 Rwy'n fwy oedd ymddangos, mae'n bellai'r cymdeithasol, Anna Bradnam. Rydyn ni'n rhoi'r cyfleoedd cymdeithasol y Cymru. Rydyn ni'n cael eu cyhoeddfeydd yma i'w gweithio ar y cysyllt yma ar y 19 yma ar 10.30. Mae'r ddannig ar y cysyllt yn gweithio'r cymdeithasol. Yn amser, rwy'n gwybod ddod y gallwn ni'n ffordd cael ei wneud hynny. Rydw i gyda corfod i chi respon o'r llyfod, goto gweddol yn gyfrifol. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'r Cymru? Roedd ydw i'r gwahanol. Roedd yma. Roedd yma. Roedd yma. David Levene. Roedd. Roedd. Roedd ar amser. Roedd flwyddyn. Roedd. Roedd yma. Roedd. Roedd. Roedd yr arherfod. Roedd. Roedd. Roedd. Roedd rydyn ni i'n gog. Roedd yma. Roedd yma. Roedd rydyn ni i roi i'r amser. go i ni from south Cambridge Inside Council. so llyliau Levine is attending as an alternate. Thank you. So we also have with us strategic manager, sorry strategic sites manager Phillip Pakelley, the legal advisor Keith Barbara, committee manager Sarah Steed and our producer today is Lawrence Damory-Human. Thank you. So just to deal with housekeeping matters, Roeddwn ni'n meddwl o'r ffarniadau, a'r e-mail wedi'i serefus eich cael Llywodraeth byrd Gary Cliff Shadowegal Eisteddfodig y Dynorth Cymru sy'n gwanfaen. Roeddwn ni'n dechrau fe chyfnodd y mewn i'r ddisgrifiadau yma ar ein wneud, ac mae'r ffarniadau yn y nid oedd ymydd y ddynnu ar protein yr 15 oedd 17 fel Nid oedd yn meddwl. Roeddwn ni'n meddwl i'n meddwl, roeddwn ni'n meddwl i'n meddwl? Roeddwn ni'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r diarysm Elin, mae'n amser y blyhau sydd r�doi'n gweithio gweithio ac mae'n pethau cheihaf. Yn y blynedd, y cwmpiwch yma, cael pot y mae'n fwyfyrdd ar y city-cwntsel ac mae'n gair y casfodd gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio llunau, mae'n hyn â'r gweithio'r ddefnyddio. Mae'n gweithio a gweithio oedd yn edrych yn dod o'r busfag o'i Mercedes-E item sgolwch. Mae'nивают a'r busfag ar y cwmpiwch ar y busf. if you are unable to walk that far, no. I can't. I'm sure if somebody needs to attend, we can try to make arrangements to help them. Thank you. Thank you. So, as we go through the item, please try to refer to page and paragraph numbers within the agenda if you're referring to a specific paragraph or plan. Yn y mhwyfod ydych chi'n meddwl, yn gyfweld y cwmhiliadau y twnno y ddatganiadau at y cyfaint ar y dystydd, yn cyfeillio ar y computer ac yn rhoi ru'r cyflei ar y cwymau. A bydd y camera yn y cwrthog, felly tynydd y cwestiynau isio dwi'n cyfrannu y cwrthog a fydd honno ni'n'r bus rydych chi'n gwneud, pwy o phobl o cwm ni'n cwrddiaeth oed yn lleol, ac yn cael wahanol fwyafol, siwr i gweithio ar gyfan. For y pwysig yn y googol ar y bydd. Rhywbeth ar gweithio ei wneud o'r pethau a gwelliadol ni'n mynd i gael eich FOI a Gwyddiol Phrifysgol. Rhywbeth y gallwn i'n bwysig yn gweithio'r cyffredinol ar gyfer ychydig i'r cyffredinol. Rhywbeth i'n bwysig i'r cyffredinol i gael eu byddwyr yn cambr ac i ddweud o'r cyffredinol i ddweud o'r cyffredinol. A hynny'n gweithio i gael cyffredinol i gael cyffredinol. The process for the consideration of the planning application will be firstly the planning case officer will present the proposals and give an overview of the key issues that are set out in their report. Registered public speakers will be invited to have their say and there will be three minutes for those speaking in support and three minutes for those speaking against unless I have advised otherwise. In that case it's just three minutes this time. The committee manager will ring a bell when the three minute time period has passed and public speakers are unable to join in with the councillor debate. So once you've had your say as public speaker then it's just down to the committee to speak. The committee will then discuss and debate the item and may ask questions of the case officer. At the end of the deliberation I'll ask members to vote on the officer's recommendation by a show of hands. So moving to item two please could councillors advise if they have any declarations of interest and also identify which report their declaration relates to. So councillor Thornborough. Yes I was involved in the application for the clay farm development site when I was councillor quite a few years ago but I was involved with the residents developing this and I feel that I must step down from being part of the voting on this so I would like to talk on behalf. Of the talk about the application as a basic ward councillor. Okay that's fine so you'll step down from the committee for that one. Thank you. And councillor Bagent. I'm a member of Cambridge cycling campaign. Thank you very much and I'm sure councillor Bagent you remember that if you've declared that in your declaration of interest on the website there is actually no need to declare it again but we take your point here. I think it's always wise to make that very clear. Anybody else? Okay right so in this case we'll accept that councillor Thornborough is speaking as a ward councillor on this item. So agenda item three is the application 13 slash 0751 slash cond 15a and 13 slash 0751 slash cond 16a the linear park parcels 15 and 18 play farm development site Cambridge. So please would Julia Briggs who is the senior planning officer introduce the item. Thank you Julia. Thank you chair. I'll just share my screen now. Members just before Julia starts I just want to note that councillor Porra is now online so she'll be part of the discussion but we'll not be able to vote. Thank you. Welcome councillor Porra. Thank you Julia. Thank you chair. So this item encompasses two discharge of condition applications for the layout of a park in the south of play farm development. Condition 15 requires the details of a linear park and condition 16 requiring a local area of play known as a lap and the lap is located within the linear park so they are in the same area. In terms of why this item is brought to committee today officers have reviewed the JDCC terms of reference and we consider the applications are related matters as they are conditions on a reserve matters that was heard by JDCC and that they therefore fall within the JDCC terms of reference and the applications being brought to committee as there are a number of third party objections that are outstanding. So here we have the location plan. The site is identified in the red box sorry I'll just turn my pointer on. The site is identified in the south of play farm so this plan shows the entirety of the play farm development. For context long road is to the top to the north here and books road to the south. The guided bus way cuts through the centre of the site and the local centre hopes and square is in the centre here. So the site is within this red box that we're looking at here. Sorry just a moment. This is a more close up version of the site just for context. Again the site itself is outlined in the red box and just to note the country park here is to the west and there is a super local area equipped area of play in the centre here which is known as a sleep. And I've just also noted the parcels surrounding the park just for context as well. So the play space is located between parcel 15 and 18. These plans are taken from the reserve matters design and access statements for the southern parcels and they show the linear park on this left one here where my cursor is and on the right one it's located here with a little bit of purple colouring to it. And they show the linear park in the context of the wider parcels and it has a role as part of a pedestrianised link through these southern parcels linking this central sleep with and Brooks Road in the south and the country park in the east. This aerial picture shows the site currently. The residential dwellings of the parcels have been constructed and occupied for a number of years. The park has been partially finished so their footpaths finished to a base course level and there is a line of trees that you can maybe just make out along the northern part of the park. Again you can see the sleep here. I think it's known as Cornwall Park and the country park here to the east. I've just highlighted those two areas in this next slide. This is a photograph of what the site currently looks like as well. This is looking from the country park west through and at the end would be the sleep area. So this is the proposed park layout with the local area of play identified here in the blue box. So there has been engagement by the applicant with local residents and with council officers undertaking pre-act with them in 2020 and 2021. And then since the submission of the discharge of condition applications there has been some minor amendments to the scheme to improve the proposals in response to consultee and third party comments. So this includes the removal of a willow tunnel due to maintenance issues and requiring accessible benches and picnic tables. Relocation of a rubbish bin which was located here and is now to be located further away from residential buildings. The inclusion of cycle stands for non-standard cycles in the west here and the replacement of boulders for wooden bollards along this area where the park is adjacent to Baker Lane Road. So do you hear this plan reflects the changes that have been made? That is correct, yes. This is updated. This is the proposed plan. So I just thought I'd show you some close-up versions. There's sort of two halves to the park. This is the western half where you can see Baker Lane so that obviously cuts down the volume of park in this area. I just thought I'd point out cycle parking in the centre here. Again this line of trees which has already been planted and some planting beds to the west here and in the centre over here. And then the section to the east is presented here and I just wanted to point out a few features. So there are planting beds to the centre, to the south and to the east. There are a number of grassed mounds in the park which are shown with these dashed sort of brown lines here and in the centre. There is cycle parking again to the west with the non-stand and cycle parking available. There is a picnic bench here with a park that runs through the park here. The lap consists of a grassed mound with a number of logs which would encourage clambering and balancing for children. A lap is aimed at ages four to six. And there's an associated bench as well for parents or caregivers to sit on while they watch their children play. So there are a number of third party objections that remain outstanding. These are set out fully in the committee report but in summary the objections relate to a lack of transition from urban to rural environment through the park. The objection to the gravel path becoming a thoroughfare and therefore not being safe. The arrangement of features within the open space reduces the amount of open space for children to use. That the mound and logs lap is too structured and should be more informal play and that the planting is not suitable. So the design is supported by the council's landscape officer and the city council open spaces officer. The city council open spaces team will be adopting and maintaining this area. So it is supported because the proposal provides an appropriate mix of grassed areas, trees, planting and mounds for playing for an appropriate mix for the size of the park and its location. Additionally the species of plants provided are species that are well tested in landscape terms and are robust and easy to maintain and will provide interest throughout the year. There is one other element to the proposal. The paths that run through the park are proposed to have patterns within a reason bound gravel. This was something envisaged in the public art delivery plan for parcels 15 to 18 and in the top left hand of the screen you can see an extract from the public art delivery plan explaining that the patterns have been developed based on the form and markings found on items during the site's archaeological excavations. This slide shows the sleep in the centre of the southern parcels also has this same patterning and part of it has been delivered and this is a photo of what that looks like there. So it would tie in with the neighbouring parcel and would act as a measure to draw people from the sleep and then lead them through the linear park to the country park. The application is supported because it complies with the clay farm outline and reserve matters permissions. It meets local plan policy, it meets the requirements of the clay farm play strategy, provides for a range of users within the park design and maintenance requirements are supported by the city council open spaces team and it also provides links to surrounding green areas. So the recommendation is one of approval. That's the end of my presentation. Thank you. Thank you very much Julia for a very clear explanation. Thank you. Right so we now turn to public speakers and we have firstly Mr Joseph Saunders. Thank you. And would you like to make your presentation? You would have three minutes. Are you all speaking separately? So you have three minutes to speak Mr Saunders when you're ready. I think you need to come to the seat in the centre Mr Saunders so that we can pick you up on the microphone. Yes you're on the list Councillor Sutter. Yes thank you. Yes so just to let you know so that you know where you are in your three minutes there's a counter on the screen but don't let that distract you. Just be calm. Would you like to turn the microphone on? It's the button on the right hand side of the two and Lawrence will sort it out for you. Before I start my three minutes, it's far that I'm speaking on behalf of about between 25 and 30 others. There's no way that I will be able to fit into that three minutes all the various opinions from fellow residences but I'll fit in as much as I can. And what I will do is to only select a number of the issues that we wish to be brought to your attention. So don't worry there's the clock will start when you start. Can I start now? Yes. Sorry all I would say is you can get a surprising amount into three minutes if you're concise. So we absolutely take your point but we look forward to hearing what you're saying. Thank you. Sorry my hearing aids come out. Do take time to adjust it. We are largely in favour of the proposals before you. They owe their genesis to the feasibility study we, the Baker Lane community produced in 2020, which itself is based on the design and access statement you approved in 2013. Nevertheless there are elements of the proposals we do oppose but let me be absolutely clear. We only want unnecessary and intrusive elements omitted. As a consequence save capital costs and importantly potential maintenance costs for the council. Compliant with relevant policies though the current proposals may be, they do not enjoy our community support. The emissions we seek do not compromise compliance, they do save money, maintenance costs and capital costs. Accordingly we will be urging the committee to direct the applicant to re-engage with us and resubmit. It has taken us a very long time to reach this point. A month or two longer to achieve consensus is well worth it. Now for example, but not exclusively, the Hogan path in paragraphs 10.3 and 13.2 invites travel from both sides of linear park, something already provided by a Southwell Drive in the square. Its introduction robs the picnic table from being a safe area and turns it into a thoroughfare. The proposal invites mobility dependent to risk navigating the comparatively hazardous combined cycle footpath on the south side, rather than encourage access along the safer north path. The proposal also ruptures the play immunity associated with the proposed mounds by introducing an abrasive hard surface at their immediate base. It is unwelcome. Notwithstanding paragraphs 17.1 five years ago the line of trees illustrated on the landscape drawing were not planted in the position shown on the drawing. There is a gap at plots 207 and 208 because the current line clashes with the edge of the highway and cannot be completed. As a consequence, if the drawing is approved, the existing trees will have to be grubbed out and new saplings positioned correctly to enable a complete line to be achieved. Pity, we want the existing maturing trees to remain. Accordingly, we will work with the applicant to achieve a modified design for this area to reflect the status quo. Paragraf 10.1 finished. Sorry, Mr Stoeders, your time unfortunately is up. Okay, that's fine. I know the rules. We hear your consent. And maybe others can pick up the other points that you had hoped to make. Right. Yes, that's fine, thank you. And I'm sure councillor Thornborough and councillor Slutter will do so. The format now is that the applicant speaks and they have three minutes. And we have Susie Hartus who is joining us online. So if you could just turn your microphone off, Mrs Stoeders. How do I do that? Just press the button again. That's it. Thank you. So the applicant will speak to us for three minutes. Mrs Hartus for joining us. And we'd like to hear your presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Can I just check that you can hear me? Sorry. Yes, we can. Can I just suggest that Mr Stoeders might want... Sorry. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, do go ahead Mrs Hartus. Sorry to interrupt. Thank you. Good morning councillors. My name is Susie Hartus and I am the design and planning manager for Vistree Homes. Thank you for the opportunity.u I can hear you. There is a degree of echo. So if you could just slow down a little bit and maybe come a little bit closer to the microphone, so we don't get any confusion. Thank you. Certainly. My name is Susie Hartus and I am the design and planning manager for Vistree Homes. Thank you for the opportunity to address you today. By way of history to this application, Vistree representatives met with the councillor for the area across the area a number of years ago, who suggested that local residents wanted to change the proposed scheme to make it simpler and user-friendly. Vistorie subsequently met with residents and talked through what they wanted. Our landscape architecture then came up with new proposals which were subject of extensive consultation with both residents and the local authority. Unfortunately the views of counsel officers do not quite align with the aspirations of the residents vision for the area. We believe this final scheme represents an appropriate compromise, taking into account all views and the need to ensure that the space is appropriately designed for future communities, as well as those who currently use it. The current proposals provide an appropriate and attractive area of public open space which accords with local planning policy, the design code and the place strategy. Accordingly I invite you to support your officer's recommendation of approval. Thank you. Thank you very much, Ms Harness. We will now come to councillor Slatter. He is the tempting ward councillor for the Council. Would you like to come to the speaker and see where the public speaker is? Thank you, Counsellor Slatter! Thank you. Thank you Chair! Mae'r cyfnodd fydd o gweithio'r llunio ar y llunio gweithio gweithio yng ngyngh-gwrth yng Nghymru yn gyllidio'r llunio arall arall â'r gyferd y Llywodraeth Caeligol. Y gwasanaeth ar y parkau, y Llywodraeth Bacall, rydyn ni'n rhan o'r gweithio ar y 2018. Rydyn ni'n gydawodd i'r gweithio arall ar y 2016. sy'n meddwl felly, ac rwy'n gweithio'r ysbytyd yn gwneud. Mae'r gynhyrch amser ac yn ysbytyddol iawn nesaf, yn ymdagedig, ac yn ymddydd o'r rhain, ond mae'r rhaglenau ffwrdd yn gwneud yn ysbytyd, yn cael ei wneud arddangos ymdyn nhw. Rwy'n cael ei wneud yn cael ei wneud. Rwy'n ceisio'r ysbytydd, rydyn ni'n ceisio'n ceisio'n ceisio'n ceisio, there is an opportunity here, which I hope that we can seize. Five years have seen many households come and go and a lot of babies born. Toddlers who have learnt to walk in our quiet cul-de-sac, you've noted that purple bit on the map that is a cul-de-sac which we hope in due course we can even submit as a possible play street. So bear that in mind in our quite cul-de-sac. And many children have progressed from scooters to balance bikes, from cycling to school dda'i sgwrdd y clywch. Mae'r gyflym iawn gyda Chwail eich phrefai yn y llwyddiadau pethau. Roeddwn ni'n cynllun o bunkart mewn gwaith a moffarau cychwynd ei wneud yma i ddweud eich gyda'r cyffordd honno lleolol i'r cyfriddur i'r brif. Be'r brifau'r cyfriddiad oedd ymweld ymddir i'r cyfriddur i'r cyfriddur sy'n ddogfod â'i gwyser fyddiol yma. Rwy'n gwneud hwnnw hwnnw i chi, dgwydden nhw Fullwyrodr Hallu, Mae erbyn gweithio i gweithio'r cyfnoddau i ddiwedd ar gyfer y cyfnoddau i ddiweddau i gydagrwyddiadau, ac mae'r cyfnoddau o gweithio i gyrdeithasol o'r cyfnoddau ar gyfer y cyfnoddau eich gweithio i ddiweddau. Mae'r gweithio'r creffrance yw'r gweithio'r gwaith, mae'r gwahodau yw'r gweithio i ddweudio'r gweithio, a fyddwch i'r rhaid i gyfnod, byddwch yn ei wneud i gyd o bwysig, gyda'r cyfnod hyn yn hynny, maen nhw'n cymddiadau. Mae fyddwch yn unig yn gwneud i'r cyfnod gwell yn bwysig, ond mae rhan o'r cyfnod yn gallu i'r cyfnod. Felly wrth yw'r ffordd, oedd ymdweud y gweithredu gyda'r cyfnod yma yw'r cyfnod yn bwysig i'r cyfnod yma i gyfnod y cyfnod ac mae'n cyfeirio'r cyfrwyr o'r cyfnod. Gazebos sy'n gweithio yn cyfrifio ar y dyfodol, ac mae'r ffilm ffordd yn cynutul. Mae'r lluniau sy'n gweithio'n gwroedd â ddechrau. Mae'r ffordd yn ymddangos, yn fwy gynig o'i gweithio ar y cyfrifio ar gyfer o'r cyfrifio cyfrifio ar gyfer o'r gweithio ar y dyfodol. Mae'n gweithio ar y cyfrifio. Mae'n wneud i gweithio ar y gweithio ar gweithio ar y cyfrifio ac y lluniau. Mae'n gweithio'r llif yn ymddangos ar gyfer y dyfodol yn y mewn ysbrenadol yn yw'r gweld iawn, ac mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'n gwybod y mae'n ei gwybod yn ei gweithio'r gweld iawn. Mae hynny'n gweithio ddaeth o'i gwybodaethau a'r dwyloedau i'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'r gwyl yn y ffordd o gyflwyniadau. Mae'n gweithio i gyd â wneud i gael gyflyniadau i'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. there was a growing body of knowledge in the city council and elsewhere and experience of creating habitats for wildlife woven in to building homes for people. And more acceptance of their importance by the public. Back in 2013 when this management plan was written, wildflower areas were a bit fringe. But now they're commonplace. ddaeth yn sylfa'r holl y myld iawn, niech i'i ddau'r banc Des vendesion ar ysgolion cyngorau i'r cymdeithasol gweithio i'r llaw o gerddau ar y deill o'r ysgolion Cyngorol o gyfrifiadau i final o'r ffordd o'r h�au sydd yma i'r cyfrifiadau ar y recordau'r hynny o'r rechydig. O'r oeddo i'r cyfrifiadau a'r cyfrifiadau ar y cyfrifiadau cyrifatיזio, o'r ddwybiadau yn yma i gyfnod o'r eistedd i ddweud y L Monsieurie Cymru. Rydych chi'n meddylch yn yma i gyfnod o'r gwreidio cyffredig arlaeddol, a'u gwneud o gael o gael i'r gael. Mae'r llawiau hefyd yn bwysig ar gyfer y Dade, rydych chi'n gwneud i gyd yn deiligio'r lleol ar gyfer y brifysgol ffordd. Rwy'n fyddo i'r lleol i'r lleol i'ch bod i'r lleol i ddechrau'r lleol neu'n byw.該wch. It will be great to have some seating as on the plan set on hard standing for use early around. Obviously, this is to be constructed a recycled materials which will not need maintenance perhaps from the good coronation range that's offered by some of these firms. We should learn from the experience of the wooden of the wooden furniture installed nearby in Cornwall Avenue which rotted beyond repair and has already had to be replaced. There are some habitats for fungi and so on we don't really want to create here. The grass area outlined in the plan should be left clear of obstacles as it is now. It looks unreasonable to us to limit its play provision to a mound with logs for four to six year olds. We do not want to lose this flexible space which residents of all ages have enjoyed together in so many ways. Are you coming to a close, Chancellor? Are you coming to a close? Yes, I am indeed. Yes, I'm coming to your close. In fact, 19.2 does not aim high enough. The scheme provides a part layout and lap that meets the requirements of the outline playing strategy. I suggest that play strategy is out of date and we know better now and we can do better with some conditions which I hope will be possible for you to create now or very soon because we look forward to having it landscaped. If it is decided that has been proposed, I'm not quite sure what Chancellor Thornbrugh is going to say, but if it is proposed to hand it over sooner rather than later, together with the money that the developer has spent on creating what is in the plan, then I'm sure it will be in good hands with the City Council who will have a good record of consultation and response on Barron Square in Trumpeter. Thank you. Thank you very much, Chancellor Sutter. Next, we'll ask Councillor Thornbrugh, who is, as we described speaking, as a previous local member for the area. Do you want to just turn it on? Just check it's working. Thank you. Okay, so you have three minutes. Well, as long as you like, actually, as with Chancellor Sutter, but obviously I appreciate yes, Chancellor Smart. I hate to interrupt. I'm sure Chancellor Thornbrugh won't mind, but the speaking time for all public speakers should be three minutes. I presume you use your chair's discretion for the previous speaker. No, I was asked that myself, but in fact we allow local councillors, there is no limit on how long the local member speaks. I've given that flexibility to Chancellor Sutter and I will do the same for Councillor Thornbrugh. Councillor Smart. I am aware that City Planning Committee gives them limited time to speak. I'm using JDCC terms here, Martyn. I'm referring to the terms of reference for ADCC and all public speakers, or if it's having three minutes including Councillor Sutter. Also, we can't hear you because your microphone is somewhat behind your laptop, but I understand. I asked the same thing, Councillor Smart. Shall I repeat what I said? But I understand councillors are not timed when they're speaking as local members. I checked with our committee coordinator. Chair, you're correct. We've never timed ward councillors when they've spoken, but I look forward to your JDCC in the past as well, don't you? This is for councillors. We don't time them. Councillor Thornbrugh. I think the delay in delivering this obligation is an opportunity as Councillor Sutter sets out. This is the second opportunity in this area. The community garden was very late. The residents got involved in a design that suited them, and another application was put in, and the delivery of that site was carried out as a community gardening scheme. I think we have lessons to learn from this for future big developments that the landscaping opportunities with involvement of the community is very important because it engages them. They feel ownership. The children can be involved in actually delivering on the plants and understanding the process, and they take possession of the space, and that is a fundamental desire for us in being involved in place-making. This scheme is so very close to being what meets the residents' requirements. We've gone through a lot of change during the pandemic process and after the pandemic process. Those lessons are very important, and I think the residents are asking for their lessons to be incorporated. I agree that this scheme is very, very close to being there. I don't really know how to suggest this could go forward. I think that the actual delivery of the detail needs to be done as community projects, and this is carried out elsewhere in Cambridge where we have an opportunity. So I think the scheme should possibly be resubmitted with clearer areas for community planting and final detailing, or it may be that there could be, I don't know if you can condition a condition to say that there are these community opportunities for the residents to be involved, or it should be informative, but this is a real opportunity. There are small things that are actually being asked for, but they're actually big things in people's lives, so I just want to leave that at that. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor Thornborough. I'm just going to take two minutes for a moment if you would bear with me. I'll start with the strategic sites development manager, Philippa Kelly. If she can just place this in the context of this planning application, I can hear the requests from the residents and the councillors. I think it's important that we understand where we are in the planning process. Thank you. Well thank you. That's a new one for me using my swipe card to gain access to the microphone. Thank you, chair. I think yes, it will be very helpful if I explain a little bit about the context and the planning applications before us so you can understand what isn't possible to secure through discharge of condition planning applications, because these are quite unusual applications to come before JDCC for determination. Discharge of condition applications relate to the details. The principle of the open spaces has already been established through the outline planning commissions, as we've heard some time ago, and these two conditions before us relate to the details of the LAP and the linear park. Clearly there's been a lot of positive engagement taking place to date, but whilst recognising the cause for further updates or maybe conditions put on the decision, that's not possible. We don't put on conditions on discharge of condition decisions, it's simple approval of details. So that's not within the scope of our remit. I think it's also just worth making the point that what we see before us needs to be determined and schemes are considered acceptable in planning terms. So I just wanted to pop that there. I'm happy to take further questions and points of clarification about the actual process, but hopefully that's helpful for those questions. Thank you very much. I just wanted to establish that principle before we go on, and we will be going on to questions from members. So we've got several hands up. Councillor Smart, Councillor Richard Williams, and Councillor Cahn so far. It's Councillor Smart. So I should know this, I suppose, but I'm new on this committee-ish. So Councillor Poror is joining us online. Is she going to engage in a debate? As I said, at the outset, Councillor Smart, Councillor Poror is joining us online so she can take part in the debate, but she's not able to vote. Can I finish my point? I just wanted to check that that's okay, because I mean, our terms of reference, as I referred to earlier, out of date, and the statute for meeting a person for this committee was a year after our terms of reference are dated, so they don't make reference to that, but I presume that she can take part in the debate, which might sway our decision-making when she's not in person with us. Councillor Smart, as I said, we are quarat, we have three of each of councils in the room. Councillor Poror is entitled to take part in the debate online, but because she's not in the room, she cannot vote. Are you clear on that? I'm clear on my point, Chair. I think you might find that your legal officer is considering my point. Mr Barber, would you like to advise us? Yeah, thank you, Chair. This was something that was considered before we met today, and Councillor Poror has been told she can participate in the debate if she wishes, but she cannot vote, and she is fully aware of that constraint. Thank you, Mr Barber. Confirming the point I made right at the beginning of the meeting. Was there another question you wished to ask, Councillor Smart? No, those were both of them. Thank you very much. Lovely. Thank you very much. Councillor Richard Williams. Thank you, Chair. It's just a point following off what we were told a moment ago, and it would certainly help me to clarify this at this point. We had the officer's presentation, which had nothing in the column for material reasons to object or to refuse the application, and from what Ms Kelly has just said, we can't attach conditions to a conditional discharge, so I'm slightly struggling in my head to see what discretion we have in this case. I would welcome some clarity on whether it is our legal officers, or our officers' opinion in general. Are there any grounds upon which we could reject this? Thank you. Ms Kelly, would you perhaps answer that? Certainly. So, there are no material planning reasons not to support these applications before us. The only scope I can see that we could offer is an informative on the decisions for these discharge of conditional applications, an informative to advise the applicant or to encourage the applicant, or any future, I suppose, the council who will be ultimately taking on the management and maintenance of these spaces, to encourage the ASON dialogue with the community, community engagement regarding any forthcoming plans for further updates, or as these spaces evolve over time, and just to ensure that the community is kept informed about any future plans for these spaces. But it would only be an informative, that's all within our powers. So, the options that we have available to us to answer Councillor Richard Williams' question further is either to discharge, not to discharge, or to add an informative. Yeah, okay. Councillor Richard Williams, do you come back? Yeah, just come back on that. On that option of not discharge, if we decide don't discharge, we don't have any material planning rules to make that decision, aren't we just gifting an appeal with costs against us for saying there's no reasonable ground to reject this? So that's not really an option I'm hearing. The option is in the mix to either push for further discussions on these applications, mindful that it's very likely that the developer, the applicant could appeal to the planning inspectorate for a non-determination, or within your gift to refuse the applications, contrary to our office of recommendation within the committee report. So there are technically a number of options. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much, and Councillor Khan. It is proposed that the park be managed by the City Council after afterwards. How many of the proposals of both the objectives could actually be done under permitted development once the land is taken over by the City Council? For instance, could you add seats without planning permission? The land forming, I presume, would require planning permission. What things could the planting, I presume, would not require planning permission? How much could you adapt it afterwards without planning permission? I think there's quite wide scope. We see this on a lot of our offer for the City Council. You see how open spaces evolve. I'm thinking of something like Lamestland, where you've seen biodiverse areas being added, wildflower planting. All of this is within the scope of the authority to undertake. However we need to ensure, though, is that the applicant satisfies the terms of the Outline Planning Commission by ensuring that all those conditions are discharged, two of which are before you today. That includes the plan, does it not? For example, one of the things that was raised was that it would be really disappointing if the currently planted trees were deemed to be not in the right place and had to be moved. Can we do something by means of an informative to say that trees that have already been planted and are established should be left wherever possible, something of that sort? I'm going to ask Julia, sorry to throw you in there, Julia, to just clarify the point on the tree planting because the applicant will need to fulfil the requirements of the amended scheme. Could you explain how that relates to those trees that were referred to? Sure, through you chair. My understanding is that where the trees have been planted is the same as what is proposed in the plan, so is my understanding that there won't be removal of those trees? I don't know whether the applicant could provide or clarify that as well. So, Ms Hartus, can you clarify whether the trees are in your view in the same position as they are on the revised plan? Is Ms Hartus still with us? No, I'm asking the applicant. Mr Saunders, I'm asking the applicant. Thank you. Thank you, Ms Hartus. Do you want to clarify about that? Yes, I'm just asking the question of someone else who is here, who knows a little better than me. If you could give me 30 seconds, I will be able to clarify that. Okay, we'll come back to you shortly. Thank you. I suppose my question is what we're hearing is a wish from the residents to do something softer and not quite so structured as what is proposed and is there flexibility within the delivery of this plan if we put an informative on to deliver the plan in a way that collaborates with the residents in some way to a degree, you know, how much flexibility is there? Sorry, I just want to answer the question first, please. I would caution against it and that we should be making a decision on the details as before you today rather than requiring further amendments and updates which could unduly delay further determination of this application. I don't think there's scope within any issue of the decision to be subject to more changes. We have to approve the scheme as submitted. Thank you. Councillor Stobart. Thank you. I just want to pick up on your point about flexibility and I appreciate a comment from the strategic sites delivery manager but could one of those informatives be around governance and management? I mean what we heard from the residents was and this lovely picture of an emerging community, children growing up and placing different demands on this space. So, you know, the notion of a community that's looking after each other's children, you can see from this plan and in that sense it's quite encouraging but in any space like this there will be a change as the children grow up. I'm just wondering where the teenagers are going to hang out and that kind of thing. And so this will always be a changing space and I think it's only the local residents will be able to define what that is. You know, I just look at it and I see that lovely mound with the logs and I think my granddaughters would absolutely love to play on that but I'm not a resident so my granddaughters don't live there. So it's down to the residents to decide I think the shape of this and so there has to be that to great flexibility. I'm wondering if in an informative that just the scene could be set. I think my feeling is that we are obliged to decide on the plans in front of us. So as has been pointed out, if we refuse we would almost certainly and quite reasonably be subject to a completely unnecessary appeal in my view. So actually what we can do is I would suggest consider whether we feel that we can approve the scheme as it is with an informative that clarifies how we would like the applicant to continue to engage with the residents as far as possible but that this is the scheme that will be delivered. Ms Kelly, can you advise us how best we might frame such an informative? I think members need to be aware that the applicant is fulfilling its requirements under the planning regulations by submitting these details but ultimately once these details are approved in accordance with a management and maintenance strategy these areas will be transferred over to the city council's responsibility. So the questions that you're raising are probably no different from other local residents in communities in our new community developments where they're hoping that these sites will evolve as the needs of the local communities evolve. It's really more the question for the streets of open space team that those people that are responsible for the longer term management maintenance of these spaces. I mean I think it's not really within the scope of the planning decisions to control that because it's not the applicant that will be delivering the long term management of these spaces. Councillor Smith. Sorry, Councillor Smith, I've accidentally leapfrogged Councillor Hawking. Sorry, can I take her first? Thank you. I was just waiting in peace. I was holding on waiting in peace for my time. I think this is a good example for both communities and developers really. Engaging with the community is important especially in a case like this where this has been languishing for five years now and to bring an application to us that is not complete is not quite there as the community has said surely it could have waited maybe another month or something. It is frustrating but we as a planning committee have an obligation to look at what's in front of us now and determine it on material grounds. We don't have a choice. All I can say is that the applicant should you know as has been explained I mean with the informative yes maybe something that can be done going forward or maybe they can even come back with a variation of condition right but right now unfortunately we don't have a choice but to determine this based on what's in front of us. Everything else we're saying now we're just square rounded circles. Thank you. Thank you very much. Councillor Smith. Yes, can we just get out of the loop? I think we've established that this this application needs to be determined. We cannot condition a condition for the precary put in front dangled in front of us the idea of a condition and then I think rode back on it so I just want to ask you sorry an informative so well okay so then in that case then what we need to focus a discussion on is what what would what what could be put into a formative as part of decision making in relation to this application. It seems to me that that cannot relate to matters of substance relating to the proposal but it might do to issues of habitat and the tree planting and I don't know whether the scope of an informative could go any further than that so I think it'd be useful to define the scope of what what would be possible within an informative discuss that and then we perhaps get to making a decision. Yes and my request was if you remember the applicants were simply asking for omissions from the proposed plan so I'm just wondering whether you can advise us what what's within the scope of the informative. No I think I think I would stand by the suggestion of an informative to be worded along the lines of the encouraging the applicant to actively involve local residents and community groups in the future consideration of management maintenance issues and the evolution of these spaces. That's an excellent suggestion. Councillor Smart. Sorry to be difficult chair, just a bit perplexed why we're not putting questions to the case officer. So why aren't you putting questions to the case officer? She is the person in charge here. Because the questions are of a sort of technical procedural nature which seems appropriate for the strategic sites development management to answer. With all due respect sir I think the case officer knows what an informative is. Councillor Fagin, do you have a question? Oh Councillor Fagin sorry, misunderstood. I don't know whether you're ready to move on to the debate. Just before we do that. We are already in debate. Whether you want to just consider going back to Mrs Hartus who was left with a question in relation to the trees but I think there's time to come back to that. It's quite clear to me that I will vote to discharge conditions 15 and 16. It's pretty clear to me that I have actually no option but to do that. I am however like I think other members of this committee very keen to accommodate the views of the local residents and indeed of their councillors to the extent that that is possible and just to be specific some of them would like to see the proposal for a mound with logs as I think was described by the councillor removed. I suspect we can't do that because that is an LAP. Some would like to see the hard path next to what is shown as a picnic table and of course these things can change removed for the safety of children. I don't know whether we can do that. It seems to me a matter of the surfacing of that path and the third matter which I referred to earlier that I'm prepared to take up is the question of the existing trees. The residents want to retain the existing trees. It's very hard to see any reason why anyone should want to remove them and I would hope that any informative that we may attach because we can't attach conditions would take account at least of those three items on that basis and in the trust that that can be done and that flexibility can be left for this to be managed in conjunction with city council in the future for instance to include plants or insects and so on in more informal planting in the future then I am prepared now to take the officer's recommendation and to vote in favour. Thank you very much. Can we just come back to Ms Hartus and ask whether whether it's and I'm sorry about the noises of drilling off that's in the building here. Could you just clarify whether it's your understanding that the trees might be left where they are if they are not in the positions that they were on the plan or if indeed they are in the positions that they were depicted on the plan? I have been desperately looking for plans whilst you've been speaking. I can't say definitively if the trees are in the same place as the proposed plans but what I would say is it's in no one's interest including us to remove trees that already exist and if unless there are technical reasons why they have to move we I would be happy to commit here to keeping those if there are no technical reasons for them to move such as easements or what have you. Great thank you very much. So can reference to the trees be included in the informative in other words a reference to retaining existing trees wherever possible? Chair I'm becoming conscious that this informative is getting rather long. Well I can see the the draft of it in front of me so it is getting rather long and what worries me and I'm sure I know you're all aware that an informative is just that there is no compulsion a compulsion on an applicant to to meet it. I think you need reminding of that. So let's not make it too complex. I would just add once I'm speaking that I believe you have all now taken on board that there are no planning grounds to turn this one down today and that an appeal against a refusal is quite likely and the council would be in a very difficult position to defend it because there are no material planning grounds to refuse it. So with that I will I'll stop there. I hope I haven't made matters more complex for you. Thank you Mr Barber. I think we understood that we recognise that an informative is just that it's only an informative. Did you want to speak? Thank you chair. I've just been comparing the plans with the existing trees and I can't see any discrepancy in the positions. I just wanted to let you know that I've undertaken that exercise. That's really helpful. So the trees currently planted appear to be in the same places as they are on the proposed plan. So can I suggest we move on to does anybody sorry council did so we can we were still in debate would you get so we can have comment further comment but I'd quite like to move this forward but just just very quickly is there because there's supposed to be a drain that's supposed to be provided is there an easement that allows that to be done? Yes Bricks. Through you chair. Yeah, I believe from the plans there is an existing drain which has an easement but I have checked with the landscape officer and they are happy that the position of the trees the the easement goes a little way under the canopy but is not in a position where those trees would need to be removed if that easement needed to be accessed. Yes, so I have checked those plans with the landscape officer and they're happy that the trees are in an acceptable position in relation to the easement. Thank you miss Bricks. Councillor Cohn. I've simply wanted to comment. I mean that as Councillor Fane has commented this is supposed to be a left and this will be presumably very small children who need to be very close to houses and definitely what's what distance and the having having an open space for a large kickback is perhaps not the best for the this age group therefore I see that but I would also comment that we ought to bear in mind that this is immediately next to a country park where people with a large open space where people can kick back to their hearts content and I suspect that maybe while the people are objecting about this they might actually find the proposal is more convenient than what they are suggesting. Thank you very much. So I haven't seen more hands up. I'd like to propose that we move forward to a decision. Thank you. So that's seconded by Councillor Hawkins and I would propose my proposal is that we approve the submission of details with perhaps an informative which perhaps Councillor Miss Kelly can describe and we don't need to refer to the trees because that's already been addressed that they are in the right place. So could you just give us the wording of the informative? I certainly chair so an informative worded along the lines of the applicant being encouraged to actively involve local residents and community groups in the future considerations of management maintenance and evolution of these spaces but with a precise wording to be agreed by officers in consultation with the chair and vice chair at this committee. Thank you very much. I'd be very happy with that Councillor. Well this would be handed over to the city council so indeed with the city council's responsibility to continue to engage rather than the applicant. Thank you. City council do that anyway. I mean we have a plan to promote the group biodiversity on an open spaces so we'll do that anyway. We can include that. We can incorporate that into the informative. So members with that proposal can I just see who is in favour of that proposal and that's unanimous. Thank you very much members and thank you very much to the members of the public for attending and for making your views clear and for enabling us to understand the evolution of the site even better. Thank you very much. Can we just we will take a five minute break now just so that we can welcome to the residents who've thank you very much. So we'll reconvene at just after quarter two. Thank you. Thank you members for reconvening. We're now on we're back in the joint development control committee on Wednesday the 19th of July following a pause. We're on agenda item four which is a pre application developer briefing for Springstead Village land north of Cherryhinton, Culldoms Lane, Cambridge and we're looking at reserved matters of sorry it's a reserved matters application sorry we are considering the pre application presentation for a reserved matters application for appearance landscape layout and landscape for 135 residential units and associated car parking, cycle parking and landscaping. This item is a public briefing but I'm going to ask the legal advisor to say a few words about member conduct please. Thank you chair. It's just the usual reminder for you all that please keep your questions open and avoid expressing any opinions on what you hear and see today so that we don't find we're tripped up on bias or predetermination topics. I think that's all I really need to say. Thank you. So this is not for discussion. We're entitled to ask questions of clarification only and I'll repeat we should not be expressing any opinions about the application. So these can the principal planning officer Rebekah Ward introduce this pre application proposal and my script says please can the developers now introduce themselves and their colleagues assisting with the presentation but I think we need to take we'll introduce you when we've had the presentation from Rebekah Ward if that's okay. Thank you Ms Ward. Thank you Anna so there's not a particular presentation but just a few words from me today. So on this site we granted outline planning permission back in 2020 and since then we've been working with Bellway Latimer on developing details of the outline consent so we saw the design code approved along with the first reserve matters application for the first homes and infrastructure last year and then earlier this year as well and we've now moved on to the next parcel which is called rma4 and like previous schemes we have a planning performance agreement in place with the developer setting out the key milestones and so for this particular parcel the developers are looking to submit in August with the hopeful determination in November and we've had a series of design workshops over the past couple of months with our internal and external consultees and so they've really helped start to shape this particular parcel and we also had a really interesting quality panel meeting last week. What sets this parcel apart from the parcels we've seen already so we've got a custom build element to this parcel which the developers will take you through their proposals on this and yeah the majority of the parcel is for residential on this particular parcel there's no kind of commercial aspect to it so I'll hand over to David and Alexis and present the details and they can answer kind of any questions after that as well. Thank you very much Miss Ward and we've got David Fletcher welcome again from Stratton Parker, Alexis Butterfield from I believe the Architects, Pollard Thomas Edwards and Ulrifan Ek from Bellway Latimer who are the developers so thank you very much and can I remind you gentlemen we've got 20 minutes for you to present and that will allow about 20 to 25 minutes for questions from the members thank you do go ahead David. Perfect thank you chairman and good to be back at joint development control committee again seeing some familiar faces but also good to see some new faces on the committee as well. I'll take this slide very quickly because I think Rebecca's covered this in some detail but I think for a lot of members who have been on committee for a while will know we've had a number of different applications go to committee over the last 12 months starting with the section 73 application but followed quickly with our sitewide design guides and approval for our first three phases all of which we've started building on site at the moment. I sort of feel like every time I'm here I'm referencing the awards that we've been nominated for which I feel a bit like Homstead and Alexis Fonda because he is the lead architect who's done a lot of the work to get us the nominations but just to mention the top one was actually a joint award which was put forward between the shared planning service and ourselves which we were particularly proud of and just to give a very brief overview just in terms of I guess the you know the key sort of cornerstone of all the parcels that are coming forward which is really embedded in the sitewide design code I won't I won't go through all of this in in a huge amount of detail but we set a lot of real key principles around prioritising walking and cycling some really sort of good work around the design of cycle storage. We've got a planning condition which requires a 10 improvement against part L of the building regulations on the first phase we achieved a reduction of over 60% consistent with that we're looking at a very similar proposal on on this parcel so all dwellings being being fitted with S or seat pumps would be very committed to reduction in in energy and the sort of zero carbon agenda on this on this site from the outside outset and every street really being planned to have walking neighbourhoods towards public open spaces which is all very much embedded within the within the design code. This is our sort of compliance checklist again I won't dwell on this but effectively we've got a checklist within the design code so for every phase this one included we're very much going back to ensuring that we we are addressing all the key points within the design code as I say a particular interest for this phase is is the need for custom builds so what we've what we've done to date we've looked at our obligation on a site-wide level so we had quite detailed discussions with the the the share planning service about where's the most appropriate location for self-custom build have been the site this is the first phase that they're they're being delivered it's a really interesting one from from Bellway Latimer's perspective because this is actually one of the first time within the country they'll be delivering custom build units but that's a sort of real commitment from them to make this work and actually this potentially being a really a good example for custom build that can be rolled out potentially on other in other locations and then just to give a brief overview in terms of the site in terms of where we're at so members will see on that what was the the east side or the the right side of the plan that was rma2 and rma3 so they were our first phases so they they're the phases that were currently on site with adjacent to Cherry Hinton Road the the the parcel that's subject to the to the briefing today is on the other side of the site so it's the Culldoms Lane side which if members can just about make it out it's rma4 which is in the red colour it's adjacent to the to the western homes development which was relatively recently completed. Any other junction with Culldoms Lane? Yes exactly yeah and I'll I'll hand over to Alexis to pick up a bit. Absolutely and then just to find the why leave this slide you'll notice the large yellow area that threads all of these different residential and sorry you need to move your mic thank you my apologies if you if you look at the plan you can see the the yellow areas which thread all of these different development parcels together that's that that was the infrastructure application which also as well as the the new streets the main streets also includes the main green spaces which are in the development as well so then the smaller parcels that are within this then also then deliver other green spaces but they're not part of that but that that wider green strategy so just to quickly take you through the what those different phases are looking like so this is our first work that we did so first of all around the sales and marketing area where we've got nine show homes which will become permanent homes after the end of the sales and construction process as well as the temporary sales pavilion which is and all of this is almost complete on site then. We've got the residential parcel first residential parcel of rma3 and this is just some images of what that of what those look like it's it's all low-rise buildings and essentially what we're trying to do is make sure that we have buildings that really sort of address streets and address street corners and things like that and those are all very much what was picked up what was some highlights in the design code when we produced it. All the streets also have things like street trees so as David was saying this is our area you can hopefully see on the left hand side over this image of rma3 sorry rma4 and you can see that it's split into two one larger area to the south and then a small sort of triangular areas the north but it's all part of the one parcel split by the by the primary street network which is part of the infrastructure. The design code highlighted this area as what we call the parkside character area and essentially this is the area that is going to be connecting that in the long term will connect to future development on the airport site so it was quite important that we thought about how we were addressing that frontage and how we were creating these sort of these street frontages and street networks that would then eventually link through to whatever comes of that so that's quite an important aspect to this in terms of the the other elements that are in this diagram is we used it to make sure we were highlighting things like say important street corners and also focal point buildings as well and then we also provided diagrams like this just to show an indication of the kind of scale and form of these streets and of the way that the different types of buildings would come together so in this case showing how different types of flats houses and masonets will come together to create these sort of street fronting homes and a varied roof form as well. David was just pointing out that one of the really exciting things about this phase of the project is that we have our first of our custom build homes and this diagram is just to show with those asterisks those red asterisks as you can see at the moment two different areas highlighted for the custom build homes it's going to be further areas as well this is just to show where we're planning on those first homes to appear essentially in this phase and then in the up in the in the upcoming phase which will be at the at the village centre at the village green as part of the local centre and market square. So the next slide I'm sorry just to talk to you about the other design principles that we're using for the project the first one is that as I say we've got quite a lot of landscape and street infrastructure which is pushing as part of the infrastructure applications and here you can see how the red line areas which are the two parts of rma4 are then linked together with these blue arrows and essentially these form the main parts of the street network which are the links back to the the surrounding areas and particularly to the green spaces so what we want to do is make a sort of clear route through so particularly for walking cycle to connect the landscape together then the next part really of our thinking is about making those kind of strong frontages that are envisaged in the code so it's highlighting important buildings frontages and corners and then thinking also not just about creating the frontage from front doors and and and windows overlooking those streets but also where we might have tall buildings as well and use height to create some interest so here we're just showing in those yellow areas where we're using where we're using additional height to create focal points particularly at entrances to streets and then behind that we have a network of small streets with smaller homes which is sort of the range around users and lanes and they provide also small squares of parking which are integrated into the street network and the green network and again that's something that was very important at the coding stage to make sure we didn't have the sort of large and rear parking courts and things like that and then last but not least it's sort of threading back all of the the landscape features that we want to have throughout the site particularly what we want to do is make sure as much as possible that we have landscape that sort of runs through the site rather than just having isolated pockets of trees or planting and so you can see here in particular we've got a number we've got a very strong east west feature in the in the in the in the streets there and you'll see that in the more detailed in street trees and you'll see that in the more detailed plans coming up the we've got a a mix of typologies which is a set up in the design code and it's a mixture of flat blocks and here you can see how flat blocks are arranged on the corners and I say that gives us an opportunity to have additional heights and things we then have terraced houses that link between those flat blocks and face onto the primary streets and the primary green spaces and then behind that we have smaller houses smaller terraces so we've detached and detached homes which are set behind that and that gives us a kind of pretty good mix of one two three four bed homes across the site as they're using we're trying to use quite quite creatively to make sure we create a really kind of varied roof line and not have sort of blocky groups of particularly of larger buildings so we have relatively small pop-ups in this case four storey buildings then going down to three storey and two storey. In 10 years we've been working with the housing officers to develop our 10-year plans and our 10 years make sure that we have got clusters of no more than the 24 homes which is what's required in our outline approval and also that we've got affordable homes in each area of the site which again is quite important to us. I won't bore you with the detail of this but essentially we're still working through the very detailed level of the schedule of accommodation just making sure that we've got a really good mix at the moment we're just working with the officers to see how we can adjust the mix between four bed and three bed homes. Walking and cycling we have developed these plans for all of the different of servicing aspects of the scheme but in this case just showing you where the walking and cycling stalls are. Essentially the strategy is that for each of the flat blocks we have a cycle store which is directly adjacent to the main entrance to the block. For each of the homes we have a secure store as well as a cycle stand at the entrance to the home and that gives again a really good flexible way of using using bicycles and promoting them. Again that's also a really just reflection of the design code. Car parking is integrated on-plot for all of the homes and that keeps the parking on the street and then street parking is for visitors. The servicing refuge strategy we've been having meetings with the servicing and refuge officers and the development strategy where we're able to collect all the bins directly off the street but not have kind of been cluttered so that they're done so that the stalls are perfectly consumed. We're benefiting in doing this project in the fact that we've already bought a phase to you and had feedback from you. It was very positive but also there were comments about doing certain things like at the RA3 stage we had I think sort of 92 93 percent dual aspect homes in this scheme listening to comments that came through. Can you increase that? We've actually now increased that to 100 percent dual aspect which has been a lot of work from everybody but it's really worthwhile. The density is slightly higher in this quarter reflecting in closer to the city and closer to the future airport and again that's reflected in the code. We've got more tree planting in this phase than we originally intended which is really great and we've been able to work with our landscape architects in this lake to do that. As I say the big change I suppose for us in this has been a lot of focuses to the custom homes next and we've just generally been able to increase the amount of soft landscaping that was originally proposed and reduce the amount of earth movement that's being required on the scheme which again feels like a world plus. Built for a layout you've got all your sense I think from the previous images but essentially we're looking at gable buildings whether there's flats or houses and what we want to do is make flats and houses and the Masonettes all work together in a single coherent design. So how that works in more detail is that the apartment buildings are broken down in their form so that the roof forms don't become too very predominant and then those form the key features around the corners and entrances into the other parts of the street that work and give you sort of broken points. We then connect them with the tourist homes and again we're looking at the detail of the roof forms at the moment. The idea is we've got a varied roof forms around that edge and that's a mixture of two or three storey family homes and Masonettes and then finally we've got our smaller homes which are set behind that and new homes and they form small lanes which interconnect between the frontage and the surrounding landscape. The other thing I'll just notice on this drawing is on the top left hand corner you can see a group of tourist homes which form the customer homes which we'll get into soon. We've talked about the parking squares being integrated into the public well and rather than being rear parking courts and this is a good example of one where we've got a parking square which is lined on all sides by homes and front doors and also incorporates tree planting and that's been quite an important aspect to how we've been thinking about going to say all the parking on the development. Say all of the apartments and Masonettes but your aspect is just a typical small block plan to show you how that works and especially the cycles and things. And then just an example of the type of typologies we're using. A lot of these typologies are already present within runway three but we say we've also now got our custom build homes which are the homes on the bottom left hand corner those nine. The material strategy is following on from runway three with a mixed palette of materials put on at the brick and using a varied palette to create a sense of place and particularly where we've got focal points. And then this is just an example of a cutaway section just showing how all those different materials and forms start to work together in detail thinking about in this case a flat block and how all of the different balconies and roofs and entrances are integrated. Can I just check are you coming to a close and does Mr Van Eyck wish to speak as well? I will be finishing very soon. I can finish in a couple of minutes. I do want to quickly take Does Mr Van Eyck wish to speak as well? No. No okay righto that's fine thank you to carry on. And but we're looking, we're heading towards the end. So we've, and then let's just solve the details of those materials coming through in the detail design for all this. We have public space, the public space strategy for runway four is where it plugs into the wider site wide green spaces that we're providing so obviously those are the main areas for the site but there are also green spaces within it too. So just to quickly take a look at this is the green space in the landscape diagram for for the development and essentially it shows quite a large number of street trees that are distributed throughout the development and particularly street trees that are growing in rain gardens and swales rather than just sort of isolated grills. We also have almost on the right hand side of this, this plan a larger pocket park and that pocket park detail on that but essentially is the largest green space in this phase. Those, I would say all of those different streets and green spaces all then link back to the wider kind of movement strategy and also the green spaces strategy which is which surrounds the the phase and the planted strategy follows the design code in terms of using natural and native planting and creating a diverse habitat and incorporating play. This is just a more detailed plan of the pocket park green space showing how we're using boxes of trees in clusters to create the same sort of focal points. We've got a meandering path that walks through this site and then we've also incorporated various play natural play features into the site as well. This is the destination play space which is part of our play on the way strategy and our doorstep play strategy and then that follows through to a linear sort of green finger that runs on the northern part of the site. Again this was in the design code but what we've done is we've developed that as a natural corridor that runs along adjacent to the primary street greening strategy and we've incorporated as well as the other planting we've got a native hedgerow and some bug hotels as well as the seating. We're working very closely with the council's team to look at the adoption strategy for the site. Essentially at the moment this is a state of play. We have the pink areas which are highways adoption. We have green spaces here the green areas here which are intended to be adopted by the city and we're in discussion with the city to look at how we can incorporate more of the yellow spaces as well with that sort of on-garring but again it follows the design code's commitments trying to make sure that the management of these sites is planned from day one. The custom build strategy is for 5% of the market homes to be custom built and we and they say this is the first phase of that. This is just an extra from the design code showing the initial ideas we had around what those custom build strategies might mean in terms of different facade options and different internal options. We started off with the sort of inspiration of the site where we created a family of buildings that could all have different treatments and we were also particularly taken with the idea of the history of the of the merchant's house, the traditional merchant's house which could incorporate so many different things, could incorporate work and all this of family life as well and just to have shown how flexible they were in history. Those types of buildings are really evident in Cambridge and this sort of flexible home, the idea of a home that can have that can incorporate a mixture of lifestyles can also incorporate things like working from home and even sort of things like artist studios and things like that. We're very interested in the idea of homes that can be really flexible over the very long term, not just at the first date but at the point of sale. We're also really interested in how those homes as I say can express their difference on the outside but in a controlled way. So the customisation that we're looking at will include the external finishes, facade finishes, will include things like landscape finishes for example things like choices of trees and other planting for the home, choices of internal layout with different types of open plan particularly on upper floors but we're also to make sure it's absolutely deliverable we'll have things like fixed foundation design, fixed core building services and things like fixed stairs and that's all about trying to make it so that it's both really aspirational but also really deliverable and it's been really interesting to work with everyone to do that. So initial concept diagrams for this. Can I ask you to draw to a close? Yes we'll be back to you. Are we nearly there? Yeah back to you. What we want to do is create a range of homes I say where rooms can be a whole range of different offices but also have some different shapes in them as well. This is the floor plans, the various floor plan options that we're proposing at the moment, essentially showing how you can have sort of individual rooms, you can have some rooms larger than others and then you can have full open plan options as well and we think that these could happen on different floors at different levels for each home and will be an important part of the strategy. Then externally we've developed a sort of curated range of options based on predominantly a brick palette but with some boarding and this just shows some of those examples just showing how all of those different curated options come together to make and then the next key part of our work was to ensure was to explore how we could ensure that all of these different home choices would work together to form a coherent design. So in this case we just quite simply rolled dice and just chose the different houses based on our dice rolls to make sure that whatever happened it would always work together and this is just the examples of those dice rolls and they gave us a lot of confidence in how we're doing this. Then internally there'll be a huge range of specification options which Bellway are able to offer and we're also able to offer things like environmental and energy upgrades as well particularly around things like battery storage and as I say land-based options such as choice of trees and hedges and that will all be delivered through a configurator which will allow essentially the customers to be able to choose all those different options, plug them all together and then that's to be recorded in a simple way for the delivery team to be able to deliver the buildings but also to be able to give back to the planners so that they've got a record of what was chosen and then finally we have a play at public art strategy which is extremely exciting and we are just at the point of selecting our public artist who will be working across the whole site and of course across all the future phases and will also have a key role in our delivery of our future consultation strategy as well so we're very excited for that and that's it. Obviously it's for everyone. Very much so thank you Mr Butterfield, really helpful to see that so I'd remind members that these are questions of clarification only and no expression of opinions so Councillor Hawkins. Thank you Geoff, thank you very much for your presentation. My questions kind of focus on the custom build as well as the landscape. Now it seems... Can't hear you Councillor Hawkins, can you turn the microphone a bit closer please? I feel you're better, I'm sorry. Is that better? You seem to have sort of templates that the custom build will use but that is not custom then is it? Can't whoever wants the custom build decide what they're going to use? Is that an option for them? In a word now, I think the custom builds are really challenging things to deliver and that goes from a quality point of view as well as just delivering something so what we've found, we've done quite a few custom build projects, we've got sort of... We've put the scars to prove it, to set it as a design organisation. So our experience has been that actually having a really good effective range of choices that people can make and feel really involved with and team up different interiors of different exteriors and various other things you can see there actually provides a really meaningful level of choice but one that we know we can deliver and our client can deliver at a quality level that everyone would expect. It starts to sort of fall apart and it becomes also very important in terms of how it ties back to the planning process and the planning approval so it means in this way and we're working with the officers to do this but we're feeling this is going to work is that we're able to pre-approve all the possible outcomes, all possible choices so that there's not that risk from the buyer's point of view that what they choose isn't actually allowed and that is a quite... There's a limited range of options that they can choose from. It's a relatively limited range of options but actually together it creates quite a lot of choices. Absolutely. Okay, we understand. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I second your question. Yes. Landscaping, now you say you've got some more trees in this iteration but when I looked at you know one of what whichever one it is of the diagrams it looks to me as if on the not on the major roads this the smaller roads it just seems to have plumped a tree here and there. It's quite scarce and I'm just wondering why you don't have smaller shrubs or just you just plumped trees on it's not that green. It seems to me to be just a oh you want more trees we'll just put it in here. So I hope for it isn't that. I totally appreciate your point. I think obviously we're working with the highways team to be as much as possible to be able to have as many trees as we can. That is there is a tension between those two things. What we've done is... I'm sorry but trees is not just the only thing that you can put on there. Oh no no no absolutely so what we're doing is we do have the the trees aren't on their own all of those trees are located in in planting. It might not have come across in that plan my apologies. The other thing that we have done since those plans were prepared because this is ongoing is we've actually introduced another rain garden sort of swale as well along one of those other streets so it we're constantly able to sort of add more planting um but it's there is always a sort of attention between the two. Okay it's not making excuses just trying to explain it. Okay so the trees will be in planting that's great. Yes and presumably you will face that in very early so that by the time it's all built it will have grown it's just not going to be um. Thank you. Right so I'm going to ask my questions if you don't mind. I just wanted to check with the play area to the right hand side the eastern side of the development. Can we just check whether any of that play area will double as a sustainable drainage system? Will it be a swale or will it be just play area? For example the dip at the southern end of that diagram. So the the green spaces generally work as a form of a form of drainage sustainable drainage obviously is adding significantly to the urban green name. The there's two major green spaces we've got this pocket park which is at the moment um which my understanding is it doesn't have a formal swale in it um but obviously works as a sponge anyway. You'll also notice that we've tried to minimise the amount of hard surfaces on these open spaces. One of the things we sort of design code did was to was to really sort of focus minds on not having huge areas of paving and to the stage have softer areas and more tree planting. Um the uh the question was is that area to the south effectively a sud you're shaking your head. I'm saying I don't think it's a formal sud but it is a as I said it's fine to be just to say that the northern area does include more form one um sort of I think it's a more great government as well. That's fine thank you um the other question I want to number of questions um you said the street parking would be for visitors at some point in your presentation and I think that was because the residents will have parking in parking courts and and garages associated with their plots um and I just wondered whether how you are anticipating managing whether residents might use the street parking to park in as well. In other words have an extra car. Yeah I mean I think that it's a good question I think it's always a it's always a difficult one. Um I I guess what we would say is we've really tried to prioritise um sort of cycle parking um obviously um sort of good connectivity from the development and strike that balance between having um what we consider to be an adequate amount of car parking on site but without providing so much parking that that you're sort of almost prioritising sort of car ownership and car. So would you anticipate having a management scheme for parking in the in the development from the outset? We we we will have a I mean there'll be a there'll be a management management regime on the site I mean I know we talked about I know this has come up a committee before about how do you enforce against people parking um on the on the public particularly prior to adoption and I don't know whether you want to have anything on. Yeah I mean as as David said it is finding that balance um and meeting the demands of creating the green spaces etc we the the area will definitely be managed um both the green spaces by the city and and we we will pick up the rest. Um I think in the cold-lighted day if we honest we will always be concerned about there not being enough enough um business parking um but I think where we've ended like we did with RMA3 the first residential post it will it will be that sort of compromised position um but I I fear we probably can't go any further than where we are at the moment. Sorry the point I was making is that if you set up a management scheme at the outset then you have an opportunity to manage it as they have been on other developments um the other thing I wish to ask was about the tenure layout can you go back to the tenure layout document please. Graham was helpful which is that one thank you um had you given any thought sorry it's that one isn't it um it looks to me as if all the market housing is facing the open space in that diagram and I wondered if you've given any thought to further um incorporating the affordable uh and um the the rent is in the shared accommodation in amongst all of those blue blocks at all um we we have we we tried a number of different um options for for for this um for the tenure split it's 40 percent affordable um to know the the reasoning we settled on was particularly to focus the affordable flats around the pocket park the new pocket park is the sort of largest of the green spaces we're providing we felt that in the given that those homes will be likely to have children in them we felt that there would be particular benefit from from having the uh from having being as near as possible to those to those green spaces um there are other ways obviously there are certainly ways that we can move some of the flats into other locations but we felt particularly in that case having having the sort of safest inquiries routes to be able to be adopted or to get to that pocket park was something that we we felt was a benefit um in terms of the the houses it's slightly more difficult because of the nature of the design code and the size of those homes in relation to the the tenure and so we did need to have the most of the smaller homes being being affordable so it's just one of those sorts of things in this particular phase okay thank you very much so members i don't have any other you know do do put your hands up so i've got the councillor Levine councillor Stovart councillor Thornborough oh actually councillor Thornborough raised her hand before um so i had councillor smart sorry so let me just write down so i get you in the right order um and then i'm sure on this side yeah okay so councillor Thornborough sorry first um i've got three points questions the custom homes um i wondered if you have thought about putting um ready uh roof structures in so it's ready for loft conversions i think that marmalade laying if you're using a put a a loft troughs in so that they can extend into the loft i also i know we you can under permitted development you can build up i don't is it possible to design a three-story building but actually build ask for a two-story building because that's what you can afford and then in 10 years time build up the extra story um i know in other countries they do that and it supports keeping the build costs lower at the beginning that's one i think the point about the roads for visitors is really important places like um accordia they have everyone has a on-block parking but a lot of people have big cargo bikes or during or they've sent them their garages up as gyms etc etc they park on the roads i would say about 50% of the residents park on the roads and um uh and it is a real issue i think visitors need very clear parking spaces and it needs to be very clear where um the home owners or rented people living there where they park and in some parts of southern trumpington it's defined and that is a better solution going forward i think because if it's visitors can park anywhere on the roads anyone will park on the roads and finally um just brick i see just brick everywhere and that might be because of the design code but that doesn't are you using new forms of construction um to keep you know to improve quality or keep um carbon costs down um that's it thank you so thank you could you if you could answer those questions that we hope absolutely absolutely if you can sure um so the custom build um in the we wouldn't be able well the the roofs are very small on the custom build homes is because the nature of the design so there's probably not just not enough volume to create a lot of conversion um but the way they're constructed i completely agree we haven't got into the detail of exactly how they're constructed but because they are short spans there's probably quite a lot of flexibility about how they can be made to make the volume more useful and i'm i'm really we share a lot of your thoughts about the way that sort of trust routes as well can i just clarify i understood your question to be not just on the custom builds but on all of the houses the potential to extend into the roof i would love the balls that people could buy a two-story home which they could afford and build a third story later on but i was i didn't know i think it would be great but i was specifically thinking it might be more appropriate for custom build at the moment thank you so you were right you understood correctly that custom builds would agree um so that's that's the one i think that yeah we we're very alive so the possibility that probably not in this phase if i'm being honest we're kind of we are doing sort of baby steps here and learning learning our way and you know we'll genuine custom build even at this degree and i know it's not they still we're still trying to sort of manage it in some way it's actually quite unusual in this country it's quite a it's a new thing we're learning how to do it this is what we're trying to do is make do something that we feel is as ambitious as we can for as a first phase and then there's potential to do other things as we develop up through the rest of the scheme so for instance in the next phase the homes are going to be directly onto the market square and so that's going to kind of bring a different quality i think to how we think about these designs i'm taking it around the floors um so there is potential there definitely but i think this one we're trying to keep it relatively simple for the first time so the next one's work are you going to manage the parking and so i can speak if i can just add on the custom build i think i think it's fair to say that the our custom build offering is i guess a like version um and we can't look past it but it's quite i think it's important for the committee to see where we're coming from we are a volume householder so us embracing this concept has we've done it with hesitance because we are we're really scared that we won't be able to deliver it and so so we have sort of entered with caution um and so i think we're at a point where we've developed our offering in the belief that we can actually deliver it and um i think i think we understand it's um it's a work it's a it will evolve as you see how it goes it's a sort of suckage and see and uh we're encouraged that you're doing it we've got lots of people asking questions so i'm going to move on if that's okay to the visitor parking and the materials on the outside if you would absolutely i can answer that pretty quickly i think um hopefully useful it um we in this particular scheme which is slightly different from the accordia scheme is that accordia is basically one for one for dwellings um and particularly where it's in garages which most of it is or sort of much like garages um whilst i really like accordia i think it's one of its problems is that yeah the garages get used for other things with cargo bikes and the cargo is on the street what we've got here is we've got essentially space for two cars on each plot for almost all the homes and so there's just that bit more flexibility in the actual parking arrangement um not that i particularly want to encourage two car ownership for every home being honest speaking from our other other hats on but but to make it possible and then hopefully that will help reduce the amount of that sort of fly parking that happens which obviously we don't want it won't help anyone so yeah that's the approach we've taken i think perhaps the message that's coming on both of the questions those questions are that actually delineating who parks where helps to avoid problems and the just brick everywhere comment oh i can do that one um with we this particular character area is a predominantly brick character area sort of power was set up originally so we don't have a great deal of other materials in the first phase we had of what we call the village character area which had a lot more sort of boarding and things like that we're always looking at those other materials anyway um and the and so for example the phase after this to see where we get to go ahead um we'll have we'll have a wider balance of materials so yeah there is a reason why it's many but lovely okay so council is smart you were next on my list just been thank you jerry i've got three questions should I ask them all in one go because they're all sort of related you ask them all together and then you can you know answer what you want and ignore them if they're a bit too difficult so for i mean to all my questions are about climate change and climate emergencies so before the meeting i've had a briefing about good design so my first question is finally gutters are certainly a fashion but it could be argued to be designing in a means to fail so block gutters some leaves from all the screecheries you mentioned then water ingress from heavy rain especially but more importantly um from climate change and extreme weather events water overpouring gutters and snow load potentially second question is it the case that all the dual aspect homes mentioned have openable windows and opposite size of dwellings and thirdly um so i understand you need to build what buyers want and we have responsibility but we all have a responsibility reduce carbon use in building this relates to the earlier question on bricks so how do you think that building this scheme in brick and concrete responds to climate emergency and climate change when other building systems are available and have been available for decades like for example in timber and um just to say your comment about other buildings being built in brick around it doesn't really have any sense at all in terms of the current situation we find ourselves in in the world these you know at this time in southern europe at the very moment we're speaking that you can say that building in brick is a good thing to do okay council smart i think we need to let um develop the respond fit share it with all due respect i can express an opinion about climate change and building and brick without um compromising or or predetermining myself on this scheme so i'll address the um as i can remember them i think the first one around the um the value gutters um call it fashion call it yes the number of things i think the we one of the things we are doing at the moment is reviewing the number of value gutters on the scheme so we are looking anyway at changing that and that's something that came up we had a very positive quality panel but one comment that didn't come up with so we probably want to look at that a bit so it's something we're doing at the moment with with the uh with the other design team in cambridge um i think we'll find a good medium on that um the the point around brick i think is a really and and other building methods i mean very alive to that um i think that and they and it's a very unfair thing that's happened but post-grenfowl it's been incredibly hard to get people to build in anything other than masonry and if anything that's got harder i think in the last few years as as it's become ingrained as a sort of media response now is that the right thing to do probably not but it's the it's the kind of it's unfortunately it's part of a movie music what we can do what we have done in this scheme is that we're trying to really promote things like terraced house forms again which is something that it's a real challenge to do by the way because parking and bin strategy is everything has to be achieved but by showing you can make terraced houses again you're reducing that form factor you're reducing the the amount of material basically goes into making buildings and particularly in facing them and also in terms of the thermal efficiency of them so yeah can we can can we win the carbon uh the the the structural carbon in in the buildings right now probably not but we can win in a lot of other ways and certainly the operational carbon on this scheme is significantly reduced and we're in a lot of buildings we're much closer to 70 reduction on part hell which we're really proud of you know and that in terms of in-use carbon use actually will make a big big difference thank you i think that's yeah the other one was about dual aspect windows and whether they will oh yeah i'm sorry yeah all of the dual aspect homes are fully dual aspect they they've naturally ventilated they they they've opened both sides thank you right so councillor Livy thank you um i think i heard you say that there'd be 40 affordable housing i just wanted to confirm that there is i don't know how you carve it out of the tenure 10 years there and i don't know if you have a slideshow where they'll be just curious about that is it that is that is it so the blue is the market the yellow is the rental and the red is the shared ownership and you know i think add up to nearness okay thank you thank you uh and water um now rising to the list of critical critical design in in this area and uh i'm sure you're aware that there's pressure for the usage to be driven down to 80 litres per day per person i don't know if you have a figure in mind for this but i'd be curious to know and that doesn't might just do questions thank you um absolutely i can do the first part of water first um which is we really aware of trying to we we've already got quite a good water usage um on phase phase one i'm trying to remember the exact number of users and i'm looking at you could you bring the microphone just in case what we've been working on the roof yeah no no apologies so we've got something phase one we're at 107 litres per person um i think we should be in your current policy guidelines obviously we're aware that there's a lot of pressure on water usage i've been everywhere but obviously particularly um in canberish at the moment we haven't got a set figure for this next phase but it's certainly something we're working through with our um energy consultants obviously working up to the submission of the the application certainly take on on board your comments sorry just for this particular application could you when mr butterfield could you turn your microphone off when you're not speaking thank you and then it'll pick up um i can confirm given the circumstances that for this particular application we are adding water butts to every property um and we are considering that for the remainder of the scheme as well sorry could i i i meant to ask will the houses be individually metered that's good councillor Stobart thank you chair um so my question is more a process question around the uh application of the design code so we address the planning officer as well as the developer team um so um as we go from the design code with their obligatory aspects and those that are labeled should that there is this transition so i was expecting uh that there were one or two shoulds appeared in the presentation which i was perhaps mildly surprised at but um as we go through this process should get dropped but it's noted on a spreadsheet somewhere perhaps with a justification for how that's being interpreted so there are a few specifics but my general question was how is it going is it helping the process and as we move to um the planning application itself um are we going to be able to see at least get some insight into what that um listing of shoulds and how they're being interpreted will we be able to see that and interrogate it thank you so um perhaps you can how does how does that match up with your checklist so yeah so that's the absolutely the purpose of the checklist is it's a live tracking document that allows us to to use it and our design team to use it um we each of our rma applications is structured essentially around the checklist so that our team quite methodically work through that and then answer each of those questions what they need to do and then one of the things the checklist does is it it sets out what's required to show the proof so instead of it just being yeah we're doing that it's and how so so I think I think we are able to do that and that's and that checklist forms part of the the submission great thank you council would you like to come back just a very brief supplementary so address the planning officer um so through you Rebecca is it making things more efficient for you yeah definitely I think we've designed case that um there are sometimes quite big documents and in this case we've managed to keep it to 100 pages for a design code but that's still a lot of pages so the checklist really does kind of focus where the musts and shits are um so when we're kind of reviewing or considering pre application or application we can see exactly what um what's being what's being proposed to see yeah at the moment is a good tool to have thank you right so councillor smooth thank you thank you for presentation I note the 100 percent dual use um I note the increase in tree planting and we've reminded and these weeks about the importance of tree canopy and the impact that that has on cooling it's really important I'm just wondering whether you could just check whether you're in compliance with the pepper potting concentration of um social housing uh on that on that plan um and you're in compliance with that um policy um I also noted the design um slide around the uh open spaces and I thought there was um there was an expression of ambition there and I think that kind of ambition and high quality design can make this really important contribution to placemaking and making somewhere very special um I was going to say something about water consumption but David has already asked that question or made a remark about that and and finally um it'd be helpful to be reminded of the phasing of some of the urban goods that make places more livable um because obviously we're doing this in an incremental way going from phase to phase um but I think it's um knowing from recent experience um about new state development about the importance of having the play and a convenient shop and a community room for the intercession process but I guess that's already in the 106 agreement but I think it'd be useful just to remind us where we're at with those those triggers because we know just from our residents how important it is that those elements are um in place at the earliest possible stage I do appreciate the economics of that but we also we we also appreciate the community importance social importance of it too thank you thank you so there's no questions just comments okay so if there are no questions then you won't need any answers okay so it's just for your information gentlemen that members would like you to take these things on board and I'm going to take councillor Porro's question first and then I'll come to councillor Khan councillor Porro thank you very much chair I just had a few the first one was the name of Parkside Quarter obviously I'm biased as I have Parkside in my ward I'm a little concerned that having two Parkside's within I've just looked 15 minutes drive or half an hour's walk of each other might start confusing people and certainly when you put Parkside into Google Maps that I just have it lists pretty much everything on Parkside in the city centre and I think the same is true of a market square I think we've raised this on other developments that you know I have no problem with the name Parkside being used twice but I am a little concerned that it will cause confusion for wayfinding when you're putting it into maps particularly as the other Parkside has the police station the file station the you know the the coach station it needs likely to come up more prominently and just wanted to note as well obviously I think we've raised before garden size always really important so it'd be really useful to know more about that when this comes forward in future I noticed you were having provision for cargo bikes which is great again it will be useful to see where and how you're planning to do that and particularly for visitors to the site and in terms of car usage having adequate space and signage to residents buying properties in advance that we have cargo bikes often helps I believe reduce car use similarly car club spaces I think committee know I normally mention those but again the more of those we can have in a managed way as the chairs mentioned great finally just one question you had a slide with the picture of the kind of parking streets I just wondered how your you feel that would work with any conflict with the ideas kind of play streets and kids playing out with cars reversing in and out thanks very much chair thank you councillor poro so um I hope you'll take on board the potential confusion with the naming which is we have raised that on other developments and requested that names are not duplicated um so I think well would you like to answer there's garden size provision for cargo bikes parking spaces and parking in streets and play streets and how they don't all do work together so just to go to cover the parkside quarter name my apologies it's very much a working title it's taken from the design code and the parkside character area that that is is part of that it's not by any means necessarily what it's going to be called in in future it's just that it's what you do it's just what you do when you're when you're having to develop something so but please be reassured on that in terms of the in terms of the places for cargo bikes and things um yeah they're all of those things are embedded into the design code and all the principles of that which were also in rma3 are being carried straightforward into rma4 and that includes as well as having those spaces for residents it's having the sheffield stands outside things like flat blocks so that if you're going to visit someone you've got someone to somewhere to put your bike as well um and again that was all in the design code but it's all it's all live in this in the scheme um the garden sizes we're working with obviously a range of garden sizes we've got a range of different sizes of homes and we're currently working with the urban sign officers just to maximise those garden sizes and also to make sure that they're they're private from from individual homes any provision for car club parking spaces we have a at the moment as part of the code and the framework plan that sort of goes along with that we have um car club spaces um we've charging points in the local centre um we felt that was the first place to start we do have provision within the code to have them in other places as well but so much of it's going to be connected I think to the economics and the demand and probably as it develops as well as we all know it's very difficult early stages to get these in place effectively but yeah that's yes the um question about play streets and places where people might wish to park even if they're not designated so the um rma4 has um a play street um running in the centre of the of the of the phase in that sort of cluster of smaller family homes is where we felt there was real benefit in having something like play streets so that that's where that's located um and that has a car free section basically in the centre of it um within the parking squares um in other phases we've been able to incorporate some players as well and and and just generally to create it as a playable environment in this particular phase we think that there's a relatively small number of homes at a certain range of these squares and we do think that there's potential for children to be able to safely play out in them because of you know they're usually serving around no more than nine or ten homes essentially so so we we're confident that those will be able to be playable I think you will um take away from this that we are concerned about the management of parking on street the residence service thank you um councillor carne simply about the uh you showed signs of um pictures of a cycle parking cycle storage in back gardens I'm concerned that the gardens should have accurately the storage should have direct access to the um public publics here the the road or or pathway because otherwise otherwise if they had to come through the to the front it makes them less less usable less less likely to be used um just wondered what provision had been made in that sense and how much will have access directly onto the road um all of the bike spaces will all have direct access onto the street there's no there's no requirement to go through the house for any of the for the bike parking so for the for the houses that for the terraced houses essentially the news house behind serves as the bike and in and car store actually so it it brings it all together so yeah none great thank you councillor thornborough I'd just like to make a comment um I think that we have the transport hierarchy and I think it would be really great if when you did a when you do the presentation about movement you deal it do it in the order of the hierarchy so you tell us how all the walk walking works in and out and around then cycling and wheeling then buses and bus stops and bus covers and then for cars it's deliveries shared cars and finally finally the last thing we want to know about is private cars and I think if it's presented in that way it may help remind you of our priorities thank you thank you very wise words councillor thornborough um councillor Beaton yeah a very small point but easily done um we have a particular interest in this area now about charging bicycles and scooters and if you're going to provide outside cycle parking especially some of the stuff with sheds could you put our points in them so the charging could take place there rather than the back we are making provision for both both scooters as well as cycles i'm not actually sure whether we're doing it in this particular application or whether it's it's focused around the local centre in the middle of development yeah yeah yeah you're talking about the yeah you're talking about where you store it having trouble so um thank you very much indeed you've had a a barrage of questions from us all um and i can't see any more hands up so i think you will have unheard from us the things that we'd like to see from you when you do your presentation um so david um alexis um or thank you very much for coming along and uh we'll end with the briefing there thank you very much indeed yeah thank you um if you would uh take us offline