 This is MacGygab episode 919 from Monday, March 14th, 2022. And welcome to MacGygab here at macgeekgab.com. Yes, we have rolled out our own site. So we are moving forward with that too. It's very exciting. We are the show where you send in your tips, your questions, your cool stuff found. We share all of it. We try to answer your questions. We learn from your tips. We get excited about the cool stuff found that you send in. The goal being that each and every one of us, me and John and Pete and you, we each get to learn at least five new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include kanji.io slash mgg. They want to hear from you about how you're going to use their MDM product for your business. Helixsleep.com slash mgg where you can save up to $200 off your mattress and get two free pillows. New relic.com slash mgg where you get 100 gigs of data free with this service forever. No credit card required. And of course, BB at it from bare bones software at bare bones.com. We will talk more in depth about each of those a little bit later here in the episode. For now here at the moment in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in fearful Connecticut. And here in Durham, New Hampshire is pilot Pete. Thanks for having me, guys. It's good to have you here in Durham sitting right next to me. It's nice being head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. It's been it's been a little while since you've been here. You've been remote. But I don't know why it's like up until I was going to say up until COVID, but it really wasn't. It was up until after COVID. Yeah. Two months ago that it was like, you know, Pete can join remotely. John and I've been doing this. It's rare for me and John to be in the same room. I think it's happened maybe a handful of times over the, you know, 17 years we've been doing this. And every time that you'd heard Pete here in the past, he was in the studio with me or somewhere with us in person. And it's like, why don't we just get you a microphone and you go. You're good to go. And so it's been wonderful having you. It's been a blast. Yeah. It looks like I may need to be remote next time either from Dubai or Paris. Well, so, so interestingly enough next time and John, I've been meaning to have this conversation with you, but sorry, John. No, I have all of our, our listeners inform everyone as well. I am, I am taking advantage of what I'm calling the honeymoon period between the marriage of my boosted immunity status and have my natural immunity from having had COVID six weeks ago or so. And I am making a, what for me is a long trip here. I'm heading on, on Tuesday, I think down to Austin for South by Southwest. And then straight from there, I will be heading to LA for podcast movement evolutions. So because I figured there's no point in going halfway across the country to come back halfway across the country to then go all the way across the country. That seems like craziness and a lot of wasted time for me. That's what I do for a living. Hey, I know, but you get paid to travel. You get paid while the flying is happening for me. That's when I don't get anything done. Yeah. So, so I am, I am going to be on the road. Normally we really try and record MGG before I travel. And maybe John and I will talk about recording something, you know, before I go, but I'm leaving Tuesday. We're recording this Friday. So I don't know that it makes sense. I think the best thing to do is to just do one in the middle somewhere. So we will have to coordinate schedules because I'm not entirely sure when we're going to be recording MGG 920. But I'm going to figure it out. We'll figure it out together. So you can always sign up at mackeycup.com slash calendar. And then you see what we see for the for the, you know, for the schedule when we're doing the show. Quick tips is where we're at today, though, or at least where we're starting. Will Straffage at chronic on Twitter. A well-known jailbreaker and programmer extraordinaire comes up with a great little quick tip that's good for all of us. He says, if you put Safari in reader mode and then share the web page via email, the message that you create will also include the pages content in addition to the URL. Normally when you share it via email, you just send the URL. But if you're in reader mode, it puts the content in from reader mode as well. I love it. That is good. Right. Like there have been times where I've wanted to share the content or I've copied a piece of it and put, you know, it's like, from this URL, here's what I got, you know, that kind of thing. So reader mode. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. You know what? I'm going to jump down, guys, I didn't really think about the fact that these two things were related, but listener David has what I will call our first, or at least the first thing that we have, we have officially dubbed strange things found with related related to reader mode. He says, when I go to articles on the popular woodworking.com site and then enter Safari's reader mode, music plays. It's usually some sprightly jazz piano. Sometimes when I do this, Safari starts to act wonky. So I try to avoid it, but I'm in the habit of printing from reader view smart. And my automatic muscle memory enters reader view before the deep memory neurons have time to fire off my warning. It's more amusing than anything. The pages can be printed with the normal print dialogue. Indeed. They have their own print page symbol on the page. So they are not trying to discourage printing. Do you have any idea what's going on? So I went and visited this page. And it happens, sure enough. In fact, I'll put the page in the show notes. I'll link it so that you all can experience this too. It's fascinating. And as soon as you enter reader mode, boom, there you are. You have, you know, there's music playing. The weirdest part, you know how in Safari, when a tab is generating audio, you get the little speaker icon? You don't get that with this. So you can't find it if you don't know where it's coming from. Now, presumably, you know, because you put it into reader mode and immediately music happened. And I wonder if their intention for this, certainly it could be accidental, but it doesn't appear like it is, right? So I'm wondering if their intention for this is to discourage reader mode because that obscures all of the display ads that appear on a webpage, right? Now, if that's their intention, and again, that's just my assumption. I didn't reach out to them. I don't really care, although, you know, at this point I'm pretty invested. But if that's their intention, why wouldn't they do like, why wouldn't they sell podcast style audio ad reads in there? And as soon as you switch to reader mode, it's like, Hey, we'd like to tell you about our sponsor BB at it, right? Like, that's what I would do if that was the intention. I don't know that I would actually do that user experience is something I always like to listen or customer audience experience. Let's put it that way. Something I always like to preserve. I wonder if the intent may be to prevent you having the computer read the print on the page because there's times when I will, I will have it have the computer read something to me, read an article to me. But wouldn't that work without putting it into reader mode? It does. But then you get all the ads and the links read out length by length. Yes, of course you do. Of course you do. So I'm wondering if that may be it. And then the other question I have is totally off the wall is does it print out the sheet music too when you're at the end of that? Pilot people, ladies and gentlemen. Pilot people. He's here all the way. My sad brain thinks. I like that. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Can I get the can I get the chart for this? That'd be great. Strange things found. So yep. There you go. A new segment here on Mackie Cub. You heard it first. John, you got a quick tip from John. It turns out. Yes. So John says there are a few things in iOS that are constant irritation for me and I finally found the solution for the first one. It's very common for me when typing on the iPhone keyboard to select a dictation microphone instead of return by mistake. Today I discovered that if you hold the microphone symbol then also tap on dictation settings. You can turn off dictation so the microphone symbol disappears. Perfect for me. I regularly use Siri but never dictation. So that's cool. The other annoyance is in iOS mail the unsubscribe option is right next to the less than symbol to go back out of an email. It's so common for me to accidentally select unsubscribe. Not sure of a solution to that. I put it down to poor or in cramped interface design. And he's right. You know, I check this out where it brings you. So if you hold down on the mic and hold down on it. Back to the tip. Where it brings you is you can also get there by going to settings, general, keyboard and then you can disable dictations. That's another way to do this. I like it. Okay. But I've run into the same problem with unsubscribe and I don't know if there's a solution for that. Yeah, I have tapped that on intentionally at times too. And I'm with you. I don't think there's an answer to this. Yeah, unfortunately. So a quick tip and a quick rant. I guess is what we get out of that. Yeah. I like this ability to disable the microphone icon there. Because I've tapped it on intentionally more than a few times. So yeah, that's pretty good. Good, good. Peter brings us to a quick tip that solves a problem that I hadn't. It's interesting. Anyway, he says I'll let him explain. Every six months or so I have called Apple and said my magic mouse no longer works properly as in the cursor stops tracking with the movement of the mouse or on any surface. Okay, he says I've had this experience for several years. It just happened again on my second replacement mouse that came with my new iMac. He says Apple never says no to their credit and they have always sent me a new mouse and I send the bad one back. So just now it started failing on this third mouse and I was about to order another one. But I thought what the heck, let me google and see if other people have had this same problem. He talks about holding the shift down option on the Bluetooth menu, right? So shift click the Bluetooth menu in the menu bar, go to debug and choose remove all devices, do it again and then reset the Bluetooth module and then repair the bad mouse. Not repair the mouse but re-bluetooth pair the bad mouse and it works totally fine. So shift click and option it says on the Bluetooth menu. So I'm looking at the website that he sent us about this so it's not just shift, he said shift option I missed it when I read it but he says yeah shift option on the Bluetooth menu then choose debug remove all devices then shift option again and choose reset the Bluetooth module and then go and pair your mouse again with your Mac and he said that solved the problem. So that's really interesting. I never heard about we knew about the reset the Bluetooth module that's come up a few times over the years but I never knew about that. I never heard it solving that problem. I'm not seeing that on this machine. Alright, well let's take a look I don't have my Bluetooth menu, oh I do have the Bluetooth menu in the menu bar so if I go to the menu bar and I shift option you are right this doesn't appear to be a... They changed the Bluetooth menu in the latest OS Yeah, that doesn't appear to be there so you have to do the how do we, there was a we found a way to reset Bluetooth in the the latest Monterey alright let's see if we can take a look here reset Bluetooth Monterey because I'm pretty sure there's a command line way of doing this Mac reports written by a friend Sir Hotkirt says with Big Sur and earlier you hold down shift and option you with Monterey you so for this it's just sudo pkill bluetooth D is the command and and that does it but then there is also and my guess is for Peter's problem one would have to do both of these things so killing bluetooth D just kills the process but doesn't kill the it doesn't reset any preferences it just restarts it the second thing that you have to do is delete slash library slash preferences slash com dot apple slash bluetooth dot plist and we'll put a link to Sir Hotkirt's article here in the show notes because that's how you're going to do it on Monterey interesting interesting but but I bet that works I bet that solves it yeah the other one with the underline reason is though I mean because I know people go years with never I know that's the thing right is like what's the something in there is corrupting that file correct over for him for him yeah yeah exactly yeah what setting is he is he changing that corrupts that file yeah I know yeah it's interesting alright so what we love about these things we learn speaking of of resetting systems we have a note from rand where he says I have an epson label works label printer it takes 30 foot cartridges of plastic labels that print sharp letters and don't fade or smudge it's small and can use bluetooth or usb it's half inch label size is great for computer equipment and it's epson I live by it recently out of the blue it stopped working with the software saying the printer was not connected weirdly it worked on an old mavericks machine but stopped but pooped out while on mojave says reinstalling the proper driver did nothing I stumbled on a reference to a procedure for wiping the apple print system some of you may know where we're going with this he says you go open up system preferences go into printers control click the printer panel in the printers and scanners pane there the printers will go away but you get a reset the apple print system option to click instead after doing so and then restarting my mac and then reinstalling the printer software it now works again like a charm says the same trick helped me with a bulky brother printer on my wife's new m1 iMac so there you go yeah reset that printing system it's a it's a hand I think that's one of the first quick tips we talked about probably even before we call them quick tips John years and years ago and if you want we have a new we have a new url formula for macikab that makes life super easy and works for historical data it's macikab.com slash episode slash episode number so if you want to listen to this episode to be macikab.com slash episode nine nineteen if you want to listen to the first episode and I advise you to do so at your own peril macikab.com slash episode slash one we'll get you there yeah yep it's there for the world to hear yep anyway there we are anything on that John no all right the we've been talking a lot about macOS shortcuts which obviously Monterey brings to us I noticed something if I went into shortcuts in in macOS Monterey and I go to the preferences there is an advanced section in preferences and in there you can turn on allow running scripts which is not on by default and when enabled the actions run apple script run shell script run javascript for mac automation run javascript on the web page and run script over SSH can all be run as part of shortcuts on your mac which opens things up quite a bit because being able to have a shortcut trigger even an apple script is fantastic because that way you can do it with Siri you can do it from the menu or you know any of the other things that can trigger shortcuts so I had no idea this was a thing and I just stumbled onto it the other day and it was like well I know what the first thing I'm doing is I'm putting it on the agenda as a quick tip yeah yeah you can also do it in an automator correct correct but automators not shortcuts understood right shortcuts comes from iOS and and appears to be sort of the future of of where these things are going not that automator is going away not that apple script is going away but I think shortcuts is a whole lot more you more certainly more user friendly than either of those options so being able to run your little terminal command inside of a shortcut or have someone who knows or is more comfortable with the terminal create you a shortcut and then you boom you've got a shortcut to use it's pretty good I like it is good you want to take us to Paul Mr. Braun sure maybe this is another strange thing I don't know macOS has a neat feature that I found it allows you to create a symbolic link on the root file system you need to create an etc slash synthetic dot conf file with the following line directory in root and directory to map to for example to map home to users just add the line home space users after you edit the file you need to reboot to have a take effect for more information type the following in the terminal man space synthetic dot conf we'll put this in the show notes I had never heard of the synthetic dot conf file interesting my question though okay so what he says is true but why would you want to do this yeah I feel the same way like I'm looking at the man page for synthetic dot conf and it says it describes virtual symbolic links and empty directories to be created at the root mount point oh this is is this sort of the the path into what Apple's using to merge the R2 volumes together the system volume and the data volume and then we can just tap into it for other things right kind of what the man page says yeah but there's no there is no atcsynthetic.com on my mac here so Apple's not relying on this which is good because they shouldn't be relying on something that's user editable to merge these volumes together but I wonder if it's the yeah I wonder if it's the same you know same construct just being exposed to users so interesting interesting all right well we have you know we have a lot more quick tips we're going to save those for the next episode or maybe later this episode we've got some cool stuff found we want to get to we have your questions that we want to get to and John if it all works for you the next thing that I'd like to get to is our first couple of sponsors we'll do alright hey you know how it goes if you're a software engineer you've been there it's 9 p.m. you're finally detaching or so you thought from work and then comes in the alert you watch your phone whatever buzzes something's broken and before you can even dig in you're starting to solve the problem too soon right you see the alert 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super thin and bus powered 14 inch display connects via usb c to your Mac Pete you might like something like this on the road it you know it it comes in a little like travel case that's super thin and padded but it's got a little you know kickstand on it that you can you can adjust it you plug in usb c it connects to the mac it's 1920 by 1080 resolution so you get a really nice you know I mean it's it's not a retina screen nor what I expect it to be for 249 bucks wow right but bus powered it's you know it's a pretty good little thing there so it weighs maybe a pound maybe yeah yeah I'm really stoked to be able to kind of play with this while speakers in it yeah um I don't think I think those are vents that yeah I don't believe I wasn't able it did not advertise speakers on my Mac and no in fact the website says no speakers so here we go so see if it'll focus yeah it's the other cool thing you mentioned the kickstand but you didn't talk about how it's infinite infinite angles yeah that's true oh it's perfect yeah let's see if I can get the there we go it's a great little it's a great little thing I've been messing with it I love that it's bus powered if you go to the spec sheet about this you will find that for windows and Android devices so this will plug into my iOS devices USB-C you know on my iPad certainly no problem um like yeah I guess I should say it'll plug into my iPad OS devices so power I don't know what that middle one is and then USB-C the middle one is a lock there's a little there's a little notch there to lock the cable to it yep the um brightness and yeah a sweet piece of gear it is a touchscreen thanks Dave yeah sure you're welcome Pete actually I have to send it back to Lenovo after my trip but you know that's okay FedEx lost it in showing there you go it is a touchscreen for Android and windows devices there are no touchscreen drivers for the Mac so while you can adjust the brightness and contrast using the touch panel on this you cannot use your Mac as a touchscreen on this so just know that going in but um but I love this idea of a travel screen I don't know if I'm supposed to put this in a check bag or not but I'm definitely just going to put it in my check bag I have no interest in putting it in my laptop case and you know away I go pretty stoked about that there's no battery in it that's awesome right but it is bus powered and it will pass bus power back through uh to your Mac so I could plug power into it and then just get back to my hotel or whatever my Airbnb plug in the cable and boom now my Mac's charging so it'll go either power will flow in their direction which is cool very cool I know yeah I'm pretty stoked about this so any thoughts on that Mr. Braun neat neat there you go yeah yeah I've I've messed if you Sonic has one too that I've messed with before I think there's a slightly bigger 15 inch it might be and you know it works I think view Sonic's needs power was the difference on that but just being able to have something that you know it might my son uses the view Sonic one that I have in his dorm room which is another place where you know spaces of the essence he doesn't always need the extra screen but when he wants it he can just pull it out and put it up so yeah cool stuff that's why I said it cool stuff you want to take us to Joe Mr. Braun yeah okay let's see Joe of course there's also sidecar right well that's I said yeah I'll use sidecar you know but with an iPad mini it doesn't give me a whole lot of space you know so I want more I'm picky you know it's all I have yeah and it's annoying that they moved sidecar from being a stand-alone item to something buried deep in displays that just kind of made me that kind of makes sense for me I mean I think I always did it no I guess I didn't always do it in displays I guess it was a separate thing but I don't know it to me makes sense for displays displays is where I go if I plug in HDMI it's you know I mean it's just seems like yeah but yeah it is moved for those of you that that are looking for it it's just in displays want to take us to Joe alright so Joe says listening to the February 14th episode a little late the issue of keeping mac windows in place upon restarts and such you recommended using the application stay for being able to fix windows based on monitor arrangement I had a similar problem in the past and found an application called Moom it has similar capabilities but in addition it also has the ability to have a window automatically use the left half or the right half of the window or the upper half or the bottom half pretty much any configuration you want to pre-define a window being able to take in addition you can have multiple configuration layouts that you can pre-define and then call them up with a key combination or select from the menu bar at the top anyways not having used stay not having used stay it seems like from the description in the show that Moom might be more feature filled and only cost 10 bucks since the 15 bucks for stay so it's nice having options yeah expensive options I messed with Moom Moom is from Rob Griffiths and company Rob was behind the site macOS 10 hints years ago that was eventually acquired by Mac Publishing and Macworld but Moom is you have pre-define spots as you just mentioned where you can put things stay lets me put the window where I want it and then tell stay to remember to restore the window to this place and so for me here quadrants isn't enough for me I need something more granular at least the last time I checked out Moom it did not do that it was just you had to use Moom's placement for things not your own placement for things which again as Joe said works well for him and that's like we talked about Moom on the show before I think it's great so yeah I could be wrong if I'm wrong well Rob will let me know cause he'll hear the episode and then he'll be like Dave you can do it this way you should try Moom again and then I'll probably try Moom again so there you go you got another one for us John yeah from whoops ok you went quiet there for a second well it's because the fire department is playing so I mute that unless you want to hear the sirens what was weird was we heard you you were quiet but not silent that's interesting yeah I mute try again let's experiment now ok now we can't hear you at all I can see that you're talking so it must have just been half muted alright anyways so Steve has a good one for us hidden files like .ds underscore store can sometimes wreak havoc with non-mac applications um and for those who don't know this is a file that macOS creates the . means that it's invisible so you normally can't see it but I think it's to store the arrangement of things on the desktop Dave yeah I think that's correct yes yes let's go with that sure yeah but um but he says an example is using a retro game emulation app in ops 10 for my legends ultimate arcade can index these files thinking they are games and they mess up menus and launching of games these files are also a nuisance to users of other operating systems and will clutter up any external usb drive or network attack volume or folder an app called blue harvest um which you can go to their site or their mac app store for any external non-mac formatted drives and quietly delete these hidden files as they are written you can configure which file types to delete it can also clean the files on demand when you plug in a drive for Synology users it can also delete the Synology hidden file at sign e a d i r yeah I didn't know about that yeah that's a thing that appears on Synology volumes for sure yeah interesting I can also clear these files off of network folders um so that's cool thank you and then he also points out a bonus um item here Paragon makes apps which allow you to read and write ntfs drives and ext4 which is typically a linux drives on the Mac yeah I don't think we've talked about them in a while yeah yeah good point yeah yeah I think normally uh I think normally mac os will only let you read ntfs right I believe that's still the case it's read or it's mounted read only yeah that's right yeah cool and for extfs I think I still use this I haven't used it recently but um I think fuse is another um thing that'll let you look at different uh is mac fuse even still a thing yeah I have it on one of my machines what the heck is that noise sounds like water there is a um there's a there's a big fan keep yeah keep talking I'm gonna I'm gonna turn that thing off keep talking though keep talking no okay I'm gonna keep talking water it's not talking it's fine it was just a fan back back to the show yeah when someone's doing this vamp stretch for time yes please do that yeah I have a um I have a sensible air filter I could have done it from my phone but it was faster to just walk over and hit the button I have a sensible air filter in the studio and it occasionally will notice that the air quality is such that it needs to process more wasn't me right it wasn't Pete that's right but it does happen like when there's you know multiple humans in here that the air gets a little more humid and so it does its processing and the I like that sensible thing if I if I wasn't in the middle of the show I definitely why would just let it do its thing and really it's not usually an issue because I don't have a microphone aimed that direction but with Pete here today I do picked it right up it picked it right up but um it's a great little air filter and it's it's iOS um internet advert and cool stuff yeah exactly yeah it's got an iOS app um you know that that you can control it with and all that stuff so really what I need to do is put a schedule in there that says just like turn it off while I'm doing the show or something um but uh but yeah I'll put it up it's the sense of up here I am 90% sure that that's what that's what it is so fun makes it it's good stuff yeah I like having it up here it was something I was happy to put up here when we first started rehearsing uh at you know as covid was it really I mean it was long before vaccinations were a thing but three of us in one of the bands I'm in were able to get tested at UNH where because I was a professor there last year and they are professors there still uh I guess I'm on sabbatical anyway uh does that count after teaching just one class once uh permanent sabbatical no not permanent I may come back to it yeah I did not enjoy teaching during times of covid for a variety of reasons I mean it was just it was it was tough I mean doing a podcasting class while everybody either had to wear masks or be distance I don't know it just it wasn't it wasn't my thing uh but I'm I'm eager to try it in more normal times and that being said UNH had this has this PCR lab where literally you get results within like hours it's almost rapid PCR it's amazing what they set up there uh for all their students and professors and so we were able to all go get tested you know not leave our homes and then come here and jam which was amazing to be able to like yeah yeah yeah but you know having the air filter made me happier so anyway plus also have smelly musicians in the room all the time and so let's be honest it's it it makes a huge difference you know what it makes a difference with is if somebody leaves an empty beer can up here because that stuff over you know the studio doesn't have a lot of ventilation because it's super soundproofed and it stinks the next day like awful yeah yeah so always try speaking of tests Dave yes you know that you can order more free kits i i notice that you can order more antigen tests yeah they doubled up the deal at home's order now to two batches of four amazing yeah actually mine is coming today because nice I get texts from usps sure so that's a coded tests dot gov folks to get your free kit there you go and then of course it assuming if I don't want to assume if you have health coverage here in the US you can buy covid tests at the you know whatever right aid amazon whatever you like and your health insurance provider will almost certainly because I think it's mandated restore reimburse you for eight tests per month per person I think that's still the the number check with your provider but pretty sure that's how it goes yep and I got my masks too nice excellent that's great so my local local pharmacy um yeah all of a sudden they announced on the PA they're like hey come and get your free N95 masks oh there you go cool so that's nice yeah so I found when I was teaching that class because I had to figure out how to be like in front of a group of people and talking for 90 minutes with a mask on because that was you know the policy in the classroom and N95 masks I found I was in like talking with them on I wound up basically chewing on the mask certainly cloth masks were worthless for it for a variety of reasons but I did find those KF94 the Korean you know version of the you know KN95 or the N95 the KF94 it's a the design of them has a piece that just keeps it off of your face and I found that super so that's standardized on I've got a million of them everywhere and they're you know like the KN95 they're disposable so I would you know use it and throw it away and start it have a new one for each class and it was great uh speaking of problems we have encountered here a few weeks ago you might remember that I had an issue where I was cold John and Pete because I had no heat here and it was because I'd run out of propane both at the house and the office which was this odd coincidence well John you mentioned during the show that I could get a monitor that connected to you know cellular and would then allow me on my phone to see and get notifications about the status of our tanks the good news is one of our propane companies told me that they were going to put one on our tanks they also were the one we had we have 200 gallons worth of we have 200 gallon tanks at the house and 100 gallon tank here at the office or maybe it's 200 gallon tanks I don't know whatever it is we have double the size tanks at the house that we have at the office uh DF for shard is the company we have at the house uh Irving is the company we have here at the office for anybody that's local for those of you it doesn't matter to fill so we had to fill up the tanks the tanks at the house all the tanks on the same day so prices are the same all else is equal two different propane companies the double set of tanks at the house cost me 30% more than the single tank here at the office it also turns out that the company that filled my tanks at the house DF for shard were the ones that were going to put a free monitor on my tank I will let you guess what happened next we now have that company serving both the house in the office and they put these Nevo monitors on uh NE-VO though really I think it's you know whatever your if your propane provider will do it but it's a simple little app obviously they get to see the results of the readings which is the most important thing so they know when to come but I can set alerts for two different levels of the tank so I have it set to alert me get 30% and it 20% and since we've put the monitors on there I see it get to 30% and then often the same day I get another alert which is the third alert you can set and that is when your tank has been filled and and there are no more problems they don't have to worry about predictive engines to know when to come and fill us up they know exactly where we are they can they can use that to schedule their trucks and they're good to go so very handy little thing and yeah it connects to whatever the you know some version of the cellular network I don't know what it is but it it took the guy all of about 8 seconds to put this monitor on the tank yeah I don't know it taps into the mechanical gauge on the top of the tank I don't know how I didn't see him do it because it happened so quickly we were just having a conversation and he walked away from the tank I'm like you're done he's like yeah it just it just snaps right on there like oh okay cool great so I think you can point it out John I think you can get these things on your own if you want but check with your propane company as they might do it for you yeah I'm surprised you don't have a direct to the house option we don't have propane in the neighborhood I would say most of the world doesn't have propane to the neighborhood do you don't have propane to your neighborhood right Pete we do not yeah and when our heater broke for the pool the tank sat there for 2 years yeah it's no more propane yeah we don't have the only thing we have is electric and then either cable, phone and or fiber so we have wires to the house we don't have pipes to the house we're in like 2 acre zoning here I don't think it would make sense to pump water we have a well for water and we have propane I mean it's been like that in every house I've owned that we've we've had electric and we've had the wires but we've always had a well and always had whatever like our house in Austin or in Buda well in Austin proper we didn't own that house we rented it that we had natural gas coming from the street and water coming from the street but that was a city but I guarantee you where you grew up and I would be shocked if you had anything but electric from what I recall they would run it but they would charge you a huge amount of money if you wanted to get it from run what natural gas to your house I think they eventually got enough people to get together where they did install gas lines no we had oil I think we even had the same thing with cable for a while is that they're like well we're not going to run cable to your place because you live in the sticks and it's like thanks for nothing yeah yeah that's how it works I mean I've told the story on the show about how we got an ISDN line at our house in Buda which is a town just outside of Austin but you know we were on we were on three acres there and I think we had a smaller plot of land we had horses at home and things like that and it took months to get this ISDN line the way it worked because of the way the government provisioning I think it was GTE served the area the rural areas outside of or around Austin and we had a different company that served Austin itself GTE's deal was they had to provide this list of services and ISDN lines were one of them but no one in my switch had ever ordered one so I called up and ordered one the day we put we got the offer accepted on the house and I'm like hey can we do ISDN they're like yep what's the cost they're like 45 dollars a month is there a contract they're like nope great what's the installation time they're like well we have a 60 day window to install it that's the deal we closed on the house maybe 45 days later you know I'm calling them are we still good you know this is the appointment day you gave me we still good they're like yep day of the appointment I'm home I took the day off of work they call me up and they're like yeah so this is the day that the local switch office got the order for it they're like we don't have this here like we are we are not equipped for ISDN here but you're right like you ordered it and you're right and we've ordered the gear but they didn't tell us until today that we needed to have this it's like okay so how long is that going to take they're like it's probably another you know whatever week or 10 days it wasn't terribly long like okay well let me know and then we'll do it and the guys like yeah it's so you know they came out 10 days later whatever it was and the guy was telling me how they had ordered $70,000 worth of equipment to put ISDN at the head end or switch or you know central office whatever you know whatever the name of it was and then you know we had to ISDN goes over a copper pair and we had one copper pair coming to the house and we needed to run a line that had two and it just so happened that the pole that was coming from was across the street from my house so we had to all kind of go out and they had to cut down the old line and then run the new one so we all went out and like the speed limit in front of my house is like 50 miles an hour on this rural road so we had to go out and make sure that there was nobody you know that we were going to drop this cable on when they cut it so we're all out there it was fine and we see this truck coming up the wrong side of the road going slow the guy with his arm out the window and I'm like what the heck is this so we wait and the guy comes up and I asked him like what are you doing and he's like oh yeah I'm here with Time Warner now you have to remember this is 1998 he says I'm I'm here with Time Warner and he says we're putting in there was a development like you know half a mile down the street from my house he's like we're putting in cable in that development and I'm here measuring to see how many houses there are per mile or whatever between our head end and that development to see if it makes sense to put cable in digital cable in here which was brand new at the time and I said that would mean Roadrunner the cable modem service too right he's like yeah I'm like well is like are there enough he's like the decisions not up to me I'm like yeah but you do this you know better than anybody today he's like yeah they're definitely going to do it and the faces on the ISDN guys there were four of them out there installing this line with no contract we're like well do you still want us to run the line and I'm like yep I'm going to use it for as long as I have to so the Roadrunner gets here for you know ten times the speed for the same price or whatever so it's great we went from having satellite dish which was our only option we had I don't know whether it was direct TV or dish I can't remember we had satellite dish phone electric and then ISDN which was also a phone run to the house for a little while and then cable came in I don't know I think it was that was August that we that we moved in and had the ISDN line installed and I think by October we were on a cable had that ISDN line for two months so anyway same things about to happen here they're running fiber to my neighborhood they ran it to mine we're on a fiber connection right now yeah yeah no it's oh man it's the way to go it's so good alright we have more stuff to talk about questions tips cool stuff found the next thing I would love to do if it's if it's alright by you Mr. Braun is talk about our next couple of sponsors sounds great alright well as you know I'm about to head out on a long road trip for me 11 days I'll be in Austin for South by Southwest and LA for podcast movement evolutions and I'm looking forward to it but there's a few things that I'm going to miss my family of course is one of them another one is my Helix mattress I have been sleeping so well for the last year here at home 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and I were talking about our favorite sources for glasses because your local eye doctor is probably charging you about three times what you would pay for this is not a sponsor read by the way this is just a sharing life advice yeah I know it follows on a sponsor read so I just wanted to make sure there was there was a distinction there we always like to be very upfront about those things and this is this is very much us sharing with you but I've been buying glasses I thankfully I only need glasses when driving or like watching movies or whatever but but I need them and so I I have been buying glasses from Zeni optical for years they make great glasses I for what I need you know even with like all the bells and whistles with the anti-glare and they even have an anti fog glasses which makes sense you know wearing mask and stuff I I pay like I don't know it's like less than 50 bucks a pair of glasses and yeah it's crazy so you know I usually order glasses once every I say probably every two years or something I already like two pairs of glasses and and get them and they're they're fantastic and it's you know literally you know my eye doctor was charging like 150 bucks a pair or something like that or more so I wanted to share that with Pete you use a another service yeah I do I use I buy direct EYE BUY direct there's a link in the show notes at MackieGab.com cool last show notes and the link no at MackieGab.com just go to MackieGab.com the slash show notes link that's only for us it no it's for the live show it changes yeah yeah yeah but if you go to MackieGab.com it's in the show notes for okay that's what I meant yeah it's fine I was seeing if you'd catch that Dave I probably normally wouldn't but I'm super sensitive to all the URLs because I was just migrating them the other night there you go and the link that's in there I'll get you ten dollars off the other thing though is be when you're if you decide to go to I buy direct go to Google and look for some coupon codes because I know I saved a bunch of money using a coupon code and but same thing I normally my deck was you know four hundred fifty dollars or more for these glasses that I wear if you're looking on the on the live stream you'll note that they're anti-glare but they're the progressive no-line buy focal they're the transitions they get dark outside frameless and that they're really expensive glasses but I kind of need my eyes for work so I I'm paying for myself with my glasses I go high-end and all that and it was it was probably half price what I was paying my ophthalmologist who recently went out of business and gave me the here's your last prescription thank you that's right yeah yeah I recently got progressives because as you get old the thing is I kept having to do this what's this right just tell them raise of my glasses and looking down to read stuff that was up close whereas yeah the progressives eliminate the need for that solve that problem yeah that's great yeah yeah yeah I've had great we and everybody in my house uses zany and and the coupon thing holds true I would I would shop both my my the best part for me is because they're super inexpensive I can buy glasses to wear on stage like sunglasses or tinted glasses of varying shades and degrees and you know I'll spend 30 bucks on on glass fun glasses with you know like I have rainbow glasses and like crazy different glasses that I wear on stage and it's great because they can have my prescription and I'm so I get to see the audience clear which is good yeah yeah right it's it actually works out really well that it keeps it you know keeps it fun and and all that good stuff so the oval anyway alright ken has a question that hopefully we can provide some help with as well ken says on my mac mini he's running a 2014 mac mini this issue it doesn't matter what mac you're running if I've seen this on all of them he says my mac has a problem where I can't run apps from the dock I can't empty the trash from the dock nothing responds the dock appears but I can't click on anything he says I can't I can go to spotlight and type the name of the app and use things it's just the dock that's holding back he says once I did a command tab which made the running app shrink on the screen but then I couldn't click on anything looks like a dock issue he says maybe a finder issue but I don't know how to fix it he says I restarted my mac and that solved it yeah the dock sometimes this just happened to me on my m1 air but again it doesn't really matter the other night and I what I do I certainly could restart but instead I go to the terminal and I type kill all dock that kill all is one word all lowercase dock is one word with a capital D and then it just kills the dock and restarts the process and boom that's it the kill all command from the terminal by the way is a way of killing processes by name instead of by process number so I do kill all space the name of the process with this it happens to be just dock so it's super simple to remember and it solves that problem it doesn't happen to me often but it does happen so kill all dock that's it have you guys ever seen that fortunately no interesting yeah yeah I don't know that's awesome man kill all yeah kill all is a handy command yeah yeah yeah you know it is a relatively new one for me I think I found out about it certainly within the last five years it might even be the last three and it was from one of you you sent in it might have even been this you know a couple years ago somebody might have sent in something about kill all dock but it was kill all something and I'm like well what what magic is this I know not of this sure enough there was I seem to remember doing that you know shelling in for my phone or something and exactly killing something but I do did it with the process ID not the you know you had to know the ID not I didn't know you could do the name exactly right yeah exactly I've always done it with the process ID but the first thing you have to do is like p s dash space you know space dash a x and get the list of the processes with the IDs and like okay yeah I'll put that command in there to p s a x because that's another just handy one to to know about probably get that from the activity monitor as well you can also get the process ID from the activity monitor but if you're on your phone you may not like it depending on how locked up your mac is you may or may not be able to launch activity monitor just memorize I mean you'll be fine no they change every time p every time you launch a process the system assigns it a new ID they do they do not stay the same okay well when you start up go in memorize them for that session sure that's great that's gonna be super hidden yeah that's a good good use of brain cells all right that's a good way to waste brain cells all right I got a better way oh no that's no that's another show that's a different show that's right that's that's the musicians that I have over here that's right the band's not quite ready to come in yet we've still got a little more time all right anything on that John before we jump to the next one nope all right Sandra says I had a weird thing happen and was wondering if you had any idea what's going on I was at a restaurant recently where the bill that was handed to me contained a qr code and the total price before tip the idea is that you're supposed to use your iPhone camera your phones camera scan the code and click the button that comes up and say pay your bill now however when I use my iPhone 12 Pro to do so the phone transferred to a blank Safari page that said something to the effect of Safari can't verify the site both of my companions iPhones an iPhone 13 mini and an iPhone 11 if that matters I don't think it does read the code and got a button that said pay your bill now that's a nice way of getting your friends to pay the bill there you go yep and when they clicked on it they were taken to a web page where they could add a tip and pay the bill when we returned home I decided to try reading the code again and I got to pay your bill now button any idea what was going on with my phone I looked in settings and didn't see anything that might have caused it if any of you have a guess I'm happy to let you guess I'm pretty sure I know what's going on but mine's a guest too as often it is anyone ooh she was using Safari well yes but I don't think that was the issue well in a sense though it might be but not specifically Safari I think it was private relay this is a thing that I've seen especially with secure sites it's not supposed to happen it's not how iCloud private relay is built but you are proxying through another you know another server when iCloud private relay is running and that can cause trouble right it's not supposed to but it can then why did her friends pay why aren't they going through the same iCloud private relay not necessarily even if they have iCloud private relay turned on which they may not they're still they might be going through a different server that's not having any trouble if you go to settings iCloud which means tapping on your name and then private relay beta you can turn that setting off on iOS 15 and if that doesn't do it there are two other places that you can look I think for what Sandra was seeing it is iCloud private relay and not the subset of it which is the limit IP address tracking but that is something you can turn off both for cellular and for Wi-Fi so you get a settings cellular you choose your plan and then limit IP address tracking that's you turn that off and essentially the same thing on Wi-Fi you go to Wi-Fi settings Wi-Fi and then hit the little I next to your network the little info button I and then there will be an option there for limit IP address tracking that is per Wi-Fi network you can try turning that off generally the limit tracking doesn't impact the loading of sites like Sandra saw but it certainly depending on if Apple classifies the entire website as a tracker it could so you know those would be the places that I would look to solve that but it sounds like the problem was solved your friends paid for lunch so that's a win you need to take a screenshot of that show them that every time I like it I wish I could this would be I really want to pay a friend of mine actually Scott Jordan who runs Scotty vest was posting the other day he saw one of these same things and his complaint about it it worked for him but he couldn't split the bill there was no option to split the bill with that you know thing and I mean you know it's like there's always something but it was an interesting observation that's like all right I can't do it that way but you can always use like Venmo or whatever to bring you know all right I had something similar um I'm sure it's not in this case but it could be a lot of places offer free Wi-Fi um here's something funny that I found that I actually told the people at my local grocery store because they have free Wi-Fi you know a lot of people offer it but they're also using a filtering product I think it was from Cisco because what I tried to do so I also play the lottery on my phone I was connected to their Wi-Fi and I tried to go to the Connecticut lottery site to look something up and it's like nope I'm not going to let you I'm like dude you sell lottery tickets so why are you filtering out my going to um the classification was gambling and apparently I guess they didn't want you to connect to gambling sites but it's like you sell lottery tickets I honestly I think you might be right John I think there's a better than even chance that you know Sandra's phone was connected to the local yet crappy Wi-Fi at the restaurant and her friends phones were just connected to cellular and so Sandra had a you know they didn't have trouble connecting I think we've all seen that where you connect to whatever store Wi-Fi here for free .com or whatever and that's it you can't get any data that might have been it yeah I mean they filtered other stuff which makes sense like adult sites I mean that didn't get to any of those either John John was testing he's just testing research that's right for the show yeah that's right yeah it's all tax deductible too it does that make your lottery tickets tax deductible now that you you talked about him on the show and and work that in nice piece of valuable give it a shot what could go wrong what could go wrong yeah that would be amazing gambling losses yeah it would be gambling I mean actually you don't even need to that doesn't even need to be on your schedule see right I'm not an accountant please don't follow me for accounting advice but you barely play one on the show it's barely good for you to follow me for tech advice folks medical advice accounting advice you know I make it up as I go just like I do the tech stuff but now if you're an illegalized gambling otherwise known as the stock market you can write off your margin interest of course right yeah yeah but you're right you can write off gambling losses you have to take the gains legit that's legit yeah yeah yeah and most I mean legalized get like your lottery is legalized gambling and and if you have you know casinos that are open under the law that would also be legalized gambling so not just the stock market yeah stock markets more like poker right right well I mean you like you have some information about potentially have some information about why things might go one way or another it's not entirely left up to chance so yeah that doesn't mean you're going to be right just means you have information that could mislead you or lead you and you're always going to pay the big so you're always paying the big vigorous vigorous right that's where that word comes from vigorous vigorous that's it vigorous vigorous yeah I just learned that the other day on the always sunny podcast I never knew that big was short for vigorous vigorous yeah I don't know what vigorous means that's the 10% fee you pay to a bookie well I know what it is well that's that's what it means I don't know I don't know why let's get another circular conversation etymology of the word vigorous is yeah I can work on that okay move on okay productive we're going to answer Julie's question Pete is going to do the important work of figuring out why the word is vigorous all right you want to take us to Julie John yeah so Julie our friend Julie haven't seen her for a while um says I have a 2020 MacBook Pro that is still running Catalina 10.15.7 I remember hesitating to move from Catalina to Big Sur for some reason maybe GarageBand but I'd like to bring it up to date to Monterey since I've forgotten what my objections were to upgrading maybe it was 64-bit apps do you know what might have prompted me to delay I feel I'm about to get caught so here's where you cut me off I'm not going to understand your hesitation Julie um other than restriction on 32-bit apps changing the features of the built-in apps not to our liking and changing the way the kernel extensions are implemented if for no other reason Apple typically drops support security updates and whatnot once an OS is about three years old um I found this little ditty that confirms this and it was an article at a national or campus and they pretty much say the same thing they're like we're not going to support this operating system uh moving forward so please upgrade so that's what I gotta say so I would suggest that yes you do upgrade yeah I I would agree with that I upgraded all of my Macs are now on Monterey or whatever their most you know the most up to date OS they can be is the Studio Mac as I've mentioned the one here in the podcast studio is the one I update the slowest but um all the all the drivers were there for all my hardware and such and it was a I talked about this couple weeks ago but it was non-issue yeah so I I think unless you have a very specific reason not to upgrade and and certainly you might you know if you've got some special hardware even special software that you know is not compatible with you know a newer OS and I would say yeah I agree I agree with John I think you're right there yeah you know the suggestion would be to get a virtualization product and copy that for for apps that may not survive the upgrade you may want to consider that parallels or whatever product yeah I guess that's right if she's on an Intel MacBook Pro that would be an option if she's on an M1 that's not an option right I don't think you can even virtualize Mac OS on an M1 but maybe I'm wrong about that I interesting right I you certainly can't virtualize Intel Windows or even emulate an Intel and run Windows on an M1 at least not as of the last time I checked I don't know about Mac OS though so that would be the question there so do you know John whether M1 maybe somebody in the chat room at live.mac.com will tell us before the show ends so it's such a different world than it was 15 years ago though I mean when Mac went to Intel yes it opened up the world to all the Windows users hence me that's why I was able to switch and now Mac is so widely accepted and used it's becoming less of an issue obviously there are specific apps yeah yeah I don't know Pete did you find anything out about an important thing? I found the word it's Yiddish slang from the Russian which is winnings and VYV is out from the Indo-European roots of Igrat to play so it's Vygrish out of the winnings and play interesting does that count as one of the five things? like I said I learned that the word is Vygrish on the always sunny podcast which is three guys talking and well perhaps not similar to us super irreverent like way more irreverent than us I think Rob McElhenney I can bring it we can all bring it answer to that question when the other guys asked where does that come from he said now he grew up in the streets of Philadelphia he's like that's some goomba word well that doesn't actually that's not correct because I think it's Yiddish yeah exactly interesting Vygrish now we know but John can do math so that surprised me he placed the lottery cause right what's the lottery attacks on people who can't do math that is if we're going to be irreverent about things there you go and John I guess maybe I can't do math no I play the lottery too every now and then but not unless it's about 300 million or more it's just not worth my dollar for that for 250 million well the good news is in the chat here Mark Withers asked is that the red Vygrish or the black Vygrish yes yes it is that would make a fantastic show title although without context I fear someone might read that and think the worst there is that I was thinking how not to waste brain cells that's a much better that's a much better show title see I think it's pretty obvious that we are in the outro of the show by now and wasting brain cells yes that's right at the risk of actually getting an answer to this question do either of you have anything more to add I got nothing John any more thoughts on any of this will we get out of here John still here he's nodding no not louder John we are an audio show just because we can see each other we're still an audio show alright how not to waste brain cells folks well I think we've given you some examples of how to fill your brain cells with valuable things and perhaps some ways of perhaps hurting them but maybe not too many ways of hurting them we don't like to hurt anybody it's never the goal we like to help you get back at Mackie Cub.com that's where you can send in your quicks your questions and your quill stuff found sure I don't know easy for me to say but that is where you get that's where you contact this Feedback at Mackie Cub.com John did you say Feedback at Mackie Cub.com that's how it is that's how it be alright folks make sure to check out our sponsors at Mackie Cub.com check out the new site at Mackie Cub.com and let us know what you think let us know if you see any issues with it it was funny I was talking to Lucas my son who is a fantastic programmer actually I think he's better than me already before right before I was getting together with Adam the other night to sort of take what the work that I say we had done mostly Adam had done and make it the live site to do to transition things and Lucas said well good luck it's like I know you have a lot to do I hope that you're able to get it done I said you don't understand this is getting done Adam and I both have some travel coming up the time limit on my contract with the new owners of Mack Observer is effectively going to expire right about it when I get back from my my travels so it was like you know it's going to happen I said what we are doing tonight is defining what MVP is minimum viable product and that will be what we roll I said there are some features I would love to have an MVP but I don't know if I'm going to get my way or not and we worked from about from my time about 10.30pm to Adam and I worked until about 2.30am and then I was up for another 90 minutes or so kind of doing what I'll call some finish carpentry if you will so it is very much minimum viable product and just like this camera that I'm using that seems to want to go out of focus on me all day today I don't know why that's happening but it is MVP I believe everything works but not only are we going to be adding different features and sections to the site we're also going to be enhancing the functionality so if there's something that you see there let us know. Feedback I'm at geekyub.com I'd love to hear from you there's a link on the page to where you can see our sponsors and then there's also the sponsors that we mentioned in this episode of course bearbones.com helixsleep.com comg.io comg.io comg.io comg.io comg.io it's a formula amazing as long as we don't screw it up let's see we gave the advice don't screw it up we gave the advice how not to kill your brain cells and John you got us into this what is the Pete what's the something else don't get caught oh look at that the music started I got caught I hit the wrong button it's how it seems to me it seems to me I blame my brain cells I blame you guys fifth Monday of the week fifth Monday of the week it's how it seems to me