn't have the scale to pay you large checks. You can't make all your money off Spotify any more than you could on radio. Radio is an even worse way to make money because they don't pay you anything. The whole bet with radio was if people hear my song, they'll wanna buy it and see my concerts. Streaming is a little bit better because you actually make some money but the idea again is if people stream my songs, they'll wanna come to my concerts. So if you're an artist of Beyonce's caliber who has full control and your husband owns title, I get why you're like, you know what, let's try this out. Let's see what happens. You know, I'm a big artist. People are gonna want my album. If I'm experimenting though, I'm not gonna go exclusive. What I want is as much exposure as possible on streaming, radio, Pandora, anywhere I can get it so that people wanna come out to my shows, pay money to see me and buy my merch because that's where more of the money is going to be made. Strangely, could you imagine if songs were exclusive to radio stations? It's like, that's it. It's only on 100.3. That's the only question I'm gonna hear it. You know, that's a really good point because there were exclusives to radio stations occasionally where like a record company would say, we'll give this to you a couple of days before release so you get an exclusive preview but it was only a couple of days, right? And I guess that's what title ended up doing. It was exclusive to title for a couple of days before it was available for purchase. So I don't mind that so much. If it's like, well, title has the exclusive for a week then it'll come to Spotify and everything else. That seems fair. Like, all right, they, you know, I get it, Beyonce and Jay-Z are together and he owns title. That's fine. Or whatever. I mean, you know, having a small window I think is okay but saying like it will never be anywhere else which is what they've said. Streaming-wise, it will never be able for streaming anywhere else. That just seems like it's bad for everybody. Should there be a level of transparency when it comes to these exclusive windows or should it just be the way it is right now? Because it seems like, I believe it's like a New York Times report that said that it would be on sale at the end of Sunday and some people were angry because they didn't know that when they started up. Do you think they should, these companies or these artists should be like, okay, look, it's an exclusive window, three weeks, choose what you want or should they just do the dark and keep you in the dark kind of thing? I mean, yeah, obviously I think they should be transparent whether it should be the law for them to say that or not. I think existing laws against, you know, fake a false advertising and fraud probably cover it. And if they're saying you can't get it any other way and then change that, that's a problem. If they just didn't tell you that was on sale, well, that's just not, that's not nice. I don't know if that's illegal. I do think that they're better served with their audience and not angering the audience and they ought to tell them ahead of time. But then again, title's got a 30 day free trial. So if you signed up for title just to get that album then found out you could buy, you can always cancel. I'm just, go ahead. No, no, that's it. I was gonna move us on unless you got something else to say. No, no, I think we wrapped everything on a nice little bow. Let's leave it there. Yeah, I think we solved all the music industry problems. We fixed it. Yeah, we did it. Here's something that's pretty cool though. Our pick of the day comes from Chris who was listening to our discussion about tipping on Monday. This can solve some of your issues around tipping, especially if you're not from the United States and you're like, we don't tip where I'm from. Or if you're from the United States and you're like, does this country accept tips? Is that gonna be rude? Who2tip.net. Chris says my friend Richard Powell is trying to condense who and how to tip etiquette from around the world. It starts by country, then you go into the country and it breaks it down by type of service, whether you're talking about restaurants or cabs or hotels. It's really nicely done. Who2tip.net can help you figure out what to do there. That sounds really handy. I guess in reaction to the whole Uber thing that might. Yeah, Chris was hearing us talking about the tipping situation. I guess we were still talking about it on Monday but it was Friday's topic about now Uber allows tips. Someone said that there's a way to tip in the Uber app. Uber has told Fortune that they don't expect to add that. So I don't know what app he was looking at. I have not seen that. Lyft on the other hand does include it in the app, which is like. Could be confusing the two. Send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. Our message of the day comes from Rick currently in Chicago land or at least he was when he sent this email. We have no idea where he is now. Hope you're okay, Rick. Says your story about associations and Uber reminds me about my experience umpiring youth in high school baseball. Umpires are independent contractors and usually join an association that helps provide injury insurance. The larger national associations are involved with working with the national baseball organizations like the National Federation of High Schools on rule changes for the following season. Many associations also are schedulers for the area and will take all of the umpires availability, location information and then schedule them into games. They have policies on how many games you're allowed to decline after being scheduled which sounds similar to policies on Uber. I can definitely see how forming an association could help independent contractor drivers have an advocate that represents a large number of independent contractors and will be able to work with the ride-sharing companies on setting rules that are in all the party's interests. I had another guy on Twitter point out that he's a referee and he's like, they give me and it'll take it or leave the contract. I don't get to negotiate it. So just the power to negotiate doesn't actually determine whether you're an independent contractor or not. Negotiations like, yes, I will take it. No, I won't take it. That's the entire negotiation. He was like, that's pretty much the only negotiating freedom that I have. But yeah, there's some specific rules about how you're allowed to acclaim that someone's an independent contractor and those rules are guidance. That's the other problem is there isn't a hard and fast test that is infallible. It's all court decided. It's kind of like fair use. There are things that they can point out and say usually if it's this case, you're considered an employee. Usually if it's this case, you're considered an independent contractor. Things like, do you have to follow a certain procedure or do you just have to deliver the thing? Can you use your own equipment or do you have to use the company's equipment? But there's nothing definitive about it. That brings me back to law school. That reminds me a long time ago. Sorry to give you the flashback. Well, that's it for this episode of Daily Tech News Show. Thank you, I as actor for joining. This was fantastic. Well, thank you for having me. It was fun to talk about tech with you because that's what we do. Been too long. 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And visit our website, DailyTechnewshow.com. I'm off tomorrow. Scott Johnson hosting the show with Jen Cutter as his guest. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Hehehehe. Boom. Ah, it's like old times. Good stuff. It was so easy to yap about tech. The last thing, the point I was gonna make that I was like, ah, we could kill it on that one was the idea that there could be a company one day that's known as the nice streaming company. That's like, yeah, we'll tell you how long the windows are. We're just gonna tell you, all right, up front. We're actually not like the other guys. So we all have exclusives and it's gonna be great, but we're gonna tell you the truth. They could compete on that, yeah. Like hover.com, not to give them a promotion, but yeah, I like their stuff. Or Ting, which is the same company. Yeah, two cows, they're just like, it's gonna cost you a little bit more, but we're not gonna screw you. It's like, yeah, we'll be fair about telling you what you get. Big friend of that. Yeah, me too. What do we got for titles at showbot.tv? Also, thanks for scrambling to get that Apple stuff like just in time, Roger. Yeah, it just like, whoa, it just came in. And the, yeah, the info was all over the place. Top of the heap is six second rule. I had to read that because he's the number six. Six second, to infinity, drop box and beyond, veil detection, I've had air to the throne, ways to hack ways. How you doing? I do like SDC FSS, just a mess of letters from the self-driving car thing. Oh, right, right. All known as Stu Goofsks. So Apple's sitting on a cash pile of $233 billion. Yeah, I mean, they are okay. They're not hurting. They're fine, I think they can buy airlines I mean, you know, you need that. There's no company forever has had a consistent, straight, like trend up, you know, you need it downward and up and out. You know, you need a breather. That way they can say, we beat last quarter. Yeah, well, you know, sometimes, you know, it's just the one for rainy day. Yeah, that or someone's gonna bezel those billions of dollars and live in a tropical island. Making a climb to the top of Shobot here. Disclaimer, Beyonce's hubby works a title. I'm voting for that. I like it. You may now take a selfie, trying to charge your cable. Apple TV false starts. See, it's the silver stream, stream on stream, lying gate streams. I'm writing in the ID three tags. What do we call it? So disclaimer, Beyonce's hubby works a title. Really? That's kind of long. That's my only. What about you? Six second rule. You guys like the disclaimer one? What do you think I asked? I voted for it. I'm also a fan of Sergeant Pepper's Only Hearts Club band. So I'm not good at short titles. All right, let's see. It's more of a statement than a title. It fits. You know, I don't like, I don't like stores or restaurants with very short names. Yeah, we're using it. What was the one? That's porting now. Nosh. I didn't like Nosh. That was a stupid name for restaurant. It was called Nosh Place. It was just called Nosh. Do you not like the hotel, the W, because its name is too long or is it only applied at restaurants? I've never, no, I've never stayed at the W. Or is it Syllable-wise? Syllable-wise, W is quite long to say. No, is it still? It's true. Nosh is done. Nosh is shorter than W, depending on your metric. Say W three times, W, W, W, versus Nosh, Nosh, Nosh, Nosh. You gotta say a lot of Noshes before you hit three Ws. Makes me hungry to say Nosh, Nosh, Nosh. Well, yeah, it's weird. I mean, it's certain, certain words are easier to say, not because of the syllable count, but because of the intonation on the words. So certain constants don't work very well together. Roger, did you realize you didn't like places that had one syllable names or short names after a series of them, or did you decide not to like them first? I didn't like, no, I didn't. When I started noticing more of them, it kind of felt annoying. I don't know why. It's like, it said that clothing, that French clothing store, that's F-C-U-K. It just looks, it just looks. Well, it looks like if your brain does a little trick, it could be a naughty word. To me, it just feels conscious. That word Veronica said yesterday on the show. She didn't say anything. You have no evidence, Tom. Sorry. You have an apology, but for what? We'll never know. For what? We'll never know. Only live knowers know for sure. And they could have been hallucinating, mass hallucination. Actually, I think it's still in the audio version and the treasured sound, I think about it. Yeah, but I didn't realize that YouTube, YouTube only allows you to download the full version, not like this. Oh, it doesn't give you the edited one. Not the edited, because you told me to edit it out, but I went to download the video and it's like the HD version, not just the SD, which would have been faster. Well, it depends on how fast you get to it. Like it'll give you the SD version if you download right away, because it's still converting them. It's weird, you get a different, you might get a different resolution depending on when you download it. This is for YouTube? Yeah. Yeah, so I got it. From the creator tool, you can choose to download your own video. So I downloaded it, edited it in Premiere and then re-exported it. So what's going on, Is? The move is taking up a lot of my brain space. Why, where are you moving? Just different place or? A bigger place, so we got a decent one bedroom here and my son stays over and his bed's actually in the back, there's a little loft bed, but now that he's older, we can go higher. So there's other lofted spaces that we've found another apartment that has basically a loft space over a lot of the apartment. So it's a lot of freaking space for somebody who's not super tall or me just sitting down normally. So it's actually quite a tall loft space. So it's gonna give us a ton more floor space in general. So. That's great. It's one block away. So does your son sleep in the living room or? Well, no, so the living room got over there. This space is, what was the living room? We're like, we'll just give him that space. The dog sleeps under him. Protecting him, yeah. One or the other. Or he's protecting the dog. Yeah, it's funny, cause there are two beds. So sometimes I find the boy laying on one of the beds with the tablet, trying to explain to Tori the dog what's going on on the tablet. Wow, it's instructing the dog. That's excellent. Yeah, I think it's teaching him the ways of Star Wars. He won't stop singing the Star Wars song. Either one of the main theme. You must be proud. Listen, when you hear the Imperial March, like a thousand times in the course of going to the bus, you don't like it so much. It becomes equivalent to wheels on the bus at that point. It's just like, okay, listen, kid, I love you. Could you not, just for like, just three minutes, three minutes, okay? I'll give you whatever you want. Switch to Leia's theme or something. Come on. I don't even know that one. It's actually, it's one of his games. It's one of the background music that plays, so he really likes it. And he saw the movies and he really likes them too. So yeah, so things are going pretty good over here. I mean, Liz is going to be back. That sounds good, yeah. Liz is going to be back. If that's your complaint, that's pretty awesome. Liz is coming back from work now. She says she's tired, so that's good. Hi Liz. Hello. Wait, is it good she's tired? No, no, it's, it's, that was me being sarcastic. If she's tired, that's not good for anybody. Nobody heard that. She's actually on her way home. She's not actually here. She would, I'm assuming she would say, hi Tom, hi Roger. Sure, sure. She wrote back, she just tapped it great. So I'm assuming that's gotta be it. Does she work, does she work in Manhattan? Yeah, she works at this place called Vornado. They're one of the biggest commercial real estate companies in New York. Oh, Vornado. Does that help you get your new place? It's commercial real estate. Yeah, okay. That's the problem. I was like, can we just live like at the garden? That's the problem. I know they're renovating it, but you got a great deal at a locker. Instead of the urban hammocks. Instead of getting, you know, 500 square feet. Here's 20,000 square feet. Now the rent, that's gonna be a couple of million dollars a month. But think of all the events that you could do. I can rent out the space. So I guess this is our, this is our parlor. We rent this out to the Rolling Stones occasionally. How about you guys? How you doing? Good, man. I am all right. I too am also contemplating a move. So I have a lot of things I need to think about. The contemplation is enough stress for the day. I think you should stop doing that for the rest of the day. Well, it's like, you know, how do you move six and a half hours away by making sure all the stuff I want to keep intact is intact? Actually, when you moved back to New York, did you sell everything and just take like a small group of stuff? I sold a lot of stuff. I got rid of a lot of stuff. I donated a lot of stuff. Some stuff I was gonna sell. Somebody threw up by accident so they had to bring me a big fat check. But then my prized possession, my Eames chair, got damaged on the cross-country move. And I was so livid. I told Liz, I'm like, you need to talk to them or I will hurt somebody. So- But they were bonded movers, right? Yeah, but the insurance was per pound and so it doesn't fix the chair as it was. So I had to pay myself for it, which was fun. So if you have anything that you really think is valuable to you, pay for the insurance on it, directly, not per pound. And what else did you do? Don't get attached to stuff. There's my tip. I have that X-Wing fighter I put together, the masterpiece X-Wing fighter from Lego. It originally was like 70 bucks by guy to us for 50 bucks because it's on sale. It took me three hours to put together and considering gluing it together. I know it's kind of an anthem for it. Can you shrink wrap it? Well, that's my idea was, so there's little pieces I'll try to glue on and then I'm gonna take it apart into its three component sections and then shrink wrap. I see. Well, let me not shrink wrap, but use- Just bring it down. When you fly down to look for places, just bring it down on the plane and then give it to me and I'll keep it here in the garage. And then open up the garage. It's just in pieces. It's just, yeah. It's in my box of Lego pieces. Like, oh, I figured you just put it together again. I'll be mixed it with these other 8,000 pieces. Well, what did you do for your computer? Did you have a desktop PC? My desktop was a part of the stuff that got moved. I had the original box for my Mac Pro that is shipped over. This is original boxes for my monitors. That's what I was saying I did with mine and Roger's like, I built my PC so there's no original box. Well, you can get foam. That's not like impossible. Sure, but the monitor boxes, that's usually the big one. Monitors and the TV though I had professionally packed and they were like. That's the only box I have left is the monitor I got secondhand, so I don't have a box for it. Was it a good monitor? It's a 23, you know, it's an old one. I bought it six, seven years ago. Yeah, like mine at this point, they get so hot because it's old technology is fluorescent instead of like LEDs. So it gets like a super hot box. I'm like, I don't really even need this anymore. It's just that attachment of I bought it. Yeah, most of the stuff I've made sure that we packed away nicely and neatly. My Hulk 181 comic book, that did fly on the plane with me. Like I kept that with me. I would not let anybody touch it. So I have like eight long boxes. I'm gonna tape those shut. I have eight long boxes. Well, eight long boxes and six shorties. Those will survive. Oh yeah. I mean, there's nothing, all the stuff that used to be valuable in it is probably no longer valuable. I mean, it was valuable sometime in 97, but the interest on those particular issues. It's a value to you though. I mean, like. Yeah, that's why I wanna move. That's the hard thing with insurance, right? It's like, there are things that I have that insurance will be like, that is not worth more than $20. I'm like, yeah, but to me. To me, it's worth your life. And it's irreplaceable. Like you can't, like, the example is not a move damage, but my dog, Django, chewed up a Christmas ornament that my grandpa had made. So it's not replaceable. That's a little rough. Yeah, stuff like that. You can't resurrect my grandfather from the dead and have him make another one. That's the other thing I like. I found my transformers. Ah, I was sticking with the box. My collectibles, collectibles in general, I got rid of a while ago. I think that's before I moved to California. So make sure I didn't have a lot there. Then I came over here again. And most of my stuff's fungible though. I can get new stuff anywhere because it's the same old crappy stuff. The next place though, I'm planning on staying a lot longer because I need to have things built for it. Yay. Well, like, how does rent work? Do you do it on an annual lease or can you, once you sign in for a new place? It should be a year lease. We told them this time that we can do two years if they want, so if they want security, if they're afraid. Because in Manhattan, you have to make 40 times the rent. Geez. I'm not making that up because I thought that number was ridiculous. And if you have a Garen tour, they need to make 80 times the rent. Wait, so what would the rent be? I mean, like, is it like four grand a month? I don't make that much money. But yeah, something like that. I don't make that much money. No, that's like, how does that even work? Well, so the thing is in my neighborhood, so this is a fun story. In my neighborhood, I am the scum of the neighborhood, okay? So everyone else here makes way more money than I do. So I'm walking around and I'm like, look at that trash, it's awesome because they're throwing out awesome stuff here. So if you're looking for good trash, Upper West Side. Upper West Side. There you go. The scavenger of Hell's Kitchen. I as an actor. Over North Hell's Kitchen, Hell's Kitchen. We looked at Hell's Kitchen, we looked at Hell's Kitchen and the thing is that the subway stop there is Times Square. And it's like, I am not daily going to, I'm not leaving. I can transfer to Times Square. Going out when people are just standing there. Upstairs, yeah. And the humans. So many humans. All the humans. There's a lot less tourists here. That's good, right? I don't know. Yeah, it's better to have less tourists. I don't know, you should look at Hell's Kitchen though. With Daredevil and Jessica Jones out, prices may have come down. I hear there's ninjas in this neighborhood. I don't want to live here. I heard something, but it was so quiet, I wasn't really sure. I thought I heard a sword. Yeah. All right, well, I'm done, I've uploaded. So thanks everybody for watching and listening. We'll see you later. I'm going to stop the stream now. Scott Johnson has the show tomorrow. Bye.