 Well, if y'all are willing to I don't have a lot of speaking parts So there's just like a bunch of sharing and then we can have an open discussion So I think we should just go ahead and get started. It's late in the day So, yeah, I'm Courtney mumma Fred I don't think we've actually Met other than seeing each other in emails or other presentations I'm the good thing to do. I'm the Texas Digital Library deputy deputy director and I'm also the The Virio representative from TDL, so I work with Frank Smutniak who's also here to run the service Frank is our lead developer Who has been gallantly working for the last two years on two years, right Frank? on Virio 4 I think it's more than that Maybe yeah, maybe three at this point. I lose track of time. I think yeah It was development and then the last year's been migration development, so My greatians. Yep. Exactly. That's the biggest challenge here as well and Emily So many of you have seen lots of Emily and today. She's been in the thousand sessions And Emily is our co-chair for the Virio user group series committee and Associate director of student experience at the University of Illinois at a Burnett Urbana Champagne and that session earlier was so good Emily. Thank you so much for putting that panel together. It was wonderful So here on the side you see just a few things. That's a Virio Fred, I think you might be the only one in this group who does not maybe know that Did you already know that Virio was a bird as a bird? I knew that I knew that there was a bird called a Virio So that's what they based the name on Texas A&M came up with the name and that's the Virio bird I'm guessing everyone here probably has familiarity with what Virio is Because you're all users. So Emily, I think we might skip the next Slide Since this group is rather small And let's see here, I just want to share with those stuff that will be new So this is just information about our Tdl Folks Kristie Park is the director of Tdl. She couldn't be here today. Unfortunately, but again, you've got me and Frank from Tdl And then our co-chairs are currently Emily and Billy Peterson Lugo from Baylor University the product owner for Virio is at Texas Tech in his name is Christopher Starcher and John Crosnit was also on our Virio user group and he is from University of North Yeah, UNT Health Science Center So I don't think we need to introduce Virio to y'all Because you know Virio pretty well and I just gonna check one more time and make sure there's nobody new here He needs an intro. Oh Hi John. John's joined us John also knows Virio very well So we're gonna go ahead and skip that And Just wanted to let y'all know we want to hear a little bit Well, I guess I already kind of know about how Fred and Stephanie and Emily interact with Virio Frank, did you have any questions? You wanted to ask any of these folks? You don't get an opportunity to talk to users that frequently No, nothing in particular just other than what they how long they've been using Virio and You know most of I get a lot of good feedback from the users. So that's how I I help develop it Yeah, what's the status there Stephanie at? Texas State So you can't you can't abuse that's right, but you can chat and and Fred We got caught up with you, but how close are y'all and what developers are you working with? We were so curious when you were talking earlier today. Oh, I guess Maybe in the audio breakup you couldn't hear we were using Atmire We're We're kind of in a in a Organizational like change like our digital repositories kind of merging with our archives department and along with that is coming a We need to like really upgrade our D space and there was a lot of work with that and so as that contract was being worked on we Various parties to say hey, let's roll Virio into that as well And so because we needed a Virio upgrade because we were on version 3 for for a while now and liked the idea of the new functionality the new organizational functionalities in Virio 4 and so Atmire is actually contracted to do that for us, so the developers at Virio, I suppose Frank and maybe others are hearing from Atmire folks. I'm sure that are dealing with our upgrade They haven't talked about it specifically, but they have been talking with me about migration Okay, yeah, that's really interesting Fred You might already be aware of this, but maybe not in Stephanie. I hope you don't mind me sharing but Texas State is An Atmire customer at my host their D space I don't think they host your Virio is that right y'all do that internally. No it's self You still can't hear me. So it's interesting the idea of also Here you know, okay good. I've been like clicking around on different things. I only have like four options So sorry about that. No atmire does not host for us. We host locally Okay, somebody tell me when she's done speaking and I'll be quick Oh, she said that Atmire does they host locally is what is what she said And at Georgia Tech is the same we we're going to host locally. They're just like doing The upgrades for both our D space and Virio. Oh Gotcha, that's okay interesting. So At Georgia Tech, what does your team like your tech team? Stretch really thin which is why this came about Yeah, that makes sense. I think we all know how that feels right Frank. I Hope that your team there knows Fred that they can reach out and engage With TDL it sounds like you've done some of that in the past But we'd really like to keep in touch with y'all Yeah, and I'll echo what Karen Manning said in the earlier presentation. We really appreciate the support from y'all Yeah, y'all made our day Well, you made my day. I won't speak for Frank, but it made me really happy to hear that It's been it's been a slog for us and it's hard To set yourself outside of that and hear positive feedback But very good. Thank you I want to make sure everyone here knows about our Shoes well Frank actually I'm gonna hand over to you because I'm actually having trouble hearing anybody now Everyone can hear me. Okay Okay, I'm just gonna mention that there is the annual Virio users group and That'll be October 5th It's chance for us all to get together and learn a little more and I Get you know, like I mentioned earlier Feedback is really important to me to really understand how things are being used. What's working? Data has been migrated properly. If there's things I've overlooked. I really need that feedback. So I I hope to be there and a bit of learning materials some places to get started, but I think everyone here is pretty much Familiar though, you know, I know several people did some excellent videos Showing how to use very oh and and there's also very good information on differences between very oh three and four Yeah, I think in particular that differences between very oh three and four Will be useful to folks who are going into very before because we go through every element and tell you basically where the heck it moved in Virio three so especially for those folks in graduate schools and libraries who've been using it for a while and they're used to one way It's a nice tidy table that shows you where everything is moved and it's helpful It's helpful to me as well just because I'm not that familiar with Virio three And me yes Exactly, I've never had to use it in an environment. So I really rely a lot on hearing feedback from users, too This is so this is exciting to you. So this is me again y'all. Can you hear me? I'm so worried about this. It's so weird that I couldn't understand me. You're coming through there very well Okay So I just want to share some of the specially funded projects that TDL is launching For this year and over the next two years that are going to impact Virio We are governing board determines basically what we do and we're led by our members and We have set aside money for a lot of different exciting projects The first one is we are conducting an accessibility Assessment and I wish I could have been in the West web of web of accessibility session earlier, but I couldn't but our plan is to conduct an accessibility assessment and Remediate code in all of the open soft open source software that we host including Virio and so We really have a strong commitment to compliance with accessibility guidelines and we're going to Make that happen over the next two years. So you'll see there On the slide the inner strategic plan. We've got it marked for now through 2023 and we've already started looking for Really great accessibility auditors to look at our systems and we're starting with Virio because it's the one we host The other thing we're doing is undergoing an assessment and making recommendations for Virio's long-term sustainability Our plan is to get some outside expertise again, probably a consultant So that they can give us some advice about how to better sustain the open source system itself in the community and grow it And figure out a way so that the service is used on a greater scale so that we can know who's using it And also just you know Pay for it in the future and make sure that it's always got active development Because right now, you know, we have some schools in Texas to engage with development But mostly it's Frank's money at our lead developer and Ntdl and our excellent steering committee and product owner at Texas Tech who are running the show So we'd really like to see more engagement and we need some help in figuring out the best way to make that happen Anybody have any questions about that piece? These are new funded activities Thank you, I mean Courtney now Maybe some it gives anyone else hear me other than Courtney Okay, well those of you who could then we're just gonna have a discussion. So really any questions My last slide was gonna be on how to engage and Emily was gonna talk to you about it, but I think you all know I Have a question Yeah, Courtney, can you hear Stephanie? I Cannot hear Stephanie at all and I have no idea. Hi, Stephanie. I can I can repeat your question to Courtney if you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I know I forgot what it was Oh, you forgot what it was Consultation. Oh, yes. Um, so Texas A&M is is not participating in In development anymore They haven't stopped participating in development, but right now we're not doing any further Changes to the software itself. So the pause is just Frank getting the migration Tools all ready to go Frank do you want to add to that? I think that's you said it all the migration tool is independent of the product obviously and That's There are some things that we we do need to Update on verio 4 and we will be calling on on Texas A&M to help us with that, but nothing's going on right now Yeah, no new development for a while I'm so glad I can hear you now. I can hear you now. You can Yeah, I just heard you say that's my only question What's going on I swear technology Well, I'm just happy I can hear you yeah, so We've been we've been really and I want to emphasize this for Fred and Karen too. We've been really mired in the development and You know for over the last couple of years But once the development was done and Frank's really dug into the migration one of the biggest challenges there is is like And you mentioned this at Georgia Tech too is having very your your very three up But then also having a very a four up somewhere and Working through how you're going to set that up while you're still trying to take in These season dissertations through very of three and our members are experiencing that too So we're really trying to Get it go in we want to be able to just move to supporting only very Oh for before the end of the year and Frank has made some huge strides in the last couple of months And some of that work is actually dev ops and being able to replicate the migration very quickly being able to set up a a new site quickly Setting up Shibboleth and setting up Shibboleth for all the independent different Migrate a migrated server. So there's there's a lot more to it than just strictly One database schema to another database scheme of migration. So it's a it's a collection of several tasks Yeah, so we're just kind of open open now if anybody has any questions or topics They want to talk about we wanted to make sure we could give anyone who wanted to come today new information and Especially those two efforts that we're funding There's a third effort a diversity residency that we're hiring for at Texas Digital Library Beginning next year and we're hoping that that residency is a student who works on Only digital library things and one of those would be very oh, so we're hoping that they would be able to help us maybe with development but probably more with user testing and Creating training tools and that kind of thing I have one question that came to mind you said that So you're aiming for support for very before to be all you support starting in 2022 Is that correct? Yes, and I want to be clear that that means Tdls users that we support Because we support so many open source systems we need them all to be on the same version and So we want to get everybody on barrier for it once so that we can just be supporting that but in terms of GitHub activity and active developer conversations, you know, we're not going to turn somebody away who says hey I still have very three and I have this question Which I worry that that's what it seemed like I was saying and that is not what I was saying That's what I wanted to clarify things because we're you know, we may have to slow roll our Transition to four as he carries on the call now, so she may be able to Yeah, and I can't emphasize enough. We are also slow rolling our transition to four Do you have any is anyone live from Tdl with four or Are testing instances up? And so they're not testing instances per se But Frank has instance parallel instances up basically that are not active, but that have all the current data So that basically we're waiting to get confirmations from a few schools So that we can switch them over entirely While keeping their very three instance running in parallel in the background Until they're comfortable saying turn it off You know, we don't want to just force people Especially, you know if they don't have a lot of folks, you know This is a very small percentage of their job as you know So they don't have time to get in there and do as much testing as they might like, but yeah, we're really trying Frank who do you think is going to be first any guesses? No, one of the smaller data sets some some of it shown some of the sites have shown eagerness and There's maybe two or three sites that are eager to do it I would be afraid I'd get the names wrong if I hazarded the guess right now Yeah, I think I think that probably next month I'm that's my feeling it feels to me like we're close to have at least one in production by next month There are 12 of the 13 sites that have live up-to-date data Two of those 12, there's some shibboleth issues that need to be resolved and hopefully that'll happen pretty soon And do you mean when they're up-to-date when they're getting recent submissions, I guess you're migrating them from 304 Well, it's a recent snapshot of very of three. So like within the last couple of weeks So it's a representation of what is in very of three But no one is yet actively creating new submissions and very afford yet. Okay Timing has been tricky too and I imagine Georgia Tech will have that experience or has maybe had that experience too with just the timing of When submissions need to come in and be processed and then Frank working kind of between Those times and not all institutions are the same in terms of when they're bringing in content through Virio So yeah, it's been it's been An adventure So I think at the Virio user group meeting that we're gonna do on October 5th, we're gonna go a little bit more in-depth about development Frank will have a little bit more to say so If you've got any development folks or that Meyer folks want to join that I Think that would probably be a good thing to do. We will definitely Yeah, thank you so much. I don't know if they're on our list or not. I know that they're in our They engage with us in slacken over email sometimes. Well, I don't want to keep people unnecessarily But I'm just I'm really liking to see I haven't seen Stephanie for so so long Stephanie used to well Stephanie served forever on the steering committee and was the product owner of Virio Stephanie is responsible for a lot of Virio for Bells and missiles that are really cool. I'm not responsible for the complicated parts of your Tell you what you do it it was complicated it would just not And you'll also hear Stephanie's voice if you if you watch some of our videos that are on YouTube as well That's true. I can't not shout you out Stephanie. You've done so much for this system Thanks Well, I want to wrap us up then if anybody has any burning questions left. Let me know now Emily you want to add anything? She's liking getting a break Yeah, I can't think of anything to add But thank you all for coming and it's good to see you Stephanie So good. Yeah, and I'm really glad to have met you today and I hope we can stay in touch Yes, and thank you so much for participating in that panel. It was fantastic. Thank you so much. It was a really great panel. Thanks y'all We can't understand you Fred again. I'm sorry Sorry, I'm sorry email. Thank you, Emily. Thank you Bye