 The drives of deforestation are mostly outside the forests. The drives of degradation, they are usually linked to the forest, but for deforestation, they're mostly outside the forest because mostly it's agriculture, but it's also mining infrastructure, for example. So if you want to change behavior, right, to do less impacts of agriculture on the forest, or of mining, you have to work with the agriculture people and the mining people to change that. And so basically you have to work outside the forests to actually address them. And so basically what the landscape approach suggests is to think a bit more holistic about it, right, to think a bit about what's not about the forest, but it's the interaction of forests in our land uses and other things that are happening within an area which, you know, a landscape is a good synonym of something integrated that happens on the land, that affects forests, but also other things. And so you think about it broader, you think about forests and agriculture forests and mining forests and land use, think about stakeholders, people involved to track, you know, how that plus which incentivizes carbon improvement in the forest, right, but then has also effects outside the forest, not only drives driven by things outside the forest, but also has effects outside the forest that, okay, thinking about it holistically does make a lot of sense. And that's where I think the landscape approach is the right thinking, although I think it's not very specific at this point, right? But it's the right thinking to try to capture the complexity of the issue. That's a good question. And but basically, I mean, we just did this study where we looked at how countries have taken up understanding of drivers into the planning direct plus interventions. And for the countries where they did not develop a very good link between what the drivers are and what their interventions are, they tend to focus on forest related things, forest management, plantations, afforestation, reforestation, rehabilitation, that kind of thing. The ones who take drivers on board in terms of trying to think, okay, this is the driver and based on the driver planning this intervention as merit plus activity, then you start to see that a lot of things are much happening outside the forest. And that was quite an interesting understanding of if countries do consider drivers well, in their interventions, their readiness plans and their merit plus interventions plans look quite different than from those that haven't done it. And that's a very important thing that I mean, these thinking is to start to emerge within countries. And some countries have basically perhaps a bit more catch up to do now that there's a subset decision that should, that in particular, you could encourage them to address drivers of deforestation. So that's that's an important result. And as I said, that basically means think broader than forests. And it also means monitor broader than forests. So that's the other thing. And then you think about that from a very red plus perspective, basically, you will end up in something integrated landscape kind of setting, think broader, and perhaps think more integrated, think more landscape. One of the things for the landscape scale thing, I mean, that there is a because of thinking beyond forests, thinking more holistic, think about also, you know, socioeconomic dimension, governance dimensions and all that kinds of usually that does a tendency that this all comes more complex, right? And that's also what science does sometimes or oftentimes it makes things more complex, right? On the other hand, we are now things that are supposed to work in the real world that they have a tendency that they should be simple, because otherwise they don't work. And so there will be, there can be many things what landscape and also red plus performing on the landscape scale can mean. But one of the key things is to figure out the what indicators, what things you can, what few things you can actually try to assess, you can efficiently assess to really track the most important dimensions and impact chains of red bus on the landscape scale. So landscapes, it can be everything and a lot, but there will also have to be some kind of narrowing down process if you say, okay, we want to know, well, operationally or consistently or sustainably assess the effects of red plus in an landscape context. And that's part of the research in fact that should happen now is to look so what are these things, what impact that red plus has on the landscape scale.