 Okay Well, we'll go ahead and call the January 4th 2024 Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order. Can we have the roll, please? Chairman Lane here Commissioner Sibley Commissioner Fenster Commissioner Norton Commissioner Barnhart Council Representative Pack Thank you Okay, thank you First order of business is the approval of the December 7th minutes Do any commissioners have any comments or corrections on the minutes? If not, I'll entertain a motion I have a motion to approve the minutes from Commissioner Fenster And a second by Commissioner Sibley all those in favor, please say aye Opposed none. Okay minutes are approved Let's see report from the chair I guess welcome our new council representative mayor Peck The only other thing I have to make a comment about would be Since our last meeting we did have the zero Ordinance zero reading of the demolition and revision Ordinance I attended that council session along with Commissioner Barnhart Glenn gave a presentation that I think was well received by council and I think the second reading We can get into this in staff report, but the second reading will be coming up here. I think this month, right? Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes first reading right. Yeah, thank you That was the zero Okay communications from our HPC's the staff liaison Which in this particular case will be planning director Glenn Sorry, I'm not Jennifer. I try to be So I'll do my best just a couple of updates You're familiar with the appeal the applicant wasn't able to make it. I forget what date that was originally scheduled for So it's now been rescheduled to February 13th and as chairman Lane said the HPC amendments are on first reading This Tuesday so the ninth and second reading if that goes well will be on the 23rd. So Yes, we'll get through in January. Hopefully with those amendments. That's all I have mr. Chair Okay, do any of the commissioners have questions for staff? Commissioner Barnhart Okay Glenn I know that we communicated before the New Year. I just curious now Whether or not any progress has been made in the discussion with parks department about the Kanamoto Tower of Compassion and the reason I ask is Just not other than the fact that I was interested in this before is that Lamont Symphony has decided as part of their gala event this year in May They're going to honor the Kanamoto family And the Kanamoto's have accepted in fact they're buying three tables for the gala on May 18th Which also is historic preservation month And I know the timing is tough to get all this done with everybody But I just was wondering what what can be done to start whether it's something you need to do Whether it's something City Council needs to first ask you to do or just how we're going to move forward on this Because time is kind of not of the essence, but it would be nice if it could be done Yeah, yeah, well, I realized things slip up up catch up with you really quick So I'm glad you brought that up. I'll I'll double check with Jennifer. I don't know if we've I Mean just following the pattern like we did with the silo We went to Parks and Rec and just gave them kind of an update that was generated from a citizen So we'll just do the same thing, but then it we go to council and we basically ask Can we proceed as representative of the landowner the council is? So they give us the okay then then we're kind of off and running and then we come back to you with an ordinance You make a recommendation goes back to City Council so Potentially it could be done by May I guess I'm trying to figure out what chicken and a and we're in a chicken and an egg situation or You know, is this something? That you have to go to parks first before you go to council or does council say go ahead and talk to parks and see what they Think I mean, yeah, I don't think we need an okay. It's just kind of Let them know what's happening. I don't know that we have to get them to agree to it So I don't think that's gonna hold us up, but that's your concern. Well, I'm just thinking of what happened with it with the historic Eastside neighborhood Association that mayor You're here, but you can speak for yourself, but the mayor Specifically did took the asset the council take the action which then started off the process So I'm just wondering if that's what we need to ask the council to do Since we've already voted to support it You know that we've done our share Right, yeah, we just have to get council to say yes go forward with it Yeah, we actually I think you made that motion last meeting, right? Right, so it's a it's been moved and voted on from us that that that we that we direct or ask staff to to keep this moving to take it to council and ask for direction in terms of Can we move forward with with a? Landmark Just a clarification For your request for May are we asking for a local landmark or the state and national register listing that we've asked to go to the state? because I Could provide some details. I don't know if the state register would be done by May but Because the the next meeting is actually January 19th, and we don't have that on the agenda I think for ship. Oh, right. Yeah Well, I think that the answer is that the that the process that we've asked for is the local landmark designation, right? because that is something that and so we had Carl McWilliams here last session and and He's aware of He's obviously very aware of the process up with the state and national right and so even he Mentioned that it would probably not be possible to get there all the applications prepared for The state and national level in this time window that we have okay for that this early meeting So I think our focus in the immediate time frame is to ask council Can we take get get this local landmark process moving and then as that goes? It I guess it would be presuming that the council says yes, then we could ask McWilliams to move forward with their bigger picture Or we could make a part of you know, you know the presentation and asked to council can we you know? The various levels and have them Come back and say yeah, we're fine with all of them or whatever, but get some direction. I just wanted that's perfect I just wanted clarification because I saw it was local and state and national registers that were discussed last time So I wanted to make sure I understood what your request was Commissioner Barnett Yes, and that's I would have answered that the same way that was a request and we understood that from the Presentation that the state one takes much longer It's just to clarify commissioner line the Germany that the The the council doesn't need to have very much to proceed they have our recommendation and They don't can make a decision other than to ask the staff like they did last Two or three meeting to the last meeting they asked the staff to gather the evidence or the information That they can then take on for a decision Gathering that evidence as I understand is going to parks and working with them and then getting an okay as the landowner And then pull together a actual proposal to Later on maybe February or March put before the council and then ask the council to take a decision on that so the early decision is just a decision to instruct the staff to move forward and gather the information Ultimately the HPC per the code makes a recommendation on the ordinance So are you saying we could just go to council and be done with it? Is that is that? What you're describing So we're talking about the Recommendation for landmark. Yeah, okay. That has to be an ordinance. Yes, okay So before the HPC has said let's start the process, right? Okay, the next step as I understand it in a perfect world would be for the council today And stay and the staff to say Yes, not independent of the HPC based on what HPC has said for the council the staff to proceed further With whatever action needs to be taken so that council could then make a judgment Make a take a decision right you can't do that until the staff then Subsequent to the recommended to the request from the council goes to parks works with parks Develops an ordinance whether that has to I guess that you say that has to come back to HPC and then HPC acts And then the council takes a final decision Thank you guy. Have I laid that out? Yeah, all right So the first step is that council acts if it chooses to to instruct the staff to proceed Yep, and so that's how you understand it as well. Yeah, just we just need to get there I mean rather than go through all this we won't counsel to To be on board basically Yeah, the ordinance does say as the owner the owner has to or else you do the petition, right? That's that's the option if if the council says no, we don't want to do it. Then you go a petition route You guys should have this memorized Every sentence in that ordinance correct, okay Any other questions or comments for staff Okay We'll move to public invited to be heard I don't have anybody on the list and I believe the our audience is a presenter for later So I'm going to assume that we have no public comment and we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and Move on to item 7 which is our annual business I'm going to group a couple of these Later on but we'll start with So every every January meeting we re-elect our positions and go through a number of Sort of housekeeping Components here for the year so first is election of the chair Do I have a motion? I have a motion on the floor to nominate Chairman Lane as the as the chair for 24 By Commissioner Norden second by Commissioner Fenster all those in favor thought about abstaining for a second Thank you Happy to continue Election of vice chair. We do need a new vice chair our vice chair in the past has been Commissioner Gaiu and so with that if there's anyone that would like to Volunteer otherwise I have a motion in mind Okay, I'm going to move that Commissioner Norden be nominated as our vice chair for 24 Okay, we have a motion on the floor for Commissioner Norden Motion by Chairman Lane seconded by Commissioner Fenster For vice chair all those in favor Say hi any opposed None Now we have a new vice chair Okay Approval of meeting dates and times so in the staff report we do have a couple of conflicts with our sort of typical schedule The first would be Essentially Removing February 10th as a meeting date Because we I'm sorry, but it's February 4th as the yeah, thank you. I wrote that down wrong in my notes February Is it the first? Yeah, it would be the first So removing the February 1st basically not having a meeting in February February 1st is the is a Saving places conference. We have a HPC retreat on the 10th so Essentially not having a meeting in February the other Conflicts are really well, I can tell you that the June 6th meeting if we have it on the 6th I won't be here. So the vice chair will actually need to delete a meeting June 6th July 11th Let's see. So our normal meeting would be on July 4th. Obviously that doesn't work So July 11th would be the sensible place for that to go And there was a note in the staff report about September 5th being the week of Labor Day weekend, but it is the Thursday after so I don't know if that's a conflict for anyone else So any any You know If there's no further comment, so I would move that that our schedule Essentially involved deleting the February meeting Moving the July meeting to the 11th and really other than that it would remain the same Okay, so Motion from Chairman Lane seconded by Commissioner Barnard. Is there any discussion any further comment on that? No, okay? All right, all those in favor? So I opposed none I'm gonna group D and E together It's the approval of meeting location and agenda posting locations or meeting location is here and Our agenda posting locations have not changed online Are they posted physically anywhere? I believe three places around Okay, so you all yes, please Okay, I have a motion to approve our Meeting location and agenda posting locations as unchanged by Commissioner Barnard seconded by Commissioner Norton all those in favor Any opposed none that motion carries and then finally approval of the bylaws We've been three is a couple times actually over the course of this year Do any commissioners have any comment or question on the bylaws? Mr. Fenster we had at least one session where we rather thoroughly scrub them That's my recollection. I didn't go back and look but so At this at this time. I don't see anything that needs change Move to approve. Okay The bylaws as written in the staff report have been moved for approval by Commissioner Fenster Seconded by Commissioner Sibley. Yep, so let's have some discussion Hold on get your mic friendly amendment that the date on the bottom should be the fourth day of January not the second day of February It should be 2024 Commissioner Fenster you do you accept that I do and Commissioner Sibley do you accept second that I think it was just carried over from the previous year Yes, good catch any further discussion Okay motion to approve the bylaws as written and amended Noted for the date changes all those in favor aye opposed none. Those are approved Thank you Okay, that's the the end of that housekeeping stuff There is there are no items on our agenda for a public hearing And so now we move to new business Which is an update on the Calan house This Hastings Welcome and thank you for coming down here. Great. Well again. Thank you for having me. My name is Brittany Hastings I'm the Calahan house manager And I'm here to kind of give you a little overview about the restoration and preservation work that was done at Calahan house this year So little overview about what I'm here to chat about is the history Colorado State Historic Fund Which I'm sure you're probably familiar with given your line of work as well a little bit of a summary about our process going through that grant and the projects that were completed using that fund Cost summary and then some details and some photos for you about the restoration and preservation that we've done this year So the history Colorado State Historical Fund is funded by casino gaming tax revenue annually collected by the state of Colorado and Those funds are distributed to historic preservation projects through competitive grant process, which we underwent and funds can go to projects including preservation planning restoration and construction work which pertains to what was done at Calahan house this year and also educational expenses and things like that Eligibility to receive a grant from the fund is Designated historic landmark which Calahan house of course falls under Or considered contributing in designated historic district or eligible for listing But again, we are as you know designated historic landmark and that can be on a local state or national level and This is given to public entities such as county or in our case city government or nonprofit organizations Applicants or owners must commit a cash match based on the percentage of the project costs Which the city of Longmont did do on our behalf and that was the 25 percent cash match as a government organization and Then 50 percent would be for a profit-based organization or a non-government entity So the grant summary in August of 2021 Calahan house advisory board and staff Members of council and and other city staff were also helpful in the process in applying for the grant Which was awarded to us in December of 2021 and we had then had two years to complete the projects which were Officially all completed in early December of 2023. So came in just under the radar in the two-year project window there The original grant amount Funded by the state historic fund was $180,000 and then a 25% cash match coming from the city From CIP funds in the amount of $60,000 for a total of $240,000 towards the projects So three central projects were part of the scope of the work And I'll give you kind of a brief overview here and then we'll go through some details and a few photographs for you here in a moment, but The preservation of the ornate leaded glass windows. So all exterior windows at Calahan house that have leaded or beveled or stained glass were restored including creation and an installation of Storm windows for each of those windows. So a protective layer in efforts obviously towards preservation for those Initially was going to be a type of glazing But then they deemed that the storm windows would be the best way to protect the exquisite windows at Calahan house third part I'm sorry second part of the project was the historic concrete driveways that were Installed at Calahan house, but in the 1904 to 1908 era Where the Calahans, you know made a lot of upgrades and expanded the property in the house And those actually have original drainage schematics designed by TM Calahan So those were in need of quite a bit of repair and we were able to do that as part of the scope of this project The third aspect and probably the one that is most noticeable for for the public Aesthetically is the exterior woodwork restoration and repainting so they did a historic paint analysis to figure out what the colors were of Calahan house in the early 1900s during the night around 1906 to 1904 to 1908 era and Figured out what the colors were at that time and we were able to restore the house to To its heyday with those colors, which is really cool to see on the outside and then also lead paint remediation, which is not surprising for a project like this, but Certainly a key factor in getting that restored as well cost summary for the project As I mentioned the the fund and with the cash match from the city budgeted was $240,000 for the project upon completion it came in at just over 208,000 so always good to see things come in under budget of course $32,000 under budget almost So the city was able to get about 8,000 of that back and use a thousand of that for some gutter repair that was also needed Restoration project that was needed and was able to become part of the scope of this project and you can kind of see here a Little bit of a breakdown about what was spent to wear part of the window project was the very iconic Rounded glass in the library, which is also beveled and leaded glass and that was a pretty specific part of the project $5,000 going towards that 18 for the says here protective glazing, but that ended up being the storm windows 7,000 for the paint analysis and then the large chunk 126,000 for the woodwork and restoration on the exterior And then 50 for the driveway Here's a few detailed images for you about the window preservation pictured here on the right is the lead Library window that I had mentioned which I said is a really iconic part of Callahan house with the round of glass This is what face out to the south garden and the fountain and whatnot And on the left here is a previous shot of the library window So it was covered in plexiglass Which had really yellowed over time and it was not very appealing to look at was protective enough But not great to look at so the plexiglass was removed and the storm windows were created for every window that has the leaded glass And those were installed and so you can see Here in this image the darker green there is the storm window and then The wood framing for the window was restored and and painted to match the rest of the exterior as well Additionally on the library window the panes here were bowing out and we're in major need of restoration those were in pretty bad shape and Luckily that was a big a big chunk of the project was to get those back in in good condition And so these images here are what the windows look like now with the storm windows So crystal clear beautiful to see in and out and we get these kind of lovely prisons in the afternoon that come through as well So very happy to see that and just to see those those windows kind of Restored to their original glory there And The driveway restoration so on the left you can see the state that Many parts of the driveway were in Previous to the restoration. There was a lot of failed concrete and damage a lot of water running underneath the concrete in the rain or when irrigation was used so that was in need of restoration the slower image here this entire slab was was redone and the concrete sorry the company that we used Empire who does historic restoration was able to Maintain the original Aesthetics of that which was really great and then this image on the right here You can see here. This is a report section and this is an original section here So they did a really good job matching the original drainage schematics and the original aesthetics there And then the final piece was the exterior woodwork and the repainting so this is the original you can see a lot of damage and the original woodwork and these were the the previous colors and Paint peeling and and whatnot. So This is Callahan house now These are the original colors like I mentioned from the 1906 era early 1900s era And the woodwork has all been restored and and lead paint removed and it's really beautiful So if you haven't had a chance to come by and see I encourage you to do that And In terms of the public coming to view we so most of this project was the work on this project was completed in August of this year and Callahan was closed to public events for for all of August to get that work completed The only outlier was the library window that I mentioned so you can see that here We just got that reinstalled on December 4th, and we had a Open house holiday open house scheduled for December 7th so a big shout out to Scott Yoho and the marketing team for getting us The I had drafted a news release several months ago in hopes that we would be sending it out before the art walk Open house at early September, but of course things got delayed as will happen with these projects. So So yeah, we got the news released out very quickly Just a couple days before the open house and it was picked up by the Longmont Times call the Longmont leader in the boulder daily Camera, and we had over 400 people come for the holiday open house Which is as I'm told one of our biggest ever so that was great People were really excited to come check out the finished project and then we also hosted an additional couple of Open houses on December 13th and December 20th this last year. So a Little bit of a visitation summary for you of Callahan house since we have finished out 2023 We saw three thousand six hundred and four visitors in 2023 which comes in just under the mark of 2022 But keeping in mind that we were closed for August. We probably would have had another four to five hundred visitors that month And nine hundred and thirty nine of those visitors came just in December So about a quarter of our visitation in 2023 happened in December, which is when all the grant work was completed So we like to see that everybody's seeing the house under those conditions Yeah Thank you so much for hosting me and maybe has any questions, but we're also happy to have you all come to her Callahan house whenever you're able Great. Thank you very much. It's really exciting. Yeah. Thank you appreciate it Commissioners any questions or Commissioner Barnett do Well, sorry, I'm sorry. I miss her that okay Go ahead and do that again Yep Commissioner Fenster. Do you have a? A protocol for advertising in other words We're talking about either of the two local papers Are there occasions when you advertise your hours and features, etc? Yes, we do a lot of advertising through the city, of course because we are an event venue Often that's how the city utilizes the space We do regular advertising through the city and Occasionally through the local papers in 2024 part of my Intention is to open up the house for more community programming events So I think we would advertise for those more specifically and potentially through local papers But certainly through the resources that the city has as well guided tours we I'm not sure what we have done historically about that in the past other than the third Avenue walking tours that are done through the Museum so those the beginning of those do come through Callahan house And we guide the first like 10 or 15 minutes of that And right now I'm I've been offering guided tours just on a you know On a basis if anybody reaches out and is interested then we'd be certainly Happy to show them the house and then that's in addition to our roughly quarterly open houses where? All of our board members are present and guiding folks throughout the house as well So we don't have a regular like daily tours program It's basically by appointment and then our open houses But we're always happy to have people come through if they wish to worthwhile on At least some occasions, maybe one or two a year, maybe three or four a year to advertise Guided tours that would be Overseen by an architect or an historic preservation individual I think that would be great like I mentioned we have the quarterly open houses where we Provide information about the history of the Callahan's and the house as well But I do find that people are often very interested in the architecture and those aspects which are part of it's part of the Information that we provide as staff and board, but I think it would be lovely if someone Who had you know some interesting background information about the more specifics of the architecture and the history wanted to come in And join in on those that I think that'd be lovely Thank you, thanks any I Was a little bit curious Do you know how many windows you had in that house that had to get Can think through and count on my fingers. I don't know the number off the top of my head but just about every window at Callahan house has Letted and were beveled glass or stained glass Including like the upstairs window of the auto house And and whatnot so they all anything that had let it beveled or stained glass got a storm window So yeah have to go through and count 15 or so something along those lines and that that cost also included Restoration of the window if it was in disrepair Yes, yeah of the glass Panels themselves, and then the framework and whatnot was part of the exterior woodwork restoration But both elements were part of the scope of the project Looks yeah, thank you Any other questions or comments? Thank you very much for coming down here It's exciting to see something like this happen. Yes, it is Thank you very much okay Our last item of business here tonight would be the retreat agenda, so Retreat again is scheduled for the 10th of February Glenn did you have anything in particular or is this just an open discussion? The one thing that we would like to do is bring in the consultant and talk about survey plan So that's really the only thing we have as far as a potential agenda item But we'd love to hear yeah if you'd like other things So if there's anything we need to prepare for Part of that's going to be we do have our GIS guy Basically identifying all the surveys we have in the community So you can kind of see what's been surveyed what hasn't And then we'll hopefully have an opportunity for the consultant to have looked into a little bit and have Kind of their ideas, but certainly bounce them off you and get him put on it as well Okay Great If anybody has any commissioners have something they would like to Come sure simply Sorry Okay, you turn my light on All right, well, I did what is laser. Okay, perfect Glenn the This would be my second retreat and I thought the last one was terrific Even though some people don't like the library. I thought it was great and thank you for bringing snacks The big man like me, you know the neat snacks the What I I think you did something like this last time But what I would find helpful after the time I've been on the commission now is if we had some kind of a spreadsheet Which laid out all the product all the projects that we've talked about in the last couple years and At least get some idea from the staff where where they are on it and and whether they see this is progressing during the year and And then get feedback from have a discussion feedback from the commission members on it So you can get our feedback on things we'd like to see move or things that we're okay If you don't do anything on or or whatever But I just think it would be helpful to have that and I also think it would be helpful of Every quarter or so we just kind of updated that spreadsheet Sure Yeah, well we'll go back in In the back minutes, I'm not sure that the only thing I was focused in is code amendments So I don't know what if there's other things but one thing I did think that is kind of critical that I think came up in our last Retreat was a notification to folks anybody who is Owns a landmark just to remind them that Here's the advantages. Here's what you have to do. Here's where HBC is involved so I thought about that as we adopt new Requirements for demolition that maybe we expand that to anything that meets that 50-year-old criteria Within the the original town site that we also include some kind of notification to those folks as well So that's that's one thing I think we should be on our to-do list for the next year If you do that are you going to need to run it by Counsel or someone else before you issue it I don't think so. No, it's just basically saying here's the code And that's what it says and that's what it means Okay, no that would be just our administrative thing. I'd have to upgrade our postage Unless you bought forever stamps before the 100 on the 31st The other thing that we have talked about and I've got a couple of notes here and Was you know a little bit of just encouragement right to folks letting people know that if they've got a Historic if they've got a landmark property or if they're considering Applying for landmark status that there is funding available right through the state for Work on their homes, right? So if you if you if we They could process tax that's one of the things we do is is processed, you know those applications for tax credit Right, and so I think if if folks I'm not sure everybody understands that if they do some work and it meets these requirements that they can actually apply to the state for For effectively some form of reimbursement, right, right? Which sort of helps to offset the notion that Historic present, you know owning a historic home is, you know inherently more expensive Which I think is also a narrative out there Right, and we also Locally have incentives we can waive portions of the building permit if one's required There's a number of fees we can reduce Just some Again outreach to people Right, yeah, that there are carrots out there Commissioner Barnards you have okay Okay, thank you Commissioner Fenster Yeah, have we ever given some thought to having some kind of a convocation Historic property owners Maybe with a program and Presentation I'm not familiar of if we've ever considered that That is done in some communities. I'm aware sometimes to get criticism Critiquing and sometimes to have actually formal presentations from experts Whether they're community experts or national experts I think that's a reasonable Thing to discuss during the retreat Commissioner Barnard, I mean I'm gonna get the words wrong But I know that we've talked about this from time to time We did talk about it at our last retreat some kind of a brochure or some kind of Where we looked at some of the other communities and and I don't remember exactly what it was for But it was some way of putting you know what I'm talking about Okay, I think so. Yeah, I think that would probably be in line with a mailing It not that if we'd only use it in a mailing But it would certainly help kind of describe the program and what it means remember there We looked at some other communities. I think the Lewisville one was the one that jumps out at me is We looked at plans historic preservation plans which include Lewisville I'll go back and I'll check my notes. I have notes from this and I'll pass them on to you Yeah, but I think there are other projects like that that kind of started and Just other things have gotten in the way and the retreats the retreats a good time to kind of go over all Yeah, I'll go over my notes and send them to you. Okay Yeah, and I just pulled up the just sort of packet from that retreat and and then the minutes Again, so I could remember what happened Which are very detailed And we and we had a lot of discussion about that outreach I think we ought to put that back on the agenda for this retreat and just talk about these sort of things again And I was excited to see that in the number of things that we had there in the outreach discussion summary One of them actually did get accomplished, which was the Tower of Compassion You know moving forward So so it's always nice when you look back and see at least something that got done from a list of we should do these Right, but I think we can talk some more about About that and then just refer back to some of the discussion we've had before I'm very excited that you put the Cultural resource surveys on there. I'd like to expand that Into a continuing discussion of its place in a eventually of preservation plan. I don't want to keep that's an end goal If it might be worth just having I think if Commissioner Jacobi were here I'm 100% speak for him, but I'm going to guess that he would Want us to have a discussion of our progress on the conservation overlay and where we are with that in there somewhere so Would at least be prepared for that whole boy And that's about all I had from the last time Okay, any other commissioners or Commissioner I feel like over the last couple of retreats In some of our meetings. We've brought up the idea of design guidelines, but they've never We've always needed the preservation plan. We've needed the Code updated and so they haven't risen to be a priority. I wonder if thinking about developing design guidelines is something we want to reintroduce at the retreat or Perhaps that's part of the preservation plan or that might be something we talk about in terms of the scope of the consultant I mean something that basically Puts a little bit more actionable Design elements to like the Secretary of Interior's recommendations Yeah, so that and I think you're probably you probably work more often with design guidelines than I do directly But something that gives the average citizen in these different historic districts or just in the city of Longmont Guidelines about what is appropriate to fit in with their neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah Right. Yeah, the ordinance talks about when you adopt a new district a local district Then there's the design guidelines, but overall no Ornances really speak to that but it would be very helpful When we get somebody coming before you that wants to you know remove their windows and replace them or something Right, and I think some of those preservation plans that we thought were The most successful I think included at least some elements of the guidelines if not more complete design guidelines, right? I would tend to agree. I think that's it would be a really Important part of a preservation plan, but probably hard to do Floating on its own Okay, any other items that anyone would like to throw out there for retreat agenda discussion? No, all right, so Seems like that's still enough to have a good discussion about All right Okay, well then that moves us to any further comments from HPC commissioners Like to throw out there. No, okay Any comments from our new council representative mayor pack? Yeah, I just want to thank you for Allowing me to sit in on these meetings And I'm really impressed with the passion That you have for the history of Longmont and what you put into it and that's shown by you keep reapplying so to be on this board, so you have historic knowledge I do want to ask about the retreat. What time is it usually is is it an all-day retreat? One to four one to an afternoon. Yeah, and I just realize it conflicts with council retreat. I believe Well, okay I don't know what to say about that other than Okay Thank you. Yeah, I don't know. I guess that's a question for staff if there's I don't know at this point if we can Make any adjustments to date or time. I Think we have time to do that. Yeah, I think we set the 10th and I'm pretty sure I just saw council's retreat is the 9th and 10th are Okay, I Think it at this point it's probably as long as we have it We'd want to be in February for sure Yeah, push it out any further than that because we're trying to really set the tone for the rest of the year so yeah, but I Guess if anything were to change, I mean we certainly could deal with a straw pole via email or something like that. Okay, right? It may be the same place. Yeah, I don't know where Jennifer was looking was it yeah, the museum is what we booked actually That's where it was last year if you're retreat Maria's got an update Yes, 17th Okay, we got one vote for the 17th. Oh That's president's day, right? Well, again, I guess maybe if you want to look into it and then throw out a email Okay All right, we can adjust if need be Okay Would be nice to have everyone here. So Yeah Fair enough, thank you Okay, well that takes care of everything we have on our agenda for this evening. I'll entertain a motion To adjourn motion to adjourn by Commissioner Norton and seconded by Commissioner Fenster all those in favor We are adjourned. Thank you very much for your time Thanks everybody