 Bro, McCrae, do me a favor. I'm gonna get your information and then we'll hook up. Put me in, Coach. Yeah, that's good. Thanks for you guys having me on here too. And it's, there's a lot kind of that just went through. But I guess my kind of thing is thinking about this is like, so when we think about, I guess I hear a lot of Calvinistic interpretations and I understand that we can talk about like some of the Greek and stuff like that, especially that first John passage. But the kind of assumption there is like, I guess when we think back to how are we saved in the first place, right? And I think we all are on the same page with the fact that we're saved completely by grace through faith. And it's his righteousness that's imputed onto us in order to give us salvation, correct? So we're all on that same page, right? Yeah. Okay. So now if we have his imputed righteousness, I mean, this is just a practical question and we can start getting into the verses. But the practical question, if we're saved by his righteousness, obviously our righteousness does not play a role in our salvation, right? So I think we all agree about, we're all once saved, always saved, right? All of us. Yep. Okay, okay. And out of curiosity, also just to be clear, would you identify as a five point Calvinist just so I have kind of an idea of where you're coming from? No, I'm not a Calvinist. I guess if I didn't call it a two and a half point, three point, whatever I'm not. So no, there are some beliefs that they have I agree with, but no, I'm not a Calvinist. What? Okay. And do you believe in free will? I do. I believe, I believe, well, and I don't like to use the word free will because I believe that we have the ability to choose. I also believe that God has ability to choose. And so there are some things that because we are saved, the Holy Spirit is in us. I believe he causes us to do some things, not everything. And if we're not saved, then we've got something else that's also kind of working in us, which is that of the enemy. But do I believe that we have the ability to choose? I do. That's why one of the reasons why I don't believe in, I'm not a Calvinist because I believe that we have, mankind has the ability to choose to be saved. What? Does God, first we all would agree that obviously God hates sin. He has said he's gonna do something about sin. His statement in regards to doing something about sin is that he is going to one, not let that be the issue that he sees with us. We are atoned by our faith, but he literally says in Zika 36 that he's going to cause us to walk in his teachings. And then we know that the Holy Spirit in us, the result, the carposs, the result of the Holy Spirit in us, according to Galatians five, are some actual things that we do. Now, we don't measure them. We don't say, well, I've done this, this, I've done that, or he or I didn't do this. No, we don't, that part is subjective. It's up to God the reason why is because only us or me and God can actually identify. Paul says, let every man examine himself. I've only been studying the Bible in this, right? For what, now, seven months. Hold up. I've only been studying the Bible in this, right? For what, now, seven months. He has received the gospel, rejected the gospel, in favor for a gospel like Calvinist gospel that relies upon works. So now when you ask the question of how do you know you're saved, the Bible never tells us to look to ourselves to see if we're saved. With the possible verse when people say in second Corinthians 13, five, they use that verse to say that this is Paul saying, even though Paul's talking rhetorically, I believe in context, if you're a five point Calvinist, this position makes sense because we don't have free will. So therefore, if you're saved, God is going to make you produce good works. But on any non-Calvinistic view, it does not make sense. This is why I think Protestants are hopelessly confused when it comes to works because they're trying to use Calvinistic interpretations in order to understand their own theology. Put me in, coach. Is how then do I know I am saved? How do I know I trust him? Because there are people who truly legitimately believe that they're saved and they believe that Jesus Christ, they have the same profession you have that Jesus Christ died on the cross. What makes that person who also believed like Simon, the sorcerer in Acts 8, who believed a different tense of the verb is used, who believed and is not saved or the ones in the Parallel of Sower who believed, but they aren't. What's the difference? There's got to be something when Paul says to examine himself, examine what? Because I can promise you, and I have met so many of these people who, yeah, matter of fact, in retrospect, I really didn't. I understand because having a head and I was understanding that Jesus died on the cross. Well, that's not it, is it? Jesus didn't say we're going to follow him? No, you're asking me what the Holy Spirit is for. I'm telling you what Jesus says. Okay, well, but what I asked you was, what does that passage refer to? What does it mean when God says, either in Jeremiah 29 or Ezekiel 36, when God says that his spirit is going to cause us? Now, to what degree? He doesn't say. You're implying that God forces us to do things. No, no, no, no. He says, cause us to walk. What do you believe he means when he says cause? I just told you what he means. I believe he means he's going to cause us to walk in his teachings and not depart from it. Cause I think I understand your mean by the word cause. What do you mean by that? Does he make us do it? Well, here's what we can do. Let's go and look at the word. Without trying to figure it out, we can just look at what the word cause is this word here, which is to make. This is the word, this is the word I saw. So are you saying God makes it? But you would still say that. Yeah, cause you would still say that we have to yield to the Holy Spirit, right? We do. Now, does he make us, does he make us do, huh? I said, I said, you would agree that we have the, we have, we could choose to yield to the spirit or not. Right? We have, we have volition and there's, there's this tension because we still have the flesh. We still have the spirit, but he said what he's going to do. Now he didn't say totally complete. We know that's not going to happen. But if he says the word I saw in Hebrew, I saw how it is mean to cause us to walk. I think I can give you an explanation for what he means by cause. Okay. What's it mean? If you hire a personal trainer and he tells you how to structure your diet and your exercise routine to lose weight, then you can say that the personal trainer was a cause in you losing that weight. But you're the one who had to pick up the weight. You're the one who had to choose, like to, to follow the diet regimen in the same way the Holy Spirit directs us in how we should live our lives. But it's either God makes us do it by force or we choose to do it. You can't have it both ways. So if we choose to do it. Wait a second though. I didn't. And the word that's there is to make the word us. Let me go back to the screen. Stand on something. I'm saying, does God make us do things or do we choose to do things? What does he say is going to happen? The Holy Spirit is going to cause us to the issue. Okay. Here's the problem. But you're assuming, yeah. You just don't get it. Do you? You don't. I talked to Alan about this for three hours on the phone. He told me he did. I'm pretty sure I understand his view. I've talked to him many times about this too. Especially this last time. We talked for about three hours. So I understand his view pretty clearly. So basically what he's saying that if you're not committed to basically being a disciple then you're probably not saved in this way. So you try not to get into details kind of with like our private conversation and stuff. But Alan does hold a view like that where it's like basically you can look to your life to see if you're saved or not. And I think that's what you're saying too. And I would just say that that's just completely unbiblical. Let me see what I'm saying. How come you don't want me, man? I have literally seen people. Literally, remember, I've been around the worst of the worst. I've been around the guy who says, yeah, I believe you. I know they can write it out. And then we'll go out and rape a man, kill him, stab him up or whatever in the guards. I've seen it. And then have no more, you know, and then convert to Islam. Well, wait a second. Hold up at that moment. At that moment, that guy looked like and said it. So my point is this. I think at least what I get from Alan, but there's assumptions behind what you're saying though. You're right, that's why I say this guys. I don't know. None of us know. Only that's why Paul says, well, see, that's why Paul says, let let a man examine himself. Well, that's that's not true. But hold on. Paul didn't say let him examine himself. No, Paul, he says to see if you're in the faith, but he's not talking about the works and he's speaking of retort. I mean, come on, man. I mean, come on, man. Is there a verse that says if you send, you're going to feel you're going to have a bad feeling about it? No, no, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. I said what I said that if if I sin, if I'm not grieved by that sin, if the spirit in me is not grieved, I think we got a problem. I also have a friend, David Wood, who you might might or may not know, who does not feel bad. Well, he has because he's diagnosed as a psychopath. He doesn't have those regular feelings that we have. He doesn't have that guilty conscious like people who are saved and not saved. But according to that logic, then he would not have the Holy Spirit because he doesn't feel bad. There's nothing about feeling bad as a condition of, of knowing that you're in the spirit. Nobody, there's nobody on this planet that doesn't produce good works. Because I mean, Bill and Melinda Gates, they produce good works and they're not Christians, but I would say it's a good work to save millions of Africans lives, right? I would say that even though like Bill Gates, people don't like Bill Gates. So maybe a bad example. Is that a man or a woman? I'm just kidding. So even if Paul was saying this in 1 Corinthians 13.5, all throughout 1 Corinthians, just look at 1 Corinthians 3. This is where we get the word carnal from. He's talking about us being carnal in the flesh. And then we look at 1 Corinthians 3, you look at verses 10 through 15. What is he saying? He's saying that the people who are saved, their works or their rewards will be burned up, but they'll still make it into heaven even if it's through the flames because these people are living like fleshly men. He says, I can't even call you Godly men. I think that's what he says, but he says you guys are still live like fleshly men, right? These people are fooling in the flesh. Paul does not threaten their salvation ever. He does not say, if you guys don't keep sinning, then you're not saved and you're gonna go to hell. He never gives them those passages in all of 1 Corinthians or 2 Corinthians. You know what I mean? And you would think that if that was the issue that he was trying to get that, it's not. And so over and over what you always see in the Bible, this Paul says, this is who you are. This is what Christ has done for you. Christ has did this for you. This is who you are. So act like it. Put me in, coach. Yeah. How come you don't want me, man? You made an assumption there too when you talked about how the people in prison, you said I'll talk to these people in prison who are doing all these things and then they would go out. Let's just say the worst kinds of sins. Doesn't really matter. We know that Christians can induce sin from the Bible and reality, right? We know that they continue to sin even after being saved. So just because there are sins that are greater, you know what I mean? That we can, that we subjectively consider greater than I think, hold on one second. Just because there are sins that we consider to be greater from our earthly perspective, before God, once in is all it takes is to ruin the perfection, right? Once in, we're no longer- But you need the last part though, John. The last part of one guy in particular, who was at church, said he believed- Oh, convert it to Islam. Convert Islam, was he saved? No, but he believed. 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I want to respond and give my reaction to the video, the live that brother Corey Miner, he's in the chat that he hosted with young Don reborn, aka preemie. That's what I call him. He's a preemie. It's all love. I would love to have a conversation with him, live debate, discussion, whatever with the scriptures. And I would definitely love to have a conversation, live debate, discussion, dialogue with what do you mean? I believe these brothers, I would consider them brothers. I don't know if young Don reborn would consider me a brother since I would basically ascribe to the doctrines of grace, i.e. Calvinism, i.e. tulip, total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace and perseverance or preservation of the saints. I hold to those, not because Calvin said it, but because Christ taught it. It is in the canon of scripture. I hold to all five unapologetically. That is the system of theology that I believe and that I hold to. I think that that does not make me any less of a brother in Christ. And I know that there are brothers and sisters in Christ who do not hold to the doctrines of grace and may be considered as three or four point, quote unquote, Calvinist, teaches on. But nonetheless, I can stand on my own 10 toes down and defend those doctrines and can do so unapologetically, fearlessly, and in love and in confidence that the word of God teaches all five of those tenets and all five of those points. So what I wanna do is just basically, go through these different minute markers and give you my commentary. I also provide scripture to support some of the points that were made. Hopefully, there will be a follow up conversation. I do believe that if people are going to talk about a particular doctrine or a particular belief that others hold to, they should be willing to allow those individuals that they disagree with or have issue or take umbrage with the opportunity to either defend or to denounce those positions. I wish I was able to have that opportunity on last week. I pulled all my hair out because I wasn't able to come into the playground. I wasn't able to join in any reindeer games. But hopefully, there will be an opportunity because my brother Corey Minor and I, we are discussing having a live debate regarding this. I knew my brother Corey said that he's not a Calvinist, but my brother smells Calvinist-y and he smells Armini-ish-y a little bit. So he got a little big mixture of cologne there. So, yeah, see, look at him. You see what I'm talking about? We don't wanna play with you. I don't know who's this we, but whatever. But yeah, so we're planning on maybe possibly having a discussion in debate on the doctrine of Calvinism, why I am a quote unquote Calvinist and I use those words just to identify a particular doctrinal paradigm and belief. It's not me beating my chest and saying, I'm a Calvinist, I'm a Christian and you're not. That has nothing to do with that. I'm a dispensationalist. I'm a Trinitarian. I'm a credo-baptist. I hold to those things because the Bible teaches it. So I don't have the problem identifying with a particular belief system insofar as that belief system aligns with the scriptures. That's it, that's it. And so I think we can have a great conversation. I think it'll be something that they'll be beneficial for the body of Christ to be able to observe. So be praying for that. Hopefully there'll be a conversation. Again, maybe y'all can tag what do you mean? I actually added him in the title of this video and of this stream, but for some reason his name didn't populate. Corey's populated, young Don reborn, his name populated, but what do you mean did not populate? Hopefully he didn't block me. Hopefully he didn't put me on some type of silence or whatever. I'm not sure, I'm not used to that type of thing if so, but I would love to have a conversation with that brother. I think that he has misrepresented what I believe and his views of what examining oneself is woefully short of what the scriptures teach. And I will, by God's grace, prove that in this live today. So what I need further to do, let's get to these clips and then I will give my response to the ones that I want to give attention to. So let's roll the first one. Bro, McCray, do me a favor. I'm gonna get your information and then we'll hook up. Put me in coach. Oh, oh, oh. That's how I was, y'all. When Corey was having these brothers on, I mean, I was over here like, bro, come on, man. First of all, ironically, Corey, you told me the other day when my stream was acting up to make sure that I have my phone on vibrate or something like that or make sure I'm looking at my phone because I never know if somebody's trying to send me a message. But brother, did you get my message? I know you got my message because you told me you did and you didn't want to bring me on. I'm hurt, brother. That really hurt my feelings. That really hurt my heart because I was over here having a conniption as I was hearing this back and forth in this banter of these gentlemen, these brothers in the faith, just drag the doctrines of grace. See, you see what I see? Look, look, look, you see that? He blocked me. And I bet he did too. I bet he did. I bet he did. Oh, man. Yeah, listen, it was on a simmer. It was on a slow boil. It was on a slow simmer. But yeah, I was over here, man, like, yo, come on, bro. Let me come on in. Let me come in. At least let me explain what we hold to, what we believe. But he said, nah, he said, you know what? Nah, I didn't want to bring you in. I didn't want to bring you in because I knew if I brought you in, listen. You know what? Maybe next time we can have a live and I may bring in. But that time I didn't want to bring you in because I was trying to talk to these gentlemen, but you all know how Cory goes. But anyway, so hopefully, bro, I'mma hold you to your word on that. Get this live set up. Let's have these brothers come back on and let's have a respectful, biblical dialogue and conversation about what Calvinists actually believe. This dude is so petty. Listen, pettyness is not a spiritual gift. Y'all see what he added that C on there? Y'all see that? But anyway, listen, let's go to the next clip. Yeah, that's good. Thanks for you guys having me on here too. And there's a lot kind of that just went through. But I guess my kind of thing is thinking about this is like, so when we think about, I guess I hear a lot of Calvinistic interpretations and I understand that we can talk about like some of the Greek and stuff like that, especially that first John passage. But that the kind of assumption there is like, I guess when we think back to how are we saved in the first place, right? And I think we all are on the same page with the fact that we're saved completely by grace through faith. And it's his righteousness that's imputed onto us in order to give us salvation, correct? So we're all on that same page, right? Yeah. Okay, so now if we have his imputed righteousness, I mean, this is just a practical question and we can start getting into the verses. But the practical question, if we're saved by his righteousness, obviously our righteousness does not play a role in our salvation, right? So I think we all agree that we're all once saved, always saved, right? Are all of us? Yep. Okay, okay. And out of curiosity, just to be clear, would you identify as a five point Calvinist just so I have kind of an idea of where you're coming from? No, I'm not a Calvinist. I guess if you're not a Calvinist, okay. Two and a half point, three point, whatever I'm not. So no, there are some beliefs that they have I agree with, but no, I'm not a Calvinist. And that is gonna be the conversation that Corey and I will be having. I need to know, how is it that you claim not to be a Calvinist, but you so talk like one when it comes to certain doctrines. Now, and we already discussed this offline and maybe he'll explain his position regarding the things that he does not believe regarding quote unquote, Calvinism and the things that he does hold to. It's kind of strange to me, but hopefully we'll be able to get our brother to unpack that and better elucidate his position than what he did in the life that he had with what do you mean and young Don. But yeah, I got questions brother. I got questions for you because I need to know what is it about these other, I think you had said that you were three, two or three pointer, what is it about these other two to three doctrines of grace that you take issue with? I kind of know. And that's what we're gonna try to unpack and talk about that. But let's get to the next clip. Okay, and do you believe in free will? I do. I believe, well, and I don't like to use the word free will because- Libertarian free will? I believe that we have the ability to choose I also believe that God has ability to choose. And so there are some things that because we are saved, the Holy Spirit is in us. I believe he causes us to do some things, not everything. And if we're not saved, then we've got something else that's also kind of working in us, which is that of the enemy. But do I believe that we have the ability to choose? I do. That's why one of the reasons why I don't believe in I'm not a Calvinist because I believe that we have mankind has the ability to choose to be saved. Whew, okay. Y'all heard what he said, right? He said that mankind has the ability to be saved. And Corey, I'm gonna press you on that. I'm gonna press you on that, my brother. Because if mankind has the ability to be saved, then what do we do with what our Lord says? What do we do with what Jesus says in John 15, 16? Of course, he's talking to the disciples, but the application is definitely for us as well too. Jesus said, you did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit. Why, Jesus? So that and that your fruit would remain so that whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you. Corey, I'm gonna ask you to act. I'm kind of giving you some prep time. I'm gonna give you some time because I don't wanna take you completely out, but nonetheless, nonetheless, you're gonna have to ask that question. Well, no, no, no, no. We can play it back. You want me to play back what you said? Let's play back what you said. Because then that way, I don't wanna misquote you, sir. Let me play back what you said. Okay, and do you believe in free will? I do. I believe, well, and I don't like to use the word free will because- Libertarian free will? I believe that we have the ability to choose. I also believe that God has ability to choose. And so there are some things that because we are saved, the Holy Spirit is in us, I believe he causes us to do some things, not everything. And if we're not saved, then we've got something else that's also kind of working in us, which is that of the enemy. But do I believe that we have the ability to choose? I do. That's why one of the reasons why I don't believe in, I'm not a Calvinist because I believe that we have, mankind has the ability to choose to be saved. So mankind has the ability to choose to be saved. Is that pre-regeneration, pre-conversion or post-regeneration, post-conversion? Because again, the question still remains. The question still remains. What did Jesus say? He makes an indicative statement in verse 16. You did not choose me, but I chose you. And appointed you that you would go and bear fruit and that your fruit will remain so that whatever you ask of my father in my name, he may give it to you. So the question again is raised. How does mankind choose to be saved? Now, if you mean he chooses to be saved after regeneration, after being made alive, then I got you. But if you're saying that mankind, sinful, God-hating mankind prior to conversion has the ability in himself to be saved, then we've got a problem, Houston. And I know you live in Dallas, but we have a problem. Because my question is, when did man become alive to be able to choose to be saved? When did his resurrection come into effect? Did it come into effect by him resurrecting himself? Or did it come to effect by what God did outside of himself? That will be my question. That will be my question. And so we'll try to go back and forth on that. But yeah, I don't see in scripture, mankind having the ability, apart from being made alive, being chosen before the foundation of the world and being given new life to a dead soul. Mankind could not do that. So yes, if mankind is only free to do what is in concert or in conjunction with his nature. And since we know that everyone born of Adam, post Genesis three has a sin nature that does not want God. That's what the scripture says. So let's look at a couple more texts. Let's look at Ephesians. I was reminded this is a little joke and only some people only know this. When I was a kid, this man, and I'm not gonna mention his name because it may be somebody know maybe watching him, but this man had a problem. He couldn't say Ephesians. And so when we was at church and he was time for him to give the scripture reading and he would read from Ephesians, he would always say Epheges and I would just bust out laughing and I would get in trouble every time I did. But nonetheless, it's still funny. But Ephesians chapter one, verse four, Paul says just as he chose us in him, that is God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. Why? That we might, that we would be holy and blameless before him. And of course, the breaks there, it says in love, but that we may be, that we would be holy and blameless before him. And we all notice other texts. Ephesians chapter two, verse one through five. Look what Paul says. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins. Past tense, he says and you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you formally walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Verse three, among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. But God, we all love that, right? But God being rich in mercy because of his great love, not because of our will, not because he looked down the corridors of time and saw that we would be choosing him. And that's why he didn't know. It says because of his great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead. I mean, how much clearer do we have to be here? Right there. Even when we were dead in our transgressions. Notice what he did, right there. Made us alive. Made us alive. Together with Christ. By grace you have been saved. Let me continue verse six on out and raise us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus so that in the ages to come he might show the surpassing riches of his grace and kindness toward us in Christ Jesus for by grace who have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God not as a result of works so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works with God pre-prepared beforehand that we would walk in them. That's the scriptures. I don't see how man can choose anything apart from his sinful nature until or unless he has been given divine stimuli from above. He has to be made from above. He has to be on an anathan. He has to be born from above in order to be able to choose that which is pleasing to Christ pleasing to God by the power of the Holy Spirit and that is salvation. He must be born again. And he can't do that on his own. He has no part at all in his salvation. None whatsoever. Salvation is monogistic. God alone is the one who gets the glory and he deserves it all. All of it. The moment you claim or I claim that we had anything to do in our justification being made right with God we have now robbed God of his glory and we have now become glory whores. And God says he shares his glory with no one. That includes you and that includes me. But let's continue. Does God, first we all would agree that obviously God hates sin. He has said he's gonna do something about sin. His statement in regards to doing something about sin is that he is going to one, not let that be the issue that he sees with us. We are atoned by our faith but he literally says in Zika 36 that he's going to cause us to walk in his teachings. And then we know that the Holy Spirit in us the result, the carposs, the result of the Holy Spirit in us according to Galatians five are some actual things that we do. Now we don't measure them. We don't say, well, I've done this, this, I've done that, or he or I didn't do this. No, we don't, that part is subjective. It's up to God the reason why is because only us or me and God can actually identify. Paul says, let every man examine himself. And I agree with Corey on that. Let every man examine himself. That is so clear. So you have no argument with that. And that's my point. My brother, he sounds, he sounds Calvinistic. And like I said, maybe one of the points brother that you hold into and that's fine. So I'll let you, I'll let you pass on that one. I give you, I give you a pass on that. You're good with me in that regard, but let's, let's continue on. I've only been studying the Bible in this right for what? Now seven months. Hold up. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Uh-uh, you can't tell me nothing. Yeah, I'm gonna play that again. I've only been studying the Bible in this right for what? Now seven months. Hold up. Hey. Hey. Uh-uh, you can't tell me nothing. Yeah, young man, young brother, you don't need to be saying anything right now about salvation and who's a Christian and who's not. Bro, listen, you're a neophyte, my man. You're a young pup in the faith. You know, James chapter three verse one says, not many of you become teachers, my brother. Can I paraphrase that for a little bit, do y'all mind if I paraphrase that? Let not many of you become social media influencers with a platform. Let me qualify that. Let not many of you Christians become social media influencers. Let not many of you, my brethren, who have huge platforms that are able to communicate information thereby cause people to be swayed into a different belief. Why? Because you're gonna be judged stricter with a stricter judgment. Every last one of us in here, every last one of us in here are influencers by default. Whether you have one person or whether you have one million persons following, it doesn't matter. Whatever the number you have, however many subscribers you have, it does not matter. What matters is God is gonna hold us accountable for what we say through these microphones and through these streams. And if we represent Christ, then we are His ambassadors. That means we say what His word says and that is it. Young brother, you remind me of the new convert that just gets saved and now they wanna lead Bible study. They wanna lead a congregation. No, this is why 1 Timothy chapter three verse six says one of the qualifications and one of the prohibitions is is that if you are an elder, you must not be a new convert. If you wanna be an elder, you cannot just be in the game and you just came out the spiritual birth canal and you still smell like pablum. And like the mayor said on do the right thing, you can't even pee straight spiritually speaking. Spiritually speaking, you still wet in the toilet seat, bro. You're not aiming right. You're not aiming for the high call in the mark of that toilet. You splashing all over the place with your doctrine. You need to step back, sit back and sit down. And I say that, I say that in love, bro. I say that in love. You have 345,000 subscribers. That's a lot of influence, my man. And God is gonna hold you accountable for that. So when you tell people that somebody is a heretic because they don't believe what you believe and you don't back it up with book chapter verse, you my friend have now become a bearer of false witness. You have now become one who's soul's discord amongst the brethren. Need to be very careful with that, sir. Need to be very careful with that. Craig, thank you, brother, for the super sticker. Thank you, I appreciate that, Craig. So yeah, I just think we need to be mindful of that. The Bible doesn't say let the younger men teach the older men. The Bible says let the older men teach the young men. Let the older women teach the younger women. You have a man that's on your, you're a man that was, that you was on his channel, that's older than other to be your daddy, bro. And see, passion is one thing, but misplaced passion is disrespectful. It's disrespectful. Ain't either guard your heart with that. Sheila, thank you so much. Thank you for that. I really appreciate that. Thank you. And I hope you all are hearing the spirit behind what I'm saying. It's not me dissing, but I'm being real. This is how we get down over here, okay? Because in the context of that clip, he was going out to Alan Parr. Now I got issues with Alan Parr. I still have issues with Alan Parr affirming heretics like Marcus Rogers. I haven't forgotten about that. And Alan Parr needs to be held accountable for that. But they call Alan Parr a heretic? No, can't do that. Now I would say that Alan Parr is being a traitor when you up here allowing trojan horses like Marcus Rogers and talking about making bridges and building bridges with heretics that look kind of sus, but we can be balanced with this, right? Because we're a family and family should be able to check family, all right? So let's get to the next clip. He has received the gospel, rejected the gospel in favor for a gospel, a Calvinist gospel that relies upon works. How does a Calvinist gospel, young brother, rely upon works? Where are you getting that from? And see, again, this is why I was scratching and pulling my hair out. I'm like, Corey, let me in, dog. Let me in, let me in, let me in. Because this dude has 345,000 subscribers. That he just made that statement to. He made a so-called declarative statement regarding a doctrine that I know for a fact he has not studied. Forget about the history of the doctrine. Let's just deal with the biblical context of that doctrine. So for that young brother to say that, brother, when you said that, that's slanderous, brother. That's slanderous. I'm not understanding how you could even make that statement like that and say it was such force as though that was true. It's not true, my brother. And notice I'm calling you a brother until you prove otherwise, that's what I call you. But you're calling people because they hold to Calvinism or dispensationalism. And brother, you don't know your history, dude. If you're seven months in, if you're seven months in, bro, your legs are still weak. Your legs are still, your legs are still like noodles. You're not able to walk this stuff out. But you're talking as though you are. You're strong and wrong. You're like what Peter, like what Paul said to Timothy. And first Timothy, when he said, wanting to be teachers of the law, wanting to be teachers of the law, but they don't even know the things they talk about, although they're making confident assertions in doing so. You're strong and wrong, bro. You're strong and wrong. So how is Calvinism a doctrine based on works? Explain this to me. Explain to me Ephesians 2, 8, and 9 because that's what us quote unquote Calvinists hold to. We hold to by grace. It is for by grace that we have been saved through faith. And that not of your sales. We didn't do anything to earn it. We didn't do anything to get it. It was by God's grace that we are saved. Period. Full stop. That is it. And that not of your sales, it is a gift of God. This is so, so, so how is, how is it that we are basing a salvation? Calvinism is a works based salvation. No, Calvinism is not a works based salvation. It is a word based salvation because the word of God says is by grace we've been saved through faith. That not of your sales is the gift of God. Not as a result of works. Not as a result of my works. Why? Because if it was a result of my works, then I would have a reason to boast. And Paul said, eh, wrong answer. You don't. You don't. You don't have any reason to boast at all. So when you make these statements, bro, I'm just asking you. Help me understand how are you calling Calvinists heretics and calling what we believe heresy. I would love to have this opportunity live either on your platform or on mine, but that needs to be cleared up. That needs to be dealt with. You have too many subscribers, too many followers who just heard that and you need to be able to defend that. You need to defend that or you need to stand, you need to stand back and stand down on that statement. You need to denounce that because that was straight up slanderous. It was slanderous. There's no, there's no, there's no way of getting around that. None whatsoever. What clip are we at? I think I'm at this one. He has received the gospel, rejected the gospel in favor for a God. And so now when you ask the question of how do you know you're saved, the Bible never tells us to look to ourselves to see if we're saved with the possible verse when people say in 2 Corinthians 13-5 they use that verse to say that this is Paul's saying even though Paul's talking rhetorically, I believe in context. What do you mean? How is Paul talking rhetorically? He's not using rhetoric when he says examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith. Matter of fact, let's just go there and see if that's what he says because I don't recall Paul saying that. 2 Corinthians chapter 13 verse five. And in the context, this is Paul's second letter that we have in our hands. 2 Corinthians chapter 13 verse five. Test yourselves if you are in the faith. Examine yourselves for wait a minute. You have two commands here. One right here, test. You see that? Periazzo means to try to prove. Examine another imperative. So is Paul speaking rhetorically or is Paul speaking authoritatively brother? I would hold to the latter. He's speaking authoritatively. He's telling these Corinthians, these immature Corinthians to do something, to test themselves to see whether they are in the faith. And this is not the first time that Paul's actually, this is the second time, give or take. Give or take. He said it in 1 Corinthians chapter 11. Y'all remember that? Remember Paul admonishing the Corinthians to do something before they take the Lord's table? What does he say here? Verse 28. But a man must examine himself. Wait a minute, another command? Documazzo means to discern, to test, to prove. But a man must examine himself and in so doing, he is to eat the of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, judgment on himself if he does not, wait a minute, do what? If we don't do what Paul? Diocrino to judge the body in not just any kind of way, but rightly, thoroughly, correctly. Brother John? And he says, when you don't do this, verse 30. For this reason, many among you are weak and sick and in a number of sleep. But he says, verse 31, if we judged our sales, if you had did what I told you to do in verses 28 and 29, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord. And here's the reason why. So that is the purpose. We will not be condemned along with the world. John, help me understand something, bro. I need you to help me understand something, brother. I need you to help me understand something because you're making some strong statements. You're saying that Paul is speaking rhetorically. I don't see rhetoric in that text. I don't know if anybody else, do y'all see rhetoric in his admonition to the Corinthian church? If you see Paul using rhetoric, put up a one. If you don't, put up a two. And I'll populate your comment. Just tell me, where do you see Paul using rhetoric? And in that, in his admonition to the Corinthian church, he's telling them because they've been tripping. He's telling them because they don't act like Christians. He said, look, examine yourself, examine yourself. Make sure you say who you are. If you're a Christian, then act like it. If you're a Christian, then show some signs as the old folks say. Let's continue. If you're a five point Calvinist, this position makes sense because we don't have free wills. So therefore, if you're saved, God is going to make you produce good works. But on any non-Calvinistic view, it does not make sense. This is why I think Protestants are hopelessly confused when it comes to works because they're trying to use Calvinistic interpretations in order to understand their own theology. Trying to use Calvinistic interpretation in order to understand our own theology. Again, I'm not sure where you're getting that from. What do you mean? So what do you mean, what do you mean when you say that? What is a Calvinistic interpretation? I thought Christians are supposed to use biblical interpretation. What does the text say? That's all I care about is what does the text say? I don't care about what Calvin says, what John MacArthur says, what you say, your mama say, my mama, Corey say. I don't care what nobody says. What does the scripture say when it comes to how man is saved? And how does man please God once they are saved? Well, he says, if you love me, you'll keep my commandments. That's what the Bible says. So if I love God, number one, the Bible says, we love, the apostle John says, we love because he first loved us. And the love of God, Paul says, has been poured out into our hearts. So the love that we have, it is a gift from God. And all we're doing is giving back to God what he gave to us. So my obedience is an expression of my love for him. That's not Calvinistic doctrine, sir. That's just Christian doctrine based on what the word of God says. I'm not understanding that. And maybe again, you can help me whenever we talk because I believe when you brother makes statements like this, you got to stand 10 toes down and be able to defend it. I have no problem doing it. I hope you do too. How then do I know, I am saying, how do I know I trust him? Because there are people who truly legitimately believe that they're saved and they believe that Jesus Christ, they have the same profession you have that Jesus Christ died on the cross. What makes that person who also believed like Simon, the sorcerer in Acts eight who believed, a different tense of the verb is used, who believed and is not saved or the ones in the parable of the sower who believed, but they aren't. What's the difference? There's got to be something when Paul says to examine himself, examine what? Because I can promise you, and I have met so many of these people who, yeah, matter of fact, in retrospect, I really didn't. I understand because having a head and I was understanding that Jesus died on the cross. Well, that's not it, is it? I grew up, my brother just said. And in the context of that clip, they were basically saying, opposite of what Corey is saying with the scripture says, many people can profess to know Christ, but how do we know a person who professes to know Christ? I mean, how do we know that? By how they live, by what they practice. So I agree with Corey 100%, 100% on that. This is why I think conversations like this that we're trying to have are important because when you and I make these comments like this and we just make broad sweeping general statements about a person's beliefs and views, and they're not able to defend it or they're not able to elucidate it or they're not able to say, hey, that's not what I meant. What I meant to say was this, or no, this is what I mean, and this is what I said. So then that way the viewer could, number one, have a better understanding of the individual. And number two, not have a preconceived notion about the individual, which is most of the times negative. So these conversations must be had. They must take place because too much is already being stated, but at the same time, what's being stated if it's not clear or if there's no clarity or there's no one able to be able to further explain their position and it's just left out there, then you're gonna have individuals drawing conclusions about people like me that are not true. And I'd rather be understood once you and I talk than to be misunderstood and you refuse to talk to me. Right? Jesus didn't say we're gonna follow him? No, you're asking me what the Holy Spirit is for. I'm telling you what Jesus says. Okay, well, but what I asked you was what does that passage refer to? What does it mean when God says either in Jeremiah 39 or Ezekiel 36, when God says that his spirit is gonna cause us. Now, to what degree? He doesn't say. I think you're implying that God forces us to do things. No, no, no, no. He says cause us to walk. What do you believe he means when he says cause? I just told you what he means. I believe he means he's gonna cause us to walk in his teachings and not depart from it. Cause, because I think I understand you're mean by the word cause. What do you mean by that? Does he make us do it? Well, here's what we can do. Let's go look at the word. Without trying to figure it out, we can just look at what the word cause is this word here, which is to make. This is the word. This is the word I saw. So are you saying God makes it? But you would still say that. Yeah, cause you would still say that we have to yield to the Holy Spirit, right? We do now. Now does he make us? Unless you're a Calvinist. Does he make us do, huh? I said, I said, you would agree that we have the, we have, we could choose to yield to the spirit or not, right? Unless you don't believe the Holy Spirit. We have, we have militia and there's, there's this tension because we still have the flesh. We still have the spirit, but he said what he's going to do. Now he didn't say totally complete. We know that's not going to happen. But if he says the word I saw in Hebrew, I saw how it is mean to cause us to walk. I think I can give you an explanation for what he means by cause, right? What's it mean? If you hire a personal trainer and he tells you how to structure your diet and your exercise routine to lose weight, then you can say that the personal trainer was a cause in you losing that weight. But you're the one who had to pick up the weight. You're the one who had to like to follow the diet regimen. In the same way the Holy Spirit directs us in how we should live our lives. But it's either God makes us do it by force or we choose to do it. You can't have it both ways. So if we choose- Wait a second, wait a second though. He said, I didn't. And the word that's there is to make. The word, let me go back to the screen. Stand on something. I'm saying does God make us do things or do we choose to do things? What does he say is going to happen? The Holy Spirit is going to cause us to, Okay, here's the problem. But you're assuming, yeah. What in the Richard Simmons is going on here? How do we get from God making and God putting his spirit in us and causing us to do what he has ordained and decree that we do to go into the gym and having someone follow a exercise regimen? See, this is what happens when we try to use human analogies to better understand a holy God. Instead of just saying what the text said, like my brother just mentioned, like Cory just said, what does the text say? He showed it. The brother showed this man, this young man, what does cause mean? It means to make. Simple, it means to make, to do something. Yeah, that's what it means. So instead of trying to rescue God, how about you just let God be God? How about you, young Don and brother John? How about you brothers just let God be God instead of trying to make God into what you want him to be? Which is really idolatry. Because anything outside of what God reveals himself in the scriptures is a form of idolatry. But since you asked the question and I believe you made the comment about does God, does God cause us to do something? Does he make us choose to do something? How have you phrased it, termed it? I'm gonna show you in scripture, New Testament, then I'm gonna go back to the Old Testament and I'm gonna show you how powerful this God that we serve is. So first Peter chapter one and verse three, notice what he says. First Peter one, three, Peter an apostle of Jesus Christ, notice to those who are what? Who reside as aliens, hmm. Who reside as aliens or pyramids, scattered through Pontius, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bethenia, who are chosen, elect. According to the foreknowledge of God, foreknowledge does not mean that God is looking down a corridor at the time and he said, oh, young Don, he wants to get saved. So I'm gonna save him because he wants to be saved. No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Means to foreknow, means to forelove. And he says, according to God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the spirit to obey, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What you say, Pete? Apostle Pete's just saying to us, go back again to verse two. According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the spirit to obey Jesus Christ. This is why we are chosen? Yeah, verse one, who are chosen, verse two, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the spirit to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood. Oh, the atoning work of the cross. Yeah, may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. Hmm, what you say? That's a mouthful, is it not? He said a mouthful right there. So not only does God choose to save us, he chooses to save us so that we will obey him. What's the implication? Come here. The implication is if God does not choose us to be saved to obey him, we will never obey him left to ourselves. That's how corrupt, that's how sinful man is. Left to man's self on his best day, he will never, ever choose Christ. Thank you Holy Spirit. I'll show we'll go there. Psalm 14, the foolish said in his heart there is no God. They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds, there is no one who does good. Verse two, the Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. So God is doing like this. You know, like Shirley Caesar looking? Yeah, here I knows the answer to his question looking. He says he's looking down from heaven to do what? To see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. And what did he come back? What was his result? What was the conclusion of his search? They have all turned aside. Together they have become corrupt. There is no one who does good, not even one. Wait a minute, does that smell like Romans three? I think it does. Let's see if Romans three is anywhere. Romans three looks like it's right here. It looks like verse two to see if anyone who understand that sounds like Romans three. They all have turned aside. That sounds like Romans three. There's no one who does good, not even one. That sounds like Romans three. Does it sound like Romans three to y'all? I'm just asking. The Psalmist says right here though, and do not enter into judgment what you're serving for. In your sight, no man living is righteous. No man living is righteous. It just sounds like Romans three to me. It just smells like Romans three. None of us, none of us. And oh by the way, if you read the first chapter, the first three chapters of Romans, Paul talks about the wickedness of the unbeliever. He says the wrath of God is upon those individuals. Why? Because they restrain or they hold back or they press down the truth. And they press down the truth. They refuse to hear the truth by their behavior, by what they do. And then in chapter two of Romans, you have this moralist Jew, because Paul is referring to these people. He says you who think that you're better than these sinners, you're no better than these sinners because you claim that you don't do these things, but you're doing the very things that these people do by your hypocritical attitudes and judgments. So now unless he deal with the sinner in chapter one, he deals with the moral individual who says, well, I'm glad I ain't like these people. I don't do all this and do all that. Paul says, yeah, you do. You think that your quote unquote morality and righteousness that you think you have is good and God says it's not either. And then to make sure that Paul covers everybody, verse chapter three says, there's none of us who does good, not even one. So you have the sinner pressing down, suppressing it, refusing to submit to the law of God. You have the moral person who thinks that they're better than the sinner. And in their own righteousness and hypocrisy, God says through Paul, yeah, I'm gonna judge you based on your own self-righteousness. And then in chapter three, he says, none of us are good. None of us, none of us are good. So my question to you, brother is, yeah, God is the one who is in charge because apart from God choosing to save us and causing us to be born again and choosing to elect us, I'm reminded of the song from the Winans called Millions. Y'all remember it? Millions didn't make it, but I was one of the ones who did. Yeah. Can we say billions? Because there's about seven billion on this planet right now. And God chose to save you and me out of seven billion, not because you're smarter than the average bear, not because of who your mom and your daddy was. No, no, because of his sovereign providence, his sovereign mercy, and his inestimable grace. That's it. That is it. And since you and I know that it was apart from ourselves, nothing in ourselves made God want us, we will always live in gratitude and in thankfulness for what God has done on our behalf. And we want other people to be a part of the remnant of his elect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that note? I made it over, yeah, that note, yes. And we made it over by his grace, by his grace. But wait a minute, because I promise you one in the New Testament, this was a freebie in the old, let's see how God can make a person do something that they didn't want to do and in their own nature and inclination was about to do something and God stopped it. That's just one, just one, just one, just one, just one. Just one. Let's go to Genesis, chapter 20. Let's start at verse one. Are y'all all right? Talk to me, y'all all right? We good? We good? I wanna make sure we good. I won't be before you're too long. I got about one, two, three, four, five, six, eight more clips, eight more clips. Now Abraham journeyed from there toward the land of the Negev and settled between Kadesh and Shur, then he sojourned in Garar. Abraham said of Sarah, his wife, she is my sister. So Abimelech, king of Garar sent and took Sarah. But God came to Abimelech in a dream of the night and said to him, behold, you are a dead man. Because of the woman whom you have taken for she is married. Now Abimelech had not come near her and he said, Lord, will you slay a nation even though blameless? Abimelech like, really, Lord, what would I do? He says, did he not himself say to me, she is my sister? And she herself said, both of them said, Lord, he is my brother and the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands I have done this. Abimelech like, Lord, I ain't even doing nothing. I'm just going about what the man's saying. And you about to kill us, you about to kill me? And notice what God said, verse six. Then God said to him in the dream, yes, I know that in the integrity of your heart you have done this and I also kept you from sinning against me. Hmm, come on, talk to me. Where you at, young darn reborn? Where you at, what do you mean? How powerful, how sovereign is our God? Talk to me. He says, I kept you from sinning against me. Therefore, I did not let you touch her. I did not let you have sex with her. I did not let you conjugally meet with her. So even in a natural, in a natural reaction to a woman, God says, nope, I'm not letting you touch her. Can I just ask this one question? Just this one question. Just this one question. You're telling me that God is sovereign and powerful enough to stop someone from having conjugal relationships, but he's not sovereign and powerful enough to cause someone to be converted and born again. That's the kind of God we're talking about that we serve. I think not. I think not. I think not. I don't know what kind of God y'all have, but the kind of God I serve, he's sovereign over all his creation. He's the shock caller. He's the boss. What he says goes in his kingdom. Don't believe me asking Nebuchadnezzar. He'll tell you. Nebuchadnezzar had to learn the hard way, but listen, this is what the scripture says. So let me ask you all the question. Where have I said anything? That's Calvinist interpretation. Explain it to me. Tell me, I'm asking. I'm sincerely asking. Tell me where am I bringing my Calvinist interpretation into these texts? All I'm doing is giving you what the say of the Lord. He calls us to be born again and first Peter one, one through three. That's just one of them. That's just one of them. And then he calls someone not to have sex with someone that he was attracted to. Sounds like sovereignty to me. I don't know what it sounds like to y'all, but it sounds like sovereignty to yours truly. I have literally seen people, remember I've been around the worst of the worst. I've been around the guy who says, yeah, I believe you. I know they can write it out and then we'll go out and rape a man, kill him, stab him up or whatever in the guards. I've seen it. And then have no more, and then convert to Islam. Well, wait a second. Hold up at that moment. At that moment, that guy looked like and said it. So my point is this, I think at least what I get from Alan, but there's assumptions behind what you're saying though. That's why I say this guys. I don't know. None of us know. Only that's what Paul says. Well, see that's what Paul says, let a man examine himself. Well, that's not true, but. Hold on, Paul didn't say let a man examine himself? No, Paul, he says to see if you're in the faith, but he's not talking about the works and he's speaking of retort. I think I've already touched on this one. I think I've already addressed this. I think I've already addressed this in the earlier clip. If you're saying that Paul is using rhetoric, he says examine yourself to see if you are in the faith. I mean, you can't make it say anything more than what it needs to say. I just don't understand how you can argue and claim that this is rhetoric. It's not rhetoric. It's a command. It's an imperative. He's telling the reader, he's telling his followers to do something, to make sure. And that's a warning for all of us that we can be self-deceived if we're not careful thinking that because we did certain things that that makes us right with God. No, believing is a process. It's a continual process. I believe in Christ in conversion. I keep believing in Christ being conformed to the image of his son, being conformed to the image of him by the power of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, for the glory of Christ in his name. Sanctification is a process. It's not a one-stop shop. So saying that it's rhetoric, just saying that you can't prove that. Again, I would love for you to be able to accept the opportunity and my invitation for you and I, brother, what do you mean to have this conversation? Because just saying that it ain't, don't make it ain't. Saying that something is not true, don't make it true, unless you can prove upon scripture and based on scripture that it is not true. I don't want to say anything other than what God's word says and only what God's word says. I have literally seen people, literally. Remember, I've been around the worst of the worst. I've been around the guy who says, yeah, I believe you. I know they can write it out. Is there a verse that says if you sin, you're gonna have a bad feeling about it? No, no, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. I said what I said that if I sin, if I'm not grieved by that sin, if the spirit in me is not grieved, I think we got a problem. I agree with Corey 100%. We have a huge problem because a person who's been born again, they have a new heart, they have new affections, they have new desires. It doesn't mean that we're gonna be perfect, but it does mean that when we sin, it should bother us. It should affect us in some shape, form, or fashion. Let's go to, and I'm in clip number 12, I think I am. I think I'm at 12. Let's see, yeah, I think I'm at 12. Clip number 12, I think, yes. So let's go to second Corinthians, chapter seven, verse 10 through 11. For a sorrow that is accorded to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but to solve the world produces death. Verse 11, for behold, what earnestness, this very thing, this godly sorrow has produced in you, what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what avenging of wrong, in everything you demonstrated, you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent of the matter. Now this is what Paul is talking about in to the Corinthian church. Again, he gives a contrast, worldly sorrow and godly sorrow. He says worldly sorrow produces death. Godly sorrow produces life, and it shows itself in how we respond once we realize that we've sinned. And just in case some of y'all may think that Paul didn't struggle with sin, he sure did, Paul the apostle, chapter seven, Romans seven, verse 14 to 25. He says, for we know that the law is spiritual, but I am a flesh sold into bondage of sin. Notice, for what I am doing, I do not understand, for I am not practicing what I would like to do. Wait a minute, wait a minute, Paul, he's not passing the buck, he's not blame shifting. He says, for what I am doing, I do not understand. I don't get it. I'm scratching my head here, Paul is saying. For I am not practicing what I like to do, or I am not practicing what I like, what I like to, but I am doing the very thing I hate. Do you think there's a, do you think, do you think a person who was truly saved, you think a person who was truly saved, that this is how they will talk, right? But you think a person who is not, you think a person who's just playing games will really have this type of attitude and disposition toward their sin. It's like, have you ever been mad? Have you ever been angry at yourself? Anybody, has anybody ever been angry and upset at themselves? When you know that you should be further along and you'll walk with the Lord and you allow yourself to get caught up and tripped up and you just anger at yourself. Paul says, but if I do the very thing I do not want, I agree with the law. That the law is good. So now no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. So Paul is talking about this residual sin, this remaining notice not raining because in chapter six, he says don't let sin rain in your mortal bodies. But now he's battling with this remaining sin. Verse 17 again, he says, so now no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. Verse 18, for I know that nothing good dwells in me that is in my flesh, for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. I wanna do what's right. Verse 19, for the good I want, for the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. That sound like a struggle. That don't sound like Paul is celebrating sin. That sound like Paul is struggling and Paul is saying, hey, I hate this. Yes, I'm saved, but I'm hating what I am dealing with. I hate it. I'm practicing the very evil that I don't wanna practice. Verse 20, but if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. He sounds like a schizo, right? He's not. He's showing and giving us the struggle between the two natures. I find then, verse 21, the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur, I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members, wretched man that I am. Who will set me free from the body of this death? People are saying this was Paul prior to conversion. How? How is this Paul prior to conversion? No, this is Paul post conversion. How do we know this? Wretched man that I am. Who will set me free from this body of death? A sinner don't talk like this, but a saint does. And then verse 25, nails it. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ, our Lord. The sinner doesn't claim that Jesus is their Lord. No, not in a sincere sense, no you don't. So then, on the one hand, I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other with my flesh, the law of sin. The law of sin. So yes, what do you mean? A true Christian is going to feel bad. A true Christian is not just gonna feel bad. They're gonna feel sorrow. They're gonna be broken. They're going to show repentance over their sin. A true Christian will. A true Christian will. Why? Because they've been given a new heart. Given new affections, new desires. This is what they've been given. Hope I'm making sense. Because I was cramming to understand how these brothers were saying something opposite of what Cory was talking about, because it sounded pretty clear to me. Let me make sure I got this right clip. I may hit this one, and then if it's the wrong one, I'll skip it. I have literally seen people. Is there a verse that says, if you've seen you're gonna feel, you're gonna also have a friend, David Wood, who you might or may not know, who does not feel bad? Because he's diagnosed as a psychopath. He doesn't have those regular feelings that we have. He doesn't have that guilty conscience, like people who are saved and not saved. But according to that logic, then he would not have the Holy Spirit because he doesn't feel bad. There's nothing about feeling bad as a condition of knowing that you're in the spirit. And see, David Wood is not the standard, though, brother. David Wood is not the standard. I don't care how David Wood feels about sin. I care how what God says, how we're supposed to feel about our sin, and how we're supposed to respond about our sin. See, that's the issue. See, my standard is the scriptures. A person can claim that they don't have a feeling about this or that. I don't care how you feel. I care about what the word of God says by faith in what his word declares. So help me understand how if an individual doesn't feel remorse over his sin, that makes that the standard. No, if you don't feel remorse over your sin, you may want to examine yourself then. Because again, I showed you that Paul struggled with sin. He fought, he battled with it. And we see that because by the Holy Spirit, he allowed Paul to write his own struggles with sin and how sin is making him grieve because he desires to please God. He's not arguing with the word of God about what his sin says and what his sin is doing to him. That's the difference. Different between a person that's godly, sorrowful versus a person who's worldly sorrowful, is how do they respond when it's time to deal with the sin? Do they make excuses or do they make confessions? That's the question. Nobody, there's nobody on this planet that doesn't produce good works because I mean, Bill and Melinda Gates they produce good works and they're not Christians but I would say it's a good work to say millions of Africans lives, right? I would say that even though Bill Gates, people don't like Bill Gates so maybe a bad example. Yeah, a very bad example. So bad that I got to pull up the proverbs. Very, very, very bad example. Yeah, let's see. Proverbs chapter 15, the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord but the prayer of the upright is his delight. The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord but he loves one who pursues righteousness. Chapter 12, verse 10. A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel. You know, this good works that you mentioned by what standard are you making this to be the standard that you are claiming to deposit here? Luke chapter 18, verse 21. Remember the story of the rich young ruler, right? A ruler questioned him, that is Jesus, questioned him saying, good teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said to him, why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments, do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother. Notice what he said in verse 21. And he said, all these things I have kept from my youth. And when Jesus heard this, he said to him, one thing you still lack, sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor. And you should have treasure in heaven and come follow me. But when he heard these things, he became very sad. Why? For he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, how hard is it for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God? For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. You know what his sin was? Covetiousness. You know what his sin was? Idolatry. Yeah, I kept these other ones. Yeah, yeah, one thing you lack though. The thing that you love, sell all that and come follow me. Then we can talk. Then let's see how much you claim to love me. Yeah. Then we'll see how much you willing to follow me, Jesus says. Let's go to the next clip. Even if Paul was saying this in 1 Corinthians 13.5, all throughout 1 Corinthians, just look at 1 Corinthians 3. This is where we get the word carnal from. He's talking about us being carnal in the flesh. And then we look at 1 Corinthians 3, you look at verses 10 through 15. What is he saying? He's saying that the people who are saved, their rewards will be burned up, but they'll still make it into heaven even if it's through the flames. Because these people are living fleshly men. He says, I can't even call you God in men. I think that's what he says but he says you guys are still live like fleshly men, right? These people are fooling in the flesh. Paul does not threaten their salvation ever. He does not say, if you guys don't keep sinning, then you're not saved and you're gonna go to hell. He never gives them those passages in all of 1 Corinthians or 2 Corinthians. You know what I mean? And you would think that if that was the issue that he was trying to get that it's not. And so over and over what you always see in the Bible is Paul says, this is who you are. This is what Christ has done for you. Christ has did this for you. This is who you are. So act like it. Yeah, well the only problem with that is is that yeah, he has given warnings. And we discussed that. We discussed 2 Corinthians 13.5. Again, maybe when you, or if you desire or if you decide to come up and we can have this conversation, maybe you can help me understand why you keep saying that 2 Corinthians 13.5 is not an admonition or a command for us to examine ourselves when Paul makes it clear. That's exactly what he's saying. He puts it in the imperative. He's commanding them. He's telling them to do this. Just like he did in 1 Corinthians 11 in his first letter to the Corinthians. It's not rhetoric, brother. It is a command revealed in scripture to the Corinthian church on what they were to do to themselves in preparation of taking the lower supper and also assessing whether or not they are in the kingdom of God or are they self-deceived? So again, Ephesians chapter 2 verse 10 for we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. I mean, that's good news to me. I don't know about anybody else. That's good news to me. That God prepared us, he made us, he elected us to do good works prepared beforehand. I mean, how good is that? Prepare beforehand that we will walk or should walk in them. Let's continue. You made an assumption there too when you talked about how the people in prison, you said I'll talk to these people in prison who are doing all these things and then they would go out. Let's just say the worst kinds of sins. Doesn't really matter. We know that Christians can induce sin from the Bible and reality, right? We know that they continue to sin even after being saved. So just because they're sins that are greater, you know what I mean? That we subjectively consider greater than I think, hold on one second. Just because there's sins that we consider to be greater from our earthly perspective, before God, once and as all it takes is to ruin the perfection, right? Once sin. But you hit the last part though, John. The last part of one guy in particular who was at church, said he believed. Oh, convert it to Islam. Convert Islam, was he saying? No, but what he believed. Is it possible for a Christian, think about Hebrews, the whole book of Hebrews. What is it? These people were saved. They're thinking about going back to the law. They're trying to go to bulls and goats. And so that's the whole entire context there. So you can have a genuine believer who decides to leave and go to another faith, right? Wrong. But I know where he gets this doctrine from and I'll show y'all in just a moment once I finish with these clips because you're gonna fall out of your chair when I actually show you that our brother, John McCrae, he's not coming with this on his own. No teacher, no students above his teacher when fully trained will be like him. So wherever he's getting this theology from, he's not just getting it out of thin air. This is the kind of teaching that's been passed down for decades from other people in seminaries. Just hold your thought. Just hold your question because trust me, I'm gonna show you what I mean by that. I'm gonna show you what I mean by that. So our brother is not, this is shocking to hear him say that, but it's nothing new. This is antinomianism. It's just guised in Christianese, but that's all it is. So if you're saying that a person can, a person can basically abandon the faith and still be a Christian, no, that's not what the scripture teaches. And actually the writer, Hebrew says this, Hebrews chapter six verse four, for in the case of those who had once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance since they again crucified to themselves the Son of God and put him to open shame. For the ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God. But if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed and it ends up being burned. Take a verse nine, but beloved, wait a minute, does he call these people in verses, I don't know, four through eight? Does he call them beloved for in the case of those who had once been enlightened? No, he doesn't, does he? He says, but beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, the things that accompany salvation though we are speaking in this way. Strong words, right? But Paul said his strong words for a reason. I mean that Paul, but the writer Hebrews, I'm sorry. Could be Paul, but I'm not gonna argue about that. But he says, but beloved, he calls him beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you. Contrast from verses one through eight to verse nine, he says, but beloved, we're convinced, we're sure of better things concerning you, the things and the things and things that accompany salvation though we are speaking in this way. Absolutely, David, absolutely. Meaning those were not saved. Those others weren't saved, but those in verse nine are. Absolutely, that's exactly what it means. That's exactly what it means. And we act like the scriptures don't give us warnings to make sure that we don't get it twisted and thinking that, hey, you too need to examine yourself. You too need to be careful on how you walk. But hey, I'm just trying to help us understand that the descriptions are clear regarding these things. He says, we're convinced of better things concerning you and things that accompany salvation though we are speaking in this way. Strong words, but words that need to be said nonetheless. Last clip, which is very, I want you to see if you notice this one in this last clip. But the point that I wanna make before we leave is that we can disagree and still be brothers, amen. All right, yo, and I wanna just say thank you. There's the thing, there's so many things in. Do y'all see that? Did you see what our brother Corey had asked the question or he basically made the statement rather than he said we can disagree but we can still, but we're still brothers. Notice what? Notice what this young brother, notice and look at the disposition of this young brother. But the point that I wanna make before we leave is that we can disagree and still be brothers, amen. Yo, and I wanna just say thank you. There's the thing, there's so many things in. Now, maybe he didn't hear it. Maybe he, I don't know, but the young brother doesn't consider people who are Calvinist Christians. He doesn't consider a person like Alan Parr to be a Christian and that's unfortunate based on what? I know he's a KJV only. I mean, okay. And again, I would just love to ask him some questions regarding that. I mean, how was a person saved who did not have the KJV? How was a person saved who did not get their copy of the KJV but they had a Tyndale Bible? You know, that was predated before the KJV or a Kramner Bible. You know, that was predated before the KJV or a Bishops Bible. You know, that was predated before the KJV. All of those were English Bibles prior to the KJV. How were they saved? How were they able to know who God was? How were they able to come to Christ? Just asking. See, that's that, that's that pride that we all have to guard our hearts, have to guard our hearts from. We all do. But again, remember I had asked you all the question, you know, regarding that what our brother, what do you mean has said about a person can basically abandon faith and leave the faith and still be a Christian? In the case you didn't hear, let's play it back. You made an assumption there too when you talked about how the people in prison, you said, I'll talk to these people in prison who are doing all these things and then they would go out. Let's just say the worst kinds of sins. It doesn't really matter. We know that Christians can induce sin from the Bible and reality, right? We know that they continue to sin even after being saved. So just because there's sins that are greater, you know what I mean, that we can, that we subjectively consider greater then I think, hold on one second, just because there's sins that we consider to be greater from our earthly perspective before God once and as all it takes is to ruin the perfection, right? One sin. But do you hear the last part though, John? The last part of one guy in particular who was at church said he believed. Oh, convert it to Islam. Convert Islam. Was he saved? No. But what he believed. Is it possible for a Christian, what Hebrews, think about Hebrews, the whole book of Hebrews, what is it? These people were saved. They're thinking about going back to the law. They're trying to go to bulls and goats. And so that's the whole entire context there. So you can have a genuine believer who decides to leave and go to another faith, right? You heard that, right? Again, I told you before, he's not the only one who holds to that view and believes that a person can depart from the faith and still be a Christian. Another way they can apostatize and still be a Christian. I'm gonna play, let's play this little game. We're gonna close out with this, okay? Gonna play this little game. The game is called Who Said This, okay? The game is called Who Said This, all right? I'm gonna put up a quote and then I want you to tell me, don't cheat, don't look up the name or anything like that. I want you to tell me if you are familiar with this quote and who said it, then put it in the comments when I put the statement up. You're ready? Here we go. Quote, repentance is just another sin in them for faith. No turning from sin is required for salvation. End quote, who said that? Who said that? Repentance is just another sin in them for faith. No turning from sin is required for salvation. Who said that? Even if you wanna guess, you can guess it. Who said that? First time hearing that one, huh? Yeah, hold on to your seat, my brother. Hold on to your seat. There's more. Yeah, who said that? Let me put it up again. Repentance is just another sin in them for faith. No turning from sin is required for salvation. You all ready? You all wanna know the answer? You wanna know? Here we go. Charles Ryrie in his book, So Great Salvation. There's a page number right there. Here's another one. Repentance is not essential to the gospel message and no sense is repentance related to saving faith. Repentance is not essential to the gospel message and no sense is repentance related to saving faith. Who said that? Who said that? You say, who said that? Tim, who said it? Proverbs, you ain't got no sense, dude. No, not Barclay. And Shields, I'm not the devil. Who said that, y'all? Nope, not C.S. Lewis. You said, yeah, who would ever dare say something like that? Hmm, let's see. Answer? Zane Hodges. Zane Hodges in his book, Absolutely Free. There's a page number right there. Nope, see, and I'm glad I am so glad. Let me put these comments up. I am so glad some of y'all are saying the obvious that we would think. Nope, not Miles Monroe. Definitely not Trump. Nope, not Charles Finney. Nope, not Joseph Prince. Nope, not Joel Osteen. Nope, not Carlton Pearson. Not Charles Wesley. Nor Wepsley Snipes. No, no, no, not your garden variety heretic, a false teacher that we think. No, the person who said this is this. Is this person? Zane Hodges, Absolutely Free. In his book, Absolutely Free. Y'all want some more? Y'all still hanging on your chair? We good? Let's continue then. A true Christian can completely cease believing. Who said that? Who said that? A true Christian can completely cease believing. Name that error. Name that error. Boy, y'all are brutal, bro. Y'all are brutal. Let me put this comment up. Where we at? Let me put this comment up. No, close, close. Who said it? Come on, who said it? Yeah, ain't it though? Ain't it though? You think, you think Proverbs, you'll be surprised. Let me put the comment, let me put the question up again. Nope, not Marcus Rodgers. Nope, not Marcus Rodgers. Let's see. A Christian, a true Christian. Notice a true Christian can completely cease believing. Who said this? Charles Ryrie, again in his book. So great salvation. These are all professing Christians, by the way. These are not your quote unquote heretics that you and I think aren't saved. No, no, no ma'am, no sir. No, no. Quote, Christians can fall into a state of lifelong carnality. A whole category of carnal Christians, born again people who continuously live like the unsaved exists in the church, end quote. Who said that? So his book gotta be trash. Yeah, pretty much if this is what you're holding to. Nope, not Kenneth Hagen. You're gonna have to burn those books out. I'm keeping them for records. I'm keeping it for research and study purposes. You wanna read it again? Okay, I'll put it up again. I'll put it up again. Where is it? Okay. Christians can fall into a state of lifelong carnality. A whole category of carnal Christians, born again people who continuously live like the unsaved exists in the church. Who said that? Who said it? Answer, once again, Charles Rory. The book, so great salvation. Who said this? A believer may utterly forsake Christ. Remember what you mean said? Remember what he said in the clip? A believer may utterly forsake Christ and come to the point of not believing. God has guaranteed that he would not disown those who thus abandoned the faith. Who said that? Who said that? Answer, he batten a thousand with these arrows, ain't he? Charles Rory, so great salvation. Again, there's a page number. Let's do another one. Let's see. Those who have once believed are secure forever, even if they turn away. Again, the reason why I'm sharing these quotes is because this is nothing new. So when I heard our brother, what do you mean say this? And to be sincere about it, he's sincerely wrong. But this is the mentality and attitude that he has because these are the people that he probably follow. Anti-Lordship. These are what you would call anti-Lordship advocates. Who said it? You guessed it. Charles Rory in his book. So great salvation. So great salvation. All right, now listen. This is the last one. This is the last one. Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely, yeah, he's a DTS. Yes, he is. Yep. And most people that are under that, but they were under that generation or in that generation, this is what they espoused. Yeah, I know, huh? Man, this salvation is so great, you can keep sinning and not believe. No, I'm not a Catholic at all. No, no I'm not. Far from it. I believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father. I do not believe that Mary is co-mediatrix with God. No, I do not believe that the Pope is my authority. No, I do not. No, no, Rory would not be the last quote. I can at least tell you all that. But this last quote is gonna, this last quote is gonna probably be make y'all throw your phone. It's gonna probably make you throw away your phone. It's probably gonna make you want to just unfollow and unfriend me, but I didn't say it. So let me just say this right now for the record. I am not the one saying this. I am just posting the quotes. Okay, that's all I'm doing. So no, it would not be Charles Rory this time, but it's gonna be somebody that you all know. Okay, so here it is. If y'all are ready, here's the question. Or here's the quote, and then you tell me who said this. And this quote is a doozy. Quote, nothing guarantees that a true Christian will love God. Salvation does not necessarily even place the sinner in a right relationship of harmonious fellowship with God. I'm just gonna let y'all read that. And now look at the comments. Do y'all see this? This person said, nothing guarantees that a true Christian will love God. Nothing guarantees that a true Christian will love God. Nothing, not even the word of God. Nothing guarantees that a true Christian will love God. Salvation does not necessarily even place the sinner in a right relationship of harmonious fellowship with God. Who said that? Let me look at the comments. Yep, believe it, believe it, believe it. I know, it's throwing y'all in it, and rightly so. Is this y'all the first time even hearing these comments? That's what I wanna know too. Is this some of y'all's first time even hearing these kind of comments? These kind of statements? I'm just looking at the, somebody's in the corner here. It makes you wonder, doesn't it CG? It sounds heretical because it is. He might, John might as well have said it. He might as well have said it, but I know he probably don't really mean that if you look at his implications behind it. I hope so. Yes, a true Christian will love God. Absolutely a true Christian would. All right, so, just going through the comments. All right, yeah, so this is your first, so this is your first time seeing these quotes. So let me just go ahead and just tell you, who said it? No, it's not J.I. Packer. Nope, it's not J.I. Packer, here's who it is. Zane Hodges, Zane Hodges from his book Absolutely Free and there are the page numbers. So the reason why I said I'm not surprised that what do you mean would make these kinds of comments is because look who else makes these kinds of statements regarding salvation, regarding the Lordship, regarding submission to Christ, regarding repentance. And the fact that they can put it in a book and it not get any kind of pushback, Zane Hodges is a theologian. He wrote a book called Absolutely Free. You can check it out. That's why I put the page numbers in the quotes there. I wonder if I'm thinking I missed mistaken their word and I missed quoting them and nothing like that. Okay, now I say all that to say this. I say all of that to say this. When we think about salvation, I hope and pray that when you and I understand what God did, what he through his son by the power of the Holy Spirit did, he did it not because of what you and I did, did it because we did nothing but the recipients of his wrath. That's it. So when we talk about salvation, when we talk about regeneration, when we talk about being born again and we don't have to understanding what the scriptures teach, number one, we shouldn't be teaching anything. We should be sitting down and being quiet and being taught and humbling ourselves because we don't know. So for this brother, for young Don reborn, and I wish I knew what his real name was, it's kind of a tongue twister I say his name here, but for young Don reborn to say the things he said about Calvinist and try to equate how God causes things and try to sound as though he's being authoritative in it, that is naivete, that is foolishness and that it shows once immaturity of the scriptures. And so for a young man to have that kind of platform and that size of following and to say those things, not only is he being deceived, but he's deceiving other people. For my brother, what do you mean? To make those statements that you've made, that a person can be saved and abandoned the faith and yet still be saved? That is not what the apostle John said. He said in 1st John chapter two verse 19 that they went out from us because they were not of us for they had remained with us. For they had been of us, they would remain with us but they went out from us that it may be known or may be evident that they were really not of us. What does that say about the keeping power of God? What does that say about the sanctifying work of the spirit? What does that say about the blood of Christ? It says that the Trinity cannot keep one person who claimed to have been saved and have decided now that they're gonna leave the faith. If God can change hearts, if he can change the heart of man and make a heart of man respond and act like an animal, like he did in Nebuchadnezzar for seven years, he can change a sinner's heart to cause and make them follow his decrees and statues for a lifetime until he returns. At the end of the day, you and I have nothing to boast about our salvation, claiming that we had something to do with it. We had nothing to do with it. We were dead. We were separated from God. We were estranged from God. It was God in his mercy and in his sovereignty and in his grace, his patience, his long suffering, his kindness who caused us to be born again. We give him all the glory because God is the one who did it. And since he's the one who did it, he deserves all the glory. And therefore all the glory should go totally to him. I'm done. If you like this video, please share this video. Please subscribe to this channel. If you'd like to support the ministry financially, you can do that by clicking the donation links below. Thank you those of you who have donated through the super chat. I do appreciate that. Appreciate your support. We appreciate your prayers. Please also, if you have not subscribed to Love, Life, and Marriage with the Woods on YouTube, I would really appreciate if you would do that and also share that channel as well. Yes, you can absolutely share my video. Absolutely, absolutely. 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