 I love the premise of this show smart people talking about dumb shit I think it's dumb people talking about smart shit. Oh, we go where we're not supposed to go, baby Yep, Shalameen the guy Andrew Schultz. We are the brilliant idiots podcast and Today's guest is an American stand-up comedian actor and writer He's best known for his work on SNL where he serves as co-anchor on weekend update and co-head writer alongside Colin Joss He also co-hosted the 70th primetime Emmy Awards in 2018 He was briefly a correspondent for the Daily Show with John Stuart and has previously worked on a writer for Saturday Night Live I think I already said that at the end of September 2014 he became a weekend update co-anchor for the 40th season of SNL Alongside Colin Joss replacing Sicily Strong. I think I pronounced her name, right? They didn't have none of his old Endorsements like most people's bios do I know that's that's actually Probably recent man because I've had some awful awful awful worse bios. Yeah, okay Just shit. That's like I don't even know what bring that Michael a little close to the ellipse pause on my back There you go. Yeah, let's see Michael I'm gonna take some man. I really really really really slept on your TV show. Yo, we're doing it And by slept on it, I didn't see it and yeah two weeks ago I watched it two weeks ago during the Memorial weekend Yeah, and I watched and you benched it I benched it because you know the episode the quick they're like 19 minutes I watched the whole season and I'm like, you know, this shit is really really dope. I appreciate you man Yeah, for real. Thank you for coming you to and for sure man. I really appreciate that. Thank you I was it was fun. It was like, uh, you know, it felt like the seller to me Like that's like what the writer's room was. Yeah, it was just a bunch of comedians kind of just talking shit Arguing arguing arguing and then you'll write that up. That could be funny Yeah, and then they were together and we just got it done. No, that scene was dope because it's like, uh, I Didn't know Amy Schumer and method man would be in the You got everybody out My favorite episode I'm not gonna say favorite but one of my favorites because I liked a lot of them was the Episode where your man got shot We couldn't afford the call-in ambulance Ride share but then the ride share wouldn't take y'all cuz he wasn't wearing a mask Yes, but it made so much sense of like not just the hypocrisy, but it's almost like I Don't want can I say I talk about it? Oh, please. Okay. The guy's necking on the train, right? Yeah But he's got a mask on yeah These two Shane is man don't have a mask on so they can't go everybody's on the train yelling that Nobody got nothing to say to him. I don't know what the word is analogy metaphor that but it was the perfect Whatever one of those words are to describe the world that we're in right now. Yeah, I'm glad you watched it man That's fucking dope. No, it's a it's a weird thing like I think that's where kind of most of My favorite bits come from is literally just arguments and frustration Yeah, and and then you know just kind of blowing it out like what a show like that you get to blow it You can't do it as much on SNL because it's live TV. It's not just your show the real estate's a lot smaller But like you know when you're doing your own thing like y'all know like you do your own thing You could actually do what it is you want to do you can get right to it So it's a little bit more fun. Do you feel like you're you're conforming on SNL? Yeah, of course you but you have to I think that's part of What makes SNL a little bit special? It's like what you can't do also Makes what you do cool so when you do see something exciting and when it does hit the mark it has way more impact because you understand the rules and What can't be done? You know what I mean? Yeah, it's not here. Yeah, well you could say whatever you want It's not it's not as whatever but like when you have a platform where it's live and you're getting very close to that line It's like yeah parts that like and you go without going over. Yeah, it makes a lot more exciting. I think have you seen Chase stand up Yeah, I saw what special that I think is one of the best alive But now the stand-up you got to check the stand-up man I mean the thing I like about um, you know even the show is rooted in the stand-up I think those it feels it feels like stand-up. Yeah, I don't know you correct me if I'm wrong here about yourself But like I think when you start thinking in jokes the sketches are a reflection of that premise boom It's like a visual to the joke. Exactly. That's all it is. That's what I like. Yeah, like even with the subway thing It's like You're seeing that going this is ridiculous the way people act on a fucking train I got to wear a mask and these people don't even got clothes on like I can see that as a bit Yeah, yeah, but now you get to see the naked dude. You get to see all these things turn into That's the ill thing because like like I'd never had a sketch background on I started, you know, I started a stand-up Yeah, so when I got to SNL I came in as a guest writer and I never wrote sketches before so I didn't know You know, I didn't know what I was doing, but I you know, I ended up getting the job Because what I didn't know at the time Stand-ups are very premise rich. Yeah So if you ever, you know, if you ever have a writer's room having stand-ups in the room is great Because we always kind of find the jokes with premise rich and we can punch up Yeah, so there's always kind of a place for us And then once you start kind of understanding the logic of like just building out the world because what like for joke You write kind of what your perspective is. Yeah for a schedule for a script You kind of write what everybody's perspective is so that it's constantly, you know, it's a little bit It's a lot more round. What do you mean by that? Well meaning that like if I'm telling the joke I'm talking about my experience specifically, but if I'm writing a script I gotta keep everybody I gotta keep says Sicily a lot Alive, you know, I give jokes to literally everybody everybody that have a punch line everybody's gotta set up a joke It's not everybody in the sketch is gonna be funny. Yeah, you build a world It forces you to kind of write broader Yeah, and you have to write from other perspectives. That's right a stand-ups. We're just going how do I feel about this? Exactly, but that's all I care about. I'm not even joking. I need to but I care about a comedian's Personal perspective on things. That's why I don't take offense because that's that person's Personal perspective. I think that sometimes they look at comedians and say that's him So I'm gonna use his perspective as everybody's worldview and I'm gonna try to take out him But if I take out him then I can take out this worldview this ideology. I don't agree with yeah Yeah, I think that that you teach yourself out of a lot of comedy thinking like that, you know like like Like I think people liked Archie Bunker not because he was a bigot But like because he was a bigot, but not because they were bigots, too That's right just because they understood where he was coming from. I believe that guy, you know, man That's my dad or that's my grandfather or that's my neighbor or whatever it is So I think sometimes we kind of got to be able to laugh at people even that we disagree with right Oh, yeah Birds one of my favorite comedians, but I don't agree with almost anything he says, but it's like funny to watch him Yeah, do what he does. I agree with something Birds out of his mind Reality show joke That shit No, no, he's he's he's one of no, he's he's absolutely busy. Yeah, I think that people get confused it like comedy Comes from a feeling that you have and we can have feelings that are wrong Like comedy a lot of times is like your knee jerk reaction Like, you know, someone cuts you off the thing that you think about that person is the funniest way to describe them Yeah, right, but it's not right and then a minute later. You're like goddamn How do I even fucking think that way about that person? So if we could look at like I was trying to say this the other day, but like You know how like you can kill someone and it's okay if it's a crime of passion Like if you see somebody now, but like if you see someone fucking your wife Like you could kill him and you could not go to jail forever because it was like I couldn't control myself Man, we must be great to be white People passionate I think you know how you can kill somebody like, huh? There's a lot of love in our community, bro, I don't know what to tell you We really value them and when someone fucks them we get upset. So what's this hypothetical scenario you're saying? Like this is guys It's a I guess what I'm trying to say is like that knee jerk reaction is is for whatever reason like it's not as bad And I think if people saw comedy like that then they would appreciate it And also understand it a little bit more It's like the Archie Bunker is tapping into this feeling either you had or a feeling that you know Your dad had or somebody else had and you know that a feeling is real, but you know is wrong No, you I think you 100% correct I always I always feel like comedy is speed, right? Like it's so it's always the fastest reaction that connects everybody So that's why the laugh comes immediate or that's how you get a room full of people to laugh at the same thing It's got to connect honestly the fastest you almost laughing before you even have time to price involuntary Yeah, it's involuntary. So I think like, you know, when people say honest comedians, they're talking about People think more so on the lines of what's true after you thought about it and not the honest reaction that people Actually have in the moment, which is what really connect Go through the filter of cerebronist before they go through the filter of emotion That's why that's the only reason I disagree with the I'm saying I want to the motion and then we can pack something cerebral around it I'll take a beat though. We do and that all comes Later It's the quick when you like when you first start a joke like in this in the first Part you you try to get the reaction. I gotta wear a mask and this dude's naked You barely breathe this guy's dick is out in the subway and you're like, this is stupid Yeah, that well that is the premise. That's the idea But then building out the world that you got you got is what we do after facts Now I would say maybe that's the only inauthentic thing that we do is that we're acting like this is this knee-jerk thing When it is something that we've had months to process and make it beautiful That's what comedy is it is it's groundhog day three months in Got you like we figured out the day But we got to act with all these people throughout the day like we haven't figured it out Got you got you got you. That makes sense. It makes it I only reason I push back on that just because that's what happened this week not to get too dark You know the guy the rapper trouble. Oh, yeah He was at a young ladies house and I guess the guy I don't know I guess I don't know what relationship him and the woman had but he came in upset and ended up shooting them You know what I mean? Oh, and to me. It's like yes I didn't know I was using that as I know that that could be considered a crime of passion But it's still stupid as fuck to throw your life away. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you know for sure But I think but I guarantee you like Andrew just said if you's like what happened to that guy Oh, somebody killed a white. Well, he caught him fucking his wife. Oh If you got a wife It's not make it okay. Yeah emotional Emotional reaction you see how that could happen. I don't think that was his wife. Do I get what you saying? Yeah, and that's all we're appealing to is the emotion take my wife, please is emotion Yeah, I want you to take your wife, but it a little bit. You're like, all right Yeah, it's human connection It's human connection is going to a place to hear the motherfucker say your inner thoughts that you've been suppressing or that don't have an outlet to Say yourself and articulate in the way that you're like, yes, that's true. That I believe and make you laugh So it's so it's funny. So you really role play with prostitutes. Absolutely not I Because that's the thing nowadays you watch things and I'm like, I did show is called, you know, that damn Michael She is he's playing himself. No, no, no, no, never never did that but but isn't it role play every time you fucking prostitute She's role-playing Acting into it. She's not she's not actually she's at work Like she wants to get through it as quick as possible Right like she's Yeah If you gotta think about it definitely I've paid a stripper back in the day. Yeah, that's No, that's not prostitution. That's well, she's a prostitute once she does it providing a service guy Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it. Yeah. Yeah, but you you fuck cookers, bro Hey, well when she starts accepting money for sex, then she transitions It doesn't matter what she identifies as this is the job a hyphen job. Yeah, those young hyphenates. So They need to give like Awards for strippers that make niggas think Should be a best actress That would be hilarious The hookies now do you think Comedy scene for both of y'all really We're not done with this hooker conversation. So you've had sex with a prostitute. Yeah, I've had sex with a prostitute Y'all in New York, though. I always I didn't do it in Jersey same thing and I did it in Amsterdam really Oh, you went to the Anonymous with New York always growing up Amsterdam. I had to do it. Yeah, it was like I just like I had to do never heard that We say I've heard Amsterdam. You got a small weed. No, no, no, man Right like district right like district. Yeah Anything you can imagine terrible, but I had to do it. How was it? It was bad. It was bad. It was it was sex with a Lifestyles condom. It was awful I That's why he didn't go wrong. Yeah, well the professional some people pay for that. I wasn't in love I Am an intimate cancer I have a level I've always had a level okay So when you're when you have a level you're used to being at that level, right? That's why you don't go down like you know what I mean you go down on the girl that you paid Is she put I didn't look at her as a stripper. She was a nice young lady. Yeah in the club Things can be true. She could be a nice stripper. Yeah, you see I don't worry about the occupation didn't bother me But you paint when you paint very nice. She's still paying money I wasn't paying her for the transaction. What were you paying? Probably not but you know, I'm not just so happy you gave it to me Stop giving her that money like to the relationship change. Oh, cool. If you think about it you tricked her. Yeah There is something to that though, that's why No, there is something to that like I have to have I've always had to have some type of read relationship With a woman. Yeah, that's why I've never been like I like I've never been good at like the cheating thing Yeah, define good What do you mean define good at the cheating thing like what would make you good at it? Yeah, being able just to hit it and keep it moving right and not think about the the person Now some might make the argument that it would make you a worse cheater that you needed to have a whole emotional connection No, I think that's something that was lacking in me. I felt like I needed to have that emotional I didn't want to feel like I was using somebody Ah, you know what I mean? I didn't want to feel like I was just using someone for sex You did that shea on the show. I don't know why you sitting acting like you didn't do that You know everything you're saying I relate to like I understand everything you're saying. I just know I've never been in denial You're not saying nothing wrong Because you was role playing with her Why are you trying to push it on him though? You don't do it in the show And you know, I've heard my wife listening to brand idiots every now and then So I'm just trying to put this out there the right way. This is the long long long long long Long time. So then say what you're trying to say like it baby. If I ever cheated it's because I really like them I just fucking ain't mean nothing Fucking them girls don't get right back Right gotta quote home to get out of some of this shit Give me a towel Got me in here sweating talking about my transgressors. I was trying to talk to michael shade about his tv show What do you mean with what with sex? No, for sure. That's why I role play with prostitutes I do I want them to believe I want to believe that they're into I've only said with one prostitute But I want to believe that they actually like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you probably talked to her Yeah, like You said if a girl what would she say if a girl stopped talking to us after we had sex with them would we Oh, yeah, yeah, you'd feel away. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Was that the premise of talking to the therapist? No, I that came later it to me it was It wasn't a really a joke about the therapy It was more if it wasn't a joke about the process was more joke about the therapy But I'm so unlikely to go to therapy that I'll open up with a prostitute role playing therapy. That's the way I'd go It was more about me being able to open up to somebody And this was a way of me doing it, you know what I mean? Wow So that that's the heightened as that is a prostitute Okay, do you find it hard to open up to a therapist though in real life? Oh, yeah for sure I think it's hard for me to to even initiate that conversation with somebody Like initiate that act of getting a therapist. Ah, yeah I think it's that black man. Dr. Shit, you know, you know today falling off you I've been going to therapy for like six years. I know you you kind of like you've changed Culture in a lot of ways where it's a lot more acceptable. I think you're part of the reason I think a lot of people from our community go to therapy But I it didn't work on me. It didn't work. No, I'm still I'm still not going but I understand like, you know, a lot of people I wonder if because comedians are so nuanced with life though I think it's because we got to outlet. That's what I think we have a place to go So I know that's probably not enough. But I think for us we like, I got a spot It's like why I don't go on vacation because I travel Uh, but is it is I wonder if it's like a vulnerability thing Like it's more vulnerable to go up there and say something without the punchline like to say the true feeling Like you're forced to deal with why you do what you do Like why do you need the audience's approval? How does it feel if you don't like that could be true? But I don't think that's that's true for me. That doesn't feel true for me. Sounds like someone who's never been to therapy I feel like I'm in therapy right now So Because that's real and made me think about it's like, oh, yeah being able to tell the truth without a punchline That's that's like it's not as scary when you have some of the land on right? You have conversations with people where you're not fucking digging for a punchline. That's not true I've never heard two comedians have a conversation in the last don't come a mile a second That's not okay. I'll give you all a minute and a mile. There's a lot of more arguing There's a lot of a lot of a lot of yelling. Yeah a lot of screaming But I can't believe you're not you don't do stand up Did you see how I started sweating just sitting here trying to have a fucking conversation about hookers? But prior to the past couple of months, right? Stand up is literally the most dangerous thing in the world Getting on that mother fuck not the y'all you fucking maniacs getting on that stage And having to make a room full of people laugh On purpose. I don't know. That's not dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, not that you season professionals What's worse that could happen. They don't laugh. They're coming there to laugh. That's all good You know, I mean they pay money. They're like, I'd really like to laugh and they're looking at you like Hey, please do the thing that I really want you to do You know, I think like early in your career you perform in these places where it's almost like They threw up a show and people doing that laundry. They didn't even know they were going to get a comedy show. That's tough But you know, you go into the comedy club that somebody's been waiting two weeks to go see They're ready to laugh. It gets easier and easier. Yes This is coming from Michael Shea and Andrew Shokes. Yeah, think about the think about y'all 10 years ago 15 years ago and y'all were just trying to make it getting up on stage for the first time My first time on stage was at an open mic at um What was it comedy corner? Remember comedy corner on mcgoogle? You had an open mic there And it was it went terrible, you know, but it was like I knew immediately. This is what I want to do. Like it was it was already it was already Fun, even when it was bad. It's like what somebody like hand you a game. You don't know how to play first You know, let me try it again. Like immediately I was going up every day all all the time. Why tell me why? Well, like wouldn't even though you The biggest thing that I remember was the view Something about being on stage and looking at everybody looking back. I was like, I just love that perspective I don't know what it was. But that was like intoxicating being on stage You remember the first joke that you did that got laughs consistently No Consistently god. No It took a while Do you Yeah And it was like Yeah, I mean it was just like a silly misdirection joke. What was it? I was kind of fucked up That's good. It was some contact with you. Right. Let's put a year on it But yeah, it was just like what's the premise first of all It's like I like when girls talk dirty during sex, you know, I just hate it when they say the same thing over and over again like So With that hoodie on I like trying to get me to go first In the beginning it's like I'm I'm still trying to like learn how everything works And then I figured like oh, wow I like I brought people to this one interesting place and then took them to a very different dark place And they reacted in bond the involuntarily it's different for everybody, obviously But what would you say? Because I always feel like uh Your first Five to ten years of comedy is survival. Yeah, and then the rest then you start to slowly Have something to say and try to say that but But the most part you're just trying not to bomb for so long and you think the longer you're killing the better Comedian you are as opposed to actually developing into a like a teller or a or an actual comedian You know what I mean? I don't know how long it took for you. I think it took me about Six years before I wasn't In survival boat anymore six or seven years or so And then and then after that it kind of started to feel like I'm getting on stage because there's something I'm trying to I'm trying to crack the code It's like graduating to like Jedi. I guess I don't think it's great. I think it's it's it's desire There's different between survival And then like enjoyment. Yeah, and and when you're excited to tell the jokes Yes Because you already know you can survive even if it gets kind of fucked up that doesn't mean that we don't bomb Still, I mean like shit. I'm I'm gonna be bombing my ass off. Well now I'm developing new hour or whatever, but like There's a difference between like I really want to tell these jokes and I hope these jokes work So I don't feel shitty after this show, right? And I think that's what you're saying and yet how many years in Because there's a lot of there's a lot of comedians too Who I always feel like are so funny and so talented But their development gets stunning because the rooms they play are so competitive. They never get past where they've killed Yeah, they never they're not willing to because they don't want to be the one that bombs So they're trying to keep that kill going for as long as they can and they never Grow so they stay in their room. They stay and they they stay with that material That's called the uh zone of excellence. I'm reading this book right now called the big leap fantastic book Yeah, because it's all about self sabotage and how we intentionally don't allow ourselves to be happy and they was like, you know Right before the zone of genius a lot of people get stuck in the zone of excellence and the zone of excellence Excellence looks great because you know you you might be on television you on the radio You're making money on your stand up like you're there you're you're you're winning But you don't never get to that zone of genius because you're afraid to not be comfortable. Yeah Yeah, there's like yeah, I feel like in comedy. It's like there's the thrill of of a new bit for a while And then the excitement to tell a bit that you really believe in and then Something happens where like the excitement goes so You chase the kill And that's when I need to like Stop myself Because when I'm just chasing a kill I'm going the only reason I'm feeling good about telling this is if I get this crazy reaction Instead of going okay. I've got this joke to a good place. How can I make it better? Or what's the new joke? But that kill zone is what you're saying like motherfuckers get locked in that zone and they're killing so they don't realize Yeah, that the growth isn't there Now, yeah, it's the trip to see That's why I would never do stand-up. No, it's a lie. You know, no, I'm gonna I because I know me I know I need the validation And so if I get on that stage And don't get that validation From the crowd just go up tomorrow. No, I'm gonna be questioning the fuck out of myself about everything not just that stand-up Everything not just what happened on that stage. I'll be questioning myself about life Yeah, you know what I mean every single thing. Well, that's the challenge What Question yourself. Yeah No, no, no, you're right. You're right Everything that you're afraid of is not that scary. It's just literally Inconvenient you sound like a therapist. That's why I don't need that Think about all the times that you've actually thought about something going wrong. Yeah, and how many times it has actually gone wrong It could go wrong. But once it's gone wrong, then what you yeah, that's the that's the thing. It's not That it won't go wrong. It's that yeah once it goes wrong, then what? Once it goes wrong, it goes viral. No, well for you. Yeah, because people are probably going to be waiting for you to bomb, but like They will Or you like to see people go on them dark in the days, bro All them dark in the days, man. They're gonna be on your ass, bro Look at tip like tip did stand up and they and they Try to catch him at a lot of his worst moments. Yeah, and now that that's done He can no one cares. He's free now. He's free to do whatever he wants Yeah, because the worst is happening. That is not true and you know, that's absolutely No, no, that's how you've seen of the park place, bro. I literally just asked somebody the other day is T I still doing stand up. Oh, because I haven't seen him since That's what I'm saying This is where he's gonna get good because now no one really cares. He can actually develop. He can try He can fail. It's not gonna be he doesn't have to read about it the next day He can literally this is where you get good. I can be wrong, man But I just feel like stand up is not something you do once you get to a certain age You know what I mean? I just it's my personal wrong. You're wrong. I'm wrong. I just don't feel like, you know Stand up might not be something that you do once you get to a certain level of fame Because it's very difficult. Oh, no, that's about to be the new thing. It's difficult But it's it's fun to me. It's like Yeah, I don't know anybody who other than Eddie Murphy That was all the way entrenched and wasn't a life You know what I mean? Yeah always end up doing it again. Even Eddie is like still kind of making deals You know what I mean? Like You can't shake it because there's no there's no reaction. Everybody about to be running the stand-up soon You know how was the podcast rush for now? I was gonna stand up. Are you about to see it? I doubt it They just gotta try once Which why because it's hard man That's my point when you get on that stage And you talking to all of these people you say the wrong thing and they just looking at you like word Word and don't let them start booing. They might you know what go can handle that even if they do well Go tonight now. This is yeah Che I don't count No, it does trust me man. Sometimes like You you bugger. He's he's bugging I think you just wish you would have done it. Yes. Now you're making excuses as That's what I think I take it back. You know what though? I know, you know, maybe that's too late You already said you do no no because I was watching the carlin doc this weekend And I was like, oh shit carlin used to do radio You know what I mean? So did it have me thinking like oh shit And then you know, I think about people like you who say oh, you should have done stand-up And I'm like, oh, damn. Maybe did I maybe I should have Done some stand-up. I think you have the brain for stand-up. I think you could do it But I think that you did exactly what you're supposed to do. I agree like your skill set I agree is is perfect. Oh, yeah, you're fine. You did you did okay. Thank you, but I'm saying that shit But I'm saying you would have a lot of fun doing stand-up. Yes now. I like this I literally like this. I like sitting around stand-ups that do this. You can't it's not mutually exclusive the other things You know, you know, I just end up sitting down on me Exactly doing it. Yeah I I'm thinking back to what you what you were saying about that that kills on I want I have empathy for like The comics that are like coming up or or just start making a living and get caught in that Because they're thinking that every set Is their last set at that club? What am I going to get booked again this next week and it takes a certain level of either like economic comfort or Complete not give a fuck or just love of the art to go I'm just going to say fuck it Because it's cutthroat too I think like in any business or any craft there's going to be about 5% of people who actually give a fuck about doing it really really want to do it And a lot of people who kind of think they can do it Or can get away with doing it or just do their impression of it Yeah, you know even in this business how many people that's like actually into this and people that's like I should just do one because everybody else got one and it's you know, and I I know I can fake it Or I know what they're doing You know, they're like a lot of times people just doing their impression of what they want to do Not exactly in it for you know Following the trend of success. Yeah, so it's like The same with stand-up. You always say people They'll see something working for somebody else And they'll be like, oh, I want to do that too. Yes, but that's really not what you're supposed to know. Yeah You gotta be yourself somebody else. Yeah, but you got to learn at the hallway when you get them on that stage And that's the beauty of it. I mean, I always go back to this collin quote from what was it comedian When he's like, uh, there's like justice in comedy after five minutes Like you could be famous you could be on snl You could do whatever but like they don't give you five minutes Of oh, yeah, I'm gonna laugh at this guy because he's famous and then after that it's like I'm gonna need some fucking jokes. Yeah Yeah I want to ask y'all about the carlin doc man because I watched the carlin the car George carlin doc this weekend on a HBO max I did first of all, I didn't know. Yeah, I always hit people mention George carlin. I wasn't yeah in the George carlin Fucking brilliant. I don't see anybody doing that now Carlin, I don't see anybody. It's a car. It's a doing bro. Very specific thing his the the I love the the 90s uh Specials, I know a lot of people didn't love them as much because they got real dark But I thought what he was tapping into there was like Uh, it was gee. I thought it was like right up there with rock specials Which are some of the best of all time at that same exact time praise. I remember it was like, you know condo at the same time I wish people revisited as often as you know They'd talk about priors and yeah and chappelle's and all that stuff. But it's it's right up Rock is the closest to carlin. I think so too, you know, and it's you put you put carlin over rock I mean, I relate the rock more because he's black And you know what I mean carlin's white And I he but I say I just think he's Steve the closest to a carlin I put rock I'm a who came first person You know, I don't think there is a rock without a car It's like yesterday when ryan clark posted, you know, chris browns more talented to michael jackson How do you even come to that conclusion and then everybody thought oh because chris does graffiti and he Music When I talk about anything I was talking about music and dancing Like tank said he does because he does graffiti and he Draws they're like, what are we talking about? I thought we talked about music and dancing So to me carlin came first and man, I'm telling you I have to watch in that doc I was like wow. It had me think about something else too, right? I don't know if uh I don't know if a black comic can make the observations George carlin makes because he's got like a a bird's-eye view of the world and he's not In these groups that he might be discussing. He's able to just sit back and like look at it. I don't think that's fair though I think I think I think you gotta think of it like Carlin was like a 70 year old A 70 year old genius committee. I hate saying we're genius and comedy person But he's he's actually that you know what I mean a genius 70 probably doing comedy about 55 years or something Like he's at a level where Nobody's doing that I definitely think when when chappelle 70 or when if patrice made it to 70 or you know what I mean It's true because if they get to 70 they may have that type of That type of uh self-awareness and reflection, but And that wealth of knowledge or dick gregory. You see dick. Oh, definitely. You know what I mean 100% Up to now Really? I'm sure cause he's never been he never was tapped in so uh as far as socially though, like One thing you won't hear him say is what else what else Definitely got a lot to talk about right now. You think life showed him something. Oh sure But no It's like yo Carlin was so socially conscious and it's weird right because I look at all the comedians out now With all of this shit going on in the world They're not talking about the stuff that carlin was talking about people are using carlin's old stuff That talk about what's going on now. Yeah, like what for example I mean everything from everything political like literally everything from political from abortion to Voting right that racism all of that type of stuff I think people are dressing in certain like you do you do it in the tv show a lot That's what that's what I like. I don't know if I necessarily see it on stage From people I think people express that differently Through different mediums now. They might talk about it on podcast. They might talk about it You know when they do they sketches are they you don't think bird does it? Um, yes, I do not to the level of carlin though, but yes, I think he does that's what I'm saying like that's the That's the unfair company. It's like you talk about That's true. Michael Jordan or this shit. You know what I'm saying like he's on a very very short list There's a mount rush more carlin's on it. Yeah, but 99% of the comics that's ever, you know, picked up a month Did you watch louis last one? No, I haven't I haven't either and I'm surprised like maybe he touched in some of these things like Yeah, I think you're you're you're talking about like very mature thought and like someone who's like synthesized and digested life and I never thought about that. I never thought about the age thing. You're right Yo, it's it's important like if you talk to old heads that are wise like everything they say just sounds so profound Right. So it's like and then you add the fact that this guy's been doing comedy that long And he's just been like crafting these like bits and ideas Yeah, it's also the way car like carlin also Kind of didn't need an audience the way he started performing when he when he started like kind of really really locking in the late 90s His shit was damn near spoken word. It was so rhythmic and you could almost listen to it without Any of the audience, you know what I'm saying? Like it was damn near a song I remember even You know in those in those days they they would do these promos But he would just go on these long rants and long runs from the special And that that was the promo for the specials and they were just as enjoyable Like he was he was just kind of on a different on a different way I never thought about that. I never I never factored in the age things on so just no Yeah, just life. I just thought it was about what people cared about. No, he's a g So y'all gonna wait till what 60 now start going You're never gonna even know when it happens. It'll probably be appreciated. Look like like you just said You don't hear that much about carlin until this documentary So sometimes people got catch up to it. It might be happening. You don't even know it Or it might be happening and we don't know it. You know what I'm saying like People catch up to it when when it's when it's ready I think he's got to also reflect like what you care about like what's going on in your life Yeah, like it's not your responsibility as a comedian to like reflect to the times Is your responsibility or reflect on like what you care about? Yeah, that's like the rap when they tell the rappers like you don't have to rap about Things of substance. Yeah, and those songs are the worst when they're like, hey, you got to put out a love song and then you got this like rapper who's rapping about some love shit and like You don't even give a fuck about that. You know what I mean? Like I don't need to hear all that I want to hear what you care about And the most authentic stuff usually cuts through at least at least for me. That's the thing that I care about I don't need it from everybody. You know what I'm saying? But you know, if you do have That microphone and you are of a certain stature. Let's see what you can Let's see the wide range of things you can you can touch on. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah I do I I agree with that. That's why it frustrates me to see when people don't go past that surface Levels that that like use what you call the excellence of the upper limit theory It is that where you're like and you're in this it's called the zone of excellence sometimes being Sometimes killing at a level amongst your peers. You never want to risk Going past that and you never develop past that so there's but it's it's ugly There's a lot of ugly ugly ugly duckling years in that in that process that you kind of got to You know go through and you feel like as a good comedian you've already done your part You've already been not good and got good. So you're not going to take the risk to be Considered not good again. Even if it's growing. I think that's part of the reason why like, you know people like Dave Or, you know rock whatever like they go away. Yeah Yeah, like take some time reflect like Figure out how your life is changed word You know, like I know this sensation like trust me. I felt it like I just came off this crazy tour And the sensation is like well keep this ball rolling. That's like but that's not how you're going to create the show No, the people need to feel like I need to go away for Maybe it's years dude Like and I need to be in the clubs working but like processing How I feel about the world and then the crazy thing about stand-up and you mentioned all these old dudes is like Carlin's stand-up at the end wasn't his stand-up in the beginning nowhere near it And it took a process to even and his stand was funny in the beginning Of course But like you also have to go through them new growing pains when you change to start talking about different things You're going through because you might not have the tools to execute those jokes the way you had the tools Execute the jokes early on. Yeah, it comes a point where the performer Actually catches up with the man if that makes yeah, and like I don't I don't know if Dave is a performer has caught up with Dave the man yet Because when you hear Dave talk, it's like he's the best at talking It's pro I mean, I'm not saying it's the comedy not like that when you hear him talk I like hearing Dave talk more nowadays than I even do hearing the joke sometime. No, I like the I don't know I see I see them recently man Crazy he's on fire. Oh, wow. He's on fire. He unlocked something. I don't know He's on fire. Maybe the performer caught up with the man Because I think he's a bit just at a point now where he does what he wants like he's it's like he reminds me of prince in that way of like he He could do print stuff where you may not even be like i'm not into it But then you put him in a rock and roll hall of fame and he's like, oh, this motherfucker is the best guitarist in the world too You know what I mean? Like he's so good that he just does what he wants to do and you kind of add his mercy You're like it's he's he's on a different plane. I think I like that because I think you should be taking those risks like if you are trying to Change something like Yeah, who knows what you're gonna do. You know in fucking 10 years We could sit here and then go, you know what? I just really fell in love with one-liners And I want to get great at one-liners and I've never been good at them But I just think there's something so beautiful about the economy at a joke and then you can focus three years on putting out A special just one-liners. I mean look at look at norm. What norm was doing where people kind of go back to Silly norm mcdonalds No, no, but like like how great norm was at just taking old kind of joke book vaudeville jokes and repurposing making them silly and absurd and long and drawn out and it's like something that nobody would ever think to do but it's as As brilliant as anything anybody else is doing like yeah, so it's a pendulum See you get sick of one thing. It's swinging out the way What on stage just in general like just as far as creatively when the last time you saw something you was like Oh my god, that motherfucker is like taking a risk and he's oh inspiring me, you know what I mean work, oh man, um I had never I haven't seen I still haven't seen jaraj special But I worked with um Uh before that I still haven't watched. I just it's just so hard for me to sit down and watch. Oh, I get it Comedy on television every comic says it's so hard for me to like sit and watch comedy on television but I saw him live and And I was listening in a way his brain works and the way he was approaching things And then we talked about comedy like afterwards and it was like It pushed me a little bit in a in a different way like not in a it's just a different way of like I don't even know how to really describe it but but he's somebody that I've kind of been paying a lot of attention to Okay, what about you shows? I mean Like there'll be guys that like are our colleagues and like friends that like I see and they're just you know doing a joke about a topic that is Even just like common in the ether, but it's so different and so unique and just so fun Like I saw dance soter do this joke the other day and I was like, ah, fuck. He's like really thinking Like he's like being like really thoughtful about this thing And so much heart too and everything he does. Yeah, he cares. Yeah, it's like truly does He's so attached with the material every time he gets on stage. I say and I'm just like You're being 100% You yeah, you're not even being common to you. Yeah, you're being you you dance soter Go check out damn, but like guys guy say what? He's a nice guy. He's great. Yeah, you know from guy code Yes, but like, you know, so there's like new guys that I'm seeing are young and doing that That's what I don't know. Who's the new guy? Oh, man I mean like my boy that that opens uh for me and mark gagg not as great Derek postin is fucking great I mean Derek's down in Austin like there's eagle wit, you know eagle eagle is funny Like there's a lot of like young guys That are fucking hilarious But I'll be honest the shit that still pushes me is like old stuff like going back watching like old patreas are like I'm not just bringing the pain just the other day because like I wanted to see if it lived up To like my memory of it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and it fucking crushes the memory like even Bernie, bro We always talk about like that set the birdie. I ain't scared of you like I think like I was I bring that I think that might be like the most perfect five minutes of just stand up I'm not talking about like premises. I'm talking about like interaction between audience and human being like in essence What happened there? That's like a perfect storm. It's magic. Yeah, that's mad. That's like crazy And it's like I look at those moments. I'm like, okay. Well, what's happening here? How do I how do I create? Magic like that. You know who else got a couple of things like that to eddie griffin. Oh, dude, eddie eddie griffin's Def jams. Yeah are like Like melt the walls. It's like crazy shit. I don't know how you got all of these things to work Y'all need to watch ray j bro Ray j ray j yesterday This is one of those things like Stand-up is is one of these things like you're wild for radio, but like eddie Eddie griffin's a perfect example where like Like you'll see certain people in movies or like tv shows and they're like become like actors and they become successful, right? And They're great as actors. They're whatever but like sometimes you see their stand-up and then you go Oh, I totally understand why Yes, you see it and you go. Oh, I understand why someone would go. Please. Can we make a movie with you? Yeah, because it's so it's lightning. Yeah, like literally. I've never seen anything like that kind of Cat Williams, bro, like you saw eddie murphy Patrice O'Neill would have been there Jay Leno Never saw Leno. Jay Leno was one of those guys that was like that's what I heard the best the best and Yeah, man. It was like The best working comic or signs felt like there's just guys that that got kind of blank checks For how hard they were killing. What about conan conan was never a stand-up conan wasn't it? No, he was a uh, he's a writer, right? Yeah, it was a lampoon guy and then he's he was a writer a senile and then got the job Oh, the lampoon is the uh, harvard lampoon. Yeah the comedy what magazine? Yeah Yeah, but they have like a whole club out there We're gonna pay some bills and we're gonna come back and do church announcements And did I want to play y'all the greatest living comic living today in his rej? Okay, okay, I'm using bathroom. 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That's my big announcement That's you going on the honeymoon. I'm going on my honeymoon Michael share you got any announcements? No, you don't got no shows and nothing No, man. I'm trying to take a break man. I'm I'll probably do some stand-up throughout the week, but I ain't I ain't promoting nothing. Okay. Go check out michael chays hbo show man That damn michael chay. It's really good. I'm not gonna stand up. He's got specials out right now on netflix Both of them I got two on netflix netflix. Maybe another one soon Okay, so go check out his stuff. He's fucking great Mine is simple. Uh, go to black effect.com make sure you subscribe to all the podcasts on black effects Loot to my guy tank and uh j valentine r&b money podcast came out last week Debuted at number one on the apple music charts and apple music. Yes that that the music charts in podcasts are like A very very very tough category. I mean you got everybody from million dollars worth of game the quest love the Big facts the drink champs and you know, they debuted at number one So salute to those guys and I want to tell everybody man if you're in new york city this weekend Um, the tribe echo film festival is this weekend Yeah, and I have a movie that I executive producer at the tribe echo film festival. It's called um 88 uh stars brandon victor dixon and uh anatory noton and orlando jones and a few other people We got four screenings. Um, what is that about? It's a political thriller. It's a political thriller It's about a financial director who works for like this Super package. It's good. It's political thrill political thriller mystery. It's about you know It's good Just say you don't know what the fuck the movie's about You explained Government mistrust and like it's a political thriller. It's about a black man that works for the government. It's kind of Women is it like a political thriller? It's crazy But it's just about you know, you're working for the government, but then you don't Actually trust the government because you're a black man. It's got a lot of Yeah, let's have a lot of spook by the door element, but um, the first screening is sold out This saturday at 8 30. Um, but then we have another one uh, monday june 13th at 6 p.m Tuesday june 14th at 9 p.m And saturday june 18th at 2 15 p.m. All at the tribe echo film festival So let's go to tribe echo film festival dot com type in 88 and um get tickets for that now Let's get back to the show. Let's listen to the greatest comedian who I want two great comedians from this era to be inspired by You know y'all talking about all of these burrs and Harlins and rocks and chappels. What about ray j Okay, let's let's listen to ray jizzle. You might want to start from the beginning This is ray j on celebrating pride month ray j say there needs to be more straight niggas giving love to the gay So you ain't never said nothing that's left like that. That's true That's a fact Let's hit it a lot of niggas. That's that's that's straight They don't be trying to shout out to to to to to the gay community and all my gay niggas the right way So I got to do it because I want to make sure niggas know that i'm sure nothing but love And that the fuck with y'all we have we have We have Multiple businesses together. I got a lot of friends All right, I was talking to my niggas dean now. I'm checking it y'all listen I just want to say that it's gay pride month. Shout out to all my gay niggas Shout out to everybody in the lgbt community I told my niggas that it need to be more straight niggas Giving love to the gay niggas and I hate using the word the n word But um Friends and I got a lot of real niggas as gay and we make a lot of money together But it ain't just about the money. It's just niggas. It's cool. And that you know, whether you Are a gay dude and you are straight do it Like but it need to be more straight niggas Showing love to the community to the punchline. Yeah, we get to it's like, you know, what you were what what what you were what you were afraid of or I don't know what it is, but there's nothing but love over here shout out to all the glam squads That that's up. I can't really see I can't really see um, I wear glasses I can't see the comments, but I can tell you how I feel You know what i'm saying? And i'm on my way to work and I just decided to come on live And you know what i'm saying? And just give give all my gay people my gay brothers my gay sisters give them all Give them all they flowers. You know what i'm saying? And you know for me, I want to sponsor the whole gay pride month and do great pride Great pride I said Great pride Come on man. Come on That's the greatest living comedian walking the face of the earth. He's addressing a social issue He's picking up the current climate that we're in. We're in gay pride month. What's better than that man? Yo, that's amazing. I thought that he was gonna be like psych. I don't fuck with that gay shit He's all in he said you want to call it rain pride. Yeah rain pride is wow Uh, yeah, I mean his skin looks amazing His skin looks so good Yeah Gay people do more than makeup. No, that's true, but they also do makeup And they got his tongue looking wild red Yo, what is he putting his tongue on? He's how you flirt In the middle of the video Uh Man, let me tell you something. That's rager. This is this actually is one of the best gay prides. I've seen in my life Yo, rager is so amazing He's just so amazing at being incredibly straight-faced better than car better than who carling. Yeah Yeah, he's better than carlin and do remember the thing with the glasses where he's like, you can't break them You can't break them and then you just snap them Yo, this is what he is. This is the guy's raw entertainment, bro This has been the best greatest comedian. Yeah, they got the gay pride avarice. Yeah, they got the the burger king They have a gay pride avarice. You didn't see the gay pride avarice. No Burger king got the uh, the the the top and bottom burgers. What? Yeah, so it's like two tops They have to stop it I'm not making none of this shit up brother. There's no way burger king got bottom on bottom burgers Yo, you gotta like dick to another level have your hamburger have bottom bottom bro bottom bottom Look that's shit. Come on. I want top top. Come on, man No, but a gay relationship would be top bottom. It would never be top top. That's why I don't understand why No, say what? Oh, that's what that is. Oh, I didn't know I just thought of you as a bottom It's a bun. It's this is ridiculous. I did not know these people are ridiculous What do you think as a gay person like you'd be offended by that like Wasn't it bad to have corporate interests in a in an actual struggle? Yeah, because it means it's not Well, no, who are you struggling against if all the corporations got your back? Are you gonna do burnt buns for February? No, they did have the black Pumpernickel bread It feels weird right it does but what if this is the what if these are gay people that are coming up with these ideas What if these are gay people that work in these corporations and they're coming up with these ideas? I think gay people gotta be more creative than this bro. Hey, this is straight people ideas for sure Don't you feel like what are gay people liking if both sides of the bum was the same like that's a straight dude Trying to understand what gay people would like Look at this. You think gay people thought of that? Gay people just come back. Hey, just give me a burger, bro. I like burgers. They're good No, I don't see. Yeah. Hey, man, salute to all the gay people. I respect y'all so much Because gay people were so hot dogs That's what they would they would have hot dogs Glizzy Just do a hot dog for the month that'd be fire, bro Glizzy hell yeah, isn't gay people are the best, bro. Gay people take what they want Gay people got 70% of the alphabet is theirs now. Yeah, okay They took the rainbow the rainbow is there when you see a rainbow. You don't even think of god's promise no more I'm sick of it. Is that what the rainbow used to be? Yes, what did you think it was? I didn't know there was any religious implication whatsoever Yes, man. I have to know what built the ark and well, no not yet Know what built the ark and then after the flood there was a rainbow and it was a rainbow The promise that god will never flood the earth again Yeah Well, I mean a few floods. Yeah Promises can't promises deliver He's got more floods. This is not the last flood that I've ever happened Magnitude, um What do y'all think of lorry harvey and michael b jordan's breakup? friend of yours michael jordan No What do you think? What do I think about their breakup? Yeah, um I thought it was wrong how they did him at the the warriors game Did you see why do people even tie the two together though? He was just like, bro, there's do you follow grand wizard chat and then I can't say the word on instagram He's the best following is right. What's it? What's the fault? He posed some picture of uh, I just said it, but there's the n word at the end Oh, and uh, and he's just the best. He's just fucking hilarious and uh, He had he had the video of michael b jordan like at the front row And and like whatever reason he kind of looks like he's getting choked up a little bit and it was like Michael b jordan crying meme or some shit like that dude Well, damn, what happened? I don't know what happened. I just know steve harvey's making jokes All I know is white women are happy man Isn't steve, well lory harvey's his daughter, right? Yeah, that's his daughter. I didn't know that You didn't know lory harvey was steve harvey's daddy. He never mentioned it on I never heard him talking about that. Well, how would I know that? And that's why y'all can't get mad at jack harlow You know what i'm saying? What did jack harlow do? He didn't know brandy and ray jay was brother and sister That's fair. Yeah, he's 20 years old Haven't been brother and sister for 10 years minimal Like, you know culturally You know like ray jay got to have phones brandy doing what she's doing No, that's no that is a great point and I don't know why people don't understand that to a certain generation They know ray jay more But I also like only know lory harvey from like pictures like I don't know what is she an actress or I don't know Okay, I don't know. I don't know. I guess that's why I know it from pictures. Well Michael B. Jordan goes to white women and never comes back. You know why now you think lory No, i'm serious. Okay, if he goes if he goes back to white women, it's Look at that stash. It's a hell of a stash. He's going back to white women. That's the that's an apollo creeds that For steve harvey. Oh, he's trying to get her back. You saying yo, that's i don't know Oh Michael chay, there's been rumors that you might leave snl any truth to that no I'm not leaving. I'm so I'm coming. You said that in fact. I'm not leaving No, I yeah, I'm i'm gonna stay We are i'm laughing because i try to go we i'm laughing because me and andrew are arguing about I was like, yo I'm out and he was like you sure every time I talk to him. We have like a yearly You know ketchup and and he's like, yeah, this is the last year bro. I'm going it was though It was it was it was it literally was five years running No, it was my my contract was up and I was I was out but We negotiated a like a different type of situation that was like more money This wasn't the money No, no, honestly, it was it was more the time I just wanted uh time to produce more be able to produce and and uh develop other projects and they kind of they kind of hooked it up where I don't have the same demand. I think yeah, we'll see. I mean that's all remains to be seen I think once you in the building you never know but uh So far it feels good, but that's another such a good space to do that because it feels like they uh Allow their talent to go do other things. Yeah, man. I mean it especially recently. I think uh I mean, I always like I never dislike that snow or you know working there was just more So I felt like it ate up a lot of time where I can't tour as much or I can't You know, I can't uh write as much, you know, it kind of Sucks up a lot of your energy, but hopefully this situation is a little bit more comfortable That's why Andrew You think he's lying. Yeah, he does. Yeah Yeah, he does he's lying, but you would have to announce it already. He's got to make an hour and a half tv show every week It's insane. It's hard. It's it's insane. There's no way they're gonna be Won't you do a part time? How much are you involved in though? I mean, I know you do weekend update Yeah, and then you're the head writer, but what did that consist of? well, it's it's a lot of a lot of meetings a lot of um, you know kind of decision making and And uh covering for the cast and stuff. It's it's a lot. It's it's also stressful It's like I always say it's like it's like planning a wedding every week because you know, it's extremely important and special for That host and then we have another one who's extremely You know what I mean invested in at the following week in the following week So it's it's a lot that kind of culminates to one moment Live on television and if it's bad, you know You kind of have a thick skin about it. And then when it's great, you don't get no credit Like you don't like you do like with kim kim kim kardashian delivers a great monologue Yeah, yeah, and the first thing I hear is well, you know, dave chappelle and michelle wolf wrote that for her I'm like, well, what about the guys and women that's there every week You know what I'm saying? No, no, but they they did though. Uh, uh, I went back and forth with uh, michelle a lot about that like, um It's but a lot goes into that, you know, like michelle michelle Really held that down like I was it was I don't know how she did that that was like it was kind of dope to see what she did on her own I was her between her and dave but uh, but I was talking to her more So dave is impossible to talk to sometimes like he's you know, he's always busy, but um Uh, yeah, they they really came through for that one But even when uh, even when a sketch, uh a bit of something slaps you I guess you don't care though You don't care if you get credit, right? That's something that gets appreciated sort of In the past. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like It may feel like it kind of all goes away, but then when you leave they like, oh man Remember he's you know, like all of that stuff becomes like this stuff There's bits on SNL that people still talk about from 40 years ago, literally, you know what I mean? Or 30 years ago or five years ago and you kind of we do so much of the show that it's It's impossible to keep up, you know, and especially now like everything's so cyclical and There's so much content that if a sketch sticks out, that's pretty impressive Pretty impressive. How do you know when it's time to walk away? Like I whoop like from a show like SNL because I mean it can range, right? You can be somebody like Keenan who's there for 1920 years But I mean somebody like rock who was there for what a season How long was rocked here? Maybe three About three years. How do you decide when you're in your Excellent zone is that one of excellence? How do you decide if you're in your zone of excellence? But I know this is coming You open up the excellence the genius. No, he said that but yeah, I do. Yeah. No, I think it's I I just selfishly what I say this to you all the time. I just selfishly. I'm like, I would love to see What you could create with all the time. I don't even know how you're putting together Enough material to have specials while you're doing these things. It's like you're right. You're right Fucking mind boggling and you know, I celebrate you a lot. You notice. I appreciate So so and and it's real like Respect respect, but I'm just saying like I I know I'm I'm a busy guy too. Right and I know It's a drain and I'm just like Selfish I'd like man, I'd be really cool to see what Mike did with a year I can see why she won't say that word May stop the tv show alone. I can see why you see it. You start to see it like it's It's something that I'm working on now, but also too. I do like, you know, that's no victim, man It's like it's literally really yo, it's live television. It's still it's still just think about like This sound like a like a like a show right now, but honestly What comedy show is covered like this where people know who's on it People write about what happened even if it's bad. They write about that. It's bad. They write about when it's good They write about what you know these moments. Yeah, the show is not There's not that much event television anymore, man It's not a point everybody's watching at the same time everybody's following at the same time Everybody's talking about it. It's like it's a fucking ganky game. Yeah, you know what I mean? So it is something about having that moment or having that opportunity or that platform To be able to lock in it's a great compliment when something happens Monday or Tuesday and everybody's like, oh I can't wait to see, you know, you give masses which I'm gonna do about it. I'm sure yeah It's similar You know for you guys where they're like they can't wait to see I dig into some shit And it's it's a platform that you could still kind of do that on a on a global scale Which is kind of dope so that that is cool but now that you've seen that like I mean when we first started probably when you first started working on snl like the The climate was different the opportunity was different. It was hard to get like your creativity out there And now with the internet You've seen like probably even your own stand-up clips go viral out of nowhere. Yeah, and then you're like, oh shit I imagine you must think like oh shit. I could just create things myself and then have this same Viral impact when I want and if you know you could do it on snl Then you can do it yourself I do think that I think that's true, but I also think that it's It's still I don't know it's still something about it. It's still it feels like I'm trying to drag you into I know I know you've been but but also We from the same place. Yes. So to me. I like it. I like I like that. There's there spaces where I could Go everywhere. You know what I mean? I can do that I could go to work But also I could put on my hard hat and get it out the mud too Is there is there ever like And I always wonder do you ever feel like a social responsibility? Like you being there have given more opportunities To different music groups or different even cast members It's funny you say that because when you first said that I was gonna immediately say no And then when you when you said that other part I was like, oh, yeah, actually I do think that There is some merit to that because when I first started at snl I was the only black writer there. Yeah, and it was keenan and jay and the cast And you know what people don't realize is it's like When you you would obviously realize it maybe but a lot of people don't realize Well, I didn't realize initially it's like you come in these rooms And you're the only black voice there or the only kind of black ears not even voice black ears Where something could be very funny and specific and nuance and if they're just not in the culture They don't get it. They don't get it. They don't get it. They're culturally clueless people. Yeah, yeah There's times, you know what I mean? And also even if it's not it's not even just skin color sometimes It's just background sometimes Is there'll be a black person there that's culturally cool. You know what I mean? It's like so and vice versa And vice versa goes the other way. What is it? Well, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck this is But if I was a 22 year old White college student, I would be like this is perfect. You know what I mean? So like this times That's what I love about the show is that now I do think there's a good mix of backgrounds where You know Chris red could do something or I could do something or you know, Ego could do something and it could be What it is. It doesn't have to be like, well, how do we make older white people understand this? You know what I mean? Yeah, no, no, no, this is funny and being head writer or being, you know in those Meetings I could say Yeah, we should get geraud in or yeah, we should get you know, I mean chapelle and or yeah I think we should whatever you could kind of be that extra voice of reason for That might have been ignored it's not like a lot of times it's like uh I want to say it's not racist, but it's more like institutional where it's like you end up kind of like hiring your friends and you don't even Consider what somebody could feel about something because they're not in the room to give any pushback or give any praise And then like you have someone like you in there and all of a sudden you get to start hiring the people that you Believe in or at least suggesting the people that you believe in and then those other people are in the room going Oh, wow, I didn't even think about it from this perspective. Yeah, we need more of that perspective and then through osmosis You create this thing for sure for sure and then that's especially when you see it work Then they know that's the thing that can work when you guess right then they're looking for more of it So it absolutely is something but again, you don't go in thinking that you go as a comedian you go in thinking I'm just trying to write something funny. Yeah, well, I'm just trying to bring in people who I think will be funny That's it. That's that's the extent primary goal. Yeah, you never that's but you must have felt it Like after years of being there and like seeing a little impact like you didn't think about until I asked you I can't believe that just when you said it I didn't think about it, but Like once you finish your sentence, I was like Yeah, kind of I guess when you walk in a room with only black person You know you're bringing something unique more than likely you don't Yeah, but you don't You don't know what you are until somebody tells you in a lot of in a lot of cases, you know Like I don't walk in thinking well, I'm the only black guy here or I'm I'm the black guy here You kind of know that Later on, you know what I mean, you know it selfishly as a comedian when you're on stage you're alone You're not the only black guy. You're not the guy or whatever. You're just trying to do what you're trying to do you know what I'm saying so I feel like when you walk into these rooms, you're just trying to do the jokes and then Once they're not working you're like, oh, this is too black. Oh, oh, I can't say, you know what I mean? Like it's like, oh, okay, I got it black Yeah, yeah, yeah, like but it do it happens like that Right because I started as a writer. I wasn't just I wasn't performing on the jokes So if I'm writing a sketch there's words Certain actors can't say They might not even get Then you find out, oh, that's right. I'm lonely nigga here. Like this should should be funnier. You know what I mean? I don't think you're lying. I just don't believe you like When you walk in a room shows yeah, and you're like you're the only white person Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're pretty sure you're the only white person You know, it's funny. I walk into this podcast every single Week and I'm the only white person. This might be different though because this is but you guys are my friend Like I think once you know people you feel like the only white person right now No, that's what I'm that's my point. But but but you guys are all my friends. So I'm walking into a group of friends I'm walking into a room with friends if it's complete strangers and I walk in yeah, you know I'll probably leave as soon as I can You know just for safety for my own safety, you know when you in a meeting if you if you go into like a Me like a pitch Do you feel like you have you are you always conscious of all right? It scores two to four Yeah, are you really you think you told y'all that I've written about I wrote about that in my second book just because like Man, I mean I guess because of the error that we're in and it's so stupid And this is why you got to disconnect from social media because it's like you always feel like this audience is with you I think it might be some also to you from the south, right? Yeah, that's also a different I think New York City is a little bit different where there's no such thing as like Black and white rooms. It's kind of all integrated everywhere You know what I mean, I can think of times me and my wife Walked into like a restaurant in our hometown when we was young because we've been together forever So we walked in this restaurant. It's called the bar in your house and most of the stock line is still there I believe and like literally just whiteness All the patrons everybody working there and as soon as we walked in we looked like Yeah, we not staying here and no the the whole thing is like southern white shit. They're wearing like khakis and stuff like that Why y'all leaving college polo The white hostess said this oh, why y'all leaving because y'all black no, it's like, yeah White because you notice they felt that comfortable. Yeah, come in. I'm like But no, it's not even that she felt that comfortable. She must have known who you were. No, I was I was nobody Oh, wow. She was she was aware of the insecurity Our uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So yes, it is. I think it is something with you know It's weird. It's like yeah discomfort in spaces Sometimes I'll feel that if I'm like If I'm in new york and I walk into a place that's predominantly black, but it's just new york I don't feel at all if I'm like In like Connecticut and I walk into like a bougie ass like country club and it's predominantly white I'll probably feel like a little discomfort just because like I don't I might not know all that etiquette or like I might not know Like the elevator talk as well You know, so for me, I guess it's like specific cultures but if I walked into like Like a like everybody african Nigeria just Nigerians and I'm maybe oh, wow. I'm I'm distinctly not Culturally in line with what's going on in this room But if I'm just walking into like a fucking sneaker shop, and I'm the only white guy I'm like not even I think we all think about it that much like if we're in a room and it's one woman It's like yo guys look alive. You know what I'm saying like don't say nothing crazy You know what I mean like just try to make her as comfortable as as possible Like I think something has to happen for you to like if I if I enter a room there's one woman I might Say something Then hear it and be like oh there's a lady my bad, you know what I mean like whatever it is or or Anything racially or or class wise would I be like oh you got to think about it for a second Because Like yeah, yeah, oh there's a child here Being the barbershop unit talking shit, you know getting your hair cut music fucking fuck you Yo, yo, yo kids just walked in What if Trump said that was just barbershop talk I think he did say that Barbershop talk Everybody goes to the barbershop The barbershop you understand that that that point of reference You get it and that's deep man. I would have I would understood a little bit better You miss trump, don't you? No, I don't miss him a little No, I didn't I didn't lie Michael chase it. He misses trump I miss I miss I miss Having hope in biden Yeah I don't think we ever had it though. Yeah, I think I think there the hope the I don't think we had open bodies I don't think there was ever hoping by yeah, I think people just wanted trump out, but there was never actual I think there was hoping not trump But I don't know if it was I'll give you that. All right, maybe that that's a better way to say It's gonna be better without him and it's calm. I don't know. It's calmer without him without a doubt What trump without trump. Yeah, like Trump is was a psycho. Yeah, like the the environment is just No, no, no, no, no, I mean Bro, are you kidding you think it's not but you you like know who congressmen are like you're really political like But the average person doesn't even know what's going on politically. That's wild Bro, I thought you were saying for like a month cinnamon when you were saying cinema And I googled cinnamon and I was like who the fuck is this congressman cinnamon I didn't even know who spelled That might be so I just think like it like without him there everybody's been able to detach politically I do think there it did feel a lot like The the difference between having a bad leader and having no leader What would you rather have bad parents or no parents feels like we have no leader now That's my point. It feels like with trump We had a terrible leader and now we have no leader and it's almost like what he said I mean what you said no shows better than a bad show I don't know if they said I don't know you wouldn't agree. Y'all wouldn't agree with that because y'all say y'all like bombing Do I want bad parents or we never said we like No show at a bad show no leadership a bad leadership Sometimes you got to go through bad leadership and bad shows to get to a good place Well, America's dead now. Good boy. I think I personally think this is my personal opinion The news the media when trump was in office. It was nuts. Like everything was I just made some money too. But here's the thing. They made things world war three that shouldn't have been world war three Ah, because it was so polarized now. It's actually some shit that should be world war three like literally And we don't care. Yeah Gas prices of sky motherfucking high, you know, uh, you see the the mass shootings abortion rights being threatened voting rights That might not be around like yeah We now the time to really be ringing the alarm, but they're not which is so strange to me. Yeah Who you gonna call ghost buster? Who you gonna call there's nobody there's nobody that's like there's no What feels like an adult in charge? There's no there's no hand on your shoulder That's like everything's gonna be all right. We under control. You can trust us And we haven't had that I don't think since obama and whether you liked obama or not He did give you that sense of security. Yeah media bodies and charge that care. Yeah, it was different though. Yeah Well, I'm sure that media was different. I'm sure the media attacked him like crazy, too Like I mean me was attacking. I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about our media Oh, yeah, yeah By the way, Barack Obama doesn't even win the presidency if social media is the way it is. Who do you think? They would he didn't believe in gay marriage You know, yeah, but back then nobody did Do you exist within like the normalcy of the time? Yeah, like You gotta think there's a lot of black people that don't want gay marriage Yeah, but You can't win an election with all you can But you can win a lot of red states if he was going to win the blue states no matter what Yeah, he would have turned a lot of red blue or purple when that in that instance because you know culturally You know, we don't all think the same. Yeah, but the red states couldn't get past the black thing in a lot of cases Yeah, but it might have they might have if you say he doesn't like gay marriage I want a regular burger burger That's what the fuck would happen doesn't that fucking commercial Sound like what a guy would say if he was explaining why gay sex is wrong to his kid What like we never eaten two buns of the burger, right like is that real? Is that a is that a real thing burger king's doing? That's a real add-out That's All right, this is what biden has has shown me is that like The visual that a father trying to explain it to the king is right gay sex is like See that hamburger. What if it just had two of the bottom parts wouldn't that be weird? That be strange wouldn't god hate that Eat that Be disgusting, but if you have one top bun and one bottom bun everything fits perfectly, doesn't it? Right like that's how that's the whole point is it that's how i'm going to explain sex to my kid, bro Hey, these buns is identify however you want them to identify Oh, man, it's not even a wafer This is a chicken sandwich Now biden showed me I am not reading about this shit tomorrow Michael jay mostly stayed mum Shout out to reyjay What you think now that biden showed me that we don't really like the ship keeps moving That's what I like. I thought we really need a president and like I really did think it like I and now i'm realizing that I just don't know who's in charge that's isn't that comforting No The ship still keeps moving it's not really moving to me That's the most comforting because now don't matter who's president Everything is going to keep going the way it always is people going to be upset the same way We still upset an abortion. We still upset a gun rights. We still upset it Cops fucking killing everybody or we still upset it all these fucking things. All of that is easier when your economy Say again, all of that's a little easier when you would say that bro Yeah, all that's a little easier when your economy was good Everybody will be fine with that because it's making crime go up You know what I mean like we're having to deal with things that we shouldn't have to deal with I read a story today where it was a guy Rob six people in milwaukey killed all six of the people And then put on the person's shades in the house and took a fucking selfie. That's wild All for some cash Guns drugs and sunglasses. You saw that 12 year old white kid rob the uh the The gas station Really and the the woman didn't even think it was real and looks at him and goes are you being serious? Oh, I didn't see that video and he just left off a shot. Yeah, he watched too many movies Yeah, that's what you do when you say Yes, wow, that's what I'm saying. So when your economy is stable and you know people got some money in their pockets I don't know it's different. You think that's you think it's the economic thing Yes, I think people have more app to be okay when the economy is good And when economy is bad, they start looking at all the just put it on your own stresses in your life You've been through times where you probably didn't have that much money. Everything's stressful Yeah, but I don't think there's ever been a time where people didn't have money I think like well, there are people without money. Yeah, but I'm I'm saying I think like You've been rich a long time make a comment like that microchet. No, it's true I mean, I don't I don't ever remember a time where I was like all the economy is amazing Everybody's doing great even when it when statistically it seemed that way from where I'm from It never felt like everybody's doing great now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I think all of that feels relative, but it's the same pockets I just think the crimes are getting more and more bizarre. They don't it's not even like shit that I could comprehend It's not oh god Rob's liquor store. It's like Motherfucker shoots up Walmart doesn't take a dime. You're like, what why what what and then another one and then another one And then another one. I don't it don't even seem like a Money thing. I think that's that showed you how bad it is though because people are acting out of frustration So they're literally just projecting pain. So it's like if I want to I'm hurting So fuck that I want to hurt you too That's what it feels like I think people are consuming too much information And and they're going insane I second that too. Yeah, I think people are literally driving themselves insane with how much Content they're consuming. I agree with that because of social media I know I agree with that like and and and you don't know what you're taking and wait and then like What is the process they're like? Why does that drive you insane? I I think I Think there was a time where you'd read a newspaper You know what I mean? And that was that was how you got your news or you took a walk and you took a walk You went to work or whatever you say about the thing in the newspaper that was in and maybe you go home And you watched the news and wow that's that's crazy when all you're feeding yourself is just insanity You start to see crimes repeat it repeat it and you like wait a minute They just talked about a motherfucker who did this you telling me The guy that just did it the second time didn't see what that guy did And I think it's a lot of copycat shit. It's a lot of I think people are finding connection and other in other Bouts of insanity. Yeah, and they starting to feel like we're in the insane crew You know what I mean and like and they they feel connected and they starting to repeat this shit over and over again Because all they're doing is consuming information about it You think it's also two people are desensitized desensitized the violence because it Of when I when I read that story and they'll walk him like, you know how wild and he's only 34 about it Yeah, you know how wild you got to be to kill six people Leave them in the house for three days steal their shit and try their shit on and take selfies with it Like police are like That's wow that steps the game up What do you mean Michael? He stepped again You stepped the game up now. You're now. You're the craziest Oh, yeah Now you're the crazy guy. Yeah, that's why comedians I hate when they take the beat Because you just leave it at these steps. That's the game up. Yeah, you chuckle You know, you can't help but chuckle. Yeah, that's what it is I I truly think that people are starting to outdo themselves and it's it's kind of sad to watch and I wish the coverage wasn't as Insane, it's gotta be something but the coverage comes from this. It's not even news outlets reporting this shit It's a guy it's convenient store cameras and this guy taking the selfie and you gotta tie the two together This guy takes a selfie posting on social media. You gotta tie the two stories together. You think if that guy didn't have wi-fi He would have committed that crime He just still did it. You think so Yeah Hey, because he was started He wanted he didn't he right. He was a robber So he wanted something they they they had more than him. He wanted some of He probably wouldn't took a selfie though Probably wouldn't it took a selfie Yeah strange world we live in. Yeah, and they even make sense of this shit. 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Let's get back to the show All right, so let's do some asking idiots. All right, let's get let's do some asking is Amber heard she poop Yeah, how many people do you think is gonna shit on beds now that they found out about amber hurts? You don't think that's ever gonna happen again. Oh 100% you don't think Yeah, you know, I don't I don't care about the amber Hurricanes Why because I was watching CNN on the day that the Tulsa hospital shooting happened Yeah, and you're watching the Tulsa shooting happen, right? So this all of these just you already had buffalo We had text this way. I said and I'm watching I'm like, damn another one in the fucking hospital Y'all that and then all of a sudden you see breaking news and you like what the fuck is about to happen Like this is breaking news during the Tulsa shooting. Yeah, what the fuck is about to happen? And it's the Johnny Depp amber heard case. Yeah, I don't give a fuck Yeah Who cares like the breaking to do breaking news on CNN Then I turned to Fox and Fox had the Johnny Depp amber heard thing going on. Yeah, that's 15 million. That's kind of funny Yeah, it's hilarious. She will try to get a hundred million and lost 15 and now she don't have it Johnny Depp not gonna see that money, but I guess it was his money. Anyway, he gave her He gave her eight. Yeah, she's got eight. I think I guess it's the first one Eight million forty seven dollars. That's it. Let's do some asking millions Taylor before we lose everybody Oh Two live through lost their freedom of speech case. How would hip-hop sound today? That's from Jeffrey knows with a z then I like let's do the michael che question for us. Oh, yeah Where does michael che try v2x is where does michael che rank his snl group versus the past groups? Oh, that's a really good question. Again, I think Every cast is appreciated retroactively So I'm gonna say very high And I know that people will be like, I'll get the fuck out of here But I think once you start to see everybody's career After this you'll start to realize how many fucking stars we actually had in this current group now Granted, we've had 20 cast members in this group. So it's a lot more You know opportunity to get some great something but I think what sesley can do what k could do at 80 and keenan and And chris and and p and even leslie who was you know Just a couple years ago I think people appreciated a lot more in five years. He would be like, damn We had a lot of we had a lot of women. That's real and then even even you look at heighty He looked at ego. I mean so many so much talent It's also tough to compare it back in the day because there was so much fewer famous people back Yeah, and you also you compared it to them today movie careers, too Yeah, people will be, you know, if you say Tina Fey, you think dirty rock You know so much other shit. Yeah, so I think once, you know, we've had a chance to have our careers Outside of the show people will appreciate how much talent was actually there Damn shows, I guess telling them to quit might be the right thing then I'm telling them, bro Sanchez he says is SNL considered a white show I think it's considered a national show And in a white nation Well handled It's a national show It reflects the country, you know Excellent answer That is a phenomenal answer That's what it is Let's just get a couple more tellin we get up out here Jeffrey knows if I see that's not a two minute answer If the two live crew lost their freedom of speech case how would hip hop sound today? That's when we talk about people who don't get there just do Uncle Luke and two live crew was one of them Because there's no parental advisory stickers on albums if it's not for uncle Luke that shit should really be a movie Like it literally should be a movie it really It changed the course of hip hop. I don't know what hip hop would be I guess more people would be in jail because they used to lock you up You perform certain songs certain places they arrest your ass, you know what I mean Certain things wouldn't get played on the radio. It would That's not just hip hop. That's gonna be all music All music Rock music everything like that's that a precedent for all of it. So music is completely different music owes a Tremendous that a gratitude Um, what the fuck? I'm like, let's end on this one. Thanks. The first thing is the phrase happy wife happy life a sign of toxic Yo, yes, and there is nothing funnier than toxic femininity bro. What was that shit? We were looking up the other day Talks to it. Yeah So like there's these things like uh, there's this trend of like the things that Men can do like one little thing that makes women not want to fuck them at all like ever again And there was this like twitter trend and these girls were absolutely fucking hilarious bro Like like if you're eating like pasta with red sauce and that shit ends up on a corner of your mouth Like no like they just kept going through one after another of like little tiny things men can do What was the other shit? Like if you got a blow on your suit before you eat it Like It's just like you're all toxic femininity and it was the funniest fucking thing. Do you have that list? What was it the ick? If you bend down and pick something up weird Oh, yeah, if you bend at the waist to pick something up or something Bro, it was like it was it was like it was women judging men like men judgment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And it was just fucking amazing This is what happens when you can't say gay slurs anymore. What are you saying? That's what they really want to say That's the truth They really got Say what you really feel really Happy pride month say it call me a gay jay Happy wife happy life the sign of toxic femininity michael shea I don't even know what it means. Happy wife happy. Oh, I guess that's saying that Putting your wife's villains first I'm not married It should be a compromise, but they're really right like I don't I don't know. That would be so sad when I'm 55 60 years old, bro. Well, why? Because I'm the only guy in the house. Yeah, that's a lot Like I don't think y'all understand how what would I go through? What do you like this weekend my my my daughter had like two of her friends over and my wife just looks at me and goes You know, this is just the beginning of uh, you know, your house being overrun by women I'm like, it's been over. It's been overrun by women. Wait till they start cycling, bro And so my wife is like so imagine when because it's two of my oldest daughters friends over and my wife is like so imagine when You're you know, you're our second has friends over and your third has friends over and I'm like Holy shit. I gotta get a dog Why just so you could have some male energy gotta see a dick, bro That's all I'm talking about, bro. Let him know, bro. Let him know, bro. Come on. Come on, jay Come on, jay As always if you listen to this podcast you take with smart you think we're intelligent you think we're brilliant Yeah, absolutely right But if you look through this podcast and think we're just a couple it is you don't know shit. You're right too Michael jay, thank you for coming. Yo, thank you Make sure you watch your show on hbomax phenomenal show. I'm not just saying that because you know, we're in an episode It's a really really good show and it's the type of comedy I like because it talks about Things that are going on so social issues. Amen in a really smart way and check out the specials too I appreciate y'all man. Thank you so much for sure for sure ready this podcast