 So, last but not least, some good news. Margonets, yay! Because if the Switch isn't going to be so powerful like it's every third-party thing on the planet, well, it better be offering some virtual console stuff, right? Yeah. Maybe some stuff you've never gotten before? Whoa, wait what? Gamecube Virtual Console Support has finally been talked about. Oh boy. Talked about. But it's talked about. Oh gosh, yeah. Oh, it's been talked about for Wii U too. So, kind of holding our breath since maybe it didn't happen on Wii U because of sales or maybe it was never going to happen. I don't know. So, Koizumi from Nintendo, one of the primary guys there, does a lot of stuff. He says, they are working on some things along those lines when asked about including Gamecube Virtual Console Support. Can you be any more cryptic than that? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Along those lines, yeah. So, to me, this sounds like Gamecube Virtual Console Games, they're going to happen. It's very weird because the Switch does not have analog triggers. Yeah. And there are some games on Gamecube that require analog triggers. But again, they've also talked about, later on in a different interview, they talked about making joycons that are basically Gamecubes. So, those would have analog. They said it also makes the system really bulky and they kind of joked about it. It's not something they're actually doing. But that didn't increase the fact that maybe there will be different types of joycons. Right. And at the same point in time though too, it's not like buttons can't be remapped. So, I mean, there is that possibility. There is nothing you can remap about analog triggers. Analog triggers are pressure sensitive. Ah, okay. So, that's the big deal why some people are upset about digital. Because for racing games, you need that pressure for your brakes. Right. And your acceleration, your de-accelerate. So, it's primarily racing games that affects fighting games. It affects a lot of different kinds of games that you can take advantage of that. Okay. Yeah. So, remapping all you want doesn't change the fact that literally there's not a single button that has this functionality. Right. Right. Okay. Yep. And now Nintendo would be the only current gen- current gen. Are they a new generation? Current gen? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we're talking about the market from the major three platform holders that does not have analog. So. Yep. Take that what you want. So, that, mostly right now, because we don't know how that affects things in the future, we know that that does affect GameCube. So, I wonder if they're saying working on some things along those lines means they're going to bring some versions of console games over. No, no, I'm thinking I got a whole other idea on this. What do you got? Working on this thing called the game box, not GameCube. It's very, very, very similar to GameCube. But, you know, that's why it's along the lines of. Oh, my God. Complete sarcasm here, by the way. Because here's the thing. Nintendo hasn't talked about virtual console in the system at all. They said it's something we'll discuss in the future. Which tells you it's probably not there at launch because we're a couple weeks from launch. It's not being talked about. Yeah. Chances are virtual console is not going to be talked about until their online service goes up at the end of the year. Or somewhere when they launch the app. You know, at some point later this year, they'll talk about virtual console. One thing I saw someone do. This guy, Josh, his name from BitBlock. The BitBlock or whatever on YouTube. He put up a mock concept of basically a Netflix-like service for virtual console. Interesting. That I think it would be extremely interesting if Nintendo decided to go that route. And maybe that's why they're not talking about it. Because they're still developing this Netflix-like. Like what he says. Something along those lines. It's not going to be like traditional virtual console. It'll be a subscription service. 15 bucks a month like Netflix or whatever. And then you gain access to the entire virtual console library. I would actually be okay with that. Surprisingly. I think a lot of people would be okay with that. I mean, yeah. They have to consistently update it. But so does Netflix. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And they have enough in their library. They could keep that going for a long time. Oh yeah. And then on top of that, they could. Because this is something I've talked about them doing. If their online, their base online thing was really expensive. Now it's not going to be included for $2. And they've already confirmed at least the games that have the online features you can purchase. After that one month free is up. So like we know there's some sort of individual purchasing. But I'm wondering if that's kind of an aside. Because those are bonus features. And the base games you can still get through Netflix like service. Now again, this is speculation and dreaming because we don't know. Nintendo is not talking about it. But I really wish that that's the direction they would go here with this. Is take your GameCube VC, take everything. Throw it on a Netflix like service. And you're going to make more money over time doing this. And the thing is, as you go along, once you finally run out of retro games, which I don't know how you can because you can start talking to third parties. Oh yeah, definitely. I don't know when they would be a long time before they run out of retro games. But once they hit that point that they run out of retro games. Guess what? Now you can start talking about bringing 3DS games over there. Somehow reworking those to work on the thing. DS games. There's a whole lot of directions you can go to keep it going. And then finally for some reason, every single game that's ever released on your old platforms has come out. Then you start looking at, well, we released Breath of the Wild at launch. It's been 6 years. I want to throw that on the service. Yeah. At that part of the service now, everyone can play Breath of the Wild. Yeah. You can still charge for that DLC. Yeah. Definitely. I guarantee you won't put it in DLC. Or maybe they throw the DLC on instead of the game. Yeah, whatever. So it's one of those, which I think would be so weird. Because by then, everyone who's bought Breath of the Wild that wants to play the DLC has the DLC. Yeah, I suppose, yeah. But I don't know. Again, this is a pipe dreaming, but I don't know. Do you want to see a Netflix like service? I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. I'd love to see something free, but who won? Who won? But I understand the fact that, you know, I'm okay with actually paying a subscription a month if I have to, to access a decent library. So it's not like we're paying 15 bucks for the online service and then an extra 15 is now 30. We're looking at, again, I kind of mentioned this before, 20 bucks a month, maybe a total. And it's like, you told me before that's too expensive and now here we are. Oh, but, but, but here's the thing. Here's what makes it more acceptable. Even if it ends up being, say it's $5 a month for the online service. 15 for a Netflix service. So you're hitting that $20 mark that I mentioned in a previous podcast. You're like, oh, don't do that. Right. Here's the thing. You don't have to spend 20 bucks a month to gain access to the online features. Right. That's the big deal. Yep. It's if you want. And there's also. Virtual console. There's also the fact that you have an access to a library of games. Yes. Not to just one or two. Yeah. We're talking about the 20 bucks earlier. We were talking about maybe one or two games. This is, we're talking on a library now. Yeah. So that makes it a heck of a lot more acceptable. Yeah. So again, that's what I hope happens. Ever since I saw that video that he made, I'm like, that's really slick. Yeah. It's all managed in the cloud, by the way, which makes this even easier for Nintendo if they did it that way. The way that he presented it because then you're not even running it locally on your system and most of these old games could easily run in the cloud. Oh yeah. So that brings us back to the GameCube Virtual Console. So it's something they've talked about, something they promised. They've remastered some GameCube games. Yep. Aka Twilight Princess, The Wind Waker. Basically Zelda, since that's like the only thing they are all. Apparently Nintendo is a memo. We can only HD Zelda games. Yeah. We can't do an HD Mario Galaxy. We can't do an HD Super Mario 64. Just isn't something we can do. It has to be Zelda. Why? Only Zelda can remakes. Why? That's not true, because technically on DS Mario 64 got remade. Oh yeah. Mario 64 DS, but for the most part it seems like they're just remakes of all the games and nothing else. And the thing is, there's all the games sell, but so what are the remakes? Right. Yeah. I'm sure Mario 64 would sell fairly well. So I look at that and I say something along those lines means, yes, some games are going to be virtual console releases, some are going to be remakes. Yep. That's realistically what I see. Because they've already proven that they will remaster GameCube games in the HD. So. Yeah. And now you start thinking GameCube virtual console, they're finally starting to at least talk about it. Whether or not anything happens, we don't know because they've cryptically talked about GameCube virtuals more than ever happened. That's why I said game box. Game box. But now you guys still look at it. The Wii is not much more powerful and you have motion controls. Yeah. Yeah. Or is this what they're going to do? They're going to do GameCube virtual console games for the games that don't need the analog trigger and then they're going to do Wii virtual console except it's not going to be Wii virtual console, it's just going to be we're doing everything in HD and you pay $20 a pop for each game to get an HD. Yeah. What do you mean? They just did Twilight Princess $60 freaking dollars. Ugh. 10 years after it came out. Yeah. I know. Thanks. That's what they do though. Yeah. Like if they finally give us HD Mario Galaxy, it's going to be $60. I know. That just. Yeah. And people are going to pay it. I know they are. That's the sad part. It was like I paid it for Zelda and I would pay it again. Yeah. I know. But like that's because it's worth it to me. In so much like I don't want to say like it's worth the $60 but it was. You gained features on the game pad. You gained a quick sale on the Wind Waker HD. I made that game infinitely better in my opinion. Yeah. They even changed up some of the Triforce Quest to make it a little better. Like the subtle changes they did in addition to making an HD or worth it to me. Plus dude some of my favorite games in HD. Yeah. No, I know. I mean I get it. People will say if Sigurimana was in HD I'd pay $60 but no I won't. Yeah. Sigurimana, you're just going to up the resolution. It's going to look exactly the same. It's not like the Wind Waker that had unnoticeable improvement in my opinion. Or Twilight Princess that maybe didn't have such a big improvement but like the textures were very noticeable. Like the game didn't look like it aged as bad. Yeah. Which was worth it to me to spend money on. Plus you got an Amiibo. It was really nice. Okay. Yeah. That's a little bit more acceptable then. But to me to release a game that's how many years old. Yes, it's updated to be HD. Well, here's it. What do you want them to do with Gamecube games? Virtual console is, I mean what we've been talking about that. That's all you want? Yeah, that's all I need. I mean that would be amazing. So my 4K TV if that thing ever works again. Fun fact my $1,500 4K TV is busted and Samsung refuses to fix it. Yeah, thanks Samsung. So now I gotta wait for my stuff to kick in with the retailer I bought it from which is after the one year war anyways. Long story short, it doesn't work and I'm not happy. But if it was working, you're okay playing in crappy 4.3 480p on a 4K screen. No, well when the alternative is, take it at least make it 1080p. Grand, but you know what they're gonna do. You know what's gonna be 60 bucks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean if it's a Netflix service it's all muted anyways. Right, yeah. But assuming that they're gonna still sell games individually which they might because they made good money doing it. Yeah. So you just want them all on VC? Yeah, no one bothered me. Because I'm used to that being those graphics anyways. So here's what I'd like to see them do. Is now that they've proven that upgrading some of the GameCube games to HD isn't necessarily a long process. I would like them to release every GameCube game that their controllers can possibly support properly on virtual console. I mean they're not going to release them all at once, but you know. No, right. Right, yeah. And then offer say a $20 HD texture pack per game that you could optionally do that upgrades the game to 1080 resolution. Yeah. With the new textures. Yeah. Something I've talked about them doing before, they still haven't done it. They're still going to make more money. I think releasing at retail for 60 bucks a pop. But I think they might not do that because they're, I think they're gonna end up remastering, remastering, more like repackaging. But most of the Wii U library since the sales were so slow or so bad on it, so they're not going to need to remaster GameCube games. So I feel like they can just make extra money by having a group of people that all they do is sit back and put it in 1080 and re-textured the game and just keep releasing texture packs. Yep. And make extra money that way. So like, oh, you can just buy the normal, say the normal game you gave for 10 bucks. But if you want it in HD, you can pay an extra 20. And they'll be like, oh, they're holding it back. Really? Because the alternative is they really set a retail for 60. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. It's going to cost 60. Game came out like two, three years ago. It comes with extra stuff. I was going to say it does. But it did add extra features. So a vast majority of the game. No, I get that. Is the way game. Right. And that's where my point would be, you know, on that one, it's more acceptable because there is actually, to me, it's there's actually new features and quite a bit of new features. Battle mode, basically. Yeah. Plus a couple of characters. Yeah. But that one, it does feel kind of in a way like a new game where it's not just remastered, re-up. It basically upscaled graphics and then re-sell that. I think it feels new for you because you didn't know who you were. Oh, there's that too. It really looks exactly like what I was playing this whole time. Yeah. With Splatoon characters and a new battle mode, which by the way, that also just goes to show how awesome new battle mode is. Well, it has the ability to hold two items. I don't know if they're including that in the main race tracks or not because we've only seen people playing the battle mode. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would be okay more with like if they came out with the old games like that for like 40, you know, where it's not like it's, you know, it's not a brand. It's not a brand. I know. I realize that. But you know what I'm saying? It's not a brand new game. It's something from the past. It's something that's old that all you did was slightly up the graphics. Whoop-de-freaking-do. It's not slightly. Okay. So what? I mean, you're going from 480 to 1080. That's not a slightly- Okay, fine. Okay, fine. That's like going from your 3DS to us watching the Bucks game. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's a pretty big upgrade. What? Pretty significant we're talking about here. Like a game like Mario Galaxy where you feel like would be easier to do that with, but there's certain games that are not so easy to do that with. Oh, yeah. No, I know. Like Twilight Princess requires a lot more texturing. Yeah, I don't know. Just to me, it seems more like a $40 area just because it's not a brand new game. Yeah, I get that. I get that. There's a lot of people that felt Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker should have been 40, but out of the games because they're not new games. Yeah, they have some new features, but they're not new games. Yeah. There's people that feel that way about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. It's not a new game. Yeah, there's that. New features. Yeah. But it's not a new game. Yeah. It's not a new game for you. This is the only argument that I feel Mario Kart 8 has for the $60 price point. It's not the new modes and new characters. That was going to happen either way. They've proven they do that when they remaster games. Yeah. It's the fact that it includes all the DLC. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's what to me makes it to be like, because on Wii U, if you go out and buy Mario Kart 8 right now, it might still even cost $60. Well, I think you can get it for $48 or something on Amazon, but you're still going to have to spend $12, $20 extra to get all the DLC. Yeah. Like, that's, I think, where the value is. You could look at it as it really is worth $40, but $20 extra for the DLC plus the modes. Right. Yeah. And that, to me, is acceptable. The Mario Kart 8 Deluxe might have an exception because it was one of Nintendo's first foray into DLC and it includes it all. Yeah. But, I don't know. GameCube Virtual Console, I really want... This is really tough for me because, obviously, I just want to be able to play all the games. Yeah. Every GameCube, I just want to be able to play it. And I realize that the Pro Controller, the stuff, they don't support analog. Maybe there'll be a release with Virtual Console games. Like, you could buy a specific analog controller if you really want. Yeah. But it's... I'm really torn. Really, really torn because the GameCube marked the thing that started the Wii era and there's so many fantastic games on there. Oh, definitely. But it's like, I... I guess I'm in kind of an HD horror. I am a Nintendo gamer. I've been playing HD on stuff. Now I've seen Nintendo games in HD. I don't want to go back. Yeah. Now, if we're talking 2D, top-down stuff, I'm fine with that not being HD. Like SNES, NES... Yeah. Then that needs to be HD. I'm okay with that. But we're talking 3D video games. I've seen better now. Yeah. I want better. I want Luigi's Mansion in HD. Period. Yeah. But again... I want Super Smash Bros. Melee in HD. Yeah. Period. Yeah. I want these GameCube games in HD. Rogue Squadron on the GameCube. I want that in HD. Mm-hmm. Granite. Not a Nintendo game, but whatever. Yeah. I want that stuff in HD. I just know it's going to be expensive as heck if they do it. Yeah. So it's like... I guess all I should be asking is just give me a way to play it. Whether it's in HD, whether it's not. But I'm just like... I'm a little selfish. Yeah. I'm sorry guys. I don't even have the money to do it to pay it for these games. Yeah, right? I just want to know they exist. Yeah. So maybe someday before I die I'll go back and finally buy them from the Switch. Yeah, right? Even though it's like 10 generations left. And if it's all virtual, the shop won't even be up anymore. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just so torn because the reality is I should just hope for any way to play it. Yeah. Whether it's old games or HD. I'm kind of so selfish. Yeah. I mean to me I think it's more of a I'm used to seeing it in the quote-unquote crappy graphics that to me it's fine, I guess. That's just me though. Yeah. You might feel like... Do you like Super Mario Galaxy? Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Are you going to want to go back to those graphics after you play Odyssey? I don't know. I haven't played Odyssey yet. That's what I'm saying. The little bit you've seen of Odyssey looks fantastic. Yeah, it does. It doesn't look that different from, in my opinion, from Mario Galaxy graphics. It's just different settings. Yeah. Outside of the city. Right. Yeah. Everyone knows the city. Yeah. Whatever. So it's kind of like once you experience something better it's like I don't want to go back. Like the Wind Waker and HD I've experienced it now. Even the old school Wind Waker game and HD like on emulators doesn't feel as good to me. I'm like, here's the thing. I've seen a lot of these games with their same textures in HD on emulators and it's like, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Can you just emulate like that in HD? Yes. Anyways. Yeah. They don't do it because at this point they're not really telling us we're going to get GameCube Virtual Console. It's just, what were the exact words again? The, along those lines. Yeah. They're doing something along those lines. We are working on some things along those lines. Some things. Okay. Along those lines. Yeah. Yeah. Nintendo. It's time for a direct. Yep. We need a Nintendo direct. We need you to clearly outline the future of Virtual Console. Clearly outline the future of a lot of things. All these features we just got in this document leak that are standard. How about you let the public know? All right. Let them know it's a universal console system. Yep. Because you're not talking about it. Nope. That's what people care about that are buying the system day on. Yep. Obviously, we are people in the know. So, we write the leak we know, but there's a lot of consumers that don't watch this podcast. We'll go to all the various Nintendo sites. Yeah. So, yeah. I guess that's going to do it for this week. Yep. Sorry that it really felt like a downer week. Yeah, right? Kind of did. Yeah. But you know what? As we get closer to release, we're going to have a lot and somehow we went to the podcast. Maybe for the first time in a long time in like months without talking about Breath of the Wild. Well, we just did. That's right. I purposely wanted to kind of keep Breath of the Wild topics out here. There was some trickling news out there, but nothing big. Yeah. Nothing worth talking about that we haven't really discussed. So, I'm kind of going to leave Breath of the Wild conversation alone unless we somehow get some massive big news. Because I kind of want to save everything. Any thoughts or opinions until we play. Okay. And we're going to be live streaming. I for sure will be live streaming. I can't say exactly at midnight because I have to go I'm picking it up at midnight. So, probably around 1 to 2 a.m. that night of release, I will be live streaming central. He won't be because he's got to go home sleep, go to work. But I'm sure he'll come back the following weekend. And I don't know how long I'll be live streaming for that day till I pass out. So an hour and a half. Or until I have to really take care of my kids. Which means if I think about till I take care of my kids that's at 6.30 in the morning. So you might get four or five hours out of it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so we'll get a more concrete live stream once I clear it with my girlfriend. Which number one personally I've cleared it with. And then I clear it with him when he's going to be available. Because what I want to do is I said earlier with the live stream is make sure that both of us stream. It's going to be through the same setup. So we're not going to have two streams going at once. I can set it up so we have two of us going at once. But I'm not going to start our first time through that we're not racing. Yeah. I don't want to you know I want players to see this is how I approach the game. Now here's how you're approaching the game. And so they see the variety in it. And heck maybe they're playing with a lot along with us. Who knows. Maybe. But yeah. And it's going to be weird because I'm going to I already know guys I'm going backside. Yeah. Because once you get to a certain point where you get the glider you can go anywhere you want off the plateau. I'm going backside because we haven't seen anything backside. Yeah. They keep going forward. I'm like none. I know this is over there. I've seen a couple of the shrines. Yeah. There's the castle. No. I'm not going to be one of those guys going straight from the boss right away. I'm going off the backside and see what the hell is back there. And if I die I end up in the middle of the ocean. Well. I die. Just another. Another death. We know there's land back there. I don't know what it is but I want to go find the direction you're going to go. You're going to go whatever is convenient. I'm sure. I just got the glider. Well going down over here. Yep. I'm going to be like nope I'm purposely climbing up those ding mountains in the back so I can glide down to the backside. Anyways. That's going to do it for the 17th episode of the Nintendo Prime podcast. As always I am your host Nathaniel Ruffeljantz. This is my good buddy Eric Moore and we will catch you guys next week. See you later. Switching it up.