 Even like we joined this different as preview already in progress. There was a gamer gate then that's what I want to know Just the gate on your fence that your friends used to come and play games at your house. Yeah, that was a college going newlywed everyone Everyone who's an old-school gamer now is like An old someone who grew up in the 80s. I guess or no. I guess I guess so maybe late 70s because old-school gamers like playing space a tarry Atari 2600 generation. Yeah No, I would I would have to say later than that. No, I wouldn't I wouldn't I'm a tarry 2600 generation I am not defining myself as a gamer, but people in my same age, but you're not an old-school gamer You're like a Jurassic gamer like me I see I see there's an even older class. I hadn't considered that you're right. There are strata's to this. Yeah It's a good point Pre-Cambrian gamers Yes, we we played shuffleboard and bridge triassic gamers The Cretaceous gamers are the worst Oh, they're the worst I hate those gamers that are right there on the kt boundary too, man You know, actually, I would say the extinction level event would have been 84 because that's at least in north america because that's when like calico calico vision and television My dad's arcade business died and the whole industry took a major poop until nintendo the next year And it was it was it was weird because a tarry just Did not did not see it coming everyone's like activision is going to be putting out games often, right? And it was funny because how fundamentally like The leap was from like playing pitfall for two and then you go to play like Super mario brothers. It's like, ah, this is amazing. Yeah, it was a weird shift. Uh-oh breaking news. Microsoft says windows phone not a focus this year I don't know. I better I better stick with samsung So, uh, yeah, this is uh, tom warren. By the way, tom warren amazing commentary on the verge live blog for build today Highly recommended. Uh, he said it got a chance to speak with terry mierson who runs windows Uh, asked him about, you know, he doesn't say anything about phone barely mentioned phone He said we're fully committed to that four inch screen There will be a time for it to be our focus But right now it's part of the family, but it's not the core of where I hope to generate development interest over the coming year Hmm, so they don't you can take that a couple of ways that them saying they don't think mobile is Important in 2016. That's a weird thing to say kind of If that's what they're saying that to me, it's less it's it's more Surprising that he's being that honest of being like, oh, yeah, we're way behind in that So we're just gonna press pause on that for a moment Because we can't catch up yet. That's a good way to put it It's hard to build an entirely new hardware Hardware software. Yeah, seriously. They should have just gone and bought Uh a successful hardware. Oh Right Wait, wait, were they actually successful at that point though, weren't they on there? No, I mean, that's a really good point. They kind of bottom on the down slope, didn't they? Yeah it's like I'm gonna invest in large, you know for, you know buicks and Chrysler Cordova Chrysler Cordova Remember that? Yeah, wasn't that the one that Ricardo Montovon flogged on tv? Is the one like that have the rich Corinthian leather in it? Yeah Yeah, I didn't want to didn't want to say vinyl. So someone came over with Corinthian leather How are the Corinthians doing now? How they do? That's a great thing. They no longer exist to uh To wrote me though to kind of contradict the ad ad group All right, the leather is biblical man. Yeah, man Corinthians one two and now three All right, here we go The public DTS announcement a message in English will follow This is the daily tech news for wednesday march 30th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Scott Johnson of the frog pan studios the instance boop Extra life radio. I'm just gonna keep going back and naming all your oldest shows So many yeah, do the old ones first and then the current ones last and A lot will be better. Are you and Andrew still doing the instance? Nope that ended a long time ago, but the instance still goes on and I'll tell you what it's uh, never been better and also I'm here to build Tech news report with you today I see what you did there because uh, we've got a lot of Microsoft didn't have a big product announcement or or an operating system upgrade to talk about although they actually they did have an upgrade But they didn't bring out windows 10 or windows 9 or windows 11 or whatever Never did bring out windows 9, but they did have a lot of interesting announcements We're going to run through those in the headlines and then we're going to Do something i'm deciding to call right the second the tim sweeney report card Oh All right, I like this tim sweeney, of course famous for the founder of epic games and considered one of the foremost voices in game tech Uh in the world really and so I am very excited to hear what he has to say. Yeah, uh, he has been very critical Of microsoft windows universal platform and called upon them at build to say something to change his mind So we're gonna check in and see how microsoft did We don't have sweeney here himself, but we know what he wanted. He wrote a very good venture beat article around it Let's start with the headlines Microsoft's announcements at build conference keynote. Here's the summary Uh, this summer we'll get the anniversary update for windows 10 for free if you already have windows 10 installed You may have heard it called redstone. That's that's the one this will redstone will become this Windows 10 is currently installed on more than 270 million devices It's also coming to xbox one and bringing along with it universal windows apps And every xbox one will be able to be used as a development kit for universal windows apps Yeah, that's a big deal. We talked about this a bunch in a pre show prep And whether or not it makes sense and you made a very compelling argument about What it means to have a big install base of a device capable of being a development kit In as many hands as it's in and even though some of those homes may or may not be interested in using the device in this way Uh, it's kind of a numbers game and they they'll end up with a really nice sort of What do you want to call it? It's a side effect Of of this shift toward xbox and the shift toward having windows on everything It'd be interesting how that all yeah, and and something else, uh, someone pointed out to me Uh, is is that having that developer kit on the xbox means that you can also develop your game Or your app for a bigger screen, right? If you're developing downstairs on a nice 26 in screen But you got the xbox upstairs on a 65 at screen. Well, now you can turn that developer kit mode on on the xbox Take a look at your app and and try it out up there while it's still in development Right and the term just the term the old school term development kit used to mean Three or four thousand maybe plus dollars for anything like that When you're talking about a dedicated piece of hardware with dedicated software as a development platform And now you're talking about a three hundred and fifty dollar Plus or minus a solution. That's a big deal. So It's interesting to see how that all fits on the developer centric end Canonical has worked with microsoft to integrate ubuntu user space into windows 10 Including the ability to use bash command line. This is a big deal for a lot of developers Mark shuttles worth shuttle worth rather described it as a reverse wine That translates windows syscals into linux syscals in real time Microsoft also announced the desktop app converter that turns win32.net apps into windows universal apps as well Seems like a big push to get old stuff new again Yeah, the desktop app converter demo was pretty interesting because they just downloaded a game on steam And then turned it into a universal app Which I was like piracy anyone. Hey, is that allowed? But the point was to say you could take an executable and turn it into a windows universal app straight from win32 But I think the bigger news amongst a lot of folks is the fact that they won't have to use sigwin or some other third-party install to run bash on windows And you really if you're into this gotta check out the the description of this Uh from the ubuntu side Describing how they did this it's not virtual machine. It's it's not any kind of container It is best described as something like emulation But the syscals translation thing that you mentioned scott is the direct explanation of it It's able in real time it and and I think shuttle worth himself called it reverse wine So it's it's really really interesting and it's going to be very Very convenient, I think for people to have that besides bash Which I think has already got a lot of people very excited that they can use the ubuntu command line In windows when they're developing Is what else they'll be able to do with this ubuntu user space? That is true I know there are people right now hearing this going well sure you say reverse wine and all they hear in their heads is Oh, so really it is emulation. You can call a reverse all you want, but now we're going to have a system taxing Non native sort of not really talking to the core of your hardware and having to go through a layer of something to to get any work done and and They seem to be pretty bullish on the idea that that's that's not what this is We're not talking about like you said this isn't virtual machine and I think it runs hot Yeah, whatever that means the way they described it The cortana collection launched in the windows app store today to show off how many apps work with the digital assistant They also announced in the anniversary update that cortana will make more proactive Suggestions based on what it knows about you from emails and texts and your calendar things like Ordering lunch for you arranging a car ride sending receipts to an expense account Cortana can also recommend more general time related words or use or understand more general time related words like Last night one example was like, uh, can you email roger? That outlook presentation I was working on last night. I guess it'd be a powerpoint presentation I was working on last night and it will know To look at the last night and see that you were working on that power present point presentation Remember that and find that particular file cortana will soon be available from the lock screen And is coming to xbox one as well Okay, so when you read all of that read through what we know about what they said at build Does it does it seem to you that or at least Here's what I hope I won't say what microsoft is or is planning to do or not to do that They haven't already stated, but I want it to be something that can be It doesn't have to be open source necessarily But something that we integrated very easily into other services. So your example of send this email to roger I love that idea, but what if I don't want to use outlook or use microsoft mail services What if I want to use my gmail account or what if I want to use and they're making cortana's apis available for other programs to work with it So it's all a matter it sounds like it's a matter of those Programmers, you know just integrating that into their stuff and this could be the thing that Finally makes cortana take off in a way that only halo could before a lot of their demonstration of cortana was about android and ios Very tellingly and talking about using cortana on android to do this and now my android to do that So I think it's it's interesting that with cortana particularly and this has been the such an adela way To say we want you to use this on whatever platform you're on just as long as you're using our thing The cornerstone of the keynote was the microsoft bot framework this tool in preview Let's developers build their own chat bots and apps you can browse from a directory Of pre-made bots or use the sdk on github to get started skype We'll get chat bots built into the ios or into the ios into the desktop ios and android and its own skype bot platform Booking a hotel room arranging delivery of cupcakes that sort of thing Lastly the hololens development kit started shipping today as well back to this bot thing though You used an example this morning on tms during your tech segment About me having a conversation with you for example and in that conversation skype being smart enough to recognize that we're talking about how hungry we are and that we want pizzas on their way Uh, that is kind of what they're they're aiming for that level of sort of I don't know kind of what people think the echo is doing for them now when they buy something from amazon That seems sort of integration into there and other you know other services through apis Yeah, it's it's really smart in this particular instance. I think for microsoft To get into the bot says a service platform Because we've talked to we've talked on monday with matt hartman about all the different startups that are using bot like Material all the different platforms like whatsapp That want to have you put your bots on their service and what microsoft is saying is like hey You want to be one of those apps? We can hook you up We can use cortana in there or we can just use our bot platform You can you can use our azure platform to run your bots off of its bots as a service So microsoft very very cleverly nestling themselves Into that that gap for companies who are like well, we're not whatsapp but we'd like to be able to take advantage of this conversational platform and i and What technology companies are banking on and and and it is interesting to see if this is going to carry out is that This sort of conversational platform is the next step in the evolution of the user interface that we're moving on from apps To this sort of bot interaction That's what matt hartman was talking about on monday on the show And i thought there was a really compelling example from sachin adela during his keynote today It was mentioned in a bloomberg article as well That one of his executives mother in china doesn't like apps. She doesn't like searching for apps Doesn't like installing apps and learning how to use them, but she does everything on wechat Everything you can think of on wechat because that is conversational and she's she's comfortable with it She already knows how to use wechat. She uses it to message her son over in the united states who works for microsoft or grandson I guess And so she's like oh, but I can also pay for my groceries great. I'll do that Oh, I can also get customer service on this thing that I need to help with I can do that So I there is something to it and china is the place where this trend is catching hold the most It'd be interesting to see how far it spreads and microsoft is in position to take advantage of it if it does I'm all for this because the only final thing I'd say about it is it seems like the next Uh iteration of this or at least an alternate track to what others have been pushing So if if others think syrie and and alexa and okay google or are the answer That we need an automated voice talking assistant This is suggesting that sure some of that some of that could be the front end But what we're really talking about here is embedded Chat bots that can do more for you and if anyone's you'd slack you know what we're talking about in a very rudimentary way Yeah, they compared cortana to the browser Saying cortana is the one that helps the bots talk to each other for you like that that's a proxy for you Yeah, that's fascinating. I'm however this stuff pans out the process is going to be at least interesting if not potentially evolutionary or revolutionary now There's one of you out there right now said yeah microsoft's really great with bots Like tay ha Just there's probably only one of you saying that but just for you Uh just in time for its bill billed bot announcement tay the chat bot reappeared on twitter late tuesday Mostly just repeating you are too fast. Please take a rest Also said some other alcoholic inspired things microsoft said quote as a part of testing She was inadvertently activated on twitter for a brief period of time and sachin adela acknowledged tay in the keynote They didn't shy away from that called her out by name and said hey, yeah that you know We made some mistakes back to the drawing board with tay, but tay isn't the only bot we're working on and that's how we learn Also like I mean you've you've said this a few times. I said it Guesting on a tech show on monday, and I really believe this Yes, tay came out and yes people took advantage of it and created a a bit of a nightmare scenario in terms of what she Was now saying back to people But what a great learning experience that is I don't think that's even a failure I think that's like A chance to say all right well in the real world with a bunch of people who like to watch the world burn How is this thing going to respond and now we can Adjust things and change things and you know this really says a lot I think about about how this sort of stuff will be used. You want to put it through this kind of rigor So I zero problem with that thing. I don't think it's the mistake It's fun for people to make fun of it. I get it But I think they're learning from this thing And how could you not a nazi robot talking to people you're going to learn some things Well, that's I mean she wasn't a nazi to begin with the internet made her a nazi. Good point We've all made her this way royal dutch airlines aka KLM announced it will send flight confirmation Boarding passes flight status and receive questions through facebook messenger Passengers can take advantage of the service when they book tickets through KLM.com And agree to receive information through messenger rollout starts today with the feature globally active And available in the coming days and weeks Nice more often this happens the better for travelers. I say it's better for travelers This is more Good news for facebook messenger like we got one. We've got a big airline got another one I mean, it's not the first one to use facebook messenger, but it's a big one To use messenger as the platform. I get text messages from airlines all the time I use trippett get text messages from them But facebook messenger becoming an option as well Is a big win for facebook Yeah, and you like you were saying about What's app or whatever facebook wants to be this thing that you use for everything so Nice kit for them google engineer Benson lung says on google plus that amazon has banned usbc cables not in compliance with the usb Implementers forum standards Lung is the guy if you remember who fried a chromebook pixel 2015 trying out usbc cables that he bought on amazon for cheap And then ranted about the fact that these pieces of crap were being sold and warned people like be careful what you buy You could might blow out your computer That's funny They should have this uh to talk about today because I was just in the market for a 29 volt usbc charger For my ipad my ipad pro the problem is the ipad pro with the one it ships with It takes about four and a half hours to fully charge which is kind of terrible If you're using it for a business machine, you need which ipad pro doesn't use usbc though It doesn't but if you use so here's so here's the here's the what's up with that Well, you can supposedly there've been some I read a few tests on a few tech sites that say If you get the macbook air or excuse me the macbook the newer macbook with usbc or uh usbc If you get that power adapter That that will charge the ipad pro In about an hour And we'll do fast charging on it apple sells this thing it's something you can get they don't They even have a note on their website saying this can be used with the ipad pro why they don't ship it with it I don't know But I went to amazon thinking all right. There's got to be an alternative somebody out there and man the nightmare reviews You can find unlike these really crappy sort of knockoff usbc stuff like usbc. We are we are really in that early time where Please buyer beware because there's just some crappy bamboo and cat hair version that came out of taiwan You do not want to put your computer and you know, right? And and amazon banning It doesn't mean they won't sneak onto the platform sideways somehow anyway So still be careful, but it should be harder for them to get on now I agree motherboard reports on a cnbc blog post called apple and the construction of secure passwords The idea was to teach users about constructing secure passwords The execution was awful It asked users to type in their passwords to test how secure they were the form had no encryption The passwords were sent in clear text to a google doc and shared with all advertisers on the page cnbc has since taken the post down Nice job guys I don't know what to say Obviously the reporter probably is going to get all the brunt of the criticism and the reporter My guess is was relying on his support staff To implement this he probably said hey, can I make a form that does this? This is my idea I want to talk about making good passwords and the tech support people let him down and said Yeah, okay, but make sure you make it clear for people not to put the real passwords in there because we're gonna have A secure implementation or they should have made a secure implementation But the way it was done Was definitely awful like I I can see where someone was thinking Oh, well, this will be to test passwords, but obviously people won't put the real passwords in there because that would be stupid Yeah, I mean that's a this feels like purist of intentions. Nobody's trying to mess anybody over here But it just would have it could have used some consulting. Let's put it that way Just any just some guy who does something with passwords on some corporate level Say just come over here and just tell me real quick If this is a bad idea and you could have probably solved a lot of or save a lot of And if you used that form and put in any password that you actually use you should definitely change those passwords Right now Peace world. Peace world. I think they should change their name because we need that in this day and age PC world reports the us aclu the american civil liberties union has identified 64 cases Where the us department of justice has requested cooperation from apple or google Under the all ritz order to unlock mobile devices aclu trying to show like this is definitely not about one phone Although each case is only about one phone seven of the nine google cases Involved google asking for a path asking google for a password reset Not actually unlocking the phone just resetting the password 30 of the cases are from 2015 or later And all of these are different than the 12 cases identified by apple's lawyer mark Zwillinger back in february when we first learned about the new york case and several others Well, uh, can I so I know you guys have talked about this already and I just want to bring it up again I have a great metaphor for you. See if this sounds like something Interesting. I've got a friend who's got a um, all right. Let's say I've got a box It's got a key. Uh, it needs a key to get into the lock and And um, you got a brand new pair of roller skates. Yes, very good brand new key key and And in my box, I have something that my friend needs very badly in order for him to my skates In fact in order for him to perform well at his skating competition But I'm refusing him let him let him get in there because I want to control the security of my box Well, he then called me and said he made all kinds of threats But then he called me and said hey, I think I found a way to get in your box So I'm just going to get in there and take it and then I say well, wait, how did you that's fine But how'd you do it? Well, we're not telling you how I did it Now the metaphor doesn't work for me because it's your box That's right. It is my box That's because that changes everything It really does. Yeah, I need if you were the manufacturer of the box And you're like these boxes are very secure and then your friend was like, I can't get into the box to get my skates Uh, you need to help me out and he's like well these boxes We bake these boxes with the reputation and security then the metaphor works for me Does it I guess what I'm saying and I don't I didn't mean to veer it so far from the actual topic of this post, but does Is there any precedence for them figuring out how to unlock the phone and now share that information with the manufacturer? Yes, all kinds all the time. In fact, there's an entire protocol setup called the vulnerabilities protocol that we mentioned yesterday on the show That is meant to ease the fact that law enforcement will find ways to break into Encryption and and technology and there should be a path to share that with manufacturers in a responsible way that allows Law enforcement to continue to do their jobs well, but also doesn't undermine the security of the products This is this is nothing new at all This is just something nobody else was thinking about before uh, or not nobody else But most people weren't thinking about before I we we we we don't People who don't follow security very closely Think that things are less secure in some cases than they are and more secure in some cases than they are And the fact that a company Somewhere has figured out a process to get around the iphone 5c's old operating system way of protecting things Is not surprising at all. It was surprising to me. It took that long Well, if you're telling me people need to get educate themselves and learn more about things than I don't even know What this will you have to yet to know it's always going to be an arms race The question is how easy is it for someone to do the same method that the fbi used to break into the iphone 5c My guess is it's not very easy You probably have to have physical access to the phone Which is always a big thing if they have to have physical access to your phone Then it's a much less of a concern for you in your day-to-day life unless you lose your phone They probably had to have physical access to the phone and it was probably intensive to to be able to do it And it took time and those those are things that most of us probably won't have to worry about because we'll hold onto our phones And we and and we won't be worth the trouble in most cases Yeah, and if it's easy apple and probably already what they did But I do think it would be irresponsible of the department of justice or the fbi or the company celebrate Maybe maybe not uh to not eventually disclose this to apple in good time like you do the vulnerabilities protocol says look Uh, we need to balance the need to be able to do these things to fight crime with the need to Educate technology companies about the vulnerabilities. So I think that the fbi should tell apple I I don't claim to know exactly how long they should wait or how severe this particular vulnerability is Uh fox con technology group, you know them as fox con Has agreed to purchase a controlling stake in sharp, you know, the guys that made my rad boombox in 1985 for 389 million Excuse me billion with a b yen. That's 3.5 billion us That's 100 billion less or 100 billion yen less than uh an agreement that was um It was almost reached a month ago before sharp to vote full details on liabilities Fox com by doing this will buy 66 of sharp for 88 yen a share Uh a cause or excuse me a clause will still let fox come buy the sharp display business If the deal falls falls apart before october 5th Fox con is positioning itself to sell products to customers or it's to sell its products, I guess Uh, that's right now they make parts and they assemble products for others They want to make their own products and sell them and sharp sharp is provided Doesn't sharp do a lot of well, they used to I don't know They do a lot of sharp products because they have a lot of sharp minds That's what they've always told me But they made like if you went and bought a tv at cosco for example, and it wasn't sharp brand There was a really good chance that you were getting a sharp display anyway. Yeah, that may have been true for a while I don't remember but it sounds right those those kinds of things come and go Right now it's the insignia brand from best buy, which I think they just have assembled directly at plants I don't I don't know with where whether it's sharp or not, but yeah I mean sharp makes lots of things not just monitors and television screens as well But obviously because they want the display business fox con is buying it mostly for that and that's what it's most famous for I'm just saying every kid in high school is jealous of my boombox. That's all i'm going to say about sharp Yeah, because you had a sharp boombox Okay, great Biztech Africa reports a team of 10 software engineering students led by joseph kiddamarike At makarewe university in uganda have developed a device to start a car with a fingerprint The device is called kwanza gari swahili for start a car The system has a gsm code system to allow starting the car by sms as a backup students are Patenting the system right now and they hope to bring it to market and sell it for somewhere between 250 and 300 dollars Oh, that's not bad Well, maybe it is. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I'd probably say basically replacing the starter if I understand it Right so that you don't use a key anymore use your fingerprint And then if the fingerprint system fails for some reason you can have it send an sms using the gsm network And then and and you'll have a verified phone that you can say yeah, okay start the car That seems uh, I mean more secure than a key somebody else could have your key and use it and you They don't have your thumb necessarily So I'm sure some of this stuff is hackable, but I love this kind of thing So I'm all about like finger sensor The only way it'll start stuff and man, isn't it great that we have an archaic technology like sms That's been around forever and gets charged by the techs by some carriers still and it's kind of stupid in a lot of ways But it's become this awesome second and third factor Uh authentication and security tool that that none of us thought we needed. I love that It's like email and the email in the mid aughts was that it was like Oh, we'll just use email to verify everybody's real. Yeah, it's sms all the time and I kind of love that It's like I I also love the idea of 10 software engineering students going like I want to start my car with a thumbprint Let's let's make this happen. Let's figure this out They don't they don't know they're not supposed to be able to do that. So they they do that Sharp minds. Yeah, they are sharp minds Hey, thanks to all who submitted things to our subreddit today cap kipper sp Sheridan both had stories in here You could have one too or you could at least vote submit your stories and vote at daily tech news show dot reddit.com That's look at the headlines All right, so I'm going to set you up scott and I want you to grade Microsoft for me All right If you remember back on march 4th tim sweeney called out microsoft and the guardian Saying that they were locking down the pc ecosystem phil spencer and kevin gallo both from microsoft said no We're a fully open ecosystem Sweeney in venture beat Layed out a more detailed response saying look here's the problem at windows 10 launch It was open to all universal window platform apps But you had to turn on developer mode to execute them You had to go into the start menu then into settings then into update and security then choose for developers Then you could turn on developer mode. He's like that's buried. That's not user friendly He's like and so therefore unlike win32 apps if I want to distribute my app I basically have to put it into the microsoft store Or educate my audience how to go do this crazy setting change Uh, so november 2015 microsoft made Sideload default and in fact kevin gallo made reference to that. He's like back in november We made side loading the default on windows 10. That means the apps don't have to be from the windows star But sweeney points out they still have to be signed by microsoft with microsoft drm on them Which means to to distribute them you still have to send them to microsoft. He's like that's still not okay There's plenty of other security certificate authorities that could sign these things and make them secure. So March 10th venture beat. He said here's what I think microsoft needs to do support installation from any support any source support digital signing from any Certificate authority not just microsoft allow third party stores to install update an uninstall universal windows program apps No restrictions on net connectivity for third party apps or commerce Where you have to go through the microsoft store to do in-app purchases and stop Calling non microsoft store installations side loading that that he's like that's just makes people think they're weird and unusual okay So he was saying at the very end of this venture beat article scott I hope to hear new things at the build conference Well, let's see if we heard any new things at the build conference. Uh, first of all, I just want to say this About sweeney's presentation in that venture beat article. He uh made a really good strong case in my mind about You hear this all the time about software and development being a form of speech And you would never want to have to run your speech by some authority every time you wanted to say something You'd still want to be able to present your speech in a safe way and all these other kinds of things But you don't want somebody else telling you what you should or shouldn't say and it's kind of tantamount to what he's talking About with software I really like that today at build terry mierson executive vice president for windows and devices at microsoft said this Here's the quote. This is an open platform. It is an open ecosystem of hardware and software developer partners It has been for over 30 years Nothing changes with the universal windows platform and then said there has never been a better time to be a windows developer so in Pretty open a pretty bald-faced way said Nothing changes from the last 30 years I still think there's probably some technicalities there like for example Saying that on bill didn't make everyone's windows 10 installs magically changing the defaults or any kind of you know things that you're Committing to as a developer immediately, but but it I guess it's nice to hear him say those words Nadella made reference to windows is open for everyone He made a comment about that in his his speech his talk and desktop app converter takes windows 32 apps And games and converts into windows 10 apps in the windows app store. There is still a submission process Which they haven't detailed yet Which again doesn't answer some of the questions That tim sweeney asks and they announced conversion toll for converting win 32 apps to uwp Again, none of this addresses some of those core questions Which you laid out in five very simple steps and I like this sweeney basically said this he said I would be happy to be called paranoid About this whole thing like a paranoid crazy person Some words like that in his article But I don't think he is and I think he's actually being very um, I don't know fourth right about what the actual Yeah, hold on. Hold on. So what microsoft said today is we're at open platform We're totally open you could submit your things to our store I think they get a def from tim sweeney. Yeah, I think they didn't do any of the things he asked for Yeah, I mean if they are they're not saying it. So that's one thing You know benefit of the fair they didn't say it in the keynote if Yeah, or at the end of this week or maybe at some other point we get more details They have sit down interviews with somebody maybe that stuff becomes more clear like sometimes that stuff often does but As it stands based on what they said on stage today All they did was say yeah, we're open. Trust us. We're good and then moved on And I don't that is definitely not enough for what he's asking and I think what he is asking Is indicative of the larger development community not just games not just gaming In fact, he very much spoke from a place that wasn't specific to gaming in this article He's speaking from a position of we want a robust vibrant platform That is open and secure and even compliments them. It says look what they're trying to do with a secure with their form of security is a noble Thing it's a thing you want to chase but this is just the wrong way to do it So to answer your ultimate question. Did tim sweeney's questions get answered the answer is no Um, they they gave face service to the to the overall question of is this an open platform? But no details. None of the technicalities were addressed and again if they can do that off stage somewhere great We'll have to wait and see but I yeah, if you're giving them a grade probably a d-minus 2 and f is my thinking Yeah, I you know w scottis one says okay devil's advocate How would that work on windows phone if they don't have their universal apps in the app store without lowering your shields and side loading And that's a fair point But I would say that's really easily dealt with by saying the windows phone implementation Could have a different default they you know the fact that it's a universal windows 10 platform is sort of a misnomer It's not like it's exactly the same code in every case. It knows what screen size it's on it knows what's processor it's on So it is it is universal in some respects But they could say well when we're on a phone or a tablet we're going to Make the default be it has to come from the windows store and you can change it if you want at your own risk And then when we're on a pc desktop or a laptop and there's a little overlap there a little debate over What's a laptop and what is and I get that but for the most part say here We're going to allow anybody to do a third-party store and microsoft could even do authorized third-party stores What's happening is microsoft is trying to play the ios android game While also applying it to the desktop which historically doesn't play that game of we are going to have everything run through an app store Well part and os 10 by the way os 10 has the same issue the exact same issue and I was going to bring that up Let's look at the case of apple both ios and ios 10 they're both platforms that are Very much this stuff in place ios especially it is i'm not going to call it a walled garden But it's a if you want to do your app and you want to put it on that platform a popular platform for your app You have to adhere to The basic core of what apple's restrictions are and you have to submit to apple for approval There are certain things you have to do and we would all be complaining just as loudly about that If that wasn't already a precedent. I wonder how much of this is that so for example You're taking a 30 30 years of pc history and saying oh well No, we're gonna we're gonna narrow that all that in and you're gonna have to submit to us now That's the crime here is that they're changing for a lot of people, isn't it? Yeah, I think lau roman has a brilliant Observation he says but everything runs through an app store the most popular linux distributions have have app stores We've got a new ubuntu user space in windows 10 app to get that stuff all day long That's right. Just starting running linux things. I don't know. Okay. There's something there though But yeah, no, there's there's no reason not to allow other app stores and to you know And in linux, you certainly can't it doesn't prevent you from downloading an app outside of the app store There's nothing wrong with having the app store. It's just Required or or de facto required, which is what tim sweeney's saying I feel like sweeney basically did what what um, they tried to say it valve When valve threw a real canary about windows 8 and its plans for universal app development He's just doing it in a way more Controlled Focused very logical non emotional perspective and I'm and I really appreciate that And it reads really well So if you if you are not completely at this age of the internet adverse to reading a relatively long article About this issue. I really recommend that venture beat articles and tindex says we all see how well that worked for npm Just just just just to settle down not everybody's npm. And yes Packet manager package managers are not the same as abstract. All right Pick of the day comes from gadget chaser in menaces, virginia, uh writes regarding managing extensions in chrome I'd like to recommend simple ext manager in the chrome web store. I've been using it for probably about nine months It's indispensable for configuring and customizing chrome depending on my task or workstation It allows you to turn on and off your extensions at will without having to go into chrome settings so if you Sync your chrome installations all the extensions will show up on every installation But sometimes you sit down at the desktop, you're like, I really don't want that on But I don't want to have to dig through settings every time to turn it off This gives you an easy way to do that. You can even group them together So you can create groups of extensions. You can activate or deactivate as a batch He says I have a group I use at work Which has different limitations on what I can do on the internet a group for security a group for research A group for communication You can activate extensions one at a time or by the group or by both You can back up and import your groups through a simple backup file in the options It's invaluable to me for managing extensions. It also doesn't make me feel too guilty about trying new extensions Knowing I can turn them on or off at will, uh, especially if a performance is an issue So checking out the chrome store. That's uh, simple ext manager It's like workspaces in a photoshop all us adobe folk Have known this for a long time and and that's awesome. Sounds like a really good deal Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks James c smith who's one of our analyst level backers. Thanks boss is also a mobile game developer down in urvine and says Had an interesting discussion yesterday about free to play mobile games that 0.23 number got a lot of attention But first let's remember That is what percent of players generate just half the revenue The other half the revenue is generated by more players 2.3 percent of players spend real money in these games Now I had different numbers yesterday if I can look back here real quick Uh, I was seeing Not 0.23 percent, but 1.9 percent of players in february paid And that it was a 0.19 percent or 48 percent But that's kind of quibbling because really his point is sound which he says 60 percent of players try the game once and never played again 90 stop playing within the first 30 days There are some players who play for a long time and never pay, but they are less than 10 percent Having even only 1.9 percent of the game downloads generate revenue Isn't that different than premium games that have free demos 10 years ago I was making downloadable demos for my premium games and the industry standard was for 2 percent of the trial Downloads to convert to sales when players can download another free trial in an instant It takes a lot to convince them that a game is worth spending money on that was true of premium games 10 years ago And it's still true for free to play games today agree with this guy 100 percent. Also. I trust anybody who works in Irvine Uh, I don't know why it's just blizzards there. Yes, but but anyway, halo Look because you're in their pocket I think this is I was talking to patrick about this offline. This is such a numbers game and Look, it's the way that weird ecosystem works. I'm not saying it's super awesome We're not volatile or couldn't be better or any of those things It is the nature of that beast and so people are wrangling beast the best they can Yeah, uh, and then we got a note from andy who's like you guys keep referring to nick as a collection of plugins But he's like you can use some of them Without plugging them in I tested them all analog effects pro 2 color effects pro 4 hdr effects pro 2 and silver effects pro 2 Are able to open images file image files and apply their filters Defined to and sharpener pro 3 and the va va's v Sorry v va's that too do not seem to have a way to open a file without being used as a plugin Uh, he says I use them as plugins, but the ones I most use are ones that can be opened individually Oh, all right then. Yeah, you don't use any of the nick plugins I don't use any of this stuff. No, and it's I am not I promise. I'm not some kind of adobe elitist or anything I'm just I'm just in that ecosystem to the point that I don't think I could ever get out So the stuff's a little foreign to me And then big jim wrote with a link to a story from american shipper that amazon is opening a fulfillment center in edgerton, canzas Which is near canzas city And he thought this was significant for three reasons one that frees up the majority of space in their other Distribution centers and canzas is a good central location with access to a rail hub So he was saying your heavy items your big items can come out of canzas And you've got room for the smaller items on the periphery Number two transit time to canzas is about the same from the east coast or la giving them flexibility on how they want to ship So they can get to the central warehouse either way And he says labor is cheaper than it is on the coast in canzas. So it saves him a little money, too His summary statement was I cannot state this enough amazon is a company that is making a ton of good moves building up their infrastructure right now And this is one of them. Well, you got to put those echoes someplace tom. That's right I don't know echoes are small though Televisions a lot of televisions gonna stick those somewhere Well, thank you scott johnson for joining us. Uh, what is going on in the frog pants universe these days? Tons of things. Uh, today I'll just tell people that if you like a daily show like you do here on the daily tech news show You might also like a daily morning show fill your day with daily content I would say so head on over to frog pants dot com slash tms. 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Um It's people still consider buying a show buying a movie in the draft to be a show of of support Right for the movie. I would have totally bought warcraft at the right price Yeah, I am also and separately Excited to watch the warcraft movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible to actually be both. Yeah A smart buyer of the film or a voider of the film, but someone looking forward to seeing it All right, so titles yes Well, so the top is bash on windows 10 The following one is bashing windows I mean those those one or the other of those seems like a lock, but keep going. All right, so, uh Go go home. Tay. You're drunk Scott johnson can't get into his box What's in the box? micro nucks When boon to all your bots belong to us Microsoft bashes build Lindows 10 remember it wasn't there lindows. Yeah, lindows was the uh, that was a michael robertson thing, wasn't it? Yeah, that's a long time ago There's also window bonds uh cortana fights for the bots Amazon says usbc you later Uh Micro so fail usbc PC piece world bamboo and cat hair usbc Foxconn gets sharp You had a sharp ends up Everyone's not bad Stop the side loading Ha ha ha The reference to that that parody of the of the um, the gi joe PSA is where the computer says stop all the downloading That's very That's very obscure, but I think that's funny Don't call it a side load. It's been here for years I'm a sucker for that joke. I wouldn't love that. I have to say Bots as a service bash. So the top three right now are bash on windows 10 scott johnson can't get into his box And go home to your drunk Well, I would say bashing windows or bashing bash on windows 10 Uh Are my two favorites because they apply to tim sweeney as well as the literal Inclusion of bash in windows 10. I would say bash on windows 10. All right. Yeah, let's go with that because it's top It's top and I like it and it's appropriate to two parts of the conversation without being a mashup title, which is very elegant So well done to beat master and silverblade for their variance on that Plus people already know I can't get into my box. It's That's a long known. We all have a history. It's fine We don't need to share that with and then I had to bring melanie into it and that that just threw me off Right, I should know and I had that I had that song. I'm stuck in my head while you were trying to explain Yeah, what have I done to myself So it's singing out loud. It's the only way to get rid of it. I've got a brand new pair Oh, gosh, this is the worst song. It really is but it's hard not to I don't even know what song that is. Oh Yeah, go look it up on youtube and then hate me for listening to What is the title? Brand new key by melanie. Yeah Melanie's great by the way, like my first introduction to her was that song and I was like, uh I would never I refuse to listen to anything by melanie and then I I found some other things by melanie and I realized Oh, she's actually really good I got no problems with melanie But the song I've got a brand new pair. It's actually not a bad like composed Composition how many ants? Oh, it's laud or How many how many places have a naval investigative unit? No, I'm not sure why you're asking that This song is never gonna be my head now Oh, I could hear it in the background even it's kind of country. It's actually not as bad as it's full key Oh, okay another song. Yeah. Yeah It's quirky It just reminds me of patchouli. I'm sorry There's a really good metal cover of it the if it played once on the morning show. It's oh, yeah Yeah, it's actually kind of great it's um You know, it's weird like the only band I can say I appreciate out of that era Like that's still like I would actively see if I see it somewhere like in the store I kind of might bite this is uh, is anything from the band Hmm. Oh the band. Yeah, the band Take a load off The band I used to hate them because I really love that song for some reason And I really didn't like I didn't like live either because their name was live hated that Are you listening to live? I'm like, no And you hated the who because it was like they were all trying to perpetuate the who's on first thing In band names. I hate it The band what's wrong with uh, who's on first? It's okay. If you're in the mood for Abbott or Costello or both But as it turns out as a band name, it doesn't work. What's they just a reimagining of Laurel and Hardy? Yeah, kind of I know that there's so there's a lot of different temporaries. I'm not sure if one was a ripoff of the other Yeah, there. I was how Laurel and Hardy came like at least five six years before Some like that. They're the coke and Pepsi of their day. They're a bit they're actually it's closer to something like, um Oh Like go-bots and transformers from yeah voltron and battle of the planets. There you go. I always confuse them by the way I am so excited about the new voltron series. I am so I don't know the last one they tried to redo is stupid. I agree. I agree I got them making me stupid people involved are cool and netflix seems to Get this maybe so this is the important thing if you've ever watched voltron like the original What are they called some five-beast go lion or whatever? It was a really violent, you know, Japanese cartoon and they totally sanitize it for for uh For release in the u.s. And other markets if they go in with the original intents like yeah We're going to make it really kind of balls of the wall kind of like slashy blood guts and everything That would be cool. But if they're just going to give you kind of a Play school version of it I don't think it'll be as cool because that's that's what made the original voltron so cool because you knew Like no those weren't robots getting killed by the scores Those are alien beings with blood because you could see it. Yeah, there are people there My amazon tap arrives tomorrow. Oh lovely. Is that the one that's uh, like it's a flat little flat echo, right? It's the echo without the speaker Although it does have a small cardioid speaker. I think in it So that you can attach it to your own speaker And then there's the mobile one that's coming too, which I can't remember the name. Uh, yeah, what is that called? Um Amazon Point no dot dot No, the dot no wait tap is the That tap is I'm sorry. I had it backwards tap is the one that's mobile dot is the one that doesn't have the speaker Okay, that's it That's the one that just gives you I'm gonna put the dot in the bathroom Because I don't need a big speaker in there. I have an old speaker that I can plug it into And and then I can add things to the shopping list like shampoo and soap And you just say alexa I've fallen and I can't get up And that way I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you just said You know what if a playlist of some stupid man playing playing playing song falling By Tom Petty From Tom Merritt's playlist It'd be great if you could control your room bus because baby you can say get room bus to push me up into sitting position Yeah, get all your home automation to save you. I love that get my hamilton beach mixer I got really excited that it works with nest now And I was like, what am I gonna do? Like amazon tell nest things feel pretty good in here. Thanks Things playing foo fighters from you know, the thing is I would have totally used it I would have used the amazon nest integration when I first got the nest and I was constantly teaching it But nest does a pretty good job for me now Especially now that it knows I'm here even when I'm not upstairs and So I don't really have anything to do to it Yeah Nest knows me better than I know myself Scott I feel like Nest knows Me better knowing you better knowing better knowing me knowing you playing knowing me knowing you by abba from scott johnson's amazon music playlist Ordering two crates of toilet paper Just like you did last time I go to cosco for that stuff. That's just a one once in a month Well, you do too, but nick ordered it as a joke because he wanted to see if it worked and it did He I because I had said to the kids when we got it I said, all right, you guys just so you know this thing can like totally order stuff from amazon He didn't believe me. So him and his friend his knucklehead friend ordered toilet paper And thought it didn't work and then we got toilet paper like four days later Was it cheaper or about the same price? Well, did you get the email saying that it had been ordered? Kim did I didn't get it? Oh kim got it, okay And she just did she was like, oh, I guess we ordered toilet paper. Yeah, I always use it Yeah, it's not like we're you know, we're not Another thing we're not going to ever use. Yeah, we kept it and it was about the same price roger and you know in the end in the end But cost goes right up the street playing the end by beetles from tune and radio Don't ask her to play ecdc unless you have a bunch of that already purchased She'll play karaoke versions of ecdc No, what they need is a alexa integration with legal zoom Yeah, that'd be all right. Alexa. Draw me up a contract love that friend advanced to divorce papers alexa negotiate new rate I want to talk to her or whatever i'm going to talk to i want to talk to him at the same casual way that that miller talks to his Phone on the expanse. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's when i'm that's when we're in man when you can just go I don't want to see this when i'm showing it. That's what cortana Is promising. Yeah, we'll see I find myself being too enunciated as it is and even i don't even need to seri does a fine job of dictating what i say It's just i get like if i'm doing a text and i want to say what i say by rachel i'll be tom comma give me a call at three p.m Space. Oh, yeah, i need to stop acting like i'm talking. It's funny. I don't use any of that stuff Uh, but brian brushwood does and when i was hanging out with him during south by southwest It was it was amazing. Like i knew it instantly what he was doing when he'd be like I will be there in five minutes period of like, oh, you're definitely not talking to me. You're talking to your phone. All right I'm uploading the show Guy on twitter says i don't do very good metaphors Well, that's like saying well, that would be a simile see maybe you do really good similes He says why is scott johnson so bad at metaphors ace detect our good dts and then he says and i said You mean bad isn't good, right? He said if scott johnson I feel i feel bad. I brought that on you by correcting your metaphor as soon as i do that Then they then that person feels like oh, i got to jump on scott because tom changed his metaphor Anybody in our shared audience already knows that i am I'm gloriously bad at metaphors and it's fun on most of my shows So this guy is probably just new doesn't know and it's fine. It doesn't know doesn't know what i'm selling You're a giraffe eating eucalyptus with metaphors my friend. That's right. That's right. I've always said it Finally someone else says it Just say I love your metaphors. Don't ever stop. I'm not gonna change I'm changing for nobody Don't go changing Turn please me. Whoa. What happened to my upload? uh-oh What's sound cloud? What do I pay you for? It's been um A little fruity lately this track can't be played right now Well, it's still being processed, but the uh, the old bar that says it's being processed went away. That's why it was fooled Who is the bigger fool the fool or the fool who follows him? You That's what I would have told gandalf Hey gandalf quit smoking all that halfling weed and get your ass over here. Your mom is a fool Are you fools? I still don't understand why they just couldn't have just been on the eagles from the start and just fly Did you hear did you hear the theory about that? Yes? I don't remember it, but I remember uh Following a blog post about it somewhere The theory roughly was that he had that all set up And then he got knocked away by the balrog And then I don't remember the part of why the eagles just didn't do it anyway, but his fly you fools Was meant to be a hint like go get in touch with the eagles and then just fly to mordor, dude Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like telling a 12 year old get in the car and drive away. It's like, okay Except I don't never driven a car. I don't know how to drive what I don't know which direction this interstate will take me No, take the third exit of the off ramp and I'll lead you right by I bet stride or no They call them stride What if they just strapped it to a giant rock and aimed it at mount doom and just hope they went straight through the volcano top Giant catapult solved everything What if they missed though you don't get to recover from that Oh, no, you do test shots and if you if it misses, what are you going to do kill a bunch of oracles just come and find where you're doing your test shots from Right Yeah, but they still they still takes time and they're not like they're magical beings But they're not like it's a daisly magically gonna show up Um weird Does instagram do 60 second video now? What's that about? Yeah, that was uh, I heard that on the dts headline yesterday scott The dang it. Why don't I hear more tuesday shows? I heard mondays. I don't know. I'll just give you a hard thing I gotta listen to the mornings instead of getting to Don't feel like you ever have to listen. I don't like to be a chore. I like Um, I like I like to show it too. I never listen to it Although I always say the same thing to people at tms is like don't if you don't yeah Don't what i'm talking about because I don't I don't want people to feel like it's a burden, you know I've had I've done that to my self with shows where I'm like no I should really keep listening and then it's like that just ends up you with you not enjoying it. That's not good All right, I am out of the post. Thanks everyone for watching or listening. However, you consume the show We love you. Thank you for your support and we'll see you tomorrow