 I, Jeff Wagnitz, I'm the Vice President for Academic Affairs and also for the, in this moment, I'm also acting president of the college. So I just wanted to take a few minutes to welcome you here, to thank our panelists for taking time to do this. You know, it's a rapidly changing environment in terms of some of the things that are happening on our campuses across the country right now and some of them very close at hand. I'm sure if you follow the news at all, you know what I'm talking about. And we wanted to have an opportunity today to talk through a bit of what resources, best practices, procedures, the kind of things that Highland has in place today that you can draw on, that you can kind of rely on as supports for you as you deal with your students, with the campus, with the community around the college as we try to work through this in a way that respects everyone's rights and keeps everyone safe and keeps the educational purpose of the institution moving forward. So we're going to talk mostly today about what is. We understand that in any rapidly evolving environment, that what's good today and what works today may not be sufficient for everything that might come in the future. And we also are interested and open to the idea of having other conversations beyond today about, okay, that makes sense, but what about this? And so this isn't the end of a conversation, it's the beginning. Again, I just want to thank you for taking time to be here. It's important and I appreciate your presence. And I also want to, again, thank our panelists. David Minkies, our Director of Public Safety, Buzz Wheeler, his paralegal faculty, A.C.H.O. has had a recent title change, but we'll just say Director of TRIO for the moment. Gloria Rose Kepping is one of our counselors. And I just met our friend Sergeant Mike Graden, yep, from Des Moines PD who took time to be here today. So thanks again to our panelists. And with that, I will turn it over to David. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is David Minkies. I'm the Director of Public Safety and Emergency Management. I started in July of last year after retiring from the United States Navy after 20 years of service. During my time in the Navy, I was a military police officer with experience in law enforcement, security, investigations, and training. My last assignment was up north at Naval Station Ever where I was the law enforcement operations manager for the patrol division. So today I'd like to discuss what public safety does and some things that you can do on campus to make yourself safe. So we have a dedicated team of public safety officers. A lot of them have backgrounds in law enforcement, security, and some of them even military. They're here 24-7 every day of the year, holidays while you're at home, having your turkey, they're still here making sure the campus is secured. So very dedicated and some of the finest individuals that I've worked with. So they work out of Building 6, Room 104. So if you ever need anything from public safety, we're at Building 6 on the first floor. And if we're not available, you can call us at 206-592-3218. Even if someone's not in the office, we'll board to the cell phone so they'll pick it up and they can handle any situation that you request. So what do they do? You'll see them out in the parking lot conducting patrols with the vehicle. I know recently we've had some prowlers out there trying to check door handles and they'll be looking through the vehicles. So they're out there trying to deter that. You'll see them walking through the buildings and on the pathways, just deterring crime and trying to prevent theft. That's one of the major things that we have to deal with here on campus with us having an open campus. But they do have crime prevention efforts while they're out there. Things that they'll do is stop students and say, hey, is this your backpack? Make sure you don't leave this unattended. Or if they see an office open, they might talk to that person that owns that office and just say, hey, make sure you lock your office when you leave because people have been known to come in there and take an item or two. So that's the biggest thing is just getting the word out there not to give your stuff away for free. Hold on to it. Have somebody that you know watch it. For the physical security efforts at night, we have our officers at night checking the lighting for the campus. They'll see if a light's out or a window's broken. They'll check the door handles making sure that buildings are locked. Especially in the cold time because we have people that come through here and looking for a way to get out of the cold. So they might just check the doors and see where they can find a place for the night. So they're always out there, always checking to make sure the campus is secure. When I mention the lights, we have identified an area that's pretty dark which is the east lot. So we're working to try to put some more lights in there. Worked with the people that were leasing and if we can get the funding, we'll make it work. So you should see that in the near future. Escorts, we do provide escorts from your car to your class or from your class to your vehicle or pretty much anywhere on campus. The only place we cannot escort you is off campus because of liability reasons. And I looked at our statistics in about 100 escorts per quarter. So you're not bothering anybody by asking, just call us up. We can get you anywhere you need if you feel uncomfortable walking by yourself. We can also do individual safety plans. So a lot of times if we have a victim of a crime or they're involved with somebody with harassment or something even off campus, they can sit down with us and we can figure out where their classes are, maybe change up a class so they're not with the perpetrator of that crime or possibly move them online or it might just be making sure that they have escorts to their class. So each situation is different. We'll sit down and try to figure out the safest way to get their education and meet their needs. With training and assessments at any time, any of the faculty, staff, even if they want us to come to a class, we can provide training on our emergency procedures, make sure that everybody understands what to do if an emergency occurs on campus. And then we can also do a quick assessment, just make sure like we did an assessment in 99 and found out that nobody had locks on their offices and we fixed that quickly. So you can call me anytime, email me and we can figure out a time to sit down. So what can you do on campus to keep yourself safe? In the parking lot, like I said before, we have prowlers. So make sure the doors are locked and make sure you keep your valuables out of sight. So most times we'll have somebody just checking door handles and the problem is with the state law and under the RCW, they actually have to make entry to your vehicle. So if we see them catching the door handle, they're just going to say, oh, I'm looking for my car or I thought this was my car. So there's a quick easy cover story because we're an open campus. So, you know, if they see something then they might decide they want to smash a window. That's why you need to make sure everything's out of sight. Personal items, like I said, the problem that we have is people leaving their backpack under a dust, they try to hide it out of the way or they leave their phone on top of their dust while they're trying to go get something out of the printer. You know, make sure that you leave it with somebody you trust or that you take it with you because it only takes a second for somebody to snatch it and keep on walking. I did mention the escorts but we do recommend that you avoid walking alone, especially at night. So, you know, sometimes people are worried that they're going to bother us. I mean, we're not really doing anything other than making sure we're here for your safety. So that's our job. So please call. Make sure you're safe. And then be aware of surroundings. I know Pokemon Go is a little bit lower on the scale now but when it first came out, we had people running into other people. They weren't aware of what's going on and you pretty much make yourself a target by not being aware of what's going on because you don't know if somebody is watching you. You don't know what they're doing. They might just come up and try to snatch your phone from you. So just be aware of what's going on or just walking groups, if not. So the slide up right now is the daily crime log. This is in our office at Public Safety. It's available for viewing at any time and normally we'll hold 60 days worth of the crime logs up there and even more and we can pull them up if you need. We're looking to put these online so that people don't have to come to us that we can actually see it at any time. But, you know, one of the things that we are required to do is provide all the crimes to you whether they actually happen or alleged. So that way you know what's out there. You know what to protect yourself from. Next one's an emergency procedures poster. You've probably seen it in the different classrooms and the hallways, maybe in the different buildings. Be a good idea to be familiar with the different procedures and with the poster it's a lot easier just to see one thing. Okay, this is what I need to do instead of trying to flip through a book or, you know, go through an actual book. So these are pretty easy, pretty self-explanatory and then there's not too much in there so that if somebody can't read it, somebody else could explain it to them quickly. H.C. Alerts. By showing me your hands, I think people are signed up for H.C. Alerts. All right, if you're not, please go to H.C.TextAlerts.Highline.edu and sign up. If there's a threat to the campus or the community, we're going to send it out through that. Recently we had a delayed start because of snow and people showed up and they didn't know that we were delayed because they weren't signed up for Text Alerts. So if you do have a class, make sure your students are signed up and, you know, just pass the word. The pens that you are on the tables on the sides have the address as well. So if you need the address, take a pen. Make sure you sign up, please. All right, so the question that we get a lot about lately is a freedom of speech and I know on campus sometimes we even have this one-mail individual that talks about religion, tells people where they're going to go if they don't follow by the Bible and we get a lot of complaints about it actually saying that they don't like the message and is he allowed to do that and you need to go stop them. But our campus does believe in the freedom of speech in the First Amendment so we can't tell one group that they can talk about what they want to and stop another group just because somebody doesn't like it or is offended. So it's open to everybody. The simple rules are that they can't violate the educational process. They can't impede on it. So as long as they're in a public area, they're not being allowed. They don't have huge signs or blocking pathways and they can pretty much put out their message. Some of the rules against it though are they cannot make a threat to anybody in the community, have anybody feel like they're threatened so that an actual threat, not just that I'm offended by the message but I'm actually threatened for my life or I'm in danger because of what they're saying or anything that might incite violence. So if they're telling people, hey, we need to go hurt this group of people that could incite violence. So those are the things that they cannot say. And then just in the general policy, we have recommended areas that we like non-student groups to do their first amendment areas. That way we can just kind of monitor what's going on and make sure they're protected as well as students. So I'm going to pass on the mic to Buzz and he's going to talk about classroom safety and then afterwards we'll open up to Q&A. So thank you. So my name is Buzz Wheeler and I'm the coordinator of the legal studies program on campus and I'm the two components to what I want to talk about and then we will take some questions because I unfortunately have to leave and go to a class. The two components that I wanted to talk about is one is a faculty member and actually being in the classroom and then I wanted to also backtrack just a little bit and talk about the background to our say it which I hope everybody is well aware of in which Gloria is going to talk about a little bit later on. But in the summer of 2014, nine of us were selected from different parts of the campus community, student services, faculty, very different parts to go to a rather intensive training that was several days down in Portland on collectively what's referred to as behavioral assessment teams. Teams that are set up to try to run early interference if you will for students who are problematic and perhaps dangerous to try to diffuse the situation. We went through that training and then came back and we were organized into a behavioral assessment team advisory committee which operated during the academic year of 2014 to 2015 and I was the chair of that committee and what we did it was trying to determine how we wanted our behavioral assessment team to be operative, trying to interact with faculty, staff and to some degree students to make them aware of this team being developed and what the process would be. And then more importantly, we spent a lot of time and energy in trying to determine the name for it so that it was a really modeled what we wanted that and felt that team should be and so that's how we ended up with what's currently referred to as say it. And there are a lot of different reasons and rationales behind that but one of the prime one is just the term itself, say it. And we really wanted to promote an idea that if anybody had some concern about a student to say something about it, to make a report to say it, to let the people that are trained in how to do intervention and to identify true situations become involved in an early stage. One thing that was telling to me during the time we were meeting with faculty during that time was I perceived a fair amount of reticence on the behalf of the faculty about making a report of someone that was acting of concern to them. And I think part of that is because of the culture of inclusiveness that we have at Highline and we try to be very respectful of students and we didn't want to take any time of affirmative action that was going to intimidate those students. And that was something we tried to work through with faculty and I still hope that faculty perceive it because the data has proven over time that this is not necessarily a punitive thing. It is an early intervention opportunity which allows students that are having issues to get resources and help that they may need and from an institutional standpoint it's proven to be very highly effective in retention of students that oftentimes those students would get lost and would drift away and then in fact if you have this early intervention with resources that are available to try to catch those students it has a higher impact on retention to the college. So there are a lot of positive things that can come about from that and so I just want to plug that I think it's a great tool that we have and I would rather people use it when it's not really determined to be there for them. At least it allows another set of eyes and resources to be able to look at it and evaluate it and I always think more than one mind looking at something particularly those that have training are valuable. So then let me switch gears just a little bit to talking about the classroom and it makes me a little twitchy when somebody says best practices because I don't necessarily think I have best practices. I don't have people running a muck in my classroom but I don't know that my practice is necessarily best practices but to give you a little bit of background prior to coming to Highline I was in private practice as an attorney and my practice area was divorce you mostly high conflictual divorce and I practiced for a large amount of time in the Los Angeles area and because of the nature of the type practice I was in that is one that has unfortunately a lot of violence because of the volatility of the emotions of the people and so there were attorneys that were injured there were judges that were injured and there were parties that were injured or killed during that and so at every continuing education conference for the law that I went to there was always a component on safety and I think that I some of that stuck with me when I came here because as we has been talked about already a large component is being aware just being aware and alert of the situation and being attentive to what's going on and not taking for granted certain occurrences without really making a mental note of them and being attuned to our circumstances and so I think that means that we just need to be practical I don't think that we need to be neurotic about it but I think that one thing we need to do is we need to always know in our classrooms who are the students that are in our classrooms to let them know that we know who they are so that there's not a factor of anonymity to know where the exits are and the other thing that from my trial practice background I always try to anticipate when I would go to court I would always try to think now what if the other side does this how am I going to respond and the more I had prepared and how I might do that the more I never needed it but it gave me some assurance and so I think that we need to try to contemplate if a certain situation is to arise how am I going to handle it so that you've at least got a point of reference so that if we confront it in a situation like that we know how to react or it's not something we're trying to think about under stress and the other thing is I think we all have that our faculty have different styles and my style because of my background is more direct and bottom line oriented and while I like to be inclusive and fun and have fun in the courtroom in the courtroom in the classroom I think students also know you know not to push me they know what the limits are and what the boundaries are and I think it's like when you have children or when you're engaging with pets it's about establishing boundaries and promoting respectfulness that you have respect for the students that you encourage the students to have respect for one another and that you encourage the students to have respect for you and you know I've never really had a situation like that I've had students that have gotten a little testy and you know you try to deal with them one on one and try to diffuse that I was trying to think about a time where I really had a student that was kind of problematic and the one in recent memory was from last quarter I had a student in the online class who wasn't threatening but who emailed me in a tone that I didn't particularly appreciate and I thought that it was disrespectful and it was not something I wouldn't have communicated with her that way and so I just called her on it I said I'm glad to answer any question you have I don't appreciate your tone we're in a professional environment and if you'll communicate with me appropriately I'll be glad to answer any question you have and then I got another response to that that was slightly less testy but still testy and I just thought to myself I've already explained to her I'm not gonna respond to that and I didn't and then the very next day I got a response to her which was entirely appropriate as if nothing had ever happened we went on the rest of the quarter and there were no issues with her and she did fine as a student and so I think that sometimes I know that part of our human nature is sometimes when somebody is engaging with us like that is to keep engaging with them because I always want to have the last word and that's something I have to work very hard on that sometimes that's not a good view sometimes you just need to let it de-escalate and try to move on and it worked in that instance I don't have anything else but if anybody has any questions I have one over there You mentioned SAIC, I was just wondering would that work? Gloria Student Assessment and Information Student Assessment and Information Team You know that's really not nice since we spent all that time trying to think of it but it's been a while Student Assessment and Information Team and believe it or not there was a lot of time spent on what that acronym actually meant we really wanted to try to take behavior and conduct out of it so there really was an evaluation and assessment and not sort of insinuating that somebody's actions or conduct was in an era Next, yeah Alright, yes, my name is A. C. Chao Yes, I am the three year director I am also a social dean for Student Development and Attention and Conduct, yes but for today I'll share with you more about kind of my hat as a student conduct officer so let's see, yes, that's the slide there so the Office of Student Conduct we're here to address the first incident of student violations of our student conduct code so it were public safety that's the third kind of problem which they focus on, campus safety is not campus safety so if you have a definite incident or a concern we definitely recommend you call campus safety but if you have an incident where you have a student who violated it which you would be violated one of our student conduct violation codes then that's what you want to submit a report it is different than our say report which glory we're getting to and what it's kind of alluded to so I'll try to share with you a little bit what constitutes a student violation and kind of what the process looks like well too, in addition to that our philosophy in student conduct so if you could go to the next slide please Dr. Curtis so our philosophy in practice number one our goal is to balance whites of our students and also to ensure that we have a safe learning environment for everyone for each one of you that are here for our students and those who are part of our campus activities it is also grounded in extension of learning and student development student development meaning when students come in and they may have violated one of our student conduct codes our goal is to help teach them how to be a productive member of our community and also to examine the moral and ethical components of their actions for how to be involved in our students it's also without balancing the rights so the first as we mentioned first and fourth amendment free speech to make sure that we're not having a proper seizure of their possession or what not it's balancing that as well as you can tell there's this balance going on to ensure that we have a new process in place so there is a student conduct violation and there is a student conduct violation that we look into, we investigate it we examine and meet with to be able to kind of provide their testimony their challenge of the matter we also impose sanctions but it's based on fair reasonable and proportional to the violation so it may be a violation of academic dishonesty there may be other violations of for example assault the sanction will most likely be a course of proper reasonable and proportional to the violations so with that you might be wondering what I've been mentioning so the violation so you'll see that list there from academic dishonesty so that's like for example plagiarism in the past obstruction of disruption we look into the right of free speech so if there's a student or group outside and they're having a little kind of area that they're handing out with their material they have everybody to do so but let's say we have someone coming in and they're intentionally going in the classroom going to your offices really disrupting the scenes that you can't get your work done that is what we refer to structural disruption we find all these and if you go to the website and look into do you want to find the right code or student comment code which refers to a right code that outlines all of the violations but you see a different side of this conduct that's definitely one of the more kind of recent towards the violations property violation that constitutes yourself would be better than the value of property what not fair to comply with the directive so that's you may in your classroom request that a student to step outside to meet with you regarding an incident or a occurrence that was inappropriate in class and they refuse to do so or maybe a public safety staff is asking for students who is conducting something in a manner that's inappropriate the student refuse to comply with a public safety officer but those are in violation they comply with the directive from a high line of course that I don't know weapons possession that is also a violation as well hazing alcohol drug violation nude conduct discriminatory conduct sexual misconduct retaliation so there's a full pledge and I'll be having to take questions about this later as well so let's say the student does you witness the student violating one of the student conduct comes up what question what do you do next we would recommend that you submit an incident report so you can go to our high line websites our state website we have this link if you search student conduct they can find it as well and this is the page yes the page is kind of the top part of the page where if you go on to our incident report page you'll find this we ask for a lot of information we ask you to include as much information and evidence as possible whether it be written documents or other reports that you have written so we encourage you to always document what you see as soon as possible as soon as possible instead of occurs you encourage to document as soon as you can once you have access to some type of written component because the longer you wait the more kind of you may get and essentially what happens once you submit an incident report a lot of it gets done so once you submit one we the student conduct officer myself or the vice president point of castro our student officer student conduct one of us will review our all of us will review the incident report we will look at the documentation and in addition to that we will conduct a preliminary investigation to determine if there is a student conduct violation or if it is a sale it goes more the sale process so maybe this is we get an incident report regarding a student who is depressed and has maybe concern maybe the staff or vice president suicide attendances with depression or anger issues in that case a student has not violated our student conduct code it's okay to be angry it's okay to be sad but they don't violate the codes of act rules we refer that to our sale team if it is a student conduct it's fine it's a student conduct and we have a campus as well to that we need more of this we'll ask for the private information we'll follow up with the student a formal disciplinary hearing in which the student this is our due process in which our student will have the opportunity to provide their input and perspective then from that evidence from what was reported from the hearing we'll have a determined and appropriate sanction or if the student is not found responsible for the incident he'll be exonerated I guess we'll take questions at the very end or is that right? correct thank you so my name is Gloria Rose Kepping and I've worked here at Highline for 28 years I'm a faculty counselor that doesn't mean I counsel the faculty but it does mean that I'm here in that status as a faculty member to provide services to students and I want to talk a little bit about how say it really works do I have a slide first thank you so this is found on our student services web page but it's also found in security I think on your page it's found in a lot of multiple places so in case you can't find it you can search for it and it'll pop up and then where it says just in red to submit a report to say it click here I'll show you what one looks like at the end if you'd like but what we do and say it is that we meet every Monday afternoon and kind of and prior to that we've all gotten pinged as they say we've all gotten little emails that say we have to go into Maxient which is the name of our software program we can read what people have submitted as concerns about students or about you know an incident on campus and then at that point we read through it that's myself Rod Fowers who is actually the chair of the say it team he's not here I don't think today he's semi-retired I think but he is chairing our say it team so myself officer Curtis and sometimes Dave and we all just kind of talk through what's happened and it's nice because there's a number of us so we have different perspectives different ideas we can talk about does this case really belong you know somewhere else if it's maybe a classroom management issue then Rod works with faculty most of the time to help them work with the student to get them to you know behave the way that we maybe hope they could behave if it's more a student we think there might be some mental health issues or some concerns if someone is depressed or anxious or something then I might take that on and meet with the student or connect with the student to help them you know negotiate being in the classroom better or their relationships with other students faculty and staff and they might need some outside intervention it might be a police matter that someone's not noticed so we might refer off campus for that with the help of security so really we're there to kind of look at what's the problem what are the potential solutions and then which one of us is going to follow up and implement with either faculty or student and then get back to the originator of the report so we can let them know how that kind of played out okay there's two things I have a list maybe we can go to the next page these are a list of where everything fell during fall quarter and I have to thank Vincent Sanchez for compiling this from our cases see the other column the biggest column 21 means that it was either student discipline or student judicial affairs that a conduct issue that was really what was going on or perhaps it was a clary act or something else title nine perhaps so that's where the majority of things are at but there are a lot of as you can see a lot of academic difficulties a lot of threatens or engages in violent behavior some of that I'd say most of that fall quarter was towards themselves or maybe towards another student and then it had both probably components of judicial as well as counseling involved for the people but this is the other kind of breakdown I see that it kind of runs the gamut there's a lot of different things there and what I really like is that all of us have worked in student affairs long enough that we can identify that's what might be going on and let's see what we can do to intervene with them I'd put a plug in here now if I could to ask you if you can to be really detailed in what you send us on the reports the more details you can give us then the easier it is for us to figure out what we could do or what avenue we might have to kind of connect with the student and get them to work with us a little more closely okay so why don't we go to the last oh I don't have my other slide in there I have a third slide which is like the first slide only I know the one after this where I could click on it where it said click here and it would show you the report apparently that one didn't get loaded so that's okay you can go and look on the page yourself and just kind of familiarize yourself with it and I think that will be helpful for you so I'll answer questions at the end then thanks okay well you guys are pretty fortunate a good team here a lot of the stuff they talked about they stole a lot of my thunder but I'm going to echo what a lot of the things they touched on because what we see in the community really mirrors what you see here on campus there's not much of a difference when we have a heroin problem it trickles on to campus when we deal with homelessness you'll see it on campus but just let me introduce myself I'm Sergeant Mike Graden for the Des Moines Police Department I've got a little bit of experience working on campuses as I was the school resource officer assigned to Mount Rainier High School for a number of years and I'm actually very fortunate to also be one of your part-time adjunct faculties here in the criminal justice program I'm actually one of two of our police officers who teach here so it's a great recruiting place for us and it's an amazing opportunity for outreach to interact with students and young students who are inspiring to get into criminal justice so it's very very rewarding to do that so we'll talk about crime prevention it's really the most important piece here that I want to drive home your number one reported crime statistic on campus is theft whether it's from a classroom or a cell phone sitting left unattended in the library or a break into your vehicle and theft out of your vehicle and not only is this the number one crime but it's also the most preventable crime by target hardening by locking those doors keeping those items out of view of your car not leaving your purse in view or in the trunk take it with you please help us out, partner with us we can't do it alone we really need as much help from you guys I'm very encouraged by the amount of people that are here we often times will have these community forums and meetings in neighborhoods and block watches this actually is a good turnout so I am very encouraged by the amount of people that are here so thank you very much for being here and participating in this whether you have a concern or an argument no matter what your purpose is for being here the next slide is really be aware of your surroundings be alert know what's going on you walk by somebody make eye contact with them let them know that you're there let them know that you see them make a note of what they're wearing where they're going just be watchful is really the big message the next slide trust yourself trust your instincts if you're still in a situation don't put yourself in the middle of that situation if I go downtown and go to the theater and I need to walk from point A to point B if I need to walk around somebody that I think is suspicious I'm not going to walk down a dark alley I'm not going to walk down a dark neighborhood I'm going to park my car in a well lit area don't put yourself in a situation that's uncomfortable if somebody is preaching the gospel and you're not comfortable with that there's just a topic that really strikes a chord with you it's best just to walk away because as they mentioned there's freedom of speech and we're not going to intervene with that we're going to allow people to express their opinions but if you find it to be hurtful or offensive just avoid it all together and next report if you're a victim of a crime please report that now putting it on Instagram is not a police report putting it on Facebook or Snapchat or whatever other means next door we don't have the luxury of of going through and reading all that as much as we should because it's information about what's going on in our community but please get that police report to us to the school and the reason is it helps us figure out what we're going to do with our resources how are we going to allocate our resources where are we going to put our officers during their downtime where are we having issues and without those reports we can't do much about it now the next slide how do you make a police report it can be done in a number of ways you can simply call 911 you can report it to the school if you want to be anonymous you can report it online we have an online reporting system which a lot of our crimes such as petty theft or vandalism are reported online and an officer may not necessarily come out that is really just a resource thing it allows our officers to be spending more time on more serious instances like maybe an accident or a robbery or something you can report them online you can even come into the police station once a week so you can come and speak with an officer there who will be happy to take a report but that's very important I can't stress that enough what's going to be asked of you when you do call 911 don't be offended but they are going to ask who you are your name, your birth date that is all just for information so we can contact you or maybe find you on campus we are not going to ask your immigration status we are not going to ask that's as useless to us as your religion or your financial status so we are here to serve everyone witnesses, victims, suspects we're going to treat everybody the same but when we ask you that information our dispatch is going to ask you that information it's confidential and that's information just for us to make sure that we can complete the report and investigate it to the best of our ability okay and I think that's the end of my presentation I think we move on to questions and answers now and said a student came to class wearing a t-shirt that said socialism is for facts and then has made the their canvas picture a picture of them wearing socialism is for facts t-shirt so my question to you is that a conduct violation is that a say it appropriate question is that a free speech and you get to say whatever insulting thing on your shirt that you want to all of the above one thing I would definitely recommend is that if you see any type of event you answer the problem number one we can always win some work and for that we can determine if it is complex it really isn't a detail we tend to do that when they actually act it on it where they did something horrible to someone else so we have to make those details determine exactly what it shows yeah that's an insane thing what would you determine where would it go do you know off top of your head if it's a conduct violation or not just if a student has their shirts and it says for example we've seen this before we can't that's free speech it's the question was there a discriminatory act and number two is was there harassment that's why it depends on the actions act what were the actions we take all the information together now there is discrimination discrimination based on the act what do this person do it's where the sign so you have to look into that further you couldn't use a better example that is really a complex one it really didn't mean that all of it was in my decades of doing student conduct free speech that is one exercising free speech we are offended by that community absolutely but being offended is different than an intentional threat to harm somebody or something really popular I'd say you have reported to those student conduct and say and I would say it would probably fall under the say of report and as educators and as administrators who are committed to upholding the mission of values of high life I would think that I would also say I might have a plan to have a conversation with the student to let them know how that is a conflict with the environment here in Iowa and try to uphold our safe and inclusive learning environment to try to engage in an educated conversation that potentially interferes with ones that are living in the heart and their feelings of safety so just in a response to how I think our partnerships would take place when you shared that example I thought about some of the research that I've been doing first amendment and it's kind of like theme parties there are theme parties that happen across university college campuses across America and I think their right to free speech to have self-rewarded parties and that's a real case that happens in university while it's offensive to those of us they didn't intentionally which then crosses the boundaries I think to inhibiting another stuff as it is you know, constitution that will often conflict freedoms and equality would come together with legal and political debate to find that the common ground projecting the rights of the students I kind of have a related concern I think or it really is kind of the same I guess one place to start and I just first want to start with saying thank you for this panel and thank you for the work a lot of you Tony and David especially really strong protocol for dealing with these kind of things I'm coming at this I have to be honest I'm a faculty member here in the English department I was also on campus last Friday night on the University of Washington and I was about 10 feet away from the person who was shot and as a university Washington alum, sorry I got my PhD I also live just up the block from there I've been concerned for months especially months even years in some sense about the protocol that they have there and I think this was an extreme I mean I have to say a complete failure in a number of fronts with obviously how to deal with this when you end with a student sorry when you end with a community member who actually worked at the university who shot nearly nearly dead in critical condition and then the shooter surrendered himself to the police a number of hours later was released without charges something's not working there's a lot there and I think a lot of it isn't necessarily of interest here because I think we're leagues ahead but I think part of what happened there that's a challenge faced by all of us is that it's what's already come up it's this question about when is it speech and when is it threat and it's not any easier that a lot of the people who kind of make a profession of this are quite aware that we're kind of tangled up in this thing and they dance on that line as much as they possibly can and I think I can say I was in conversation with the administration at the University of Washington and they were just kind of they were scared of the question and so they kind of avoided the question which is I think why they ended up with the situation they got I think here we're not and I think that's really essential and really important but you know what's tricky is for example there are some neo-nazi flyers that went up on campus just days leading up to that event I among a number of professors that presented those to the administration and the flyer said things like Seattle needs a cleansing they said I'm sorry for the offensive language but just to let you know it was up they said gas the kikes they said we need a race war now and the administration felt that those were not a palpable physical threat and could not be connected to the event what's interesting is I can see by a narrow interpretation how that could be because there was nothing written about the event on the flyer but by another interpretation common sensically of course there was it was leading up to this high tense situation less clearly even than that the the speaker himself Milo Yiannopoulos and a lot of the symbols used by people showing up for those events such as if you're interested in I think we should all know about the new symbols that are being used by these movements Pepe the frog it sounds silly it looks kind of silly but it's actually sort of the new swastika or the set of three parenthesis called the echoes usually that are put around people's names these are kind of the new symbols of hate speech but they know that we don't have the precedent necessarily they know that they're sort of skirting our rules and that we know how to deal with these so we're just all faced with challenges I think and how respond to these things and I think what matters in moments like this is if we can show leadership if we can look back at the precedent see what applies look at the parts that are missing and what we have to kind of make the argument and fill in on ourselves but I think I'm confident I'm really happy to hear that we've had a number of conversations and I think there's a really forward looking attitude about this recognizing these challenges and I'm just glad to be here as we move forward thank you if there's events that would lead up to something like that we have a really good relationship with Des Moines PD commander sellers in the back row communicate with them all the time information sharing so as things progress we will definitely be talking to DMED working with the exec staff filling everybody in on what's going on so that it's not like what happened and nobody was prepared or appropriately thank you yes sir do you guys explain the sanctuary I've exchanged things I know it was a conversation so you're saying what's going on yes you know I don't know that that whether we do that or not is really something for I think the different constituency groups to sort out with administration but I don't know that anything even if we did that or didn't do that I don't know that anything would change we already have codes of conduct for all of our groups to be nice to be nice to each other you know it's not going to change how we interact on the say it committee you know if you target someone because of their even now because of their you know status or their ethnicity or something like that that's not going to be tolerated here at the college so we'll get that person help and assistance and let them know what their options are yeah so that kind of goes out I guess it's the jurisdiction where we're operating that is definitely we have to talk about that as a camp but when it comes to the safety of our students is what ladies mean to like protecting our students is that yes we should protect ourselves we have matters of confidence we have experience with the counselors with us we have a program as well that's the system is set in place so if someone does come here and ask for our students information, private information without any written official disciplinary document then we cannot get to the our campus or any other campus for that matter so but where we what a sanctuary college is that has to be a conversation that needs to take place I would say that's our interest and where we want to go that will pass over to the dialogue Dr. Scarry we already have things but there is an effort related to things I think it's a little bit of a tangent but what is related is that the state level the current way to make some long overdue changes in the uniform application so that it doesn't either over to the or inadvertently fashion information about the students some of the questions on there will put on there in the early 90s I'd like to thank everybody for taking time out of their day to join us today and if you have any other questions that come up later feel free to email us or give us a call and send it to us so thank you