 It's more than just open source. It's about connecting with people. It's about being part of the community. It's about sharing what you know and helping others. KubeCon is the best place to get hooked into the community and learn from everybody. And let me tell you, people, this is just the beginning. Hello, everyone. It's the wrap-up show. We're finishing out the week. The final day. My name is Dan Papandre. I'm the director of open source community and ecosystem for Cystic. And I have David McKay, Mackay here from... Go ahead and introduce yourself, my man. Hi, I'm David McKay from Glasgow, Scotland. I am a developer advocate at EchoX Metal. And I am thrilled to be here on this wrap-up session, less so to be doing it with you. I have a disclaimer for everyone. I'm containing all of my hatred for David McKay today. Just to be professional. All jokes aside, I love you, bud. All right, so today we have... I want to start off on a note here. We started off the week as well this way. Again, if you look at the banner above, David, you see givecovid.giveindia.org. Please support India right now. Our global family is hurting. And take care of them. Please take a look and take care of that. My heart's out to everybody there. So today we have a jam-packed session. Without... We can talk about this. We have a bunch of folks that are going to give their perspective. We have one of the most talked-about sessions this week. We have two of the folks that are in here. I'm so excited to have them come in and talk about their session. We have our first guest. Our first guest is Katie Gammanje. She's one of the end-user, awesome people. She's just incredible. Welcome to the show, Katie Gammanje. Hi. I was actually wondering if you're going to misspell my name as well. I was like... Hello, everyone. Yeah. Happy to be here. Welcome. So I mean, first off, I feel like, look, this is not your first show here. So what are some of the immediate kind of thoughts this week that you had in terms of the KubeCon in general? To be honest, I am very excited that KubeCon actually happened. I think there is a long time running to KubeCon EU as well. And there is a lot of new things. The platform is new. The interaction with people is more grounded. So I think from that perspective, we did great. The... And everything which I was thrilled about is to see the session quality. I think it jumped completely. We have a bunch of new technologies. We have a bunch of new themes and subcategories of new tooling coming around. So it's great to see some of the speakers deep dive into those. So from that perspective, I think it was top notch. So really excited. At the same time, I'm kind of sad that it's the wrap up session for the last day of the KubeCon. But I need to build up the excitement for KubeCon NA. So I think everyone is going to do the same. Totally agree on the session kind of variety this year. And again, you know, you got to give a shout out to the program committee, to our co-chairs, to our technical, you know, the technical track leads and all of that. I think again, it was a very superb. It was from start to finish. You had 101s. You had advanced. You had a lot of tech focus. You know, I think it was fantastic. And I, you know, props to the whole team. So Kate, I'm going to ask you this week, you were involved in a ton of stuff. Can you tell us some of the things that you were directly involved with that you'd like to kind of give a shout out to? And then we could talk about some sessions that you liked as well. Absolutely. Before I do that, I have to mention that currently I am the ecosystem advocate for CNCF and I am leading the end user community. And this is actually quite an important factor because I've been focused more on interacting with end user organizations as well looking into some of the talks that the end users have been given during KubeCon. So end users, especially the CNCF end users, just kind of a small intro, are all of the organizations that use cloud native technologies but do not sell them. So the vendor neutrality of this community is quite important. So some of the things that I've been involved throughout this week, again, is to reach out to them, watch the talks that they give, and kind of make sure that there is like an undergoing theme for me to understand how can I better help them to either interact with the community or to reach to the project maintainers or anything to pretty much help them navigate the ecosystem. So I'm not sure if you want to talk about some of the things that caught my interest but I'm happy to dive into that. Completely excited for you to talk about that. One thing I will say to you again, the end users are absolutely the life's blood of what we do. Every one of the projects that you see, what the CNCF does, all of those things are driven to help end users adopt, accept and contribute to open source. Precisely. So one thing that really stand out from the last KubeCon Europe last year in 2020 was the end user driven open source. And this can be seen from different perspective. We can see end users creating projects in-house and then donating them to CNCF. So we see these projects being born within the end user companies. But at the same time, I think there is a second side to these end user driven open source. I think that end users by adopting and giving feedback, this is how they actually steer some of the roadmap and some of the features that needs to be built for tooling moving forward. So I think this is the theme which preserved throughout this KubeCon and there is a big focus on users of as Dan mentioned. So it has been great to actually give the end user, top end user CNCF award which was given to Spotify. And that word was voted by end users organizations only. So massive congrats to Spotify. They did a great job throughout many years. They've been constant in constant interaction with the community. They have backstage, we have been donated. They have multiple roles in the community including the TOC. They have been track hosts and so forth. They've been doing a lot, a lot of work. So it's been great to see them getting this award. And I'm looking forward to see who's going to be the winner next year. As well, we've seen a great keynote from Paletton which is our recent end user member. And it's been great to see how they leverage cloud native technologies to really emphasize the growth. Because Paletton, I think it's an organization that doesn't really resonate tech to you at the beginning. But once you look into what they do underneath and how they leverage cloud native to really push at the edge the way they deliver it, the way they further empower their products, it's truly inspiring. So it's been great to have this end user keynote throughout. And one of the things today, I've been watching some of the end user talks as well and I've been astounded. Like some of the use cases they talk about, it's not introductionary. They really deep dive into some of the heavy stuff. So one talk that I can truly recommend is given by Apple and Intel. And it's about confidential computing to containers. So how can you truly and forever secure your containers by using Cata containers and leverage the VMs in which you're going to run your containers? So pretty much the full segregation of your workloads as much as possible. So this kind of things, this kind of talks really amazes me that this end user driven open source is really something that is at the core of our community now. Fantastic. And lastly, Kona, one of the things you all did, you did a complete redesign of the content of the CNSF end user page. Talk to us about that. And I think we have a link to that as well. If we can flash that up for everyone. But yeah, if you want to talk about that. Absolutely. So as part of my role is pretty much to lead the end user community, making it easier for them to navigate the ecosystem. So one of the things that I really wanted to make it easier for them is to understand what are the benefits of being part of the end user community. So from this point forward, and not only being transparent, but to actually highlight and celebrate the kind of the case studies and all of the cool stories and the usages of cloud native that end users have. So such I've designed the end user hub, which is currently under the CNSF.io forward slash end user. And you will be able to see pretty much the all the work that our end users do. We're going to have the case studies, some of the latest case studies, going to have all of our benefits. So you'll always be able to leverage some of your activities that you can do as an end user. But then we're going to curate the content for our end users as well. So in terms of the blog post, in terms of the videos. So when you're talking about videos, we're going to talk about the technology radars webinars. We're going to talk about the end user launch, which by the way is a new benefit that I've been launched for end users. So these are exclusive lifestreams for end users where we explore in depth how they use cloud native. It can start from the story of how they go to the journey. However, I would like to deep dive into some of the more, let's put interesting technologies that they use. They have a very specific use case if they leverage a tool in a very particular way. So for example, the first case that we had was CERN. And they have been talking about how they manage 600 clusters. But more importantly, they've talked about their feature challenges of transitioning to high performance CPU compute to actually leverage their products even forever. So this is kind of the use cases that I would like to highlight even more. So you're going to find all of these videos in the hub, all of your representatives, including Sheryl Heung, which is the VP of ecosystem myself, and all of you. Shout out to you, Sheryl. Shout out to you, Sheryl. He's been in the shadows doing awesome stuff. Katie's been doing so much stuff. I love you both in terms of what you're doing for the end users. I'm sorry. Shout out to you, Sheryl. Awesome. Go ahead, Katie. Absolutely. Yeah, I think she's been doing a great work and her keynote definitely to watch it. I think for the first time we've deep dive into just how our end users, again, showcase how they use Cloud Native in a bit more detail. So her keynote definitely been pointed that aspect. So you're going to find, again, all of this information end user related, you're going to be finding there. It's not only for end users, it's for everyone that wants to find more about the end users. So if you have, because this has been launched two days ago, the new fresh website, if you have any feedback, please reach out to me. I'm more than happy to take any feedback into account and have a second version of the MVP. Why not? Awesome. Well, Katie, any last questions you have, David, for Katie or? No questions, but maybe I'll read a few things. I think it's really cool that we highly spotify. I think the number of really deep technical talks coming out of their engineers has been fantastic over the last few years. And. Props on backstage. Backstage is, yeah, it gotta get props to backstage. I see so many teams picking that up now just because it is bringing so much value to the organization. But yeah, really cool that we kind of highlighted that as well. I haven't watched the confidential computing talk, but it's on my watch list. And I'm really looking forward to that session even more now that you've kind of gave us a bit more info there too. Well, the wonderful Katie, thank you so much for joining us for the wrap up show. Yes, thank you. Thank you very much for having me. And again, go in users and please reach out if you have any feedback in regards to the end user community. And looking forward to see everyone at the next KubeCon as well. See you in KubeCon NA. See you there. See ya. All right. So before we bring on our next guest, we got some questions from the audience. So we're some thoughts. Again, props to the events team here. Totally agree. Platform was fantastic this year. Gotta give props to that. There's some shout outs from some localized community days for KubeCon Latin. Latin as well. There's some shout outs there as well. But yeah, I think we should bring on our next guest here. And that's going to be Jason, my other nemesis. I'm just completely shocked by this. Jason D. Tiberius from Equitics Metal. How are you? Jason. There we go. There he is. So Jason, look, you did a fantastic talk. I think your talk was at the same time as we're all codes as well as Lorenzo. Shout out to Lorenzo's talk as well. Talk to me about, let's just talk about the KubeCon in general this week. How's it been for you? So I've really enjoyed it. I think one of the things that I missed from the in-person events is being able to interact with folks and seeing the effort that's put into trying to create an inclusive hallway track and trying to create those channels for people to talk to is refreshing compared to, you know, some of the various other virtual events that are out there. So it's really energized me interacting with the community and being able to talk with folks and just share ideas. Yeah, I think you need props as well. You devote so much time and energy to this community and the hallway track and on Twitter. It's just great to see you just, even though we're not embarrassing, you're still there doing your thing and I love seeing that. Yeah, Jason, I mean, if you look at like the entry video they got you and the beard, again, you have always been open and warm to everybody. Like, you know, I remember having tacos with you in San Diego and just being like, you know, but so in general, like, is there any sessions that you were like, wow, this is pretty awesome that you were a fan of, that you had seen this week? Yeah, so I mean, I think like everybody else, you had Tabby and Ellen's talk. That one was just incredible. Everybody's going to talk about that one. So outside of that, listening to Ian and Kat talk about communication breakdowns in the community and lessons that we've learned through there and how do we improve communication? And I think that's the thread that I take from most of this KubeCon is just the awesome community-oriented content. Whether it's like that, talking about how do we improve communication within the community and, you know, to the users, you know, whether it's, you know, Bob and Allison talking about how do we bring events into the virtual space and be more inclusive with people across time zones, across cultures, even across, you know, personalities and how people like to communicate back and forth, that showing the thoughtfulness of folks, you know, sharing that information and trying to find the right ways to communicate with people and build a better community. You know, that's what the community is all about. So, you know, it's really great. So there's, and you've been involved in this as well, Jason. And again, I've been involved in it as well as the people keep on talking about the hallway track. And look, it's so near and dear to our hearts is that right there is, I'll tell you a story. And I love this story. It was last year, somebody who was like, hey, how do I contribute to Kubernetes or how do I contribute to a specific project? I remember you and three other people being like, here's how you do it. And you stepped this person through, you stopped everything you were doing to do that. And that's what I, that's right there. Exactly why I love this community right there is being able to take somebody who has no idea and bringing them in. And then the next year, what happened? That person helped somebody else. It's the most incredible thing to talk to me a little bit about your thoughts on just the hallway track. David, you as well, let me Well, I think that's why the community is such a success because there's only so much that a handful of people can do. So as we grow bigger, as there's more problems to tackle, as there's more work to do, the more we can bring folks in, make them part of the community, empower them to solve the problems that they have, the better it is for everybody. So I mean, it may take five, 10, 15, 30 minutes out of my day to help somebody out. But the amount that we get as a community in return for that outweighs any amount of time that I've just lost, having that conversation with somebody. So it's really not time lost. It's time invested in the future of our community. Yeah, fantastic. Great way to look at it. I always think back to that movie from the 90s, pay it forward. I don't know if anyone's ever seen it. But I think like we just, every little thing we can do for someone else has the power to exponentially just navigate through the whole community and help a whole bunch of other people. And I think that's so powerful. I just remember one, I'm going to give a shout out to Narendra because one of the guys who's been the hallway trek last year was one of the people that wanted to learn about this. And now he's absolutely contributing and he's doing things, you know, he's helping somebody else that's coming from all the students that have come in this year. We've seen a ton of students. So shout out to all the students that have joined this year, really props to that. So Jason, I want to ask you like any sessions that like you want to call out that you were like, wow, really cool. So I think again, going back to just the community aspect of things, Bob and Allison tackling new challenges in a virtual focused community, it really brought, you know, makes you think about how do we sit there and include more people because it's very easy to think about the ways that we've already done things and the ways that we've done things in the past and trying to continue those things. But if we can continually reassess and figure out how we can do things better, you know, then we can include more people, grow the community more and all of that. Seth gave a great talk about why use managed Kubernetes. There's, you know, an aspect of some people that you're not, you don't have enough geek cred unless you're rolling your own Kubernetes, the hard way type of thing. But talking about, you know, it's about solving the problems. And if your problem doesn't involve managing, you know, a Kubernetes based platform, then it's okay to use a managed Kubernetes stack and build your work on top of that. That's exactly what, you know, this project in this community is trying to enable. So, man, there's just so much, you know, Ellen and Tabitha, they're hacking Kubernetes security. Well, before we get to them, before I go into this, we're going to have them on. But you know what, let's, we have a special guest. We have somebody else who's going to join us right here. We have Ava. Ava, you want to come in? Because you had, you know, you had some sessions as well. I mean, so talk to us, you know, in terms of like, you know, your environment this year as well. And Jason, let's please stay on the panel. Let's like have everybody, you know, here, right? Let's talk about, like, you know, some of the things that, like you as well, Ava, that you liked, that's, you know, echoing what Jason's talking about as well. Some of the same things, I think, that Jason was just saying. Tabitha's panel with Ellen was a panel discussion, like walkthrough and some incredible storytelling. So rare to see that and so engaging. Such a good way to bring new people into the community to just watch a story unfold. That's really educational. And the nerd that I am, I really appreciated the shout outs to three, not just one, but three awesome CVEs. Abstract, shimmer, probably one of my favorites. That was just kind of snuck in there at the end. So, you know what? I was kind of hot. It was going to hold on. But you know what? Let's just bring El and Tabby in. Look, I'm trying to get milk. Everybody coming into this whole thing, right? You got to stay for the whole thing here. All right. So let's bring in our absolutely special guest, El. Tabby, we'll be a few minutes. Okay. So listen, let's, behind the scenes, let's talk a little bit about this, right? So you're putting this all together. And you know, there's this, there's the shot where like, you know, there's the office and the people on the Zoom and you're like, hey, you all, can you help like come and join us? Right. And I'm on my way to the gym, right? And I'm like really hacker it up because I had my like hoodie over and stuff like that. And I just remember there was this take. Okay. There's the final, the final take is awesome. The initial take was like, El was so timid. And then I was like, El, we were like, El, you got to get more hostile. You got to get more like hostile, right? And she got hostile like on in the thing. And I'm just looking at it. I'm like, I was scared. I was like, oh, she really nailed it. Jason, you remember that? So it was just a phenomenal. So talk to us about like, this was honestly, everybody's talking about this session. Talk to us about your thought processes behind like putting this together. And obviously when Tabby comes, we can add, we'll ask the same question. Yeah. I think for me it was more about, so I used to do mostly in-person talks and then I got really into how to do the best talk and how to engage the audience and all of that and really nerding out on that. And then the current events came along and now there's no more way to be. And suddenly there's no more in-person talks and I struggled a lot in the beginning of this thing to learn how to make talks engaging in a virtual format. And I don't know, I think I tried enough things and watched enough YouTube videos and how tos to figure out that, the way to really keep people engaging is with story. And then we tried really hard to not just present concepts, but have a story, have a character, having someone on the screen that you have an emotion about. So either you're rooting for this character or you hate this character and to have that kind of stuff. And I think me and Tabby managed to play complementary roles really well. Two bad examples. You don't want to be either one of us. Yeah. Yeah. Tabby, I'm going to ask the same question. For different reasons. I'm going to ask the same question of you. Like, what was the impetus? Like, you're putting this together, kind of like the beginnings of this, you were like, okay, I want to do something a little different. So tell us about this. Yeah, we had been talking about co-presenting at this KubeCon. And as we were talking about that, we realized Kubernetes security is complex because it's like the union of Linux security and network security and usually cloud provider security. And then also Kubernetes has got its own additional layer of complication there, like especially around RBAC and tying your shoes together with RBAC and things like that. And it was like, I haven't seen somebody do this in the 101 track. Like between the two of us, do we think that we can provide something that'll be really fun and engaging and have technical depth and be accessible in the 101 track? To get rid of this idea that just because it's complicated, it's only for experts. And yeah, I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so, yeah, as we were talking about how to do it, it was like, can we do this as a slideshow? And it was like, I guess. But what if instead we could really take advantage of the fact that this has got to be prerecorded anyway? And so the idea just kind of evolved from there. There was like a dare. Can we avoid breaking the fourth wall for the entire time? And like once that dare was out there, it was like, yes, this is how it's got to be. And just it was so much fun. That look at the very end, Ellen, the last second, that was the moment. You broke the wall for a split second and oh. And if you know, Elle, the comedy that you're just such a funny person, that just got me. But the one thing I was saying, I was watching it, and again, when you got angsty, Elle, and then Tabby's face, I felt genuinely sorry for her. Like Tabby, I'm like, what's going on? Why are you doing that to my poor Tabby? I was like, why? So excellent, just excellent. I love this whole thing. Let me ask this question in terms of the reaction thus far, like into the last like, you know, it's been phenomenal. Like how are you all, how are you taking that? Let's talk about that. Oh, you know, attention is always fun. It's a bit overwhelming, to be honest, but it's a lot of fun. It's so good. I'm slightly concerned once the talk is public, like on open YouTube that, you know, there's always people who hate everything, and I'm sure we'll have some of those, but I think it comes with the, comes with the territory. So I'm excited to, for next week, when like a lot more people are going to be able to watch it. I'm also really excited about that. Like, I was hoping that we could, that we could teach some things. And like, I was really proud of the fact that there's something for everybody in this talk. Like we tried so, so hard to make it accessible. I mean, we put it in the 101 track and we really tried to make it accessible, like for people who were super beginners, but like also, I believe this is the first public demonstration of that container D exploit against Kubernetes and container D. Like the proof of concept works out of the box against Docker. And like, I'm not going to publish that code, one because it's terrible quality, but like too, it's an exercise for the reader. Like, so I was proud of the fact that there's, that there's a lot of hidden technical depth there. So, so like, it's not boring if you are an expert. But we tried to do all those things, but you never know how something's going to go. You know, you really, you put all of the love that you can into something and hope for the best. And goodness, it's just wonderful to have like made so many people's day. Like, we love you all so much. Thank you. So, so everyone else here, I kind of need your help with something. I'm trying to talk Tabby into doing this again. Yeah, I don't think you're going to get any complaints from us. I think we all want to see cool. No, like, that just has to happen. That has to, there are so many complex things. I think you can bring your story to a narrative. I'd love to see more. So that's the question. Actually, do you have any plans, Tabby, for until the CFP closes? I mean, I was kind of thinking, I was kind of thinking, so, I mean, like, let's talk about LA. Who knows what's going to happen with LA? I think it's, I think it's too early to tell, but I've got my fingers crossed that it will be safe and reasonable for at least some people to be in LA. And I don't know, I think it'd be pretty great to like, you know, be on stage like behind the lectern with the laptop and like all ready to powerpoint somebody to death, get introduced, and then just like turn and just like walk down the stairs. Save it, save it for the show, Tabby. Come on, don't give too much. I don't know, it'd be fun. Just show this, baby. Don't give it away, you know? I can see like a recurring theme with different attacks each time, building the story of your relationship as coworkers evolving and that I don't know, it's a great bit. I think for the next one, we need to step our game up and we need like a global conspiracy. We need time travel. We need, you know, a whole thriller. I am here for time travel especially. Oh my gosh. So I think the biggest challenge is going to be how do you, you know, create a sequel to that? Because there was so much depth, so many layers to it from, you know, approachable content to that deep content for the experienced folks but also all of the Easter eggs that you dropped in there from, you know, different aspects of the community that folks can see and recognize and things like that. I mean, you basically just created something that is almost going to be impossible for you to top again. Clearly. Challenge accepted. Introduce time travel, cloning, teleportation. That's how they step it up apparently. I mean, those are all like cloud-native technologies, right? Absolutely. You got storage, cloning, Linux has time, namespaces now. We're going to need, it's a budget is what we're going to need. All right. So let's, we'll talk about, we'll get some special effects. We'll do some stuff. That's all good. So I'm going to, I'm going to shift gears a little bit and kind of go around the horn. We kind of started with Jason. We didn't really finish it out. So sorry, we've just been all over the place. But Jason, like you mentioned a couple of sessions that you like, but any kind of stand, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to Tabby next in terms of any sessions you thought that were incredible beyond your own. We'll, I'll give you props for your own, but like, what are some sessions that, that you were like, wow, these are just really cool. So I think it, oh, sorry. Good, good, good, Jason. So I think another one was like the ghost in the runtime one. You know, I think we put together a really great operations track this time. And everybody seemed to be really excited about the data dog folks sharing their experiences with issues that they hid and that sort of thing. So those end user, you know, kind of experiences, it resonates with people. How about you, Tab? I'm going to do that thing where first I say what I want to say, which is, oh my gosh, the fact that there was so many great community focus talks and also so many great, like deep technical talks at the same event, I was, I was super happy about that. Yeah, like I want to, I want to give ups to my, to my teammates, Eric and Laurel, that was a great, that like, that was, that was a great, like series of who done it. And, you know, it has been super fun over the, the previous time, you know, helping them out with, with some of the details of those things. Other, other technical talks that I really enjoyed. Lorenzo's talk was great, like, you know, Hold on, let me flash a Falco logo real quick. Okay, here we go. You know, getting, getting into, getting into like the basics of what root kits look like and, and you know, what kinds of bad things people can do once they have, once they have root on, on nodes. The, the talk that Thomas gave about, you know, bad, bad ways to, to shoot yourself in the foot with Kubernetes networking was, was also super fun. Can we talk about that? Just in terms of the proliferation of EBPF, and I've been in the world of EBPF for years, right? I could do it with my role at Cystic, but like in general, I'm loving this because we all know the benefit and the amazing power of, of EBPF. I mean, you think about like Liz moving over to Isovalent. You know that there's that capability and, and stay tuned for that because I think we're going to thinking about doing an EBPF co-located day. So, oops, oops for LA. I'm sorry, but that would be pretty amazing. But like, I'm sorry to cut you off, but Thomas' talk was fantastic. I totally agree. And, you know, and Lorenzo's as well, it's just all about tapping into those things. Like there was a talk, there was a co-located day on Rust and Wassum, you know what I mean? Like these are the things where it's like this, if you're a painter and you have, you know, as we all are, we're creators, right? If we have the ability to have these new paints and we're shown how to use these paints, there's a bunch of Picasso's and Michelangelo's and there's a bunch of like amazing Dali's out there that'll create amazing compositions. That's what we need to do is share these technologies in the way that experts do. So, it's phenomenal. So, Tabby, sorry to cut you off there. No, you're amplifying. I dig it. Community talks, everybody keeps talking about Ian and Kat's talk about communication, but oh my gosh, yes. Like, you know, I was involved in some of those things and I was just glued to the screen nonetheless. Like it was such a powerful story, like very personal stories there. And also, Celeste's talk, like just walking you through step by step doing great docs. Like I am going to be pointing people at that one over and over for years. Can we talk about the... I'm going to talk about this. Docs are so underappreciated. I'm so adamant about it. And the fact that this is... Here's the re... Like, and this is why I love Celeste in general is because she takes docs to the next level. I mean, she took it to the hero's journey. Phenomenal. But also part of this is you think about it. Anybody who's coming in, like anybody that was in the hallway track to be talked to was like, what's the first thing we said? Take a look at the docs to learn the projects that are out there. Take a look at like maybe doing a translation as a way to come in that all starts in docs. I believe that docs are the most underappreciated parts of every single project. But if you get those right, they help with adoption. They help with contribution. Incredible. So again, tap start. I really love docs also as an entry point because like a lot of times people think of docs is non-technical. And there are good important ways that you can contribute to docs without bringing any technical to it. But docs has the entire gamut from I'm not worried about technical at all to like absolutely the most technical work you can imagine there within docs. And so like I super love docs for that accessibility aspect and like the way that somebody who wants to not only become involved in community and contribute to something, but who wants to grow their technical depth can grow their technical depth by helping with docs by working on docs. Like you don't have to be deeply technical to get started, but whatever level of technical you have, you can apply it meaningfully to docs. Excellent. I'm going to pass it over to Elle as well and ask like what you know your favorite sessions and also if you can address the amazing Brazilian brigade that's out there out there maybe you could say in Portuguese. Obrigado. Let's you know let's just address our Brazilian fans out there. Okay, how do I speak English now? Yeah. So I was really I was really surprised very positively surprised because I have a lot of content about Go in Portuguese and YouTube. And you know people talk a lot about it etc. But and that is like okay I I I'm already familiar with the audience but I did not expect that to to leak into the Kubernetes community so strongly. So I'm I'm very positively surprised and thanks so much for all the all the comments. I think I'm gonna have to record some content in Portuguese very soon else they're gonna you know be on my case. Hey Eva I want to ask you just in general like what we you know in terms of either co-located days or or just date sessions in general what are some of your highlights this week? I also spoke at the Client of Security Day which was just full of amazing content. So much goodness there about software supply chain security and other techniques to protect yourself against threats. I was talking about confidential computing and then today one of the last sessions yes early in the day sessions was about Cata containers as a technique to add confidential computing at the VM hypervisor layer. Really like that one. This is close to my heart. I think this is where we're heading as an industry around protecting privacy needing to really better understand security end-to-end and you know supply chain is a big part of that eBPF and if your ability is a big part of that and hardware-based security like confidential computing is a big part of that too. I think we talked about that on a wrap-up show on Monday but like I think the Swiss cheese aspect of it you know what I mean to be able to layer and you know at the hardware level even at the runtime and forensics capability level like I think those are the things that you need and Eva I was on the program committee for tag security now excuse me tag security and again I said this before but like in terms of your talk I was like this is I love what you're all doing with the 3C's consortium and I love that. So if you can give it maybe a shout out or put a link in terms of the three people to join there would be fantastic. I'll drop a link in chat and here's the shout out we're actually about to host our very first community dev summit in one month and four days so I'll drop a link to that too if you're involved in the space you're an open source developer if you want to try and you know bring some of the confidential computing techniques like attestation or signing into CNCF projects like Spiffy or in Toto we'd love to have your help and sort of I jumped into the tech side of things because other folks have already talked about all the awesome community content we had but like just to all of that too I want to pass it over to David David I mean is there's any questions you have of the panel also in general like what sessions that you enjoy it as well because you know I I haven't I haven't kept up with you because you know we're mortal enemies and also yeah definitely there's just been so much I've been struggling to keep up my watch later list is definitely growing you know I could read all the talks that we've kind of covered already they were just all fantastic there's so much good content out there and again the split between community and you know deep dive technical was great I think there's a slight irony and we do have Jason on the call so I'm going to like pivot from security to bad idea and like kind of let's talk about that a little bit because I think something interesting happened at this conference is that we had two really similar concepts both come out from different people and I'm curious about why we're moving in less direction so Jason can you give us the quick elevator pitch for bad idea and then we can maybe dive into a little bit more from there yeah so basically the idea is can we take advantage of some of the things that Kubernetes empowers us to do especially around like the rapid application development that you get with CRDs you know you don't have to worry about how am I going to store this data somewhere you don't have to worry about how do I expose my API you know all you have to worry about is what do I want the input and output to look like and how do I actuate that so what if we could take that and deliver it without actually taking a hard dependency on Kubernetes just take the bits of the API machinery that exists in Kubernetes just enough to support those CRD use cases and just use it in a standalone binary and it's sort of something that's been talked about since going back at least as far as 2018 I mean Tim Hawking gave the talk about you know a CRD based future where most of the core Kubernetes types wouldn't even be built-in types they could be implemented as CRDs and just trying to run with it I mean people have been talking about this you know why isn't there something out there that that's already doing this so I started playing around in the space at the same time other folks were playing around similarly within their own projects I know the folks over at Tilter playing around doing something similar there the folks at Crossplane are trying to play around with it as well and can we talk about that I want to interrupt that because it's very simple so I think again if you think about what people are doing they're trying to abstract Kubernetes to make it even easier for you to do a certain thing right whatever that thing may be so if you think these projects like K3S they've gained a ton ton of traction right because it's kind of just bringing it to its simplest form now you're bringing it to an even more simple form in that and that's why I thought like when you know I'm a contributor with you on that idea right so I think the concept of this and you mentioned Crossplane think about this to be able to do this you know deployment you know configuration management that kind of thing using Crossplane but not having to deploy a tools cluster to be able to do that manipulation to me is incredible and from a security implication perspective if I'm looking to test out how these APIs are interacting and all that why do I have to spin up a full cluster when I could just do this like the components in our perfect world that you know Tabby is awesome and doing all the greatest things we're doing to secure Kubernetes those will be there but what are we what are the things that we're trying to secure from the API perspective having just a slight mechanism because the entry way to Kubernetes in terms of a deployment it's a hard thing unless you're using a you know it's hard to deploy a cluster to be able to test your certain things if I'm a security engineer and I'm trying to test you know how do I you know how do I talk to these APIs and from a secure perspective it's freaking hard it's if I'm if I have to understand that world as well so if we can give it an easier way for them to interact as you're doing with that idea as Clayton and the team at Red Hat are doing to me it's it's awesome it's a fantastic way yeah and I did want to give a call out to the KCP project that Clayton and the Red Hat folks are working on you know everything in this space is you know how do we further this how do we more empower the users and I know they're looking at it from a security perspective how can we enable some multi-cluster multi-tenancy type features with it it's just you know the example we start out with the small idea to try to solve our own use cases and as we collaborate as a community the ideas keep growing and growing and and I don't consider it my idea it's just building on the ideas of other folks and I expect other folks to continue building on it and let's see where we can take this it's going to be fun you know I find it very interesting that when we're talking about bad idea and and the related concepts that pop when you talk about it you you come at it from a security standpoint from like oh like something running in the cluster and you need to worry about security because lots of people can access it and we're using the same concept with tilt to do some things and it's a tool that runs locally in your computer it doesn't talk to anyone outside so like the threat model is completely different if non-existent and then basically the advantages and disadvantages of the concept are completely different so it's very interesting to hear you talk about the same concept from a completely different prism so maybe that's the beauty of the community there or if we if we if I'm in this silo and I'm thinking about this in my little myopic view and then I have Jason's view and then I have your view and I have Tabby's view and Ava's view I have I have all of us together is what makes this community so great I don't care that whole that adage about same family different company or excuse me what is it I'm sorry what's the analogy I want somebody else to take different one different companies one team always one team right I'm going to I'm going to go even further I'm say one family right so it's just how we how we operate is we want to make sure everyone's there so I totally agree with you without a doubt I think I think you just said diversity is one of our core strengths one thousand percent see well I have a brooklyn education I can't say as eloquent as you so it's all good all right all of the different viewpoints we bring just make this better hey pop I have a technical question for you since you mentioned your you know your educational background so there were all those discussions about pizza and you know culinary regulations so I'm wondering when you have a cheese wheel hello hello is this work no no seriously it's a legit question when you have a cheese wheel and you know you eat the cheese and then at the end at the outer edge of the cheese wheel there's like that thick border can you eat that or not this is a very very good question so my grandma used to put it in the sauce to help like kind of thicken the sauce and stuff like that my nonna okay and and that's I don't know if some people use it you know some people don't you talk about the rind the cheese rind right I don't know what it's called don't speak english man it's the outer in english we call it the rind right yeah I would no doubt so which brings us to a segment of our show where we talk about food our favorite part of this channel no I'm just kidding so well I actually asked Twitter before we went live a whole bunch of questions about the week and keep going and I I snuck in a sticky question is like what should we have Dan eat next and do you know what the first response was it was just a real pizza that's good that's good I'm still waiting on the haggis those haggis is coming we'll make the haggis oh my gosh let's all have haggis together well if you all if you follow the popcast pop if we get to 10,000 subscribers I'll be whatever you want same with flow all right all righty so I'm gonna go around the horn and talk about look what's next for you all in terms of are we gonna submit some talks for some CFPs for north america let's go around horn jason you want to go first oh I don't know yet I was trying to get through this conference before I even get through the CFP for north america I'm taking next week off to get my shout out for the can we talk about that way big shout out for the for the scheduling of the CFP date oh my gosh very very cool but let's talk about that in general the whole mental health thing take everyone look take next week off in terms I know for work it's really hard to just for me to say that but just in terms of mental capacity try to go at 50% or less it's just I know it's tough because this is what we do like we're not like athletes where we're doing that our brains are taxed we're hitting getting hit from so many different angles and all of that you really need that mental kind of break you also please take all this digest all the awesome stuff that you all are seeing and you know take it as a time to be like wow I can maybe use this in my day to day so I'm going to go to tabby what's some what's up for you next what's next for you I I mean really I'm going to chill out over the weekend and then see what it looks like next week but I am pretty excited about the LACFP Al yeah I think I think the next CFP yes of course I'm going to spam it but I'm really excited by the turnout of this talk was like there is this demand for a certain kind of kind of content and I'm very excited to just create random things around that area and see what happens so CFP aside big talks aside just small things so I'm very very interested in creating more of that type of content and and seeing what the community makes of that Eva I'm well first up is getting brunch with a couple tube folks that are here in Seattle and we're all vaccinated so we're gonna a couple just a couple people getting together that's that's right after this starts my decompression weekend where I'm going to just start painting my house and trying to take it easy next week because I've got RSA conference the week after that no breaks and you got this thanks already planning a couple talks at LA and of course the the conference are computing dev summit coming up in June so pretty busy summer schedule I would love to do one with you and from hardware to do let's do the Swiss cheese let's right here you heard it first and if you want to do it let's let's do it absolutely we'll submit a CFP awesome okay I'm excited all right David over to you bud what is what is summer you know what are you what are you going to do at right now at this point besides cluster clustered by the way right at the today right well yeah I think I need to speak to the Ellen and Tabby after this this evening get clustered going together but I'm I think for LA I'm intentionally not going to submit I don't want to be have that the nerves and anxiety of speaking there when it's the first time I'm going to be catching up with so many people I think I'd rather relax and early so I'll probably take it easy unless a live cluster gets accepted in which case I would do that because I don't really need to rehearse anything okay for the folks who aren't look can you kind of tell everybody what you and do and by the way if you all haven't seen the episode with Thomas Stromberg from you know of mini cube and now he's a equics metal it was I've never this is the greatest debugger of Kubernetes I have ever seen in my life it literally was the most incredible thing I'm I literally my jaw dropped so maybe maybe put a link in there can you talk about the show in general what it is yeah so the concept behind clusters is I saw it would be good to produce materials that help people learn how to administrate and fix Kubernetes and I would give loads of clusters to people in the community they would go and break them in weird and mysterious ways and then I and I guest with a tempter but we try and fix them but what happened this week was we had a special yesterday with Chris Nova and Thomas Strumberg and right off the bat Thomas just said I'm going to take an image of this desk and see what's changed in the last 40 hours and just owned the entire and then Chris Nova is super knowledgeable and put root kits on this machine and fake API servers really went to town on it Nova even named you know the pod deployments in such a way that like it was like Nova has you know bonked this it was it was pretty incredible it was a press shout out Nova like watching just two master chess players go for it and the way Thomas just attacked it with the image looking at what changed breaking it all down there's just so much value and how to debug and even forensic analysis of a disk in that episode that was it's definitely worth checking out I was like sleuth sleuth kit I haven't seen that since 2002 I was like it was pretty amazing so it was definitely cool so any parting words we're all going to go around the herna any parting words for you know folks that are just getting in about oh oh I think we have a special special guest it's Priyanka hello everybody you never you you never know what's going to happen on the wrap up show you all never know oh so nice to be here I feel so cool you know you've always been cool so listen Priyanka yes your thoughts of by the way can we all just Priyanka and the events team and everybody else can we give a nice golf clap you're up Priyanka tell us about it like what's what are you in awe of this week what am I in awe of well everybody in the community all of y'all like this actually has been my you won't believe it but favorite cube gone to date and I just am so impressed by how so many folks came together and like seriously the students really showed up by the way they're all over the event and they're like talking to everyone learning from the more experienced folks here and just that energy has been awesome so I am so grateful to y'all for making this show frankly my best yet fantastic can I come by the way can I sidebar a little shout out to Bill Mulligan Bill Hart that just you've done so much for so many people totally fantastic fantastic so and also shout out to the events team again but Priyanka is there and look I know you it's like mom can't have a favorite child parents favorite children but what was some of your favorite session that you know you were like people can't walking up to you and saying wow these are some really cool sessions uh-huh yes so I personally I'm a little far to the Peloton session I was involved in making it happen and I was so grateful like we got it over the line and I thought the story was so inspiring and awesome because here's the thing Peloton is an example there are so many companies out there who have gone through a similar journey and it just shows how critical cloud native is to all kinds of human experiences that are coming for us through technology so that one I'm partial to I heard really good stuff about the home automation session that was using Raspberry Pi's K3S I think Addie Zendeski who's an AWS developer relations person gave that talk it was a think it was a day one day two talk so that one people are really excited about including my fiancee by the way who is in the world of physical goods like you know smart standing desks and smart devices and stuff and so he was super into that one so those were two and then of course I love my AMA happy hours because I just get to hang out with people so those are some so speaking of hanging out with everybody right directly after this session if you all go to the the mix and mingle hallway track there's going to be a hallway track zoom you never know who's going to show up but I guess who's going to be there our GM Priyanka Sharma is going to be involved and so that's that's going to be awesome so listen before I go around the horn I also want to give a shout out to our co-chair and our two co-chairs which is for the cloud native TV which we've been working for in stealth with the support of the CNCF for the last three months and we're so happy to have unveiled that for everybody we're going to be launching next month and you're going to see some incredible content but a shout out to our again to Priyanka for just supporting us and Bill and all the CNCF but our co-chairs for this are going to be Cat Cosgrove and Mr David Mackay I pronounced it right for the first time so shout out to them for them for this but stay tuned again it's phenomenal what we're doing I'm so excited I'm so touched to be able to bring some amazing content with some of the best in cloud native for you all so let's go around the horn and say give our goodbyes and shout out so maybe we'll start with we'll end with Priyanka so go ahead with David I just want to thank everyone at the CNCF and all the speakers for all the incredible talks this year everyone that participated in the hallway track and everyone chatting on Twitter you're all amazing people and it's a pleasure to be a part of this committee thanks Jason I think my shout out go just to the whole community seeing everybody come together reach out ask questions and just talk about things has been the highlight for me for this cube con Tati I want to say thank you like personally whoever you are because this is why we're all here this has been so much fun for me personally but like because of you like because because we can do things together so thank you Elle I love you speak Brazilian I promise so everyone's asking me to to bring up to the CNCF that we need a cube con Latin America now so we need to have some conversation about that other than that yeah I'm very happy it's a great opportunity to get together with friends and family like like Papa saying like it's not just people who work in the same project it's really a family it's really happy it's really nice to work with everyone and to just interact and like even just coexist with everyone in the same space it's a such a healthy community and yeah very very happy to to have all this I don't know I think it was a very lonely year because of the circumstances but events like this make us feel like like we have a big family again all right Eva I want to thank everyone that works to make the community so amazing everyone from the LF and CNCF staff to my peers on the Dakota Conduct Committee and Steering Committee all the moderators that work on GitHub and Slack and everywhere else and all the way down to all of you the attendees everyone participating in this just making the community so welcoming so inclusive one that I'm so happy to be a part of really thank you all and to our amazing GM Priyanka I am so proud of everyone in Team Cloud Native y'all made this show amazing whether you were attendees whether you were running awesome Twitch streams whether you were the events team everyone really came together and that is who we are that's our ethos so big thank you everyone for being yourself being you bringing your skills and your passion to this community and sharing it it's been beautiful I would also like to say that extra love vibes going to all the regions in the world that are particularly suffering right now I am from India so I'm very close to what's happening over there my family still lives there I've heard stories from Brazil I've heard stories actually from Canada Germany everywhere right and they're all in very different places depending places in terms of how we're dealing with the pandemic depending on where we are and so I just want anyone out there who's having a hard time to know that you have friends in this community you may not be able to get out of the house but if you want to talk to anyone just start your Zoom and tweet out someone will be there to hang out with you I'll do it and I'm sure others will do it too so you have friends you're supported if you need anything just holler we love you all and with that David and I and the rest of this amazing panel we wish you the best go forward help each other and enjoy everything that Qt Cloud Native has