 As-salam wa alaikum wa rahmatuullahi wa barakatahol. Yn fawr a fywd i ddweud i ddechrau i ddweud am eich ddweud. Finsha'r Llau, dyna'n gweithio'r ddechrau y gallai ddweud sy'n iawn i'r 5th imam. Imam El-Baqir, ala'i as-salam. Dwi'n ddifu'r Ibna' Ali El-Baqir, ala'i as-salam. Byddwyd wedi ni'n gwneud yn yw'r wrthwyng. Byddwyd yn ychydig yw'r hwy oed i'r wybodaeth. Ac mae'n ychydig o'r bywodd fel'r lleniadion yn ffordd gan y prof punk ‫el iawn mawr ar yma'i amlun o'i dzeligol i'r unigion felly o fy enwedd i yma I'm Gwyrdd Hosen ac Ysain — seyddi, xabarb yn eich catalogau gymno. Dydolch yn anodd y gwirbyn yn gwneud o'r hynny sydd y'r ysgolol yw wrth dclip. Duko yn drwyr dr Zoher. Ysgolol i'n ei gweithio. Ysgolol i'r ysgolol i'n ei gweithio. So, imam el-Baqir aleyhaith-salam, mae'n ddweud y maestr o'r riliadau. Mae'n maestr o'r all-academia. Mae'n maestr o'r science, mathematics, language, history, psychology. Mae'n ddweud o'r all-dayn. Ond mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r riliadau. Mae'r science and religion are polar opposites. How can religion and science be compatible? Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim. Alhamdulllillaw ar-Rahim. Alhamdulllillaw ar-Rahim. Alhamdulllillaw ar-Rahim. In fact, it would be... if they weren't compatible. Religion of Islam, if you like, is based on science. Every single aspect of the teachings of Islam is there for a reason. It isn't just we have those teachings out of the blue for no reason. Every single deed that we do, every single instruction that we have is for the benefit of mankind and for the welfare of mankind. Regardless, whether it's the daily prayers, obligatory prayers that we do, whether it's fasting, Hajj, Zakaad, the teachings, the economic system that we have, the political system that we have, every single aspect of the teachings of Islam has a reason and a wisdom. Science can explain it one day or another. Public science can't explain all the teachings today, but one day science will be able to explain those teachings of Islam. When it comes to the economy, you will see that we have the best economic system which is for the welfare of the masses, for the benefit of the masses. When it comes to politics, it's the same, when it comes to every other aspect. Of course, we have more obvious, if you like, less obvious, but we have more obvious issues. When Allah SWT says, wa s-e-n-n-r-e-a-m-f-e-l-a-f-a-q-e-w-f-e-a-t-e-n-a-w-e-a-m-f-e-a-m-f-e-a-m-f-e-s-e-h-m. We will show them our signs in the far-fetched horizons and in their own cells. So when scientists look at the human body and how it functions and the various aspects of the human body, at least the physical side of it, how the organs function, how the cells function, Allah wants to show his signs in these cells to prove his existence, that someone designed these, this system, this system of human body. And also on the other hand, if you go and study the galaxies and again scientists are perplexed at the enormity and complexity of the system that we have out there. And Allah says in the Quran that we will show them our signs both in the far-fetched horizons and galaxies and also within themselves and their own bodies. So science and religion, at least the religion of Islam I'm talking about, there is no distinction between them. That's wonderful and it's a really lovely example that you've given with the human body. I remember sitting doing my GCSE in science and biology and looking at the different systems of the body like you have your nervous system, for example, you have your cardiovascular, you have your reproductive system and all these things going on in one body, in perfect harmony and balance and subhan Allah. Like there has to be a creator behind that. You look at things like a car, for example, and you think, oh, wow, the person that made that car must have been an amazing individual. Like how great is the creator that made the human body that we know and we have amused today as such. So basically, like I know before I converted to Islam, many Muslims, they would turn to me and say that there are many scientific miracles within the Holy Quran and some individuals turn around and say, well, where? Because we can't see these things. Can you enlighten us on some of them? There are certain aspects, as I said, to do with the galaxies when Allah talks about we are expanding and we have created the universe and we are expanding. Corrella, if I'm wrong, up until recently, people didn't know that the universe was expanding. And now they say that they are flying apart. Basically, the universe is expanding. So that's something which Allah, the Prophet SAW, declared as a revelation from Allah SAW 14 centuries ago. And now in the late 20th century or early 21st century, scientists have recognized that. So there are various aspects of this. Or when Allah SAW talks about the embryo, again, science today has confirmed what Allah SAW has said in the Quran where the Prophet SAW said in the Quran 14 centuries ago. There are various aspects like this. But the important thing that the Quran and Islam came is first and foremost to provide dignity for the people, to provide a system where that system provides dignity and welfare for the people and to encourage taqwa and purification of the soul so that this Islamic system delivers decent human beings. And of course it's the duty of every single individual that they have to work on themselves. It's not autopilot. It's not something automatic. You have to work on yourself so that every single individual has to work on themselves so that they become a decent individual as required by the Quran. Allah SAW says he is the one who sent a prophet from amongst them so that he can purify them, liwz-zakee him wa yw'allimwm yw'r kitabol. So that he purifies them and teaches them the book and wisdom. So this is the essence of the Quran. And of course it touches on if you like scientific, even though all of these are scientific, it touches on scientific issues like expanding universe, the fetus in the womb, how Allah created them, the stages that it goes through, so on and so forth. So it's very clear that the Quran is full of scientific miracles. I know myself, my personal favourite is where Allah SAW says that on the day of judgement He will raise us by the fingertips. And what He means by that is actually the fact that each of us we have unique fingerprints. No two fingerprints are the same. And He's saying I can create that in the first place and I can do that all over again after you pass away. Subhan Allah, like that's just absolutely incredible. Now, with the character of Imam Al-Baqarah, like he really was a scholar and a scientist within his own right. And many people came to speak with him and debate with him. But one of the problems that he often encountered and all the imams of the Ahl al-Bayt, unfortunately they encountered this is sometimes these individuals that would come and debate with him. Sometimes they were incredibly rude and insulting. I mean, I remember a particular incident where a man went up to the Imam and called him Baqarah instead of Baqarah. How did Imam Al-Baqarah respond to such comments? See, the imams of Ahl al-Bayt al-Baqarah, the Prophet SAW and his holy progeny, they were there. But they are here for a purpose and for a mission. And the mission is to provide guidance to mankind, all of mankind, regardless of where they come from, what religion they may have and so on and so forth. So if someone comes along and start insulting whether it's the Prophet or Imam Al-Baqarah or Imam Hassan, Amir Maumni does matter. When someone comes along and start insulting them, they are not going to preoccupy themselves and waste that opportunity by responding to them or trying to address that issue. So like lowering themselves in a way? Lowering themselves or even if they don't want to waste that opportunity. What they want to do is to try, at least seize that opportunity and provide guidance to the individual. So even if the individual starts on the wrong footing and starts name-calling or insulting the Imam, he wouldn't respond likewise nor would he lose that opportunity. As mentioned in the books that when someone started insulting the Imam and insulting his mother, the Imam said to him, if what you have said about my mother is true, then may Allah forgive her. And if what you have said about my mom is not true, then may Allah forgive you. So he started praying for the individual who was accusing him and his mother and or insulting him. And having said that, made that clear. And if you like said the scene of respect and calmness, he started addressing the issues that he wanted to debate and discuss with Imam Al-Baqarah. So as I said, they are there for a mission, they are there for a purpose and they're not going to be diverted by and distracted from that purpose by which is the guidance, providing guidance to mankind by insults and what have you. So this is the bigger picture, if you like, the Imam's have. We're here to provide guidance to humanity. And of course we as followers, we need to follow in their full steps. So if somebody comes along and starts falsely accusing us of things, then we don't really need to go to their level and start responding in that in that manner. Try to turn a blind eye, try to attract them by praying for them and then enter into the debate and discussion that aims to arrive at a conclusion which hopefully will be a source of guidance for the other side. It's amazing that Imam Al-Baqarah, he was able to show great wisdom and patience in that situation because I don't know about you. You know it's hard enough if somebody is rude to me but if somebody is rude about my mother, it's such an awful situation to be in. That's very hard and it requires, on our part, a lot of training, if you like, so that when we are placed in that situation, we don't lose our temper, we don't respond likewise and we try to use the opportunity to guide the individual. Yeah, for the betterment of everybody, basically. One thing that I've noticed in the debates of Imam Al-Baqarah, particularly with atheists of this scientific background, he mainly uses the topic of reflection. He gets these individuals to reflect on the world around them and the universe. I'd like to know, what is the importance of reflection within Islam? Well, it's extremely important. We have in the Quran, a phalae at ddeborun, a phalae at aqilun, a phalae at aqilun. Why don't they reflect? Why don't they contemplate the issue? Why don't they think about it? So it's important that an individual thinks for himself or herself. You can give information, you can try to present an argument to an individual to a certain extent. You can't spoon-feed them everything. So it is extremely important that an individual, they sit back and reflect and contemplate the issue. Okay, they get some, if you like data, they get the argument, they get the reasoning from the other side, from Imam Al-Baqarah, or from the Prophet, sallallahu alai wa ala. And then the Imam or the Prophet ask them to take some time, think about it, reflect and turn it inside out, turn it all over, so that they can come with some sort of justification for themselves. So reflection is extremely important. And as in the discussion, in one of the discussions that Imam Al-Baqarah had with an atheist, when he said, oh, I don't believe in God, he denied the existence of God. And he said, have you been beneath the surface of the earth to see what's going on there? He said, no. Have you been up in the skies to see what's going on there? He said, no. He said, have you been to the east or west? He said, no. He said, it's strange that you haven't been to these places, you haven't been underground, you know, under the surface of the earth, or in the skies to find out, or east and west. And yet you have the courage to say, oh, you deny the existence of God. That made him, he said, think about this. That's right. So this kind of thing, he basically tried to trigger him to think about it. He asked some questions and left him alone. Just as the case with the Prophet Muhammad SAW, when he was talking with a Jewish guy about Ozeir, which we discussed earlier on, and when the Prophet presented the arguments, he left him alone so that he could think for himself about and contemplate the issue. So self-reflection is extremely important. So sometimes maybe if you're having a discussion with an individual, maybe you shouldn't push them too much, maybe just give them a point and then just be like, okay, just think about this, and then we'll talk later, insha'Allah. Is that what you're saying? That's how it should be. You shouldn't expect to reach a conclusive conclusion, if you like, right on the spot when you're discussing things. This is something which you don't usually get, especially when the other side, they have their own beliefs, their own understanding, and it takes time for them to turn things over. Yes, that does make sense actually. That's why I've never really understood it when individuals, they've just converted on the spot as such. I know that if I was in a debate with somebody, it would take a bit of time. It took me a bit of time to convince me about Shia Islam, Islam in general, and then picking which school of thought that wanted to be part of. That's only natural. It takes time because you need to sort of see the evidence, think about it, go back and forth, and that takes time, especially when it comes to beliefs. I think another thing as well is with an individual like Imam Al-Bakr, I feel like we as the Shias, we've done a bit of a disservice to him as such. We haven't presented him to the world, not just as a religious leader, but could you just imagine if we really made an effort to present an individual like this to the wider world and showed them the kind of things that he said, the pearls of wisdom that he taught his students. SubhanAllah, don't you think that would change so many people's lives? Yeah, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, we've done a disservice to the Shia, if you like, I've done a disservice to the Ahlu Bayt in their entirety, to the 14 Maasum, starting from the Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi Wasall, all the way to the last Imam, the 12th Imam. It's because we haven't really presented the teachings of the 14 Maasum, the teachings of the Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi Wasall, to the people at large, and we really have failed in our duty to do so. By now, we should have made that effort so that people know about the teachings of the Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi Wasall. Not only that, probably a lot of the Muslims themselves don't know the principal teachings of the Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi Wasall to do with life, to do with society, to do with politics and economics. So, yes, we have, unfortunately, failed in our duty. And inshallah, we'll use this opportunity to encourage individuals to search more about the teachings of the Prophet and present them to the wider world, inshallah. Almenia, I hope this conversation that we've had today, Dr Sahara, may be inspired for you as a home, inshallah. But my dear brothers and sisters, please do stay tuned as up next, Sister Fatima is going to be discussing the issue of mental health, inshallah.