 I know we've all had a bit of a long day and a long week. There's been a lot going on. So in the interest of moving things forward, I'm going to start if anybody wants to come in late. That's totally OK. Thanks, everybody, for coming out to our talk today. My name is Aaron Unger. I'm the director of product development with the British government of British Columbia, not the British of government Columbia. I lead the digital identity interest program with the Ministry of Citizen Services. If anybody was at the keynote this morning, John Jordan is our executive director. And I work for John. I've worked for provincial governments across Canada for the last 16 years, focusing on open source software and leading teams to deliver effective open source software. In my current role, I lead multiple teams. You maybe saw Klessio and Akif talk yesterday. And Stevens talk today. They're some of the teams that we work with. And we're working to innovate and reshape the digital credential space in British Columbia. BC's digital trust program represents the government's commitment to delivering easy to access digital solutions that can be trusted to be safe and secure. Digital credentials enable safe interactions online and offer people and businesses more control when and where they share their data about themselves online. And again, I'm going to refer us to Stephen and Klessio and Akif's talks about more of the technical matters on that. But those are our initiatives. Specifically today, we're going to talk about a different use case and a different initiative in more detail. As a global movement builds towards low carbon and net zero strategies, governments are working to ensure the natural resource sector products are sustainably sourced. With me today is Kyle Robinson. Kyle's a senior strategic advisor. He's an independent consultant for the Energy and Minds Digital Trust Project with TELUS in the government of BC. He's an expert on digital trust technology. In fact, I ask him questions every day about it. He's got over 20 years of experience in IT business with government clients. And he's an active member of the Hyperledger Identity Special Interest Group and several Trust Over IP working groups. So Kyle, I'm going to ask you, can you tell us more about the Energy and Minds Digital Trust Initiative and what exactly is EMDT? Sure. So EMDT is Energy Minds Digital Trust, and it's an initiative that was started in 2019. We're going to figure out the date later, but 2019. And so it's been going for a while. Originally, it was working on both the use case for energy mining specifically. Recently, we've added energy use cases to that. But on the mining side, even Aaron was involved back in the early days there. And there was a technology component also involved with that initiative. So we had a development team working on the business partner agent, which is a Hyperledger Aries component. And then there's a long history through all of the EMDT. We've now done a component called Traction, which we'll talk about a bit later, which has now been moved over to the citizen services side. So that's the technology piece. But more importantly, today, we're talking about the use case. And so we'll get into some of the details later. Digital Trust Ecosystem, though, is, as you heard maybe in some of the other talks, use of verifiable credentials to do these transactions between the different parties that we see on this diagram here, and you also have that on your paper. So on the left-hand side, you'll see in general, those are the issuers who are creating credentials and issuing to, on this diagram, we have Copper Mountain Mine in the middle. We've been working with some other companies as well, but we're talking about Copper Mountain today. And then on the right-hand side, we can see those are the consumers of the verifiable credential data. And so we have our typical issuer holder verifier trust triangle. We're using Hyperledger Indy as our verifiable data registry for this solution as well. Excellent. Thank you, Kyle. And beside Kyle is Japchit Crud. She's a senior sustainability specialist with Copper Mountain Mining Corporation. And as you can see on the graphic, Copper Mountain Mining Corporation is one of EMDT's ecosystem participants in the natural resource sector. She's responsible for coordinating the company's ESG objectives, performance, and their reporting. She's an initiative leader for the Mining Association of Canada towards the Sustainable Mining Program within the company. And Japchit, can you tell me a little bit about your involvement with EMDT and your experience? Thank you. So our company got involved with EMDT, and we were part of the two pilot projects. One is towards Sustainable Mining Pilot, and the other one is G&G Reporting. So we had a couple of working sessions where EMDT tried to understand what the current workflow is within mining companies, how they are reporting to TSM or to PC government on their G&G performance. So we looked at the user personas and journey maps, where the information starts and how it's collected and how it gets verified and where all it is shared. And at each stage, what are the pain points of various stakeholders and how can that be made more efficient? So that was the whole purpose. And so we did the TSM use case, which is voluntary standard, which can help companies showcase that they are having responsible practices at their mine site. So this digital credential can really help mining companies to share credible ESG data with their parties that are interested in that data. And so far, the pilot has been great, and I think there's a great potential for digital technology in the mining sector. Thanks, Jeffsheet. That's excellent. So talking about the use case, I'm going to ask Kyle the next question and flip to our next slide. Kyle, can you describe how can digital trust technology enable sustainability reporting and talk about the use case a little bit more? Yeah, so one of the things that we worked with, with Copper Mountain and also the Mining Association of Canada, they're the actual governing authority of that TSM protocol, which is an international protocol recognized in 12 different countries for mining specifically. So it took us a while to figure out the actual stories and working with Copper Mountain. We figured it out. But in general, with the TSM, it's a self-assessed scorecard in a number of different categories. And every third year, they need to report it every year to the Mining Association of Canada. Every third year, it needs to be third party audited. Now, the interesting thing about this verifiable credential exchange is it's all holder-driven. That's all starts that each transaction, part A and part B, they both start with the holder. In this case, Copper Mountain. So Copper Mountain, Japjeet specifically, will fill out the scorecard on the work that Japjeet does for checking all those different categories, filling out our own scorecard, then sends it over to, in this case, it's in Virochem, which is a third party auditor. And they check those scores, do their due diligence, and then they actually do the digital signature on it. That issuer is a trusted issuer, according to that TSM protocol, which is a list managed by the Mining Association of Canada, so that they can actually issue a signed credential back to Copper Mountain. Now, Copper Mountain has that credential, and they can use it for all kinds of different use cases. And then Copper Mountain can use that for checking their membership with the Mining Association of Canada, but we're also working with other consumers of that same information. Excellent, thanks. Building on that a little bit, Japjeet, I'm going to ask you, what are some of the potential benefits of digital trust technology for companies in the mining sector? Sure. I think digital credential technology, it can really help us achieve efficiencies in our current workflows. And we can share the same information with multiple stakeholders, just with one click away. And it can improve the accuracy of the data. So once the credential has been issued, it cannot be tampered. And the verifier who is issuing the credential has all the right to finalize it, and then nobody can tamper it. And we can share it with different stakeholders. And that builds trust between our company and our stakeholders that the information they are getting is credible, it's verified, and has not been tampered. And such trust is required when you are dealing with global supply chains, and they want to make sure the minerals that they're sourcing, whether it's Mercedes or BMW, they want to know how the metals that they are sourcing, how they are produced. So that trust is really important here, I think. Excellent. Thank you. And I know one of the things, energy and mines, the Ministry of Energy and Mines talks about a lot. I was an employee there for a long time. Though the catchphrase was mining done right. And BC has a commitment to doing mining sustainably and ethically and all those sorts of things. Kyle, did you have anything you wanted to add? Yeah, so one of the things that we're starting to see is this use case that we're talking about is really the tip of the iceberg for what these credentials are used for. We're also exploring into the supply chain space and how these credentials can be used for organizations to prove their sustainability in supply chain solutions. We've been talking with Sherwood and Bertrand about maybe something there in the future. But yeah, that's still to be seen. We're not there yet. This we see as really the still foundational credentials from the government's perspective. We're also working with the Mines Digital Services and looking at doing a Mines Act permit. So that's a permit to be issued by the BC government. In this case, it would be to Copper Mountain as well. So then they have multiple credentials to use for these different use cases. OK, next question. How is the TSM use case supporting the global scaling of? Oh, Steven, you got a question? Yes, you should. So in three, we assess ourselves. But every third year, there is an external verification. And whenever we are self assessing, our CEO signs that the information we are presenting to mining association of Canada, it is true. And the auditor then comes, it's a detailed audit, and they provide us recommendations as well. But just checks that whatever we've done, it's the same. And there are minor changes sometimes, but not really. We are pretty accurate in assessing ourselves. So then the liability, I can say, is un-American in the third year. Really, it's the CEO of the company who has that ability. That was a great question. Any other questions? We can take some more after we're done, but OK. So talking about scaling this globally, how can the TSM use case support the global scaling of digital trust technology? So TSM is a globally recognized initiative. And it's been adopted by companies across six continents. And it has well-established verification and auditing process. And companies can easily adopt to it. And having a digital credential for TSM, I think it's pretty useful for companies across the globe. And therefore, digital credential can have global presence. You want to add anything to that? Yeah, so the other aspect of this scalability we actually worked a lot on the governance for this use case. So working with the Trust Over IPs model for where there's a technology stack and a governance stack, the governance is all around who's the governing authority for the thing that we're talking about in the ecosystem. And so top to bottom, we wrote governance documentation using the meta-model specification from Trust Over IP for what already existed for the ledger networks that we were using. Working on it with Northern Block is the actual instance that we're using for this use case. So this is not like Copper Mountain isn't using a government-hosted wallet. It's a privately-hosted wallet through Northern Block. So they have their governance structure. The two that we focused on mostly though for this use case was the governance for the TSM protocol itself. Fortunately, there is lots of documentation on the TSM model and the protocol itself online. It's just essentially a paper type of a form. They actually have a mining association of Canada. It has a web form that people go and fill out right now. So we took that governance information and translated it into a verifiable credential format. So created a schema and good documentation around that. And then at the Trust Over IP model, there is an application layer at the top. And that's where we worked specifically within Virochem, the mining association of Canada, and Copper Mountain because they're all three participants in doing their own thing. They all needed their own governance structure for the parts that they play in this ecosystem. Nice, that was really good. It was. By the way, the governance documentation we actually put onto GitHub. So it's an open source, open standard. They have a very nice GitHub page. If anybody does want to visit, it is really well done. So next question. Can we talk a little bit about the open source technology that enables your ecosystem? So as I mentioned earlier, in the wider ecosystem, so on this picture here, we'll talk about this a little bit. So traction is the component that our Energy Mines Digital Trust team was working on. Now it's used for many different ministries. And so we see on the left-hand side Energy Mines Low Carbon Innovation and BC Registry Services in this pilot would be used traction to issue credentials. In this case, it is the business registration and the Mines Act permit to Copper Mountain. All of the boxes that have a blue border on them, those are northern block instances. And so we see PWC at the top. We're also working with them. We haven't done a lot with them recently, but that's going to be coming this year. Envirochem, though, is we did a test with the northern block solution all the way through. I think we have a link to a video on our website, which you can access with the information in the handout. And so those in PWC and Envirochem, they're the ones that are issuing that towards the stand while mining credential. As we, Jeff Geet, mentioned, that's every third year when that actually happens. And then presented on the other side to the Mining Association of Canada. That's their consuming. Three different credentials in this use case. So it'll be the TSM, the Mines Act permit, and the business registration. Now, the other one that we've added on here we didn't talk about yet is the LEI. And so that's something to enable international trade for critical mineral supply chain, those kinds of things. And the bottom right-hand corner, that's the LME, is the London Metals Exchange. So we're working with them still early days, but they're going to be consuming credentials in the same way to allow there to be international trade into the London Metal Exchange. And Europe has lots of regulations, even today, for actually importing critical minerals. So that's what we're using that for. The VLEI is the verifiable version of an LEI, which is a legal entity identifier. And that's very similar to a business registration, but it's internationally recognized. And to pile on the Mines Act permit that Kyle mentioned, we're talking with the Ministry about that use case. The Mines Act permit proves that Copper Mountain, for example, has the right to, not only the right in the tenure, but the actual permit to disturb the land, disrupt the land and produce copper, in your case. And they have all kinds of responsibilities within that permit to do reclamation and all sorts of things. So BC goes through a really rigorous process to permit mines, and the instance of that permit proves that Copper Mountain is committed to those and has a signed agreement that they will mine responsibly. Take care of the alignment. Yes, exactly. That's what I was trying to do. Just to pile on to that as well, the part of the membership requirements for the Mining Association of Canada is proof that they have an operation within Canada. And so we think that the Mines Act permit can fulfill that requirement as well, which also goes alongside the TSM, but it's still separate. I'm going to pause for a couple of questions. Does anybody in the audience have any questions for us? I've been asking them all so far, so I feel like you can have a turn. I'm going to pause for one more second, and then I'm going to keep asking questions. Okay. So, JAPcheat, how else might Copper Mountain use digital trust technology to improve their business processes? So we can use digital credential for any other verifiable information. For example, like our financial auditing information, if it is verified by PWC or any other auditor, we can share it through digital credential and achieve efficiency. And so once we have any digital credential, we can, like I mentioned, we can share it with multiple stakeholders. Annually, it will save a lot of our time, administrative time. And I think not just for Copper Mountain, but for any company who want to take any sort of ESG credential, whether it's TSM or any future mandatory requirements, for example, the IFRS requirements. So credential can also be issued for that, and digital credential can be used. And we can use it to share with a lot of stakeholders. Nice. Excellent. And just to add to that, one of the other things that we tested out a little bit through our pilot process was actually using the Hyperledger Aries, or the DITCOM connection, to do basic messaging back and forth. So that's the secure end-to-end communication that what we can set up in the cloud-based solutions is a direct connection between, let's say, Envirochem and Copper Mountain. And so they can do a chat, basically back and forth, to help negotiate some of the proof requests. So in the use case that we're looking at here, Copper Mountain fills out all their information. They could quickly send a message over to Neil at Envirochem and say, hey, I'm about to send it over. Can you take a look? Those kinds of things, so notifications would be important for that. And then he can send a message back and forth while they're negotiating the actual scores on the TSM scorecard. Not using email, not using phone, not using SMS, or those kinds of... So this is all peer-to-peer encrypted information. Bertrand? Yes. Do you want more details about that, or is that good? Well, let me get into my specific... Okay. I can talk about the Minds Act permit a little bit and what that talks about, which is a little bit to the side of what you asked. And then, Jeff, do you want to answer the rest of that? Okay. So in the Minds Act permit that Copper Mountain Mine has, and I don't know specifics about theirs, but the Ministry won't issue a permit without having a requirement for a five-year mine plan. They won't issue a permit without having a requirement for annual reclamation reporting. So Copper Mountain Mining is required to report to Energy and Mines, the Ministry, every year. We had this much tonnage this year. We did this much reclamation. This is what we're planning for next year. And there's many more details about that. They have requirements annually about tailing storage management and what they're doing about that. And they'll have to report, like, again, I'm not a geotechnical engineer, so apologies, but they'll have to report on their tailings management every year. They'll have to report on reclamation, all those things within their Minds Act permit. And the permit would be revoked if they were not acting accordingly. So that's the other side of this. So you talked about annual reporting and things like that. They have those sorts of things, but then the Enviro can piece. I'll let Jeff Cheet answer that part. That's separate from the... Yes. TSM. So one is the legal requirements and the permit, which... And TSM is voluntary ESG certification. So I would say it takes companies above and beyond what is required. Every year they are revising their protocols based on best practices across the globe. So they're raising the bar for companies every year. And so when we say every third year, we get a verification. So in the credential, correct me if I'm wrong, Kyle. So it will show that in the third year, it is a verified credential through Envirocan. And that will be for that particular year. And in the next two years, if it is a self-assessed credential, it'll show that it is just a self-assessed credential. So you guys publish your internal audit as a self-assigned credential? That was actually a question I didn't ask, but I was curious about it. Yeah. So you are signing off on your own internal audit? Yes. Okay, that's interesting. So your internal auditors are doing also an external audit? Yeah. With the same system? Yeah, but the same... Yeah, and one other thing to consider for this is the Mining Association of Canada, like the specific three-year period is to prove your membership in the Mining Association of Canada. But like the London Metal Exchange, they might not have a three-year requirement that might be every year. We haven't worked out all those details yet, right? To what they need to see on their side. So there's different uses for those credentials, but the three-year period is specifically for membership proof. So the Mining Association of Canada is checking membership every three years, from that third-party audited. And then the self-assessed is just making sure that you do that report. Yeah. Steven. Just for... That did the audit, issued with this work as we thought, they can do the latter of these sort of copper mines that are credentialed sometimes to be rolled from the device, so they can make some of the data. No. So the way the technology works is you revoke it. The issuer revokes it. When they go to present it again, they would not be able to... There would be a show that's not... Okay, so there has to be revoked. There is an intermediary that's checking for the ability to do it. So it's part of reducing the presentation. Okay. All right. Yeah. They have to construct the report with non-revocation. Yeah. I mean, I'm registered with the A-mine friends. You won't get a job. Yeah, I'm registered with the A-mine friends, but it's basically the valid provider would be able to say, oh, yeah, that's the report you can use it for. You might want to say, well, as of June 28th, it was fine. And that's been adapted. That's within the communication protocol. That's in the presentation. Presentation, yeah. Okay, cool. Don't be sorry for asking good questions. Yeah, the other thing we've heard, I can't remember if it was this specific use case, but some verifiers or consumers of data on the right-hand side might be asking for the last three years worth of records. So not just the latest, but show us your history. Show us your 2020, 2021, and 2022 scores. And they could ask for all of that to be checked on a regular basis. And they could ask that every year. Give me the last three, give me the last three. So it'll include self-assessed and that third-party audited. Any more questions? We're happy to take a couple more. We've got a bit of time. That was a nice hit of dopamine. It's been a couple of years since anybody asked me a mine permitting question. Kyle, you have a question for me in the case of extra time. Yeah. So next to EMDT. What other use cases are there for digital trust technology with the BC government? Well, thank you for asking. There's the answer. So if you alluded to this earlier, we've had a couple talks at this so far at OSS this week, but I'll just briefly touch on them again. We've got the BC Wallet. So Klessio sitting back there is the product owner on the BC Wallet team. The BC Wallet enables us with our personal credentials to do a couple of different things. So chiefly, the one we have live right now, and you can download and practice a showcase from our showcase website, but this is in production. We've got a couple hundred lawyers in the province. They've got a Law Society credential, says I am a lawyer in BC with a credential issued from the Law Society and I am in good standing. They have that credential on their phone. They also have on their phone those same lawyers have a credential that says I am a person and that person credential is issued by BC Registries Service BC. Sorry, Service BC and I, BC Registries. And that says they are a person and they take that person credential and that lawyer credential. They take those to a website called Access to Court Materials. It was in John's video this morning very briefly and they are given access to that website. They're able to prove in one step presenting both credentials at once. They're a lawyer in good standing and they are a person with a name that matches that lawyer in good standing credential. And they're given access to core materials which they previously would have had drive to the courthouse to retrieve. It saves them a lot of time and effort. It's expedited a lot of processes and we're scaling that one up right now. And then the other one that John talked about this morning was Orgbook BC. Can I get a show of hands for anybody who's ever been to Orgbook BC? Everybody on our team. Orgbook BC is a searchable public directory of all the registered businesses in BC. It's a really fantastic site. It's an API that you can hit. I've hit it on two other government of BC initiatives that I've worked on. It provides fantastic information directly from the source and our team manages that site as well on that API. In addition, we are working on expanding the lawyer use case. We're looking at other places that a lawyer might present their credentials. So essentially looking for new verifiers. Where else might a lawyer need to prove their lawyer? If you talk to Kyle or Klessio or Keef and I in the hallway, we can show you the mobile verifier that we've built into the BC wallet. We're happy to do a demo. And yeah, those are a couple of the things we have going on. Great question, Kyle. Yeah. So that was the end of our slides and our talk. We're still a little bit ahead of time if anybody has any questions. But I really wanna thank everybody for coming out, asking thoughtful questions. This is something we're really passionate about. I know we had a handout. If everybody got one or is interested, we can get more. You can also go and find them online. And there's our contact information. Okay, so I'll go back in time a little bit. So we did add the energy component to the Energy Minds Digital Trust Initiative last year. So we've been working with government entities on both sides for the actual GHG emissions. Jeff Cheat mentioned the greenhouse gas emission type of credentials that we worked with Copper Mountain as well on. And so we expanded our ecosystem quite wide for our pilots to see where the highest value was and most energetic adopters and that kind of thing. So that's sort of a strategy that we went through. Coming through that, we finished up a round of funding that we were doing all this initiative under at the end of March. And so going into this year, we got more funding to continue on. And so now what we've done is taken our learnings from last year. And so we're applying those to focus in on the mining use case. Our goal with the mining use case that we had up on, and that's on your handout there. The goal this year, so in 2023, is to get that to production. It's still in a pilot stage. We're working very closely with Mining Association of Canada, with Copper Mountain, with EnviroCam, with other adopters in that space, as well as our partner Northern Block, because that's the technical solution to do this for the private sector. We didn't talk about it, but the credentials that EnviroCam would be issuing would actually be issued on the sovereign network, that Hyperledger Indy, because again, it's all private based. And so there's a lot of things to work through for that just on the mining side. And so we're trying to manage the scope of the work that we're doing in the next year, but we do have the energy piece still sort of in mind. It's just kind of a little bit on the back burner, but we're still engaging in conversations there. Pretty much, yes, yeah, yeah. And it's interesting working through all these, the pilots, the work that we did last year was the value comes from the verifier, actually. So you got to look at the very end, consumer of the information, because they are the one that's driving to say, I want this data for this purpose. And this, you know, we can, yeah, yeah. And that's the consumer of the data is on the, right? And so they're driving the market to say, this is the data that we want, this is why we want it, right? Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, so we're already using, well, so the sovereign network, S-O-V-R-I-N, is a hyperledger indie network that's used worldwide. It's privately run, essentially, but public. So you need to pay to be an issuer on that, to be an issuer and to issue credentials on that. It's actually part of the solution. Like if we were to draw out the proper diagram of that, like there's a bunch more components to that. But that said, so, you know, the government won't be issuing on sovereign. They'll be issuing on a different ledger. The interesting thing that we can do is, correct me if I'm wrong, Stephen, the Mining Association of Canada can consume three credentials across multiple indie networks in one transaction. Yeah, yeah. So it's when that presentation is done with those three credentials for that third year report, it's got a ton of information in it, all packaged into one transaction. So they're all connected, all those different pieces are connected together in that one's transaction. When it receives those, it'll be checking against those separate ledgers for proof of non-revocation to see that they're not been revoked and that they're not tampered with and those kinds of things. No, no, the borders are the actual different hosted solutions. We don't actually have the ledgers listed on this diagram, but yes. Yeah. I'll talk to you about mining all you want later. Yeah, I'm way deep into it. I think we're getting close to time. Is there any last question? We're happy to talk in the hallway for a few minutes as well. Thank you everybody for coming out.