 All right, we'll call the meeting to order. Is there any amendments to the agenda or can we approve as written? I don't have any changes. Yes. So moved. Okay. All in favor? All right. All right. We have our first appointment here. Do you have anybody else that's standing with you or just self-detecting? No. All right, let's talk about the pool then. So in your packet, you'll see that D2 provided you with an S tonight from Rick Pettit. And that's my circle for the $500 to $600,000 for the gunite works. So as I said in my note, that Deetre can give you the history of the current fiberglass, you know, and she's talked to these guys so she can fill you in on the details. So I just gave them what you gave me. All right, so Rick Pettit has been taking care of fiberglass for years. As a matter of fact, his father put the original fiberglass on the pool in 1995 and gel coated it at that time. And then they re-gel coated it the entire pool in 2010. Last year, Rick Pettit was very ill and was not able to do any maintenance on our pool. But he's back and I don't know for how much longer he's going to be in this industry of gel coating it and doing fiberglass work. And he is the only one that he knows of in the state that does his work. So he said it's really time for us to think about what we're going to do with the fiberglass moving forward. Before this, Teresa and I had talked about gunite switching the entire pool to a gunite which is a sprayed concrete that they make nice and smooth and really nice. And that would be my dream. But the reality of gunite pool is they're very, very, very expensive. And it would take us many years to save, I think, for that. So does that also have to be salt water? No, it doesn't have to be salt water but salt water will extend the life of the gunite much better than chlorinated water will. And honestly, it's made opinion for what it's worth. In the future, chlorine is getting so expensive and we go through a lot of it. It might be worth thinking about down the road switching, converting the pool from a chlorine pool to a salt water pool. It's kind of expensive at the start up but then it's way less expensive to maintain. But anyway, that's a different subject. So this year we have to do some work on fiberglass regardless. And so in front of you, you have three different price quotes for pool work. The first would be the $4,350. Oh, let me preface this first. Rick Pettit has been taking care of this pool for years and they've never, ever, ever, ever charged more than $250 a year to fix our fiberglass. Never, because he just loves the Bethel pool. He believes in public pools and he wants us to maintain it for as long as possible. And so, I mean, he's slitting his throat by doing that but he does it out the kindness of his heart. So I made sure when he gave us this quote that he actually gave us a true quote including his labor time and he promised me he did but I'm still not sure that he really did do that. So the first one would be what we typically do which is, well, not typically. Typically all he does is come in and fix the cracks. That's it in the fiberglass. And but this year, he wants to do an entire washing of the pool because the gel coat gets really, really dingy and it really gets gross looking. And no matter how much we clean it it just doesn't shine and sparkle and look really inviting. So he said he can do the TSP and I don't remember what that means right now but it's something that he has to product. He has to put on the gel before he acid washes it to protect it. Then he'll do a really deep clean and just patch the repairs on the upper slope. So the upper slope is the zero entry. It always gets cracks in it because it's just a thin coat of fiberglass. Someone steps on that fiberglass. It's got a bubble underneath that it cracks. The second one and the third one is really where I'm leaning because forward thinking. The second one would be the cleaning. Two layers of fiberglass mat with one coat of gel just on the first 16 feet. So that whole zero entry slope of the pool be 28,000, 29,000. The third one really is the one that I think would make the most sense. If we're gonna invest 28,000 I would suggest we go to the 35 which he will do a really, really heavy duty coating of fiberglass which he will then extend. He will cut all along the shallow end between where the pool starts and the asphalt is. He will cut down about a foot and he will put a sheet of fiberglass around that whole zero entry edge and then bring it well into the pool. Then put a really heavy duty fiberglass coat over all of that for 16 feet because our theory is over the years is that the water, the slope, the pitch to the pool is not great. So it pitches, the water runs, it rains, the water runs to the edge of the pool, kids are slushing the water, the pool comes out of the pool and it hits that edge and the water goes down and then it gets under that fiberglass and it creates those great big pockets which when then a kid or an adult steps on that pocket it cracks the pocket. So he is suggesting that if he goes down a foot which he's never done at this pool, at our pool, go down really a foot and then carry that over the edge and then do a really thick coat over and then gel coat the entire pool. The gel coating will buy us and this fiberglass, this really thick fiberglass he puts on he said will buy us easily 15 years. The gel coat 12 plus years depending on how well we maintain it. Really the gel coat gets dingy because the water gets gross after about a week of non-chlorinating, it sits gross all winter, it's gross all spring, no matter how well we power wash that in the spring and how much chlorine do we put in that water during the season, after a while it just gets kind of dingy. So that is the, that's the fiberglass option. The quick on the gunite, you'll see this big price here, total cost 833,000. This guy went a little crazy, it's not what I sent him, there's only one commercial gunite guy in the area, he's in Massachusetts, not, there is a gunite guy in Sharon, Vermont, but he does not do public pools when he does little privates. I sent the guy, the dimensions of the pool last summer, late last summer, told him exactly what we wanted, same footprint, blah, blah, blah, he sends me this crazy design. I take this crazy design home to my husband and I say, as far as what our pool looks like and what he has designed, is it's still about the same, it's where footage still, same amount of materials, and Paul said he felt that it was pretty darn close. So the cost of the gunite alone is probably gonna cost $500 to $600,000 to do our pool. The big 800,000, that's this elaborate patio that he designed, it's the surface prep, it's getting rid of the pool, old pool, it's all the electrical work because once we build a new pool we gotta make sure, we'd have to be up to code with all the electrical and stuff. That does not include, to my knowledge, new plumbing around the whole outside of the pool, which we are going to need sooner than later. So that's what I have. There's only one other really quick thing that I think you should know is that both Bob Walker, excuse me, he does all the plumbing at the pool and Rick Pettit, the fiberglass guy are both in agreement that we do have leakage in the exchanges within the pool. So that means, we don't know exactly how much that's leaking, but it does mean that there's compromised plumbing around the pool, which we talked to Richard today and Tim had installed a meter there. So what we were curious was if we refiberglass the pool and all the cracks and stuff were taken care of in the pool, Richard can tell us what our loss was last year, obviously it was some of the evaporation, this and that, but he'd be able to tell once the pool was recoded, how much are we losing? And then we'd have a better idea of how much we're losing to the plumbing because we don't, now it's a combination of losing water to the plumbing or losing water to the fiberglass. But Rick did explain how even if Rick does the fiberglass, we can still dig around the pool. Obviously the contractor would have to be careful, but we could do the plumbing at a future. You know, we could do this fiberglass. Yeah, I asked him if the vibration from the equipment would hurt it and he said, absolutely not. He said the only thing that really happened to be, we'd have to be really careful about is removing the asphalt around that whole zero entry. But he said, the new concrete could be poured, concrete guy could absorb any of the irregularities with his board. So we don't have hard bass numbers on the plumbing. The last year I did talk to Bob Walker about the plumbing and he said, as you're looking at the pool, those of you who are familiar with it, the asphalt, when you come off the new pavilion, the blue painted asphalt, that's all new plumbing when they did the new pavilion. Mm-hmm. But everything beyond that blue asphalt and around the pool is all decades, decades old. And so he said that that would be where the problem is. And we know it. We see it because when we fill the pool and we have, he explained it to me, around the returns that's where we're losing. That's where we're losing some water. But we lose on average an inch a day just in beverage, an inch. And then when we have our big groups there in the summer, 50 plus kids in an afternoon, we lose a lot of water with kids coming in and out of the pool as well. So there would be some real variables in those numbers as to loss. So I had a couple of questions. So the difference between, we'll call it option two and option three. I know option three, sound like we went with that. Then we would get a 12 years on the gel coat and 15 years on the fiberglass. If we went with just option two, what kind of longevity are we getting out of the pool on that one minus the gel coat? He said he would gel coat the upper, new. The deep end would be the old gel coat. And so the new would last longer than the old. But he said generally, the gel coat will last longer than 12 years. It just starts to look really dingy after about 12 years. And it almost sounds like without you directly asking us. I get the impression that you want to do option three and that option should get the town a dozen years down the road and we need to start making a decision on if we want to a dozen years from now, it sounds like we're probably gonna have to go with a new pool. Is that kind of? Well, you don't foresee Rick being around. Right. So we kind of have to at this point, if we invest in that 12 years, then we need to start putting some money aside if we want to invest or have a pool in 12 years. And that's the thing is we don't know. I mean, this year we're gonna be able to do lessons but getting lifeguards has been very tricky. Getting young people that are certified to teach swimming lessons. And in 12 years are the taxpayers still gonna want a pool. We just don't know. Maybe they're gonna decide they want that to be a community center record. I don't really know what the, I think it would be interesting to obviously have the rec committee do an updated survey about what one of the questions to be about the future of the pool. And the second question is obviously, what do they want to be next? Because the old survey is. It might be something to bring to the voters at the next town meeting to say, let's assume that we do go for it and we do things now to make some longevity on the pool but we may want to bring it to them and say, here's a design that we need to invest. Cause right now if we just continue with the $10,000 a year appropriation, that just goes into a general fund, right? And I think at this point we kind of need to do like Skateboard Park where we designate that money towards a pool. Now who knows, 10 years from now we might all sit here with half a million dollars set aside and say, you know what? The pool thing isn't working, right? And we're gonna take the money and do something else, but at least we've saved that money. I think it might be something that we need to start thinking about. Yeah, I mean, cost is gonna become the product and the only choice that costs me decreases too. Yeah, or things can be more expensive. Yeah. I would do that. Yeah, I try to be optimistic. I would do that. But yeah. And then we'll have to, you know, we'll have more data if we did this without thinking one of you would have to dig up or better. Well, that's always the trick too, figuring out, you know, if you can't start digging really around the pool till May, we're gonna open it. You know, it's trying to get all the ducks and crows. So if I was looking at this correctly in our account, in the, what I would say the general fund for the rec cap, we have approximately like $90,000 in there. Yeah, 93, yeah. And the other 90 is for the skate park. Yeah, I added in there. So we have a total of, if I took out the 35 for the fiberglass, the bigger one, then we'd have 38,000 left. So if you added back in the 35, 425, that would be around 70,000. Oh, okay. Yeah. So this, I only cut out a portion of their recent, I keep a spreadsheet for Ellie, so. Of the... But I've taken out all the skate park money. Right. So other than the skate park, is there anything else that we are in the next year, two or three of planning over there that would be a part of that? Not that I'm aware of. No, because we have... Money that we have saved currently. No, because we've moved some of the equipment around. We have money from Vorek to do the walkways to make it more handicap accessible. We have... So I can't think of anything. I mean, we got a new vacuum, a new pump, and I'm minus any unforeseen complication. I don't... You've got your headboard, backboard, diving board. I mean, is there any... I mean, I've tried for every grant under the sun and we've got new ladders going in the deep end here and we've got brand new life-saving board. We put brand new stand and stone in the big filtration pumps last... No, you're 21, fall of 21 after the cool season closed. That'll last another at least four years, if not longer. So, I mean, we're in pretty good shape. I've tried to every year get a few things with grant money so that it's in pretty good shape. So you have a snack coming around the pool? Rob, Bob Walker does of what's under the newest asphalt closest to the pavilion. No, but the Tracy's were the ones that did the plumbing around the pool originally and I bet Rob Tracy would at least have an idea. I want to get that written down. Yes, yeah. But I mean, like Bob said, it all will need to be replaced anyway. So I mean, it's probably not salvageable. The only thing I worry about is worst case scenario, what happens to our pool if we leave it go for many other years is, you know, where is it leaking, how bad is it leaking? Is it creating a big hole under the pool somewhere? I think what we have to do is this summer is focus on getting an estimate from Bob maybe get Rob Tracy and Bob Walker together. They could figure out what's there and then we'll have an estimate to do it and hopefully we could do that next year because if we have 30,000 left and then we do more money at town meeting, hopefully I don't know what it would cost to do it. I don't think you're going to bump into May to do that. You're going to want to do that in the middle of August and as soon as you shut down. Well, I'm just saying is not this August, but next I guess is what I'm saying to save up the money by then this summer we could have an estimate as to what it would cost to dig it up and do that. So, I don't know, so anyways. Part of me wants to say if we're, while we're quote in construction, if that isn't the best time to do the plumbing do it all at once, especially if it fits within that 30,000 that we have. Yeah. I don't know what the cost would be. It just seems to me that it makes sense rather than having to dig it up later to just do it and be done with it. If we know that it's leaking, let's bite the bullet. That's part of what I'm thinking. The hard part is we don't know how much it is plumbing and how much. I don't think you have any idea. We don't. And I'm pretty sure the $30,000 won't buy the excavator. No, I know. I'm just saying we have no idea how much is leaking once we get the fiberglass itself. Once that was done, we'd have a better idea. Just because we don't know what the leak is. We'll ask the resounder and pipeline to come and see if they could scope the piping underneath to see if they could, can they line it like they do culverts? It was a pretty small pipe, but I don't think they could do that. I don't know either. We didn't know. We should have asked us and we didn't know. Did you say it's return since the model is not piping? It's fittings in places where they are. Yeah. The PVC in the ground lasts a long time. Yeah. Yeah. And Paul said it wouldn't be materials that would cost the money. It's going to be in labor or the labor for excavation stuff because he said they will have to do it very gingerly. So is the pool all set for the government or do you need some of this? No, no, I'm using this. The fiberglass issue needs to be resolved fairly quickly. Next week we're pumping the pool all week. And as soon as we get the pool pumped, then Rick Pettit will come in because he will need at least 16 days, he said, to do the 35,000 project and at least 12 days to do the choice B. And we open July 5th and if we want the kids to even put their toes in, we'd want to get water in it by no later than the third week of June or are we so miserable or can't be worth it? So the least thing we would have to do is the $4,000 fix for this year. And then either then either do the piping and the whole enchilada next spring. But do you think Rick will be around next year? I know. I know. And he's like the only one who does it and he gives us such a good deal. Can you do that at the tail end of the seat? I mean, can you? No, because we don't want to empty all the water out of it just to fill it back up again for the intro because you have to have the water in it to keep fiberglass in better shape. And that's, and see this is the problem in the design of our pool is we have to drop the water in the fall below the returns. So that needs about that 16 feet of fiberglass without any water holding it down all winter long. And so then you've got that constant fluctuation of fiberglass in the- So let me talk to all of her. The design just wasn't ideal. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a great pool, but it doesn't function the way it, it could function better. Yeah, it could function better. So it sounds like regards to what we want to do right now all we're going to be able to do right now is the first option. No, we could do it all. Oh, you could do it all. Yeah. Okay. Oh, you know what option you need me to do and I will book your pool ASAP. So, I mean, he could be in as early as the day after Memorial Day and said, if he gets the go ahead, but he would take, you know, it will take several days. So in your opinion, it makes sense to do the bigger fix and then just work with a contractor who knows what they're doing and tear to do the plumbing maybe next year. And that will have a big impact. Yeah, the plumbing at this point. Yeah. Really, I think the biggest concern really is what do we, what's our extended goal and what do we want to do with RIG with the fiberglass now while RIG is still here? Yeah, it looks to me like you already have that as part of the balance of, well, I put that in so we know what is left over with that already being in there. Yep, and that takes care of the skate park and all their money. So, yeah, so it's a complete thought. So, can I say a number? So, if the fibers are leaving, where is the water going and how is that impacting the pool? It's just going into the ground to the deep end of the pool. Which doesn't create- I mean, I don't know. I don't know if it's going out of the pool in a trickle. I don't know if it's going. I mean, I would assume it is because yes, we lose a lot of water in a day at the pool, but Rick has assured me, Bob has assured me that we lose a good inch in a day not to leakage. We're losing a good inch in a day due to just kids running in and out and evaporation. So, I would imagine that if I were to guess in my uneducated opinion that we're losing more water to that than we are to actual leaking somewhere into the ground around the end of the pool. I had an in-ground pool years ago, and yeah, between the kids coming out and the heat and everything else, it seems like every day or every other day we were throwing the hose in and we didn't have any leaks. It was just kids in and out splashing cannonballs, water everywhere. It wasn't as big as this pool, but still we were losing and we were on well water, shallow well. So, we had to be careful, but you lose water. If this is done, then we'll have real numbers because Richard, he knows what we ended at, he knows what we'll begin at, and then so we'll have a better idea. And then if we can say, okay, if we quantify how much gallon we think we're losing in that inch day, what do we really think it's doing under there? So it may not be as bad as we think, so we just don't know. And really the plumbing around the pool is a bigger, if we're going to plumb the pool, and Teresa and I talked about this at length and I talked about this with Rob and the other guys, we need to get the grass all over there too. So it's not just gonna be a plumbing, it's gonna be an excavation, get the grass out, either asphalt all around the pool or cement all around that pool. So it's gonna be a bigger project and a bigger cost than just fixing the plumbing. Yeah, because right now we mow inside the pool fence. It's kind of odd, but anyway, so those are the numbers. And- Your recommendation, number three. My recommendation is number three. We really wanna get the best thing for our luck and extend the pool longer so that we have time to really think about the future. I think, I mean, dollars and donuts here, the third one actually makes the most sense because you're actually getting more for your money that one than you are for choice two. Can we have a month? Yes, yes. And we have the ability to pay it, to spend it. So what are we talking about? 38. Why are we talking about that? Why? Because it needs to be done for our- Because you are the only ones who have authority to spend capital fund money. So you guys have to appropriate the funding, we can't do that. What do you mean, why are we talking about that? That's why, sir. Any further discussion or not to entertain a motion? I make a motion that we hire Rip Headet to do option number three at $35,425 to fix the pool where it will last a good 12 to 15 years. And I would just add to that motion or amend that motion not to exceed $35,425. And I just wanted to make it clear that there may be an occasion where we still have to do a repair and just to the fiberglass, but we always had to leave money. And that was like a couple hundred bucks. Yeah. And Richard did it last year, he did a bang-up job. Yeah, he did. Richard Manning did it last year. Yeah, so did you get a second? No, a motion on table, will we have a second? I'll second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay, I just have a good move. Thanks, Richard. So you're going to let Rick know. Yeah, I'll let everyone know. All right, thank you. Appreciate you coming over. I'm just going to call you for that. You're up. Very good. Okay, we'll give me a few minutes here tonight. As you saw probably in your package, you had some notes in there from the town meeting committee, our most in the recent past dormant town meeting committee due to COVID. We had that for a few years. And just some of you guys, some of you folks here on the board may not know the complete history of it. It was formed, I think it was around 12 years ago, pretty much as a result of trying to find solutions about meeting here. And when we help town meeting, once this building was completed, try to alleviate some of the issues with getting folks in here. And I kind of, that was our focus back then. Shortly after that, when Carl Russell was chair of the board, he approached us about becoming more of a, more involved committee for various amounts of town affairs over the course of the year, sponsoring, discussion groups, et cetera, which we did for a couple of years. And then our focus turned to the operator's manual. So I don't have any tonight, but I think you've all seen. That was a rather lengthy project, getting that together. And that was finally developed. And I picked up the manuals from the printer, March of 2020. So, and you know what happened then. So we really haven't met since then. But now that, and our focus as town meeting approached this year, took a big hit with the loss of Davis and Victoria, who were basically the heart and soul of the committee, Victoria especially. Davis had actually resigned a little bit before the manuals completed. But so we really didn't do a very good job this year for town meeting. There were some gaps in what could have made that a little better. Wasn't terrible, but still. The good thing was that there was a good push of energy from that. And we've had some interest. We have some new members. And we're also getting more inquiries about doing again what we had done back at Carl's request, of going beyond just town meeting, trying to create civic involvement throughout the whole year. Back in, I think it was 2014-ish, we had Susan Clark come and speak to us about town meeting and civic involvement. She's the author of all those in favor with Frank Bryan. This is a pretty extensive study of town meeting. The history of it and why it shouldn't fall by the wayside. But, and she also is the town moderator in the town of Middlesex. They had the only operator manual for citizens at that time and that's who gave us the blueprint for our manual. And so she came and spoke. We got that idea from her then and that's where the manual came from. So we're now looking to Rebecca's, St. Morne Stone, who worked, who is on our committee, also involved as you know, and many, many other things. Works with Susan has been working recently on creating workshops within towns that are having this question between, do we stick with town meeting? Do we not? Do we go all Australian ballot, et cetera? So we're working with her to come in the fall after the Ford Festival to have another discussion night. One invite people in, maybe it'll pop up, we'll see. And then have a couple of workshops, possibly the format is evolving. So just to, basically what I'm doing here is just letting you know what our plans are that we're back active again. Gene has spoken to me about a concern he has as far as climate change and having some discussions on that within the town workshop session along those lines to get public input about what the town maybe could do. And there's been some other ideas spoken of as well. So it looks to me like our committee is going back to that step two that we went through to try to foster discussions in town about topics. And I'm also bringing this to your attention in case you guys hear a lot more about concerns and what people are bringing to with concerns. And if there's anything that we can maybe take up along those lines, that would be great to pass along to us. We're thinking like, well, first the thought would be something like quarterly events, but there may even be a need for more than that. So we're gonna start with Susan Clark in the fall and then work into Gene's requests and others as we go. So that's new when you saw the minutes in there, you wonder where we had been. That's kind of a quick little wrap up of the history of the town meeting committee and where we're hoping to go from here. So you'll be hearing more from us. We'll be talking to you. We may, right now our formal name is the town meeting improvement committee. We may have that as maybe a subcommittee and maybe be some sort of a, change our name a little bit to be a little more involved as far as citizen involvement, encouraging citizen involvement, some sort of, we're working on that name as well. So that's really all I have. You have any questions or I'm happy to answer anything as far as where we are. They did get your letters from Lisa McCrory, Karen Bixler and Lylee to be appointed. So those did end up in the packet too. So, and I did have Kelly print out those minutes and put them in, so thank you for all of that. Okay. And as you read through the minutes, these were the draft minutes. There are a few little regularities near, Kyle Russell was not our original member but was the select board chair at that time, but those will be corrected at any next meeting. So anyway, thank you very much for your time and thank you for doing what you do here. Well, I think it's great. I'm excited you guys are gonna do that and bring someone in and do the workshops and to talk about town meeting. And it's gonna, I talked to Pam a little bit about, she was talking about town meeting and we talked about education. And I know, like I said, it's been a while but the secretary of state used to have a program to get into school so that teachers could teach kids about that. So we were gonna look into that. So I think there's some opportunity for, you know, definitely for. Yeah, it's a great time meeting. Oh, it's not. I've got some great ideas with maybe someone from Bernie Sanders here on the veterans affair kind of make you our town meeting thing but also had some other important things there that people can benefit from. Yeah, we talked about maybe like Veggie Van Gogh and then, you know, Bernie Sanders or is there any sort of other like aid that could be there present to talk to people since people are coming to town meetings to try to get more, you know, assistance out there. So I think it's great. I think we'll do great work. I know it's a little tougher now that the high schools in Royalton but it would be nice to somehow encompass, you know, the 18 year olds that will be graduating, you know, I mean, at least when I was younger, you know, that used to be kind of a big deal was, you know, when you were 18 or your senior year, you know, that the, you know, the town clerk of the town would get involved with the school and you'd have like a... Voter registration day. Voter registration day. Of course, you know, boys had your draft card. You know, there was all those different things that went on and it'd be nice to somehow, I know it's tough because they're over there now but somehow if we could maybe bring that in as one, you know, maybe through the Ford Fest, maybe we could advertise a, you know... I mean, Pam and Carmen. Voter registration. They could go into the lobby and have a sign up one day. That's what we used to do, just meet and do a sign up and people come or you could talk to if they have a high, you know, a history class or something as seniors that they have to take. That's always a good time to speak to them but that's how we talk to Pam. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. They don't have civics over there. They have global citizenship or something like that. Global, I think. So that might be, I don't know, maybe talk to them. Yeah, that's Pam. Part of our discussion was to try and talk with Kirk so I just wanted to work on the legislative end to try to bring civics back to local involvement. I mean, that's so that gets people involved in the process and the whole political process and there's no more pure democracy than town meeting. So we were talking about possibly doing something sort of a mock town meeting for the students as well as adults because there's a lot of people who have no clue. So that's, those are good points that we've talked about those as well. There's, I can say we had a list of things that we're thinking about and trying to work on but it's definitely, if we can work that into the school somehow, it'd be super. And even if we, even at the middle school level, they're getting to that point where they should understand some of the process. And I know there was years ago we had, we had some school pages that we used for the town meeting, remember that? That would go around, hand out the microphones and kind of gets them involved a little bit into the process of that meeting. They might not understand the exact topics but they get that atmosphere and that might be something that we could reach out and see if we could get some pages for the next town meeting or something like that. Be kind of neat. That's on the list of things to do. Yeah, yeah. And there's, you know, it's a little bit, I have a little trouble, a bit of trouble but there is also funding over there available to actually pay them to do that. I think that's, I think they should be taught that that's civic involvement and kind of their, what they're seeing is what citizens feel is their, what they're obligated to do is to be there and be present in their town, decisions in town and not just sit back and throw darts after the fact and become, and that was another thing that we had done in the past was we sponsored or we publicized like your budget meetings both for the select board and the school board when they were here to make sure people knew that now's the time to get involved to when the budget's being laid out rather than at town or school meeting when there's a lot of questions that are asked that should have been asked back months ago when it started and people, a lot of people aren't aware of the process. So that again is something that we'll be focusing on to get the word out again, even if it's just front porch forum or Facebook just to let people try to get that word out through social media and more. Thanks. If you want to be involved, now's the time. Perfect. So thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. Owen, do you have anybody else you're waiting on for this evening or you're doing it so well? It's the one-man truck. Great man. I'm Owen Bannon, I'm a part of the equity and inclusion committee and arts faculty. It's all in the way of putting them back in. Oh, okay. Love it. Thank you. That's what the support is. Beautiful. So as you know, we applied for and got this Equitable and Inclusive Communities grant which was through the Vermont Community Fund and the Vermont Office of Racial Equity last year. I think we were awarded in December. And that is to fund a bunch of community learning opportunities in our town. And it's really exciting. I think the VCF and the Office of Racial Equity are very excited that Bethel applied. And we are kind of the type of town that they're really wanting to bring into this statewide equity work. So part of our proposal in that grant was to start a book group in our town which we felt would kind of meet some of the needs that we heard from you all and from the community of just having more spaces where we can be in dialogue with each other, ask questions, learn from each other, not really have any specific agenda besides the actual process of just being in community with one another and talking about issues of equity. So that group is kicking off and we have our first book group happening on May 30th at 5.30. We've partnered with the Bethel Public Library and they are super excited to be doing this for the full year with us. So we are planning on actually doing the book group gathering at the library but right now we have over 20 people registered. And so I actually think that that space might not be the best for that many people because we're also providing free child care and free dinner, which is a part of kind of the model of equity of to make sure that parents can come, to make sure that folks who might not have the same access to food security can come to the gathering. We're trying to meet different needs. So we might actually look to do it here at the town hall because it is getting so big. But I wanted to formally invite all of you to come and I also, as part of the grant, we were able to buy books for everyone. We bought the books through Yankee Bookshop, which is the longest running independent bookstore in Vermont. So we wanted to support them as well. So we purchased the books through them. And so I have a copy for each of you. Whether or not you're able to attend, we wanted to make sure that you had the resources well. The books in our book series are all written by authors of color. That was a part of our application, a part of the purpose of the grant. So it's also uplifting writers of color in our communities. And the books are gonna be different genres. So some will be fiction, some will be non-fiction, some will be young adults, some will like this one be more academic. So the book that we've picked for our first reading was selected by the Equity Inclusion Committee. We wanted to kind of build momentum forward as we get closer to Juneteenth and talking about the issue of slavery in our country and in Vermont. So we did a presentation around the history of slavery in Juneteenth as a part of Bethel University hosted by our committee. This book is what we're reading and then we're hoping to just kind of build that momentum as we get closer to the event. This was written by Harvey Amani Whitfield who at the time he wrote it was a UVM professor. He's now teaching at the University of Calgary but he was at UVM in the history department. It's actually, even though it is literally a book, it's an essay, so it's only 46 pages long. It is academic, he's a historian. So, you know, be prepared, but it's facts. Bring it on later. Not necessary literature, yes. So, and the book, The Problem of Slavery in Early Vermont is really focused on the fact that slavery was happening in Vermont just like it was in all other parts of what was becoming the United States in pre-colonial and colonial times in this area. And then Vermont, which became the first state was founded in 1777. And in our constitution as founded, we were also the first state to abolish slavery, which is really significant, you know, at the time, especially in 1777, the concept of abolition wasn't really even being discussed. And so it's pretty profound that we did that. And also there's a lot of questions about why we did that and whether people knew about it and how it was enforced. And so, and the caveat, of course, is that the abolition of slavery was for adult slavery. And we know that because this last year, we actually amended our constitution to eradicate all slavery in all ages. But the interesting thing about this essay is just we abolished slavery in Vermont and then slavery persisted. So we still have incidents of people being enslaved. Some were very public. Oftentimes folks who had slaves were people that were judges and select board members and doctors, people who had wealth. And then the slavery in Vermont didn't look like the way we might think of chattel slavery in the South. It wasn't, you know, huge plantations where we have a lot of indentured workers, but instead, you know, one or two or three people, many who lived in the house, maybe took care of children, maybe helped on a small farm, but still these folks were enslaved. And so the question is really, how did that happen? How do we abolish slavery? And yet we still had slavery. And so it's really interesting question about enforcement and about whether, you know, laws change society or society change laws or both. The book also has a lot of, what do they call it? Original primary source material, I think is what they call it in the historical world. So you actually have cases where folks are suing for their freedom. You have deeds, bill of sales for human beings that are all from the Vermont Historical Society, which is who published this book. So it's really exciting. We'll talk about it, we'll learn. Again, there's no specific agenda. It's really just like the process of being together and talking about this and learning together is really what our committee is all about. So that's everything I have. Really excited to see some of you all there. And do you have any questions for me? Have you picked out the other folks yet? Well, I'm glad Leonard is here. We have one book for sure picked out, which is our last in the quarter. So that'll be in January or February, I think is the winter quarter. We will be reading Leonard's third book, which is not yet been published. It'll be coming out in the fall. We have tentatively, we've talked about reading Octavia Butler as the parable of the Sauer for our next reading. Part of that is because it's LGBT Pride season and Octavia Butler was a black lesbian author who did science fiction. And so this is a science fiction novel, but it's kind of like a dystopian take on what the future could look like. It was written in the 90s and it takes place. The story starts in 2024. So it's like now, but written then. And then for our third quarter, we don't have a book yet, but we want that book to be written by an indigenous author. So there's some ideas out there about what it would be. All those? Thanks, that was curious. So when did you start publishing? I mean, are you giving people normally like 60 days to read the book or how are you just curious? This one, it took us a while to figure out like the systems, how are we going to distribute the books? How are we going to create a registration form? Partnering with the library felt like a key component. So this didn't actually go live until the beginning of May. But it's also easier because it's like a 15-page book. So it's different. So if you have a bigger book, you'll have more time in. Oh, that makes sense. Oh good. So really now that you have some picked out, it'll just be easier to roll them out and then that makes sense. I was just curious, because I saw it and I was like, I hope this book isn't really thick like you don't have time to read it. So I was just curious. My hope is the equity committee meets next Tuesday. The book group is the one after. So I'm hoping that we will have confirmed that Octavia Butler. Then you can order it. So then we'll start building this kind of core group of folks but continue to announce it. We do, in the grant, we have money for advertising. So you'll see an ad in the Herald. The Bethel Public Library also has a regular announcement section in the Herald. So they've announced it as well and are tapping into their resources. But it's super cool because the books are free, free food, free childcare. We've already heard from several parents like, oh, I wouldn't have been able to come if you hadn't provided childcare. So that's super cool. If you don't think you're able to do at the library, you should reach out to Kelly pretty soon to see if this building is available. She's the keeper of the calendar. So just to make sure, even if you want to reserve it just in case, you could, I don't know, I'm not sure if I have my head if anybody's here. Yeah, okay, cool. And yeah, keep spreading the word. I've already ordered more copies of the book. I had ordered 30 and we're out. Wow, yeah. The ones that are at the time. Office, okay, all right. I'll keep one for Lindley. Okay, thanks y'all. Thank you. And does the grant, does it cover all four quarters of the readings? And will you have any monies available after that? Or how, how, how is your group looking at going forward? I guess, are you looking to unraise or looking for money from the town or more grants or what are we thinking in the future? We are looking for more grants in the future to continue this book club. And I think it's one of those grants where once you apply for it, a bunch of other funding opportunities open up just within VCF alone. So once we do our first grant report, I think we'll start actually having some data to show this, how many people attended the presentations we did at Bethel U. These are how many folks are coming to, it's also funding to meetups for young people. One is the BIPOC youth group and one is the Trans and Non-Binary Youth Group. So that those are happening. The trans one is happening weekly at the Arnold block. So we're gonna have some actual data to show like who's tapping into these programs. And I think that'll help us apply for more funding. And you also have a schedule with the 10,000 that they got and things that they were gonna accomplish that there was kind of a layout and we'll have a budget and money. But I think you're right. I think there's like a small and inspiring and I do think once you do it, I think the state, I think you will be able to find more grant money for sure. The goal is to not have to tap into any town money, but to bring money to that. Yeah, sweet. All right. Any further discussion? And you were grabbing a copy for Linley. Yeah, I got one laser right here. Gotcha. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thanks so much. Thanks for coming. And we will open it up to public comment. So if there's anything that isn't currently on the agenda, we'll do comment. I'll take the, there's two individuals in person. So we can do in-person first and then second on Zoom. Who's first? You can go first. You can go, Sally, if you want. Just make sure, well, two things. If you haven't done so already, just make sure you sign in or out on your way out. So we have you for the minutes. And then just, I mean, a lot of us know who everybody is, but just make sure that when you do your public comment to say who you are, and you can't say where you live, like your address or something, if that makes it helpful for people to know. But same with the individuals online. Okay. So at long last I am here, I am Sally Ornes, and I came to Beppo in 2005, born and raised in rural central Wisconsin. And here I am. So my partner, Derek Underwood, found our apartment at 32 Abon Drive, across from Central Market. And we lived as tenants for 10 years. And then Derek bought the historic structure in the end of 2015. The entire time I've lived here, I've been only a pedestrian. I am a licensed driver, but I am a pedestrian. So walking up and down Abon Drive gave me years of opportunity to notice all the details of the roadbed. So I'm here to speak about the roadbed, which is in our eyes, Derek and myself have evaluated the results of the water project that was done a couple of years back. And it's our belief that the roadbed has changed to a degree that has forced me to come and make a public announcement here this evening. So without spending hours of speaking about our belief and the details involved, there is one specific picture available for scrutiny, as we've done with that and many other pictures. And so the picture that is available with Chris is historically significant because it shows a major difference to the original roadbed from what it is today. And we have brought to the attention of people here in town about possibly taking that old survey that came to light some years back in 1876, and it talks about laying out a roadbed of 20 feet, 10 feet either side of the center of the road. So center of the road in 1876 should be the same center of the road today. But in looking at that picture, it's pretty obvious that there probably are some changes that somehow happened over the years when we bought the place. The first thing that I was alerted to as a now owner of the historic property, the one corner of the house on the north side as you come around, you're very close to the building and one of the pillars. And I just didn't think that that was the way it was originally laid out. Back in those days, everything was pretty expansive if you had a structure like that. So I had spoken to a couple of individuals and nobody was really giving me too much feedback. And it's kind of happened today that with the road work that was done, we've encroached even more. So I'm kind of forced to come out with what I have to look at and live with in my immediate life. So we've had a couple of incidents with very large equipment coming off the roadbed right at that corner. I have seen people go off the roadbed and I've seen the results of it. So even though the roadbed, excuse me, has been widened and we lost property, the entire 250 feet or so that abuts our property, we've just seen a continuous disregard and vehicles leaving the roadbed. So there's all of that. And then of course, there's the issue of the stone wall. It's been there since the 1800s and it's compromised again by soil that was involved and taken away with snow piling this year and widening up the road and all these different things. So, yeah. I know you had told Terese and I when we visited when the other area was still open. When did you guys purchase the property? Derek signed the papers around December 1st, 2015. Oh, 2015. And by the end of January, 2016, we had a surveyor hired and I don't know if you completed it by the end of January, but almost immediately we had it surveyed and since then we've been dealing with some horrendous but I'm here tonight with the idea of... And again, it was interesting to listen to him educate with the idea of educating people with town meeting because again, I'm from Estanson and while Terese has been great as an ear listening to me, it was probably inappropriate. And so whatever the court is starting from tonight, I invite anybody to contact me and I'll walk you through what the two of you heard me say. Any discussion or whatever is the follow-up by this evening, I'm open to working with you, Derek. I thought might walk and he works beyond the time that he could be here. And I did tell Derek and I'm gonna make the announcement that well, I don't believe that there are any of the things that I'm concerned about that we would be held responsible as far as financing. I'll kickstart the idea with $1,000 of my own money because it's that important to us. To have consideration and then something to be done. Okay, all right. Sounds good. All right, thank you. I'm going to give you guys that picture round. I don't get the envelope. I didn't get it all the time. Oh, okay. Yeah. And there's four. There's five copies in effect. Of course. I left them with Kelly because I didn't want them here all the time. Okay. So contact Terese. You have my phone number. Again, I'm just not sure how it's going to proceed for me. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Sally. Okay. Two questions. Oh, so Jean has a place. Absolutely. The first is you had a survey. Yes. My question is. To what extent that survey matched or was it even possible to match the 1885 survey. Okay. I said survey. That was our land property. Okay. And the surveyor that we hired did not specifically to our knowledge. Survey. The road edge, the abutment of the road bed. He just sort of took it as what was there now. And so again, the importance of. If you're going to change the road bed, I think it would be appropriate to start with a re survey. To find out if we're following the original center of the road. And, and second. Yes. You're really asking. That the, that there be more distance between your home. And the road. Not the entire 250. Plus or minus feet. Mostly concerning is. The corner. As you come around the north side of the house. From there. Across the property. Of the neighbor directly across. That. Is where we've lost most of the land from. What was originally laid out. Having said that. The road work that was done. In conjunction with the water project, which we were not aware was going to be a part of. The water project, which should have just ran down the center of the road. We lost. A foot and a half. The entire length of our side of the road. And in addition to that, as I say, okay, so now there's a new. Edge of the road. And we've got another foot that's. Traveled and. We've lost that. You know, the plant or the growth of the grass is gone because. Cars. Road up or drove off the road as well as the snow. Which. Is part of living in Vermont. However. 250 feet. I mean, the whole thing is. That's helpful. Thank you. That's what I wanted to know. Yeah. Thanks for coming tonight, Sally. Yeah. Let me know. Yep. All right. Any other public comment. Yeah. So I'm going to go. Christian. Okay. As for what's really. Recently. One of them be posting. Speed limit signs. On Christian Hill. We happen to live on both sides of Christian. The road goes right through our property. And. And we have people traveling through at 50. 60. Maybe 70. I mean. Frank. And. I have three little girls. We have. The cows. The bar. It's. Extremely. And. We have people traveling through at 50, 60. Maybe 70. I mean. Frank. And. I have three little girls. We have the cows. The bar. It's extremely unsafe. And. Now there is posting the new signs being 35 is going to allow. If everyone thinks it's 25 now. Putting up a couple of signs that now say, well. Now it's 10, 10 miles faster. What are we going to get out of that? The Morgan did order those signs and the children and play. Right. That same day that he spoke and I could tell you that we had. The. The. The. The ordinance come in and we talked about it because the ordinance. Is we have to change, you know, have to change the ordinance. However. It's not as simple as you would think the select board. Can only change the speed limit after we do. We'd have to work with two rivers and we would do a speed study. I'm going to say something to you. That's crazy. And I know it's crazy, but it's the law is we say we do a speed study. We're going to set it at 25. But we have to do a speed study. And otherwise, you know, it's all part of enforcement. It can't be enforced. Properly. But we have. Spoken to people, you know, the powers that be above. Or about advocacy. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, those are the powers that be above or about advocating for this because it's ridiculous. It would seem as though if people were speeding, we should lower the speed limit. But I did get, I think I mentioned that to you. I don't know if I'm told you or not, but I just got the speed dolly. Yeah. So I have to program it this week. And then, you know, put that out as well. So I'm not saying we can't do a speed study. We certainly can, But you know, people are traveling the speed limit or what we all thought was the speed limit. Yeah. And I think, yeah. But it's probably 10% and the biggest concern is if Oscar comes up that he can't really write some ticket if the speed limit isn't posted correctly. Well, yeah. I mean, isn't it supposed at 35 now? I mean, that's not right. But anyways, it's so it'll be posted 35, but Oscar can still write a ticket because he knows what the ordinance says. And I did email him and Justin Frank, the other ones, and asked for some targeted enforcement and talked about a specific location that needed to be looked into for our discussion as well. So is there like a certain time of day or day of the week that seems like speeds more prevalent, though, because the only reason I say that is being that we have kind of limited resources with the constable, I take the waste of the constable's time or not get that targeted enforcement. Like if you said mostly like late afternoon, early evening, maybe people are coming home or something, they're zipping through there, and then we can see if we can target that time. Exactly. Nobody that lives on Christmas, I mean, I know almost everybody and it's it's not our residents. It's it's people coming through, but it's it's also kids. We have a lot of kids that come through and they're up there. Doing things they shouldn't need. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a pull off right after the house, too, that I've now dropped logs there because that was being used as a spot for things that shouldn't be going on. Yeah. And you have Oscar's number, right? You said you had Oscar's come up to visit and talk about a different issue. And while he was just sitting there visiting, I mean, the first time I come in through pulled him over and I don't believe that was a resident. So I thought I got it right. So the first part is, even though we may not have the right signs, he still can enforce because he would enforce it at thirty five because he knows what the ordinance but we're in the process of making sure that the signage is correct. Morgan ordered some after Justin came in, Morgan got the catalog, came back and had Kelly order sign as well as children play sign. And Justin does do something very smart, which is he puts cones in the road when his children are like riding bikes and things like that, which I think is a really smart move. So when when are we thinking that the Constables will have some time to do some target? I have no idea. I sent an email and just asked them to do some targeted enforcement. And I knew Oscar knew Justin and because I'm just wondering like if we I mean, we meet every two weeks, so depending on when we catch this thing and go forward, like what it makes, you know, if we're able to do some targeted enforcement over the next week, like maybe we could get a follow up from you don't have to necessarily come to the meeting, but you could you could follow up with trees and say, Hey, I've seen better or worse or saying they coming through 35 or 60, 70. Even the same on the brakes, there there's no hope for anybody in red. You know, I mean, it's we're very active at the property. I've been there for now six years, bought it a year and a half ago. But, you know, having a four wheeler or just crossing the road with a tractor. I mean, I'm afraid this something serious is really going to happen. Yeah, which is brought me here and in the town. Sure. Yeah. Another thing I could think of is not sure what the. Road would look like is. Installing what, you know, we I just bought two more solar line, sun, solar flashing speed signs for the downtown and they're not cheap. But the problem with those is sometimes they're not a deterrent. Sometimes people just want to see how fast they can go. It's really sometimes it's frustrating, but certainly we talked about it, getting the dolly going and then maybe putting it, you know, near your place. Because you guys are back and forth around to keep an eye on it. But but I did speak to us, but I'll get a hold of Oscar, because I emailed him and Justin Kram is the other constable and said, you know, we need to do some targeting enforcement. So let me find out when he's going to be around and see, you know, what about, you know, what does he have for ideas of other things that we could do? Yeah, and towards the evening, I think there's a lot, a lot of it. But, you know, that's when I'm there. I think it's the same as there and she sees a lot too. And, you know, we speak to people. The other thing I will tell you is if you get a plate number, like if you can say it's either a car and a plate number or truck and a plate number, if you can give that to Oscar, he will write them a ticket on your say so means that if they don't pay it, you may have to go to court to say that they were speeding. But I've done that before and yeah, it's just incredibly. I mean, I was laying in bed last night and I, you know, you can tell I can hear. I mean, it's gone. It's crazy. And it's scary. Yeah. So I'll talk to Oscar. And but yeah, if you buy any chance, if you your wife ever see a, you know, if you can get a plate number, then he can issue a ticket. And if the person fights it, you just have to go to court. You don't have any problem standing up there and saying he were doing this. But that's yeah. And maybe when I'm being there, even if it was occasionally once a week or just for half an hour or an hour, it's enough for some of you to be like, well, I'm not going to. I mean, what? After double the speed limit, that's arrestable. So yeah. So let me get it. And unfortunately, that's a majority of the speeding issues that we do see in town are not necessarily in the villager. You'd be surprised at how fast some of the people go on the villager. Yeah. But I mean, when you get to, when people get to the dirt roads, they just assume that, yeah, it's open country, right? Correct. Yeah. All Massachusetts. Yeah. So it's. Yeah. So why don't we just figure out a time, work with the constables to find out a time that we can do some targeting controls and then maybe give us some feedback on how that's going. Are you OK with them sitting in your driveway? Yeah. OK. I just got some, you know, I used to know that someone was talking like right pulling in the barn. Yeah. There's another that has the trees covering and pulled through that goes out to the field. OK. There's a ton of grays. All right. Well, what I'll do is my email and re-judge them as far as Oscar and Justin. Let them know that, hey, you know, if you swing in and someone's home, they'll tell you, you know, places are. But you're right. Maybe if we just target it and if I can get one of them there, I'm going to be the same thing at this house. And it's, yeah, no, they have same sentence. So we don't want to. OK. I mean, that's less important, but the kids absolutely. No, we'll definitely make that a top priority on for the constables, the target, get a hold of him. And tonight I go down. I pulled out right on my ass. So he was going a lot more than 35 when he came up that hill, because I could see down 700 feet. He wasn't there. Oh, I know I when we had the spring flooding in 2019, I was doing some work on the hill stretch from Sanders Road, you know, going up. And there was a lady that I mean, we were down to, you know, my truck, you can see quite a ways on that hill. My truck was sitting there with the light on and she went by in this like sports car doing had been 60, like just didn't even bump the brakes like just right by me. Like I was like, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I was flying. All right. And so I'll get a hold of a truck, Oscar, down tomorrow. So it takes me a day or so to get hold of him because he works full time for the Royalton PTA, as you know. We do that. And then I'm going to get the Dolly program, too. So we'll put that on. We're going to start with a downtown, but we'll start with it on Christmas. And in this case, can Oscar or Justin, when they do some patrols, targeting patrols up there, they can they send us the activity reports up there? I don't know. Yeah, I think so. I can ask. We'll ask. Yeah, he's tracking. Yeah, the whole the whole speed study stuff is weird. I mean, it is completely the opposite of what you think it would be. Because of the large couple of years ago, we I was just going to bring a couple of years ago, we were we were thinking about lowering the speed limit in the village to 20. So we had them come in and professionally, you know, do your speed to the speed study. And they found that a majority of the people going through the village was exactly what we thought they were doing 30 miles per hour. Right. So you would think that's OK, you can raise it. But then they're like, no, that means that, you know, that's the flow of the traffic. We're like, let's make any sense. So it's yeah, it makes no sense at all. So you would think the select board would have the power to change it. But like I said, it's one of those very logical things. The other thing you know, you can do is you can write. We still have to do the speed study. So what you can do, however, and I would encourage you to do is to send Kirk White and McCormack, you know, send an email. Kirk is always really good about getting back to people and just saying, you know, what, you know, what can you do here about that? Because it needs to be a legislative change. And I have been complaining about this for easily 10 years. Not too much. And it's always gravel. Oh, yeah. And in some of those corners, the road is barely big enough for both vehicles. And everyone grabs the middle of it. And yeah, and 35, it's. I've always find that interesting on the dirt roads. Whenever I'm driving on the dirt roads, I always look to see how fast I'm going. And I'm usually like 25 to 30. And then you look at the speed limit. You're like, I don't even know how I could even get up to that speed. You know, it doesn't make any sense a lot of times with with the hidden corners. And yeah, and I'll also reach out to Rita at Two Rivers just to see if she has any ideas and thinks she's seen in other towns. Two Rivers, you know, works with 20, 30 towns. How many towns Two Rivers have? Can't remember how many something I think when it's out to Rita, too, and see if she has any ideas and, you know, maybe something she's seen that works somewhere else. And, you know, we can also look at the standards to see what else we can do for signage. The problem is people get reduced by rock. They just don't see the signage anymore. There's so many people that are just GPS that they don't even register the signs. We should probably sign your street. Yeah, I mean, you're right. But I think the presence up there. I think it's a heavily used up here in the city. Yeah, because I'm like, well, who's this person? And at a certain point of going down Christian Hill, so there's no reason to go down Christian Hill unless you're right living here. Exactly. So at that point, there's a lot of drinking and drugs. I think so, yeah. Well, it sounds like maybe evening or later part of the day. Yeah, and the good thing is Justin's talk to us. So, but I'll also reach out to Rita and see maybe she's seen something that really works and other towns have tried that I just that I don't know. So let's just we'll look at it and see what we can do. I'll just right here that you'll, Teresa, you'll follow up with the word at the next. Yeah, and we'll see what we can't do. But yes, again, if you get a plate number, let me know or Oscar. And I know they're probably going too fast. But if you happen to, you know, then he he'll write a ticket on your say so. Sounds good. Thank you for being like that. Thanks, Justin. I appreciate your patience. So he did order the signs, especially the children at play sign, or whatever the wording was specifically. So all right. And then so, yeah, maybe we'll install that dolly up there. You'll be the first to see how it works. Make sure they don't steal it on us. Yeah, well, no, we'll chain it. When when the Bethel for all was doing the walks one time, one of us had a speed gun when we were down by the school. And so it's amazing if we pointed that in a car to see how quickly they slowed down. It's true. A blow dryer works to blow dry. A blow dryer. Courtois, where did she get them? Do you remember? I have no idea. We actually, we still have one of them at the Arnold block. A. R. P. Left it. And we tried to give it back so many times. I don't think it currently works. It may just be a dead battery, but can't hurt to just stand outside holding it. Can you drop it off at the town office? Yeah, sure. Awesome. I'll get it back in town next week so I can do it next week. OK, perfect. I'll get it to you. Well, you know, yeah. So should we still have them picking around? Why not? But yeah, anyway, so we'll do everything we can. We'll talk to Oscar. I can I'll talk to Rita at your signs. We'll try that and see what we can do. And but I do think the cones are a really good idea. We say that there's a lot of bodies in the book. Yeah, make it. I feel like at this point, it's pretty well known that and there are, you know, there's a lot of people that we have talked to. And they said I don't have people to apologize about it. There's still a couple that I try to catch up with to have a conversation. And they were going fast and I couldn't catch up. Yeah, yeah. So all right. So we will try to work on it. I'll try to look out of here from a couple of different angles and see what we can do. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming in. And we appreciate it. Have a good evening to talk to Rita and see what she knows. Hey, any further public comment? Oh, and do you have anything else before I go to the zoom zoom? Just North Main Street is also bad. Yeah, I think you know that. But now I live on. Yeah, you're actually getting a new flashing light just there on order. They should be hopefully they're in this week. So when it's going up there by the time I know, especially by a flashing speed sign like it is by Mascoma, there's one going up here. And then there's going to be another one placed headed towards the school on Dennis Wood, you know, Valley Motorside where these two ones. Yeah, I was just I would just tell Oscar and Justin turn loose and write tickets until they're out of head. I sent them emails. So I sent notice to people that were out there, people over. So I don't know if Lenny, it's usually, you know, I get home from the bar after cleaning and stuff around 1 30 between 1 30 and 2 30 in the morning. And that's when we have people driving on. Sure. So fast between the hours of two and four in the morning. It's like, you know, like they're going 60 from it's usually people going north, not people coming south and they're just going down Main Street that fast because nobody's they know. Nobody's on duty by Richard Manning's and the same thing. He was at the River Street pump station like 1 30 in the morning because he had an alarm and he's like and he was telling me by my house. So they were going he's like 1 30 and he said there's a lot of traffic out at once in the park. So but no, so you are getting a sign so that we'll, you know, just like it does by the bank, the drive through at Delina Flash when people just show them their speed. So yeah, it was a Thursday afternoon. Royalton PD was parked across from Valley Motors in that empty lot. And I was at S and S auto. It wasn't Oscar somebody else. Oh, good. I turned around. He's got some out of Stater and I'm talking with a friend of mine. I turned around that car's gone. He's got I mean, within 10 minutes, he had three people. So there's a lot of speed on Pleasant Street. Yes, absolutely. I can hear him coming, you know, half mile away before they get to my house. Go around that corner at, I don't know. I mean, Paul testified that they go around the corner at 60 plus. So I want to thank the road crew for grading under the bridge, the railroad bridge by my house. Oh, good. But I will tell you that now that it's graded, people will drive fast. That's like that's the way it goes. You shouldn't have complained about much here, right? They were going slow at mud season. It's hard to come to this one. Or Paul, have any, right? Yes, I know. You need like a pace card. Anybody else in the bridge? Anything, Paul or Lenny, do you guys have anything in the on the zoom call? You guys, it looks like they're good. OK. Yeah, we're good. I'm good. All right. Thank you. I'm good. OK. So we have let's see, three appointments for the town meeting committee. So Lisa, Karen and Lyle. So unless anybody has any anything else on that, I just need a motion to appoint those three to the town meeting committee. So move. Second. OK, all in favor. All right. Lyle knows that this is a. For a life commitment one way and way out. I was going to say, I'm surprised you guys didn't bet that final one. All right. And set the public hearing date for the zoning bylaw amendments. To June 12th, 2023 at some spot. I talked to, um, uh, Kevin Geiger at Two Rivers just to make sure that any legislation that had passed like now is the time we just did all this work. So if there was any legislation that passed, I wanted to make the changes while you guys had it. And he said that there was nothing. He felt that we were out of the six things that he had that they did. He felt we were good on. Five of the six, but the sixth one that law hadn't passed yet. So he was kind of waiting. And it seemed like he thought it was didn't make sense that law. He was hoping it got changed before they passed it. But so I'm not sure if I'll have any changes. But as I just wanted to be sure, because if, you know, there was talk about saying that someone had to build a duplex and you couldn't build a single family home if you're on water. So I wanted to make sure our zoning bylaws were after all the work we've done, I did not want them to pass and then be changed. Oh, I was going to be ugly. So that's the way it works all the time. I know, but I was like, just as soon as you do a month later, they're going to change it anyway. I know. So I was like, no way, man. I'm being proactive. So Kevin felt we were good. And at that point, he was going to let me know. So hopefully, but yeah, so you have a there's a warning notice and how long it has to be in the paper and this and that. So that's how we came up with June 12. June 12. OK. And the planning commission will be here. Some of the members to help if you have any questions. Any further discussion on that or just need a motion to. Approve the public hearing date for the zoning by law amendments to June 12th, two thousand twenty three at six o'clock. Don't move. But. OK, all in favor. All right. All right. And last just kind of following up last time we talked about the Vermont criminal justice training council and in partial policy policing. They're in a personal policy. It's about. And we had. We had all looked at that last time and. Oscar looked at it and then I added you wanted those references back in that I took out. So I put them back in and didn't want to change anything. Just some wording. But Jen talked to Oscar. He was fine with it. And like I said, it comes out of the criminal justice training council. So the next one you have to do is like body cameras. I think we have three more to do. And I didn't have. Well, one of the cameras, one of them is. Successful force. What they know. And they're all kind of given to you by state law anyways. But I didn't have a chance to finish reviewing the one that I had started work on. So we'll hopefully next. Well, maybe not next time. I'm not sure it'll be the next meeting or earlier. The first one in June. We'll get to that. We have any further discussion on that or any amendments? Well, the last two weeks or three weeks. Right. Yeah, no, we're doing everything. Yeah, if not to state a motion to adopt. We'll move. Second. OK, all in favor. All right, all right. All right. Yeah, the charging station needs in Vermont and downtown improvement plans. So we get this email, the poll had poured it to me. And then I put it out on front porch form too, because obviously they're looking for businesses and other locations. So it made me think about it as far as obviously better connections and talk about new charging stations. So I talked to Rita about it the other day and I got a copy for Sergeant gave me a copy of the plan, gave me two copies. So I think this is going to be a winter project for us is we need to go through the better connections plan, the recommendations that were made for the downtown and decide what we actually want to do. It seems pretty clear that the majority of select word does not want to build the second section of parking because it's so leggy. And so we have to narrow down what we're going to do. Obviously to do anything, you're pretty much going to have to eliminate parking on one side of Main Street just to deal with traffic and updating sidewalks. So the interesting thing is that Rita told me is the bike ped grant program usually has about $3 million total to fund all their projects. Last year, I think it was last year, Royalton was given a million dollars because they really hit all the criteria. And I think that Bethel could do that as well. We've been through the Bethel for all process. So I really feel like that could open up maybe a bigger picture funding for us. So what we need to do is scope the project because I can write the Transportation Alternatives grant. They're usually doing June, so not this year, but maybe next year because I don't haven't received confirmation yet from Jesse Devlin at the state, but it could be about eight years until the state paves Main Street. So that means we have about eight years to get our project done. The Transportation Alternative grants are usually three to five years and they could go longer. And we also, my guess is to do this, we would end up needing to get more than one source of funding. So it's going to be a package to put together. But the first thing we need to do is go through all the great information that Du Bois and King gave us and figure out what does the select board really want to do here? What parts of it do you want to do? And then we can work towards, once we get that, then we'll have a scope of project. We'll be able to get pricing and go through. But it's not, it's going to take us a few meetings to figure out the scope of work. And then apply for the Transportation Alternatives grant. And then, like I said, and I guarantee you, I'm going to have to try to find money somewhere else to fund it. But if we know we have about eight years, then we have a little bit of time to figure it out because obviously it doesn't make sense to, you know, repave and then do the sidewalk. So we need to get it done before the state comes through. So I haven't received the confirmation yet from Jesse Dublin. I reached out to Joel, he's at Jesse. So it would be nice to figure out, you know, exactly what the select board wants to do. So I think it's a, the EV charging station is, to me it's, that's going to be part of it, is part of this bigger project and part of the Transportation Alternatives is where are we going to put them? The other thing is we know we need to redo the municipal parking lot. So if that's where you chose to put in a, you know, a charging station, what kind? There's different kinds. And, you know, where do you want to put it? And that sort of thing too, because obviously we need to redo this. There's some stormwater that needs to happen. So that would be a stormwater grant. That was one of the projects that Du Bois and King scoped for us in that portion of Bethel for All, that was for stormwater. So we know we're going to do, redo this, you know, tear up some of this parking lot to install, underdrain and possibly we install the proper stuff for a, you know, charging station. But it could be all part of the package. So to me, it doesn't make sense to put a charging station in now when we don't have the infrastructure. And if GMP gets this 19 million, we may be able to partner with them. Maybe some of that 19 million can go towards the, you know, some of the power underground or how are we going to get this charging station to work? So it's going to be a few pieces and I would assume at least two or three pots of money. But together. Enjoy, listen to a dream. No, it's no dream. This is a reality, dude. We got it, but we have to decide but the scope of the project will, you know, that part, it's not a dream, but right. To get four or five people to, you know, I know one of the pot, I think I know when we. Yeah, I mean, I've done it before. I've done downtown projects and we've had multiple funding sources and it's unfair funding sources because this funnel paper, this and this one won't, but it can work. But I think with GM, you know, like I said, if GMP gets the 19 million and Chris and I were denied by Peter Welch for our money for Campbrook, but maybe they would be willing to do a congressional earmark for a downtown, you know, you never know. I know through our exercise that we did three, three to four years ago and because the energy committee was looking at putting a charging station in. Yeah, I know the things that came out of that was the only charging station that we sort of could afford was the level one, two pieces because the grant was pretty, was within like $1,000 of the total cost. Obviously after that, then you take on ownership of that. But we had established at the end, we pulled the plug on it because at that point, we didn't feel that a level one or two charger would meet the needs of a person in town because you got to plug it in for six or eight hours to get your charge and we'll call it at the time, the level three super chargers were, I'm probably gonna completely get this wrong, but they were like $20,000, right? And the grant would only cover like four or five. So we were gonna have to make a significant investment. Plus at that time, there was the plans for the interstate parking ride. So there was talking about all these charging, we didn't know level one, two, three, what they were gonna be. That's a joke. Yeah, so. I've never seen anybody plugged in them. So at least the only things I just, because I don't know how many were on the board before and I know Paul was, but he's off now. But the, is what came out of that anyways, was that we determined that a level one or two didn't really, it was just gonna be a waste of money. It was gonna be a, we're gonna invest in it, take ownership and it was gonna sit there not being used, right? So we were gonna do it there. So I think if we're gonna do it. And how they were gonna pick it. Yeah, so the level three super charger is kind of the way to go. But then we also started to talk about tailing to that about partnering with a small business like Champlain Farms or McCullough's that would have a proper McCullough facility. And then we didn't have to take up municipal parking that is so dear to us. Yeah. So that's kind of where we left off of that. And I know you came in right on the tailing into that. Part of that was the discussion was we didn't know how were people gonna pay for it? Why would the town pay for it? And then it was the warranty was like, what happens when it breaks? Who's, you know, what was the whole responsibility of it? But this thing that we did put in the packet, Dave, does like McCullough's could partner with the state if they want to put in a charging station. Right, but there's some information that I would earn there that I was a business. You got, what's that place in Norwich? The big Dan and Wits. They've got two Dan and Wits in Norwich. They have two of those, level three. Okay. The new community store ran up centers, got two of those. Yeah, rinkers, yeah, or was rinkers. Yeah. Where else? This has happened, but I have never seen anybody plugged in a Dan and Wits and I've only seen one person plugged in up to rinkers. How? Maybe it's a different time of day. I've plugged in several times up on- How fast? How long do you have to sit there if you don't mind me asking? I'd go from 20% to 80% in 45, 50 minutes. On open too. On a level, really. That's supercharger. Supercharger, up at the mobile station and I've seen other people there at the same time. Because I'm just saying I'm right. Go by and be secure. Yeah. And I know some of the, well, I wouldn't say some, I know a lot of the thought and reasons behind us putting one in town was to have a dot on the map which connect the dots and it helps with tourism to come in, you know, because if they're coming up the interstate and they say, oh, the rest area is all level one, but Bethel has a level three, you know, then there's opportunity for some tourism. Rest area is level one, but you have to have your own charger. I, I, I've never even seen anybody ever plugged in that. Well, that's because you have to have your own or one 10 cord and charger. It's just a one 10 outlet at every street light. What would be, what would probably be nice because it has been a few years since we've talked about it is maybe we could task the energy committee with getting us the information for a level three charger. You know, what's the cost? What can we get for grants to offset the cost? And then what is the user cost versus charging? Bethel, we don't have enough parking anyway. Yeah. So when, when you get into those grants, you have to leave that space empty. Yeah, I am. So when you, not only do you have the, the cost, but now you've lost two or four parking, usually it's four. You're going to have room for four done. Unless it's an electric car. Yeah, I think I'm thinking too, Dave is, you know, and this is where we left off with it was, what if we invested money, but it was on a private lot? So for instance, you know, if we were going to have a level three charger and let's say we were going to have to invest $10,000 into it, right? And now that $10,000, we're going to have to manage that facility, which that was a big thing is how do we manage it, right? Who manages it? How do they pay for it? And it takes away parking, but, but maybe we can motivate a small business owner that may not have the cash or want to fund the whole job. Maybe we could partner with them, get our dot on the map, but we walk away from it, right? We, you know, we, Sure, there's, there's, we maybe became possibilities. Maybe we, we fund a part of it so that they can fund it and then they become the managers of it. You know what I mean? And then it's not on municipal parking. You know, we kind of win-win. We get our dot on the map that tourists or locals can use that, but at the same time now, Teresa doesn't have to manage the thing or plow around it in the winter time or, Yeah. Or, you know. We looked at the Bethel for all. The first place that they had them was on that small sliver of land we own between babes and the hardware store. But I actually don't think that we should charge the energy committee with looking at it right now because we're not prepared for it. It'll be part of this bigger plan as to do it. I put this information out front porch warm. So if Dan McCullough or whatever, babes or anybody else wanted to apply, you know, that they could. But for us, even if we know the cost right now, we don't have the infrastructure. We're gonna have to tear out the parking lot and some other things. I just wonder if, I mean, I know the only reason I say that too is because McCullough is so stressed out because she lost another member. That, you know, we certainly will need to look at it. But I think you're right. And who knows, maybe in three years, there's like a level, but what did you say the highest level was right now? Three. Maybe there's like a, you know, something new that comes out. But yeah, I did put this information out. So people like Dan McCullough, Champlain Farms, you know, places like that that might not just all one could. At no fault of their own. I think, you know, Champlain Farms or McCullough would need a nudge, you know, to do it. I don't think they're gonna just sign up and do it. But I think it's like we became some sort of partner. Yeah. Or a little, you know, if we, if we initially funded something or help towards it and then we were able to walk away from it. Cause there is money in this, this thing. I looked at all the links and there is money. So somebody can get grandmoney, but she's right. GW has that whole parking lot like it. No lot of GW, no lot of GW to us forever. So you're right. Add walk to the downtown. Yeah. Hi, Paul. Hang on the dog is originally back in the day, we also talked about putting women up at the white church, the end spots at the white church, taking it up two spots. Cause you have to also have it handicap accessible. And that was a nice flat area and there was thought about putting them right in there. That could put our dot on the map and not interfere with municipal parking in downtown at all. No, it's a good idea. Yeah, that's right, Paul. You also have that little point to nine acres that's in front of Placy's trailer. Yeah. You know, I was, I was thinking of three places that are not the parking lot. One was down by the hardware store that you mentioned. Another one's at the white church that he just mentioned. And the third was that little strip of land. Yeah. I mean, I really, I really think. Right by the bridge. We did talk about it during Bethlehem. And I said no to the ones by the mills hardware just because of snow removal and they have a dumpster down there and I thought it would be difficult, but you're right, I'd like to see a business to it. I mean, it wouldn't cost much to change that green space in front of Placy's, you know, to parking lot there. And I think you may not see it used as much during the week, but the weekends definitely would get used. But that would be cheap money. I mean, it would cost a lot to do that. The data, like how often they're. So I'm saying you got that place up there, man, up center, and you got Dan and Witt's, there's, and I know there's no other place parking. Yeah. What did they do? Parking, we could always add the charging station later, but at least used. Yeah. Put the parking there. That's interesting. Once you put a diagonal parking, you probably get like six parking lots of parking per day. That's right. Yeah. And that could be part of the plan. So that's interesting. Yeah. Cause I'm curious about that. I'm curious about like, you know, how people pay, do they swipe their credit card? Like going to a gas pump. I don't understand it either. I'm an electrician. That's fine. That's right. That's your career. They've had two 100 amp chargers. That's a 400 amp service. Uh-huh. Does your math work differently? No, I don't know. I'm waiting for you to tell me what's going on. But it won't go from 200 amp to 400 amp service. You go eight times as much money. Yeah. The installation there, I would not be surprised. That was $25,000 to put that installation there. No, I'm sure. I'm sure. Well, I know it was because the prices that we had gotten to, you know, was quite a bit for the level three. To the point where we were like, okay, that can't afford that one. Let's go to one or two. So the Walmart and West Lever almost, yeah, of course you go in there shopping for four hours. So... Yeah, it's something you come out and you got a full charge. But yeah, but part of your question is, yes, you use your credit card for, you know, you have an account with that company that does that. What I don't... Did they build by the hour? How does it... By the kilowatt hour. By the kilowatt hour. Okay, I was just curious. I didn't know. It's very interesting. And I don't know how much of a cut the owner of the property gets. Very interesting. But my guess is that they're getting something. Oh, sure. They must be getting a percentage. Yeah, just like... So they're paying, they're providing fuel for gasoline-powered vehicles, diesel-powered vehicles and electric-powered vehicles. Well, next time I'm up there, I'm gonna, I'll ask them what they get for their cut up there. Just tell them that. Yeah, I'm interested. Yeah, let's cut. Yeah, you're up there. You've got 45 minutes to kill you. No, I'm not anymore. To be able to design the whole thing, but I'm at my house now. But no, I... But that's... Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, so anyway, so it just seems like it's gonna be for us, it would. So certainly, yes. I put this on a front porch form case with people that were interested but for us, I think what we'll focus on, I think we need to focus on is what does the select board want the scope of the project to be? And parking on one side of the street, I think if you're gonna do that, I also think you should implement like three-hour parking on Main Street so that you don't have people parking in front of their business all day. And, but just on Main Street. That way people have, or maybe it's only certain during certain hours, maybe it's only like 8 a.m. before p.m. or something like that. So that people aren't just parking there and going home and taking up a downtown parking spot. So there's a few things to think about obviously, but looking at the Bethel for all will give us some... If they have an area that's underground tunnel and they can put one down an alternative and you can walk under the tracks and put them in shock. That's a well, there is one. I thought, I think they buried it. No, someone told Farron Griffin told me that he sent me a picture of it. And he was, I'm like, don't even think about going to that. Well, the access, I think you can see the access down below. Yeah. It's that right beside Bay Bar. Yeah. That little house was, there's no access there. Not on that side, but on the other side there is. Yeah, I don't know. It's pretty interesting, but he was like, oh, would the town be, I'm like, no, no, no. Sounds like nothing with that. And I think it might be railroad anyways, but yeah, he sent me a picture of it one day when he saw the backside, but I'm like, I'm like, you know, we got to pay for other stuff. I'm not even focusing a tunnel, but it was interesting when he sent the picture of it. So it sounds like, Teresa, that you want us to have a continuing discussion. Yeah, about the down to, I'll get you. And maybe we could plan on at the next board meeting starting to go through the recommendations or options and maybe see what we want to do or not do, at least while moving and it'll be either the next. I don't know if it'll be Monday up to look at the schedule. Well, yeah, it might not be this back to that world. Yeah, we're back to back. So, but anyways, yeah, I'm going to photocopy those pages of the report so that everybody can see what the, you know, and it also ties into the stormwater design because there's one for here. There's one for across the street. There's sediment separator. So obviously if we're tearing up to do stormwater mitigation, then again, it all makes sense to do it before the state comes through and paves. But speaking about that, I may have hit Peter and they actually have a meeting. Down gold? Well, I might just get the wall fixed behind the fish. I have a finally, it's just three years, but I have a meeting with Jesse Devlin and he said like three or four people from the state. I'm like, more of the merrier. I told him to come to town office and he was gonna, he's setting up an appointment time. I said, whatever works for you, I will make it work. So they're gonna come, park at the town office and go down and scope it out. And I'm like, look, that is not my place to say whether that thing is structurally sound or not. That's your job, you're the state. But what I want is maintenance. And if you have to take the top off and report it and do some maintenance so it doesn't, A, look like hell and B, chunks of it aren't falling off into the road. So I think once he realized and he's like, so you're just looking for repair and maintenance. I said, yeah, I'm not looking for you to tear it all off. If it's structurally safe, which they claim it is, and you're just doing type one repair on it, it will prolong the life of that. I mean, they should be doing it. Yeah, because they... And fixing the rail, that whole top rail needs to be something there. That's what I said. Cut it the top before the top. It's dangerous up there. And then fix any of the facing that's going on. Exactly. And put our fish back up. I'll let you know when I get the, I'm not sure if I'll put the fish back up, but I will let you know when I get, I'll let you know of course when I have the meeting. So in case you're around, you can come listen to me. I don't have any, I agree with you that taking an overall look at the whole thing is important. The other, but I just, I do want to say that it was put together in a way that it could be done piecemeal. So that if we were to say, yes, we need to look more seriously at our... It could be lost to... Mm-hmm. At the EV station. We don't have to wait till the whole thing, we've decided what pieces we're going to do. So you're saying each... No, no, no, I'm going back. Oh, we were talking about the wall. I'm like, the wall was done in sections? I was like, oh, I didn't know that. No, no, no, I'm going back to the EV. I'm sorry, okay, it's a good job. I'm sorry. As part of the Bethel for All program. Yes, let's look at the whole thing. Right. And decide which we're going to do. Absolutely. You're saying you'd like to see the EV chargers sooner rather than later? I'm saying I don't want to preclude that possibility. Yeah, no, I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, no, I'm not saying that either. I'm just saying that depending on the location and stuff as part of the project, it may just be that. So what is happening from Paul Valley? No, we lost the Orca. Low sound video. Yep, we can get to see. What happened to you? Did you guys get... You know, I had an interesting call from Paul. I don't know. Yeah, ours is fine. Yeah, so you're just going to say that. Yeah. It's working on our edge. I don't know. We're still connected, but he's reconnecting. Upper, upper, that. And wire up. I'm going to pay our bill. Yep, you're done. All right. I mean, we could unmute ours until he gets his back on. We can just do it through the computer here. Can you hear us, Lindley? Yeah. Okay, yeah, we're doing it through our laptop until Orca gets reconnected. So we'll keep hammered down here. Yeah, so anyway, so yeah, that's so we will look at the... So we'll keep that as well. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I've got to do it for him. I'm going to make copies. All right. And town managers report. Is there anything left in there? Okay, so the temporary bridge is up. We were mobile thing, I told you that. Christian Hill starting next week. So the delinquent, the shut off notices, 24 hour shut off notices went today. So if you receive any phone calls, we did the delinquent notices went out and we had, so we hung the 24 hour shut off notices. So obviously we've seen quite a few people today and heard from them and either made payment arrangements. Thanks, Owen, Eric got their money. Jason Booth will be here next week. Yep, yeah, Jason Booth will be here next week to, for awarding the project. It looks like Hebert was the original, was the low bidder. They were waiting on some information from them, but that's most likely who will be awarding the contract to. The other thing is, it's that time of year again, when we need to do, I do evaluations of the employees, which means you do my evaluation. And I put a little note in here because we need to talk about it. Well, we don't do the evaluation yet. No, well, you do it for, you do it May and June. Yes, because a raise takes effect in July. That's when you did it last year. I'm telling you. We do your evaluation at the end of the year. We do a goal set now. Fiscal year. We don't, not with you. You did last year? We did last year. It was what we normally used to talk about is that we would do after town meetings, some sort of goal setting in which we don't ever seem to do. And then we do the evaluation process and whenever we do it. But anyway, so my suggestion is that I think that the select board should have goals, for sure. And we just need to figure, I'm okay with whatever process. We just need to figure out a process and stick with it, I guess, is my point and is what I would like to see done. I gave you myself evaluation and you guys met without me, which makes sense and did what you need to do. And then Chris, I assume, talked to other employees and got input and which I always encourage you to do. So I do think the select board should have goals. And obviously, you choose what rock needs to get pushed uphill and so I tend to do that, but I also have the job itself, which I'm burst in at this point. So I just think there might be a, I just think we need to figure out how we wanna do this and then stick with that plan because it kind of changes and obviously, I serve with the pleasure, but so I just don't know how you wanna do it. Why don't we put that on the next meeting? I mean, I guess, through doing quite a bit of these, oops, there we go, sorry. So from doing quite a bit of these, I think what usually works the best on in my business if we come up, if the select board picks no sound. Oh, still no sound? Okay. Hang on. Now we're gonna get an echo, echo, echo. If we talk with an echo, does it go away? I don't know, oh, she's back. She gave us the thumbs up. Okay, yeah, if we talk with it. It might. So I think one thing, we can talk about more at the next meeting. I think one thing that would be helpful is if we more or less identify, so say three goals or three areas that we'd like goals from her is identify what those areas should be and then have three set a goal that she believes would fulfill those areas. So I'll make it up. If we say something about one of her goals should be something to do with engaging the small businesses in downtown, then she would come up with a smart goal for that, saying I'm going to. Do whatever. Now, the easy thing is to say, I'm gonna go talk with 10 of them throughout the year, but the more specific might be to say, hey, I'm going to establish these two new relationships with these ones that I don't have a relationship with. So I think if maybe we make our, if we can at the next meeting come prepared to, what are three areas that we'd like to see? One could be something to do with building, employee, trying to think a couple of things. Like morale or team development? Well, I mean, it could be, right, it could be like employee development piece if you wanted to think about work with Morgan or something. And then allow you to set that goal that you believe would. I mean, I really think that if we could find a way to incorporate continuing education into our employees, and that's right straight through from Kelly to Morgan to. Which we do so much. They all, because, I mean, I have to do it to keep my license. And Richard has to do it to keep his license. Kelly has to do it to keep her license. She has a class in June. AJ's and Morgan just, they all just got MSHA certified and then AJ's going to a class to work because he was one, he's going to class for municipal road general permit because there's gonna be a new app about Culvert and stuff. But yeah, but the employee development could be one of them. And obviously I know what the job is and I do it and whatever comes up for topics is sometimes not even driven by us. It's driven by residents, because things come up and we have to address it. Obviously we're always looking at policies and the finances and just keeping the wheels on the bus. And obviously this project to develop the downtown would be a big project. Overseeing all the grant money is a big project in writing grants, but it's just helpful if we have, if we're all on the same page. And nothing really came up at town meeting. Nobody asked a question about the budget. Nobody, so we didn't really walk away from that with any big goals for myself or this life for. Yeah, and I would stay away from, I would stay away from projects as being goals because we're always gonna have projects. It's true. I don't want to. I would stick to more like the pillars of like developing direct reports and we're establishing community relations or something like that. And then if we agree, like I would say we should come to agree on as a board of three areas, broad areas. And then leave it up to you to figure out what is the smart goal that I want to do. And then bring, and then we kind of agree and say, yep, that meets her smart goal. Yeah, that makes sense. And then I would stay away from the things that we know the tangibles like, phase two water, like we know you're dealing with that. So that wouldn't be part of anything. I agree, I think that makes sense. That can be on the next agenda. Yeah, yeah, so that makes sense. Because all the other stuff that we're dealing with, it's stuff that you're gonna have no matter what. Exactly, I agree with that. So that makes sense. And then I think as a board, if we just figure out what those three areas are that we want her to do a measurable smart goal then. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm all for that. It's hard because we have never, we kind of reverse this every year. We've never really come away with the same process. One year we didn't do anything until the very end of the year. We just, because we're busy, and we're moving on, so we forgot about it. So this year I was getting prepared, I was doing, getting ready to do all the employees. Their self-evaluations are due to me by the end of May. So I was like, oh, I gotta talk to the select board now. And I had mentioned it to Chris saying, you just gotta sort this out. So, that's fine. Trees, trees, also mentioned select board goals. Yeah. Which would be different. Which could be like the development of the downtown project. And that could be a big goal for you guys. Or do you wanna see, what are your goals for Bethel? You know, something you wanna see that maybe you don't wanna have goals. I just don't know what it is as a board. Like we used to have a visioning committee. Weren't you on that, Chris? Started it, and it didn't go very far. There was just Lylea and I. Yeah. We started it, it went for about a meeting and a half, and then it was, again, it was just Lylea. There was nobody else. But yeah, I mean, you really need something like that. I mean, I think it's good that, I mean, I think we should look at establishing some sort of goals for the year. I mean, everybody should have goals, right? Yeah. And maybe looking through the Beth to our connection stuff, giving y'all maybe, going through maybe some little jog your memory or jog, you know, something in you. Get up in the morning, get dressed, and have a cup of coffee, like my goal is. Another day. Wake up. First thing is to wake up. Yeah, that's right. Get up and sit up and take nourishment. So I would just suggest we include that in our conversation. Yeah, I'll make a note. I'll put it on here too. Next week. I mean, and select work plan. Yeah, it'll be a good, it should be a good meeting for it. Yeah. Because I can't imagine that too much is gonna come up between now and then. No, right now it's setting the water sewer budget. So Richard'll be here. I'm not sure if you all know Richard, so Richard'll be here. Jason Booth will be here. So I feel like there's something else, but not, you know. Yeah. So we should be able to fit that in. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right. Perfect. That's all I got. Thank you. All right. And select board meeting minutes from the 24th of April. Anybody have anything they want amended or are we good to approve as written? I didn't see any problem. Move their approval as written. Okay. Second. All in favor? Aye. All right. All ready? And you did have a lot of other communications in there. DRB, planning commission, town meeting committee, and all sorts of good stuff in there. Yeah. Anything else come before the board this evening? Got anything, Denise? I got nothing. All right. Lindley, you got anything? All right. Get in the thumbs up. Okay. Did you tell Peter that 70% of our town voted for him and now that he turned this down, we're gonna have to rethink about that. Yeah. Exactly. I should have. We're gonna rethink that. That's right now that you're not gonna give us time. I thought for sure Camp Brooke would be because it affects two towns, I thought, you know. Yeah. It's a corridor. Yeah. It's a federal highway. It used to be a federal highway. No, it's a racetrack. Stuck us with that. I know. I just, I thought, you know. Contact the Indy 500 so you can get some money. No, it might be benefit to us to maybe talk with Rochester about some sort of partnering grant. Cause their side is probably some ways worse than our side and neither town really has the money to put both on that road. Maybe there's something if we, both of us squawk a little harder, maybe there's, maybe get further on this. Well, and maybe, you know what? We have our project scoped, so maybe he would do a piece on his side. Maybe we could do a con- congressionally district, spend it like together. Sometimes, yeah. So I can talk to Frank, but I think- And then we could submit it together for next year or something like that. Yeah. I'll talk to Frank. More buy-in. Yeah, and the other thing too, I think we're just gonna have to start looking as, like you said- Turn to dirt road. No, is to just start like ditching and doing some of the things before that. But, I mean, just trying to slow people down on that road is just- Well, like- Dave's road's better dirt than what's been, so I mean- I know. He's happy. He was for a little bit. Yeah, I was. See, that Ford F-250, it's not pretty right now. Yeah. But that's slowing the traffic down right now. No, it doesn't. No. They got faster. You get it faster to hit the bumps in the same month. Yeah, I mean, that's it. You're dying to be the doctor if you don't. Turn to dirt road doesn't slow anybody down. You grade it, you chloride it. They drive faster. They complain about pot holes. Then you pave it. Then they're complaining that people are speeding. Really, I can't. It's just- The only thing I'd like to see on the bottom of Campbroke Road that I mentioned to you before- Those barbs? Spikes? Spike mats, I can make those. No, it's less than three-tenths of a mile from the 40-mile-an-hour sign right after Watershed Road says 40 miles-an-hour, less than three-tenths of a mile, there's that corner. And a lot of people don't realize or don't pay attention to the signage that you got to stop. And I don't know how many cars I've almost hit. Is there like a stop sign ahead? No, that's what I'd like to see, that 40-mile-an-hour sign down and put a stop ahead sign. I mean, it says route 12 goes each way, but they don't pay attention, and then they come around. I think it's annoying. That says you're coming down the hill. Coming down the hill? No, right after Watershed Road. Oh, okay, right there. As soon as that corner, does that Benoit sit on that? I'm not sure who owns that house, but they come around that corner, and there's so many out of status, stop ahead and get rid of that 40-mile-an-hour sign because it's less than three-tenths of a mile. Or maybe you can move the 40 sign. Yeah, all right, down to the brook. So, yeah, because we did a bunch of signage up there last year on the top, and... Because people just don't stop. No! And it's because they don't realize, they see 40-miles-an-hour, they think they've got plenty of time. Right, they're on their own, yeah. That's a good point. And people coming from Warren, a friend of mine told me she used to go over Roxbury Mountain, I believe, and her daughter said, no, go over Bethel Mountain. It's a lot easier, so I think that's why there's more traffic, because they're going over Bethel Mountain. Because Roxbury is dirt. Yeah. Some of them are safe. Well, near the bottom. The Warren side. But people going to Warren and Watesfield are going up over King Road. I know, and you can't, just trying to get truck traffic off, I mean, just anything. It's just been difficult. And then people complain, well, the road's really bad. Well, no kidding, drive around. Yeah. Take 107, it's beautiful. And that's what I tell people. Right now it's not. It will be. I just tell them that. There is a big hole in Class 3 road that goes out of the quarry. And I'm concerned that it's a failing culvert. Oh, Morgan and A.J. have already scoped it out. So they were aware of the hole and... On quarry road? It's actually an abandoned, it's an abandoned culvert. So they're both aware of it, so they know they're going to address it. So I did ask them about it. And I said, oh, it's something like where he goes, oh, I know what it is. There's a hole right there. And he talked to me about it. So they're aware it's there. It's still there. I know. They'll deal with it. But yeah, they know about it. They actually, as soon as I said quarry road, they knew exactly what it was. So they're aware of it, sir. Okay. All right, anything else come before the board? The priest mentioned it in passing, but I attended the energy committee meeting last week. Yeah. I think we're probably looking for a major re-organization of that committee. Oh, I'm sure you are. I mean, you have two members. There's Vincent. It'll have two. Nicole, yeah. Well, what about? It will have... Scott? Scott. Yeah, okay. So it'll have Scott and Vincent. Oh, Nicole's hand. So just a heads up. Yeah. Big change. There are big changes coming with the energy committee. Okay. And at this particular point, I don't think we can ask anything else. Okay. I wonder, yeah. That's a good point. All right, thank you. I'll meet with them next month to... See. Try to sort them things out with... Okay. All right, well, thank you for doing that, Gina. I appreciate it. Is there some special meeting at the end of this month? I mean, I'll give you emails. Yeah. Nicole's gonna continue working with that project. Yeah. But not with the energy committee. Okay. So that project is still gone. It's the committee itself. Okay. Okay. Thanks. All right. Of course, if you can find somebody to serve on it. Well, good luck. We don't have who else left to ask. I know. I know. We need people on... Just by every... Probably the only fully staffed committee would be the Conservation Commission. Right. All right. I'll make a motion to adjourn. All righty. Darn it. That suck, is it? And date. All right. We'll have a good evening, everybody. Thank you very much. See you, Lindley. See you, Lindley. Take care. Thanks, Drew.