 That's the thing. That's why I'm doing the live stream early today because of the air conditioner repairman Well, I'm also doing that with There was a part of me that really felt like I should be able to figure out what the problem was and fix it myself Oh, yeah, totally part of me another part of me said Tom. That's probably true But it's a waste of your money Pay the guy who can fix it fast to come and actually for me like it's It's like my garage door if I the the garage door opener the one that goes in your car the clicker was Busted and I thought oh, it's just a battery. So replace it didn't do anything. So I just bought a new Remote for 20 bucks off Amazon. I mean, yeah, if it's an obvious fix I will fix it myself But the when it's like well, I could go down a rabbit hole and spend all day and waste when I'm wasting time I'm wasting my own money so Well, I figured out what it would take to replace that and I didn't want to do it because I basically would have to soft the PVC pipes off the old valve and then I would have to get new ones and find them the right height and Then cement them using the PVC cement that purple glue gunk It's just basically I didn't want to do it and Actually not just that's time. You won't be spending doing other things. That's yeah It's like resting or playing with my kid or looking for another job. Yes I Stuff like that. Yeah Resting is important Also, I gotta clean this place. It's really bugging me. I just haven't gotten around to it I mean I clean bits here and there but Man the house is so much more. Did you ever get around to it? Did anyone ever give you one of those? No That was like a big joke novelty item. I remember when we go on vacation being all the souvenir shops be a Like you know like a wooden round fake coin with the word to it on it I used to like it being hammered by like souvenirs at different locations. It's like you can buy all this stuff on But you get it right the round yeah when I get around it's like jump to conclusions Matt. Yeah I remember you just jump right now or yeah, we're live no no no for the for the show show. Oh, yeah for the show, right? Here we go. Yeah You about ready. Yeah, I'm ready to roll. Are you done reading your your stories? I Have and by that I mean your soap operas my one your soap operas All right. Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, June 15th. Is that the Ides of June 2017? I'm Tom Merritt Justin Robert Young sitting alongside from the heart of the Warriors celebration Justin Indeed well, maybe right off. Maybe one of the arteries a main artery though into the the vena cava of the warrior Celebration But yeah, right around the lake here where we live in Oakland, California was the spot of much revelry as the Oakland are sorry The Golden State Warriors took their parade to Oakland for one of the Few final times You know since since since the Warriors are are moving back to or to say back to the city As they say the town to the city, but happy days today Well folks, we're gonna talk about potential happy days for slack investors Amazon is apparently nosing around interested in acquiring slack Remember there were rumors Microsoft was but they didn't and they launched their own version instead with Microsoft Teams But let's start off with a few other tech things you should know Google announced a new app called backup and sync that can monitor and backup files in any directory you choose So not just the drive directory, but can point you point it at your root directory if you want backup and sync app comes out June 28th That seems very helpful You know, I think backup is is you know having more and more ways to backup is always good And I think we are entering in a world where storage is so cheap that it will become the responsible thing to have multiple Cloud backups of as much as you can possibly everybody wants to be your hard drive mirror It looks like box is coming out with its its new desktop app Dropbox just did a redesign of its online interface like this the competitions heating up Netflix is now planning to participate in the internet wide day of action to save net neutrality on July 12th protest organizers said today Yeah, so net and Netflix had been off the list and people had pointed to read Hastings comments that net You know net neutrality was not a big I big problem for them anymore saying ah, they're they're big now They don't care what it seems like was Netflix wanted to make sure its investors understood that it wouldn't be Shafted and have costs be driven up if net neutrality guidelines changed But now they're saying but we still believe in the open internet guidelines that we're gonna support wait a minute Hold on you mean Everything could be a little bit more complicated than just putting things in a super hashtag woke Twitter No, not these days Facebook published a list of seven hard questions speaking of complicated Regarding what should be allowed on a social network and seeking the audience's feedback at hard questions at fb.com They're taking your email suggestions a blog post addressing the first of the questions describes how Facebook uses AI To find and remove posts related to terrorism So this is very very fascinating the more I read about it the more I was interested in it I know that this was something that really tickled your fancy when we were going over the stories before the show But let's let's there's two things here number one That's a pretty full inbox for people just you know complaining to Facebook about things because I am sure there are plenty of Hard questions that people would like to see Facebook answer. I hope that they continue to answer ones that are Very hard for them to answer and therefore interesting for the people that use its service and not necessarily this important though it may be Kind of demonstration of how they are doing good, but to the terrorism thing They're using some really clever stuff here, right? Yeah, no They're doing some machine intelligence to find clustering and identify videos and images and essentially the point of that post Is to say we don't even involve people in a lot of this We don't wait for someone to report it. We go out proactively and and find it now granted This is the first post related to this before they've even got a lot of the questions So they just assumed okay, you're gonna want to know about terrorism. We know that that's that's a huge part of this But I do like that they're saying you know after a person dies What should happen to their online identity is social media good for democracy? How can we use data for everyone's benefit without undermining people's trust? Those are hard questions, and I like the fact that they're putting it out there I'm interested to see further answers here Yes, and I hope that everybody goes to see it and all that data becomes even clearer on exactly how to serve ads to us Free roaming between all 28 current EU member states went into effect Thursday Some limits apply for inexpensive plans or unlimited plans, but most customers will see no difference from using their home plans Yeah, the big dream is alive as long as you're within the 28 countries someday soon to be 27 countries But yeah, this is what we've had within the United States for a long time not mandated by law It just kind of happened. Do you do remember when you used to roam? I remember being in New Mexico and realizing. Oh, I'm roaming and this was voice days not even day to day Yeah, you know I but that was always one of those Like oh, I guess I was always in some weird place I was never like in oh, I live in Miami and now I went to Charlotte and it's like oh, I'm roaming now in Charlotte It was oh, oh, I'm going camping and now I'm on some weird roaming network Yeah, it was it was it was in very you know usually the Mountain States is where I would run into it because you Need a different kind of company to cover sparsely populated area. I'm and I were running shine in This and Justin you don't get coverage in Harlan without Roman Texas woman who was raped by her uber driver in India has filed a lawsuit against not only uber but also Travis Kalanick himself and two former uber executives for intrusion into private affairs public disclosure of private facts and defamation she alleges that Eric Alexander Former uber executive convinced his fellow executives that her 2014 rape account might have been part of a conspiracy By a rival ride hailing company likely they met Ola Alexander is accused of obtaining and discussing the woman's medical records an uber spokesman said on Thursday No one should have to go through a horrific experience like this and we're truly sorry that she's had to relive it over the last few weeks so If you haven't followed this story at the time that this was made public uber Cooperated and expressed sympathy, but what this case is saying is that behind the scenes uber executives were trying to figure out if it was a conspiracy Instead now they didn't go public with it until it was leaked And the New York Times did a story on it and now that it's been made public. She is stepping forward and suing them again I just another in The horrible week that uber has had to go through now granted That's not as horrible as what this woman had to go through and I'm not trying to belittle that but but uber Didn't need this to happen This week either and and yet It's it's past seeds that they so have sowed coming back to roost to mix them out of four Sure. Yeah, and just so again, we are very very clear. This is a horrifying Awful thing that no one should ever go through. She deserves to sue uber and I hope yeah Decides to settle with her and make and the least of her Considerations will be how bad the press has been for uber this week. We get that so yeah, so what does her? return return return Saved document print to PDF email to the world new document This is a bad week for uber PR wise in one that they would have hoped the stories would be about the new uber Right, I was speaking to people around the company to be more close to the situation who joked that this week was supposed to be uber 2.0 Unfortunately, they had to rush patch to 2.1 there's a Real problem that uber needs to begin to deal with which is The poison seed in this story is that not only was there a toxic culture Within uber when it came to running their people too hard that trickled down to how they treated their drivers but also there was an intense paranoia and I can Understand on some level where that comes when you are fighting governments and you are fighting taxi unions and you are fighting lobbies that are entrenched and you feel you have to resort to guerrilla warfare to Combat if you are going to bring your product to the people that want it. However, there was obviously a Very very troubling side effect to that and that includes technology used to evade Well within the law law enforcement where we were trying law enforcement was trying to track them when they were By their own admission breaking the law until they were forcing an issue politically And stuff like this where instead of taking this kind of claim at face value and trying to deal with it It became a no that they are out to get us whoever they are Yeah, and uber is being run by committee right now because most of these people are gone Eric Alexander and Michael the other one named in this lawsuit are neither one of them with uber anymore Travis Kalanick is on a leave of absence so this is probably going to continue to happen not not this exact case but Skeletons from the closet are going to start spilling out more often and as journalists start to poke around and look for stories and things get uncovered and the new uber Regime is is going to have to continue to deal with that 2.1 uber 2.1 will continue to deal with it Although that's not necessarily a bad thing for them because what they hope is that their reactions to stories like this are Markedly different because what uber desperately wants and what they wanted during that all-hands meeting where they have their worship CEO their founder stepped down is that the stories by Christmas are About the new uber and how this change is making a different company so they can begin to write this shit Meanwhile, Twitter has launched a scheme of things that are wholly uncontroversial Sure has launched a redesign across its apps and websites profile icons are now round Typography is more consistent and titles like in case you missed it are now bold But reply icon has changed to a conversation bubble iOS users will have web links open in Safari viewer Preserving logins and ad blocking and changes come today on all platforms Including tweet deck the Safari thing is important for iOS users as it used to open in their own Homerolled web Twitter's home world web browser, which was a pain in the ass I mean it used the Safari engine, but not the viewer I it sounds like splitting hairs, but basically when you use the engine it doesn't bring over any of the Safari settings with it Yeah When you use the viewer it does actually when I click on a link to read Dave Meltzer's newsletter And now I got to open it and another thing it remembers my password now What do you? Say it again. What do you think it is? listen Our very own Scott Johnson on Twitter said tweet deck just changed a bunch of his icons the icons are not the problem with tweet deck and Honestly, Twitter can't do this right this redesign is probably a good thing in in a normal company changing your icons to be more rounded and and doing a couple of of You know typography tweaks and and bringing your iOS app up to speed with the Android app as far as where things are settings wise should not Should not cause anyone to be angry, right? You haven't changed. They haven't changed anything significantly. Oh And also the changes are design-wise are fairly aesthetically pleasing But it just goes to show that people are hungry They are dying for Twitter to change a few things like being able to edit posts or have better harassment anti-harassment tools And so anything else that Twitter does this is like George R. R. Martin Going out to lunch and everyone going why aren't you home working on a song of ice and fire, right Twitter? No matter what they do is gonna get this response that being said An understanding that there is going to be a lot of Sturman drawing around Twitter. I Have a hard time thinking that The team that was redesigning for better readability and cross-platform Uniformity was the same that would work on an edit tweets button. No or a a better suite of harassment tools Uh, this this seems like doing this didn't take any time from the others What kind of what you're saying and and also it just kind of reinforces what has become the meme that Instagram is where you tell people that you're on vacation Facebook is where you tell people that you're getting married Twitter's where you tell people that the world is dead and you are just dust But I also watch professional wrestling But hey, at least the icons are rounded now Amazon's dash wand barcode scanner now has Amazon voice services built in If you didn't know that the dash wand actually preceded the dash buttons It's a UPC code scanner so that you can you can scan an item and then say yeah Reorder that item which is great if you're buying, you know boxes of cereal or something off of Amazon the wand Will cost you 20 bucks only available in the US right now for Amazon Prime members, but You get 20 bucks in credit So it ends up being free as long as you use your $20 in credit. You can't use it on digital items There's some restrictions on it But if you're shopping enough to make use of the wand You're likely gonna be able to find $20 worth of stuff to get your money back And you also get 90 days free Amazon fresh grocery service Which again goes with that UPC code scanning if you're wanting to buy a bunch of groceries You might want to try Amazon fresh grocery service We we talk about Amazon voice services going into everything it certainly makes sense for Amazon to put it in its own products more often Certainly so an Amazon fresh is something that I use all the time It is I think a very very good service and as a fairly reliable track record in terms of delivery This is a great product in my opinion, you know, I think it's it's a way for You I mean a lot of people use those dash buttons Because they just want to leave it in the drawer that has the toilet paper So by the time they see the button they hit the button more toilet paper arrives, right? This is that as a Swiss army knife for Literally anything else that you have but if it's if you're out of fruit now with the Amazon voice services You can add, you know, whatever you would normally buy to your to your list Otherwise if it's got a UPC code, you can go ahead and scan it This is you know Amazon wants to get more and more into the perishable food business And this is a great way for them to continue to do it and they want to make it easier and easier for you to buy things from them without having to think about it an AI from Microsoft's owned Maluba has achieved a perfect score of 999 99990 In Atari 2600s Miss Pac-Man the team used reinforcement learning Using more than 150 AI agents working in parallel to master the game a senior manager Agent took all the suggestions and decided how to move Miss Pac-Man the demonstration It can that it demonstrates that this can perform complex complex tasks though the trick will be To translate that into useful real-world tasks if I were playing Miss Pac-Man with my reading of that story I would have gotten eaten by three Yes, so this is one of those things that's Difficult to achieve probably more difficult than you think It's not just that they taught it to play Miss Pac-Man Miss Pac-Man is actually quite different difficult game to master and that's the key here It's easy to play hard to master and they mastered it They got a perfect score in Miss Pac-Man by doing this reinforcement learning, which is one of the new trends in machine learning And being able to combine agents One of the things they describe was even it wasn't just most agents are saying go right because that's where the pellet is The senior manager agent would be able to tell when the majority of agents might be wrong So if a bunch of agents are saying go right that's where the pellet is and three agents are going ah But to the right is a ghost that's going to eat you the senior manager would have enough wherewithal to say Oh, well, I'm going left then I don't care that most of you are saying go and write because you don't know what you're talking about So it's it's a more complex thing than I think it probably sounds and On the other end it's like oh great Well, if you can teach it to do something really complex like that, it should be able to have lots of real-world Ability, you know real-world applications and the fact is teaching AI's to play games has been more successful than porting that ability over to practical benefits if all I want I want and AI To go up against Billy Mitchell the king I will add that Miss Pac-Man differs from the original Pac-Man in that the The patterns of the ghosts the way they come after you is completely randomized in the original Pac-Man you could Atari 2600 or arcade or does it make a difference? I don't remember if the 2600 they use the 2600 for this That was the big difference was that the the pack the the ghosts would come at you at random patterns While with the Pac-Man you could memorize each field and say oh if I go this way they'll always be on this side Which makes it even more impressive because it's not just memorizing the the the game field the pattern. Yeah, yeah Good to know Stack Overflow's 2017 developer survey has a lot of very useful things in it But it also notes the developers who use spaces instead of tabs earn about 13,000 pounds more per year. That's about 16 thousand dollars US Survey covered close to 26,000 developers 40.7% of developers use tabs while 41.8% use spaces and Make more money that means by the way if you've done the math 17.5% refused to pick a side and actually use both This is obviously a tremendously controversial and a CERBIC Argument in the developer community one that has raged for years and years and years and years and got a mainstream Moment in the Sun on this season of Silicon Valley Yeah, if you don't understand the tabs versus spaces thing you watch that episode of Silicon Yeah, that does a pretty good job of explaining. Hey, not only what they are talking about but also exactly how angry people get when Discussing something like this But that is kind of fascinating. I wonder whether or not it's just company culture at bigger companies I don't know I'm also distracted because p-squared in our live chat room at diamondclub.tv just said What if I map the tab key to insert time spaces? Which is just gonna set off a whole rat hole here But yeah, I I don't know if it if it's a company culture thing or a personal culture thing I mean, I imagine certain company cultures will have Lead developers who mandate like you you're doing you're doing spaces or you're off my team, right? I wouldn't be surprised That's what I would assume because to bump it up by that far on average It would seem like you would have to come from somewhere that there are Uh cadre of zealots that are are mandating this and therefore pushing that number Up over the top I mean, but in the annals of gif versus jiff Or or uh vim as your text, you know, what's your favorite text editor? this this is one of the longest running battles and I generally look at these and I say, you know what it really is personal preference This is just this is why humans try the lies Because we look at these things that really don't have an a very obvious difference And we pick a side and we stick to it and we defend it So most of the time I look at these and I say, you know what? Have your fun debating it, but it really doesn't matter Yeah, in this case those spaces spaces. Come on. It's spaces. You use spaces Yeah, that's very very nice. It's a very nice way to make these broke tabs tabs What are you gonna use the the break key next all right to get all the tech headlines each day at about five minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines.com. You don't use backspace, do you? And let's look at our top stories Hey Bloomberg sources say amazon has made inquiries into acquiring slack the business oriented chat and collaboration client In case you didn't know about slack slack can be valued at up to nine billion dollars according to Bloomberg sources It was last valued at three point eight billion dollars during a round of funding last year Slack has five million daily active users 1.5 million who pay for the service and would fit in amazon's enterprise offerings like chime It's video conferencing service. In fact, rich straffolino Who helps write daily tech headlines? And occasionally appears on this show Wrote that in our slack in our slack that the amazon buying slack rumors are interesting because it would fit Into not only chime which they got in february But they've acquired some business focused chat and ai assets last year like angel.ai They could pivot either s3 or amazon drive into something with more of a business front end I'll allow what box just did and offer an interesting productivity stack or This is the part that really got me up. Maybe some kind of prime subscription for business based around that You can have an amazon business account instead of amazon personal account And what if you had prime for business that gave you access to a bunch of these tools? Yeah, uh, this is a very very very interesting story to me Mainly because I think amazon and slack are both very smart companies that I think would work well together if you look at amazon's acquisition record they seem to be the kind of model company that you want to get acquired by uh, and and They are there for your uh, you know, thanks to aws They can power a lot of stuff very cheaply and they seem to let these companies just sort of do what they were doing before With maybe a little bit more of an aggressive mindset toward growth But since amazon is so profitable in so many different ways. It's not like Getting acquired by facebook, which has done very very good at preserving the brands That they have acquired as separate entities, but you've already begun to see Pangea sort of come together when it comes to sharing Add uh stuff and privacy has been eroded in in platforms like Instagram and and and stuff like that where facebook facebook is like the food court Where you find out that these seven different restaurants are all coming out of one kitchen Yeah Meanwhile, you know, uh amazon has done Seemingly pretty well by audible and twitch and Slack would be very very interesting now it reads. Yeah reads Here's what I find Very very interesting is where is slack going from now? For the next five years because they are an enterprise company. They are something that More and more people will use and the more that they become uh tied into businesses Which do not like change And and uh tend to lock in to a business solution for not years but often decades This is a company that very much could be worth a lot of money going forward and for amazon To use it to build Their enterprise suite. I think is kind of fascinating Yeah, amazon's largest acquisition to date was twitch, which they bought for 970 million call it a billion Uh at a 10 billion dollar valuation. So Slack would likely not be larger than that But it would be close to it if we're talking a nine billion valuation The other thing about slack and fits in with what you're saying is slack Has a fast approaching ceiling. Oh, maybe it's not that fast, but You know what slack has been wanting to do is Sell enterprise versions to larger companies. So, uh, uh, IBM They've got they've got a version that can have tens of thousands of users for IBM That's their growth opportunity But at a certain point they're going to run into people saying well, I'd love slack I prefer slack But you don't give me anything else when I buy slack Uh, I I go to microsoft and I'm gonna get azure and I'm gonna get cloud services I'm gonna get office and I'm gonna get microsoft teams and granted And I you know in the meeting, right? I love slack way more than teams, but sorry guys I got to go with this so slack may benefit from amazon If amazon can say hey, we've got aws and chime and we've got we've got this whole suite of services And in fact amazon needs that too if they want to compete with microsoft and google and others And that's what I find So fascinating about slack and for all that it deservedly gets as being this Very twi hipster san francisco silicon valley little toy that people like to play with It is a breath of fresh air in what is a very stagnant and commoditized enterprise Sweet of stuff. I mean post microsoft Really kind of Changing the game with their suite of you know word and excel and stuff like that Everything past there for 30 years has been about making that stuff cheaper and uh more Available the entire business model for google Was to take the the the suite of productivity apps that microsoft had made an entire career on And to chip away at it bit by bit by making those products free now You have something that is Markedly different that is uh unique that is Being adopted by people because it actually makes their lives easier and I think you're absolutely 100 right tom This is Going to be the the play that that slack has to see coming down the road is that they are never going To be able the the the future for them will always be more As the lead dog in a productivity suite that you try to sell businesses on as opposed to an a la carte offering that again, although it definitely has it's uh It's followers and debautees In terms of uh of how well it works the people that are buying these the buyers for these major companies Are just going to want more bang for their buck and uh You know if you look at where slack is now slack has five million daily active users 1.5 of them Pay for that service the average that I found was about $10 a user on average is what that You know per user is so at 1.5 million. It's not an insignificant chunk of change Definitely not and uh my apologies for the brief absence there if you're watching the video AC guy came early All right, let's uh finish up with some messages of the day Scott was asking on yesterday's show how uber and lift drivers felt about driving around passengers with criminal records In regards to those with drunk driving convictions as mentioned in the news story about the judge from ohio This is actually nothing new ride share drivers get a lot of businesses from those with duis Are those who're trying to avoid them? These riders are actually some of our best fares since they realize that even with crazy surge multipliers The cost of an uber or lift is a fraction of the financial impact from a dui conviction Drivers are not notified that a passenger has a dui by the way This information has always been volunteered as part of the conversation Passengers actually are not subject to any sort of screening processes at all A five-year-old with a manslaughter charge could get an uber account This is a source of some contention among drivers who feel that uber and lift are not doing enough to ensure their safety Everyone advocates for ways to make sure that your uber driver isn't a rapist or serial killer But not the other way around Drivers are largely on their own in cases of assault with the corporate office getting involved only to issue statements to media organizations By the time the rating system catches up with an offending passenger They've likely received multiple reports from multiple drivers in extreme cases. They may have their accounts suspended But it's easy enough to create another one in short as a driver I would definitely like to know if my passenger had some history of violent behavior as things currently stand We're left to rely on dash cameras and pepper spray to protect ourselves in the case the worst happens Sakane right who does our your private driver column wrote that? Yeah, that's Listen, it's a real problem and it's a problem of of the digital age that we need to continue to be better and better about but uh If anything You're going to look at at those issues and say well There is it's only because this has become so prevalent that we have Issues like this and and you know I think that there can be something better done in terms of like if you get to you get like multiple Uh, you know excoriating ratings or or reviews or there should be some kind of panic button that That drivers can hit or something. I don't think people think about that often enough Like you say, I mean, and it's not bad. I don't think Sakane saying it's bad to focus on passenger safety But you need somebody focusing on driver safety too You want me to take this next one here? Yeah, uh, sure. We we actually talked about uh a judge Advocate and this is what Sakane was responding to a judge advocating that uh drunk drivers people convicted of drunk driving Should have to install uber or lift and and set up an account. It's judge mike chicken netty Uh, and yeah, read this first email because it's somebody who knows mike Well, look at this strange to hear something unfamiliar with on the show judge might Uh, is it chicken? It's chicken netty. Yeah You know, so he he phonetically spells it c i c k a I checked I checked it online with a youtube story about it All right. Well, there we go chicken netty is a family friend And he's been in the news for years with unusual sentencing options where we live a taxi can't be flagged down It's more like making an appointment. I almost always call the day before so when the bars close a quick press On their smartphones would probably be easier than calling a cab Lest you worry mike offered some of the option of 30 days in jail Or walking 30 miles because they didn't pay a taxi driver. So he's not anti-taxi either that comes from analyst chris I can't believe that I didn't actually run into this guy's name before remember it because apparently he makes the news All the time with these kinds of decisions In fact vaughn from not quite cleveland but close enough said on wednesday's episode You mentioned a story about judge chicken netty or ordering some defendants to download uber lift as creative sentences go This is actually rather tame as someone who has grown up in his jurisdiction I've watched with amusement as various sentences of his have gone viral across the country one thing to note about his creative sentences However, as they are always voluntary as in you can choose to serve the normal sentence for the crime Or you can agree to a reduction in the sentence for in exchange for agreeing to one of his creative sentences Because of his antics he has a wikipedia page that lists many of his unique sentences Some of them are very unusual But always in some way are tied to the crime that was committed One of my favorites was when he ordered some teens who flattened all the school's bus tires To host and run a picnic for an elementary class that had their field trip canceled due to the vandalism Oh Oh, look at that. Say yeah, but not all heroes wear capes. That's right. Some of them wear robes Uh, thank you everybody for writing in about that. We got a few other emails about judge chicken netty He is a he's a folk hero to some it seems like and thank you. Justin robber young for joining us. Uh, what else is going on? Well, you know, uh, we are in the building building building phases of our Action news Kickstarter the brand new card game from the folks who brought you the contender much more on that in the coming weeks Uh, but you can go ahead and check me out every single morning on twitch.tv Uh slash justin are young and uh, Yeah, or more to come more in the offing keep an eye out By the way, thanks to everybody who gives a little value back to this show for the value They get from it at patreon.com slash dts. 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We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern 2030 utc at alphageek radio.com and diamond club.tv We're at facebook.com slash daily tech news show and our website is daily tech news show.com back tomorrow with megan moroney Talk to you then Who is part of the frog pants network? Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this program Oh, thank you Justin Ill a buster, huh? Well done. Boy all of that. Uh, all that twitch stream and paid off right there. Is that the uh, The the ac guy. Yeah, he showed up early, which is great No, it's not So when you when come on we're trying to assure um titles Yes, what are we gonna call it a horrible no good very bad week for uber Maybe miss pacman become sentient amazon picking up the slack Amazon picking up the slacks pretty good Keeping tabs on spaces amazon is sweetening like suite In the deal You bur And the toilet paper arrives 999,090 990 That's the perfect score. That's the pacman miss pacman score the king of kong Some heroes wear robes Some heroes wear robes is pretty good too. What do you like, uh, justin by the way billy mitchell, uh, a another Uh resident of broward county my my home uh area Uh, I used to go to ricky's wings his family's wing establishment is featured in the king of kong Uh quite a bit when I was a boy I would I would love to see him go down against an ai as he is a legendary wiener penis He's a what? A legendary wiener penis in in his uh in my hometown He is he is rude to servers. He's hilariously arrogant He expects everybody on earth to know exactly who he is and that was his reputation before The movie came out. Oh wow Does he flick his hair back when he's like Uh, I I kind of like amazon picking up the slack question mark I just i'm i'm i'm good with with more like i'm just glad we're working in some new companies in so we can Just start wearing out these puns as well. Yeah, right? Like slack Taking the wind out of sails this judge a no chicken chicken at ease nuggets of justice Nugs everybody's got to get in nugs these days Uh The twi hipster silicon valley toy The ac guy amazon picking up the slack. I like that For the record, you're going to be able to hear my slack go off during the show Hey, see that's just it's a nat sound good that sound so amazon picking up the slack. Yeah Yeah, you sure you don't want if if a five-year-old is a manslaughter or maybe I'm pretty sure I know what that. Yeah. Thank you Thank you for checking All right That's breakfast sausages and bread don't cut it You got to eat before the show no, that's what I eat before the show Oh, you ate that just right before the show. No, like Right after we were done talking to um, steve, you know, it was like around 11 So I had a breakfast sausage wrapped around one of dave's a slice of dave's killer bread You've totally convinced me on dave's killer bread. Are you right? It's like generally I don't like like bread because it's they're like that store brought stuff because it's so bland and tasteless Shane says this sounds like my grandparents talking what Oh, I didn't eat enough. When did you last eat? Have you seen the doctor? My lumbago is acting up I09 has a piece imploring women That despite their fandom for Wonder Woman, please Remember that putting a sword down the back of your ball gown is is For for movie professionals and amazons only It is not safe. Yeah, not a real sword. Anyway, please do not put real swords down the back of your ball gown. I mean That's fair, right Yeah, she she makes it look so easy It's like she's tried it a thousand times before Although to be fair the top commenter has a really good point that as long as you're not drawing your sword Which you probably shouldn't at a party anyway. Mm-hmm, you know build the sheath in there, too You should be totally fine. Yeah, but doesn't that kind of threatening? I mean people will notice it Hey, listen, uh I was gonna say something but it's only gonna start a thing Oh, all right. No that the punchline was a good guy with a sword Billy Mitchell Billy Hey, let's talk about something another thing that's totally uncontroversial. What do y'all think about the new patreon logo? Oh, so what's the controversy there? Yeah, somebody from somebody from the outline contacted me to ask me if I thought it would affect my pledges And I said no I don't So the logo is weird. It's I'm okay a circle and it's kind of a Mondrian thing Yeah, when you squint it looks like a like a like a pee sure um You know, I don't know people get really worked up about it. It's almost like the twitter thing, right? Like you change something and people are Because I mean I was looking at i'm like is there some hidden thing that i'm not seeing that's making people angry. Is it just that it changed? Yeah, I A patreon was well overdue for for a a big boy redesign because they had pretty much had the exact same design since it launched when it was a uh, you know a far smaller company than it is now But to be honest man They could make that website look Hella uglier and I would give a little care as as long as it continued to pay my rent So, I mean just because it's a line in a circle Yeah, and so you got a lot of armchair designers, uh, you know making better versions load and fair enough really they're just making illusions to pong so it's Yeah, it's not my favorite. I don't think it's where I would have gone. Uh, it it But whatever man patreon and also their lead That's just their logo that shows up in like the favacons and everything. Yeah the dominant Uh a representation in the top left hand corner is just patreon in a nice font with a line next to it So, you know whatever this might be also be a good time to Uh To remind everybody that uh, my patreon patreon.com slash j u r y Just went over a thousand dollars a week. Hey, congratulations Uh a goal. I did not think I would ever clear so Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's awesome, man. Congratulations. That's that's great. So what do you did you have a, um A goal at that Marth or yeah, and and it's a goal that I've been meaning to clarify and change that I didn't Hit it. So, uh, I'm gonna have to figure out exactly how I'm gonna do this but I and I'm definitely gonna have to change the goal for 2000 because that That may or may not happen Well, technically it's kind of already happening. Anywho, um I uh I said that I will do four in your house shows A year Which uh, would be me doing house shows and coming into people's living rooms and uh thousand really? At a thousand. Okay I I I'm gonna have to massage that a little like I think that there's gonna be more shows not necessarily in your house shows and uh I think two trips that result in a couple shows because I don't think I can afford to do four Like you didn't do the cost the cost analysis Four trips a year seems a little expensive. Maybe they could be in your own house Yeah, I mean I'm I'm all for I think that the spirit of the of the level is just more places where people can see me live Yeah, right Jerry and brett roundseville's house Hey, what? Or should do the house of blues check the house Then you can maybe Uh, get some free wings or grubs Actually, how's that how's that not not to go back to uh billy mitral But how how's his family like their food is is it good? I love it I mean I to this day love love love chicken wings and the first time that I remember Loving chicken wings was going to rickies wings in hollywood florida Good to know Probably will never visit I remember to think it might have been closed Too successful or It was yeah, no rickies wings Still right there in downtown hollywood Both barn grills since 1955 known for its chicken wings well folks We're gonna end it there. Thanks everybody for watching listening hanging out good to talk to you. We'll see you tomorrow adios