 Today we're gonna talk about Madeleine Soto. She went missing a few days ago and now she's been found. Greg tell us about the videos we're gonna watch. Yeah, this interview or these interviews were conducted by local TV and this is the mother of this young girl, young woman who is missing, 13 year old who is missing and the boyfriend of the mother before the little girl's body was found. Good. So the first question is if I can have your first the last name, I'll spell them both out for me. Okay. Jennifer Soto, J-E-N-N-I-F-E-R-S-O-T-O. Mother. Mother. Jennifer, tell me how you feel right now. I feel like I can't breathe. All I keep thinking about is where is she? Is she safe? Is she okay? But we're all the wreck. My entire family's a mess. We're just so worried. When did you first realize or when did you follow a missing employee? We followed a missing report. We called the police at like 445 yesterday, 445 p.m. But she actually went missing early that morning around between 845 and nine o'clock in the morning she went missing. We had dropped her off close to the school. She wanted to walk the rest of the way. What should be it? Sorry about that. I'll go first on this one. Right out of the gate, it looks like she's got some kind of neurological disorder which she doesn't. She's just jiggling her leg. I used to do that on here and people would say, what's wrong with Cobb? Cause I jiggled my leg. It looked like I was doing this. It looked like I had some kind of disease. But I did and I was like, how did he realize it until I watched it? Until I watched me doing it. So that's what we're seeing with her and it's good we're seeing this because as stress rises, the more that foot or that leg jiggles and we see her start jiggling even more. So this is gonna be as we go through these videos keep an eye on that. And remember the more stress she becomes the more she jiggles her leg and we can see her stress level go through the dang roof here at some points in some parts. And in this one as well we're seeing compressed lips. We're seeing all the great cues of stress that we look for and teach about. And this is a great example of that. Now, when the dog, when they start calling the dog and she stops and starts smiling, this tells us so much because not only are we looking, are we seeing things that we know call stress? We're not seeing a couple of things. We're not seeing tears. We're not seeing the stress or concern we should be seeing in there. We're seeing what is looks to me like fear most of the time. So you can say, oh, she's fearful. What's for what's the matter? What's wrong with their daughters? Where is she? Is she gonna be okay all that? I don't think that's what it, I don't think that's the fear she's looking for that we're looking for at this point or what we're seeing. So when they finally finished calling the dog and things start quieting down, she quit smiling. She automatically resets and gets back into that fake sadness she's got on her face. She doesn't even know how to do that. Then when the question starts again, that leg jiggling starts and she starts jumping around again. So let's keep in mind as we go through this, again, I wanna stress watch this shaking because it makes all the difference in the world as far as letting you know what's happening from a perspective of stress on a human as they're going through questioning like this. And there's a reason that she's being that stressed. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so same as you, interested first off, is it something about the neurology? Could it be stimming of some sort? And then we get during her answers, very little eye contact, her eyes go up. Again, could be something with a neurotype. It is certainly out of the ordinary in this kind of interview situation to not get direct contact, eye contact with the interviewer. So why do the eyes disappear up at this point? Again, could be neurotype, but let's see. The shaking is interesting because as you're saying, Scott, when the dog is called, everything stops. Just everything disappears. So that makes me think, to your point, this should go up even further under stress. Around the dog, everything goes. The voice changes. We heard a voice at the start giving her name and the letters involved with her name and how clear and strong the voice is when she starts into the interview, that all disappears. That's really interesting. It makes me think that all of this could be some kind of effect that's being done on purpose. I mean, I don't know for sure at this point, first video in, but it does make me wonder how are you able to be in this heightened emotional situation and then it stopped immediately. Interesting. Oh, by the way, she says we had dropped her off. We had dropped her off. Let's see what happens to that. Greg, what do you got on this one? First guy is a parrot. That's a parrot talking in the background. It's going, saying whatever it's heard over and over and over. The reason she knows how long it's going to last is birds are creatures of habit and they do the same thing over and over and over. So she's waiting for the parrot to finish. I thought it was one of them calling the dog. No, it's a parrot. Parrot going, food, food. Where did you hear about that? How do you know that? I just know. I know birds. I've been around birds. I had parrots around my house when I was younger. My ex-wife had a pet shop and all that kind of stuff. So I'm accustomed to them and they're repetitious in what they do. So you get to the point where you can predict what they're going to do. That's my best guess is it's a parrot in the background and that's what's happening. So let's talk for a minute about grief because a lot of people are going to say grief. Scott, I posted over in the chat a picture of her face in a still at 39 seconds. If that's not terror, I don't know what is. And it is not what I expect in this situation. I know people are going to say grief does weird things. Grief does do weird things. It slows your cadence typically. And the reason it slows your cadence is because your brain is running on two channels. It's running on trying to answer the question you're dealing with and thinking about what's going on. On occasion, grief will drive you to speed. It will drive you to agitated. When it does, it's for one reason. It's help, help, help. It's not protection of self. I see agitation and single focus at protection and answering the right question. That ain't healthy. That ain't good. That ain't, my kid is missing. Everything she answers is very specific to that. I'm not going to a whole lot other than that other than to say there are a handful of things missing. The mucus membrane's involvement is missing. She's not cried. She isn't crying. There's no inflamed nostrils. There's none of that that she would associate with us. There's that look of terror, that look of when one of the questions is asked. And then if you want to pay attention to her eyes, I want you to start paying attention now because we always talk about eye movement meaning something. When I ask you to recall something, you go to a place where there's visual recall or other. Kind of dirty and doesn't have enough clarity to be able to say it's visual or what. But she's got starting to establish a place she's going for information. I would poke on that a lot. I poke on it a whole lot. When she says there's a lot of shifting of pronouns here, Mark, I agree with you. And she said, we had dropped her off close to the school. Now, we always talk about requests for approval being forehead up. And that could mean, hey, do you get me? Are you tracking? In this case, it very clearly is do you believe me? Because her voice lils up at the very end and her foreheads up. This is going to be an interesting one. From here, she's got a lot of cleanup for me if I'm going to believe anything she's saying. Chase, what do you got? Today's video is sponsored by Aura. I'm excited for this because I've been using this app for over two years. If you didn't know how much private information is out there on the internet about you, when you first see it, it's pretty shocking and a little disturbing. These people that collect all these private things about you are called data brokers. But there's a secret here. They have to take down your information if you ask them to so they make it incredibly hard to do. So what we do is let Aura handle that for us. And you can do the same. 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You can go to Aura.com slash TBP, just like the behavior panel, TBP, right now to start a free two week trial that I've also linked down in the description. Yeah, one more thing that grief does, almost without any exception, it lowers your priority of, do I need to manage my, how I'm being perceived by other people? It puts that way down on the priority list. And we're still seeing a lot of perception management here. And we're seeing social behavior, which might suggest that, that we might not be dealing with any neurotypes. We're seeing her socialize this interruption by the parrot or whatever it is. And shaking is pretty common and normal to burn off excess energy and adrenaline. We see that in a lot of people, when you see it during somebody spelling their own name, you can assume that it's maybe the baseline. And when we say baseline, it's the behavior in this situation with that person. Like Greg always says, not when you're sitting on the couch eating Cheetos, Flamin' Hot Cheetos, either way. So she's kind of launching into a narrative and a story about what happened. And the focus of her answer is on the timeline and the details. She's having a lot of trouble making eye contact. One thing that we're definitely seeing here is the eyelids very rarely closed completely. And this is an instinctive behavior. I want to keep something that's potentially threatening to me in my view. So I'm not gonna close them all the way. So this is a partial closure of eyelids. And no emotion's really visible here until there's the smile that we just talked about. It's a smile of self-management, self-perception. And maybe she's thinking the news is gonna cut this part out. She goes right back to a sad demeanor after that smile again. And there's no mention of the daughter's name here, which is very unusual for innocent people. This is my father's name. Correct. So the first question is if I can have your first, your last name, I'll spell them both out for me. Okay. Jennifer Soto, J-E-N-N-I-F-E-R-S-O-T-O. Mother. Mother. Jennifer, tell me how you feel right now. I feel like I can't breathe. All I keep thinking about is where is she? Is she safe? Is she okay? But we're all the wreck. My entire family's a mess. We're just so worried. When did you first realize or when did you follow Ms. Remport? We followed a missing report. We called the police at like 445 yesterday, 445 p.m. But she actually went missing early that morning around between 845 and 9 o'clock in the morning she went missing. We had dropped her off close to the school. She wanted to walk the rest of the way. I should be here. Sorry about that. We dropped her off at school close to school. She wanted to walk the rest of the way. I'm not sure what I'm allowed to share. You hear whatever you feel comfortable sharing. I know you had conversations with detectives. Not sure what that conversation is. Whatever you feel comfortable sharing that we'll put the awareness out there. Yeah, she was spotted walking by the church, by the middle school on the cameras. They saw her hang out in the parking lot for a little bit and then get up and leave. They didn't see a vehicle or anything else. They just saw her walk away around 9 a.m. heading towards the school, but she never made it. What has the school said? Have you given any contact with the school? Yes, that they're doing everything they can. They've given me all their resources. The principal's called me. They've looked at their cameras. Cameras, I don't think they've caught anything on the cameras is too far away from the sidewalk. Everything is too grainy so they can't see specific faces, but they've looked. I'm just waiting to hear anything else from them. Is this normal behavior? Not at all. So just not show up or call or text or anything? Not at all, no. She, from time to time, she will leave her cell phone at home accidentally and that's actually what happened yesterday. She left her phone at home. She went to school. But that happens from time to time. She's got ADHD, her memory. She's very forgetful. So yeah, there's no way to track her right now because I have, well, the detectives don't have her phone. But this isn't normal behavior now. I had a buddy, Gary Pachosa, Greg, you've met Gary, and he had a bird. I had a, one of those gray, what are they called? A gray cell. A African gray. And this thing would call his dog, get a whistle form and then when he was, it would imitate him being on the phone. When he was talking on the phone and this bird sounded like him on the dang phone, man. It was unbelievable. It was almost scary. It was like a tape recorder almost because he would be mumbling, but it was what the bird could hear. And the next stream was he was on the phone in the other room. So he could hear him talking and he'd laugh like him. The whole thing, man, it was bizarre. And like, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, the bird was actually kind of a godsend because it forced her to re-ramp her story and you can see her ramp as opposed to, I ask you a question about what happened. What do you expect a person to do? Do you expect them to go right into the story? She doesn't. She does deep breath, she eye blocks and she didn't go into what happened. This is body language of preparation. Preparation to ensure I deliver the story. She's, there's also sorrow and concern when she's talking about not sure what she's allowed to talk about. And she does a left eye accessing. Again, that thing we saw where eyes are going up in her head into the left. Okay, let's keep an eye and see is that where she goes to create or where she goes for memory? Because we get a really damn good example of where she goes for memory a little bit later. And I'm gonna tell you, it's gonna be different. So it's really interesting to watch that bounces going pretty good now. And she's mouth grooming. We always say, as you stress and inside of your mouth gets drier and drier we'll groom inside of our mouths to pull away mucus and that kind of thing. And the other thing is the adrenal cycle when once you start dumping all these chemicals into your system from fight or flight your body needs air to burn those. And you can see it ramping up her mouth is open. There's really, really a lot of oddity here. She does one shoulder shrug and she does a lip compression when she says something about she never made it. This is, look, we always talk about what kind of a person you, how you talk to a person interviewer interrogation. If I were talking to this person an interviewer interrogation, you get very soft. You need to be very soft with this person reach out touch or talk to her and say, help us help you. Let me know what you know and what you don't know. You get more information doing that than you do by asking really hard questions when someone's missing a kid. There's a couple of times in here and there's a narrow, very narrow band of time in here that she looks very believable and right where she should be. She's got real helplessness. And we're just waiting and her eyes go down the right. She's got some lip compression or brow tips go up and start. That's all the right body language. She also only uses present tense. Her agitation is dropped. Those are really much better signs for her than the first video. So I'll leave this video hopeful that I'm gonna see a mother who has questions but not involved as we move through this. Right now, this tail end of this video is a lot better than what we saw in video one in the beginning of this one. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I agree with you. And we're seeing that shaking. Maybe let's call it a baseline until the questions are asked again. Then she's kind of locked down. And when harder questions are asked, she locks down that shaking behavior. Now we're seeing more of an upward tone. And we haven't seen that with any factual questions like when she called the police or what her name was. Then Greg was talking about mouth grooming. We're also seeing a lip retraction when the lips go past the barrier of the teeth. This is typically a need for reassurance. And this is happening at the moment that she's saying, she never made it. And right at this moment when they're saying, waiting to hear anything else from the school, she's saying that there's a hard single shoulder shrug, prolonged eyebrow raise, kind of seeking approval or do you believe me? Like Greg said in the first video, more lip retraction. And one thing that's happening here is that there's a parent sharing all of the reasons her daughter cannot be found. And this I think is highly unusual. And it presents a huge hurdle for me to think that she's wanting to inspire people or help or inspire hope that there's a way that this can be done. When somebody introduces complexities and challenges like this, I've never seen someone do it who's purely innocent. And she's going through all the lists. She left her phone at home. She's got ADHD. The cameras aren't good enough to see anything. There's no way to track her. And still we're not seeing a mention of Madeline's name at all. And one question the reporter asks is, is this normal behavior? And this behavior we're seeing here is not normal at all in her, in the mother here. Granted, there's some unusual stuff. So we'll take a look at a few more clips after this one here. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I'm the same with you. That blame that she's putting on Madeline around ADHD and forgetfulness is an odd maneuver in this particular situation. I don't like the look of that. Not that I'm against blaming people for stuff. It's just not right for this situation where you're wanting the kid to be found or you should be wanting the kid to be found just as you say Chase. You'd want to be eliminating those things and having more possibility of that person being found, not putting barriers in the way. You're exactly right. Again, we have it. We dropped her off. Second time, we dropped her off. Okay, very clear around that. We dropped her off. Okay, good. You said it twice. Now we know. Now we know you both dropped her off. To your point, Greg, yeah, she's breathing and we get those, some of these bigger intakes, but I'm not getting the rapid breath of something like panic or concern. And she said earlier that the feeling she had was of I can't breathe. And yet we've got a breathing. She's not having to catch up with that breathing. It's not the panic. So her breathing doesn't match what she's told us is the feeling that she has right now, which I would suggest she's saying, oh, I can't breathe, that's a sense of panic. And I'm not seeing panicked breathing at this point. So that's of interest to me. So second video in, I'm possibly more concerned even than I was in the first place. Scott, what do you think? All right. When he brings up the detectives again, that's when her leg starts shaking. Or when he, I think it's the first time he brings up. Her leg starts shaking again. And we see her doing that whole bobbing around thing. It's happening. And again, this still doesn't sound like a mother who's stressed that her child is missing and could possibly still be alive and she's worried about what's going on with her. None of that at all. Then more stress mouth with that question as well or what I call stress mouth, that's just disappearing lips when your lips disappear literally. And I think Chase made a great point because they go back into her up under her teeth. They're so, she's so stressed at this point. Her voice is calm and normal. It doesn't really change much. It stays almost, there were a couple of cases here in a few minutes where we get to fading facts which we'll talk about in a minute. But in this situation, her voice stays the same, her cadence stays the same, the volume stays the same. When you're talking about something this horrific and as you talk about it, you're re-realizing the horror of what may have happened. You don't talk normally, you get all worked up. We've seen it a thousand times on here. When they're being honest because she doesn't do anything, she doesn't change much at all. This sounds to me like it's rehearsed and it sounds like she's playing this with her boyfriend which we're gonna see a couple of videos of him in a few minutes. This sounds like she's ready for this. That's why she keeps saying we dropped them off. So that brings a whole other situation into this as well. You're knowing now that they've, we know now that they've found her, Madeline and she was, obviously she wasn't alive anymore. So there's a lot going on with this but I think this sounds to me, it sounds like something she was prepared for. When you're talking to somebody in interrogation, you wanna make sure one person's story is different than the other person's story. Same story, but you gotta make sure they word it differently and things are said differently. So let's pay attention to that when this guy shows up. Now, the phone being left at the house, she wouldn't have started with, well, she has ADHD and she's really forgetful. So she left her phone at the house when she left. No, you said she left her phone at the house. We can't track her, she has ADHD. That's the second part that you think about because everything is up front. All the details, all the major things are up front in your brain when you're thinking about whatever what's going on with the situation. You don't go to the details of why first and then say she's left her phone. That's a red flag for me as well. And that single shoulder shrug pointing toward her chin, that kid, when she's talking about ADHD, that makes me think she's bringing that up. I don't believe the kid had that either because of the way the mother's acting. I think they're adding that and that's why she left her phone. That's why her phone wasn't pinging around where they found her or when she was with somebody else. Well, we know who did it. So then, I'll leave it there. It's so much more than to be covering what you guys got. This is my father's name. We dropped off at school, close to school. She wanted to walk the rest of the way. I'm not sure what I'm allowed to share. You hear whatever you feel comfortable sharing. I know you had conversations with detectives, not sure what that conversation is, whatever you feel comfortable sharing that would put the awareness out there. She was spotted walking by the church, by the middle school, on the cameras. They saw her hang out in the parking lot for a little bit and then get up and leave. They didn't see a vehicle or anything else. They just saw her walk away around 9 a.m., heading towards the school, but she never made it. What has the school said? Have you get in contact with the school? Yes, that they're doing everything they can. They've given me all their resources. The principal's called me. They've looked at their cameras. I don't think they've caught anything. The cameras is too far away from the sidewalk. Everything is too grainy, so they can't see specific faces, but they've looked. I'm just waiting to hear anything else from them. Is this normal behavior? Not at all. Show up or call or text or anything? Not at all, no. She, from time to time, she will leave her cell phone at home accidentally, and that's actually what happened yesterday. She left her phone at home. She went to school. But that happens from time to time. She's got ADHD, her memory. She's very forgetful. So yeah, there's no way to track her right now because I have, well, the detectives don't have her phone. But this isn't normal behavior now. What was the last thing that I guess did the conversation that you two had with your daughter? We spoke about her birthday party. She had a birthday party on Sunday. She had a great time. I couldn't make it because I was working, but she had an amazing time. She was so happy with all her gifts. I told her good night and yeah, that was it. I was the one who took her to school in the morning. That was my partner. 13? She's 13 years old. 13, Madeline? Madeline. Madeline, what are you thinking right now? In my heart, I feel like somebody took her. This isn't like her to just pick up and run away. Or just not go to school. I don't know what to think. All right, Chase, what do you got? We're still seeing some bizarre behavior here. And keep in mind, as we're saying this, none of us are saying that she was involved directly and that if someone does have guilty knowledge, they could be covering up that guilty knowledge out of self-preservation because they've been threatened. Because something else has been threatened to be taken away. So we don't know that yet. And maybe y'all will comment on what we see. Maybe there's some threats going on or it's just self-preservation. But we'll see. But this shaking is still continuing. We see it during the things that are, we see the shaking during the parts that are provable and most likely solid facts. We see the shaking go away anytime somebody's asking details about Madeline going missing. I'm always uneasy personally when I see more fear than grief or sadness. And I'm even more uneasy when I see that fear surrounding the story of the disappearance of the child. And to add to this, when I see that a reporter has to remind somebody to mention the child's name and remind them also that they're supposed to talk about what they think happened and that they want the child to come back home. The reporter's having to kind of prod and prompt this. It's a lot more concerning. I developed a guide, if y'all remember this, for the media on how to ask questions and what questions to ask during these interviews like this. This guide has literally everything that you would need word for word and has prompts to get somebody like this to talk a lot more. Innocent people can be less talkative too. And it's helpful to get them to start talking as well. So I'll link that down there. If you guys are all right with that, I'll throw it in the video description. Scott, what do you got? All right. After the reporter says, what is the last conversation you two had? Again, this is fear. It's not the classic expression of fear. But I always say fear looks like a calm surprise because your eyes are open, your mouth is open and your nostrils flare a little bit because you're waiting to see what's going to happen. You've been shocked and oh, what's happened? It's almost like a lengthened amount of shock and it just lasts for a little while. And I asked Melinda Ozel about this as well. She's a big micro-expression specialist. And she said, yes, that's what she's seeing as well. We talked about some other things, details of it, but we both agreed that that was fear. So yeah, Chase, that's spot on. So when she answers, again, that leg goes jiggling and she starts bouncing around like she's on those old covered wagons in a Western movie or something. It's a lot there. So she's getting a lot of stress from that question. And then this is where the fading facts come in at the end of that second answer when she starts talking as she's speaking. When we talk about fading facts, we're talking about someone who is giving you information that's supposed to be a correct answer or the answer. And it's to get quieter toward the ends because their brain's saying, we shouldn't be doing this, in other words. We shouldn't be doing this, man. This is not true. So there will get quieter as they go down toward the end. So listen for that. We'll hear that a few more times in here because that's classic. That's not one cue shows you that someone's lying or telling the truth, but this is when you start grouping these things together. You can start making decisions about what you're seeing. If you have a whole lot of things that may suggest deception, then you can feel pretty good about saying that's probably deception because there's no way to know for sure by one cue that someone is being honest or telling you the truth. That mouth chewing adapter shows up where she's chewing on her mouth and she's doing mouth grooming again, then stress mouth and the leg goes up. This is just one, everything she's dealing with here is causing stress. Every question causes stress. Everything she's asked to talk about causes stress. Every time they go even just this deep into it, she said, the leg starts jiggling and she starts jumping around. So anyway, so I think something's up here. I think there's a lot more going on than I think anybody is aware of at this point outside of this investigation so far anyway. But then again, we hear when she says, I don't know what to think. We hear fading facts there as well. Mark, is that all of this? Yeah. So, yeah, fear is an interesting expression. You're right, it's very similar to surprise and often, you know, when you're looking at those emotions, it's the one that people will conflate. And I think the reason for that is, in my belief and understanding, is that fear has to be very, very subtle because you don't want to show the predator that you're fearful because it will trigger an attack. It has to be subtle enough that the people around you would detect the fear, but not so big that anything, you know, outside of that close distance would see the fear. I'm going to go even further than fear, though I think you're absolutely right, Scott, and obviously Melinda is absolutely correct, but I'm going to go for its terror. I think we're seeing terror in the face. And I'll say in the next video why I think it's, well, extreme fear. It's fear, but at an extreme, and it's still subtle because the signal has to be just for the people around, not big enough for the predator to see. Now, she has a theory, which is someone took her, so that's good that she has a theory, but then she changes that and she says, I don't know what to think. And that's, I think, the thing that you were getting fading facts on there, Scott. So that's interesting. She's got a theory and that's a plus point for her. And then the theory gets taken away with fading facts. So she's back pedaling on it a little bit. And then we get a new piece, a new story. I wasn't the one who took her to school. Well, last two videos, we dropped her off. And now she's not any part of it. The story is changing significantly here. Why might that be? There's a lot going on in this third one. Is that all of us or Greg? Yeah, Greg. So I got the same thing, Mark. I think it is terror. I think it's a mild version of terror, but I think she's shocked and terrified by the question. Shouldn't be. What's the last thing you said to your daughter? Seems like a normal question. But then the agitation comes back and we can all recognize shock, fear, terror, and faces because, as you guys said, they're more subtle, but we all can recognize them. That's Darwin started that long ago. She does a lack of certainty with that single shoulder shrug. And then she goes to hesitant cadence. Really hesitant. Almost lost a verbal fluency. I told her good night. Well, you should remember the last thing you said to somebody like that. That's awkward for me. Yeah. And that was it. What? What? You say that after you say the last word you said to her and here we're back to the truth. Needs no support, but lies love a crutch. She's going to continue to qualify. I wasn't the one who took her, Mark. She says, now we have a first person, a singular declaration of innocence. Now I'm going to drop back to video two where I saw things that look real. I saw things that like hopelessness and fear and sadness and that lip compression. And what did she say then? We are waiting. Let's keep that in mind. The only time I saw anything genuine was we are waiting. And there was a lot of fear and that kind of thing around it. Now she's saying I didn't do it. It was my partner and that kind of dropped off and then, but yeah, a lip compression. There's a whole cluster of red flags right in there. This alone, this piece right here going back and looking at where she was showing sorrow about we are waiting. Now makes me concerned. Now makes me think and chase to your point. Could it be that she has a suspicion that her partner did something? Could it be that she knows her partner did something? Could it be she was involved? We can't tell that, but we can tell there's some behavior shift that indicates something is guarded and something is shielding. And again, I'm going to mention, I don't see any grief or sorrow except for right in that we are waiting piece. I don't see snotty nose. I don't see teary eyes. I don't see grief muscle. I don't see concern in places I expected. It's just not here. Maybe she's just suspicious, but that's a hell of a lot of disclaiming right in there. And then she's back to internal voice and I don't know what to think and back to that terror. Guys, this one starts to look worse and worse. One little glimmer of hope in the second video now starts to look like something I'm going to look for indicators that there's some kind of collusion going on. That's all I got. Scott, back with his contempt. This is my father's name. What was the last thing that I guess said the conversation that you two had, you and your daughter? We spoke about her birthday party. She had a birthday party on Sunday. She had a great time. I couldn't make it because I was working, but she had an amazing time. She was so happy with all her gifts. I told her good night and yeah, that was it. I was the one who took her to school in the morning. That was my partner. She's 13. She's 13 years old. 13, Madeline. Madeline. What are you thinking right now? In my heart, I feel like somebody took her. This isn't like her to just pick up and run away or just not go to school. I don't know what to think. Friends. The friends, parents. You've contacted and went through every single person. Everyone that we know that she knows. We've contacted them all. We reached out to them. The parents have gone out to search and look for her as well. And we haven't come up with anything yet. I've seen a lot of posts on Facebook. Hunters Creek. Rants and raves and what have you. People say that they were going to conduct some type of search party or anything. A lot of people have asked me to volunteer. If there is one, if they can do one, I have people passing out flyers going to every store in that vicinity, gas station, church. I think people, people were being stopped in the street this morning in front of the school to see if they've seen anything, if they've heard anything. My family is, they're going all out right now. Yeah. Otherwise a mother, a lot is going on in your brain. So much. To bring her back home. What have the law enforcement told you that you are able to share? I mean, that they're doing the best they can. They've had detectives come out, interview us. They took a piece of her clothing for the canine dog to see if they can sniff her out. I'm not sure when that's being done. All right, Greg, what do you got? So she's really boiling the air down now. I can't miss. She's inhaling it more heavily. Her mouth's open. All that bouncing and terror in her face. And now she's added batter on deck. She's rubbing her thighs. I don't expect all of that when a person is feeling grief. I just don't grief. Go back to the McCans. When you guys beat us up about all the time in the comments where the McCans were lifeless and you said that was an indicator that they had done something wrong. No, that's an indicator of grief and their brain is running out of energy and that kind of thing. There is not agitation. Now there is a part of grief that causes people to go from denial to anger, which she's not in anger. She's not in denial as far as we can tell. It feels like she's just in the moment. She's guarding again. There's a nonsense answer that really does mean something if you listen to her words, but her Senate structure is just really poor. When she talks about people have asked me to volunteer if there is one. What she means is people have called and said, if there is a search, I'd volunteer. Or can you help us organize one? And, and, and well, here's question number one when somebody says that he missed. Did you organize a search? Are you part of a search? And if she says no, then the obvious why question. There's eye movement now deviation from what she was doing earlier for facts. When she was doing facts earlier and now she's talking about these people, our eyes are going back to the opposite side of her brain. So something's going on here. Can't tell what until we get further in and we get a clean question. But let's pay attention to this. I don't know where there's a, this is almost telegraphed. Chase, you say it most of the time, where's my baby? Let's get out there. Any of you, if you're missing a dog would be, where's my baby? Let's go get this. Much less a human being. And she's just been handed the question. What would you like us to do? They didn't ask that, but she says people have asked, they've volunteered, but she still doesn't bring it up. She still doesn't say, where's my baby? There's still no grief. There's still no agitation there. The agitation is all about protection and protection of facts. Every fact that she's bleeding is when it's being pulled out of her. Does that mean she did something? No. But it means this is a hell of a lot of red flags that would certainly get my attention talking to her. And I would start pulling and pulling and pulling. And when I say pulling, I'd be real friendly about it until I wasn't, until there's a reason to have some kind of case. Because remember, you're just interviewing this person and you're trying to get to facts. Mark, what do you got? Yeah. So I'm interested in the blink rate here because it seems super, super. What? What? Yeah. Well, I think I counted one. So we can give a one on that. Chase, I think you're right in suggesting that often it's the case of a low blink rate is hyper-focus. So let's take that. Let's go with that idea because I think it's a good idea. So then we go, okay, so what is she focused on? What is she so hyper-focused on here? Now we've got this big eyebrow raise with that as well. Now talking about terror and fear, there are some indicators in fear. In fear you want to let a lot of information in there. You want your blink rate to be low. So you're getting that information in. Also, the eyebrows are a good way to signal to other people in the room that there's a threat in the room. There's something, there's a predator around. So hyper-focus because of no blink rate. Eyebrows up potentially, I mean, could be approval, but potentially not approval could be signalling to others. There's a risk in the room. There's a predator in the room right now. I don't know whether there's somebody else in the room at the same time as this interview or in the vicinity of Parrot around and about. And something has disturbed the parrot. Greg, it sounds like you know Parrots better than I do. But maybe something else in the house has disturbed the parrot and the parrot wants feeding. Or maybe the parrot just shouts out like that at a certain time of the day. I would be interested. What else is happening? What else is in the room? Who else is in the room or in the vicinity at the time? Chase, what have you got on this one? Yeah, we know now that she uses the single shrug as a social acceptance gesture since we saw it really pronounced when she was mentioning that Madeleine has ADHD. So she's socializing the issue here in this clip of having spoken to everyone. So she's introducing more difficulty here and complexity again, introducing it. So saying they've literally contacted everyone possible. There's no more people that can be contacted, which insinuates nothing more can be done. She's also adding here that people have searched for her. It's about her family going all out, which is very different from asking for help. In many ways, this can be seen as something that's lessening the need for any assistance or help from people. And I'm surprised by this point. There's not one mention of her name unless it was directly asked of her. Then no mention of getting Madeleine back home. And essentially she's saying that all that can be done is either happening or has already happened. And at this point, I would assume she most likely... If I was doing this interview, obviously I'm not in charge of the questions. But based on this, I would assume she very likely knows the location or disposition of Madeleine. And I would say that in likelihood, that's a high likelihood. Scott, what do you got? I agree with you 100%. I'll tell you what I think at the end of this thing. It's cute. Anyway, so I agree with you guys. And Greg, going back to your point, but for all of us, if somebody we loved was missing, they wouldn't be able to interview us because we'd be out. So where's Mark? I don't know. He left. He says he's going hunting for his kid. Where's Jack? We'd be gone. There'd be no interview. They'd be trying to find us, but that's where it'd be happening. He don't sit down and say, well, I think your shoulder shrug went up at that first part because she really doesn't. I think it scares her. I think you're right, Chase. I think that part where, at the beginning there, where she says, where he's asking about the people are coming by and stuff and that shoulder goes up. No, man. She doesn't want to answer that. Of course she's unsure, but she's really insecure about that. We're seeing a whole lot of insecurity here, man. We're seeing somebody who's afraid. We're seeing fear. Why would we be seeing fear other than being afraid for your daughter, Madeline, who has never named in this? Never, not once. So let's think about that for a second. Why would she be doing that? Why would she be pushing away from everything? Why isn't she out hunting for that child? Why isn't she trying to find people to help her hunt for that child? Why didn't she say, look, hang on just a second, if they do get her for an interview and say, look, here's what she looks like. Bang. Here's a picture. Please go out and look. I think that bit about the ADHD, I think that's not true as well. I don't think that's true. I think that's why we're seeing that shoulder go up and that chin go toward the shoulder. I don't think the kid has that. I could be wrong. She could have been diagnosed or whatever. I don't think she has it. And her blink rate, like you were saying, Mark, it's almost gone here. Going back to your point, Chase, we know that when someone's afraid of something, your brain goes, we need to keep an eye on that. So your eyes get a little bit wider and you don't blink. And when you do blink, they don't blink completely most of the time. So I think there's a whole lot going on around here in this situation. We're seeing stress mouth. She's thinking about not getting in trouble. That's what she's thinking about. That's what it's looking like to me so far. So, and Greg, to your part about collusion, you damn straight, I'm with you on that. I think there's a lot going on here that hasn't been brought up yet, maybe in the investigation probably. I'm not sure. All right, we good? That's a good lean, Greg. Mark, it's very pro. I'm just warming up. I was playing it cool. That's what I do. This is my father's name. Friends, the friends, parents, you've contacted and went through every single person. Everyone that we know that she knows, we've contacted them all, reached out to them. The parents have gone out to search and look for her as well. And we haven't come up with anything yet. I've seen a lot of posts on Facebook, Hunters Creek Rants and Raves and what have you. People say that they were going to conduct some cycle like search party or anything. A lot of people have asked me to volunteer. Like if there is one, if they can do one, I have people passing out fires going to every store in that vicinity, gas station, church. I think people will be stopping to street this morning in front of the school to see if they've seen anything, if they've heard anything. My family is, they're going all out right now. Otherwise, a mother, a lot is going in your brain to bring her back home. What have the law enforcement told you that you are able to share? That they're doing the best they can. They've had detectives come out, interview us. They took a piece of her clothing for the canine dog to see if they can sniff her out. I'm not sure when that's being done. Do you have any inkling where she possibly could be? Like if you would say, okay, last time I went to work and came back, she was at Jane's house or Sabrina's house. Maybe I forgot to check that house or she played at this part one week and maybe she went back there or something. We've looked everywhere we could have thought and anywhere she would have been, she would have known to wait for me at the school. But we did check where, if she could have walked. My mom's office is close to the school. We checked there. We checked the walking paths that she could have taken. We've checked all of her friends' house. I think we've checked everywhere I could think of, honestly. What do you think? Oh gosh, I just headed to my tongue. What was she wearing? She was last seen wearing a green hoodie, black shorts, white crocs, a black Jansport backpack with gray hibiscus flowers on it. I used it, this is not like her. Not at all. To have run away and argument anything like that to provoke her. She's never done anything like this, no. And we haven't had any arguments recently to have this outcome. With school? Hunters Creek Middle School. Tom, any questions? All right, Mark, what have you got? Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. He asked this question and she kind of sees him off with that narrowed eyes of like, why are you even going down that route? We've done everything. We've done everything. I don't know why she's seeing him off this territory. Now, you know, there could be all kinds of reasons of why this terror and why this concern of like, don't even investigate that because there could be fear of more violence towards her, towards other children, family members, or maybe she's involved in some way. I don't know where to go on this one at the moment. I don't have the information as yet on that. But it is there's something going on. There's certainly something going on because you would not see that person off the territory of further investigation with that look of almost incredulity as to why you even bothering me with this and going down this route. Unless it was maybe a police officer and you go and look, come on, man. Let's get on with this. Let's get out there. Let's get out there and look. You're bothersome. You're an idiot. Let's go look. And now she has to remember what she was wearing. The eyes go to locate what she was wearing. By now, that's in my mind, that should be a list. That should be a memorized list. Here's what she looks. Here's her name. Here's what she looks like. I don't even know whether she's got at the moment. I don't know whether she has blonde hair or dark hair or urban hair. I don't know. I don't know what color her eyes are. I don't know what kind of shape face she's got. So there's been no description of how tall, there's no description of the child at this point. I don't know why. And the list of what she's wearing should be wrote because she should have said it so many times to so many people that you wouldn't need to search your memory for it. In my mind, I could be wrong. We might be able to drag up a whole bunch of stuff where that isn't true, but it's outside of what, of my expectations of the behavior given the circumstances at this point. Scott, where do you go on this one? All right. After that first question, the leg jiggling is back to attend. That means her stress is way up again because it's going up and down, up and down. Cause you get worn out after a little while of that stuff. You get all worked up and you try to relax a minute. And then it goes back to when there's something else that triggers it, the stress comes back. Now I've talked about this before. And for example, when people say button or a button for button drives me at the wall. And I found one more that drives me up the wall that I hear every now and then. And it just, it's one of those, those linguistic viruses that go around. And when this guy says tongue, that, that interviewer, I can't stand it. And then he says, what is she wearing? He says, where's she wearing? I'll leave that right there. So anyway, when, when he asked what Madeline was wearing last, she swallows and then she starts giving this prepared answer that starts with, she was last seen. That's dispatcher talk. That's not the normal vernacular for, for normal walking around everyday people. That's, that's what the dispatcher says. She was last seen wearing this, that, that she's given the, you know, given information to whoever's, whoever's doing the search or when the search starts or when they're looking for whoever it is or when the police officers show up to the scene. So that's odd as well. So she's thought about that. So there's something going on there. And then after that, she's the, the fading facts on the end where she says, that's about it. See, that's, that's about it. It goes really quiet. So something's up here as well. She's this, this is something's not right here. Something's not right in here. Now the, the, the leg juggling goes back to full on with every question. It settles down. She's answering. Then when the question comes back, she starts, she starts bouncing around again. And at the very end, we see what I call, and when I coined monkey mouth, that's when your mouth makes this circle goes, we saw that with Lance Armstrong. If you'll watch him, he does it. There's very few times that I've seen it, but that's when your stress is at the most they'll do that. And I searched and searched and searched to give examples of it on here. The only one I had was the Lance Armstrong. But go look at that. He does it one time. I think it's during his interview. Maybe it was with Oprah, but that's when someone is stressed through the wazoo, man. That's when they start making monkey mouth. And she definitely had it there. So she's really worried about this. Okay. That's all I got. There's a whole bunch of monkeys. A whole bunch of monkeys super upset with you going, I don't do that. Jason, I still haven't gone. I don't do that. Okay. Those gorillas do. Those gorillas do. And the chimps, but the monkeys, no, we never, we never, they don't do it. So I should change it to gorilla mouth. I don't know. I don't know. But I know the, I know, I know the monkey community are going to be like up in arms. They're going to be like that. Well, halfway up in arms. They'll be in the grotesque plate. Yeah. That would. Okay. So I'm used to, I'm so used to going last, I just always think it's over when it's my turn. Chase, what do you got? Yeah. My, one of my pet peeves with linguistics is when somebody puts a T H at the end of height, and they say height. Oh, like with, it's very common in the U S somehow. But in this club, the hopelessness in her response to the reporter saying, we've looked everywhere, nothing can be done. I am now at this point officially over the edge. And I'm past the 50% mark on saying, in my opinion that she likely knows something about the disposition of her daughter. She's a very socially driven person. And I think she feels guilty, maybe asking for help when she knows or may know that she's going to waste people's time. I'm not saying she's involved. Nice point. I didn't think of it that way. But I do think there's a very good possibility. She knows that a search won't do much. And the reason she's not pleading for help and asking for her return instinctively, instinctively, which is what we, I think we shouldn't be seeing is that she has knowledge maybe about where somebody is or where, what happened to somebody. And at every moment, I would fully expect to see grief or sadness or worry or concern. There's fear and the fear behavior is specifically spiking in precisely all the wrong places. Right when she's being asked about details, not when she's talking about her daughter being taken. That's when you would expect to see the fear. That's why context is so critically important when you're looking at behavior like this and her breathing. She's starting to try to lock that down. My wife is a classically trained ballerina and they have some training. I don't know what it is, but it's like up there with the SEAL teams on controlling that stuff. I can't get my wife's breathing rate when she's trying to hide it from me and she's getting close to this little locking it down. The trouble with locking down your breathing rate when you're under stress and pressure, as Mark would say, is that it's going, it's like plugging a hole somewhere where that's going to come out and it's going to be more exaggerated and more dramatic because the demand for oxygen that adrenaline sends to your body doesn't go away. So that's why we saw that big spike here, in my opinion. Greg. Greg, tell us about your ballet thing. You know more about that than we do. Tell us about that. The ballet thing? Oh yeah, that's me. It fits me perfectly. From your training? From your training? I had some training with that, sure. You know why? You know why you're bothered by the word button being pronounced that way? No. Because people under 40 all pronounce it that way. They just do it. And button? They've changed the way, the pronunciation from words like Manhattan, button, it's changed over time. It is one of those things. Just like I guarantee you still put two spaces between a period and the next word. I'm bad at talking about that. The noise the hell out of me. Younger people don't. Younger people don't. So the world's changed, Scott. And it's okay if I did ballet. I didn't say that, Scott. Yes, you did. So here's one of the funny things in this. When she first starts off, when people say um, that is a pause word. And they don't say it when they're out of information. They say it when they're looking for the next thing to say. So they say, if I'm saying um, then I'm going to say something else. And even Forrest Gump knew when it was time to say that's all I know about that, but she doesn't. She tries to fill in and she tries to add you and she says, I don't know what to add. Well, you shouldn't add anything. You should just shut up. When you're done delivering the facts you have about this case, to your point, Chase, it's starting to look really, really stinky. If I go back and look at the places I've seen stress, they were um, around waiting. There was a lot of stress and something odd. Then there was stress around what was the last thing you said to her. There was a stress about where was she or where is she? Those things are all in the wrong places. It should be stress about when did she say that, but there isn't. And then if you pay close attention to her breathing and all of the increase and concern in her brow, all of that stuff comes. Her face changes, all of it comes at that one question about, do you know where she might be? Mark, I agree with you. Those eyes narrow, the face twist. This is a deviation from everything we've seen to now. More importantly, she loses verbal fluency and starts to edit as she's speaking. She says, well, she should, she would have waited for me. She was close because she was close to where my mom's office. That's just more information that has zero value to what you're asking and where you're going. And then she gets to that last, the last indicator with the eyes is that intake eye. I'm always saying and chase you, everyone of us except Mark knows from shooting dominant eye that intake eye gets narrowing people in there really uncomfortable in the situation and watch hers get more and more narrow as we go in there. I agree with you. Waring is a weird choice of words. Who says that? Chase, if I ask you, hey, tell me what your son was wearing this morning. Well, he was last seen wearing. No, that's odd. Nobody talks that way. That's that's guilty knowledge. And there are two other things. Yeah. There's two other things that are really interesting to me. I talked about baseline eye accessing this down to the gray hibiscus flowers is a memory thing. It is a memory thing. And she's going boom, boom. She's going to a lock space, but it's exactly opposite of where she's been going when asked questions about how the day unfolded. That's enough reason for me to be agitated and go after more information and try to figure out where the deviations are. And that is a clear, clean, single sensory channel questions all about appearance, nothing to do with feelings or look or sound or any of that other stuff. So now we got some deviation and baseline there. The last one that I would be really concerned about is the guy ask a question about an argument where she would have left. And she says not recently. Not recently. And when she says not recently, she breaks eye contact in an uncomfortable way. She hasn't done the follow-up question is, okay, were you ever in an argument would have made her leave two days ago yesterday? What was recently to you? I would have asked those questions because something may be up that you would uncover with that question. It's a pretty innocuous one. She brought it up. So I got it. And I don't have any ballet training. Trust me. If you'd ever see me dance, you would know that. He shows us all that shows the plie. You know, tell us that story about that time you're here. In a video game from the 80s. I think it's a plie. No, please. Isn't it plie? They go plie and they do something. Yeah. Yeah. Never been to ballet in my life. Don't know. Plie. No, plie. Ask Michelle. She'll know. I will. Honestly. Do you have any inkling where she possibly could be? Like if you would say, okay, the last time I went to work and came back, she was at James' house or in Sabrina's house. And maybe I forgot to check that house or she played at this part one weekend, maybe she went back there or something like that. We've looked everywhere. We could have thought in any Um, she would have known to wait for me at the school, um, but we did check where if she could have walked, uh, my mom's office is close to the school. We checked there. We checked the walking paths that she could have taken. We've checked all of her friend's house. I think we've checked everywhere I could think of, honestly. What do you think? Um, oh gosh, I just headed to my tongue. What was she wearing? She was last seen wearing a green hoodie, black shorts, white crocs, a black jansport backpack with gray high viscous flowers on it. I used to, this is not like her. Not at all. To have run away and argument anything like that to provoke her. She's never done anything like this, no. And we haven't had any arguments recently to have this outcome. With school? Hunters Peak Middle School? Tom, any questions? No. Have this outcome. With school? Hunters Peak Middle School? Tom, any questions? No. Is there anything that you think our viewers would need to know about the way you're feeling, the family's feeling, Madeline? We are desperate for any answers, anything that you can do to help. I'm here for it. Just please, if you see my daughter, just please bring her home. And just hope you're okay, Maddie. I hope you're safe. I hope you're not hurt. I just hope she's okay. When did you notice that she was missing? Because this was at the beginning of the morning. She got dropped off in the morning. We did that notice until after school pick up at 4 o'clock when I went to go pick her up and she wasn't at school. So we're going in 24 hours now? Yeah. Just about? Yeah. Nothing? Nothing. No word, no text message, no messages anywhere from her. I've looked at all her social medias. I've looked at all her games. She could have played with any app, no weird conversations, nothing strange. Everything was conversations with just normal friends or us. She knows how to get home by herself, as if that should say, to take a bus or Uber or something like that. She wouldn't know how to get home alone, correct? Not sure. I don't know if she would know how to get home. I mean, if someone, I'm thinking if someone got in the car with her and if she pointed the way, what roads she probably could figure out how to get, but does she know a full address? I don't think she does. Which would give me the, I mean, it just puts in my brain that she always comes home with someone. She always comes home with him. So she has no need for her to really do her? Exactly. Okay. And you said no time? He knows everything. All right, Mark, what do you got? Well, she does ask for help in the end. She does use her name, but it's taken some time getting there. So a little bit too late from my point of view. Hope you're okay. Lots of upward inflections there. I would like more force within that if it's a sincere call out to her daughter that there's the possibility that she could be hearing her even if she's captured in some way. And then there's a complete change in voice and attitude from being passive, which we've heard her before, to being now passive and kind of helpless, to being active when she's describing how she could direct somebody, the journey home. A really big change. Again, we're always looking out for changes. I can't really make head or tail of why that change, but it shouldn't really be there. There's no necessity for a change there. And it's almost like an affect gets dropped for this kind of passive helplessness that we've seen her in suddenly gets dropped immediately. It's like it's been an act of some sort. Find it very, very odd, these quick changes that are going on. Greg, can you make any sense of it for me? Yeah, I'm back to what I said in the beginning. When you're grieving, your brain is occupied on another category and you are responding to what's given you. It is not your single obsession to chase. You call it socially focused. I think it's fearfully focused on what this person knows or doesn't know in trying to make sure you're managing that as you go. And I think it is social, but I also think it's fear driven. And I think when you're facing grief, you said it early too. You don't care. I don't care what you think. I want my kid. There's way too much focus mark on what this person thinks is what I think you're seeing. Her intake eyes damn near close. Now look at that left eye. It's closed down real tight. We have not seen a single tear, not a grief muscle, that arched series of muscles. It shows that very little concern. There's no membrane, no mucous membrane drainage. She says at one point, we didn't get a text message. Well, you told us the phone was on the counter. How did you expect the text message? So I think she's now just rifling through what she thinks she's supposed to. It feels a lot like she's got a list of things. And then her baseline for visual is not what she's doing is she describes your actions. We just saw what her baseline for visual was. And now she's going somewhere else when she's saying, I did this and I did this and I did this. There's a big deviation when she's talking about games and apps. She's back to that narrowing of the face and that dismissing with her face. And her bouncing is increased. I think she's in circuit overload here at one point. She can't understand what the guy's asking questions. And then when he throws out of that life ring about her coming home with somebody, she'll grabs at it because it's back to her being able to get connection with the guy again. Again, I'll go back and say grief doesn't agitate. Grief slows. Grief causes you to be more contained and zombie-like. Agitation comes when there's a reason why you're trying to get contact with somebody or to hide something or do whatever else it is in there. And that can be. Now that agitation can come out and I want to find my kid, but that's not what we're seeing. We're seeing agitation at perception management. Chase, what do you got? Reception management is what we're seeing for sure. I agree. And I think she's afraid to ask for help. So there's six ways that I teach people are driven and social needs or the need for acceptance is one of those. And that's what we're seeing here. Having the need for acceptance means that you naturally have, as a byproduct of that, a fear of tribal retribution or pissing off the tribe. So asking for help and then this information coming out later means that she will face the wrath of her tribe. And that's what I think we're looking at here. They give her the entire floor here to say whatever she wants. And the first thing that we hear, she asks for answers. And we just want answers, not the daughter back. And then she says, if you see my daughter, just please bring her home. If she was taken, I don't think that's what she would say. No confidence in this at all. And it just kind of assumes that she wasn't taken and maybe lost in the streets. But just a few seconds right before this, she said in her heart, she feels like Madeline was taken by somebody. And in this moment, she's saying, I hope you're not hurt. Try to mimic her behavior when she says, I hope you're not hurt. Mimic her facial expression, her tone and her breathing. See how you feel if you copy what she's doing. And I think that will give you a magical key to see behind the scenes here. At the moment of saying, I hope you're not hurt, something goes off in her head and she freezes. And I just think she doesn't know what to say. I also think that phrase saying out loud is something that's sending her mind into dark territory. And she could be recalling something she knows to be true or something she's fearing or something she actually saw. I've never heard a parent say anything like this in one of these videos. This pause that she takes after saying all of this hit me in the stomach watching it this morning going through these videos. Scott. Yeah. And the part about imitate her and see how you'd feel. Paulic, we did a whole study on that. And he would have people make a smile or make a frown or whatever. And they would start, you can fire up the emotion by just using your face. I can't remember what the name of that is. What do you call that? That triggers that. There's a term he came up for. Mirror neurons. No. Well, mirror neurons. What we'll see in a copy there. Theory of mind. What the brain does. Yeah. But he's got a specific thing for that. It's all the things you guys are talking about. But it's one little phrase in there. I'll see if I can find out what it is in the break. All right. You guys pretty much covered everything. But after that first question, it's dang downhill all the way that leg gets jiggling. Her blink rate is almost stopped. It looks like her eyes are frozen open except for that one. It's all squinched up. It's all like you were saying, Greg, it's dang near closed. This for me, like from video one, I said, something's not right here. And then the more we go forward, as we talked about before we started this, I think she's in there. I think there's collusion in there somewhere. We'll get into details of that here a little while. But then first thing, we hear more fading facts. I'm trying to add things you guys haven't already talked about, but I don't think I am. This is my father's man. What's school? Hunters Peak Middle School. Tom, any questions? No. Is there anything that you think our viewers would need to know about the way you're feeling? The family's feeling? Madeline? We're desperate for any answers, anything that you can do to help. I'm here for it. Just please, if you see my daughter, just please bring her home and just hope you're okay, Maddie. I hope you're safe. I hope you're not hurt. I just hope she's okay. When did you notice that she was missing? Because this was at the beginning of the morning. She got dropped off in the morning. We did that notice until after school pick up at 4 o'clock when I went to go pick her up and she wasn't at school. So we're going in 24 hours now? Yeah. Just about? Yeah. Nothing? Nothing. No word, no text message, no messages anywhere from her. I've looked at all her social medias. I've looked at all her games. She could have played with any app. No weird conversations, no nothing strange. Everything was conversations with just normal friends or us. She knows how to get home by herself, as if like, that should say, to take a bus or an Uber or something like that. She would know how to get home alone, correct? I'm not sure. I don't know if she would know how to get home. Maybe, I mean, if someone, I'm thinking if someone got in the car with her and if she pointed the way, what roads, she probably could figure out how to get, but like, does she know a full address? I don't think, I don't think she does. Which would give me the, I mean, it just puts in my brain that she always comes home with someone. She always comes home with them. She's no need for her to really learn. Okay. And you said no time? He knows everything. All right, the first question is that I can get your first and last name and spell them both out for me. Stephen Stearns, S-T-E-P-H-A-N-S-T-E-R-N-S. All right, so, Stephen, you seem very emotional right now. Explain to us. I dropped her off. Everything looked fine when I drove away. So last time we saw her. What were the conversations that you had in the car when you dropped her off? Not much, she was asleep for most of the way. Told her have a good day at school when she got out and I love her. She said thanks, love you too. What was it? And so, where do you think she could possibly be? I mean, this isn't, as I was told, this isn't normal behavior. This is not normal behavior. She's not the type that would just run off. We don't know where she can be. We're scared. We just want her home. Are you, in a sense, blaming yourself? Sorry, not too. Why? I dropped her off early. I could have waited longer. She looked okay. She was walking towards the school when I saw her. It was like any other day. So I went on with my day. Sorry not to blame myself. Chase, what do you got? You'll notice his tone here. Maybe Scott will include a special rendition of this that he was doing off-camera here a second ago. In our final clip, it's one of finality, though. It's finality. Even his language, if you listen closely, it's all about things being over and done with. He makes an appeal for her to come home, but it carries the same listen to this when it comes back on. His appeal for her to come home has the exact same emotional weight as you see and hear when he's spelling his name for the camera. When I see this, there's always something wrong, every time. Always. So the question was ambiguous and open from the reporter. And Stephen, I think is his name, could have said anything that he wanted to. When someone's in the situation and they have the floor and they default to the story of what happened from the beginning, essentially a story they made up for the police. This is one of the top three red flags you could ever see. The number one concern is the story which explains his innocence and not her disappearance or her return or her being found. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so emotions are expensive. They take up a lot of oxygen to get them going. There's a lot of respiration involved in emotions in order to get that kind of action in the eyes and that kind of tonality, not quite being able to get his words out, would take a lot of oxygen and carbon dioxide, a lot of respiration to get that going. His breathing rate is not up at the right level. Just immediately, the breathing does not fit a heightened emotion of any sort whatsoever. So it can't be a real emotion because they're expensive and he's not taking in enough oxygen and expelling enough carbon dioxide to support any kind of heightened emotion. So straight off the bat, I go well, that's made up. He's making that up. He's acting that right now and not well enough. Not well enough for me not to be able to see it. She was asleep most of the way, he says. I mean, I think that's odd behavior for a child going, I mean, yeah, I mean, kids that are real, yeah, we'll fall into them often, you know, a kid's ill just got in the car and they're asleep. Like, they're not, you know, they don't want to go to school. They're making out that they're ill or they're ill and that's why they're asleep. Or maybe the journey is a three-hour journey. You know, and they get up at 4 o'clock in the morning in order to make it for the, I mean, that's a possibility. But from the description it seemed to be a short journey. It just struck me as odd. The kid was asleep most of the way. I don't get, I don't understand that. I'm not feeling his feeling because the breathing isn't enough. So he's got no empathy from me. And in this situation, if it were real, I should be empathetic. Even me I would, I would feel it and I'm not feeling it at all. So again, another reason why on an emotional level rather than just the intellectual level that the breathing isn't right on the emotional level my, my empathy and my theory of mind isn't, isn't firing off. So this stuff missing definitely missing from there. And then he says it's hard not to blame myself. So he's focused on himself whereas he should be focused on her. It should be nothing about him and blame for him. He should be focused on the search right now. It's all wrong. It's all it's all Pete Tong. Greg, what are you doing this one? Yeah, I thought he was going to break into a BG song with that tone of voice, that little falsetto cry that he does. I'm just like, look, everybody knows that when you cry, you're indifferent to what people think of you. Real crying, you're snot-nosed, snotty-eyed, you don't care. I mean, if you ever see me cry, I won't care what you think. It's just the way life is. He's not. He's a bad actor going, I always call it going down the well to get emotion. What real people do when they're feeling like, look at back, they contain it, they don't embrace it and try to go into it and lean into it. He's leaning into it, Mark. I mean, if you were coaching this guy, you'd say, the hell you doing? That's not acting. So if you watch this guy's going down the well, he's finding something and he's probably finding something to go down the well over, looking down into his right, recalling something that makes him feel emotion so he can pull up some. Even then, he can't. It's really bad. His respiration, everything about it is bad chase. I'll give you another bad marker that I feel like there might be. When the bird interrupted her story, she started her story over because it's important I get the facts out. People don't do that when their kid's missing. They go, just get my kid home. I'll tell you all that later. How we got to here is a different story, but they do. They start and it's like we were just saying and when we do when we capture prisoners, there's things we call 5 s and one of those is separate. And the reason we want to do that is because I don't want Chase and Mark talking because then I can't tell who to separate those guys is separate speed, silent safety. Yeah, I know you're doing the same thing, right? Segregate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, segregate is about moving them apart so that you get the chance to be able to talk to the person and get their story. And these people are both stories that start over right at the beginning when they get interrupted. That ain't a good sign. Number one, he's got deep breath and and emotionally I accessing probably trying to get that, but then he does this thing. Go watch me when we're talking to Terry. That's not lip compression. That is disdain and disapproval and condemning all day. He does that almost every time he says something about this little girl and you can't see it as much because of facial hair, but pay attention. He does that lip compression and he does a head head nod or head shake. I don't think that is the confirming thing. And Scott, you're going to talk about in a minute. We'll say this is a counter shake. He's saying this when he's saying yes, something is wrong. All this together creates a cluster. We saw her. You know, he's now he's back to the pronoun again, sharing those pronouns. And then when he's asked not much, she was asleep. His head shaking and lack of eye contact or bad sign. When he raises his eyes to make contact is something key to his story is the only time he's going to do it. When you ask him a point, he'll do the other and then when finally they they ask him a question and he starts to do this. He entirely loses the whole head shaking or nodding. That was it. He goes shakes his head like this. What the hell does that mean exactly when you want to know? And then a single shoulder shrug as he says not normal, every word that he wants you to hear is punctuated with eye lock or romance or as Scott and I would call it in the true crime workshop, but it's locking eyes. We just want her home. There's again a head nod lip compression and disdain. This guy right out the gate, you look at him and you go boom, there's that this guy has got nothing positive in it. He looks like he's storytelling. He's using that again team pronoun. So let's pay attention to him. Scott, what do you got? Every woman watching this within the first seven seconds with he did it. Something's not right here. You got that feeling that told you someone go was it wasn't right because even in that short little window of time, you picked up a lot of things when he's that voice he's doing that where he's he's talking really like something's wrong. That's coming from the diaphragm It's not coming from constricted larynx. That's not what's happened there. It's not that constriction that makes your voice go up. I know this because having sang background vocals for years and years and literally we would do 50 of the low part Yeah, I was in the Bee Gees. 50 of the low part, 50 of the mids, 50 of the highs and then 50 of the low and these make these huge gang background vocals. That's how you do it. And that's what I would do every time. That's what everybody I know would do every time and I know what it that I know what that sounds like and that's what he's doing. So that's fake. That is that is the worst I've ever heard somebody try to fake being sad is that that's that's so bad right out of the gate. This whole thing is just full of odd behavior. So let's like you were saying let's pay attention to how many times we shows up in here. He says we dropped her off although the last time we saw her so that tells me I think that mom might have been with him when during all this and mark the point about the sleeping that you were talking about what they found out was that he had her in the car after she was alive anymore and had it looking like she was had her sitting up in the car driving as he was going and they have video of that that's why I said she was asleep most of the time. So and I just happened to watch a video about that. I was like oh there's that's more on the kid. So that's what he's talking about. You didn't have that info so you didn't you didn't know but that's that's a good call because why would she be asleep at that point. He says nothing. It was like it was an ordinary day. Everything else was normal. He didn't say except for she it's not normal because she wouldn't be let off in a church parking lot. I understand how sometimes kids would be had their parents let them off when they're down the sidewalk as they walk up. That's cool but let me let off in a church parking lot way back there. Remember when the mother said they couldn't tell if it was her or not because of the grainy video at the church but then she said that was her. They could see her in the parking lot there and she wandered off. That wasn't her. Obviously it wasn't her. So these these two been talking about this. They're in collusion. She knows what's up. She knows what's happened here. She knows exactly what's happened here. That's why we've seen all the fear and terror on her face and he's doing this real quiet thing. He's got it. He's even moved much and the expressions we're seeing. That's not sadness man at all. He's trying to fake sadness. We don't see anything that shows course he's got a beard but we you can see through those things. You can see the movements in there. We're not seeing those things we should be saying seeing like you guys were talking about earlier. You can see the mouth move in there. You can see what's going on with the mouth even though he has a beard. There are things they're going to show you that these two are working together. These two and it may not be out yet. Ladies if you're watching this and you're working that case heads up. Something's up here. I hope I'm not letting this out of the bag so she starts protecting herself but I don't think in this case that guy's probably going to tell her anyway. He's probably going to I would say. Something's up here. I think they're colluding. I really do. Of course this is just my opinion. It may not be true and it may not be valid and all that. It's just an opinion. There you have that. The part about where it's hard not to feel guilty. It's hard not to feel guilty. Oh my God you guys. Am I on mute? No? We've all done the lean-in. Yeah you ruined our lean-in. My best lean-in ever. I thought I was muted. You guys were laughing. I'll re-watch it and here's what I'll do. I'll go back through and I'll choose a winner on this when I review it when I'm editing. Okay? I promise you that's what I'll do. Sorry. He knew I knew. Alright the first question is if I can get your first and last name and spell them both out for me. Stefan Stearns. S-T-E-P-H-A-N S-T-E-R-N-S Alright so Stefan is very emotional right now explained to us. I dropped her off. Everything looked fine when I drove away. So that's the last time we saw her. What were the conversations that you had in the car when you dropped her off? Well lunch she was asleep for most of the way. Told her have a good day at school when she got out and I love her. She said thanks, love you too. What was it? And so where do you think she would be? I mean this isn't, as I was told this isn't normal behavior. This is not normal behavior she's not the type that would just run off. We don't know where she can be. We're scared. We just want her home. Are you in a sense blaming yourself? Sorry not too. Why? That dropped her off early and I could have waited longer. She looked okay and she was walking like any other day so I went on with my day. It's hard not to blame myself. It's hard not to blame myself. What has the conversation been with Jen since? She's been very a lot stronger than me. She's been holding it together really well. But it just keeps coming in waves. This is the reality. We don't know where she is. We don't know if she's safe. We're just scared. We just want her home. Have you literally put boots on a round route? Yeah, I even went out with the cops where I had dropped her off. We looked all up and down the road all over the communities and there was nothing helpful. None of the cameras reporting the street. Nothing which in 2024 was surprising. The church across the street had some cameras and they mentioned seeing her waiting around in the parking lot for a while before moving on. That was it. But it was greedy footage and not much else. Does it seem like she walked west, east? They said in the direction of the school I'm not sure what that is. What was the language, not language verbally, language, body language when you drove through all that she seemed happy? Was she like, I'm going to meet my friends? She got a happy weekend. She just turned 13. She got her 13th birthday party. She was happy that we were all together here. She's just very happy. She was a happy kid. She's very sweet. She's a very sweet girl. She brings a lot of joy to us and we just not knowing. So the unknown is telling you? Yeah, it's like our whole world is upside down. I'm not feeling her presence here. I'm sorry. It's hard. I know you're fine. Don't need to apologize. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so what's this guy doing? Searching for change in the floor because what he's doing is he's moving his eyes back and left, back and left, but back and right. He is not making eye contact. And that means that the stuff he was doing in the last one where he was punctuating with his eyes even looks more suspicious now. I don't know where she is. If she is safe, he does a fake eye wipe with that tissue and I put in my notes. Even Murdoch was smart enough to check his own self and make sure that he had a tear or not. This guy has no clue he doesn't. And there's none of that showing. It looks like he might have rubbed his nose before he came in in that to make him red. I even went with the cops. How magnanimous of you to go with the cops to find your own child. Come on. If this is your child or your partner's child, just say something about what's in his head. The only key point he makes, again, he goes back to one of his key points. None of the cameras point to the street. Even more suspicious. We go back and look at the things he said. She was asleep. He's telling his story and every one of those key points that he probably took out intentionally has that eye lock. If you go back and watch, you'll see it. Listen to cadence changes. He starts the narrative of grief. So when I said earlier, people slow down and he does do the slowing down of grief. But when he gets into the story and he's giving the narrative, it disappears, just goes away. And he starts to lilt and tell his story. The guy asked a question. Everybody's going to say he said in past tense about she was, but the guy asked the question in past tense. He does say she was happy. She had had a birthday party. But he said she was a happy kid. And then he shifts gears. And I think he realizes that he said it and he says she is, she is, she is. I would be really careful with a guy like this because I can tell this guy might be the kind of guy we always hear people saying we tell people how to lie. This guy may be the kind of guy who's been binge watching us for days because he knows he's going to talk to the TV. Because I think he probably thinks he's smarter than he is. And he also says I did not feel her presence. It's hard not feeling a presence. And the mother says the same thing in an earlier interview. Language matters and people while they're partners and they do talk, most people don't have the language to talk about that because we don't deal with that in their lives. If you've lost somebody very close to you, you may use that language. But if you haven't, who walks around using those words? Most people don't. So this guy, look, we all know now he's been arrested for and there was evidence against. And if you want to know about that evidence, go look it up. But there's plenty here to make you want to dig further and ask a bunch more questions. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, I agree. Rather than saying, look, we miss her. We want her home. Get her home. Not feeling her presence here. That idea is usually reserved for the dead. So, you know, it's out of it's out of place here. I agree with you, Greg. We have the question is asked. What was she feel? What was her demeanor the day before? She was happy. Then she was a happy kid. Okay. Well, that's a now a generalization in the past tense. And that which could be fine. If it wasn't corrected to go, she's a happy. She's a happy kid. Right. So that does stand out for me there. And this last thing here is he hasn't looked at the footage on the video. There's an idea that there's some video out there where she is sitting there. I don't know. I don't know. There's a video out there where she is seen, but it's but it's grainy in some case. If I was looking for my daughter, I'd be like and I've seen that video and it's her or I've seen that video and it wasn't it wasn't her. I would have looked at that video because I would be going I'm going to know my daughter better than anybody else. I'll be able to tell if it's her. I'll be able to tell if she's being followed. I'll be able to tell from a gate if she's happy I will have more information than anybody else if I can see that footage. He hasn't even looked at it from his description. Well, that's that's odd. That's odd even if he's guilty. If I was guilty, I'd be going on and look at that footage because I want to see whether what the hell is happening? What the hell is happening here? I want to see whether this is enough for me to go, yeah, see that is her that she's alive at that point. She's in the back of my car right now. That's her alive. I would want an alibi out of that if I was guilty for a start and if I was not guilty and I'm looking for my kid I want to see that that footage. He's not even looked at it. That is bizarre. Chase, what do you got on this one? You all covered a lot here and I agree. When he says it keeps coming in waves reality keeps hitting. Those are the things you say after an event has concluded. After there's some certainty about the end of that event and he's still injecting difficulty into the search with more finality in his tone. There's no real emotion, no tears, no facial expressions of grief. Can't make eye contact during the critical times when it's reasonable to do so. And when the details aren't helpful or relevant when a child's missing parents who are innocent spend time on those details. Ever, ever, ever. So when you see a mountain of detail about everything that's just a pile of known facts and then parents briefly skim over the fact that they want help finding the child or they want the child home these parents need lots of attention if you get my drift. So the acting here is pretty bad but it's hard to fake wanting to find somebody want them found and it's harder than acting on TV or movies because you have to pretend that everything is the opposite of the truth not just a version of the truth. So that's why everything feels off here. So he mentions happy three times in this. Did y'all pick up on that? Like happy and happy and happy that's something I would love to ask about if I was this reporter and again I wish the media would just download that PDF I put in the description down below. It's helpful and it will help us to analyze your videos if you ever have to interview anybody like this again. Scott, what do you got? Hey, before you go there, if you're watching this you're welcome to contact us if you're getting ready for an interview like this and we will help you go and ask the right questions. We mean that. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, get hold of us. The behavior panel at gmail.com H-A-V-I-O-R there's no you in there and it's not behavioral. A lot of people think it's behavioral panel but it's just the behavior panel at gmail.com. Email us. We'll hook you up. So when it comes to facial expressions especially those that deal with true emotion those expressions don't fade very fast his expressions do. When he puts on that fake little crying face and it goes away quickly to a face he's almost trying to observe something that goes away. Fake won't stick that's one of the things about true emotion if you have true emotion that lasts sometimes if you have a surprise the surprise doesn't last very long anger lasts a while and happiness lasts a while but even at its largest when you're happy it starts fading some but when you see someone who has a sad face and it goes back to normal and sad face goes back to normal it's not because they're thinking it's becoming sad and it's going away he thinks he's still making that face or he's under the impression because he's trying to do that but it just starts fading away that's what we're seeing here that's what lets us know he's not truly sad about anything little Mickey Mouse voice he's got going in that fake expression fading like that he looks normal he looks unbothered if you just stop this and look at it and it looks like he's looking for something it's the oddest behavior for someone who's supposedly worried about somebody or has just experienced something where someone in their family or one of their close someone they love is missing that whole thing is it right you guys covered just about everything so there you go I'll leave it there alright Mark you win that one that was the only player nobody else is concerned now I got all that guff now know what he's one of those tape replays sorry not to play myself what has the conversation been with Jen since she's been very a lot stronger than me she's been the one that you got me really well and uh but it just keeps coming your waves just the reality keeps adding we don't know where she is we don't know if she's safe we're just scared we just want her home have you like literally put boots on a round went out yeah even went out with the cops where I had dropped her off and we looked all up and down the road all in communities and there was nothing helpful none of the cameras reporting the street nothing which in 2024 was surprising the church across the street had some cameras and they mentioned seeing her waiting around in the parking lot for a while before moving on that was it but it was greedy it was greedy footage and not much else does it seem like she walked west east they said in the direction of the school I'm not sure what that is what was the language not language verbally language body language when you drove through all this she seemed happy was she like I'm going to meet my friends she got a happy weekend she just turned 13 she was happy that we were all together here she's just very happy she was a happy kid she's a very sweet girl she brings a lot of joy to us and we just not knowing so the unknown is telling you yeah it's like our whole world and upside down I'm not feeling her presence here I'm sorry it's hard I know you're fine I apologize what do you want our viewers to know when they see this she's a sweetheart she's a very sweet kind girl just please be nice to her bring her home if you find her tell her that we love her wherever she is I hope she's okay I mean if someone were to come in contact with her and you gave me her diagnoses she didn't be easy to approach her without any like agitation or anything yeah she's a good kid she's a good kid if you can set up in one complete sentence waking up getting ready to drop her off at school dropping her off at school to now speaking to me after talking to the police about her being missing for over 24 hours right now in one complete sentence what would that be a living nightmare it's a living nightmare they started off like any other you know I just want to wake up and just get hit with waves of the reality just setting in as soon as it got dark last night we really we started falling apart we knew it wasn't going to come to an end and now we're going on 24 hours it's still nothing conflicting reports here and there people say they see this or that none of it's conclusive none of it's helpful we just want a baby girl back Tom any questions thank you all right Mark what do you got yeah okay so stronger emotions on this one so you know that could start to look in his favor because suddenly I was like okay bit of a breathing stronger you know it's ramping up here that would all be good if he wasn't shading his eyes so we can't see in them so just as everybody's been saying when you're having real emotions real heightened emotions most of which really can't last for more than 10 minutes it's about the maximum that your metabolism can keep up a really strong even if like you're joyously happy 10 minutes is about it because you just run out of energy you'll start to feel hungry like you'll get depleted of glycogen you get that kind of hollow feeling after a while because it's just such an energetic drain but you aren't concerned with what people think of those emotions that's when it's great to see people laugh out loud because it's like oh they don't care it's so funny they don't care same with crying out loud the person doesn't care anymore about what people think of them he cares and that's why he's not letting you see bad actors are the same really bad actors they'll go for the emotion then they'll start looking away and start saying their lines into the floor somewhere it's like ah they don't want me to see that this isn't going well for them it's not the real thing so I don't buy it at all still Greg what have you got on this one? just a few things not one word to this girl not one word when he's asked to say anything he wants not one word to the girl there's more no tears he talks about her when he does talk about her he talks about bringing her back and finding her and picking her up like she's an inanimate object well probably for a reason and clearly he has said something to this reporter about her having something wrong because he talks about diagnoses so some kind of disorders something again back to the mother saying ADHD this guy's like pulling teeth you're trying to get information about him he's like pulling teeth and the interviewer even hands him hands him exactly what to say says if you had one sentence what would you say all that emotion mark that I agree with you it all shows up guess what when it shows up is around him saying we need something conclusive this is not going to end those are not words that you expect conclusive not going to end remember where I saw their genuine emotion in her in the very beginning waiting conclusion not going to end not feeling her presence not a fan Scott what do you get alright there's no upheaval of emotion anywhere in this as people talk about these things they'll start dawning on them again there's a camera guy and there's an interviewer they're talking to me about our child's missing or our loved one's missing and you see this upheaval of emotion we don't see that we don't see many changes at all in his expressions because emotions aren't real there's no sudden panic there's no realization of the horror that's going on in this situation none of that zero he just gets at one spot and just kind of glides right along right there his blink rate's fairly low it's not anywhere near as low as the woman's was but it's fairly low and then I think he's just parroting what he's heard other people say bringing the parents back into this I think he's just copying and saying what he's heard other people say in this situation who are actually missing someone I think that's what we're hearing he's trying to remember how to say those things I think he's thought about it before he's rehearsed it and said but he hasn't said it out loud that's why it sounds a little so odd as well but he's just parroting what he's heard before so there's no despair there's no anger there's no nothing here so many things are missing there's no grief he shows no true behaviors we don't really see the sides of the mouth go down we don't see anything in here the only thing he's got is a dry Kleenex that he keeps pretending he's wiping his dry eyes with and his dry nose with and he sniffs a lot that is the lamest acting I've ever seen and I've seen some pretty bad movies before that guy's pretty lame what do you think his acting is one of the worst you've ever seen well he lost me on the first video within four seconds so bad Chase what do you got you don't need to be a profiler to look at this clip at all so here's one tool you can use when the clip comes back on what does a person default to when they're given an open floor by the media you can answer most questions when it comes to missing persons announcement with just asking that question what do they default to when they have the floor is it about returning her asking for help is it about hopefulness of finding her in these critical first 72 hours when this video was taken is it asking the community to call the police if they see her is it emotionally making an appeal or help for assistance or is it about their own suffering their own story their own lack of sleep and a very casual mention of wanting the child back which is what we're seeing here you'll notice he's saying they want her back with the same vocal tone again the same emotional content the same behavior as when he spelled his name for the camera that's all I got we're not doing another video so I was gonna I think it's great I was laughing at Greg went head down went right in man here's the contemplative chase I'll give you that one of those tape replays do apologize what do you want our viewers to know when they see this she's a sweetheart she's a very sweet kind girl just please be nice to her bring her home if you find her tell her that we love her whatever she is I hope she's okay I mean if someone were to come in contact with her and you gave me her diagnosis would it be easy to approach her without any like agitation or anything yeah yeah she's a good kid she's a good kid if you can sum up a one complete sentence waking up getting ready to drop her off at school dropping her off at school to now speaking to me after talking to the police about her being missing for over 24 hours right now and one complete sentence would that be a living nightmare it's a living nightmare days started off like any other and I just want to wake up we just get hit with waves of the reality just it's setting in soon as I got dark last night we really we started falling apart we knew it wasn't going to come to an end and now we're going on 24 hours it's still nothing conflicting reports here and there people say they see this or that none of it's conclusive none of it's helpful we just want a baby girl back Tom any questions no I'm good thank you thank you all right now let's do a final verdict opinion of what we've seen so far with all the videos we've looked at all the things we've talked about let's talk about what we actually think is going on Mark what do you got yeah for me the guy straight out of the gate trouble absolutely no no no question in my mind about it within four seconds I was going there's your issue the female here I am concerned about she knows something at this point she suspects something or she has or she's involved in some way I don't know which one I'd be speculating if I but she's not giving us everything there probably time will tell what the situation actually is Chase yeah things just starting adding up I'm not sure the mother was arrested or not I don't know but it looks very unusual personally outside the behavior panel and all of us have I've analyzed several hundred of videos like this and I hope the media gets ahold of that PDF it would make it would make your interviews better it would make our analysis better so I linked it in the description down there and none of us are forensics experts and behavior alone should never put anybody on trial but behavior should drive focus and attention until the truth is found and I think maybe some attention needs to be paid to the other party here Greg people don't accidentally say things people say things because their brain is functioning in a way they're either guarding or they're forthcoming or they're doing whatever they do when I see patterns of speech that are identical in two people yeah they're couple but this incident occurred days and hours maybe hours days before this so you've not had time to develop common language around the topic when I hear language that's common when I hear word patterns that shift and go back and start over at the beginning when they get interrupted in storytelling when I hear words like or stress around words like waiting and conclusion I don't feel real good about that so for me while I can't say this woman knows anything she certainly has a whole lot of indicators red flags it would cause me to say what does she know does she have a suspicion and that's a reason for all of this kind of wonky body language or is it something much deeper because what we see here are two strategies one is a grieving animated not realizing that grief takes away your thinking brain and you're not protecting the self and the other is this emotional deep in a well person both of which are about this person not about the missing child the missing child should be center of mind for anybody who is not worried about protecting self and image don't see it I bet we see more out of this and that's my opinion Scott what do you got right here's what I think is going on and again this is just an opinion just what I think could be wrong there you go for us to say this so I think the key word here's we they both said we they both used we when they're talking about dropping her off at school she had to define afterwards that he was her partner he did it my partner dropped her off he's pretty much doing the same thing when he would say we so there's that connective word we they're both saying that she's she looks scared she looks afraid she shows every sign of fear and terror that she's going to be in trouble too that she's holding something back she's talking the same way he's talking their stories are very similar they sound they sound the same everything looks like they've colluded everything looks like they've been talking about what happened and discussing it I in my in my opinion it's only my opinion could be wrong don't take this for a fact but I think they are together on this I think she does know about this I don't think she had anything to do with killing the child but I think she knows about it I think she well she knows about but I mean I think she knows what happened I think she knew what happened beforehand during this interview I think she knew what happened is trying to hide that that's just what I think but that's what I really do think and if you and and like I said people do this in investigation fellas ladies heads up talk to this this one a little bit more she knows a whole lot you probably already know this and you may be going dang it what's that why is he saying why is he telling her to give her a heads up sorry man so alright thanks another good and fellas and we'll see you next time