 Youth and politics in this particular segment. We shall take a look at what has been taking place in the past one week and taking a look at some of the political turn of events. What is it that we should be looking forward to? To help us in talking about politics and youth. I am joined to my extreme left. I am with Kirag Omruthi. He is an aspirant of a parliamentary seat of KPP Reconstituency. That is Kirag Omruthi, ready to my extreme right, sorry. And next to me I am with the Faris from Bogo Jane. He is the Jubilee Youth League, Kiambo County, a leader. I am a lady, a gentleman. Thank you, thank you so much. I am a lady, a gentleman. I am not sure if I will be able to speak. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Kirag, before we get into politics, do you guys love football? Of course. Do you like football? Yes, a lot. I am a staunch supporter of a great fan of Manchester United. Manu, no wonder you are red. It is always red for me. Unfortunately, and what a supporter of football. You do not watch football? The last time I was here, I told you that I am a fan of motorsports. Oh yes, I remember. I remember. Wow, wow, okay. So you awake till late last night? Yes. You are watching the Afghans? Of course. What do you think about the team at all? I think Senegal deserved it. They really deserved it. It is a great thing that they have never won Afghans. Yes, they have won for the past 10 years. So even when it comes to politics, most of the people who are in politics, they also love football. I know also most of the politicians who are up to late at night. And I can say for sure that right now, Dinga was supporting the team that I was supporting. Senegal. It was so good. See, they have really struggled. Yeah, they have struggled. And finally, Emengiana. Emengiana? Yeah. Wow, wow. So what do you think of Malala? I like Malala, but I overheard. And they say work without play makes Jack a dull boy. A dull boy. So I had that Senegal won. And congratulations to Senegal. It's a big win for them. Do you know who won the bet? It was Lazyima. It had to be. Where was your bet? Senegal winning or Senegal losing? Personally, I don't place bets, but in my heart I was betting. I was rooting for Senegal. Oh, you were rooting for Senegal? Yeah. We are like you. I am like you. We miss you. Welcome to the club. Somebody chasing an inanimate object around the field. That's how I call it. Some people, they prefer to call it dry skin. Dry skin. Anyway, it is still sports. We thank God for that much. But let's now get into politics. And I want you to engage with us. The hashtag is why in the morning at Ram Maguko and at Y254Channel is where you can be able to find us and show that you let us know where you're watching us from and give us your thoughts about the political topics that we have in store for you. First things first, let's talk about the Kenya-Kwanzaa Alliance. They claim yesterday that President Uru Kenyatta is scheming to willpower behind the scenes by imposing Honorable Rayela Odinga on Kenyans in the coming general elections. And according to what Uru says, it says that Uru aims to keep staying in power and they term Honorable Rayela Odinga as a state project. Let me start with you. You are in Jubilee. Yes. What would be your response to such claims? Honestly, Ram, I think it's very absurd. It's very absurd to say that President Uru Kenyatta wants to stay in power by pushing Rayela Odinga to be the president. If you can remember, Rayela Odinga even actually started vying way before Uru Kenyatta even thought of ever becoming the president of this country. So it's very absurd to see that and to hear some people say that Rayela Odinga is being pushed to be the president by Uru Kenyatta. Rayela Odinga has been running for president since 1997. So I don't know. But I don't believe it. It can't be. Honorable Moussela Mudavadi said this, and I quote, Uru plans to remain in power behind the scenes. He is the patron of Azimuola, of Azimuola Omoja, and the chairman, and he is fronting Rayela Odinga as president. He wants to choose the vice president for Rayela so that he remains in command. End of quote. Kirago, your thoughts? Ram, I think it's kind of a reflection. And the future is made by things that we don't discuss. And we must discuss things as they are. We have seen the president, we saw the president make the handshake with the right honorable Rayela Odinga. And for the past three years, we have seen Rayela Odinga enjoying the state resources and state machinery. And the deputy president was left fighting the government and fighting the government that he was elected with. And this is something that is unusual, that only occurs in only dysfunctional societies. So we can't ignore the fact that Rayela is enjoying state resources in the government of Kenya. So when you see, we saw the other day that Uhuru Kenyatta and Rayela Odinga had sponsored the BBI amendment, which unfortunately was declared null and void. And in the BBI, we saw some formations and creation of some officers. We had the prime minister, deputy prime ministers. And from my perspective and from where I sit, I saw this as a president who doesn't want to let go of power or a president that wants to keep cooling the strings even if he's away from government. So we can't ignore from the fact that Uhuru and Rayela are behind a hidden motive and he has left. You believe there, and this motive that people keep talking about here, what exactly are we talking about here? Can't 2022, August 9th, Uhuru will not obviously be in power. Will he? No, he won't. It is a fact that he will leave his seat for somebody else unless there is something, another conversation that is taking place here, Kirago. I mean, look at the media. We saw the other day, every time that the president talks, he keeps on saying that we cannot elect a thief. And those things, those words are directed to one and the one and only the deputy president of the public of Kenya. So there's some kind of detachment between the president and the deputy president. And it's seemingly clear that the president is supporting Rayela Odinga for president. And he has left us, those who supported him in 2013, those of us who supported him in 2017, I remember very well in 2018, he stood up and said, Yangu kumi, yaru to kumi. So he has left the entire electorate in a dilemma. So the only thing that we can do in a dilemma, we just fall into assumptions. And those assumptions are the ones that we are saying that Uhuru Kenyatta is going to support Rayela Odinga in 2022. Ram, allow me to interject because it's very funny that out of all those people who are going for presidential seat, it's only when we say, when we talk about a thief, they even know, even them in order, they know that we are referring to a certain person. Why is it that Motua is not being referred as a thief? We didn't mention anybody's name. But when we say, and it's true, I would also join the president in saying that power should not be left to a thief. Because we have made gains as a country. A lot of them, if you're going to go down that lane and elect somebody who doesn't care about the posterities to come, then there's no need of all these developments that we have right now. Okay, speaking of developments, still the deputy president, William Brutus, said this, and I quote, we are not fools. All we are saying is that the issues of Kenyans are more important than anything else. We want to fix issues to do with the hustlers. We shall put aside 100 billion Kenya shillings for the housing and manufacturing sector. Because of that. Ram, I would like to comment on the same. Because the deputy president has been the deputy president of Kenya for, this is, I think, the tenth year. And he has been in the government. Right now, as we speak, he has made promises that goes over to the region. And as he said earlier, we are going to give 100 billion to this. He goes to another place. He has made those pledges. He is supporting hustlers. He is supporting hustlers. But, you see, the best way to support hustlers is where he sits at the Ibeq. He could have made those changes nine years ago. Where is it now that, sign your major, the hustlers in the country? Well, I think Ram, all there is is on the ball, on 2022. And as we head to the 2022 general elections, we must think twice as an electorate. At the moment, the economy is already down on its knees. We need a person who is going to get us out of this economic debt that we are in. You see, we have an obsession to foreign debt. We need to first tame the borrowing, the foreign borrowing. We need to revamp our economy and build the economy from scratch to up. And what William Ruto has brought into the table. He has brought in a bottom-up economic model, a bottom-up economic model that is going to bring up people from the Masinani upward. But a hundred billion. Is it achievable? Is it possible economically speaking? It is achievable. The government has money. You remember, the last year we had a budget of around 6 trillion. So I think the money is available. The only thing that should be in place is how we are going to use that money. Look on the other side of Rayla. You promised us 6,000 Kenyan shillings. I mean, how do you give every Kenyan 6,000 Kenyan shillings? Yes, it can roll out for maybe a few months. But how about the sustainability? Will it go for even a year without the country running out of money? So we must need a person with a plan. So you say the hundred billion Kenyan shillings to be used for housing and manufacturing is sustainable. It is available. And that's not a thing with him. You remember the Uhuru Kenyatta has... Look at the availability. Sustainability. It is sustainable. Remember, Uhuru Kenyatta had the big four agenda. We had the housing and manufacturing in place. So I think Ruto, what he's trying to do in that sector of housing and manufacturing, he just wants to move to progress the work that has already been done by Uhuru Kenyatta, which is commendable. We must give credit to it. Uhuru Kenyatta has done his work. It is time now for his deputy to take part and continue with the work. Honorable Willem Ruto said, and I quote, we shall empower everyone so that we eliminate poverty and ensure every citizen is off the poverty line. This year, we shall vote to end poverty. That is his main agenda. It's a spoiler thing. It's funny. It's funny Ram. You see, to be honest, let us have this honest conversation and Kirago will agree with me that President Uhuru Kenyatta has done a lot of work. I have. Now, the Jubilee government has done a lot of work with Uhuru, with Willem Ruto included. So Kirago, so in which party is Willem Ruto in? Is it in Uda or is it in Jubilee? Because I can't get it. I mean, we elected both leaders both on a Jubilee ticket. And in 2022, we must understand the political realignment and fix it. So it's not something new. Okay. But the point is? My point is, Kirago says that deputy president has done a lot of work. I wonder which is this work he has been doing over in, well, he is cruising all over Mount Kenya in choppers, giving out wheelbarrows. You see, Ram, to say the truth is Willem Ruto has been in campaign trails since he was elected deputy president. So he can't take credit. Actually, he goes everywhere he goes. He says, he government is Jaffania is Jaffania. Then when it is convenient for him, he is a man of double-speak. I even wonder, how are you guys running that party? But he's still promising Kenyans what they need. He's talking to the youth, the hustlers that keep on struggling each and every day to get money. And they're listening. Remember, it's the same youths. He promised one million jobs. He promised them Camarine stadium. It's the same youths together with Uhuru Kenyatta. I think, Ram, we have elected the Jubilee government for two terms in 2013 and in 2017. On the part of 2013, it went really well. When it came to 2017 and 2018, Uhuru Kenyatta did the handshake with Raila Odinga. Before then, he was the opposition leader of Kenya. Now he took that position of the deputy president of Kenya. And it can be seen, it's evident. William Ruto has no place in the Jubilee government. You've seen in the state projects, even we saw Raila Odinga the other day launching a state project in western Kenya. So we've seen Ruto has been taken away. The power has been taken away. He's not a deputy president anymore. He's a deputy president by virtue of the seat, but not with the power that he needed to... How do you say he's not a deputy president anymore? I mean, look at the powers. He's not a deputy president. He has no power. He's not invited to state projects in Kenya. We only see Raila and Uhuru Kenyatta. I mean, you can see the push away between the Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto. And that's what you're saying. We elected Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto on a Jubilee ticket. And they formed a government. And that government has been carrying out its mandate to bring development to the people of Kenya. And we must give credit to its due. Why Uhuru Kenyatta has done infrastructure. William Ruto is included. Where Uhuru Kenyatta has built roads. William Ruto is included. Where Uhuru Kenyatta has opened water projects. William Ruto is included. It's a Jubilee government. Okay. Now, before you respond, in order to quote Honorable Musala Mudavadi, he said this, I have stood with Raila for many years. I'm tired now. I'm very tired to continue supporting Raila, to show that I am tired. There is only one way to show it. On August 9th, I want us all to come and vote against any person who does not have the Kenyatta Kwanzaa ticket. I won't fast forward to respond to Kirago because I feel that him, the Deputy President, is taking advantage of the work that is being done by the President. And I will say this in totality that there is no work that can be done by a person who has been in campaign trails for over nine years. There is no work that can be done. And the President said it very clearly. Let us hold all this siasa. Let us join hands and work for Kenyans. He even had the handshake that there is so much road so that we could have peace so that those Mamamboga can continue doing their work at the city market. Because you can't remember this country sometime back we didn't have the quietness that could favor businesses. So I really wonder why if people coming together in search for peace, why would it bother someone so much unless they are benefiting from those chaos? And that is the Deputy President. Why would he... But to claim that that evidence is quite malicious. But the truth is there. There is so much road in the handshake that to claim that without evidence is malicious. I mean, Ram, we have a very good and honest President whom we respect too much. He is the President of Kenya. His Excellency Huru Kenyatta. And I remember also in 2017 he came out and said that he meant that he has sent Ruto out to talk to the people of Kenya to ensure that state projects are well done. And him, he is accusing William Ruto of campaign trails for the last three years. What have we been doing? It has been BBI, BBI, constitutional amendments. When people are dying of hunger in Tokana we are bringing BBI proposals to the table. When people are dying of healthcare we are bringing BBI proposals to the table. BBI proposals were of not much need to the people of Kenya. I mean, these are things that can come later. Constitutional amendments can come later. We must first look at the livelihood of Kenyans and ensure everyone has food at the table. All right. I want us to move to the next, to the other question that I had asked you earlier about what Mudavadi said, that this time round we are voting and he said that he has stood with the Rai'ila for so many years. He is now tired and busy in the coming election. He wants Kenyans to vote against anyone who does not have the Kenyan Kwanzaa ticket. Personally, you know, what Musalia says, and as the party leader of ANC, I would like to say that I have a lot of respect for him. But I really wonder even why Kenyans know Musaliam Davadi because he has never worked for anything in his life, politically. He has been a minister. He has been a vice president. He has worked in so many positions, politically. I have a reason why I am saying this because Musaliam Davadi, how did he come to the limelight politically because his father died so that people felt the need with all that remorse. I would say Musaliam Davadi as a person has not done anything in this country. Politically? For himself? What do you mean by politically? What do you mean by politically? Ram, I will tell you, because I feel that Musaliam Davadi is a product of being given things. Actually, things being given out to him. And this is why he was hoping that the president would support him. Remember the other day, he was with the president at Mombasa? But when it became very apparent, clear that even with the ticket, Davadi could not win. Because for himself, he won his poor ground mobilizer to say the truth. And I think the biggest rallies that they have held is with the deputy president. So they are riding with his wave. To say the truth, I would like to say that probably there is not so much we can take from so much weight we can take from Musaliam Davadi. I would like you to know that he has been vice president. He has been minister of finance. Both things were, he was appointed. I think he has something personal with Musaliam Davadi. I think he has something personal with Musaliam Davadi. I have nothing personal. From the word go, I said that I respect him as a party leader. Because that was a nice move. Where do you say he has nothing to offer? You see, sometimes even luck, it goes to somebody who has nothing to offer. I mean, when you look at the history, Musaliam Davadi, I think he is a man who has toiled so hard for this country. He was once the finance minister of Kenya in 1995. At a time when the Kenya's economy was already down on its knees, the man who was mandated to pull out that economy out of danger. And he has been vice president of the Republic of Kenya. I know the work of the vice president. He is under the president and you know the work of the president. The vice president is to ensure that projects are done well under the leadership of the president. And at the moment, we can't also ignore that Musaliam Davadi is the leader of ANC party. ANC party, a party that has members both in the county assemblies, in the national assembly, in the senate. And I think he is a man not to ignore. And looking at the future of Kenya, we saw the other day Musaliam Davadi joined hands with William Ruto. And I predicted that because I mean, they have some kind of magnetic control of their ideologies. They keep talking about the economy. We had Musaliam Davadi saying Uchumi Bora. He was, he is mandated, I mean, he is saying that he does away with corruption in Kenya. He does away with the ballooning debt crisis in Kenya. When you look at the other hand of William Ruto, he has the bottom-up economic model. And I think when they join hands, they have a future for Kenya. And what is at the table is how fair will be the power sharing deal be. That should be the question. Because will Musaliam Davadi accept to be William Ruto's deputy president? Will Musaliam Davadi accept to be William Ruto's minister? Or rather, will William Ruto accept to be Musaliam Davadi's deputy president? I think that's where the question should be. How fair will be the power sharing deal be? Ram, I would like to interject. I didn't want to stop his flow because I could see how he was going. But allow me to remind him that when Musaliam Davadi was the minister for finance he didn't do anything for this country. Actually, that was when we had the biggest, the mega scandal corruption, the biggest corruption scandal ever. The Golden Bug. You remember that? You remember that? Exactly. So when he became the vice president he couldn't even stay for over four months. Musaliam Davadi is the shortest serving vice president. So when I say that personally I don't take Musaliam Davadi seriously it's because it's true. Remember, when he joined hands with William Ruto, right now, how many members of parliament, he has only 13. Who? Musaliam Davadi. He has only 13 members. Do you know how many are remaining? Let me ask you a question. Do you know even getting one member of parliament into parliament with a particular party ticket is hard? I know it's hard. He has worked. Now you have 13. He has 13. Let's just even five. Seven have already arrived. And I'm even predicting that the others are on their way because they feel that what Musaliam Davadi is doing is not a representation of what the party stands for. Are you predicting that ANC will not have any representation in parliament come 2022? Yes. I mean let me get this clear. Say it in your own words. What are you saying? Are you saying that in come 2022 ANC party will not have any representation either in the senate or the national assembly? Ram, I'm saying what Musaliam Davadi took to William Ruto as ANC it was a shell. Answer the question. It's a bust without people. Answer the question. You said yes. I'll tell you the truth. Because ANC its stronghold is in western and if if Musaliam Davadi sticks to the deputy president of Kenya William Ruto it will be hard for him to get members of parliament. Are you saying that if Honorable Musaliam Davadi sticks with D.P. William Ruto he will not have any representation in parliament, national assembly and the senate? Yes. I mean these guys in Jubilee are kind of what we call from the Bible prophet of doom. They say that the Haslan nation would lose in Kiamba. The Haslan nation took by election and now they are saying that Mudavadi won't even have an M.C.A incumbent M.C.A in the 2022 government. Not just M.C.A. M.C.A. MP senator anyone who is having the ANC party ticket will not be in parliament. Especially from western. I mean in politics. I will call you what if we have people getting into parliament? What if that happens? Ram, I am telling you it will be hard. I mean, in politics there are no impossibilities but it will be hard for ANC very hard for them to get representation especially from the stronghold. I mean, I think his argument is based on the realignments in the ANC. We saw the deputy ANC leader left the ANC party and we are in 2022 we have reached the home stretch of the 2022 electoral period so and it's a perennial thing we must be aware of the realignments within the political misfits and you see coalitions never go coalitions in Kenya never finish even one political cycle not even one coalition or alliance have ever finished one political cycle we had NACK Kenya, we had PNU now we had Jubilee that is Aramshaku house we must agree that coalitions never finish one cycle we had NASA who didn't even clincher a seat the presidential bid so we must be aware that we must be aware of the realignments ahead of the 2022 you remember politics about interest so when you see a leader moving, shifting from this political allegiance to this one there's something he or she is doing so we go from Jubilee to UDA let me quote Honourable Moses Utangula speaking of coalitions and debts and you mentioned debts and you said that he has a problem with the Koto Secretary General Francis Atwali that he's accusing him of buying members of parliament to join to join Raila Odinga in Azimio and he said that voters cannot be bought and he said this and I quote General Raila that he has our debt but we want to remind him that the Luyan Nation is not interested in the debt anymore your response to that I mean first I think we must ignore the comments or by the actions of Atwali, Atwali is not a politician he should not concentrate on politics instead he should be concentrating on things to do with workers the pay cuts and everything and I think in politics you must if someone has done you well in return you must do something well but now you've seen the climate has changed we see Hurukinata promise but now the story has changed Hurukinata promise but now you've seen it has changed now they're talking about the debts they no longer want it it's paid according to Honourable Moses Wetangula they no longer need it they are okay the way they are and the Luyan Nation is not going to rally behind Raila Odenga yeah that's it I think Wetangula as a leader from the Luyan Nation he is quite optimistic about the future of Kenya now that in the hands of William Ruto they no longer need the debt they believe that they're going to move forward with Deputy President on board your response but I'll just like to probably brush it off and say that Moses Wetangula I don't know what the value he is bringing to Kenya Kwanzaa for sure he's losing his grip in Bungoma he's losing his grip in Transohia right now Judge Natambia cannot organize better meetings in Transohia than Wetangula but all the same since he is the party leader of Fort Kenya I don't think that Raila owes them any debt because the debt that he purports he never wanted paid because even when those people supported Raila Odenga they did it wholeheartedly I can't remember when Sadia was on the ballot could have been told that probably he has more votes to bring on the table Raila Odenga got more votes in western than Musalim Dawadi when he was the presidential candidate so this debt that Wetangula purports I don't know exactly when Raila Odenga said that support me and I'll support you back he never said that there is a particular theory that is being started by Senator Cleofas Malala and he is saying that Azimuyola Umoja is an extension of ODM party what are your thoughts? I don't know let me say that as you have seen most of the meetings that have been done for Azimuyola Umoja even ODM are coming in as partners as partners so whatever he says Azimuyola Umoja is an extension of ODM in fact we are bringing in Raila Odenga as a brand himself ODM are coming in to partner with the ODM and all the other parties that we want to foster peace Senator Malala is saying this I want to state that these parties that are state funded to divide the entire vote and ensure that Raila gets the vote but the Luya vote has never been united I think I will start it off from where you said that the Luya vote has never been united and that is true but looking at the things the way things are at the moment they are united and moving forward they have great things ahead of them and as Malala has said about Azimuyola Umoja being an extension of ODM it's true I won't talk about the state funded but I think Azimuyola Umoja is an extension of ODM who is the leader of Azimuyola Umoja he is Excellency Raila Odenga who is the leader of ODM we also look at the majority of the people in the Azimuyola Umoja they are ODM majority of them and that's why they brought the political amendments bill so that together with the ODM they can make a government come 2022 which I don't see it coming and I think another party is going to make the government come 2022 Azimuyola Umoja probably won't take the seats but I think that by stating that Raila Odenga is a state project he by the root of brigade stating that Raila Odenga is a state project might affect his particular run for presidency that actually Maraila Odenga's campaigns and at the end of the day the votes that he will get might be affected but he is being termed as a state project I think as I said earlier at the moment we are in a political dilemma and the only thing that we can do in a political dilemma is only work with assumptions and assumptions are very close to reality since we see Raila Odenga being endorsed by the president and he is also enjoying state resources and also state machinery and we can't ignore the fact that he is enjoying a good massive support from the government of Kenya and also the president Uhuru Kenyatta and looking at the things the way they are if I give if I tell you about the history in 2022 the then president Daniel Toretich Moi when he was doing away with his term he said the only person that I want to let this country is Uhuru Kenyatta at the moment Uhuru Kenyatta was not even known in Kiambu County where he comes from so he was endorsed by the incumbent president then Daniel Arap Moi but he lost this is because Raila on the other side said Kibaki Tosha and I think this is going to be reflected in 2022 the president is going to endorse Raila Odenga but on the other side the electorate will support Ruto because he has been left as an orphan as a political orphan okay he is going to get the sympathy votes sympathy votes who will get the sympathy votes Ruto he is also going to get the sympathy votes do you agree with him and will this third project affect Raila Odenga it's very good that he has confirmed they know that they have nothing to show to Kenyans I'll say this Ram you see when they state that Raila Odenga is a state project it's because his his bid has factors and people can see the reasons why Raila Odenga wants to be the president on the other hand there is a man who can't actually show anything so they have to come up with propaganda and start stating that Raila Odenga is a state project I said it from the word go if Raila Odenga was a state project because it's funny he has been vying for president since 1997 so can we say that Raila Odenga has been a state project for all those years and the only thing here and this is why the president is backing Raila Odenga is because we in Jubilee we in Jubilee and the president is our party leader we believe in fostering peace in this country we believe in sharing the shared prosperity in this country on the other hand I don't know what you stand for but for us we have very clear goals we want the resources of this country to be shared equally we don't want a person in Raila which has almost 5,000 people 500,000 people whereby the students there they are getting a little bit in terms of the battery amount that they are getting it's very small yet there is another person somewhere else because what happens is that we have 100 million for each constituency we are just saying that in the BBI like we had prosperity where Kirago stands the same chance with Ram do you agree with that? I think my brother has said that I am in UDA I am not in UDA party and also he has talked about peace and prosperity I think Kenyans are very peaceful people and as leaders we must be in the frontline to ensure that is peace, cohesion and tranquility in Kenya and that has been a frontline mandate to ensure that Kenyans are peaceful they enjoy their rights peacefully without interference from any form of government or rather that party but there is something that he said Raila Udinga has been vying for presidency since there 1990s 1992 1997 till now he has been a state project all these years I didn't say he has been a state project for all those years he has been a state project since 2017 Raila Udinga has been an opposition leader for the last 10 years I think in 2002 he was in the side of government when he said Kibaki Tosha but when he came to 2007 opposition leader 2013 opposition leader now he is in government I don't know what he wants to do with the presidential seat come next year I don't know what he wants to do he wants to end corruption he wants to stop poverty he wants to take the economy to the next level I mean if he wants to end corruption he should come up with an outlined agenda of how he is going to deal with corruption if he wants to revamp the economy he comes out with outlined agenda of how he is going to revamp the economy like what William Ruto has done so is it wrong if the president rallies his support to Raila Udinga I mean come August 20 we can't deny that the president of Kenya is also a citizen of Kenya and he enjoys his Bill of Rights he enjoys freedom of expression and he also has the right to support anyone he feels like if he wants to support Raila Udinga but remember about what he promised Kenyans the electorate the millions of Kenyans that came out that came out and voted for him and William Ruto he said we should do away with these politics of the seat politics of Betrayo and focus on progressive politics I'll say this because he has talked about politics of Betrayo and probably that Raila Udinga should come up with a better way of dealing with corruption and I'll tell you that we actually came up with those ways because in this country once you have a corruption case you go to court you bribe people but we had very clear guidance on how we are going to deal with corruption and actually it was in the BBI this one that you wrote so much you hate it so much yet it was the only document because we had to document some of these issues we have to document some of these procedures so that you don't say you don't get roof holes to evade justice we had clear timelines when that if you are caught today you are you have a corruption case there is a timeline that case should end by here and it's the only way because we have so many of these cases dragging up to now right now the NYS suspects are still in the court are we ever going to recover the money we lost so you are saying your point is that it's not exactly I'm trying to get what you're driving I'm saying because we talked about Raido Dinga should come up with a plan and I'm telling him that there was a plan there was a plan and our plan was very straightforward but your presidential candidate he never talks about how he is going to fight corruption and probably it's because the people who are surrounding him most of them they are in court with corruption cases Ram what I would like to say about corruption is that you have to deal with corruption one you require political display and you must also be practice healthy politics and corruption is not all about the millions of Kenyans that you see on newspapers being stolen each and every day the billions of state projects that are being stolen I mean corruption starts with us as the common monarchy corruption has been reframed as a form of gift giving or a form of social reprocity in that if I give you something you must give me something in return and it begins with the common monarchy look at when you get out there to tell the when you are the policeman it tells you let Achaiki Doggo even without any mistake that you have done corruption starts with a grassroots level and it needs political display healthy politics and a discourse that is going to take this country forward we have Musalem Udavadi he has talked about how he is going to do away with corruption we have William Ruto who has brought up the bottom up economic model so that we do away with these people cattle that are in between government that are hindering the state resources to reach to the common monarchy and that's what you are talking about the focus is moving this country forward progressing this country that we love the Kenyan country now I want us to find a touch on this particular area of course that conversion cannot end today the corruption one cannot I want us to touch on the issue of youth agenda who has the interest of the youth at heart here and how can we stop this notion of buying votes of giving handouts who has the interest of the youth at heart Faris? Thank you so much for that question because I was wondering when that question would come because I really wanted to point out some issues that we in Jubilee we are supporting as the presidential candidate and it's because we have actually sat with him down sitting with him down and agreeing on one, two, three issues for example we had a sitting here just here at the UN towers we wanted to meet him as youth he listened to our grievances we told him that in your cabinet president has been gracious enough to give us some appointments but we wanted more because also as youth we make up the biggest percentage of voters in this country we make up the biggest percentage of population in this country so we told him wanted more and he agreed in his response he gave us four css he told us I will make sure that in my government we have four css we will have pss also he has had all these sittings in Kiambu we have had a sit down with him just Kiambu youth we told him that our issue mainly is the drug abuse he told us there are many ways that are put in place for us how we can be helped to deal with those issues now on the other hand we are dealing with William Ruto who is promising people money he says that they are not handouts but in real sense those are handouts he is running a 6000 thing not handouts I want to explain that because Kirago made a very big mistake he misinterpreted the whole thing they give it out of proportion and it's only fair that I explain that Erillo Dinger is not saying that for every person we receive 6000 it doesn't work like that this is a social protection program which we are calling Baba Kea whereby we are vulnerable families you know Ram there are people in this country who are sleeping hungry today there are people who can't get clean water today as we speak in this country so those are the people who will be legible to get that 6000 it's not everybody and that is very well sustainable because we have been having the money being given for the old people Ram I am glad that you said that there is a spirit of water buying in Kenya and especially in local politics and I must say as a young man it's quite it has been quite a journey for me and campaigning in my villages and I must tell the leaders that have been elected they have set a bad precedence to us as young leaders because it's very hard for a young person like me who has visionary policies to progress the people of Kipipiri to campaign in Kipipiri without a financial muscle without the financial muscle you are not even respected people won't even listen to you but when it comes to who has the youth at heart we have William Ruto who has given us the bottom up economic model and what is entailed the bottom up economic model to these millions of young people in Kenya that are jobless they don't have money in their pockets they have gone to schools they have certificates but they are still at home hustling we give them money to start up businesses at the local level be it Mamamboga be it Kijana not handouts not handouts it's a program that is seen over by the government start up businesses so that they can grow from bottom to up when you look at Rila's thing he has talked about the 6,000 and when you look at the precepts of economics incentives do work incentives do work in a bad economy and it's a good policy but what you are asking and what you are questioning is how is it going to be sustainable that is a question how is everything actually going to be sustainable whether it is on Rila's side or Ruto's side or anybody's side sustainability we have different presidential candidates that are coming up with different economic plans different models the question is are you reading in between to see who is going to have your best interest at heart gentlemen that brings us to the end of today's conversation we don't have time but we will have to continue another day the youth agenda issue we are the youth agenda issue we need a person that is going to progress us as young people we need to have that conversation we need to have that conversation but that was just the end of this particular morning conversation on youth and politics we still have a lot in store for you right here on 1 in the morning coming up next after this particular short break my name is Ram Maguka big thank you to Kirago and Faris thank you so much gentlemen for joining me today thank you so much I wish you guys both the best in the plans that you are having from home thank you so much for being part of this particular conversation keep talking to us the hashtag is why in the morning we are taking a short break we'll be back in a bit this is why 254 my name is Ram Maguka see you again