 Thank you, Oona. I want to thank you all for attending today. This is the third in a series of webinars we've done this fall on open educational resources. Our first one took a look at OERs in higher ed and some of the activities going on. Our second one last month focused on open textbooks and we actually have that up on our website. We didn't finish our entire discussion so we're hoping to set up another webinar a little later on to actually take a look at more of the concerns and past barriers to adoption of open textbooks. But today we're focused on what I think is rather unique and that is open educational resources for the area of workforce development. Oona Daly is the executive director for the community college consortium for open educational resources and she has graciously offered to do these webinars for us. And so without further ado, I'm going to turn it over to Oona to begin our discussion today. Thank you very much, Rhonda. I'm very pleased to be here at our third webinar. And I'm just going to go through a little bit of housekeeping and we'll get started. So for those of you who haven't joined us before on the collaborate system, on the left-hand side of your screen you should see an audio and video control area. If you're on the phone, you can click on the phone icon. It looks like right now nobody's on the phone but if you're on the phone you can click on the phone icon up at the top next to the audio and video text. What that does is it turns you into a speaker and your mic on your computer. So right now everything sounds perfect but if that was an issue. When you get down to the next layer you'll see a list of participants and right now I can see that we have about six participants on. So welcome to all of you and I see Glen Oak's community colleges participating as a college. So there might be a few of them. And finally the chat window appears underneath and if you are not on the phone then you probably will be chatting with us through the window. So please feel free to use that chat window for comments, questions as we go along. And I see that Patty has already posted a comment there and she said she's interested on behalf of our workforce development office. They currently use amatrol modules for machine technology and electrical instruction. Okay, wonderful. I'm glad you came today, Patty. I'll be talking more about what's happening out there with some specific case studies that hopefully will be helpful for you. So Rhonda very kindly introduced me and now I'd love to hear a little bit more about those of you who are out there today listening in. And I'm going to just go through the participants window alphabetically and ask you to either type in the chat window if you're not on a phone or microphone. And just let us know what your interests might be. So I'm going to start with Glen Oak's community college and I know there may be multiple folks there. If you can type in our chat window and let us know if there's a specific area of interest for OER or if you can speak by clicking on the talk button if you have a microphone. Looks like they're typing in the chat window. While Glen Oak's is doing that, I'm going to go next to Caleb. And Caleb, please introduce yourself if you can and let us know what your interest is in OER for workforce development. All right. Caleb is typing. Glen's community said there's three today representing the workforce development that's Pat who's faculty and Kevin and support staff Amy. Okay, wonderful. And if there's a specific area of workforce development that you're focused on, that would also be interesting for us to know. So thank you for typing that in. And all right. So Caleb is from OCC. And sorry, I wish I knew what your abbreviations were. Oakland, thank you. Oakland Community College, wonderful. And you're here for general reference. Okay, super. This is a good overview session. So I think you'll get some valuable information here. All right. And Patty already introduced yourself. And oh, okay. And they're looking for cheaper alternatives to the modules that will integrate with our LMS. All right. Wonderful. And, okay. And Glen Oak's is interested in resources for occupational programs. Okay. Wonderful. And let's see. Rhonda, I think is here as the director of the program. So Rhonda, you're welcome to jump in as well if you'd like. Otherwise, I'll ask Tricia if she would share what she's looking for around OER. We're here. The program coordinators and director of workforce development from Henry Ford Community Colleges is on the line. We are interested in additional resources for occupational programs as it references workforce, but also possibly even for our credit side of the house. Okay. Okay. Great. Well, welcome. And we are going to talk about some programs. As Rhonda mentioned, this is the third webinar. But I'm going to go over a few details about what open resources are once again. And I'll go over those pretty quickly. But I think a couple of you, I'm not sure. Maybe a show of hands. Who's been here before? Up at the top, there's, you could, under the participant's list. Yeah. Patty, I know it's been here before. Rhonda, of course, and Glen. How about Caleb and Tricia? Have you also attended one of these webinars before? For HSCC. And you have attended before? HSCC has not attended before. Okay. All right. Great. So I will go over the introductory slides, but I won't go too fast. And Caleb has been before. But, okay. It's always a good review of, kind of, I just want you to understand the difference between public domain and open educational resources and free resources out on the Internet. So there are some differences. So that's why we go through the overview each time. Now, once again, the Community College Consortium for Open Educational Resources, our mission is promoting adoption of OER to enhance teaching and learning. We're really thrilled that Michigan is now part of our consortium. Our focus is expanding access to education. And we do that through supporting faculty development, which is part of what we're doing today here. We also do face-to-face upon request. And we meet at conferences, do presentations and workshops, and collaborate with members of our consortium. That way is in addition. And although we work with four-year colleges and universities, that's obviously an important piece of our work at the Community Colleges, we remain very stead-passed to the Community College mission because we feel that we need to focus on the needs of Community Colleges, specifically. And here's our map once again. And there's our map for Michigan. And we are now at 240-plus Community Colleges, Community and Technical Colleges that participate, either as individual members or as regional consortium members, which Michigan is a regional consortium member. And we're very pleased about that. All right. So I'm going to once again do my little true and false game for those of you who've attended before where you get to choose whether the statement I make is true or false. I'm going to go through those definitions pretty quickly. I'm going to talk to you about the government role in workforce education. And I know for those of you who are in workforce education, you're probably quite aware of this role. But I'm going to identify some resources that you may or may not be aware of that might be available for you to use. And then we're going to talk about three case studies where OER is being used for workforce development. And then finally, generally, we're going to talk about adapting OER for the workforce and why openly licensed materials provides a lot of flexibility for U.S. faculty and educators. So I'm going to jump in before we jump in already. So once again, our open educational resource is the same as public domain. So is OER equal to public domain? And if you can, you can check yes or no by using the little check boxes or the hands up at the top. All right. So I had three no's and four no's. Wonderful. So you're absolutely right. Open educational resources do include those resources that are in public domain, but they also include resources that have been openly licensed and often are more up to date than some of the public domain resources which have simply their copyright expired. Next question. There is little OER for workforce development available currently. Sorry, let me clear that last one. And is that true or false? There is little OER for workforce development. Well, okay, I've got two no's. And I would tend to agree. There is actually more and more open educational resources for workforce development. And the Department of Labor has been really helping out with that over the last three years with the tax grants, which we will talk about as a case study coming up. So there is more and more OER for workforce development I think will get more interesting as we go along. It's been quite interesting in developing countries where resources, of course, where money is even more tightly constrained. And so that a lot of the projects overseas have actually, and I should say overseas in developing countries have been very interested in open educational resources. And I think we're going to see more and more of that domestically as well. And finally, corporations have no interest in OER for training. And we're talking about our private companies here. So good. We got, yeah, I'm sorry, we don't have a maybe for some of these. So Patty, you disagreed. You said corporations have no interest in OER for training. Did you want to share what your thoughts were on that? Patty's typing away here. Corporations are starting to develop some interest in OER and not in all sectors. I'm seeing some ed tech startups. Sorry, Patty, a few of the microphone you can also speak. Okay. So Patty says they probably don't know about OER. And you're right. It is corporations are less aware of OER, open educational resources. Some of the new ed tech startups are starting to look at OER as ways to train potential employees to come in to businesses prior to actually filling out an application for the company. So, and there's a couple of examples of that, one of those companies which is in California. And I think as companies see OER as a way to save money, I think we'll see more use of OER in corporate training. So thanks for playing the game with me. And as always, you guys did great. So once again, going back to our definitions. So open educational resources are teaching, learning, and research resources that reside in the public domain that have been licensed under an intellectual property, sorry, released under an intellectual property license that permits their free use or repurposing. And of course, that's a very general definition. And so more specifically, that could be an open textbook. It could be an open course. It could be videos, really any tool materials that can be used to support access. And I want to go over just briefly, again, what an open license is because this is somewhat complex on the first time you look at it. So if you can see that picture at the bottom of the screen, you see a copyright symbol on the far right. You see a creative commons, which is what we call the open license in the middle. And you see public domain on the far right. So creative commons, a creative commons license allows a copyright holder to release a version that may be reused without asking permission. So normally a copyrighted piece of work, you must receive permission in order to reuse it, copy it, distribute it, revise it. With creative commons, the license tells you as a user how you can use that material without having to ask permission. Public domain, on the other hand, is where something has been given away and the owner or the author no longer retains any rights to it. So creative commons, the author or owner still retains rights but is allowing others to share it. And there's a couple of conditions that you should be aware of with the creative commons license. If you look at the pictures here on the screen, hopefully you can see those. You'll see there's the creative commons license, which you identify or you will see in a work. The one required condition is the attribute condition on the license. And that is visualized by a little person. And what it means is you need to give credit to the original author. And then the last two conditions here, the dollar sign one and the upside down arrow are optional. And the one with the dollar sign is what we call the non-commercial one is if somebody specifies that on their license then they say you can reuse this material but you may not reuse it for sale. So you may not make a profit on it. And many folks do choose to use that condition. And there's reasons to, you know, pro and con against that. And then the last one is the share alike condition, which looks kind of like a curly upside down arrow. And what if somebody puts that condition on their creative commons license? It says you may reuse this, revise it, but you need to republish it with the exact same license as I used. And we generally recommend against that one because it's very, it's restrictive in the sense that somebody has to republish exactly with the same license that the original author used. And it makes remixing OER more complex. Okay. So there, if you want more information, I recommend you go to the creative commons.org site. They have lots of great information about how those licenses work and how you can apply them to your own materials. And of course, one of the big advantages to open educational resources, which brings many of us in education to them initially, is the cost savings. And here we have an example of an introductory statistics book, which this is out here in California. It's our MAP 10 course. And if the student has to purchase it on Amazon, the hard cover book is $142, a Kindle version is $59, the openly licensed one. And as you can see, this is the collaborative statistics. It's the red textbook on your right-hand side. It's published by the Connections OER Repository. And it has a Creative Commons buy or attribute license. It's available free online for the student to use either through the web interface or downloading a PDF. And they can order a softbound copy for $26. So big cost savings for students. In talking about OER for workforce, the first place I think to go is the government resources. Generally, these resources are in the public domain because they've been built by taxpayer dollars, and so they are available to us for free to reuse. When you go on their site, you will see that sometimes, for instance, their logos and so forth are not allowed. You cannot reuse those without permission. But generally, all of the resources, particularly the educational resources, are up there and meant to be reused by you. So I just put a couple here that I think would be of interest. And they're primarily, of course, in the STEM field, but workforce related. And specifically, I'm going to talk about the Department of Energy and the Department of Labor. And I wonder how many folks out there have used these resources before. So the Department of Energy has a site called the Energy Education and Workforce Development Area. And it's all about jobs and career planning within energy. It has lesson plans and activities, which are focused on K through 12, but of course could be adapted for a community college classroom. And I wonder, has anyone on the line used those before? Okay, thank you for the check boxes. Okay, wonderful. So it sounds like no. So I would highly recommend you take a look at those. There's some great materials as a starting point for things you could bring into the classroom for free. And they are all public domain. And the other one that I'm going to mention today is the Department of Labor. And I know that many of you have heard of the Department of Labor tax grant programs. But specifically, the Department of Labor has a site called Employment and Training Administration. And there they have a lot of best practices, career pathway information that could be used by both educators and obviously job seekers. But probably the biggest program that has come out of the Department of Labor in the last three years is the tax grant. And actually, I'm not sure if that's the biggest. The Department of Labor has amazing workforce grants. But it is, from an open perspective, it is the biggest one. How many of you have heard of the tax grants? Okay, Rhonda has. Yes, and Glenn Oaks, they have. Okay, wonderful. So for those of you who may not be familiar with them, the Department of Labor and the Department of Education collaborated together to create these training assistance adjustment community college career training grants. And starting in 2011, they gave away, through a grant program, that was focused on regional workforce development. They gave away $500 million. And they have done that for the succeeding two years. And the final year will be 2014. And at that point, they will have reached $2 billion. And it's focused on health, energy, engineering. And there's also other areas. I have not worked specifically with it. Manufacturing is another big one. I don't have the list, but every state in the union has been affected by these grants. And the very exciting piece of news about them from an open education perspective is that all of the materials that are created new as part of this grant must be licensed with creative commons attribution or what we call a CC by-license. Which means that they will be available for other colleges to reuse. So that's, yes, thank you. Rhonda mentioned automotive manufacturing. And how? Well, I'm not sure if I understand the question on how, but go ahead and give me some more information there. So now that we've looked at a couple of the government resources and talked about TAC, I'd like to ask once again, has anyone used an open educational resource either from a public domain site or such as a government site or from just a general open education repository site in their classroom? Okay, so Patty has. Wonderful, Patty. And Patty, can you share what kind of a resource it was or where you got it from? Oh, okay. So Patty, oh right, wonderful. So Patty's using MyMathLabs. Okay. So Patty, are you a math instructor then that you've been involved in MyOpenMath? Yes. And there's, in fact, the MyOpenMath labs, I think it's MyOpenMath labs. I can't remember exactly. It was developed originally in Washington State, but it's used all over the country. And of course, Washington State is a member of our consortium. And we have folks in Washington State and also in Arizona who have presented on this topic before. Okay, wonderful. Yeah, absolutely. And those are wonderful resources and very, very popular with math faculty. And those who have created them and used them are extremely enthusiastic and really love to help other math faculty who want to use them. So if you need contacts within the math, the OpenMath community, please let me know. And Rhonda asked a good question here earlier. She asked, how do we find those materials from the tax grants? So that, Rhonda, is actually an ongoing question. At the end of the grant period, all of these resources will be given to the Department of Labor. The Department of Labor needs to create a repository. And they have about nine months to do it because the first grants went out in 2011 and they will finish in 2014. And they will be releasing all of their materials at that time under an open license. And the Department of Labor says they're working on it. So sorry for that answer. Some of the projects have started to release portions of it. And I'm actually going to talk about the National STEM Consortium in a few minutes. And I'll tell you about some of the course materials they've released so far. Okay. So the case studies I'm going to go through, I'm going to talk to you about some open textbooks that have been developed at the colleges for specifically focused on workforce. I'm going to talk to you about a private foundation, Sailor, which I've talked, for those of you who've been on these before, Sailor.org does free education courses. They started out doing college courses so that a student could essentially educate themselves online for free. And over time, Sailor has branched out into some other areas. They currently work with ACE and learning counts so that students can develop portfolios based on the courses that they take at Sailor. And those portfolios can be used for credit to obtain credit at institutions that participate in portfolio assessment for credit. And finally, I'm going to talk about the National STEM Consortium, which is one of the big tact grants that was one of the wave one, as we call it, grantees. And they're a very interesting example of ten colleges in nine states that has already started to release some of their materials. All right. So starting with the smallest example here is College of the Canyons, which is in Southern California, has two faculty within their water department. That's Mike Alford and Regina Blasberg. And they have developed two open textbooks for what they call Water Works Mathematics. And as you can see, the title here is an introductory review of mathematical principles for water distribution, operators, and water treatment operators. So very focused on workforce, you know, for jobs out there in industry. And so the textbooks were developed by the faculty to address regional water certification programs in California. And, you know, if you talk with Regina, who's Regina Blasberg, one of the co-authors there, she's the department head. And she says the existing textbooks were not any good. And they really ended up finding they had to write one. And so this is all about the math behind water distribution and treatment. So they take math problems. And these are not, it's not calculus. It's definitely pre-calculus. A lot of it's algebra and that kind of thing. But it's been contextualized for water management. And it addresses the needs within California around water management. But for those in other states that obviously will have different kind of state certification programs, because it has that open license, those materials can be taken and revised to meet the needs within your region. So once again, the open textbook provides that capability to contextualize for your student population. And it may be that your student population has been away from education for a long period of time. Or there may be needs around translation. Perhaps your students are coming in with English skills that are pre-college level. And you can address that in these open educational resources. Now moving to a larger program. As I mentioned earlier, the Sailor Foundation is a private foundation. And it's all about providing education for free to advance students' lives. And they worked on the Clinton Global Initiative a couple of years ago. And their proposal was around professional development courses. They also do courses on engineering and so forth. But this specific focus was professional development. And they divided it into three areas. Workplace skills, job search, and career advancement. And their audience, when they pitched this at the Clinton Global Initiative, I think it was about two summers ago, they pitched it for at-risk youth who needed to get up to speed as they were entering the job market or attempting to. Since that time, they've broadened it a little bit. That still remains a focus. They also are looking at the adult learner, perhaps who's been away from the job market for a long time and needs to update their skills. So same set of materials work well for both audiences. So the workplace skills, they have computer skills and literacy, professional writing. So this is really basically business writing. Word processing, so there's a course on Microsoft Office 10. There's a course on how to use spreadsheets and then a course on time and stress management. So very basic workplace skills for folks who probably haven't been in the job market in a while or maybe are brand new. Job search skills, so this is helping first time, or it might be simply people who are changing careers finding new jobs. Writing that resume, how do you go out and how do you apply online for jobs? Interviewing skills and professional etiquette. So how do you present yourself when you, if you're going to a face-to-face interview? All of those kind of things in this other section. And so those are four separate courses. And finally, they started developing more advanced career courses which are focused on specific areas such as customer service or accounting, introduction to management, payroll, information management, HTML and cascading style sheets, human resources, and then crisis communication. So once again, all of these materials are available with an open license. You can take these materials and incorporate them into your own courses or you can simply point your students at them if you want to provide them as supplementary resources for your students. You can do that as well. And Sailor is looking for their next phase to develop certificates around these where they would combine those different courses into a program such as a sales program or a customer service program or public relations social media. So you could also do that kind of thing yourself. And of course, you already have programs at your college that I'm sure are focused on areas like this. And you can certainly pick and choose from Sailor for materials that you would find useful. And once again, they're at Sailor.org. So quite easy to find and very helpful folks. Now, my final case study is the National STEM Consortium. And as I mentioned, it's 10 colleges in nine states. And there is a college from Michigan, which is Macomb Community College. And I don't think we had anybody from Macomb today, but they are part of this large consortium. And once again, this was, it's focused on STEM, which is, of course, science, technology, engineering, and math. And the focus is what mid-skilled jobs in this area. And it has been funded through the TACTS grants, which is the Training Assistance Adjustment Grants. So I know quite a few of you didn't work familiar with the TACTS grants. And it really is this kind of consortium approach, not only multiple colleges, but the workforce boards are, the regional workforce boards are involved and also employers. Because the point is to get these students and these adults back to work as soon as possible. And they have five programs, certificate programs, that they're in the process of developing. And they're one-year programs with a cohort. And they've brought in a lot of learning science to help students get through the materials in a relatively short period of time. And the areas, as you can see here, are composites. So that's all the different manufacturing materials, cyber technology with a real focus on security and other aspects of the cyber world. Electrical vehicle technology, environmental technology, and then mechatronics. And I think it was Patty earlier who mentioned the amatrol. So mechatronics is machine technology, but it's a combination of different pieces. It's mechanical engineering, and it's also some chemistry and some machining all wrapped into one. And I'm going to put the website for the National STEM, because they already have a website, which is great. I'm going to be explaining what their website is. Let me see. I'll make sure I get that correctly for you. Yeah, it's nationalstem.org is their website. And you can read all about it there, about those individual areas. Now, so far, they've already started the programs last January. They'll have their students graduating, I think, this January. So they don't have any statistics yet on college placement. Yes, job placement, but we will be seeing some of that coming out this spring. But what they do have posted, in addition to, of course, what's on their website, is they have something called the STEM bridge course. And they're really quite pleased with this course. This is an overarching course to help students master basic reading and math competencies. But it has been contextualized for the STEM disciplines. And to implement this course, it was put on the open learning site at Carnegie Mellon. So Carnegie Mellon has had an open learning initiative site for about six or seven years now. It might be a little bit longer. But it has been aware of it for six or seven years. And they post open courses up there in a variety of areas. And National STEM Consortium is taking advantage of that platform, which does a lot of learning analytics. So as an instructor, if you have students taking courses up there, it allows you to view their progress on a very regular basis and help them be more successful. And so this STEM bridge course is already available. It's been up since the summer. And I highly recommend you take a look at it if you're involved in science, technology, engineering, math areas for workforce. So it's at oli.cmu.edu. I'll type that in here as well. And when you come to that page, you'll see a whole list of courses. And so you just want to scroll down to the one that says STEM bridge. And you'll be able to enter that freely. It's open access. Any questions about that? Oh, and Patty says that they are developing a mechatronics program. OK, wonderful. And Patty, remind me which college you're at. I know you told me. That's short community college. All right. Are you doing that Patty independently or as part of a consortium independently? OK. You may want to touch base in with the folks in the consortium. No problem. And I'd be happy to put you in contact with folks. I don't know if McComb is participating in the mechatronics. The college has kind of chose which areas, which are the five areas they were working on. And mechatronics is only one of those. But if you need contacts, both Rhonda and I know Jean Runyon, who is the principal investigator from Anna Rundle, which is one of those colleges. And I'm sure they'd be very happy to put you in touch with the folks who are working on that. Once again, I want to make the point that open educational resources works very well for workforce. We're often, we have people coming in to our noncredit or our workforce programs who've been away from the academic world for a long time. They're reading and math skills may not translate well. They're reading, writing and math skills may not translate well into a college environment. And so an open license allows you to modify things so that your students can be more successful. Maybe you need to adjust a reading level to use simpler words or less words and more pictures. You know, depends on your student. Maybe you need to translate some of the materials if you have a large immigrant population. Specifically, we know from learning science that people tend to work better. They tend to learn better if the problems that they're solving are related to the applied area that they're trying to learn. And so we saw that with the water mathematics coursework that I showed you earlier. All of those math problems around figuring out how to distribute and treat water are contextualized for the water industry. So the students are learning math, algebra, maybe a little bit more sophisticated, but algebra is certainly, but within the context of how they're going to apply it in their job. And finally, changing cultural context. You know, even within the country, we know that we have a lot of regional differences, certainly case studies for California water where we generally have a lack of water are going to be quite different from, say, in Michigan where you have more water. So you can change those case studies so that they reflect your student population better. And then you can share it back with the rest of the open education community. So that's kind of our little feedback loop here is find, adapt, share. And what that requires is that when you use open educational resources, you're not required, but if you're going to republish them, we suggest that you republish them with an open license so that others can find your materials, adapt them, and then share back. And that way the system is just richer and more productive. And that's really all I have for today. Once again, this is my boilerplate about the community college consortium and the different workshops and services and activities that we provide. And our final webinar for the fall is next week on Wednesday, December 11th. And it's California community colleges share it forward with the creative commons by or attribution license. And just to give you a little bit of background about this, the California Community College Chancellor's Office passed a policy in September that all materials developed under contract by grant through their office must have a creative commons license on it. Now it's just rolling out, you know, just this year, but all courses that are developed through funding with the Chancellor's Office will have to be openly licensed. And so next Wednesday, we're going to have Cable Green from the creative commons organization. He's the director there of global learning. He's going to talk to us about why that's a very positive thing. We have Barbara Olowski from the Chancellor's Office who's going to talk about why they did it and how they made the case. And for those of you who might be policy wonks, you might want to pay attention to what Barbara has to say about that. And then finally, we have Beth Smith talking. And she's our academic senate president. And she's going to talk about how they're rolling this out with faculty and how it might change faculty's role in terms of materials that they develop. And also the benefit to students of lower cost, which is the promise. All right. Well, I'm open for questions now. So I'm going to go over us. I'm going to go over here and look at the chat window. See if I missed anything. Thank you, Rhonda, for posting the STEM bridge course for everybody to take a look at. Wonderful. And Trisha asked, will your presentation be posted on MCCA's website? If so, when? So the presentation will be posted assuming this recording went well, which it looks like it's going just fine. It probably will not be available until middle of next week. But I make it available to Rhonda as soon as my folks can work on it. So I have a tech guy who works on it. But I would say middle to end of next week it will be available. We do have a collaborate version that is available earlier, but we generally like to convert these to YouTube. And those will be available at the end of next week. But Trisha, you're welcome to contact me earlier if you need an earlier version. And as soon as I get those, I put them up on the website and I email all of those folks that registered so that you can get access to them. Thanks, Rhonda. That's great. And I do want to go ahead. Just really briefly, I wanted to say that you can actually take away a copy of the slides today. And the way you do that is by using the file menu and you go to save and you go to whiteboard. And make sure when you go to save whiteboard that you save the PDF version of the whiteboard. And then you can take a copy of these slides with you today. So if you do that before you exit the collaborate system, you'll actually have the slides for today. And go ahead, Rhonda. I was going to mention that the tech grants that have been awarded so far are just pretty much all over the board. But there is a big project going on. And I think Row and Oak Community College in North Carolina or South Carolina is the lead on a big one that has to do with nursing. And they're doing a massive amount of work in the nursing field in providing a lot of material in an open format. So I'm really interested from the standpoint of Allied Health in that area of seeing what they come up with. And just for everyone's knowledge, all of the tech grant materials that are developed must be, I think I'm sure in saying this, they must be in a Creative Commons license so that the Department of Labor can put them up in a repository for anybody to use. Is that correct, Duna? That is correct. All materials that are created under it. So in some cases, some commercial materials have been used in these programs. But a great deal of them are being developed. And all that is new development is required to be Creative Commons. That's wonderful to hear about Rowley and Oak, the nursing program certainly is an area that has needed open resources. And there's a lot of, and I'm sorry I didn't mention earlier, there is a lot of Allied Health related grants that have been given. There's a big one in Missouri. California has one which is more physical therapy focused. Actually, I'm sorry, they have an LVN to RN nursing program as well. So there is going to be a lot of materials available over the next couple of years. I don't know. Do you know if Rowley and Oaks has posted anything yet? No, nothing. Not that I'm aware of. They just received that grant. Okay, so the National STEM, they received theirs in 2011 and they started posting this summer. So it's still fairly early. But I'm looking forward to seeing that. I think it's going to be good. So can I answer any other questions for folks? If questions occur to you after the fact, you have my email there. And I hope to see those of you who are available next Wednesday come in here about how California is going to implement that on a statewide basis to Creative Commons licensing. Well, and thank you Patty and thank you all for coming this morning. It was my pleasure to present. And I think at this point we'll turn off the recorder and I'll be here until 10 o'clock. Sorry, 1 p.m. your time, I think, or are you on Central? We're on Eastern, so it would be 1 p.m. But thank you, Elina, again for sharing all of this information with us. And thank you all for participating. Look for an email from the early next week or the next week with the link to the archived webinar. All right. Thanks, everyone. Bye.