 Anyway, Marguerite. Now, it's going to be fun because you already talked about this earlier. I think that there is, I don't know how things are, and probably this session is going to be learning how things are currently, what we were doing back in the day and what should be doing because, I mean, compare, grow and succeed, something like that. It was really sad because at the beginning, when I joined the Fedora team, I mean, a lot of years back, I had to buy everything because I didn't even knew that there was a sponsorship for buying things, for anything. So all the DVDs and all the banners and all of that, we had to pay it by yourself. It's pretty awesome that now, budgets for conference are really easy. I think that they're too easy, but it can be less easy or have something that is pre-designed. I know that there was some effort for the box. I don't know if that actually went through. You can say that to me, probably. Box? Yeah, there was a box, somebody talk about a box, I don't know, I think I heard it last year or something like that. Maybe it was just an idea. Yeah, a box with everything that you could need for a conference, the banners, the banners. I don't know if it was just an idea. So we used to have something, or we have, I think there's like two in existence, something called like a Fedora case or something like that, and it had like a lot of that stuff in it. But I don't think it was big enough to hold a banner. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that sounds, that would be great. Yeah. And I said, because there's this conference, or that I'm going to be, I'm so sorry. Go for it. There is this conference all around Latin America, it's just called Fli Sol, it's an install fest that happens the same day in every single city that wants to join. There is no official sponsorship, you just have to go and find anything that you can as a local organizer, and there are these country organizers on top of it that try to help all the cities to have the same things. And obviously there is an international team that provides art work and all that, but it's not mandatory to use it. So there's, it's a really relaxed structure, but since I have been organizing that for so many years, I usually receive boxes from all the distributions. It came to my eyes that the most organized box that I got was from Susie. And I will die to have something like that for Fedora. Because at that specific conference, I have to remove my Fedora dessert, because I cannot have preferences because I'm the international organizer. So it's not like, yeah, I use Fedora, everybody knows that, I will always cheer for Fedora, but I cannot say, oh no, you cannot use that because Fedora is the best, I mean, I have to be really neutral on that. Sure, sure. So they gave us a couple of t-shirts, it's not a big box, it's just a really tiny box. It comes in the fold, so they have like a different box every year for the releases. It comes with three t-shirts and three different sizes. It comes with the gecko, the plushy toy. Comes with a really huge amount of stickers from all sizes. And it comes with a couple of magazines. And that's it. That's everything that it has. Sometimes they add probably a DVD, or there was a year that was a really huge year for them. They gave us a tablecloth that was like three meters long, huge, I don't know why. I'm in the local community organizer. But it's the fold. It doesn't matter if it's a huge conference, if it's a small conference, because it's designed mostly to give one item to the organizer and the rest to be given away, either with a souvenir or putting it in a table or making a contest. So I think that for the following conferences that will come, and hopefully the coronavirus help with that, they can have like a really tiny box that can be, as I said, for those on each continent, in each group, on the box. Can I pause you for one second? Yeah, sure. Do we have notes somewhere? About this? For this session, do we have notes? I have no idea. All right. Do you want me to make a document? Yeah, I can just, yeah, just put a build there and I will add all that I have in there. Are you okay with a Google Doc? Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. And then my second question was, and this is something that you see as a marketing initiative? Yeah. Sorting the box together, okay. Yeah, because since I can handle the design, either just using what we already have or doing something new, because I know that the new logo should be coming really soon. I have, you have no idea when that's coming. So don't worry. But we can do something cool. I can give you an update on it. Okay, hold on. Yeah, please. I'm going to summarize kind of some of the points that we've been talking about. So basically review what we've done. Mm-hmm. Mommy? You see what worked and didn't work. Well, I'm sorry. Come on, come on, come on. Okay, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. So update, because with the moving, I have been like one month behind every single schedule in my life, including community's work life. So you want to put together an event box? So are you thinking that this should happen locally or it should happen with like red hat fulfillment and we send it out? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can make something flexible in that case, because I know that we have a lot of regions covered and shipping can be complicated. But I'm sure that, I don't know, we have a lot of marketing team members that are quite active. And also, I think it's just a matter of time before we get back to having in-person events. And when we're able, at the point that we're able to do that, I do suspect that shipping will be easier. Yes. Yes. So I think it's. I don't know if you remember the 10 years t-shirt? I think you probably saw it. So that was a really nice t-shirt. So I have something. I was mentioning earlier about t-shirts being kind of not the best thing to ship. You think we need t-shirts? Or are you agree with that? I wouldn't put it into the list because two things, even if you make them on bulk, they would not fit right to everyone. And it's not just about the width, but also the length and also the cuts. Me as a female, one of the things that I have loved during these battles that I usually have is that I demand to have a female version t-shirt. Because they have a better cut on the waist. They have a really better neck. They're better for our arms. Especially, you know, we have this. So it's more like something more appealing than you just having. I mean, I don't want to feel like a walking flag. It's once you have a t-shirt that makes me feel good as a female, but also represents what I like. And that's a complication. So, Zora, I think that's why t-shirts maybe aren't the best for where we are right now. I'm not again. I will paint a few stickers. I will paint hardly two stickers and banners, big banners. Because you can paint that anywhere. And if you have something that has no language related, something really general with our nice background, the logo and that and that. I mean, I have like four of those. But not everybody has one. I just shared it with you. There are other people. Oh, I'm Gmail. And if there are other people who want to get in on that document, just let me know. I can deal with the permissions. Anyway, I'm going to say, oh, banners, yes, Zine. This is where the Zine should go. Because I think it's easy. It's something that is defaulted in every single country. You have the 90 by 120 this time. And then a gift for the organizer. A tiny gift. Yeah. I was actually just thinking, because when you said the open Sousa, a chameleon or whatever it is, the lizard. How cute it would be to do a fedora panda. I have a pillow with a fedora logo. I have mugs with a fedora logo. Because every single time I wear a fedora, whatever, like a little panda and it was wearing like a fedora t-shirt. I will definitely have them. And I will probably have my desk. And I'm sure that any country reader will love that. Right? Okay. Something really funny. Yeah, but it could be like the gift for the organizer. I mean, that would be something that is unique. I mean, with the gears, I have become like a collector. And I'm sure that I'm not the only one collector of the fedora varieties. Give it a name. I want that. I mean, I have fedora varieties. Something that is pretty strange and nobody has. So I have this poker coins that they did years ago. And I haven't even played poker. I have a 3D fedora printed logo that spot there. I mean, that was awesome. I mean, I have this really tiny gadgets and logos of fedora in different presentations. But every single time that I open a drawer or see my, I don't know, my closet or anything, it's like, you're part of this. I can brag about this. I can show this and see I have it. Because I did something. And that's the thing that I see a lot of. I mean, I contribute, but I don't get recognition. I don't get the attention that I probably was expecting from the team. So maybe something really tiny. It can be just something really tiny that tells you once again, hey, you matter. Here's something especially designed for you. Because again, sometimes we, we try to think and I think that has been a mistake because of the joining race. We should go there. No, for now we should take care of the current contributors. So they feel special again. And once more, they want to bring more people into the community. So, okay, I'm going to pause you. Because I go too fast. I think your brain is just like, it's shooting for like the stars. You get started on something and you get going. So I'm trying to just structure this a little bit though. I want to comment on what you said. I totally agree with you. I don't know if you are in the lightning talks, but I did a little talk about my rise idea. So my rise idea is it's an acronym so that you need these four things for an effective or to effectively have a healthy community. Recognition, incentives, support and empowerment. So anyway, I definitely am behind you on the recognition and the support. And that is actually why I had the outreach, the interns, the one I mentored, do all of those infographics, which you've probably seen. Yeah. So that was a whole, you know, recognition type of a thing. And it can actually be cool. Um, sorry, give me one second. Okay. It probably could be tied into whatever marketing strategy we come up with. Because first of all, they're newly done and they have like the entirely the fedora look and feel and they're going to be in the Z. And I just think it's kind of like this. We have something to base them stuff on. So that's what we want to incorporate. But I did post the link here to just the marketing page. I want to look at that and see like how up to date is this. You mentioned at the beginning, like we want to talk about what we used to do and what our responsible abilities were in the past. I'm just curious if this page is up to date. No. It says it was updated on April 2020. Let's check the edits. We're done by them because probably with this. I mean, it's spread news. So is it user groups to country with the Torah. Spun myths and educate. Educate. I mean, it's. I mean, it should be more. Too much. If you should hide. Okay, so the last actual edit was on the 2017. And it was just. It was like it's in 2017, then all of the 16. 15. That's it. So it's technically the same page since 2012. If that answers your question. Oh, yeah. Yeah, too much. So I don't see. I don't see. I mean, I love the magazine. I love the podcast. I mean, all of that is ways to spread to the world, right? But I am trying to challenge right now. I'm looking here though, you know, about the goal of the marketing group. You know, it's from here I'm looking at it. You know, it's kind of this user faced goal or objective. It's like, hold on. Aim to support. Okay. What we do. Sorry. I'm just reading. Yeah. Getting caught up in it. Highlight on the creative materials for fedora ambassadors. Well, for fedora contributors. For events. For events. For events. My English is. Basic enough to be understood. Mentor bring your contributors. That's Joey. That should not be marketing. I think I think marketing. And it's not that I want to. Change what marketing does. I just said the name marketing because. I just spread fedora in a more effective way. One of my worries. So the way that you describe it is different than what's on the website. This website says. Ensure that fedora ambassadors know. What fedora is. Can explain. Why the project can help them and how they can help the project. I do think that's. A valid. Goal. But I think that. I don't know. I'm like, I guess I'm like. For me I'm thinking about like. Are we focusing on. Users are we focusing on like are we focused on. Users are we focused on enriching the experience for our current contributors are we. Focused on like outreach like. I think that. The way that you go about marketing something is kind of could be different for. Different goals. So I guess. This to me kind of seems like. Like we're limiting. Or. Just I think if it's this precise, like we should re-evaluate like is this the goal that we. Want to continue to have. You know you were talking about. Ever should answer better than me. When he's missing next. National data. He wasn't there either. Oh yeah I was at the beginning of the. But then I had to go and run and cook. I mean I just don't it's not like I want to. Re-bump the marketing team. I just said the name because marketing at the end is. Writing things right so. So okay this is an idea. I guess I'll just talk about this since. We're at that level that base level of things. Something I had thought about was. So. I think you and I had this discussion where like. Oh websites team is a failure or. You know. Non-mops isn't functioning anymore or above like. You know we're seeing all these things as failures. Instead of an evolution or. Hey we did. You know we took a misstep somewhere. But we don't necessarily need to consider this a failure. We need to look at a place to grow. So. Yeah. Part of. One of the first things I was actually looking at. But life COVID. I don't know. Shit happened and. I feel like. Some of the ideas and projects I had. Like. Coming up January into February kind of just died. So. Something that I was working on was an org chart or like. Something of a reorg. And one thing that I had talked about was. Including the marketing marketing team in with the design. Currently. The design team is not meeting. They are semi I would say they're semi active. Decently active on their pejor repo. So they're doing the work. But they're not meeting. Which is fine I think. And. And yeah I talked to them all about it. For anybody who's watching this that's the design team leader. I talked to her about it and she was like yeah whatever you need to do or whatever you think is best if we're willing to work with that and like. I think. Doing a little bit of condensing with some of the teams. It's a good idea. So my idea was to just. Kind of. Bring marketing and design together. Now the other thing we have to think about I think it's like. They're separate repos. They're separate channels. They're separate. All of this stuff. Both of them. So that does create. Something of an issue. In the idea of like bringing them together because you have two. Channels for communications but. I don't know something we could think about. A little bit more I actually have someone in mind. For. The marketing team. Were you able to watch the keynotes this morning. No I was to see Leslie. That's okay. You're lucky. Well. There's a. In. She's a. She's on. In. And she actually has a background in marketing and I was. You know she was like how could I get involved in fedora. I don't know. And I'm like. This would be a great place. So I have. I'm like. Do some recruitment. And it was like talking it up a little bit you know how. I've been doing for the ambassadors. Yeah. And. You know that. Starting to kind of get on its way. So I do envision. Like a full revamp or marketing and design to kind of. Merge. So how do you see that like like marketing making. You know what I mean. I think. I think. I think having marketing. Like. So if marketing has like a vision of like what we're trying to. To kind of do. Right. Um. I think. Some design tasks. We'll have nothing to do with. Like. Marketing. Nothing to do with. And I think other things. We would collect. I think. I think. I think. We have nothing to do with. And I think other things we would collaborate very closely on. And I think we could collaborate. Like a variety of ways. But like. For example. Say if the marketing team came up with a campaign. Um. Like a we are fedora campaign. And we came up with all the different ideas of the things we. Wanted to do. And then we can bring that. You know. To the design. First of all. I think we should include them with the idea ideation part. Because they're really creative people. So that's a chance for us to all sit down and say what. What can we do. Here's the idea. Here's the core of the campaign. Um. Like say. We are fedora campaign. And then we all sit down and say well like. I have the skills to edit together a video. And I have. Um. Skills to organize the whole thing. We're all. And I have the skills to make. You know. Um. So that's kind of my thoughts. You know. Kind of like a creative agency would. Yeah. Exactly. That's what that's what I would like. Because at the end. We're trying to promote a product. Is a free product. But it's a silver product. Right. Right. And that's that's what I don't see us. Going right now. Right so. So I guess my question is. Right. Yeah, right, so I guess my question is, is the marketing team slash design team's goal, is our focus on, like, is it on new users, is it on getting new contributors, is it showing off what we're currently about, is it about, you know, making our current contributors feel good? So I think there's all these different campaigns that can be run underneath this. Yeah. And actually, I have a really cool thought, which is, we should, I knew we should merge this, this specific workshop because I, yeah, my thought is, I think we should have a marketing intern for the winter outreach session. That's not true. Now, what? That's yours. I'm just going to say that, but I don't think that would be helpful. No, it would not be for me, it would be to do this project. Yeah. No, no, I meant because of the- Oh, okay, like it would be like a, we would have a, I mean, I would probably mentor or co-mentor, like with you or something like that or like Edward, like the three of us could do it together. I think it would be a really joy because I have the design part and the crazy creative one, but I mean, you have the more wide perspective and Edward has the more in-depth marketing perspective. This is someone who has to be influenced by several teams to do a good job and something that even if we want each one of us individually, we'll not do it. Right? It's a strategy. You need a team to do that. So I think what we would want them to do is focus on writing campaign strategies. If they do the, if they like, say we had five different ideas we chose or four, whatever, four different ideas we chose with some solid, like this is wide, this is the background history and then they write up like, this is, you know, how much you're going to tweet and this is how many blog posts and whatever the whole strategy for the entire thing. That's what I would like to see. One of us have to do, you know, and so we can just, once we have that campaign strategy or, you know, whatever outline that we can implement it. So I'm just adding on the notes, I'm just adding to have an intern to work with both teams and create a main campaign. So probably the main campaigns to start with will be one to showcase what is currently being done, but probably more personally, but that's something that can be developed. What is currently being done? Second, probably will be the, a small recognition package for organizing conferences or talks or that, small. Thank you. I'm just going to be one of them. Why should I write? Because I have a secretary who doesn't know the word for me. Anyway, here we go. I was trying to go to both type things. Yeah, but do you think that they go in the same? Because one thing is you are doing this amazing job of building this or maintaining this for the distribution. And then the other will be more into the joint ambassador mentor side. Oh, you have been doing an amazing job by bringing people to contribute. So it will be two separated, probably things. One is about technical accomplishment and the other is about human accomplishment. You should write this up in here. That's something that I don't know if you were the one who said earlier today or yesterday that one thing was the technical side and the other was the human side. I mean, when we talk about contributors, it usually divides into two sections. So we should tap those sections. And this person should help us to coordinate how are going to be this during pandemic, small, medium and big events. And where we as a group can do to help to make them really look really professional. Because that's probably one of the things that attract the most users. But there doesn't seem like a group of crazy people who don't have a life. It looks like a group of professionals who build something. At least that's why I joined most of the people that I have been with me. That's what they see. So we need to try to keep that professionally. One of the things that I love was how this Nest conference was built. And I believe me, I have gotten to a really huge amount of conference during these five months online. And this was like, I mean, rocket. It was just amazing. The coordination, the availability, how you can just join anything and you can participate and you can have your face there and everybody can chat and basically are a strange thing from. Yeah, it made my lack of guide, but I was happy with it. But that kind of things should come with a strategy for those who are not used to this kind of conference, because we are a minority. We like it or not. The people who have been going to conferences for years, either small, medium or large, it's not the rule. So how can we help those who are not used to that to have a really professional looking conference? And that actually comes with results. So that's my main goal there is I really like conferences. I mean, I have tried to provide as much design and ideas and really tiny things to make everything look really neat, but this pandemic era isn't brand new for anyone. So if we could also wrap that up and how that can give like a brief summary of that one. Yeah. I created a new strategy for this COVID era conferences, and we can divide it into small and medium because the large ones are going to be organized by, you know, the full staff. But the small and the medium ones are the ones that need help. We are having once a month war press conferences, really small of the friends that live in my city and some that moving to the place that I'm living now, because it's really close. And I'm having like from 30 to 45 people connected using Meetup. It's a it's a website that you pay a subscription. So Mozilla pays the subscription for that. It's like 30 bucks or something. And they keep connected through that. And it's really cute because you have recordings and and you can set the pictures if you took a picture and gives you notifications through email. So it kind of keeps you on the loop. And a week before the conference, it says, hey, you know, we're going to have some reminders, post reminders. Hey, this is how you look or this was your screen shot during the conference. How are you? It was good. It was good. So also has some pools, which I can actually happen has some of this functionality, except I didn't have access to the platform very early. So yeah, that's time. And we can start learning more about it and figuring out how to use more of its functionality. The tools are there. But we need someone to help us. But I think my question is like for me, it's less about like that's my job, right, to figure out how the different features work and to inform everybody about that. For me, it's more like, well, I think we would like to get more people at the conference. I think that would be like a great goal for the marketing team to try. Like, what kind of campaign strategy can we use? Where can we go to get more of the right people here? Yeah. So for me, when I think about how to make more appealing the conference, how to have the right content, how to help them have a really neat presentation, how to make an effective spreading campaign before the conference, and how to make an effective post contact, post event contact campaign for them to keep in touch. But that's helping the either the people from join or ambassadors so they can stay in touch. And then you come with the mentors, some of them, but they have to, they need to have something to start with. And small conferences like that, you know, let's just talk about how to install the new photographers. Let's just talk about how to make a, I don't know, whatever. So small conferences that look professional just like this. Not because this is big, but every single conference, even if you have five, 45, 300, or a thousand people, they should look professional for them. Yep. You have your, I don't know, your presentation background. You have either physical sticker or online sticker. But you have something there. I don't know why my video always stop when I'm making funny faces. It just knows. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'm really excited about this. Oh, what's it going to say? I don't know. Sorry, I'm excited because I just cook for the first time. Chicken. Be serious, like hard kidneys and all that. It comes into play. And I was like, I don't know, this is not going to be good. Wow. I'm about to have some ramen and I'm pretty excited about that. It's delivering, actually, maybe very soon. Yes, ramen is delicious. That's OK. How long have we been here? I don't see the time span. We've been here about four minutes. Yeah, it's OK. This was actually the time that I had in mind, like an hour. I think you said a hour and a half, but an hour. Right. I mean, I'm just. So I think that there's a lot more to discuss. I feel like, yeah, I'm a little concerned about, you know, it just being me and you here right now. Like, I feel like we need more input. And I almost feel like this could be this marketing thing could be something that we talk about at a Mindshare committee meeting. I think we'd have like a lot of good input there. And like, we could even open a ticket on the Mindshare committee reposting, you know, basically like requests for a revamp if we're giving me out these days. Let's do one over there. What I think that I'm going to do after the meeting ends, I will try to annoy Eleanor to answer me. It doesn't matter if it's tomorrow, probably he's just taking the day off with the family. And once I get his input from the marketing side, then I will open the ticket. Because I think that, yeah, as you said, it's just not changing how things work. It's just bringing people to work together more efficiently. So if we don't present this as a change, but as a collaborative work, something that is temporal to see how it works, then if everything works as we want to, then we can make some changes. So it's smoothly. So we don't have those drama that we had with the MS course. OK. Well, I might just write in the session chat that we finished up our meeting and to look forward to the recording. Yay. Thank you for being here. Of course. Hi, Miss Yeo. Have a good ramen in my name. And Abby, if you have beer. No. Why? Oh, my. This is recorded. I mean, I mean, what happens when we're adults? That's true. You know what I was thinking at the end of the day, yesterday and Friday, I said, man, I really wish I was looking at some foreign menu and trying to interpret it for myself or interpret an English menu for a friend and then have multiple cocktails. That would have been a nice, you know, I just wonder on the streets, you know, walking and laughing. Yeah, it was like. That's great. I think we're in Budapest, definitely. So soon, let's spread out. We can overcome this awful disease that's packed up all the world and just go back to normal. With new rules, I get it. I get it, but. Well, you know, I think once a vaccine's in place, we're going to be in a great way, better spot. Yes. Yes. All right, I got to run. I'm sure that it would have, but. I got to run. Thanks, everyone, who was watching Bobo.