 So what's going on, Samuel and Dave and Shannon and Chris and Detectin' Arizona, all you guys out there. Glad you all made it back again, took last week off and basically was kind of getting refreshed and all that happy stuff kind of didn't do a video today like I was hoping to, but just didn't feel like it. So I've got things to release. I just need to finish tweaking them a little bit. Oh, turn that off. First she tells me to turn it on so it'll be warm and then next thing you know, she's hot flashed and she ain't got no reason to be. So. It's got a heater down here and it's hot. Well, we're in a basement that's freaking cold down here and you said turn it on. So I did. How was everyone's Christmas out there? Mine was pretty good. I got some new toys, a lot of clothes, which I'm cool with cause I hate shopping. So, hey there, Hughes man, what's going on? And got a bigger polar, pulley polar and got an extra probe from Field Peace so I can take my third temperature measurement of the pipe and what else I get? I got some gloves and I don't know. Couldn't hardly think of it. I've got other things, you know, on my own. Bought the Hillmore Swedger, the hydraulic one. I got that a week ago or what have you. I got the quarter inch head and all that and I bought a Milwaukee hoodie. Bought that on day before Christmas. So a little bit of this, little bit of that, little bit of something, whatever. So, what's going on? Teddy Bear and Joel and Alexander. I think there was a few others. I called them all out earlier but guys didn't hear none of it. So, it's always frustrating when you gotta do it again. So, tell everyone I don't want anything. Yeah, I always want something. I just don't know what it is I want. That's the problem a lot of times. I was looking for things to spend my tool account money on and I finally found a few things. So, can't complain. So, you are really distracted over there. I'm looking to see if there's any comments that we need to address. Yeah, throw those out there. Give us something to talk about here. So. I'm seeing some new names in here I haven't seen before. I'm okay with that. James Brown, I think that's a newer one. Joel De La Cruz, Daniel Laser. I've not seen that name, Boy Boy Wonder. I've not seen that one before. Cool. Welcome aboard guys. Hopefully you find it worthwhile to watch. Generally on these streams here is just kind of get to know your type thing and talk about whatever it is. You guys might have questions on, kind of hang out, whatever. It's not real necessarily educated based, but it can be just depends whether you guys come up with some good questions and stuff. Cause a lot of times there's nothing in particular on the agenda to talk about. But we can talk about anything honestly. We could do one of those ask me anything things. I don't care. I'm an open book so. I kind of like when I'm detecting Arizona, he said I hate telling people what I want because it's either too expensive or they get wrong stuff. Brick is very extensive, expensive to buy for. In majority of the time he just goes out and buys it, which ticks my mom off. He's gotten in trouble several years in a row because it's Christmas and he just goes out and buys whatever and then my mom gets mad. Well, I wanted a garage door opener and I wanted a specific one and I went and got it and she's like, I was gonna get that for you, thanks a lot. So, you know, generally when I, to make sure I get the right one, I literally pick out the part number or give them a link right to it. That way they can't make a mistake. Like the extra polar I got, I got a gear wrench, which I really like cause it's got like a foot that kind of just swings over and it's pivoting, flopping around. I wanted the bigger one but it was like $150 some dollars and then I found a couple on eBay for, I don't know, $70 plus shipping to being like 80. But I had her get me one from tractor supply that was 50 bucks and it goes up to an eight inch and I was like, holy, and so I mean for $50, it's really heavy built and I figured, you know, that was what I'm got. Let's talk about, can you install it? Yeah, so Dave wants to know if you can still install new 404A systems in Ohio or if everything is getting 440, 80. Far as I know, we're still able to do 404A. I think California, they're the weirdos out there that's got everything going balls the wall but eventually we're all gonna get screwed into it. So I've seen the newest ones in 404 but I don't know what we've chose to go with yet. I mean, far as, you know, for the long-term thing, that's not my department far as what we got right now. It's the usual stuff, nothing's really changed. So yeah. So Dave, I'm curious, is that something that you're seeing in your area at all? Well, 448 is probably a pretty good match for most things. I think that's what Stolting said they were gonna go to for their ice cream machines. I've heard 410A for some ice machines. I don't know if anybody really knows. When you look through it, they all have like they're undecided or whatever. So yeah, I mean, we can get it. It's just, it's the same stupidity. I mean, all this refrigerant crap is just pure stupidity in my opinion. We're switching away from what they thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread and now it's not no good. So, you know, whatever. So Alexander said they're selling it already there and it costs double the amount of 4404A. Oh well. Oh well, we don't pay the bill. So whatever, I enjoy it. When people that vote for that kind of stuff, I love charging them for it. And I just wait for them to complain. But generally the people that complain and vote like that generally don't care about money because it's just not important to them. So I just look for a reason to say something about it. And Dave's saying that the chat, some of the guys are saying that they're chat capes like buffering, that's really weird. Well, did you change anything far as? Nope, sure didn't. I mean, far as I know, this thing's paused. It's not, yeah, it's not downloading anything. Mine's paused too. Don't have any other windows open. I would just, yeah, make sure you have live chat on and not the top chat. So maybe that might be, I don't know. Well, there was a latency on this one. Did you pick the latency that was low, super low latency? I don't know. Well, that probably been important. So I don't know if it defaults back to that or not. No, it's whatever you sent it to. Well, you're watching it on there. No, I'm not, it's paused. But the chat will still, should still scroll. Correct, it is. Okay, well then there, is it latent there? No, not that I'm seeing. And it must be something possibly on your end. I don't know, do a speed test. There's a couple of different people. So I wonder if it's something that's YouTube. Could be, who knows? I mean, we were hacked, you know, pretty much on every government base, you know, because the idiots all have the same protection mechanism. So they hacked the protection mechanism and we all got in. So here's some comments. So, detecting Arizona's, he's wondering if 410A will be good enough for ice machines and Pro-C says that Manitowoc is going to R290. Correct? He's asking that question. I don't see how they're going to be able to do it. I think the limit's still at like four ounces or something like that. It's like super low. Six, I think was a max, but I think it's like four or something like that. So I don't see how they could, but I've heard that they're possibly going to switch things around and make it to a higher level. Cause I know in other countries, they've got a higher, I've heard 410A. I don't see why it probably wouldn't work. I mean, I think, I know there's a couple of those Chinese manufacturers out there that's used it and it's worked. I've seen 410A even on ice cream machine before. So I mean, your compression ratios are like a lot higher, but we've been doing it with everything else. And they're saying that the buffering, the things good now, which we didn't change anything. So. Yeah, it could have been just the Russians and the Chinese eating all the bandwidth up. Who knows. That's what we'll blame it on. Yup. CCP. So Tony, Del Grego said something about what about the screws tripping on carrier collection box? Or is that supposed to be screws stripping? Maybe. We're talking about the 90% residential units. Could be. Cause I've had that maybe once before. I had to replace one. Actually somebody else stripped it out or they claimed it was like that from the factory. And I had to go back and change the collector box. It don't surprise me. And you're getting a couple of comments on the new sign behind us. Yeah. I think that a nice looking sign. I mean, if you don't like the green, we can always go. Let us know what color is your favorite. Cause we can go red, purple. We got a remote. Blue. What else we got? I got like a teal and real bright. I like the bright. Cause it brings us. There's a yellow too. Yeah. The yellow is kind of about right there. I really like the greenish color though. Something like that right there. And you can also hit this thingy here. I think it'll kind of make it. You can also make it go different colors too. Make it wing, wing, kind of like throbbing. I haven't read the instructions on how this thing works. I just keep pushing buttons until I get where I wanted at. So you can dim it and all that crap. Monster brand, which, you know, whatever. This little pig went to sleep. If she's gonna sleep. I know it's cute though. It sounds cute. She's falling backwards off my laptop. It's annoying. James Brown said his son just moved to Columbus, Ohio for his job and that he's a master plumber. And his son. Columbus is nice. I mean, it's only about. He doesn't get into HVAC, but he likes listening. Okay. Yeah, so Columbus is not, I mean, it's far enough, but not too far. I mean, we can be there in an hour and 45 minutes, something like that, depending on which side of Columbus you're gonna be on. Yep, some of your siblings live down there. Well, all of them, but my brother. Yeah, they all live down there. And I've went, that's. On my dad's biological dad's side. And I went to OSU to get my spinal cord stimulator and stuff like that. So, I mean, it's far enough, but not too far. Yeah. You're way off the picture. Why don't you move this direction a little bit? Why don't you move the camera just a smidge, you camera hog? Because I've got the rack there in the middle of the screen. So I'm centered the camera. You're the one that's like way out there. Great to get near me. So William says he likes blue. Everything said, looks great either way. Um, let's see what else we have. She's not gonna be happy about that. I don't care. Oh, so I guess the screw, the units have been coming out of the factory stripped. Oh, don't surprise me where they made at. China. No. Oh, okay. They're soon to be, if they're not already in Mexico, they'll be soon going there. Cause consequences, consequences. So Pro-C said, has anyone worked with SCCOP C-COOP compressors? What's that? Never heard of it. Unless it's like a weirdo name. I've not, yeah, I've never seen it before. Embarco or some crap is usually popular. And William was asking, what days do you have to work? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, I think. And Friday. You work Monday through Friday. Isn't New Year's Day on Friday? Let me look at the calendar here. I don't have a clue. Probably. Christmas day was on Friday. Yeah, so New Year's is on Friday. So we'll probably work till half a day on the 31st, which is kind of what we did on Christmas Eve. I was done, which is one of the videos I was gonna do. It's pretty, pretty simple walk-in freezer was froze up on one corner. So Arizona said he talked to you last week about that train that's not heating up that kept tripping his fuses. He says he has an update. Do you want him to call in and give us an update? Did he call in before? I don't know. I'll post the number in chat. Talk to your assistant on head. Press and hold the act. What the heck? This stupid funk's doing a weird crap. Let's see. Let me go in and turn voice on to you. And it should be ready to go. And bring it up to there. Okay, and you type in your number in here. Call the hit lines and let us know what it is you found out. We'd love to hear from you. There's for the world to see. So yeah, give us a call. Yeah. I shut the program when I'm like, you know, not doing this. So it, we'd love to, we'd love to get an update from you, Arizona. Sure, why not? What are you doing little beggar? I told you she wasn't gonna be happy with that. She's not setting properly on my lap though. If your lap was just a little bit bigger, she wouldn't have a problem. Well, she can sit on yours then. Okay, so they're saying that that Seacoupe or whatever is Dan Foss. Okay. Same thing. Yeah, that's good stuff. Yep, yep, yep. Not, nope, Mexico. Yeah, whatever. So let's see. Hey, China, oh, great, buffering now. I wonder why. I don't understand why it's doing that. What, did you even make sure what type of resolution you were sending out? No, it saves it from last time. Oh, so it may be right. Not seeing a number. Should be able to see it. If you scroll up. I'll do it again. Here you go, Arizona. 937-589-3780. On the hit line. Color number one. And it looks like you don't have up here on the, this says top chat, that should be live checked. Well, I didn't set that up, Chuckie. Well, I didn't either. Now, does that change it for them or is that change it just for us? I don't know. I don't know all these things. Now, why does it say 54 viewers on top and the bottom left corner says 34? What the hell? I wonder if YouTube is. Yeah, that's so weird. I wonder if there's something funky going on with YouTube. Well, you screwed with all that crap down there. So I wonder if it didn't cause a problem. No, I don't know. That's really weird. So I would stay down, or your butt's getting down. Pause off the table. Yes, it's 937-589-3780. You should have seen her bat wings there come out. You see that? She looks like she's in trouble. The frickin' ears came out and went pfft. So yeah, 937. Like Dumbo. 589-3780. So what are you guys? What was one of your coolest gifts you got? Anything in particular? Ooh, so Alexander was saying that the good ones were made in Slovakia. There's a lot of things made there. There's China made ones, too. The Chinese can make good stuff if they want to. I think just they have people telling them to build it really cheap, and then they build it cheap, and then that's what you get. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Yeah, that makes no sense why I would say that. I wonder which one's correct. Rich, we've got the sign up. Do you see it back there? I even changed my lens focal point. Hey, hand bone, how's it going? So it would show up more evidently back there in the back, cause you can see the TXV sign on the right, my right, your left, so. We have a caller. Answer it all to Jay Link. Welcome to the headline, you're caller number one. Hey, this is the tech man, Arizona, here. What's up, man? Hey, how's my audio coming in? You sound fine. Yeah, sounds good. All right, so quick recap. Train splits with some heat pump, blowing fuses. On my 24 volt wire was on fuses calling in heat mode. Replace both thermostat wire, going to the thermostat to the air handler to condenser. Worked fine. Next day, got a call back saying, hey, it's only blown cold air. After 20 minutes of turning it on to heat mode, we get there and it seems to be working fine, like an intermittent issue. And like I just totally, like basically, I can't tell what's going on cause right now my pressures are good. Everything's wired correctly, so don't know what's going on. She asked for my boss come out the Tuesday, this past Tuesday, he comes out in the morning. It's not heating when we get there, cause I think we got there early enough in the morning where she turned it on, it wasn't heating, it was just blown cold air. And my boss looked at the pressures and they weren't like terrible. Like I think I was like 62 on the low side and like 280 on my high side, something like that. R22 system? 410A, this unit's one years old. And what was your suction pressure? It was like 60. Is this in heat mode? Yep. And are you in Arizona or where you at? I'm in Phoenix. Okay, ain't it hot there now? Or is it still, is it getting cooler? Our high is like 68 for the day. But it will drop down like 40 degrees. It was dropping down to 38. When we got there, the ambient temperature was about, I wanna say about 50 degrees. Okay, I figured it was warmer. Yeah. So my boss went ahead and added a little bit of refrigerant. Like I wanna say it was probably less than a pound and it was heating fine. We sat there in front of the unit for 45 minutes watching the pressures and everything was working fine. Two days later, the unit is still doing the same thing. It won't stay in the heat mode for whatever reason when it turns on in the morning. So it's just running in heat pump mode and it won't stay in heat. Does it do anything at all? Is it running cooling or just a fan or what's it do? It runs in cool, but for whatever reason when it goes into heating mode, it just doesn't wanna like turn on the compressor or something. Has it ever done it in front of you? When we get there, no, that's the thing. What kind of thermostat do they have on it? They got a programmable Braeburn. Who? Braeburn? Braeburn, yeah. One of their cheaper thermostats, like a $30 thermostat, something like that. Now, did you ever have a shorted wire or anything? Is that why you changed the thermostat wire? Had a shorted wire going from the air hammer to the condenser on my reversing valve wire because I disconnected my thermostat wire going from my thermostat to my condenser. So it's just wired straight white from the thermostat to orange on the condenser because I don't have a orange thermostat wire so it's white to orange. And I disconnected from the thermostat and I was watching my voltages outside and it was starting to draw voltage on my orange wire. So I was getting voltage even though I wasn't connected to it. Is it, oh, your orange wire? Yeah. Okay, and this is a residential split? Yep. Okay. Some of the guys in the past are pretty good at those terms. What makes me wonder, I mean, I hate saying thermostat because it's usually never the thermostat, but- It's the TXV. No, it is not. And does the heat pump have a, like a board out there that shows that it's locking out or anything like that? Yeah, that's another weird thing is when I'm looking at the board, when I get there, it's just consistent, slow flashing, which is normal, normal status. So it doesn't, like it's not receiving a call for it? Yeah. I hate to say, but it sounds like thermostat. I've never heard of whatever brand that thing is. I was gonna say, what if you, do you have like an extra thermostat, like a Honeywell or something? You could throw it on there. Put a temporary one on there to see if it eliminates it. Is that isolated? How many days does it take for it to act up usually? It's the next day. So if you can put a temporary one on there, like that's what I would try is try a temporary thermostat just to see, I mean, that way they're not out no money. And then if it stays working, then they can pick whatever one they want. So Rich just said, he asked if the thermostat was programmed. Yeah, did you check all the days individually in all the different zones? Like, you know, morning, noon, and night, that there ain't some weirdos? Cause half time people don't even know how to set them. It's the same thermostat that was on the unit, the old unit that we replaced last year and it heated all winter and it cold all summer. And then it just started having this shorting issue two weeks ago. So you did have shorting. So I wonder if the shorting may have caused defect in the thermostat now, maybe that the higher amperage draw when it shorted if it may have damaged one of the, I'm assuming it either has a relay or it has some sort of transistor in it, basically a MOSFET of some sort. I wonder if one of those was damaged. Like I blew up mine by accident when we made that video for the UV light. I, what did I do? I shorted one of the wires together, I didn't turn the power off and I have a carrier, which really it ain't carrier, but it's core, C-O-R. And it took out one of the solid state relays and it would not send a G signal down to the furnace. So I ended up having to swap that out. Some of these thermostats have, you know, even though it has a three amp fuse on it, some of these thermostat just can't take a short and then they go to crap. And I wonder if maybe that, how about this, has she ever tried throwing it in emergency heat when it does this? Does it work then for that? I don't think it has emergency heat. So it's just heat pump only, no auxiliary heat. It's just a straight heat pump. There is no auxiliary heat here. They may not need it there. The only time we install heat strips is like mobile homes where they're like kind of like low budget type things. We'll install a straight, cool, like a package in it and then we'll just throw heat strips in it. But I've only had to do that twice. Now for years I've been doing this. Now is that just because you're trying to be competitive and keep the price down or is it just your area doesn't require it very often? It just does not require it. Okay, so I mean, we got it always, not only because of the supplemental, hold on a moment, finishing conversation, not only for the supplemental, but also as a backup, if things go down, at least got a backup source and strips are so cheap. I mean, a couple of hundred bucks if you're lucky. And Ray Ray said, his train kept blowing to five amp fuse and he found a short on the 24 volt condensed T-wire. I mean, I've had it a lot of times on it where a rub through out there at the, you know, the reversing valve or one of the high pressure switches or something like that. I mean, carriers and a torus on the old ones for doing that. This is a new one, but not that that means a whole lot. But I wonder if that thermostat's not damaged. I mean, because I mean, she's telling you it's doing nothing, right? Completely nothing when it does this. It's just blowing cold air. Have you gotten there? The blowing cold air condenser is not working. She does go outside to see if it's doing anything. So I have her go outside. Yeah, I tell her go outside is the condenser on right now when you have a calling for heat. And she says no at each time. Yeah, I don't know if it's like a lockdown, like a pressure or what, but it's... Yeah. That's what I'm wondering. So I don't have a faulty low pressure. That's what I'm wondering if it's triggering, but I don't know what brand heat pump is it? Train, it's a train. So it should have an error code or something, right? Yeah, but I'm just, when I get there, there's no code on the board and it's working fine when I get there. Yeah, he said it's blinking like it should. Yeah. That's what I was just wondering. I mean, I don't know trains super good. I mean, I usually just figure them out when I get there and then have to read through and see what they've done differently. But that's what I'm wondering if it's just not receiving a call. So I'd either try a different thermostat just for giggles or possibly, I mean, if you really wanna get crazy, I mean, you could put little lights on it and that way she can see that, yeah, this little light here, which could be common to Y is receiving it and common to O or whatever that happens. Train's not energizing heat, are they? No, they're energizing cooling. Okay, so yeah. Which is why I was blowing my fizzers. Okay, yeah. So I mean, you can either do that or you can do the thermostat. I'd put like a cheap Honeywell 5000 style or something like that on there just to see if that's what's it. That way, you know, you can eliminate it, but I'm almost wondering if that stat wasn't damaged when you had that short. Cause I mean, it's very possible. They're dainty. Yep. They're wimpy, wimpy, wimpy. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, cause I mean, it sounds like you've already educated her enough to know what to look at. Cause I mean, that's what I'll do. A lot of times I'll sit there and go through and be like, okay, this is where it comes down to your ability to ask them the right questions. You know, is this one making, is this part running? Is this part running and kind of walk through them with it? And if not, can you go look at this when it does it to help me try to find this faster for you to help you out? Not asking you to do my job, but I'm just asking you to do this so that I can try to find out what's going on because we have this weird random thing. But it sounds like you've already done, did all that. So I'm kind of wondering if by chance it's a stat. I hate saying it's a stat cause it's usually never is, but it sounds in this point since you had a chart, I'm thinking you might've lost a stat. Yeah. Yeah, when I was getting there, I was blowing three amp fuses two weeks ago. So I just left on my flipper, the resettable fuses. I just left mine on there cause it was just blowing so much. The, sometimes it blow like when I was messing with the wires, sometimes it'll blow like the next day. That's why we ended up running the new thermostat wire. Alexander's saying 35 locks out the low pressure, which you was saying it was in a 68 range? It was like 60 when we got there. That seems so low in the morning. I'm trying to let me pull up my. Yeah, so we added, we added about a pound, I want to say, of 410A. It wasn't much. Was you able to check something? And we got to like, we weren't looking for that. We were just looking at the high side, low side. We're worried about our restriction, either our filter dryer or TXV or something. Yeah. Cause I mean, I'll check some cooling in heat mode even because I mean, the liquid lines, the liquid line, whether you're in heat or cool. And it was something I kind of learned a little bit later. Let me, let me pull up and see what 60 is. One of the guys in chat is asking if you are there like first thing in the morning to check the pressures. Cause he's wondering if by the time you get there, if it's later on, if it warms up and the pressure rises closing off the LPS. That's my thing with this customer is she is a total Karen. And... 60 PSI is eight degrees. Definition. You hear me? 60 PSI is eight degrees. So I mean, that seems really, really low. I mean, most of the time it's going to be somewhere around 100 to 90ish. I mean, we should never focus on pressure but more of the temperature side of things. But I would figure, you know, you might be 10 degrees under it. So that'd be like 97 pounds. So that'd be 30, 30 degrees would be 97 pounds. I hate going off of that, but that's, that's what the old Danfoss charts telling me. And that sounds like it's really low. Yeah, right now, when we charge it up, we got up to 75 PSI on the low side. And it was like three, I want to say like just a hair over 300 on the high side. Yeah, 300 that would be. And the fan speeds that kind of gone moderate, like slow, fast. Cause that's only 97 degrees. That sounds closer. Yeah. I don't know how the fan speed is. It's just a normal train dual blade fan. Yeah. Cause I mean, your outdoor coils, what's going to affect your suction pressure and the heat mode and your inside with like a carrier. A lot of times they'll slow their blower down to get more comfort, but that drives your head pressure higher because obviously that's now your condenser but it still, it could do a lot higher. I mean, like on my geothermals, when I'm running like 40 degree water or something like that, I'll be running sometimes as high as 350 to 400 on my head pressure. And the suction usually could be somewhere around 100 to, you know, 120 just depends on where we're at. I'm kind of looking at the chart here. Yeah, that'd be like 38. So it'd be like say 50 degree water somewhere at ballpark. So, cause you know, you're going to be some, it's just the same thing as water or cool or whatever. I mean, just going to be so many degrees above or below it to kind of give you a place to start at. But yeah. I'm wondering though, if it's not your thermostat. I think it's thermostat. I did replace the TXZ back in February and but when I did that, I weighed in the factory charge and it was fine. And like I said, it's been fine from February to December. Then how far away is the coil from the condenser? How many feet away? It's probably about 40 feet, 40 feet of line set. Three eighths line probably. It's seven eighths section line. And I think it's three eighths liquid line or quarter inch, something like that. I can't remember. Probably three eighths. I mean, it's a standard line set. Okay. So you're looking at 0.6 ounces for each additional foot past probably 10 or 15 foot, whatever train is set up for and at 40 feet, you probably would have needed another pound, pound and a half, something like that probably to get it, you know, all the way over to it. So that's what I'll do if I have to start it up in the winter is I'll just calculate it off that, which some people say are 22 is like 0.6 and then 410A might be 0.65. I mean, it's minuscule but I usually just go with 0.6 per foot for each additional foot past the factory pre-charge and kind of weigh it in that way. But that's what I would do is just like you said, maybe pull it all out, weigh it all in. That way you know the charge is right, add the extra feet for the line set. That'll be more than enough for the winter. And then if you're still having your issues but I'm thinking what you're describing that sounds like a thermostat. What's your temperature rise across your evaporator coil when you check that? I didn't check that. We didn't go in the house when we were doing it. Like I said, she's a Karen, she doesn't want anyone in her house unless it's absolutely necessary. So we're just standing outside and watching the PSIs. Nice. So she's like afraid of the COVID or she just think you're beneath her? Oh yeah, she's super afraid of COVID. Like I went inside when we got the thermostat where I ran. I had it running for 30 minutes. I walked in, checked it, the temperature coming out of the vent. And I had a mask on. I just held my hand up to the vent. I didn't touch anything. And her dog ran over and was like jumping on me and she just yelled at me, you know, hey, it's okay that he jumps on you but don't touch him. I'm like, okay. I'm fine. I won't touch your dog but it's touching me. And you guys sold her this new system then? Yeah, last year. That sucks. So yeah, you're kind of stuck with her now. So yeah. We're stuck with her for another year. Yup. Cause we have a two year labor contract. Wow. That would suck. I mean, we'll get them sometimes. Yeah, it's required here. What? Two years labor? Two years labor contract. Yeah. What all does that cover? Anything? The unit, the thermostat wire wasn't covered underneath it but she was being total caring. So we just ended up saying, you know what? We'll just do it. Wow. So Rich was asking if the train has a charging chart in heat mode. Should have. And then. Probably in the book. But I mean, I would definitely be curious, you know, what's your temperature drop across or temperature rise across the evaporator that kind of helps try to narrow down your airflow. Then I, you know, for giggles, you can also check your drop across your condenser, believe it or not, and see if it's putting out colder air than what's going into it. So, and then, you know, you guys have already, did you have any problems in the cooling? Was cooling fine? Cooling was fine all year. Like I said, we get up to 120 degrees in the summer. And it did fine. And it was fine all winter or all summer. Yeah. You would have thought that it definitely would have failed with those high temperatures out there. Yeah. I bet that's interesting. I have to size equipment for that kind of stuff. You have to go so big for it. Interesting. Well, a five ton here is for 2,000 square feet, maybe 2,200 depending on how... Holy cow. How energy efficient your house is. Yeah. No, does that screw you when it comes to feet? Well, some here is every 400 square feet. No, this is like the most issues I've had with a unit in three years. Like a brand new unit. That's interesting. And I've installed, I want to say, probably 20 train heat pump splits. And this is the only one I've had an issue with. Paul, he's in Arizona. In this persistence. Well, Paul asked what state you're working in. That's kind of crazy. I never heard of a two year labor warranty. I mean, every time Dick and Harry has to give that out. Yep. Everyone, it's required state contractors or whatever it's required. Wow. I like what John McMaster said. He said, tell Karen, she's fired. Well, dude, I wish I can't wait to be done with her. Yeah, that's wild. I've never heard of something like that. I mean, we'll give them a one year unless we sell them an extended, like say we sell high end, you know, like all infinity and all that stuff. Sometimes we'll do a 10 year parts and labor warranty on our high end stuff, or whether it's the geothermal or something like that. And then we used to run it through an insurance company, but now we just self insure it. And, you know, that usually works out of K2 because generally the parts are covered for 10 by themselves, but the labor, you know, that's usually self insure on that. And she's not gonna like you probably going in the house to change out her thermostat, but I mean, that's kind of a good process of elimination. If you put on a new stat and then it works. I guess it depends on how bad she likes being without heat. Yeah, you could ask her that too. Yeah. I mean, beans does not wanna do it while you're there. I mean, that's kind of sucks. What's up Knoxville? So yeah. So you'll have to let us know what you end up doing. And then if it fixes it, you'll have to report back next week and let us know. Yeah, definitely. I'd be kind of curious. Yeah, we're gonna have another tech because my boss's brother has his own AC company out here. And he has a tech that's been working out here for 30 years. So we're gonna try to steal him this week and go out and see what he can figure something out if it's not done that. Sometimes fresh eyes help. He may find something you weren't looking for or you already thought you had it. I've seen that happen before. Somebody walks out and they just find it because they had different mindsets. So yeah, at least you got somebody like that. That's cool. So yeah, it helps. Awesome. Well, thanks for the report. That's all I got. All right, man. I appreciate the call. Awesome. All right. Well, we'll catch you later, man. Take care. Yep, see you. So cool. Doing phone calls. Yep, it's kind of cool. I mean, it's kind of like everybody's just eavesdropping on us out there. I think they kind of like it. It's hard to say. People make big money on that stuff on the radio for that sort of thing. So plus it gives you something interesting. It's real life. I mean, you're trying to see and hear what other people are dealing with and you kind of get involved in it and see if you have some ideas and stuff. And I like that. I think it's kind of neat. So what do we gotta give them a tail light? Yeah, kind of that of the concrete warranty. Nice. So John Gorthy, that's a new name I've not seen before. He said, what's the best way to pull a vacuum? With a vacuum pump. Can you put a little, oh, Rich said to put on a full body condom and change the stat. Good luck with that. Yeah. We're gonna need lots of KY for that. So, but no, like. I like using the, you know, if you've ever seen it in mind, I like pulling straight from the core tool right to my vacuum pump. I didn't believe it. I mean, when I first tried it, even prior to coming to where I'm at now, I remember doing it with three eights hoses that you'll sometimes see me use for recovery. Those were my bigger hoses at the time. And I thought it was always a waste of time and a waste of money. And cause, I mean, for, you know, 20 years at that time or probably 19, I have always pulled through the manifold. It's worked fine. What the hell, you need all that other stuff. Then again, I never used a micron gauge either. Cause every micron gauge I had, I was lucky if it lasted more than a month or two and the dumb thing would always go out. I always had bad luck with micron gauges. So, but garden hose and a whole cooker. Yeah. I like, I like John's. I like pulling straight through that and avoid the manifold. Can you record that for us, John? And, you know, send us that video please. I would love to lay that in there. That'd be hilarious. But I do have a lot of times where I valve it off and I have a rise when I don't end up having a leak. So sometimes you can chase your tail for a long time and here it's just your valve core tool ain't working right. So you gotta make sure your tools are working great. And sometimes it's hard to have something to test that on. That's why I've tried to get me like a big copper container so that I know there's no leaks in there cause I hate using a recovery tank cause you can be leaking around the stem or something like that. And so I've been thinking about building me like a four inch by whatever long type of test chamber to test my vacuum core tools to see if they're leaking through. Cause I mean, there's times where every build them and on the Appian, those went to crap. And that's why I like the CND. Those have well held up the best of any of them. So, but yeah, straight off the core removal is what I like. So. And what's your favorite vacuum to use? I mean. Do you have a favorite? I like my field piece I've got just because it's easy to change but you know, I've heard good stuff about the JB pumps. I mean, my JB pump is one of the basic stripped down $200 one. So it's nothing fancy. You don't have a gas ballast or anything like that on it, but it's what the company provided. So yeah, I mean, I always was a big Robin air guy. I actually own one of my own is Robin air. The older ones were some of the best ones. I like those. They're just six CFM. They worked great for years and years. Dave says he prefers POE oil instead of KY. I mean, you know. Whatever works. Whatever works for you. Whatever trips your trigger. Definitely costs a little bit more, I think. Yeah. That'd be a little more expensive. True. Can you use Don just dish up to get that off since there's oil? Sure, why not? Does Don break that down? So if you come out looking like a duck from an oil spill, you can grease up with Don and... Brake cleaner might work too. Oh yeah, brake cleaner. Make it burn real good. Yeah, hope you don't have any cuts. Yep, no cuts. If not, it'll take out the... So Joe Scheer said he uses a two foot long piece of one of one eighths copper for his vacuum test rig. Oh, and Percy says he uses a Dyson. Dyson's good. I like shark myself better, but yeah. We're shark people. Yeah, we're shark people. Oh, here's a good question. I'll try that, Joe. So Knoxville is asking, have you ever worked on a hydronic system? What's the best way to get air out of the loop? He's never worked on one and he's from the South. Do they not have those down there? Probably not. Is that a boiler, basically? Yep. Oh, well, you know, they were on overtime last night. We're talking about boilers. Some people in the chat started getting all rowdy and excited. And I kind of feel like other people probably just don't care about boilers. Yeah, well, you're right into that. I mean, different areas for different things. I mean, in some places, you know, geothermal's popular and in other places like Northeast, oil's popular. And, you know, down South, it's just heat pumps. And like you heard Arizona saying, they don't even put freaking auxiliary heat in there. For that, for us, that's crazy. We have auxiliary heat. We do dual fuel where, you know, we'll have the gas furnace and then the heat pump. And then at 30 degrees or 20 degrees, we'll shut the heat pump off and run to the gas furnace. So different areas for different things, but freaking boilers are so expensive. I mean, it's some really nice heat. What I'll see on a lot of times is radiant in-floor heat. You know, put, have important to concrete or put underneath the flooring and stuff like that. But far as getting the air out, I mean, it depends on whether it's all in series or where it's in parallel. If it's in series, I mean, it's pretty easy to put a ball valve and have a boiler drain to where you can force the water through and get a good majority of it out that way. And then, you know, if you want to spend the money, get a spiral vent, those do a really good job. Otherwise, hopefully you've got a bleed vent at each one of the registers. It just depends on how it's laid out. If you get something called a monoflow tea, which is where everything's in parallel, but they have like a little scoop in the tea and it just takes a little bit of the water off. Those can be a real pain in the butt. If you watched my one video, those ball valve things in there, it helped a lot, but it didn't get it all out because it had all monoflow teas. And I hate monoflow teas. And basically it took a long time to get all the air out of it. So I mean, it's just one of the things where, I mean, if you can find out how it's laid out, you'll just have to work your way around it. If you can force bleed it or power bleed it which way I call it. So that's the greatest way. If they're not all in parallel, even if they are in parallel, it'll still help you out quite a bit. So what's a boiler? It's a big water heater. So I started a poll if you want to vote on whether you would like to see some future boiler talk, you do the exclamation point vote and then type yes or no. I mean, I like, you know, the boiler extraordinaire here. Well, I know, but we have friends that are. So... We have friends. Someone. How much do we spend for that? So Daisy said, yeah, you can power spray Don or break cleaner. Could you imagine power spraying Don or break cleaner to get all the POE oil off you? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't worry about it. So he was saying something about, he needs to change the water pump and he wants to know what to do next. Did you see that comment? No. Yeah. The TACO. That's kind of a medium sized one, I think. Because I got to rebuild a couple TACO circulators. That's not, I don't think that's the smallest one, is it? Which one are we talking to? Is that loud? That was Knoxville. Knoxville. I mean, if it's the cartridge pump, I mean, it's just a matter of isolating and take the cartridge out, put the new one in, no big deal. And I think even there's one above it, you can do just a cartridge. And all it is is like induction. It has a stator and then the rotor is in between there and it induces the flux lines right through the metal container and it makes it spin. But if you ever run them dry, that's how they take them out. But on the bigger ones, you'll have like a ceramic disc in there and you'll have a spring to replace and that's the seal to separate the water from the pump mechanism. And it's not too bad, especially in direct coupled pumps, but there's diagrams if you go on TACO's website, you can download them and you can see how it's laid out. It's not too bad. The kits may be, you know, 50 to 125 bucks depending on which size it is. And you know, it's just change that out. I'll be doing some circulator pumps. I think they're about yay bigs. I think it's like 10 to 12, 14 inch, something like that. It's on, I've got two of them on a, it's a geothermal system on a school. I've got to rebuild one of them that's leaking. So I'll try to record that if I can. And it's not too bad. Now, on this one here, it's a two piece. So you got to make dang sure that you get the motor perfectly lined up with the shaft, which is kind of sucks because you're using spacers or shims and you got to make dang sure that thing is perfectly lined up which can be a real pain in the butt. So you got to have a nice straight piece of metal or something to guide you and get that thing straightened up. So, but I think on a 008, I'd have to search on my phone, see which one's at take 008. I thought it was taco. Take a taco, whatever. I just saw taco and got excited. So Dave G said he used to service all the Kmart boilers and he said those sucked. I can only imagine how big those were. Taco GSK 008. And so far, people are preferring the Dawn power wash than the brake cleaner. Probably so. I wouldn't really want the brake cleaner or pipe cleaner that works too. Maybe that's not the right one for it. Let's just type in Taco 08. So I know which one I'm looking at. Tacos. There's supplyhouse.com, 119 bucks. Supplyhouse.com. Oh yeah, that's one of those little dinkies. That little burger right there, just focus, focus. Take your eyes off, look down, look away, look away, look away. There you go. Can I look now? Yep. Okay. See that camera looks for our eyeballs and focuses for it. So she's got to look away. That little burger there, man, just isolate that thing right there and you take those four screws out, pop the thing off. There's an O-ring about yay big around. Drop a new cartridge in there, put it back together, bleed it out, move on. It's cake. Yeah. So yeah, that's no big deal, that thing's easy. So Arizona said, he said, oh, he forgot to tell us that his thermostat wire going to his condenser was shorted out on three wires. You got a screwed thermostat, dude. Change that thing. You're screwed. Just change it. Change it. Cheap. Like your underwear. You don't even have anything, it doesn't even require a fancy thermostat. I mean, it's just frickin' heat and cool. It just hadn't, oh, I mean, it's nothing. Where we run into issues, when we got to have dual fuel, when we got to have outdoor sensors, or we got to have wifi to be able to know what the outdoor temperature is so we know when to shut off and stuff. And yeah, that's just a frickin' $60, $75 thermostat. It'd be more than enough. So here's another AirFolts. I've not seen that name before. He was asking, have you ever worked on the big train in telepathic units? Let me search which one that is. I am not. We just don't have a lot of training. We have it. It's just not our brand. I mean, it's just. He said he got called out to one today and it was tripped on a low air temp limit and pushed a button to reset and made double time. Yep, there it is. It's one of those big 130 ton ish areas. We've got a couple of them in some of our city buildings. I literally just took on one of our city buildings that has something just about like that. And I'll probably get some footage on that. So yeah, it's my train experience on commercial big stuff, like other than like the Voyager or the little stuff like, you know, the little 20 ton and below aren't, you know, that's no big deal. But some of this monstrous stuff there like that, it, you know, I just don't run into a bunch of it and that's going to be on energy management. And the company in town that runs that crap, they lock them people down really hard and sell them all this building automation crap and they're stuck with them after that because the thing won't run. And they're dirty enough that they'll put codes on there and lock people out. And I mean, it's a disaster. Oh, he said it was for a surgery center. Yeah, yeah, that's, I mean, the train stuff's good stuff. I mean, I ain't got no complaint with it. Just, you know, if you don't work on a bunch, it's just, you're not going to be as familiar. So it's going to take a little bit longer, but it's, you know, it's all the same crap. It gets colder, gets hot. Just how they decided to do it's the only difference. So speaking of boiler talk. You're welcome, Noxiel. Do you want to share what you have to look forward to this week? Oh yeah, I can't wait. You guys are just going to be green with envy once you hear what he gets to tackle. See, they got my cell phone number because we try to keep the same person there. So I get this phone call. Hey, how was your Christmas? It was just terrific. What do you want? So, you know, and it's like, hey, since you shut the chiller down and it got kind of warm, you know, it was like in the forties. We decided to open the economizers because, you know, we'd haven't spent the money for a, to replace our same company put in the building automation system for this place and rope to dope them into it and now everything in the building don't work. So the, they have the AV systems and none of them work. They got to literally go in there with the hand vials that have, you know, and literally tweak it by hand to get just the right amount of heat or the right amount of cooling. Well, they opened up the economizer and oops, a daisy. I forgot it was going to get down to 10 and 12 degrees this week. I have nine water coils now that are busted. So I can't wait to go there to pops tomorrow and try to start fixing these. At least nine of them. Yeah. And I said, well, who's the genius that did that? Well, you didn't say that way, did you? I said it's similar. Oh boy. You know what? Sometimes you get, my grandma said this a long time ago. I really should like answer your phone calls and have those conversations with people for you. You're on my time now. You called me on the weekend. Well, you did call you on the weekend. Yep, you're on my time. And you're not even on call. Nope. So, you know, and it was sometimes if you don't listen, you're going to have to feel. And sometimes they're going to have to feel and the field is going to come from the pain of having to pay big money for something you fixed. Well, well past its prime anyway. It was 1998 when all this garbage was installed and it's just plain war out. The problem is they've got so much of it. It's going to be mega, mega bucks, mega, mega, mega, mega, mega bucks. I mean, I've heard somewhere the 100,000 plus for just the controls upgrades. And, you know, it's just stupid. The Dextron unit needs replaced, possibly 350,000 to $250,000 just for that. And it's huge. So I mean, you may have to assemble it inside the building, you know, try to get it out. It's just, there's just certain things that just ain't good. Water damage, I don't know. I'm assuming that it came down through the suspended ceiling in certain areas. There's a couple areas where it's actually finished ceiling. I'm not looking forward to it. So I'm hoping that she sends another person to help me because I really don't want to be there for like three or four days. He wants a friend to help them come in and go through all that. I hate being somewhere for more than a day. I, it's why I'll never be an installer. Not, you know, I just can't stand being somewhere for very long. It drives me nuts. I hate moving. Get in, get out, move on down the road. You know, a couple of hours there ain't bad, but man, when you're there day after day after day, it sucks. So. He, Ray Ray says that's easy, Rick. Do that before S and D connection. Huh? Yeah. S and D. The S and D connection. I don't know what that means. Where's he at? I don't even see where it's at. Ray Ray, it's right there. And then John McMaster said building engineers, LOL. S and D. Snoop doggy dog connection. I have no idea what an S and D is. Supply and discharge connection, I'm assuming. Everybody likes to abbreviate. So. It's cray cray. How big is that boiler? Like how many, how much water does it hold? Or is that how you, how you determine the sizes of how many gallons that they hold? Oh, they're boiler. That's the other funny thing. They have two boilers and the blower wheel on it. The boilers, I think one and a half million, maybe, I think it's maybe one and a half million BTU. It's a CDI. Once again, another brand that we don't sell. Isn't it like older than I am though? No, 98. Oh, okay. Yep. It's got a fire eye on it, which was malfunctioning like nonstop. So everything's falling apart on this thing. One of the blower wheels on the boiler blew apart. We can't get nobody to build one for it. So we're gonna have to sell one new boiler. And they used to cycle back and forth. So one of those, everything in this place is just plain shot. The blower wheel got blown up real bad. It got busted real good. So Ray Ray said, he'll come and help you. He did it for three months at a time. You can have it. And he said slip and drive duct connections. Slip and drive, like slip and slide, but slip and drive. Drive, cleat or S-lock. Those are the only two connections I know. I've never even seen slip and drive before. So that's a new one on me. I don't know. Sounds kind of dirty. Sure. Seven, take two, they're small. Laska said search and destroy. Well, they already destroyed it. So now Rick has to do the searching. Yeah, I'm literally hoping though that they send somebody else to help. So I ain't there forever. Alexander said, he said, the slip and drive. He said, man, that's old school. So. I mean, we got some of that stuff where you kind of like bolt it together or whatever, but. Yeah, he said BTU capacity. He said, hopefully someone shut the water off, Rick. Yeah, they had vows on it, luckily. So they shut those down and isolated it. And what's funny is that didn't even happen on the main floor that the air handler's on. And that's what didn't make sense because the air handler, which is a train, didn't damage the boiler coil in there. And yet it broke it in the VAV boxes. So, you know, you've got your VAV box, which is you got your evaporator, and then you've got a boiler coil, and then you've got this little funky cone thing that screws in, screws out, or I should say it used to, it don't know more. And so basically it, I'm hoping I can get to some of them and just braze them shut or something or whatever, but I have no clue what I'm getting into. So I don't know. So John McMaster's saying as long as the valves are somewhat open, the phrase that should have shut. Problem is there's no freaking, there's no economizers. It's all being done by hand. There's no damper motors. They're gone. It's all gone. Everything's gone. Everything in this whole freaking building's being done by hand. Everything. And we're talking, I don't know how many VAV boxes they got and they're all going around doing them by hand. It's just, it's nuts. It's just plain nuts. So. Bray Ray said ducked meat. What's ducked meat? I don't know. Not me. Oh, Arizona said he's done slip and drive. It's easy. Yeah. I only install I've done is residential and that was when I first started. I hate, I hate freaking install. I can do it. I just don't like doing it. So far as commercial install, I've never really done it. Just fixed it. We kind of keep them separated that way. You know, you don't learn everybody else's job and stuff like that. So, yeah. So I don't do any install work at all here where I'm at. Yeah, 426 zips screws. I like what one of the other guys asked how many zips screws he had and it came back with like 40 laska did. I think he's like lies, all lies. He's like, they come in a box of 500. Yeah, but are they half inch, quarter inch? Are they 516s? What are they? You gotta give them, are they tappers? Are they just pointed on the end? It's just a plain old zip screw like the kind I always find in your pocket. You're giving them the cheap zip screw. You ain't even gonna give them a good one, not a tapper. Well, you don't give me good zip screws. You just give me the cheap ones that are in your pockets. Well, sometimes you get a 516s in there, a tapper on it. That's my favorite, between quarter and a half inch. Yep, inch.