 Welcome to the 2003 Shepherd's Conference, General Session Number One, John MacArthur. Never did I expect that the major focus of my life would be to protect the Gospel from the church. Never. But that has been the primary issue of my life through all these years. It was 1988 when I wrote the book The Gospel According to Jesus. It was 1993 when I wrote a subsequent book, The Gospel According to the Apostles, originally called Faithworks. Both of those books were my response to the obligation of 2 Timothy 1, 13, and 14. Hold on to sound words and guard the treasure. And of course, at the very heart of the treasure is the Gospel. And I was at the time profoundly exercised over that guardianship trying in some small way to rescue the true Gospel from those who perhaps unwittingly but nonetheless were stripping it of its truth and its power. Well, it turned out to be a significant issue at the time. And several other books were written to defend the common view of the Gospel that was growing in the soil of a leading evangelical seminary and being disseminated everywhere that the graduates of that seminary had influence. It was as if I was saying something foreign to the existing evangelicalism of the time. And because these people in that environment were so biblical and so right so much of the time, the defective Gospel was sliding under the radar. Those were issues that were just critical to the saving of the true Gospel. And I think people were awakened at the time to it at least some. In case you've forgotten what those issues were, here is a summary from publications written in rebuttal to the Gospel according to Jesus and the Gospel according to the apostles. And I'm just going to give you some things that came out of books written by the faculty of that school. Repentance is just a synonym for faith. No turning from sin is required for salvation. Another one, faith might not last. A Christian, true Christian can completely cease believing. Here's another one. Saving faith is simply being convinced or giving credence to the truth of the Gospel. It is confidence that Christ can remove guilt and give eternal life. It is not a personal commitment to Him. Here's another one. Only the judicial aspects of salvation such as justification, adoption, imputed righteousness, and positional sanctification are guaranteed for believers in this life. Practical sanctification, growth in grace requires a post-conversion act of dedication. Here's another one. Submission to Christ's supreme authority as Lord is not essential to salvation. Just file that one in your mind. Submission to Christ's supreme authority as Lord is not essential to salvation. The news that Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead is the complete Gospel. Nothing else must be believed for salvation. Here's another one. Christians may fall into a state of lifelong carnality. A whole category of carnal Christians born again people who continuously live just like the unsaved exists in the church. Here's another one. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. That's you on tape. Welcome. Welcome to the BCV channel. I am your host, Pastor Seco Woods. Please do the following. Please like, subscribe, share, hit that notification bell at the bottom of the video. That way whenever I go live or post any content, you'd be one of the first to view it. 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Now, with that being said, this live has been prepared in advance for quite some time, and I was just able to produce it and put it and put it up online live today. Now, I'm letting you all know right now straight out the gate, straight out the gate. If you have little children that are watching this stream with you, this will not be that kind of stream that you want them to watch, because later on in this video, there is going to be content that will be unsuitable for young ears. And I would even say unsuitable for spiritually immature ears. I'll say will be unsuitable for anyone who does not want to hear the truth. So I give you a few moments to go ahead and tap out now. I'll give you a few moments to exit the chat, exit the live, and maybe you want to watch it later. Or maybe you may not want to watch it at all, but I'm giving you the disclaimer right now. Because what I have to say, I'm not going to pull any punches. What I have to say, names will be mentioned in this live. And if it hits, it hits. If it doesn't, it doesn't. The one thing I don't have time for are games. I have a PlayStation upstairs, and I have two grandsons that I can play with. I don't play when it comes to the word of God, and neither do I play when it comes to the people of God. You come here to hear truth, and nothing less should be presented. So would that be in the case? Would that be in the case? Let's get into it. Let's run this. Let's do this. Now, I already know that Cory Miner did a video, I believe yesterday or the day before, whenever, and his video was titled The Truth About Jay Mack. The only problem with that is another thing that you said about Jay Mack is true, but I'll address that in another live. If you're all looking for beef, you won't find it here, but what you will find is biblical truth. What you will find is a man is going to say what he says and mean what he says. So this is never personal for me. This is going to always be biblical, always be biblical. By God's grace, I don't have to make nothing personal, but I will be making a response video to Cory Miner's video regarding John MacArthur, regarding John MacArthur, and my reason or reasons for doing so will be stated in that video. But tonight, that's not that video. Tonight is the video that I will be asking questions. In fact, I'm going to force you, the viewer, to ask yourself questions. You just heard the clips from John MacArthur when he hosted the 2003 Shepherds Conference. By the way, I was present and accounted for at that particular conference. That was, in fact, the very first conference that I attended. I attended that conference. In fact, you can hear me, yours truly, at the 2003 Shepherds Conference session number eight, Questions and Answers. My name is mentioned. I asked him a question regarding his relationship and friendship with Tony Evans, Cory Miner's former pastor, regarding the book that Tony Evans did, entitled Totally Saved, that John MacArthur ripped, I mean, ripped Tony Evans a new one in love. But he mentioned, he made shots, he threw shots at Tony Evans in his sermons in that session. I was right there. He even used terms like trans, trans, dispensationalized them. He was a shot at Tony Evans in his book while saying at the same time that he loved Tony Evans. But he said, in that Q&A, don't take my word for it. In that Q&A, he said, John MacArthur said, he loves Tony Evans. Tony is his friend, but he can't defend him if he's putting statements and things in a book that's unbiblical. He said, if you put it out there, it's public, you said it, that's it. That's what John MacArthur said in 2003. Again, don't take my word for it. Moderators, I hope my sister Dinah was here, but moderators, you can go and click the Shepherds Conference and go to 2003, session number eight, Questions and Answers, and you will hear me near the end of that Q&A. Ask John MacArthur that specific and particular question, because in fact, my pastor at the time in 2003 is the brother-in-law of Tony Evans, Paul Cannings. Tony Evans' sister is Lois Evans, whose former name was Lois Cannings. So I was a member of a church whose pastor was related to Tony Evans by marriage. Yeah. So the question that I was asking because I was asking out of concern and I was also asking because I knew that my pastor at the time took issue with what MacArthur said and he wanted to know. I said, well, you know what? If I get a shot, I'll go up there and I'll ask him. And when the mics were available, I stepped up to the mic and I asked my question and it's on tape. You can check it out for yourself at your leisure. Now, reason why I say that is because you heard it yourself. You heard it what John MacArthur himself said regarding prolonged sin, excuse me, disobedience and prolonged sin and actually the context, because context matters, ladies and gentlemen, the context was John MacArthur citing quotes from theologians from Dallas Theological Seminary, who were making statements against MacArthur's lordship salvation view of which I hold to lordship salvation. I hold to that. Luke 646 is my key and several other passages. But nonetheless, I agree and I stand with MacArthur regarding that. I agree with his book, The Gospel According to Jesus and the Gospel According to the Apostles. So when MacArthur was making these statements and he was quoting these people and giving their statements verbatim, that is the context. MacArthur himself is not saying that disobedience and prolonged sin is no reason to question one's salvation. He's actually rebutting that. He's actually bristling and coming against that position, that those who hold to the anti-laworship view. But here's the issue that I found rather interesting, which the Lord brought to my remembrance that this is the very conference that I heard him say that and that statement I want to bring as my means of evidence. John MacArthur's own words of how he disagrees with that view, with that position, with that statement. My only thing is what happens when you are the one who are disobedient and living in prolonged sin. Do we have a right to question your salvation now, Pastor MacArthur? What makes you exempt now from that very statement that you now condemned? Just asking. Years ago when I was attending Robert College, my theology professor, he's gone now. He passed years ago. But I remember he disagreed with MacArthur's view on on lordship salvation. And I remember in theology class, my professor had made the statement and we were going through the book of Galatians. We were going through the book of Galatians and in Galatians chapter five, versus 19 to 21, where it lists the deeds of the flesh. And as we're going through those, those, those deeds of the flesh through that list, I recall, I remember my professor when when we were reading what Paul said, and those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. My professor said out of his own mouth, he said that that text there does not mean loss of salvation, or it does not mean that you're not, you're not saved, or it does not mean that you're going to hell. It means that you're going to lose rewards. That's what he said. And when I read that, and I read other text, where it says in those who practice such things should not inherit the kingdom of God, it was never akin or correlated to losing rewards, but it was always correlated and related to losing one soul, going to hell because of the pattern of a behavior. So I had always, I had always wondered why the professor made that claim and stood 10 toes down on that statement and said that Galatians chapter five verses 19 to 21 has nothing to do with a person who's practicing these things, going to hell if they continue to do these things. He said that. He said that. And that always troubled me, always troubled me. Because in my mind, now I'm like, wait a minute, you taught me how to interpret scripture. I went to Bible study methods and I understand observation and interpretation and application. I understand how to extrapolate the text. I understand what exegesis means from isegesis. I understand how I'm to ask the questions of who, what, when, where, the why, the how. I was taught all of that. So my senses have been trained to understand context. So when my professor at the time said that, it bothered me and it never settled in my spirit. Never. Every time we talked about that and he mentioned that, it concerned me. And now I understand why it concerned me because later in during my tenure of attending the college, this same professor was caught and was exposed for having a 10 year adulterous affair with his secretary who was neighbors of him and his wife. And it was a 10 year affair and it rocked the school. It rocked the church. It rocked the Christian community that were aware and that held this man in such high regard and in such high esteem. But it all made sense to me once I realized that. Once I realized that this man's exegesis was based on his sinful experience that he did not want to deal with, it all came clear. It made much more sense that of course you would say that Galatians chapter five verses 19 through 21 would teach that a person who practiced these things should not inherit the kingdom of God, meaning they will lose rewards but not lose their soul. Of course you would say that because you're the one that's practicing these things and you've been practicing them for 10 plus years. And so God and his sovereignty exposed you and expose him. God did. Now that was God's grace and my wife can attest to that because she was there. It affected it affected many people. It affected our church at the time that I was a co-elder of because at this time the professor who was a pastor of his own church as well too, that church defrocked him. That church basically fired him, made him step down. It was a biblically elder rule, elder layer church. Even though he was the main guy that would be pastoring, he was flanked by, at the time that I realized it and knew about it, he was flanked by godly men, biblical elders. And when it was brought to their attention, they immediately had him to step down and he was no longer the pastor at that particular church, but it was devastating. But God's grace was still, was still displayed in that whole situation. Unfortunately, the church that I was co-pastoring, co-eldering, if that's the word, at they were about to bring this same professor who all of us knew to allow him to speak at our church. And I said, not on my watch. How can we do this? His own church is not letting him speak. He needs to step down. He doesn't need to be speaking anywhere. And it caused a little bit of tension and a little bit of a, a little bit of a disagreement. But it got to the point to where we had to get, we were at an impasse. And here's what I said. If he's coming here, if you let this man come here, me and my family would not be attending here anymore. And the elders at that time was four of us. I made one of the, I was one of the four elders. And I told those three, those three brothers, I said, if y'all let this man come here, in light of what you already know to be true, I'll be leaving this fellowship. Me and my family would not be attending this place anymore. And their words to me were, you, you would go that far to do that? I said, yes, I would. I said, because that sends the wrong message to the church. I said, because we know why this man is no longer a pastor. And now we're going to let this man come. It's not that we are dissing and attacking him, but what does that sin, what message does that send to God's church, to God's people? And it's not that we can't do these things, but for the grace of God, we don't. But we can't excuse sin, especially when it has not been biblically dealt with. And so he was scheduled to come and one of the elders that knew him better than, and well than the other, than all of us did, he reached out to the, to the, to the, to the professor and to that former pastor and told him that he would not be able to, to come, to speak at our church. And, and, and our, and our professor, he said he understood. He understood years later, he was teaching at, you know, in other churches and stuff like that years later, years later, but he was not pastoring anymore. Now I'm sharing that with you all because that was a 10 year adulterous affair that God exposed, that God exposed. And some of you may be watching this live and may watch this video or replay and you probably know the individual who I'm speaking of, but I don't need to mention the name because that's not, that's not the point right now. But the point is, it's in contrast to what we see going on with Pastor John MacArthur. I believe God gave my professor grace by stopping that 10 year affair in his tracks. Could have let him just die in his sin and not repent of it. But he repented, sought the Lord's forgiveness once he was dealt with biblically and moved on. But the question we would have to ask ourselves is this, are we saying that a person can be a Christian and live in habitual sin for 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 44 years and counting? Oh, I got the receipts, ladies and gentlemen. I have the receipts. 116 people are in or watching this video, watching this live. We got 31 likes. If you can, please hit that like button. Let's get these numbers up, please. Let's get these numbers up. 116 are watching, but 31 are liking it. But anyway, is that what we're saying? Because if that's what we're saying, MacArthur is not saying that, or he did not say that, know that he agreed with that in 2003. In 2003, he publicly disagreed with the statements of the faculty of Dallas Theological Seminary. He publicly disagreed with that. Now, if he publicly disagreed with it, then why are we defending it? Why are we defending that which the Bible doesn't defend, and neither did MacArthur himself defend? So in case you don't remember what he just said, let me play it back for you once again. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. Disobedience or prolonged sin is no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. He's quoting from the faculty of Dallas Seminary of those who came from the school. Now, which begs the question, if he's disagreed with that statement, he doesn't believe that that statement is true, and I would agree with him as well too, that we have every right to question the reality of somebody's salvation if it is disobedient and prolonged sin. 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, 44 years, sir, that you can live a disobedient and sinful life, yet still preach the gospel, yet still preach the truth, yet still people can get saved and get blessed by your ministry. We know that to be true because we read Matthew 7, 21 to 23. Paul says the gospel is not in chains. The gospel is not shackled. The gospel is not without power. So there are people who would go to hell who have preached a biblical gospel, but the effects of the gospel haven't changed their life, while they may have changed the lives of others that they have proclaimed it to. That is a very scary thing, very scary thing. But we remember the story of David, right? Remember David in 2 Samuel 12? Nathan the prophet confronts him because of what he did with Bathsheba. And if there was a timeline, we would probably gauge it nine months. Within that year, David was in unrepentant sin. Read the text. Read 2 Samuel 12 verses 1 to 23. Read the text and read the previous scripture, the previous chapter. Read chapter 11 because near the end of chapter 11, the Bible says that what David did was evil in the sight of the Lord. He takes another man's wife, has sex with her. There's debate. Was it forced? Was it consensual? We do know this. David shouldn't have been there because the text says it was around this time where the kings were to go off to war. What was David's occupation? What was David's position? He was a king. What was David supposed to be at the battle? But David stayed home. So there's no reason to believe that Bathsheba was trying to entice anybody because she took a bath on the roof of her house, wherever she was. But we find in that text, we find in the text in that same chapter, chapter 11. One of the men come to find out it was a Hithafel. Who's a Hithafel? Hithafel is the grandfather of Bathsheba. He says, is this not the wife of Uriah, the Hittite? Like, man, this is my grandbaby. And so we can kind of like see some of the reasons why a Hithafel was, was, was finished the kind of way inside it with Absalom and overthrowing David's kingdom. But that's another topic for another time. My point is this, when David was in sin, inside of that year, nine months, he was in sin. God and His grace brought Nathan the prophet to confront David and told David, thou art the man. David couldn't see his own hypocrisy. David couldn't see his own sin because it was projected upon someone else that Nathan, the prophet, had gave him an illustration. All of us need to be very careful of that, all of us do. But nonetheless, it doesn't change the point. The point is, David was in unrepentant sin for almost a year. God brought conviction, God exposed him and David confessed and repented. What's the difference between my professor, my former professor who's gone to be with the Lord, I pray, believe he has confessed and truly repented. I believe he is by God's grace. But what's the difference between my former professor, David versus John MacArthur? Answer, one has yet to repent for the sins plural that he has done, gross sin. And I would go as far as to say habitual sin. Brothers and sisters, this is very serious. Instead of us talking about the low hanging fruit, instead of us talking about the typical false teacher, the typical word of faith person, the typical Pagani, the typical Saldivar, the typical Marcus Rogers, the typical, the low hanging fruit is what I call them. Instead of us talking about them, can we start dealing and talking about those within our own camp on outside of the aisle? Lord knows we have a lot to deal with. And if you don't want to call yourself reform, if you don't want to call yourself Cavite, if you don't want to call yourself, you just want to call yourself a Christian, whatever. But whatever you align yourself with, we know you don't align yourself with the Pagani's of the world. We know you don't align yourself with the Joe, those things of the world. So let's sit them aside for a second. Let's give them a reprieve for a second. Okay? If that's okay with your mind, let's tell them to sit this one out. And let's deal with those whose views we do align with, whose views we do support, whose ministry we do subscribe and follow and share and like. How about that? How about we deal with that? Because the question is, don't we have enough with all the sex scandals, with all of the abuse that's going on on our side of the aisle? We can make a lot of videos about that. My question is, is why aren't we? Now, I'm not one to tell anybody what kind of videos to make. I'm just saying, can we be consistent? Can we bring that same energy to our side as we do to the other side? Or is it because our arms are so short we can't reach up to the lofty fruit, the high hanging fruit? Is that what it is? You know, God can give us a lad if we want to reach it. God can equip us to take these lofty fruit down and bring it level to the cross. But why don't we? Why are we caping for preachers who protect child abusers and domestic abusers? Why are we doing that? Why are we making excuses for people in habitual sin? But we don't do that to the false teachers. Why aren't we being consistent here? I thought the Bible said that unjust weights and measures are an abomination to the Lord. I thought the Lord said that in Proverbs 11. I could have swore. He said that I could have swore that James says that we're not to have partiality and favoritism in the body of Christ in his church. I thought that's what my Bible said. Maybe it's me. Maybe I need Bible remediary class. Maybe that's me. And if it is, forgive me. I'll sign it for the next one. But I don't believe I'm wrong. And I believe my Bible says what it says. And I believe we are supposed to hold our own accountable even more so than we want to hold those outside of the church accountable. In fact, Paul himself says that what business do I have judging outsiders? Remember, that's what he said in 1 Corinthians 5. He says, what business do I have of judging outsiders? Don't you judge those? Are we supposed to judge those who are inside the church? In 1 Corinthians 512? So why aren't we? Or is it because we don't want to lose the subscriptions? We don't want to lose the followers. We don't want to lose the revenue. What is it? Is that what it is? I would rather us just be honest and just say that. Just say it. Because those who recognize the game, we see it. We see it. But it doesn't change the fact what God tells us what we are supposed to do. He tells us clearly in his word this. 1 Peter chapter 4, verse 17, for this time for judgment to begin with the household of God. It starts with us first. It starts with us first. The context is dealing with suffering, how we are to bear under suffering. But verse 17 says, for this time for judgment to begin in the household of God. That's where it starts. That's where it begins. That's what we're called to do. That's what we're called to do. So this whole attitude and idea that we can basically live a habitual lifestyle of sin, it's contrary to scripture. And I know, I know John MacArthur doesn't believe that. At least that's what he teaches. He doesn't believe that. Practicing it are two different things. Romans chapter 6, verse 1 and 2. What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin? So that grace may increase, so that grace may abound? God forbid. Absolutely not. May it never be. How shall we who die to sin still live in it? How? How can we do that? If sin has no effect on the believer, the power of sin has been broken. Remember, when God saved us, he saved us from the penalty of sin, the power of sin, and one day the very presence of sin. That's glorification. Justification, he saved us from the penalty of sin. We're no longer enemies and God ain't our enemy anymore either. Praise God for that. In sanctification, we are free from its power. We now choose to sin. We're not sin's slave unless we choose to be. This is why Paul says in Romans 6, 2, how can we or how shall we who have died to sin still live in it? Answer, we can't. That's why. 1 Corinthians chapter 5, I already cited it, but I'll just share it for the record. 1 Corinthians 5 and verse 12. So what have I to do? The context is dealing with a sinning brother. Who's in sin? Who's in sin? Paul said nobody gets to pass. Nobody gets to pass. And y'all come together, put that man out. Hand him over to Satan. John MacArthur has no problem handing other people over to save, but nobody hands MacArthur over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh that his spirit may be saved if he's really saved. But MacArthur has no problem putting folk out. But everybody's scared to put MacArthur out for refusing to repent, for refusing to make right the wrong that he's done. Smells like partiality to me. Smells like favoritism to me. Smells like fear of man to me. That's what it smells like to me and it stinks. 1 John 3 verse 4 through 10. We all know it. 1 John 3 verse 4 through 10. Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared in order to take away sins in him. There is no sin. No one who abides in him sins. No one who sins has seen him or knows him. He's not talking about one hit a quarter time. He's talking about a pattern of life. We've already talked about this before, but let me continue on. Verse 7, little children, make sure no one deceives you. The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who practices sin is of the devil, for the devil has sin from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose to destroy the works of the devil. No one who was born of God practices sin because his seed abides in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God. By this, the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious. Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. Question, ladies and gentlemen, question brothers and sisters. Is John MacArthur displaying the love of God? Has he displayed the love of God to Eileen Gray, to Wendy Gray, to Jane Doe, who was raped, to the young teenage girl who had to jump out of her car to escape her kidnapper and sexual offender, child molester, that they waited two years before they reported it to the police and they knew that this man was molesting and having sex with children at Grace Community Church. Did John MacArthur display the love of Christ? I'm just presenting receipts. I'll let you all deal with that. I'll let you all deal with that. But again, not my words, not my words. MacArthur is speaking against those who hold to this kind of view. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. Now, as promised, as promised, let's get into some receipts, shall we? Let's get into some more receipts. Some of it is review. Some of it is not. Now, as I said before, as I said before, if you have children, I'm going to need you to have them to exit. Have them to exit the room. You may want to put your headphones on because I'm going to read content from the court. But I'm going to bring you down. I'm going to bring the cookies down from the shelf so you can put this in your mouth. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, you can go and find this information for yourself. This is the actual court document, the people versus David Grant Gray right here. This is what I have in my hand. This is who y'all are caping for, right? This is who people like Corey, the mob, Phil Johnson, Virgil Walker, Ricky Gantz, April Chapman, the mob, all of them, all of them. Either you're aggressively caping for this man or you are passively caping for this man. I'll let y'all decide. But here's what y'all are caping for. Here's what y'all are defending. Here's what y'all are dismissing. Here's what y'all are making light of, Corey and others, that grieves me. That grieves me. To hear people say, like my brother Corey said, oh, this ain't just about Corey Williams. This is about Corey and everybody else. But I got a video I'm going to be responding to Corey's video in the future, in a very, very near future. Very, very near future. But I'm addressing the, I'm addressing the mentality and the attitude that is sinful. We're caping for pastors who protect abusers, perverts, and spouse abusers. That's what we're caping and protecting now. I thought we were supposed to protect and cape for children and those who can't defend themselves. That's what I thought. I thought that just because it's not my family, Corey, that they're still my family. And brother, that's your attitude. Don't be a pastor. Don't, don't, don't, don't, please. I beg you because that's not a pastor's heart. That's not a shepherd's heart to say something like that. That because it's not your family, that she's not a member of your family, that, oh, whatever, whatever. I knew you didn't say whatever, but you might as well have said it, brother. Oh, that was, that was, that was 20 years ago. That was, that was, okay. What if it was 44 years ago? And still has to be repented up. What you mean 44 years? Just, just hold their thought. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. Stay tuned. Let's get into this court, let's get into these court documents. Here's what y'all are caping for. Here's what y'all are making light of. Here's what y'all are, are defending by default, by minimizing what this sister and her children and others have gone through at Grace Community Church knowingly. And instead of getting the information and being wise about it, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What do y'all do? What do y'all do? Y'all want to charge us with being mean. I am going to be mean to anybody who abuses women and children. You better believe I will. And you are a sorry excuse for a man if you don't. But let me get into this. Information filed by a district attorney of LA County appellant was charged with 10 felony counts. Alas, who had been committed against his three minor children. The information Alas that appellant committed the following five offenses. Alas, who had been committed between December 22, 2000, December 21, 2001. And I'm not going to mention the, the, the, I'm not even going to mention the initials by God's grace. I don't want to mention the initials. This is going to mention the, the act and the charge. Lude act upon a child under 14 years of age counts one and three. Forcible Lude act upon a child, keyword child under 14 years of age count two, dissuading a witness by force or threat count seven, aggravated sexual assault, oral copulation of a child. What is oral copulation, pastor? Simply this, let me bring the cookies down. This demon made his own children give him oral sex and he ejaculated in their mouths. Not just one time as though that would not have been enough, but on three separate occasions that we can recall. But this is who Corey and, and, and all of y'all are defending. A man whose pastor putting money on his books, supporting financially his prison ministry who later found out that this man did this to his own children. And you Corey say, oh, I don't have nothing. He gives, I don't have no problem against y'all McArthur. Okay, I got a problem with getting to you. I got a problem against anybody who capes for a pastor who will support perversion like this. But let me continue. So y'all, y'all, y'all supporting pastors who support men who ejaculate in kids' mouths. Now that's what we on now. That's what we doing. Okay. Y'all, y'all, y'all a special kind of stupid to me. Yeah, y'all, y'all a special kind of weird to me. Yeah, y'all a special kind, but that's what y'all supporting. No problem. Okay. I'll let y'all deal with y'all, but I'm going to talk about y'all now or a copulation of a child under 14 years of age by a person more than 10 years older, count nine. The information that led that appellant committed the following two offenses against blank forcible loot act upon a child of under 14 years of age committed between September 15, 2000, July 1, 2001 count four and aggravated sexual child, a sexual assault of a child under 14 years of age by a person more than 10 years older, count 10. As the council one through four, it was specifically alleged that blank and blank were both under 14 years of age and that appellant engaged in substantial sexual conduct with each. But hey, hey, hey, like Corey said, they missed an opportunity. They missed an opportunity, right, Corey? Grace missed an opportunity to get that right. Okay. If you want to call this an opportunity, even if even though the facts were already out, whatever, the information also led that appellant committed the following three offenses against blank causing and permitting blank under circumstances likely to produce great bodily harm and death to suffer and be inflicted with unjustifiable physical pain and mental suffering. God, I pray that these these adults now their minds have been kept. And the fact that we have to keep talking about this because we get weak, callous, inconsiderate, beta men, defending wickedness in the church on our side of the aisle. I ain't talking about the wolves. I ain't talking about the charismatic. I ain't talking about the prosperity gospel folk. I'm talking about those of you who come on channels like mine and Corey's and G3 and Virgil Walker's, all of them. And they make light of wickedness like this. Oh, they'll say, yeah, he was a bad father. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Well, they ain't my family. Well, yeah, I wonder whose family are you really a part of, spiritually speaking now, about May 10, 2001, willfully and unlawfully inflicting cruel and inhumane corporal punishment and injury resulting in a traumatic condition upon a child. Let's continue on. That was that was page two and three. Page five. I'm bringing the cookies down because after all, you know, if you're going to defend me, God, at least at least I want to at least let y'all know who y'all defended. Okay, I want you at least to know who y'all defended who who's still right now. If he were, if he were paroled out of prison, he could be a member at Grace Community Church, but not Eileen, or they probably wouldn't do it now optics, optics wise, but he wasn't on church discipline. They got Eileen Gray under church discipline. Hey, but what do I know? Page five. Page five in the court documents, wife testified that over the years appellant would lie down on the living room couch or in his bed in his underwear. And he would tell the girls, the little girls to lie with him. He often had the girl sitting or lying on top of him or giving him a massage. Wife told the girls not to do that anymore. Blank would ask wife, why does daddy keep calling me to his bed? Wife urged appellant to at least wear boxer shorts, but he refused. Blank asked wife, why is daddy's penis pointy at the end? Wife confronted appellant and asked if he had exposed himself to Blank, but he refused to answer her. This is who MacArthur is defending. This is who Corey and all of them are saying they don't have a problem with, that they missed an opportunity. Just saying all these missed opportunities here. Page eight. During a monitored visit in February of 2003, Blank was sitting on appellant's lap and became very upset saying he bit her on the ear. In May 2003, four or five days after the visit, after visual appellant, Blank was crying and upset for longer than usual for over two hours saying she was afraid of appellant saying that he was going to kill her. Blank then told wife, he made me suck on his bottom right here and touched her mother's crotch. Wife thought there must be a misunderstanding and said, what are you talking about? His bottom is back here. Blank said, no, right here, mommy. Her mother asked what she meant and Blank started talking about it. She said, quote, his pee-pee was hard like wood, like the ceiling fan. He put it in my mouth. He made me suck on him. I didn't like it. It tasted like a frog that's alive. It tasted like dirty dust. It was yucky. She said, quote, he's going to kill me because I told you on cross examination. Wife said that Blank's first statement to her was, quote, he made me suck on his pee-pee, end quote. Blank revealed more the following day indicating that it happened more than one time. Wife did not ask Blank to describe appellant's penis as, quote, she was already spouting that out, end quote. During August 2003, while at the evaluator's office, Blank confronted appellant in front of Blank about this sexual abuse. And oh, by the way, there's, these are two different kids I'm talking about right now. Two different ones. It's not the same one right now. Two different ones of the three. A monitor was present, but wife was not. Within a week, Blank told wife that he had been also sexually abused. He said, you know that pee-pee thing that happened to Blank? Daddy made me suck on his pee-pee. She did not believe him and asked him if he was just saying that because he heard that happened to Blank. And he became upset and argumentative. Blank then drew a picture in his pain book and said to her, then why did he go potty in my tummy? Bring the cookies down again. That means he ejaculated in his son's mouth. You know, Corey, hey, the pastor, who you defending? This is the guy that was putting money on his books. Yeah, this guy. This guy right here that you said and others don't have a problem with that. He's a great man of God. Yeah, this guy. Yeah, I'm going to make a response video to your video, bro. I have to. I have to. Oh, by the way, hope y'all see this. This ain't about me. This is about my brothers and sisters who are in the kingdom of God, who should be defended by everybody and should be holding John MacArthur accountable, but people are caping and covering for MacArthur because of a past issue. Well, we'll find out. We'll find out. We'll find out. But this is who y'all subscribe to. This is who y'all follow. But y'all want to attack me and I'm like, I'm the problem. Bring it. Bring it because I want it. I want it all. I turned my smoke detectors off because I want all the smoke tonight. Visitation with appellant ceased. Wife said that prior to the disclosures of sexual abuse, she had wanted the children to see their father. She had been looking forward to appellant having more opportunity to be with the children and she did not want him out of their lives. She said prior to this stuff. Yeah. Page nine. But wait, unfortunately, there's more. Page 10. In May or June of 2001, while, excuse me, when she was putting bibs on the younger children, while she was putting bibs on the younger children, she smelled semen and searched blank and blanks heads after she determined the smell was not coming from the lower part of their bodies. She concluded that the smell was coming from blank from somewhere on her person, though she found nothing. Blank testified. Blank testified. My fellow, let me, let me read this part. Wife testified that the children were homeschooled and had previously attended school only at their church. They would not have been exposed to the concepts of oral copulation, i.e. oral sex, i.e. going down on someone, i.e. someone sucking you off. How about that? Does that hit different for y'all, Corey? Does that hit different for y'all? Mob? Bible thumping, wingnut? David moral? David no moral is what she called you. David immoral? How does that hit y'all? Just asking. You up here caping for somebody that wouldn't even cape for your kids. They would not have been exposed to the concepts of oral copulation or ejaculation. They did not have cable television and mostly watched children's videos. This is how innocent these little ones were that were perversely violated by a so-called man of God and then protected by a so-called man of God and still is, to this very day, protected and to this very day, have not made right what he has done wrong and publicly put a woman out, publicly put her out because she refused to submit and go back to this demon. But hey, according to Mr. Minor and the crew, it's a missed opportunity. Having all this information, having all this evidence. Yeah, the sexual abuse was discovered after the fact, but once the church found out about it, why were they still paying for this man's quote-unquote prison ministry? Why are you calling this man a missionary? Yeah, missionary? Where you at, John Harris? Where you at? Why aren't y'all calling these people out? It's easy to call out the mob. I mean the woke mob. It's easy to call out all of these people, the low hanging fruit. I'm waiting on y'all to call this man to repentance, but I know you won't. Wish we're thinking. Wish we're thinking. Blank testified that she was five years old, five years old. Blank testified that when she was five years old, a peasant made her suck on his penis on three occasions. She thought these incidents occurred on three consecutive days. The first time appellant woke her up from a nap by calling her into his bedroom. She went into his bedroom and he pulled down his pants and told her to suck on his quote-unquote potty place. Appellant still had a shirt on and laid down on his back, laid on his back on his bed. Blank was on her stomach. She described his potty place quote-unquote as sort of pinkish quote-unquote and hard and she said appellant was making noises after what seemed like a long time appellant potty quote-unquote in her mouth. That is he ejaculated Corey, he ejaculated the mob, he ejaculated David Imoral, Tim Hurd, what's that drug addict's name that used to be poor pen and pen? What's the drug's name? What's his name? I forgot his name just that quick. Put it in the chat because my mind is running right now. Maybe I'll get him later on. Him too. Appellant potted in her mouth. It tasted quote like a live frog-unquote and was quote wet-unquote and yucky quote-unquote. Yeah JD Hall, yeah that clown, that addict. Appellant told her to go spit it out and she did so in the bathroom sink. Appellant then said that if Blank told anybody he would choke her and he put his hands on her neck and choked her a little. Blank did not tell anybody what happened because she was scared and thought he would really choke her. She's five years old Corey. Five. Five. The one that you said, the pastor that you have no problem with defended, still defends, still defends, still defends. On another occasion she was in her bedroom and appellant called to her again. She knew what he was going to do so she hid in her bedroom closet. Appellant found her, picked her up by her arms and flipped her in the air. He took her into his bedroom, pulled down his pants and made her suck on his pee-pee place. This time he laid on his stomach with NG lying on her back underneath him. He squeezed her with his legs and hurt her. She said she could not get away because it was tight where I was. He told her she was doing it wrong and told her to open her mouth wider and wider. After was appellant put her in the closet. Her mother and siblings were not at home. She was afraid of appellant and did not tell anyone what happened. On the third occasion, Blank was again napping and when appellant called her, excuse me, appellant was napping again when appellant called her into his bedroom. When she got there he pulled his pants down and told her to suck on his pee-pee place. She tried to get away but he put his hand on the back of her head and pushed her head to his party place. Five years old, it hurt her and she felt funny. Again, her mother and siblings were not at home. After appellant was no longer living with the family and they had moved out of the house where the sexual abuse occurred, Blank knew she was safe and told her mother that appellant made her suck on his pee-pee place. Blank was eight years old at the time. Blank denied that anyone had told her to say that appellant made her suck on his pee-pee place and Blank and she affirmed that she was telling the truth about what happened. In her sad book she wrote about and drew pictures of her bad dreams and her painful memories. There were numerous references in her sad book to the incidents when appellant hurt her including when he sexually abused her and also when he choked her and dragged her. The pictures were dated between May 2003 and October 2004. Blank testified that she decided for herself what to put in the books no one told her what to write or draw. She said that she still loves her dad but she is afraid of him. This is the other child now that describes his sexual abuse. Blank was born, Blank was seven years old at the time of trial. He testified that when appellant was living with the family appellant sometimes hit him on the feet with the belt. Blank also stated that appellant once dragged him from his bedroom into the living room and forced Blank to suck on appellant's pee-pee. Blank said that appellant was kneeling and he was standing in front of him and that appellant pushed his head down on his pee-pee. At a prior hearing Blank had said that the appellant was standing and Blank was kneeling. He described the appellant's pee-pee as being quote-unquote soft and said that after a while his father pee-peed in his mouth. You know what that is right Corey? You know what that is right Ma? David Imoral, JD Hall, all of y'all who defended MacArthur, who supported and defended this man he ejaculated in his own son's mouth again that was a missed opportunity to deal with right. Blank later said that appellant's pee-pee got hard a little bit quote-unquote when the pee-pee came out but we know that wasn't urine y'all right it was semen. Appellant then told Blank to rinse his mouth out and sit him back to his bedroom. Appellant told Blank don't tell mommy Blank's mother was not home at the time but he thought excuse me he thought his sisters were in the bedroom. Blank said that he decided to tell his mom about appellant making him suck on his pee-pee after he heard Blank tell their mother that she had been made to do so. He said that he had remembered the incident but had not wanted to say anything about it until he heard Blank talk about it. At the prior hearing he said quote I forgot until I heard Blank talk about it. Blank also made happy and sad books at the suggestion of the therapist. No one told him what to draw but his mother would help him write words in his books. His sad book included drawings dated between August 2003 and May 2004 his father hitting him and appellant's pee-pee in my tummy. Now question um that was in just happened in 2003 when I mean 2002 when Eileen Gray was was put out. This is 20 years ago right 20 years ago 20 years ago my question is has MacArthur repented yet has MacArthur asked for forgiveness yet of course he hasn't we know he hasn't asked for forgiveness yet we know he hasn't asked for forgiveness yet but this is who y'all are defending 124 or watching I know some of y'all curious georgias are watching because you don't want to you don't want to come in here and show you show your face most of you don't because you know what time it is but if you're not afraid to pull up why don't you come on into the chat and like the like this video y'all like the video uh Brian you can go on Julie Roy's website the court documents are right there the court documents are right there you can pull it up but I'm going to show you some screenshots I'm going to show you some screenshots but my question is that was 20 plus years ago with the Eileen Gray situation no repentance no repentance whatsoever none this is the same Eileen Gray that that Han Cho who was asked Corey he did not decide to do this on his own he was requested to do this sir I'm disappointed in you bro to say the least very disappointed with you very disappointed with you because your channel is called smart christians channel you're not being smart with this one bro you're not you're dropping the ball you're slipping you're slipping you're being soft with perverts you're being soft with pervert protectors being soft I'm just curious why how could you defend something like this how can you defend a man who has made innocent people and now have them to be seen as they're the ones that are in sin and you call it a missed opportunity brother sad to say the least to say the least very sad but let's continue um so we all know the story here of Wendy Gray this is Paul Gray he's deceased you can go to Julie Roy's website you can pull it up there I'm not going to read all of this this is another incident another missed opportunity Corey right and correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't gone through every every all of your videos all of that video yet bro but correct me if I'm wrong because I don't want to misquote you but I think you said this was only one incident that McArthur that one scandal or one incident that McArthur has out of the 50 years if that's what you said if that's what you said you really need to make another video and apologize because that's not this is not the only scandal Eileen Gray not the only one not the only one this man goes so far to write the girl this little girl this little girl in 1979 now let's do something real quick shall we because I want to make sure that my math is mapping with y'all's math okay all right so 2002 to 2023 is how many years somebody give me the give me the math I got my answer I want to make sure my I got 21 years right now in county from 2002 to 2023 I have 21 years 21 years is what I got y'all got the same number we have the same number I'm just asking you got 21 to okay thank you thank you quam 21 years right so we are mathin okay so all of us is mathin all right cool now here's here's where we're going to add another we're going to add some more numbers okay this this incident right here ladies and gentlemen that McArthur has not repented of look at that date right there at the top come on what does that date say right at the top listen to me what does the date say right there yeah he was defending McArthur Sheila I'm not letting you slide with that with my sister he was defending him he's defending him he was defending him and I got the video and I didn't need to hear anymore he was defending McArthur he sure was and if he didn't have all the information he should have made the video because I got all the information that's why I'm making my video if and and and and by the way Sheila Croy's the one that put up proverbs 18 about not not not not I mean answering before getting all getting all the facts oh then then why why are you caping for this man not you just saying so no no no no if you have all information you should have made the video like he would discourage me from making any more videos about McArthur but I get to that in another video because this is this is about McArthur and and I'm purposely mentioning Croy's name and or interdispersed in this discussion because again this is this is that important he got 91 some thousand uh subscribers who heard this man Kate either by either passively or aggressively either way it ain't a good it ain't a good look sister but let's do the math let's do the math let's do the math august 1979 hmm subtract 2023 from 1979 what do you get I got 44 I have 44 years I have 44 years I have 44 years how much y'all got what do y'all got of unrepentant sin of unrepentant sin or I told you I'm not playing tonight I'm not playing no games I'm I'm not playing so from from Eileen Gray's issue and situation that he has yet to repent of that's 20 years 20 plus 21 years ago 21 years ago of living an unrepentant sin for 21 years that he told that he told Han Cho in his report in his report forget it when Han Cho told the elders in McArthur that they need to make this right that man told Han Cho out of this 21 plus year investigation that he came back with his finding that he was requested to do forget it and if you don't forget it you gotta leave ain't that some bully crap anyway august 1979 to 2023 is how many years 44 so now we got Eileen Gray that's 20 years 21 plus years now of unrepentant sin of unrepentant sin let's keep that same energy now because McArthur said remember remember he said he was he was he was going against what those who were saying about disobedience to prolong sin is no reason to to question or to doubt one salvation remember he doesn't believe that he believes you should question it and I do too and that's why I'm questioning McArthur's but let's go 1979 right there right hmm 1979 the man writes this little girl McArthur writes this little girl a letter and says in the letter and says in the letter he encourages this girl to forgive her father although the father has not done anything to be forgiven the letter the letter says quote I am so sorry about the problem all the problems you have been through but I believe the Lord is working in very special ways McArthur wrote in that letter that you just seen your dad is really sad about it all and we have met and talked at length about the situation but you didn't put him out you ain't calling the police but you caught but but you you had Bob Vernon Robert Vernon you gave him advice to deal with abortion abortion male protesters on how to deal with them Christians who are just protesting at abortion clinics and these people were being stumped by horses having their arms broken by nun chucks being pulled and dragged yeah yeah don't don't take my word for it pull it up for yourself pull it up for yourself ladies and gentlemen but that's not what I want to talk about I want to talk about these these these sexual abuse cases that McArthur has yet to repent of and that Phil Johnson and them are still covering for are still covering for uh Phil Johnson that one talked to me he refuses to talk to me matter of fact Phil Johnson calls me angry he wanted to come angry black man he says I'm just an angry man but same Phil Johnson that whose number I have and he has mine but yeah that's what happens when you when you're a coward so we got eight people that don't like the video I don't care got 132 watching let's let's let's get these numbers up let's push this algorithm let's let's expose this can we do that let's expose this let's let's let's call expose the devil for who he is a liar and people who are covering for the enemy and they don't even realize it but yes this is this is what this is what this man McArthur capes and covers for sex offenders yeah just want you to see the date right so this is 44 years right of unrepentant sin sin unrepentant and the people that the and the people that's not liking the video they suckers they trash they're the ones that that are supporting this wickedness because nothing I've said in here can't be proven to be a lie because I'm just quoting the facts but that's one right so that's 44 years okay that's 44 years 44 years right so we got that of unrepentant sin that's that's that's that's two this is two counts so far right unrepentant sin what about this one what about this one John McArthur church failed to report kidnapper and child molester for two years you know this one right here 1982 how many years is that hmm how many years is that subtract 1982 from 2020 or 2023 from 1982 how many years y'all got how many years you got I get 41 years that's what I got I got 41 years how many years y'all got 2023 to 1982 how many years is that of unconfessed sin how many years what y'all got 41 years thank you very much okay that's what I got to that's what I have to 41 years of unconfessed sin that MacArthur said yeah we have every right to question somebody who's living in prolonged and and and and uh prolonged and disobedience prolonged sin and disobedience he this one MacArthur he says he we have a right to do that yeah he's a moron matter of fact Jesus lover 22 Jesus love 22 you may want to read proverbs because proverbs says when you went out wisdom you're stupid so so I didn't wrote it listen the guy wrote it I just quote it okay so get give give a guy tell him you don't have a fruit of the spirit for causing by that moron because they are morons anybody that defends this are idiots they're idiots and they're trash and that's just putting it nicely uh yeah he did call them dull call them vipers read your bible Jesus love 22 or 122 but let me get back to this I ain't got time to deal with you I ain't got time to deal with anybody that don't want to deal with truth keep it moving bro or ma'am or whoever the heck you are but anyway um how you Jesus love but you don't love the truth anyway let me move on let me move on so that's 41 years so we have 44 years for uh for Wendy Gray of Unconfessed Sin 44 41 years for Albert Algret the sex offender from 1982 so that's that's that's two right now so 44 41 we got Eileen Gray 21 years right look this story was first came to light nearly 40 years ago my gosh but this is who this is who y'all are caping for right this is who y'all are caping for right that you don't have a problem with John MacArthur I do and so does God this girl had to jump out of her car to escape her abuser but hey and don't give me this statue limitation stuff I don't hear nothing about that because it's funny how we talk about statue limitations when it comes to other people being sexually assaulted and abused and violated but when it comes to our door maybe maybe because nowadays you never know with these weak men these excuse making beta males yeah you think Freddy you think you think or maybe not because he he black but let me shut up let me shut up I ain't gonna go there let me let me shut up let me shut up let me shut up I'm gonna behave for right now let me shut up we ain't gonna talk about that right now that's another that's another topic for another time yep but yeah so so again again this man molester teenagers little girls and MacArthur made them report it waited two years waited two years yeah the girl had to jump out of a car a moving vehicle to escape because he kidnapped her and the police said he was he was gonna do this again if he wouldn't stopped but hey another missed opportunity right Corey that's that's one right okay so 44 years 41 years hmm what about this one remember this one this is this is another issue by the way this is another issue not only did they put Eileen gray out MacArthur did and if you tell me what not well MacArthur didn't know well you you're really dumb you're really dumb because I don't put nobody out without getting the facts the man didn't even talk to Eileen gray he refused to talk to Eileen gray so how are you going to minister church discipline where you don't even talk to the one who's being accused and being threatened to be put out but but these are the same people won't talk about justice what some of them do and some of them don't yeah yeah but I see I see why I see why virgin and them don't really care about quote-unquote social justice see this is social justice right here ladies and gentlemen this this right here this is real true biblical social justice this really is and and and the problem the problem that I had with this is that they knew about it and they did nothing about it this man didn't even talk John MacArthur didn't even talk to Eileen gray refused to talk to this woman listen I already told you all from the beginning and Scott I don't know if you're talking to me or not but what you see what you get over here my brother I don't care about nobody can nobody listen I don't care about anybody concern about my tone you you you see what you get what you see is what you get over here I'm not that type of dude when I see people being abused and taking advantage of and I'm gonna be like how this is really sad this guy didn't make me like that this ain't that channel and I ain't that dude because I'm I'm speaking on behalf of those who can't speak to me I'll get more excited and get pissed off and amped up when your football team or your basketball team loses but when the last time y'all got pissed off and upset over brother sister in Christ little children being violated being abused and you say nothing I got nothing to say to you nothing so y'all can miss me on the tone get out of my face please please get away from me with it get away from me with that I don't even want to hear that go go somewhere else with that go somewhere else with that but anyway this man this man right here John McGarrett's church supported convicted child abuser and pedophile we all know about the story so this is this is another one this is another one this is another one uh Scott if you telling me to go to John McGarrett's face yeah good luck with that I mean come on I hope that's not what you're saying at least not to me I hope that's not what you're saying at least not to me please at least not to me brother what you see is what you get over here I already told you and I'm not hard to find trust and believe that yeah somebody please school Scott and let me get on to the rest of my presentation here because I got I got a lot a lot more to cover right now but that's one of the ladies receipts out real quick and you can go to the website Julia Roy's and pull this stuff up it's right there at your fingertips you don't you don't need my assistance for it you can go right there yeah publicly shame to excommunicate this woman at a communion service yeah you you better believe I am ask ask my wife ask my kids when it comes to when it comes to them and anybody that I got love and I care about or anybody that I'm connected with how I respond when I see wrong and it's being it's being skirted and being shrouded and and and masked well you don't care about his personal life then keep that same energy for everybody else because we should my bible says watch your life and doctrine closely that's exactly how I bring in David you already know but anyway so these people even after David Gray is in prison for convicted sexual assault and and and molestation to a child carry hardy asking for the church quote unquote to put money on the man's on the man's fees and fines and and and stuff yeah right there the transcript of the hearing of his parole hearing is not yet available but according to a retired detective Nelson who participated in Gray's parole hearing via zoom commissioners described Gray's crimes as atrocious and said the evidence against him was overwhelming but these are the people that MacArthur defends that Cory Minor and others say that they don't have a problem with MacArthur and I just wonder Cory you got grandbabies like I do I couldn't imagine you doing that to your grandchildren I couldn't imagine you letting somebody else do that to your grandchildren let alone their own father do that to your grandbabies I couldn't imagine you doing that so and I would I would want to see them too and they're not even my relatives but they're my brothers and sisters in Christ if they are of the faith but not even that my bible says Cory and others who are defending this kind of foolishness that we are to love our neighbor as ourself even if you're not a believer my bible says we're to love our neighbor as our self Galatians 610 says why we have every opportunity let us do good to everyone especially those who are the householder faith how is this good I wait do we need a phone a friend do we need a lifeline to get that question answered please because I'm confused how is this good to these people who have been violated in abuse I'll wait I'll wait but here's another one bread dead wilder calm go there please this brother is a beast when you talk about my receipt game man please listen listen I just love I just love people who bring our facts 135 and that are watching 79 that are liking it let's get these likes up let's get these likes up let's get this truth out please if this was if this was some gossip mess I'd be I'd be trending let's put this stuff out this is truth here yeah I remember that no comment no comment but here uh so we got again let's let's do the math now 41 uh 44 years for Wendy Gray right 41 years for the sex-offended Alba already that was that was sexually assaulting and molesting and kidnapping children at at grace they knew about it did nothing for two years 41 years okay we have Eileen Gray's 21 plus years now we had we have uh with with uh David Gray they put money on his books you can give a take a little cushion with that if you want um from 2004 to 2018 you can give a little little number right there uh if you do 2004 that's that's that's 19 years 2008 and five no repentance so far none none none Jane Doe 2006 is when her her case was brought to MacArthur and them 17 years let's do the math 2006 give or take 2023 Jane was a junior at the master's seminary when she was drug and raped by a man who claimed to be a student at the master's seminary she was a junior at the master's university was raped by a man who claimed to be a student at the master's seminary he attended a seminary bible study associated with seminarians and was a member of grace community church not not yet dear it ain't it ain't matching yet i got 130 i got 130 that are watching and got 81 let's get them up y'all let's get them up let's get them up police believed he had committed these crimes before and would do so again John MacArthur was the president of the master's university and seminary and senior pastor of grace community church Rick Holland worked for him and was in charge of crossroads to college and singles ministry what you are about to read really happened there are hundreds of pages of evidence that have not been made public i have talked with Jane he says i've talked with Jane and corresponded with Jane and and so have i i know who she is now um and and read the report on this live before i've read much of the evidence notice i may have read much of the evidence including that sent to the u.s. department of education i believe Jane and this is this is her this is the chronicle this is the chronicle of her of her her story she was 15 graduated high school 17 she was taking classes at junior college she was 21 and it's 2006 she goes to the master's college and and all of these things happened to her then she got drugged got raped she goes to uh Rick Holland Rick Holland does this Rick leaves the room several times they go talk to John MacArthur he comes back with John's ruling on the matter Rick tells me that i need to be disciplined for doing drugs drinking alcohol and almost dancing he said the consequence for breaking the rules is that i will be kicked out of the college out of the college he's angry at me for going to the police and the doctor i should have let the church handle this without outside interference he tells me not to tell anyone else not my fellow classmates not my teachers not anyone at church you are ruining that man's life he says now you can read all this yourself just just want you to see now that's 17 years again unrepentant no no apologies to any of these people none none but again let me let me read one part or maybe two yes right here i think i have this on for a record i'm standing out outside the door to rick's office i take a deep breath and feel confident that i am strong enough to do whatever it is that he asks me to do i open the door and i'm shocked to see the stranger sitting there i'm stare i'm starting to shake and sweat rick asks me to sit down by my rapist rick speaks for the rapist quote he has admitted to me everything he has done he has acknowledged his sin and that his relationship was not consensual and he has repented look at him he is crying quote unquote i don't want to look at him but i do i feel panic sitting this close to him i'm wondering why i have to be present if it has become clear that i'm innocent why wasn't i immediately reinstated in school now it is your turn to apologize i am not hearing right i think that rick holland has just asked me to apologize to my rapist apologize for what i ask rick says something about apologizing for the dress i was wearing at the bar and for drinking alcohol he says i call this young man to stumble and he is in sense that i have not dropped the charges with the police he says that he has been talking to joe and saundra and my rd resident director i mean i believe and they all say that my story keeps changing i wonder why they all are allowed to talk about it but i am not if i am to be reinstated in the school i must agree to weekly counseling with rick and the stranger and the stranger i am told that the stranger and i have committed to sin together and therefore we must work together we must work through it together i must agree to sit next to the stranger in church every week i don't know where to begin do i start with the fact that i didn't put that dress on and how my story isn't changing and about it again you need to read this entire story because i'm giving you excerpts but the entire story is here she was drugged and she was dressed in these clothes while drugged i am just remembering the i'm just remembering more things i feel confused and angry i'm yelling i hear more accusations coming out of rick's mouth i am not submissive i don't trust the men that god has put over me i'm rebellious he is angry and i cannot keep up with all the attacks of my character that are flying out of his mouth i am kicked out of school i have less than 24 hours to get my things out of my room and get out if i show up on campus i'll be arrested they are changing my three years of earned college credits from a's to f's i have flunked out of college it's 2008 i am still getting facebook messages and emails from people i know at master's college calling me to repentance they're rebuking me and quoting scriptures about immorality and fornication i know the narrative now they've been told that i was sleeping around and was kicked out for drinking and carousing they know my character and yet still assume it is true only one person from that whole community believes me my roommate from junior year it's 2017 i have told a few people over the years about what happened to me but mostly i want to move on and live my life and forget i can't forget i'm trying to get my graduate degree but on paper i failed three years of college and flunked out i have to relive this nightmare trying to get my undergraduate psychology degree and now again applying for graduate school every time i work with rape victims i relive my own trauma i realize that i cannot move on until i bring this darkness to light into the light even if it helps just one person even if that person is me i am 32 years old and i'm taking my life back my name is jane do you see me writers note this is an eyewitness testimony of something that really happened anyone who accuses me which is marsy perham or jane of lying may want to reconsider as we have police reports police reports the police believe the stranger has done this before and will do it again printed emails and plenty of evidence somehow jane had the presence of mind to print and keep all these papers all of these years furthermore if you're more appalled at me for writing this story or jane for telling it then you are at the stranger the rapist and those religious leaders who handle it so abominably perhaps you should evaluate your christian values and theology yeah again just reading receipts and if you if you're denying this you're a fool if you're denying this you are a fool an organic non-gmo fool because the bible says the fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his or her own mind that's what my bible says now let's continue on shall we let's look at some scriptures let's look at the word of god let's let's see what the word of god has to say uh about how we are to treat how we are to treat others one another can we do that roman chapter 12 verse 15 verse 16 excuse me no no no verse 15 we can read verse 16 too rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep be of the same mind toward one another do not be hearty in mind but associate with the lowly do not be wise in your own estimation so so do y'all think macArthur again i'm just asking just asking in light of what you're seeing so far how's it looking for j mac because again this this right here verse 15 rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep interestingly i just happen to have the commentary that has john macArthur's name on it and he gives this gives this quote and his commentary of romans in this commentary of romans macArthur whether he wrote it or not his name was on the book quote it is also distinctively christian to be sensitive to the disappointments hardships and sorrows of others to weep with those who weep that is the duty of sympathy empathy entering into the suffering of others compassion has in the very word the idea of suffering with someone god is called a compassionate god he is so compassionate so tender toward his people that his and compassion's never failed jane speaks as being full of compassion we see this compassion sympathy and tenderheartedness and god and the tears of jesus over the grave of lazarus he mingled his tears with those of mary and martha reminding us reminding us that we should reflect our lord's character pause ahead so as those who have been chosen of god holy and beloved put on a heart of compassion kindness humility gentleness and patience surely most surely surely one of the most touchingly profound testimonies to god's heart of tender sympathy toward his children who weep is found in song 56 whether writer implores the lord put my tears in thy bottle the lord stores up our tears as treasures if we are to be like our father and his son we too must enter into the sorrow of others so my question is it is my question ladies and gentlemen where's the compassion and the sympathy and the empathy that macArthur was supposed to display he said right there he said it i didn't say it let's look at it again look at that first paragraph it is distinctively christian to be sensitive to the disappointments hardships and sorrows of others to weep with those who weep that's what j max said how old were you when you first recall go back let me go back that's not yet here we go here we go though because what i'm about to show y'all right now yes yes yes now we are getting into the conversion of macArthur all right was he saved how was he saved what does he believe about salvation all of that all of that so now in 2000 and i believe 2009 i think it was of course phil johnson interviews john macArthur and asks him to give his testimony regarding his conversion how was he saved and you're going to find out what he says right now how old were you when you first recall sensing your need for christ well i always believed the gospel i don't ever i don't ever remember a time when i didn't believe the gospel hmm that's interesting my bible tells me that jesus went about he went about preaching the gospel of god and mark 1 14 and 15 and said repent and believe the gospel sir that's that's what that's what jesus did so that implies that we didn't always we didn't always repent and believe the gospel we were given that as a grace as a gift but don't take my word for it he said again how old were you when you first recall sensing your need for christ well i always believed the gospel i don't ever i don't ever remember a time when i didn't believe the gospel you always believe the gospel my bible says no we didn't my bible says in Ephesians chapter two verses one through five that we were dead and i trust pastors and sins and on and on it goes down we were children a rap we were kids to the prince of the power of the air and what did god do he had to make us alive that's what my bible says peter says in first peter chapter two verse 25 he says that we all were like sheep that were gone astray that's that's what my bible says i'm just but but macArthur said that he always he always believed the gospel he always did always did i mean it was so wonderfully modeled by my mom and dad it was so consistent they were exactly at home what they were in the church and what my dad was in the pulpit he was in the house and and christ was always very wonderful to me and inviting to me and i and my mom and dad lived out their christian life before me and so i never rebelled against it never rebelled against it okay so i don't know first john comes to mind chapter one verse eight and verse ten if you say you have no sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you you make god to be a liar we know when i want to do that right so god says you can't say you never you never sinned but but macArthur says he never rebelled never rebelled wouldn't rebellion wouldn't rebellion equate to sin i'm just asking i don't know i always knew i needed jesus to be my savior but there was an incident when i was about i think nine or ten i'd gotten involved in some vandalism because some kids had kind of prompted me to do it my dad was actually preaching in another town and he took me with him for the week of evangelistic meetings and some kids vandalized the school and they happen to be one of them happened to be the pastor's kid and so he drags me along you know my father takes me to spend the week with this pastor's family with him anyway i get involved in this thing and they did some stuff in the school and i came back and i was i i felt terrible and frightened by it i sat down on the steps with my dad as a result of i don't know they remember the exact time sequence but i said you know i think i i think i'm i'm not a good boy and i need the lord to forgive me and that was sort of an initial prompting and and i remember my dad praying with me on the steps that the lord would save me and i there may have been other times i brought it up but that one stands out in my mind and as to whether i was actually converted at that time i don't know again in the years following i never rebelled i was always responsive to the things of christ but i don't know that they were really the dominant matters of my life and the priorities that early hmm and did you hear that phil johnson said hmm hmm um you don't know okay well my bible says in 2nd Corinthians chapter 13 verse 5 that we are to examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith i i call it spiritual tune-ups we we're to always examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith that's that's what we're supposed to do i just again hey i didn't i didn't go to seminary i don't know all the languages i just have the tools 2nd peter chapter one verse 10 i believe make your calling in election sure and i think that's what the bible says i think that's what i don't know maybe baby disney i don't know so are you saying you are you saying it would be difficult for you to put your finger on when your conversion took place yeah i've never been able to do that and doesn't bother me i think i'm one of those kids i was one of those kids that never rebelled and always believed so are you saying you are you saying it would be difficult for you to put your finger on when your conversion took place yeah i've never been able to do that and doesn't bother me i think i'm one of those kids i was one of those kids that never rebelled and always believed listen some of y'all are caping so hard for this man in the chat it is really making y'all look sus i mean it really is the man says he never rebelled never never that's what the man said i'll play it again so are you saying are you saying it would be difficult for you to put your finger on when your conversion took place yeah i've never been able to do that and it doesn't bother me i think i'm one of those kids i was one of those kids that never rebelled and always believe so are you saying you are you saying it would be difficult for you to put your finger on when your conversion took place? Yeah, I've never been able to do that. And it doesn't bother me. I think I'm one of those kids, I was one of those kids that never rebelled and always believed. So I don't know, Ecclesiastes 720, there's not a man, there's not a righteous man who continually does what is right. There is not a righteous man on earth who continually does what is right. Paul even says, I think Romans 310, there's no one good, not even one. Not even one, but MacArthur said. He's always been one of those kids that never, you know, never rebelled. But wait, there's more. And so when God did his saving work in my heart, it was not discernible to me. I went away to high school and I, for all I knew, I loved Christ. I was a part of the ministry of the church. I went away to college and I wanted to serve the Lord and honor the Lord. I was I was certainly immature, but at some point along the line, I really do believe there was a transformation in my heart. But I think that it may have been to some degree imperceptible to me because I didn't ever have a rebellious time. I didn't ever revolt against, you know, the gospel or not believe. I didn't ever have a rebellious time. I didn't ever revolt against, you know, the gospel or not believe. And I guess that's in some ways, that's a grace act on God's part so that all that wonderful training found some level of fertile soil in my heart and none of it was wasted. I'm just some of y'all get mad cause I'm delivering the mail and not the one who wrote the letter. Romans chapter three. My Bible says all of us have turned the side. All of us. All of us have turned the side. You would swear, you know, now I can't even say nothing about Royce White. I can't even say that I can't even put this on Royce White to talk like this. My goodness. This was in 2009. August 6th, I believe 2009, I believe it was. That's if that's if they still have this one up. I ended up having the receipt of this years ago. But again, this is yeah, I'm talking about I was talking about Corey and him caping for MacArthur and making excuses for MacArthur calling what MacArthur did an opportunity that was missed. This wasn't an opportunity that was missed when he didn't deal with these perverts who were abusing women and children and sexually assaulting them. The most we have, the most we have of MacArthur being an unrepentant sin, the most is 44 years. 44. That's four. Four. Wendy Gray is the longest sex scandal, sex abuse scandal that MacArthur has yet and has refused to repent and make right of and make right for. No, I'm not making that. I'm not applying anything. I'm not applying anything. I'm just I'm just making the receipts. What I'm saying is none of us, none of us are right in God's sight. And anytime we don't respond to the gospel, that's rebellion. But God tells us that we are rebels by nature and by choice. That's what the Bible says. The Bible says that that we are estranged from the womb in Psalm 58 and Psalm 58 three from the womb. David said I was born in sin and shaping in the nicotine and Psalm 51 five. I'm just saying, but hey, but let's let's look at the scriptures and see what the scripture says. Let's see what does say at the scriptures. Sorry about that. Romans chapter three, Romans chapter three verse, verse 10. Neal and please stop. I purposely tried not to look at your comments because it doesn't matter what MacArthur does. God forbid if MacArthur was the if MacArthur was the molesting rape your child, your daughter, your son. I just wonder what you had the same attitude. I just wonder all of you who are defending MacArthur making excuses from what if MacArthur, what if MacArthur ejaculated in your daughter's mouth and your son's mouth? What if one of MacArthur's, you know, ministers, you know, that you, that you were entrusting your children to, uh, was molesting your children? Just asking. What have you found out that one of your ministers were doing that to their own children? I'm just, just wondering. I don't know. Is it, y'all, y'all, y'all got me looking at y'all kind of sus right now. Y'all, y'all making me look, y'all, y'all making this look rather suspicious. I mean rather sus, really sus, really sus. But anyway, verse 12 of Romans three, all have turned aside to death. Together they have become useless. There is no one who does good, not even one. No one. But MacArthur said he's never, he's never revolted. He's never rebelled. He's always believed. He doesn't know when he was saved. He can't recall. When he was saved, my Bible tells us clearly. Let's, let's, we're gonna look at something. We're gonna look at something. Let's just deal with it. Let's just, matter of fact, matter of fact, isn't this kind of funny? This, this, this isn't, we're, we're quick, we're quick, we're quick. This is the same MacArthur that teaches total depravity. I believe in total depravity, but this ain't total depravity that MacArthur's talking about. This is sinless perfection that MacArthur is promoting for himself. The Bible don't teach sinless perfection. So that's why I'm saying this is, this is, this is, this is funny to me in a sad sense because this is the same man that would, that would talk about the doctrines of grace until it applies to him. The first T in tulip is total depravity. How sin has affected and infected the whole of man. Thought, will, motions, all of that. Sorry, Corey. Christ says he don't, nobody comes to him unless the father who sends him draws him. We don't have the ability to choose Christ. I know that's what y'all believe. I know it's what people like Corey believe. I love you, but you're wrong. It's tulip shoes on amputee. My Bible says there's no one who does good and would not repent this be a good thing. So if I, if I repent on my own, then I receive the glory. I receive the credit. That's something that, that, that's the good that I have found in myself. But according to MacArthur, he says, hey, I've never revolted. I've never rebelled. I've always, always, listen, listen, listen to all these qualifiers. Always, never, always, never, ever, all that. MacArthur says this. Let's continue. Let's continue. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Nellie, it's not, it's not immature and ridiculous. No, it's not. It's a question. It's a question. I wonder, I wonder what would you do if somebody ejaculated in your child's mouth? Would you still defend it? Would you defend anybody that would ejaculate in your children's mouth? Let it burn. Let it burn. I want it to burn. If you're making excuses for him, it makes me wonder how would you, how would you defend this kind of a perversion? That's all. Deal with it. Anybody defending MacArthur, anybody caping for MacArthur, anybody making excuses for why MacArthur didn't take an opportunity, excuse me, missed the opportunity? I just want to know would y'all, would y'all be cool with a grown man taking your five to eight year old children, grand babies or whatever and ejaculating in their mouth? Just asking. Because apparently it's no big deal for some of y'all. Y'all make excuses for them. Y'all make more excuses than a, than a daddy that's behind on child support and family court. That's how, that's how many excuses y'all got. And it's sad. Just, just wanted to know. But let's continue on. Let's see how sinful man is, the Bible says. Let's see, let's see. Because MacArthur says, hey, he's always, I mean, hey, my goodness. Fourth member of the Trinity, huh? Hey, Grace. Who would have thunk it? Who would have thunk it? Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity and incended my mother conceiving. That's what it says. 58, verse 5, excuse me, verse 3, 58-3. The wicked are strange from the womb. These who speak lives go astray from birth. 1 Corinthians, chapter 6, verse 9 through 11. Do you not know since, remember, not remember, he, MacArthur say, he don't remember. He don't remember being, being converted and being saved. He don't, he don't, and he said, he says, it don't even bother him. What? What? He don't even, it doesn't even bother him. Wow. Okay. It doesn't bother him. Well, okay. Do you not know that the unrighteous were not here at the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor duck covetous, nor drunkers, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. No, no, no. Any about rewards, you're going to lose your soul. You're going to lose your soul. But notice, such were some of you. This is what you used to be. This is what we used to be. So we would, we should know the difference, shouldn't we? How to ask if, listen, if you, if you know the exact time and spot and other, praise God. But if you don't know this, it's been a change. You don't know when the Lord saved you? Okay. The Bible says, such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and in the spirit of our God. Galatians chapter one. Let's see, let's see if, if, if Paul gets more specific in that, in that letter. Galatians chapter one verse 11 through 23. For you, for you, for I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man, for I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. For you have heard of my former, look, look, look, look what Paul says. You, you, this is, okay. I'm just, can I, can I do some, can I do, can I have a little, can I have a little logic clash real quick? If Paul says, everybody in the comments, Facebook family, YouTube family, question, question, question. Verse 13, Paul says, for you have heard of my former manner of life and Judaism. What would that imply? If Paul says, you, y'all have heard of my former manner of life. What would that imply? What would that imply, Facebook family? What would that imply, YouTube family? What would that mean if Paul says, for you have heard of my former manner of life, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and try to destroy it? What, what is Paul saying? What is, what is Paul saying? If he said, former manner of life, former manner of life, and I used to persecute the church, then that means that Paul, that means that Paul recognizes that there has been a change, that, that, that, Damascus road, he's recalling that. He's recalling that, ladies and gentlemen. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions. But when God who has set me apart from my mother's womb and called me through his grace was pleased to reveal his son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles. I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood. Know that I go up to Jerusalem to those who were possibly before me, but I went away to Arabia and returned once more to Damascus. Then three years later, I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Sifas and stay there for, stay with him for 15 days. But I did not see any of the apostles except James the Lord's brother. Now what I'm writing to you, I assure you before God, I'm not lying. Then I went to the regions of Syria and Sicilia and I was still unknown by sight to the churches of Judea which were in Christ. But only they kept hearing, he who once persecuted us is now preaching the faith which he once tried to destroy. What is Paul saying, y'all? He's simply saying this. What I used to do, I ain't doing no more. I used to think I was for God, but I wasn't. I was a rebel. How do we know? Because Jesus tells Paul, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? You're not working for me. You're working against me. But you're kicking against the pricks because you can't succeed. But wait, 1 Timothy 1 verse 12 to 13. I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has strengthened me because he considered me faithful, putting me into service even though I was formerly, formerly a blasphemer. And a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy. Why were you shown mercy, Paul? Because I acted ignorantly in unbelief. That's why. That's why. That's why. By the grace of God. Titus chapter 3 verse 1 through 8. For some of y'all, this is going to be your last live with me. Because y'all can't take this kind of truth. I know you can't. Because you're having to fit by what I've already told y'all that I gave y'all this claim to before I started this video, that this ain't going to be your average video. I'm coming straight for jugglers because y'all playing with people's souls. I'm not playing with them. Titus chapter 3 verse 1. Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable and gentle, showing every consideration for all men. Verse 3. Verse 3. For we also once were foolish ourselves. How do you know that you once were foolish if or until God opens your eyes to show you how foolish we once were? And how foolish were we before we got saved? Verse 3 says we were once also were once foolish ourselves disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. But when the kindness of God, our Savior, and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us. Not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ, our Savior, so that being justified by His grace, we will be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy statement. And considering these things, I want you to speak confidently, confidently of what? Of everything that He just said. Why? So that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. Wait a minute. So what's the opposite of good deeds, class? Evil deeds, bad deeds, fleshly deeds, right? These things are good and profitable for men. But according to MacArthur, he's always believed the gospel, he never rebelled, he doesn't know when he was saved. It doesn't bother him to not know when he was converted, and he never revolted. I didn't make these statements up, ladies and gentlemen. The Evangelical Pope himself said that. Now, I have a question to ask you after I play this clip. If you had to choose between someone being dangerous in Christendom, quote unquote, visibly, based on what you've seen, because there's a man who two individuals declare are dangerous, that he should be avoided, he should not be endorsed, he should not be supported, because supporting him, you are, you could be aligning yourself with somebody who could be guilty of supporting that which is false. Not making this up. Take a listen. We're not going to say that Michael Brown is damned. We're not going to affirm Michael Brown. Maybe you tell me if you affirm this, that the thing that we should be labeling Michael Brown, the adjective that we should use for Michael Brown is the dangerous Michael Brown. And if anybody knows what the word means, you are well advised to avoid him. So what do you say? Dangerous, Dr. Brown. Agreed. I wouldn't do anything in partnership with him. I wouldn't. Because I think he does so a massive amount of confusion. And I wouldn't want people to think that my affirmation of him means that I think he's not dangerous, because I think he is dangerous. And in fact, I think someone like him who has the air of credibility and can at times speak with a voice that seems to be affirming truth and certain truths that he does affirm is potentially even more dangerous than Heidi Baker because he will lead good and well-meaning people astray. So here's my question, ladies and gentlemen. Who's more dangerous? In light of, because according to the logic of Phil Johnson and Todd Freel, Michael Brown should be avoided. Michael Brown should be warned against. He should be marked and avoided because of his affiliations with false teachers. Why? My question is, does that principle, does that apply to your to your boss? Phil Johnson, does that apply to your boss, John MacArthur? Should we, should we mark and avoid MacArthur? Because again, again, unless someone can show me receipts, receipts, evidence, proof that MacArthur has made right these offenses that he has committed against these individuals since 1979. Currently right now, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, Christians, the body of Christ, brethren. Again, John MacArthur is the individual. John MacArthur is the one who said, who bristled back against those who disagree with his position on Lordship Salvation. Which again, I agree and I support and defend. But these anti-Lordship advocates have gone on record and said that disobedience and prolonged sin is what, John? Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. So ladies and gentlemen, where's the energy? Hmm? Are you going to hold John MacArthur this to the same standard by which he is exposing others of promoting? John MacArthur is in rebellion. John MacArthur is being in disobedience and John MacArthur is living in prolonged sin right now. So why would you or I continue to talk about how well of a preacher he is, how well of an exegete he is, how well of an expository he is, on and on and on, all the shepherds conferences. Oh, listen, listen, 5% of John MacArthur is worth more than the whole evangelical world put together. 40,000 people couldn't feel the shoes of John MacArthur. Are we to look at John MacArthur's suss as we would anybody else who lives in unrepentant prolonged disobedience? We had no problem talking about it with David when he had his affair with Bathsheba. That was less than a year. Why is it the low hanging fruit we keep swinging at? Why? Why are we keep swinging at the low hanging fruit? I know why. I know why because it's easy to pick off. It's that pretty fruit that's lofty and that's high and lifted up and we don't want to touch that even though that one is rotten too. And it's causing everybody else to rot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I know. I told y'all. I told you. So I'm just asking. I'm just asking because based on the poll that I presented earlier today, what did y'all say? I said, do you believe John MacArthur is a Christian? 51% of you said yes, you do. 20% said no, you don't. 29% said I'll vote after I see Seiko's receipts. Now that some of these receipts have dropped, what say you? By the standard, ladies and gentlemen, and only by the standard that John MacArthur himself has disagreed with people who hold to these Charles Hodge and others. Again, MacArthur pushes back on this statement. Disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. No reason to doubt the reality of one's salvation. And again, the context is he's quoting people who hold to the anti-laworship view. They believe you shouldn't question anybody's salvation if they're in disobedience and prolonged sin. They can live a life of homosexuality. The big ones, right? The big ones we always question people say, right? That's what we want to call people's salvation in the question. We don't want to call people's salvation in the question who don't repent for supporting abusers of women and child molesters. We'll put a little something on their books until we get busted and then we try to do it on the low. And then we try to blast and destroy the character of individuals who are holding these people accountable and question their salvation and try to question their sexuality and all that. People are questioning the sexuality of Julie Royce implying that she's a lesbian. People calling me a racist. Pull pen and pen and protestia. Those two, sorry, excuses of men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But again, all I'm asking, those of you who are, those of you who are caping for MacArthur, take that all the way if it happened to your grandbabies, it happened to your little children, it happened to your little nieces, your little nephews, you know, it's just keep that same energy. Keep that same energy. Don't change. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep defending sin and wickedness because of who they are. Go right ahead. Go right ahead. Let me know how that works for you at the Bama seat. Hopefully you make it to that one. Because actually the bottom line, that's cowardice. And God says you can go to hell for being a coward. Oh, I know. I know. You better re-revelation. That's the first sin. Those are the first individuals that go to the Lake of Fire. The homosexuals and the sodomites, they're not the first one to go. They're not the first ones on the list. It's the cowardly that John writes that says, this is your pattern of life? We call it fear of man. It's really cowardice. Well, the Bible calls it fear of the man, but it's also cowardice. You're more concerned and more afraid of the mighty, mighty, quote unquote, mighty, mighty John MacArthur than you are of the almighty God. And God says, if that's your pattern, you better question your salvation on me. If you want to continue to be a caper of wickedness, oh, God has a word for you. And he has a word for me. So let's not talk about John MacArthur right now. Let's talk about you and I. Are you saved? Tomorrow is Resurrection Sunday, where we celebrate the resurrection of our Lord. I've already, I've already posed the question whether or not John MacArthur is saved. I say his salvation is sussed. I say I can't call him a brother. He's a, if anything, he's a so-called brother or a no-brother or no-brother at all. And he's a so-called brother. He's a no-called brother. It's been 44 plus years, sir. 44 years. You've been preaching and proclaiming the gospel, quote unquote, and yet, and yet you have yet to repent of the sins that have now been made public. But y'all have no problem. MacArthur and him have no problem. When other people's sins are exposed, Mark Driscoll, they drug him. Ain't rightly so. Robbie Zacharias dealt with him. Joel Osteen, low hanging fruit. That's easy. Easy kill. Easy kill. TD Jakes, easy kill. Easy kill. Mike Todd, easy kill. Easy. Marcus Rogers, easy kill. Easy. What else you got? What about John MacArthur? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you say John MacArthur? Yeah. Yeah. The one, Son Valley, the one Grace Community Church. Yeah. Yeah, he's made a lot. He's, yeah, but so has these people. Yeah, but, you know, they're wolves. And, you know, they're false teachers. Yeah, but John MacArthur has been, you know, curving for abuses and has even been paying for people's, you know, ministry, quote unquote, and in prison and they have yet to repent. And he put a woman out of the church and has been, and wrote a letter to another little girl, acknowledging that, you know, the man that, that, that raped his daughter and molested his daughter. You know, he's still a good man. I mean, what about, and he has, yeah, yeah, I mean, but we all, I mean, he's 80, he's 82, 83 years old. I mean, he's an oxygenary. I mean, did you see how you walked in? You know, so until it's your idol, until it's my idol, we sing a different tune, don't we? But what about you? What about you? Are you safe? Have you examined yourself to see whether you're in the faith? I remember my dad telling me this years ago, he said, he used to pray this prayer, and I still do it. I'm not lying. I call, I call it, I call it a spiritual tune-up. Lord, if I'm not safe, save me. That falls in line with, with 2 Corinthians 13-5. Paul told the Corinthian church, when they were tripping and wilding out, man examine yourself to see if y'all saved. When's the last time you and I had a spiritual tune-up with the Holy Spirit? Lord, search my heart. Well, if I don't belong to you, Lord, I want to be yours. The fact that I'm having this conversation with you right now, Lord, you're bringing some things to me, Lord. I want to be made right in your sight. Lord, save me if I'm not saved because I'm realizing nothing is more dangerous than a person who has doctrine but does not have deliverance because they can preach and teach a good game and yet they can be one of the ones that you say, depart from me. I never knew you, Lord. I don't want to hear that coming out of your mouth to my ears. Lord, help me. Lord, save me. That should be our prayer and I hope it is yours. I'm done. Two hours and 36 minutes. I'm done. If you like this video and you probably won't, but do me a favor and like it anyway. Like this video. Share this video. Share this video. Share this video, please. Share it on your page. Share with your mom and them. Share with anybody who needs to hear it because this is for all of us. Names were mentioned on purpose with buking those who cape for people who cover for pedophiles and domestic abusers. Can't let that ride. Can't let that ride. Not on my watch. Maybe on yours, but not over here. Can't do it. So anyway, like the video. Share the video. Share this video with whoever. You can share it with the mob. Share whoever you want to share it to. Anybody want to come up? We can come up. Now tonight, we're done tonight, but I will be making a response video to Cory, to Cory Minor. And again, I don't have beef with Cory. He's my brother. I love him, but I love him enough to tell him the truth. He's wrong. I know he probably think I'm wrong, but see, I'm gonna be straight up with mine. Brother, you should have never made that video. And I see where I don't understand why you're telling me. I should be doing video. I'm gonna do videos on MacArthur and them and whoever else I need to do until the Lord himself tells me. I don't care about numbers, Cory. Numbers are not my concern. Numbers has this place to help the channel, you know, get exposed to other people, but I don't do this for numbers, brother. If I was doing this for numbers, I wouldn't be doing this because trust me, ask my wife. We're not, we're not hitting it. We're not at, we're not near six-figure status at all. I can hardly break 7,000, but I rather, I rather go at this rate and be faithful to the ministry and be faithful to the message of the gospel. This means a compromise with me to worry about what people like for me to hear. No, I might as well be like these so-called preachers and preach what their issuing ears want to hear. I'm going to preach and I'm going to say, and I'm going to present with us, say to the Lord, how God moves me to do it. Yes, Cory has 91,000 subscribers and change. Yes, he does. And God bless him. God bless him. All I'm saying is my Bible tells me promotional come from the East, no from the West, no from the South. Guess what direction they didn't, that the Psalms didn't point to and refer to North. That's what promotion comes from. It comes from above. If God wants my channel to grow, it'll grow. If he wants me to continue to do what I'm doing, he'll give me the strength, he'll give us the resources, he'll give us the networking and the individuals that he wants us to connect with and to sow into this ministry. But I will not, by God's grace, compromise. I will shut this channel down before I laid out to the devil, to fear man and to people's preferences that they want to make my precepts. Never, never. And in Jesus' name, you have my word on that. So like this video, share this video. Support the ministry if you can, like, subscribe, share. Please do that for me. I really, really, really, really, really appreciate that. Like, subscribe, share the video. Love life and mass with the woods. Please help us do that as well, too. Support the ministry. You can do that by clicking the donation links below. Also tick it across the screen as well. Thank you in advance. Thank you to those of you who have been doing so. Thank you for the super chats. 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