 You're welcome back. It's still plus politics. And my name is Nyam Gul Aghaji. Now the concern is the Department of State Services, D.S.S., has said that some key political players are plotting to foist an interim government in Nigeria. According to the D.S.S. spokesman Peter Afunaya in a statement stated that some people have weighed various options which include, among others, to sponsor endless violent mass protests in major cities to warrant a declaration of state of emergency. The service said that another plot to foist interim government is to obtain frivolous injunctions to forestall the inauguration of new executive administrations and legislative houses in the federal and state levels. Information just reaching us from our correspondence in Nigeria State is that in Kagara, Rafi, United States, gunmen have attacked gunmen, government science secondary school at around 2 a.m. shot dead one student and abducted 42 people, including 27 students, even though that is not directly related to what we're talking about from D.S.S. We're being joined now to discuss the security situation in Nigeria by Dixon Omodiale Osage, a criminologist and global security analyst. Good evening and welcome to the program, Dixon. Thank you for having me, Gaj. Okay, we'd like to know how security works. Sometimes we are told that for security purposes some information cannot come to public glare. And now here we are, D.S.S. telling us that there are people fomenting trouble to make sure Nigeria stays perpetually in unrest so that there could be an interim government. Should that information come to the public or should the people be arrested and interrogated privately? Why are we hearing this? Oh, what a fantastic question. Thank you very much, Gaj, for having me. I think sometimes we fail to understand how security operates in our client. We just take with an common ear at any given time to just talk about what is happening, giving us information that is promised to be supposed to be out there. The D.S.S. is a respectable security agent. They do so well to their own capacity. But for me, I don't think it's essential for them to always come to the media space and tell the public that, hey, X, Y is that information we're having and that we have an information that some people are trying to disrupt. No, no, no, security don't work that way. When you have an information about people you think are going to be a threat to the national security, when you have information about people you think that they are going to foster the progress of a democracy, what you need to do is to go into action, carry out a by-boss operation. If they be, it is what has to do with narcotics or whatever the case may be. But it has to do with the criminal element of gangsterism. What the D.S.S. needs to do is to carry out a single operation and pick out those guys from the space. Because you're telling them or trying to tell them you understand their plan, whatever the case may be, I don't think it's acceptable. However, there's also psychological deterrence. Psychological deterrence is for you to apply psychology, the application of psychology to detail would be criminals or crime in progress. I think that is the part the D.S.S. are trying to tread. But it's not a professional path when it comes to national security. In the sense that if you don't go into a single operation to, you know, foster such plan or arrest those you think need to be arrested and bring them to justice, and you just think you can do this statement out there to tell people that you understand their plan and they should stop that. In this 21st century, we've seen people in gun points, not people surrendering to the enemy. We've seen people surrounded by the enemy. We've seen people surrender. We'll talk about you coming out with your ways or verbally to, you know, foster such kind of happen. It's not going to work that way. What the D.S.S. is trying to do is to carry out a single operation and bring out arrest those they think are going to constitute threat to the national security. Okay, so apart from carrying out a single operation that you're calling, what else could they have done instead of coming to public media, to the public space to tell us that this is what is about to happen, especially as we do not even know if they have concrete evidence that they can show us if we want, if we demand of them. What should they have done? All right, this is what it should have done. We are all in ignorance and we all believe in the survival of this great nation and what you guys in media are doing out there. To the very honest, it's a fantastic job you guys are doing and nobody has the rights to, you know, it's within media because your loyalty is to the people. Now what the D.S.S. should be doing is that they need to carry out or check the open source information. We have various information. Apart from human intelligence, we have the open source information. That is the media, the Facebook, the Instagram. Now, for example, if you go into the Instagram, you can definitely identify, I personally, I'm saying this is all authority. I've been reading the comments of what's this name, senior advocate of Nigeria, Pesos Piyamo. I've been reading the deadly, dangerous statement from the semi-panic high day. I've been reading some other statement from the other political parties as well. No party is immune. So what is happening? The Baba Judo is very, very, it's unacceptable. The D.S.S. should invite these guys to the office and say, Hey guys, enough of this complex distribution and not of this crisis distribution because all I could see or what I can see about these guys, they are all crisis and conflict entrepreneurs because I very expect people of such level to be talking and also instigated, you know, a fear to the society calling for war, calling for a national arrest or whatever the case be. So the D.S.S. know these people and I'm telling you the truth, they know these people. The last time we have FFK talking about military, trying to think about power, the D.S.S. invited them to come and prove his fact. So such kind of invitation should also be carried out across all parties. Because what I have seen so far, Gadji, is that these are political allies, they disappointed us, disappointed us verbal wise because they pay to understand that any given war starts from the maps. And that is why the Bible says life and death is in the tongue. So they need to start sending their tongue if they believe in Nigeria. If they don't think they're tongue and anything goes wrong with Nigeria, each and every one of them will be drawn to the battle field, let them come and fight the battle they all started with their mouths. Before the elections, all the parties, at least most of the parties signed what they called a PISA code. It doesn't seem to be working. What else could have been done? Do we have alternatives because they go and sign a paper and then come out and everything that they went against in the paper is being done. So what other things can be put to be fair to the to the organizations that organize these for them to come and sign this PISA code? They've done a good job. But what else can be added so that we know that the elections, next election, all the elections coming up, subsequent elections will be peaceful. But especially after the elections, the polity will still be as peaceful as we want it to be. Because the PISA code doesn't seem to work after the elections. You're a fantastic journalist. I must say the truth. That is a fantastic position. And we must all as every truth as a nation, you know, that is why I always admire, you know, coming to philosophy because it's the television of truth. The truth here is this accord is signing. I don't think they are keeping to such a signature just like a treaty. You know, when you go into an agreement with a constitutional wise or within the body of authority and you signed an agreement that you are going to ensure that this election is going to be peaceful without tribal brutality, without religious brutality, without atmospheric brutality. I think you're supposed to keep for that. But the issue here is that none of them keep to that is just good. And they carry out a, you know, signing ceremony. I think it's a signing ceremony. What I think should be done for me going forward to post such kind of reappearance is for us to have a detailed mechanism. You know, the reason why people go and sign such kind of thing and they don't have, there's no detailed mechanism is because there's no consequence. It will start having consequence management or an effective punishment of people who signed such a call and go against such a call. For example, I go to sign that, hey, my party is going to maintain everything signed in this document. We're not going to instigate violence. We're not going to say something that's going to cause the state of arrest. And I go against our signature. I think there should be a sanction. Maybe I should be suspended from participating in any political office, or maybe be withdrawn. Just like what is happening in the United States, as it is now, where the people are trying to hold Donald Trump accountable for the incident that transpired in Washington DC. So we should have government and institution in place that will hold this gas accountable so that they will understand that, hey, they're not bigger than Nigeria. They're not bigger than this country because I tell you for pre-Ogaji, that somebody is lying to us. Some people are lying to us in this country. And I know the people that are lying to us, they are the politicians. Until now, we never knew that the Igbo, if your mother is not an Igbo woman or a Euroban man, or whatever it may be, or maybe a tribe or tribe or difference, you cannot hold a position. That is tribe or brutality. That is ethnocentric brutality. It is very, very wrong. I would need to pass that off from our political space. So we need to identify those who are lying to us, which I personally have identified the liars of this, the liars in this scenario, the politicians are lying to us. The Igbo's are good people. The Eurovests are good people. The Hauses are good people. I'm from the Asia kingdom. The Asia kingdom. The Isians are good people. The Binyas are good people. Where you came from, or Gaji, your people are good people. So nobody should come and tell us a lie. That lie must be attacked with faith and momentum. If we don't attack that lie, then I tell you for free, we are treading on the path of another Igbo war. If here is not taken, beg for peace. All right, thank you. We should identify the people who are lying to us and make sure we name and shame them as it were. Let them face the consequences as it is. I would like to thank you, Dixon or Sajji, for coming on the show. You've been very helpful to us. Thank you, Gaji. Yeah. So we've been talking with Dixon, Omad Yale, or Sajji, a criminologist and global security analyst, and he's been telling us what is happening here and what should have been done by the DSS instead of the broadcast that they give to us and some of the suggestions that can make our polity a little more secure. We'd like to thank you also for being a part of this program this evening. Until tomorrow, when we will do another edition, my name is Nyam Gul at Gaji Baikonam.