 Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the official, lovely, Ms. Jamaica. Hey, what's going on? Hey, man, we got a special guest today, man. I'm going to be honest with you, you don't need no introduction, man. When it comes to Dallas and what we do, it's the only way we make it through, man. Say, man, my boy Don Chief is in the house, man. Sachi, sachi. Thanks, man. Thanks for y'all welcoming me. You the one made me start wearing a lot of sachi, man. That's same. When you sent that back to me in the text, I said, this the one that had me out there over at North Park acting real bad. Man, I'm glad you saying it, because a lot of these boys doesn't need to follow this, they don't follow the suit. Oh, no, no, no, I got to show homage, man. That's the whole reason why we, when we did this, we couldn't, we couldn't even do the show and be where we at. And I bring the ones who are pinnacles in the city through. So, you know, we just, we basically, we knew that, you know, if we're going to do this, we got to do it all the way right. And so that's what we've been doing. We've been marching the ones through who really, really, who really made us who we are. Right. And that's, that's you guys. So just appreciate. I always say that to everybody, the ones who really, you know, did done the work, you know, put that work in, man. So being from, I say, West Dallas, man, that's where I first heard you from. Right. And I was like, man, you know, my cousin, and I hate to say this because everybody always said, well, you might not know Charles Rambo and all my cousins, man. So, yeah, he died. Nobody from over there know. I know it, but Junior used to come here before he died. Junior Rambo, the dad, the old man, he would come here and check on me and everything, man. Then last time I seen him was at Miami funeral. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know, I mean, you know, the family. Yeah, there's a lot of us, you know, but at the end of the day, that's, that's my, my people. Shout out to Charles down there in the hometown. He at home now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. But that's how when I, and when I would go to Bobby's, man, back in the day and in the club, get the jumping. Hey, man, we're Dallas in that thing, man. Deep boy, what did you have to go over there? Of course, no. Are you like, I can't be in there. You might have been, were you younger than me? So you might, you're young. So you couldn't, you might, we didn't, we didn't have you over there. You're not going to go and know you don't. That's what it was, man. Man. So, so the music, man, how do you, how do you keep it consistent all these years, bro? I mean, it's really just a part of me. So my music is just my Bible, my therapy, you know? So long as I'm living, I'm going to keep it consistent. You know, and it be stepping. Like, it ain't no, it ain't no, you don't miss, bro. You know, I got a couple of people that I put in a whole another level when it comes to lyrics like Scarface. You got that same vibe where you don't make no bad, ain't no bad songs coming from all the way to me, all the way back to all the stuff I've ever heard. Hold your tongue, all that stuff. It was solid, right, right. Consistent. Now, but look where I come from. You know, I come from that jungle. You know, my, my terrain, I had to, you know, have some substance. Yeah, yeah. So that's what you get with me. You just get substance. You get a person who doesn't live a little bit. Who don't saw some things. Yeah. And it was consistent. Capitalism had kept me something, man. Every time I go through it was something. Facts. It was like, you know, I got to get him on this show. Now, now, like he got to be, you know, you know, it's a lot of people that, you know, there's pioneers that help, you know, to see to get to where it's at, to help build the culture that need to be, you know, talked to, you know, Diamond, Cap, you know, all the, all the, all the mom and pops. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You even got to go to Fonky Town, get Greg and Munchy Wayne. I mean, Rick shot me in life. They all played a part. And it's going and it's like a lot of people overlooked because they don't get caught up in the, you know, the new things. Yeah. You know, everyone for the foundation, you wouldn't have enough to be alone. That's so true. And I think that's why we, I think that's why we're going to win because we do it like that. That's what we're looking for. The visual guys, like we had what, who was that? Cam, God and Ovid medium, the people who nobody don't even look at. You know what I mean? We bring, bring them to the front, even prophecy. When I had him on here, nobody ever interviewed him. I bring the people that I think get overlooked. And then I bring the patriarchs. And I think that's where it's at. No, that's good. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's how we roll. You know, I've always heard about West Dallas and everybody else make it sound like it's so, so bad. She even Jamaica's, you know, just like old Cleave. They talk about old Cleave, like, oh, it's a bad area. But you being from those areas, what's the worst thing you've ever seen that you're like that really, like devastated you or what made an impact on you? I mean, you know, it's bad, you know, I mean, if one is the ghetto. So you from Jamaica, so it's just like you, we might, we heard things about Jamaica. And like, they be tripping and shit. So there was nothing that just like stood out in your mind. Like that, that one instant just happened. And it's something you did not expect. I mean, coming from, at that time, it really, you know, when you. I mean, only thing you just didn't expect was, you know, when you young is just seeing another young, young cat like yourself be killed or die. You know, you know, that's the only thing you expect. But when you coming from that, that, that mud, it's like your room to a lot of things you kind of know, should learn to a lot of things that really should get your attention. So now, I mean, it was just our way of living. So it. So what it did, it just built character. It, it, it, it, it, it gave me moral respect. It gave me, it gave me, you know, substance, like I said. So now it didn't, it didn't really, you know, detain me from anything. I jumped out there, even when I saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You put a lot of it in your music, like when you saw it, because you wrote your own music. Yes, yes, yes. So a lot of the music that you did, it's what happened around you. Thanks, thanks. I mean, it's all, you know, experiences, either minor experiences. That's just been around. So your first rap song that you did, was it your mom who inspired you to do that one? Yeah, yeah. In a sense, I mean, I'm, I'm a, I'm a mama's boy. So, you know, shoot, I wrote a Valentine's poem and, you know, it just rhymed. And, you know, she kept it in. That was it. Do you remember it? Of course not. I don't remember that one. I don't remember that one. I don't remember that one. That's sweet, though. Yeah, I knew you was going to ask that question. I'll let you have that, because you, that was, that was it. That was it. So he always, because mama is, you know, I have a mama's boy at home and the older one always teased him that he's a mama's boy, but it's something about boys and their moms because like my daughter, she's so independent. And so, you know, she's not emotional where it comes to that for me. Yeah. But a boy, he'll come if I'm not feeling well, he'll come to my door. Mama, you OK? You need some advice for a boy that they just do. So you OK? My mama, so my mama got two boys, so she rod in the cocaine. So she's a, you know, she's an earth sign, so she wasn't no. It was no baby now. It was what she still, she still, she was very strong. Her aura, she didn't want to know she's not the feminine type. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's not. She's a strong and stern. Oh, yeah. You know, so, you know, I can, I can soul and go be, you know, what we need to do, mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the way it is. And you're the youngest? Yeah, yeah, I got a big brother. OK. I know that. I mean, being from the country, because it ain't where you from is really where you at. And I remember when I always tell you about when my dad shot at my mom and I was four and my dad got shot in the same place in the head where my uncle got killed in. And my other uncle burnt it up. You know, it was a gambling shack down in East down there, right up from where Charles live right now and just country boys, man. So when you see certain things growing up and then when I came out here and I seen that, it's like the same way we had it, but just a bigger way when I seen West Dallas and South Dallas and Oklahoma. I was the same thing we were doing down there. Just it just a little more of it, you know, and I was never exposed to anything like that. Personally, I just here being to make, I heard of different things that happened in certain areas. I was aware of certain things, but I've never experienced it. So when you would tell me certain stories, I was like, really? Yeah, my uncle come home to get the gun. I know what he going to do. I was young boy. I know where he could go back down to that bad. He shot a dude that had whooped him and pretty much he limped the rest of his life. I watched him limp, but my uncle got killed right after that. One guy shot in the head. So when you see these type of things happen, then I came out here. I was over off Malcolm X. I see a thing. I walk in coming from Bobby's. I have my necklace on and money in my pocket. But the other dude that came out, I don't know if it was just a look of the draw got shot in the head right there and robbed right there. But I walked in and he walked out and he got shot. Like I seen the two dudes got watching. I'm a street cat. So I'm watching the side of the building like, dang, man, when it happened, it just like, I mean, we left. But it's like you out. It's like, you know, ain't tripping. Right. It's sad that you think like that. Once you've seen so many times death like that. Like my uncle, I found him dead. Like I can keep going. I we shot at people. I don't know if we killed him, but we heard some people got killed. Right. When you young, you know what I mean? And that's just the way life is. But what I'm hearing from all of this is the fact that you don't have to be a product of your own environment just because you see certain things and you're around certain things when you were younger. That don't mean you have to grow up and be. No, you evolve. Right. And that's what I want our listeners to know is that don't always think that you have to be like the person that you're around. That may be influencing you in a bad way. You can evolve from that and become, you know, better than that. That's what's up. I mean, you know, like I said, these microphones, to be honest with you, like he said earlier, you know, it's really therapy, therapeutic. People listening. And I think that's something that I hold me in on every time. Like I know that it could help somebody. What we say, you know, because they listening at your music. I listen at your music. Like I said, consistently, because your music, you can put in and ride to it. And you ain't got to cut it off. You can write to the whole thing. Now, you ain't got to skip through to try to find a good song. Now, I'm being real, bro. I know because I love music, you know what I mean? And that's, you know, even more so. Don't get me wrong. I like the pooch and luchy thing. I wrote to it. But then as you evolved, it was some the street thing. It educated you and it made you move a certain way. You know, I heard about you over there with Bentley in the in the in the in the projects. Yeah, I would hear about things like that. And I'd be hustling. I have my things going back in the day, you know, so it'd be like, OK, yeah, you know, a nigga can get real, be real and keep it 100 and still get getting paper, you know, right, right, right. You know, so so that's real talk. You know what I'm saying now, man, you know, at the end of the day, I come from everywhere you had to be who you said you are. I mean, you older than me. Oh, yeah, for sure. At the end of the day, you got to check out. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, me, I just come from there. That where Dallas, we some just everything that come. We we very unique. Oh, for sure. You know, like, like, and, you know, shoot. I knew it was kind of a battle for me anyway, because West Dallas always kind of been shunned upon, you know, we the smallest, you know, but yet the rawest, the rawest, you know, and in everybody always had, you know, a certain look of how they thought West Dallas was because of the cats from Penitentiary or boys, there just was before. So before me and y'all, there was already put the stump down. And, you know, the story just had been told. So when I came about, it was more or less like, you know, I watched everything before me, even my brother, you know, and people that I did that I that I grew up with. And I was just like, you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a stick out like that thumb. Yeah. So I just went against the grain with everything. I didn't claim no games. I wanted, you know, I was more just like, it's on me. You know, you know, I was in the sixth grade. I cut my her ball here in the fifth. And I said, I'm going to go to the side. Wow. You know, like, you know, so it was more or less like, you know, it was just it was just just it was just that that upbringing just had to be, you know, want to be want to be something, you know, I want to be something at early age, because I always looked up to things that was great. Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, you know, and at that age, you know, they was, you know, TV and stuff and all that was just, you know, sport, it was just being they were just blowing up black people. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So they was really giving us again, D.O.C. You know, he was right up, right, right down two, three, four houses, right up the field. And we seen Daniel Kev that, you know, his little his partner beat chest boxing with me and my brother and hit me in the stomach. But we watching his cousin on on on the box on the box was show. So that was motivation, motivation just from West Dallas people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Looking at like, man, we seen one hour was out here. So, you know, it was just it was just something that stuck with me. I couldn't speak for nobody. No, no, that's good. That's good. Yeah, I took it and I was like, shoot, I want to be that cat. No, no, that's real. I want to be one of them guys. Yeah, I was here. You go ahead. No, go ahead. I hear you mentioned about your mom, but did you have your father in your life? No, no, he, you know, he got caught up living his life and he was locked up. But his mother and his little sister did what he should have did. But I know he was, but nah, he don't know it. So did you have a father figure like a male figure? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was not I didn't look up to no male figure in the sense like that. But I had a male figure around, you know? But, but we, we did things and we had boys club. So I was in the sport. So you always had a male figure around that was teaching and, you know, showing authority to somebody who we had to respect. So with that being said, it just, you know, that built character in itself for us, you know, having respect for another man or a person who older than you. That's the reason why I ask that question, because I've met so many women who would say I'm mother and father to this boy. And I don't believe that I always believe that you need a man to teach you how to be a man. A woman can't teach a boy. Right. So that's why I was asking, did you have a male figure? Because to turn out manly, you need a male figure. You know, sometimes you just got to be the example as us being men, who, who those who ain't never had no father around. You just kind of have to goddamn me being exactly and learn how to, you know, be a man. You know, in, in shoes. So that just become a natural reflex. You know, everybody walking around with no daddy. So it's just like, we just out here trying to learn how to be young man, turning into grown man. It is, it's such a dysfunction in our culture sometimes. And the reason I say that, because even though you say you don't have a dad, but say you do have a dad and and the mom and dad fighting every week and arguing, and then they get a divorce ripped out of part. Now they arguing about who going to keep the kid. And this is a whole nother level of, OK, we tripping over here the same way they tripping because the disconnect is there. But now it's toxic. So it can go either way. And I think a lot of it go because of who we are and where we come from a lot of times because of the plate, the because of the oppression, a lot of time that that have been placed in our ancestors. I really think that that takes a toll now to this day. That was not anything pretty much done to for us to say, OK, we're going to get some therapy on the fact of what happened. And, you know, all the the things that every other culture gets, you know, the help, the help in hand, we don't get it. People come to this country now and they still get matter of fact, you want to know why? Like they treat every if you go to a job, they treat and I work, you know, they treat even the people from the islands or anybody better than a brother, a American black man. If you are the white guy or whoever's over the top, you lose a white guy. He's not going to look at he's going to put that black guy at the lowest he can. It wasn't designed for that's right. You know, like, and that's one thing that I've come to grips with. Yeah, I'm not going to be out here with them people fight. No, I'll let marching now that I'm not either because you got to accept that they'll never look at us as equal. It don't make sense to do it. They are not. Why would they? Now, don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. They kids don't start doing a little bit of loving the loving on colored folk, you know, you know, you know, but but but but they they say to me, they they still they ain't, you know, so it probably won't change until like we, you know, some generations, that's right. You know, you're exactly right. They so far ahead of how they done segregated just the black people, the American black people anyway. I mean, so me, I don't really get caught up into the shenanigans. I'm just like, Hey, what I tell you, my people and everybody I'm with, we have to learn a game exactly and learn how to play it well. And when we learn how to play that game, we'll maintain it. And we just got to teach our people how to be good at the game that they playing, because we too be the game we play. It costs us time, life, you know, this and that. So we got to learn how to play that game in in feed it all out. That's the only way we go catch up the way in in over here in America. So it's like, until we get that, we'll never goddamn me catch up. And we'll never get that because, you know, it was like this. You at the house, nigga, in the field. Ain't no reparations. You can forget about all that. Southern nigga in the northern nigga. They'll never think the same. We don't. And that's something that happens a lot. That was another reason I started this platform, because I feel like the people on the East Coast never will give us how I just do. And when I put this together, when I think about breakfast club and all those people swaying all that, they'll never understand what we got going in the South. So we have to we have to do it for ourselves. And we got talent down here like yourself and other people that get totally ignored and will never be respected lyrically for the way that they treat others up there. So I would never ever bow down to that system. I'm a big Pimp C. Fan as you already know, I ain't trying to hear it. I'm not trying to hear. I love my people. And it just takes it. It's more or less like the South, the South, the like our culture. We go think different than how they think up there, because they ain't have to get it. They they wouldn't raise. They upbringing one like that. They thought we they say we ride horses. Have you seen the horse? Oh, they definitely my cousin thought that in California. They like they don't have sidewalks. So I'm like, what the hell wrong with y'all? No, but it's terror to have everywhere. Because before I came here when I was moving here, you know, friends who said, oh, yeah, you're going to see them cowboys walking around with them cowboy hats and they don't have cars and all of that. Just like people here are thinking that everybody in Jamaica have dreads and smoke weed and it's not like that. It's just a stereotype that people have of different people from different areas. Well, I can tell you right now. I mean, I represent this. You see me when we be going to college, cargo, wherever. I represent Texas hard and I love my people and I'm going to put it in their face every time. It don't matter if I'm talking if I'm when I met Jazzy Jeff, whoever I'm from Texas, man, and it be going down like that. And I'm real fly about it, too. You know what I'm saying for my people and where I'm from. Because if you don't, if you don't respect you, who going to respect you? So, you know, I read and I never will be one of those guys that I like Jazzy, but I'd never rock to that kind of music. I'm just being honest, which I like him. No, we resonated with pop. I get it. But I'm just saying I hear him now, but I like, but it ain't going to never be compared to no P.M.C. Tell me something good. Never in my life will I make that lie on this platform. So that I mean, I'll never be able to do that because of where we at and what I heard. Right. See, when I hear you, like I said, I don't know. One thing I always wanted to know is how you pick your beats, man, and how how that process is because you be picking the right damn beats on every song. I mean, with that is more or less. You know, I couldn't pick his beats like that. See, I'm I mean, I go out feeling so it's like, you know, that's pretty much how I go and pick my production. So, you know, and I'm into soul. I mean, I'm I'm I'm I'm got I got an older soul. So I like a lot of, you know, things that's kind of musical, you know, something that you can feel. I like something that a person go put it like this. I like it when you can just jam the beat and you just literally just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and you don't even need to wear the words. Just compliment just the icing on the cake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, with me, I just know what's good for me. Yeah, I do. You know, I rock with it. Yeah. I just know what's good for me. So if I'm your van suede, then you go rock my way already, man. Like I said, so what made you start saying Versace like that? Like when it I mean, because you you that you you them volumes, boy, that it was straight consistently Versace. I mean, as you can see, it's just more or less like me just being an entertainer and knowing that I was a trendset of people, you know, they caught on the things that I did. You know, like, I mean, even when I was in middle school, you know, I used to walk around with a talent. I always just wanted to stick out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like now it's cool to be like each other. Me when we back then we was wanting to be different. You know, like you want to stick out. You want you want to be like, you know, like the next person. So people didn't like tease you back then when, you know, I mean, maybe they did. Yeah, they did, but it didn't bother you. No, because OK, I knew I was funny looking as a kid. But my dad had told me I was pretty boy, Floyd, when I was two or three years old. That's it. It stuck to my head. You couldn't even tell me I was ugly. It wasn't going. But now we didn't have no connection. But when he did, he, you know, he called me pretty boy, Floyd. Every letter he wrote, hey, pretty boy, Floyd and it's like, you know, shit, I'm pretty. You know, my dad called me pretty. You know, I'm saying, you know, and it was just something that stuck with me to where I like, you know, I had confidence at an early age. People call it cocky. You know, I know my aura will intimidate a weak person. Now, I know when I come in the room, I treat myself like I'm something. I know I like because I know I am. You know, and I knew that at an early age. And it's like, you know, if you ain't a person who got that kind of and just like if you got a little girl and you get and she pretty everybody, every time she pretty, pretty, pretty and everybody pick up, you keep them in pictures, you know, like that's going to give her that confidence. That's going to be a lot of confidence. So it's like I was good at everything. I played court. I would chubby and everything, but I'm the quarterback. Oh, you played football. I played all the sports. I'm playing no games. We boxing, we swimming. We whatever. But I was good at everything. So with that being said, that was already. Confidence, you know, I can read. I knew how to win the teacher wants to ask the kid to read. I can put the words together better. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm helping the other kid. He's stumbling comprehension. You know, you just it was more or less like, you know, shoot, I wasn't even that confidence was busting loose at early. I didn't know it until as I got older. Like, you know, dang, I had this for a while. You know, I've been this this kind of way for a while because people follow me at a young age, you know, people, you know, like me when I did things I was like, you know, so it was like I knew how to get attention and handle it at the same time. Do you have any kids? I got a little girl. She's 10. She's 10. Is she like you? She I'm I'm building that confidence because she a Leo. So she wants her birthday. Oh, here we go. July 30th. That's my brother's birthday. Yeah. So she she's really Oh, OK. I'm a Virgo, you know, but I'm a double side. But yeah, yeah. So I know she got that line in the center. So yeah, yeah, she yeah, yeah, she a natural. Does she rap? She can do it all. She can do it all. I bet she's a daddy's girl. Not I mean, she know she got me wrapped around her hand. She I mean, she know mine to mine to ain't got no competition. It's just her. Oh, yeah. That's what's up. You know, so it's like that's crazy. Yeah, just the only daughter you got. I'm the kid you got. Yeah, yeah. Him and Puga, Leroy got the same thing going on. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's my little homie. I know it, but he got he just got a daughter. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, because I was always, you know, music was my girlfriend. So, you know, I never gave a honey a chance like that to even like no female ain't even gave me that kind of feeling music game. Wow. So I never would get. I wouldn't. But you can tell a chance. No, I wouldn't. But I'm good as gold. I ain't got no my resume cool stainless in the streets with any little freak. Yeah. But, you know, I never that one. It wasn't even none that I ever thought about even doing. Well, the times when when when I would definitely like like I look back at times on things that happen in the music in your career when Birdman came down here that time. Right. I remember that. And I'm going to be honest with you. I was excited about it. But I really wasn't even like when you came back, I was more excited about your music, more that came back with it after that, like the way you dealt with that, you know what I'm saying? For as at first, I was like, it's just a situation because I heard him at the radio station talking. I, you know, everybody heard everything. Then when it didn't happen, I was like, he said this dude said one thing, but it didn't happen that way. Because a lot of time people just be talking. I done dealt with stuff like that. Well, I done been out of town talking to them. You've seen Steve Madden. You, you, you talk to a lot of men boost it. You know, like you talk and just, you know that it ain't to me. It ain't, it ain't authentic. It ain't really, we just talking, nigga. And that's it. And so when I seen when you came back, I'm already had money. Man, I love that song. So I still listen to that song even before we started to view you because it's just something of resilience when I think about that, bro. No, I mean, he wasn't, you know, in his conversation, let me know it wasn't nothing, but I wasn't easily impressed by nothing at that time. But I mean, I never really been easily impressed because I got it. I got it good. Yeah, you were already doing your thing. You know, so it's like, nigga, I mean, what? Yeah, yeah. What's happening? Yeah. What you gonna do? You know, and once we got face to face and, you know, he let me know. I'm like, I ain't tripping that you shooting shit, but I'm the wrong one to shoot the shit on. But I tell you what, we ain't gonna say nothing about it. You shot the shit. I'm a goddamn, he make it like it's legit. And I'm gonna eat off of it and he respected it because by the time we did get together, somebody had pulled his coat tail and we're like, now you don't do that with him already. Now he ain't now one of them little niggas. Now you can't look home in him. No, at all. You know, and I didn't say nothing. That was my city ran out with it. That ought to show them like, no, nigga. He ain't said nothing. That's just the people talking about he sign and congratulating because the city was more on some finally, man. I got damn me home. We finna get it shot and always finna turn up. So it wasn't me. It was him and the motherfucking people. I just like the way you twisted and turned it with that song. But that was smooth. But that's how you do it. I already expect none less. It wasn't it was cool. I wasn't tripping. I mean, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, you know, they go out to feel me. I'm they go out to feel it regardless. Because as long as I'm alive and willing out of jail, I'm gonna give him hell. So it's like, it's cool. You know, if it didn't happen now, we go, we'll, we'll, you know, I'm gonna stay outside. We go bump into each other again. That's the way it be. Like even on us, you know how I am with guests be like, because they don't know me. Nobody don't know me like that. Like a lot of cats and they be like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna come and then some niggas won't. I've done things like people hugging people. I say, you know, whatever nigga, that nigga hug on his Instagram, I'm gonna bring him on the show. If I had to pay that nigga, I'm gonna bring him on the show. You're right. When a nigga hustler like nigga, I got it. I'm not one of those niggas that ain't got it. I got it. I just decided to do something, nigga. But at the end of the day, I still show respect to him. And I say, you know what? One day we'll meet again. You know what I'm saying? Nah. I like to hustle, man. Nah, thanks. I mean, that's the only way I got our hustle for it. No, I didn't give me no. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so see you a hustler, so you respect, I understand a lot of these people in position ain't hustlers. Exactly. So they don't get a nigga like me. No, not at all. So when I'm coming with my vibe and my energy, it's a little bit too much for them because they ain't no hustlers. It was given to them now in the way that it was given to them. You know, and everything is a hustle. You know, now that my home is a hustle, but... Every time. My hustle made me a different kind of character. You know, it forced me to have to be a certain kind of way. Yeah. You know, and if a person not a hustler, they won't understand that. And everything people don't understand, they don't like... 100%. Man, that's good stuff. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people get intimidated real easy, too. And they scared you're gonna take their place. No, they didn't understand me back then. You know, they were like, man, how he from where is that? Like, I didn't know how much. Like, nah, that would play the big part, man. That nigga from where is that? Man, we ain't finna let that nigga god damn me be the face of the city. Nah, we ain't finna let him be the face. Look at him. Look, he got all this. We can't let him do nothing like that. So it was more like, we'll let the road. We'll let DSR. We'll let Check Out Maline. We'll let Ricky Bobby. We'll let all them. But we can't let that big chief cat cause he got the streets. And you gotta understand back then, we was the boogie era. So I'm fouted for being a little bit ahead of my time. And that doesn't happen to a lot of lids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And I'm one of those who just had to be caught up in the twist of it. But what's good about me is that I started at an early age and not for age, like fine wine and it came back round on me. Poor circle. Like by default because, you know, them youngsters is the one who, you know, kind of took the torch and took it from the boogie movement to now, you know, made rest in peace. But his death brought us onto some street shit. Yeah, yeah. Now the world looking down is for worth as a street city and at the end of the day in hip hop, you gotta be certified by the streets before you can ever eat. No, already. That's true. We weren't never certified. Yellow, now little homie dev certified us, even though, you know, however it came about, it gave us the stripes in the industry, entertainment for us, you know, now they for real. Yeah. That was for worth for real. Everybody been known that we for real, but the face is all been friendlier. You know, it's been more boogie music, you know? No, it ain't never been no raw person. You know, now it's a raw person, but the cold boy about it, he the face, he ain't even heard a talk about it no more. So, yeah. But ain't that how it happened sometimes? Like never seen, look how much love they showed him afterwards. No, but LA already certified. They used to that, yeah. No, we talking about Dallas for a word. Dallas for a word. We wasn't embraced to the world as that city like now them boys, nah, they didn't care, they just looked at us. They didn't respect the audiences or the grind her. Now they respect it. And it is crazy that it took some hands to shit to go down for them to be like, they real down there. Yeah, they got some real live street shit going down there. Not saying that the streets is what is, it just gotta be, it gotta be stamped. Yeah, yeah. Before any city can jump. Yeah, yeah. No, if the streets don't cold, if you ain't got the street resume, the culture of the streets ain't talk, show to the world. Nobody in the world go look at you just as they look at you. So do you feel like with this, with that being said, it's a, it's a, it's a spot where we can basically, now you'll start seeing artists develop faster and more. We at the table. Yeah. Now they picking, boy, you better not get hot down here. They go come and get you quick. They gotta get you. Oh, they go try to come get you. Because now we got the attention. We got local, we got championship. Y'all understand, in 0607, 08, 9, 10, 11, 12, I didn't have no pro football. Cowboys was siren. The Mavericks was siren. We just had, we just had, what we just had with this yesterday with a, what's his name? Joc Taylor. Joc Taylor was here yesterday, you know Joc? No, but I didn't have no other, I didn't have no other live young urban, you know, they was, they were dancing their ass off. Yeah. There was no other cat living up being the fate, looking like a rapper, looking like an entertainer from like how the Memphis, how Ross Nim looked, like now, so it's like, we just, you know, we were just a little bit behind, but now we at the table. We at the table. We at the table now. And you know, it's gonna be a whole lot easier for those who take it serious. Yeah. It's gonna be a whole lot easier. To make some music. Oh, cause everybody looking at us. We talking about taking it serious, who do you see now upcoming that you see them as taking it serious that you see that they can go? I mean, being in a business as long as you have, I know you can see. I'm a hard, I'm a hard critic. I know that. Yeah, I'm a hard critic. No, but that's good. So whoever you say, I'm gonna take it as that. I mean, so I got, I got some, I got some cats that I deal with. I got a couple cats that I'm doing some projects with, you know, but at the end of the day, we got, I don't speak, the work gotta speak for itself. If you gotta ask me, then. Bro, you talking about some, I just had a guy to get in my DM say, I wanna be on that show. I'm one of the best artists is I'm like, if you the best artist, you mean I tell you ain't gotta tell nobody, you the best artist, the city gonna, somebody gonna tell me you the best artist. And that's my way of how I, and I, maybe it may be a little cruel to catch when I say that, like, but you know the, your work go tell me about you. You know, if I didn't heard about you, if I gotta ask about you, then I don't know about you. That's real. That's real. So growing up, who was the person when you first start rapping that told you, you gonna go, that they saw that potential in you? I'm a grandmother. Was your grandmother. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. Grandma gonna tell you too. Girl, I love grandmas, boy. They gonna tell you, they down with you, but they'll tell you the truth too. My grandma was hard on me, man. She made me go back in that bathtub a few times. I'm gonna tell you what's crazy. She didn't play with me. I'm gonna tell you, the day before my grandmother died, cause she died ironically, cause she was just going for a regular, little routine chicken. You know, she was like, she called me. I was like, you cool grand, she was like, yeah, I'm good, I was just thinking about you. I was just wanting to tell you, you go make it, baby. You just keep on with your whole making. And you know, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Grantee was the first one, you know, who, who let me know. In my, and it was ironic cause my cousin, she died from an angiorealism too. And I had just gave up one of my first CDs and I was still at high school. Wow. And she was like, you keep all the cut and I'm, and she died ironically. But you know, they, they gave me that. Yeah, they let me know that. So it ain't nothing really to deter me. No, no, as you can see, I'm still knee deep in it. That's what's up. It ain't about the money. It sure ain't about the money. Cause I'm gonna be under, which I seen the grind, man. It's dude. I see it. Clout was like, man, we couldn't keep up with him. We couldn't, we couldn't produce fast enough. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, that dude had his own thing going, man. He's like, we'll try to do something, but I couldn't. But it wasn't fair to him, that's what he told me. C was my guy, like he, before I was, I mean, cause I was rapping before C. Yeah, I know. And then, you know, we got together. C turned me on to my car, man. Jamie, it was a step brother. So core, yeah, we were the first, he was like, bro, man, you getting all this money, chief, man. You got to get your ride, bro. You got to start getting your fly ride. I got to be like, man, I'm gonna get some ride. I just got cash, man. Like, you know, I was like, man, I got somebody, you don't have to worry about it. You just pay your money, you don't gotta sign nothing. Cause you know, I'm getting money, but I'm young. I don't know how to spend. That's it. That's it. You know, I'm like, okay. I been there. You know, my mama, we projects. She ain't got no job. So I can't put, can't keep putting everything in her bag. So, you know, he gave him a car, man. And we introducing me and Jamie. We turned the city upside down. Man. I've never seen shit like it. No, no. I was only, I was asking him a lot of questions. The first, we did two interview, we had to recant one, but because Bishop died, you know, but the thing I asked him in that first, and I'll never forget, I said, how do you feel about Leo and being a white guy and culture vulture and all that? He answered it good too. He a boy from, he come from a cold cliff and that was his background and he was like, I'm just going, I'm doing what I love, you know, and been genuine since so many jewels through here. Since he came through here, this whole thing, I say a lot of it is because he called me just a while ago. He just gonna call me, can you do the AT&T guy? Can you do it? I'm like, yeah, cause I'm an engineer. I can do, yeah. Send them on through. I'm gonna talk that talk. I'm gonna, I'm gonna turn up a different way, you know, because that's what we do. We deal with, you know, if you this way when I see you, I'm gonna blend in, you know? And so, and plus I came from the streets, but I just evolved. People don't. If we don't evolve, then something wrong. Yeah. If they stay there asking me to be the chief from 0607 then I don't need to be talking to you, Plale. Already. Nah, I can't be that cat. No. Quit asking about him. Yeah, he gone. Been gone. And ain't nothing you can do about it either cause you can't get him back. No. I know cause I'm looking back at mine, ain't coming back. Nah, I can't even be that young new. No. So I wouldn't even try. So it's like those who stuck there, we leave them stuck there cause if you ain't evolved with, anybody that's evolved, they gonna love the person that I am. Already. That's it. Yeah. Like I said, with all those, man, it's a lot of e-greedies, man. It's a lot of volumes out there. And it's a lot of work, just work, man. And, you know, I do this, when I first started doing shit, for years I did it just so my kids, if something ever happened, they would have a place they could go and check me out. I would always do certain things because of that. Cause I know. And so I believe in that. You know what I mean? So my partner, the one who got the place in LA, I was like, look, man, he older cat. I'm like, you gotta do something. Your son young, man. If something happened to you, you gotta have some visual, something he can go and look at you. He can draw from that. A lot of people don't think like that, chief. Right. A lot of them, they're too busy selfish. They're not thinking about the next generation. And we gotta think on that level. Big old facts. Yeah. A lot of people don't. Nah. I mean, you know, hopefully eventually they will. Yeah. Cause they didn't have this technology, man. You know, I lost my mom and she was 44 years old. I was 24 and don't have nothing but a few pictures. You know what I mean? But we have an advantage. Now that we don't have to leave them like that. Exactly. Now me and my, me and my dad. Oh, so I got a little girl, but I'm the only child on my daddy's side. Correct. Now I'm the only grand kid. Wow. It just six of us. So they gonna have something for you though. See, that's the. But at least I don't got no cousins or nothing. You don't have nobody. Just here. No, it's just in me and my daddy. My daddy's daddy from Mississippi. Wow. So I ain't never seen him. He ain't never seen it. So me and him, it's just like, he just shot me out and it just really just me and him on that one. Yeah. You know, like, but we ain't, and I come to grips with a lot of that shit. That's why, you know, I guess, you know, I'm okay with what I know I've been doing for mine. Oh, you did good. You know, so it's like, I know she, you know, she looking at me. She gonna always see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause this stuff ain't going nowhere and I know that. Nah, nah. So that's what I think people be sleeping on. What you got for her? She wait and she braced up right there. Knowing the things you know right now from the business side, the music side, all of that. If he could go back and tell you your 15 year old self, one thing, just to make himself better at an earlier age, what would it be? Don't talk too quick. So I talk bullshit at a rapid pace and back then music was personal to me. Fuck business. It's personal. It's my life. I'm eating sleep, breathing this. So, you know, I didn't, I didn't, I, I, I, I, it ain't nothing no girl, nobody could do. Like music would, music would stress me out. No, music would stress me out. You know what I'm saying? It makes you happy too. Like I would get emotional about music. I'm emotionally detached from everything else. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't eat, I'm cool. But when that music got involved, man, I would throw it away. Type shit. You know what I'm saying? In a, you know, I would, I would let people know that I knew that they were full of it off the top when this is the entertainment game. It's not the real game. And I always thought people should be real with me cause I was keeping it real. You still keeping it real. But I had to kind of, that's what, it took me a while to get over that. Like to be able to get past like, man, this ain't about how real you are. Man, people gonna only deal with you for what they, what you can bring to the table. Because I went from people not having nothing to say for me or fuck with me to work when they got on me and ready to, oh, everybody named mama was willing to do whatever I say. So it was like, you know, I just, and on the musical side, like I would just let them know that they, I would talk a deal. I like, you couldn't be doing no whole shit. Like, even though it probably would be a unseen, unrooted, unrooted rule. Like, gee, you don't have to talk on that. Now you took my money, nigga, play me. Real talk. But, but that's the, that was just, you know, that was just, I come from the streets, it's blood on that money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they thinking, you know, now I'm not the every junkhead that I'ma just, no. I can tell you. And you've grown from that. Well, I was the same way. Like when I first was selling clothes or 15 years ago, when me and Pow Wilde did that deal on, and we met at Expensive Taste, that was his brand. And I, we was, I bought my clothes from him and it was a good amount of clothes. We spent three to five grand with him. But then six months later, we go back to Vegas and he, I'm not doing it no more. I said, bro, you can't, you can't do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, once you do something or you come out with a brand, but in the industry it's different, bro. They move different. Like you can do that in the industry. That's what they do. I decided I'm not selling it no more. I'm over here with the famous group. But Crystal told me, that's his wife. He right. You know what I mean? Like, I'm really telling them like that's, in the streets you couldn't, you couldn't do that. You see what I'm saying? It's a different code, man. Yeah, now this the entertainment game. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I realized. Now, simply, you know, so I know how to deal with the fake love. It's nothing authentic. Real talk. It's nothing authentic. Only thing authentic is when the people that fuck with you, your fans. Your fans. All the big, nah, it ain't authentic. Nah, that's why they make you sign contracts. No, that's true. Because it ain't authentic. It ain't just a contract. It's, you know, I'm a dude for you. With you, for me. How did you and Jim Jones link up? And I know Jim Jones. You see him on the wall. Me and my wife, we talked to him a lot. Yeah, that was through my guy, James McMillan. I had an entertainment lawyer who I was dealing with back then. He from New York. Okay. He one of the main guys right now. Okay. Yeah, he got YB Cardi. He got all the YB Indian cats. Okay. He got them signed to him. It was through him. So I was like, you know, I did the swag joint. I already had it. And I was like, man, you know, I like that boy. He be on that. You know, he fly, you know. So I was like, man, he was like, you know, I can get Jim on there. And this when he just had came out with the ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, shit, make it happen. So, you know. I like Jim, man. Jim is up. Shout out to Jim Jones. June Bull. My partner's up there in New York. I rock with some cats. Nah, he brought up, like, come on, man. D-Boy, that was New York and Dallas. Yeah. Nobody ain't done that. I tried to make it happen to somebody. And you know who you is. You bagged down on me. I had Jada Kiss and all of them in the chute. I know people, man. I don't know people from music. I know people from business. So it's a totally different ball game for me. But I can make a phone call and say, let's do this. And they gonna be like, yeah, I rock with you. Cause I've been supporting their clothing brand for 10 years, eight years. T.I. I've been selling the coup ever since 08. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, you gonna see them a hundred times on the wall with me because, hell, I've been spending a lot of money, man. So it's just the same, it's just it flipped on me. I used to be in the streets, now I'm pushing this cotton, man. You know what I'm saying? That's the way I'm putting that pressure on them. Yeah, I know how to swap it up, man. People don't, man. People don't know how to swap it up, you know? I definitely just appreciate you, man. Is this, I'm gonna let you go to the top three. I got one more question. Okay. All right. How do you feel about the evolution of the music industry coming from tapes to CDs, and now everything's on streaming? Yeah, streaming. How do you feel and how easy was it for you to adjust to all of those changes? That's a good question. Oh, it ain't, it ain't been. I'm still adjusting, man. As you can see, I haven't been, I've been, you know, growing, I've been growing for the last four and a half years because, you know, I counter lost the know-how to make money out for my music. I haven't transitioned to the social media world yet because I'm too busy living in the real world. I like it. You know, I've been living off of my government name, everybody living off their user name. So, you know, I had been living out big, my eighties name for a long time before everybody else, they just called up. You know, I've been big chief. So it was like I had to put up big chief or big chief after he graduated. He went, he, Kayung got put up and I've been living as big chief since I graduated and that was, you know, a long period of time. And that's so crazy that you said that because whenever- I know your question next. Yeah, okay, okay. She asked me this. I said, I don't know. Because when I'm researching and doing research on anybody who's sitting here, artists and so forth, I can find the first thing pop up is their government name and, you know, their date of birth and all of that. And I'm searching you and I'm like, all I'm seeing is Don Chief, big chief Lucas. I'm like, okay, so what is his real name? I'm like, how old is he? I'm searching, searching, searching. I'm like, I can't find all of this information. But on anybody else, it's like, I can find like that easy. I mean, he ain't been rocking with it like that. Hold on, how? I mean, what you mean? How can I not find all of this information on you like super easy? I mean, I'm not, I mean, I'm not, I mean, I live in the real world. Now I live outside, not on the phone. So at the end of the day, I don't, I mean, I want you to see what I need you, what I want you to see. What you want me to see. You know, if you know my government name and no, you, you'll call me by my government name, you know, it's like, it's some people, you know, they don't know chief, you dig, but at the end of the day. That's what's up. I see where you come from too. That's real, you know, cause it's just keeping everything where it's supposed to be. And I, and I still ain't adjusted. I'm just now. Like, okay, I think I got it. I got it. That's the reason I became active in November. Because I mean, I am who I am. I, you know, I told, that's what I told Mr. Pookie the other day. I said, you know what? Can't nobody stop you, but you, you got a big name. If you want to go social media and go big, then you can go big as you want to go. It's free. So if you want to take it there, you can say, hey, I'm Mr. Pookie. Everybody can't do that. Everybody can't say they, hey, I'm done chief. You, and there's money. That's accumulated funds behind that. Now it's just, you got to know how to articulate it. You got to know how to get to it. But when you say, so, you know, everybody name ain't heavy. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, you have a name, but your name can only waste so much. So much. Then what you going to do? You got to be creative. You got to be artistic. If you ain't creative, you, I mean, if you ain't, you got to have it. You get a team of people or a person around you who can help you do that. So you can utilize your name and to make money off of your name because everybody, the best jewel you have is knowing who you are and what you're capable of, but still knowing what you need. And if you know that you're not capable of what you need to do to make money, you surround yourself with the people that you can trust, first of all, because that's the main thing, having people that you can trust because not everybody you can trust. Have that person around you to help you get what you need because you're not that person. You know what I mean? So you can always achieve it. Just like you say, you're now getting up to date with social media and all of that. I love where I'm not up to date with everything. My kids can do it that easy. But what I love about social media is how transparent everybody has become. Meaning like, I don't have to personally know you, but then I can feel like I know you through social media because you open up certain doors. You don't have to tell your whole business, but you let people in on certain things about your life. I mean, you know, your home or in your car, just what you're thinking. And they feel like, man, I feel like he cool. Right, right, right. Not just because back in the days, it was like, ooh, I like Slim Thug. But then when I meet him and he stands off his shortness or he's that, then I'm like, oh, I don't like him. Because you're in love with the persona of him till you actually meet him in person and you're like, oh no. But I think she made him at a bad time. So you gotta understand what I'm saying. So you just strictly speaking from an entertainment side. Man, you gotta understand, you got some people who, you got six, nine, probably like how he is. But if you catch him offside of that camber, he probably talk like a little misskin and all kind of stuff. So it's like, sometimes people give you just what they want. Right. So, you know, you might fall in love with the persona and the real deal Holyfield may not be the totally opposite of the persona. So it's like, you gotta, the person gotta know how they're using that site. You know what I mean? So with me, it's strictly for business. It'll never be personal. I've seen you at a car show and you, I don't know if that was your mama. It was like eight people with you. This is an old nine, old nine. This was, and you walk through, it was a bunch of people there, everybody were there. You know how they be at the car show. And I said, man, it's just the way you carry yourself. You know, I'll check. I was like, man, that dude makes some good music, man. You know, I knew then you were special. You know, far as the music go, entertainment go, you could sit in any crowd and see a lot of people don't know how to enter that room. Don't know how to stand on that stage. You know, but I know that I got money on big chief with big chief or done chief. Whoever's standing in there, I know you're gonna be able to hold your own for Texas. I'm being real. I look at all that, bro. Even back then, I'm like, oh yeah. Cause I have to stand in those places. You know what I mean? And it's like my partner, my little underboss, he'd be like, man, I ain't never seen nobody handle him like you be handling them, man. You know, on business, you know, like I talk that talk when it comes down to what I do. Like you, you, you're artists. And so when I say that, when I say you can accumulate funds, I look at people like plies and all these people, man. They do what they do because of who they are. See you special. It's something in you that if you say something, if you decide I want to do this and be artistic about it, it's gonna go. Because it's who you are. And people know from listening to all those volumes and doing it, we already know. It's just okay whenever you ready, we ready. That's the way I feel about it. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no. I'm a rockwish. No, it's perfect timing. I seen that morning you put out yesterday that gangsta group, gangsta group. Yeah, that's nice, babe. I like that one. That one just come out. I like them kids on that too. I say kids, I'm old, man. No, they, they kids, they younger than mine there for you. Yeah. But they trying to get to it. Yeah, they moving. So at the end of the day, I'm cool with, you know, what I look at myself, I'm just a belson. I'm the bridge, you know? And it's a toll for you to fuck with me, but I'm the bridge though, you know? And I know I'm the only one that can connect it. There ain't no pookie, no loochie, no tum, no tug, no none of them, cause they not me. Yeah, yeah. That's what you gotta know there. No, no, they not me. So, you know, and I know to the streets what I am to the streets, like just as a person, you know, from the entertainment side to the, to the, to the mud side. Yeah. Like I know, I check out and I know how, you know, my resume stainless, you know? I ain't perfect, but I'm the perfect me. That's it. And self-awareness is everything, ain't it? Big ol' face. No, a big ol' face. It's everything. I know it's, I gotta do it. And if it don't be done, it'll never be done. And, you know, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna bridge the gap. Yeah, yeah. Well, if it's anything I can do on this platform, let me know. If it's somebody that you, you know, rocking with, you want to push them through, let me know. Big ol' face. I got a couple projects anyway that I want to bring, catch that little JJ through, you know? I want, you know, because I got, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel me where I'm coming from? I'm a big face. So when we push them through, cause we growing numbers every day, and it's gonna go, but cause I'm gonna be consistent and I'm gonna put out good. Go look at, you see some of the visuals I put out? I don't be on the phone. I know it, but I didn't even send him none either. You know, at least he might've hit the button. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you gotta send me some. I'ma send you some. I mean, cause I ain't gonna search for it. You ain't gonna search for it. So if he sending you, you gonna watch it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'ma send it. You can just see it, the visuals are nice, man. And we trying to make it to where, when you bring it out of project, you want to, you know, the masses to see it, it's gonna float and go through where you want it to go. You know what I mean? Cause we trying to make sure we get the right people on the right places. And, you know, like I say, like guys like you making it happen. Who else? Like I said, that guy, Jack Taylor, he Dallas Cowboys from 97 Journalism. And who else? Who else still? Oh, just Shannon Briggs. People who are gonna put them eyes on here. See, when they put them eyes on here, then hey man, you know, then people can be seen and people can say, you know what? This platform is where you want to be. So check it out, man. Big Cheap. Why didn't you know you're top three? That's what I'm for to do. Okay, go ahead. You see how you did me? She jerked me back. Top three artists all the time, man. Dead or live. Pop. Any genre, right? Pop. Pop. That's one. Number one, you know, I like pop too. That's why I'm on the big one. Yeah, I like Teddy Pete too. It's something that you, I bet you I know something you don't know. I ain't never had one of it, but I'm an old man. I'm an old cat brother. I mean, because I like that nigga, buddy. Yeah, Teddy Pete was so player. Like when you got the Hunnies Hollies, when you got all the cats saying they hate you, you know, it's something about you. Wow, that's heavy. I like it. No, when you got all the dudes, aw man, I don't like that nigga. I don't like that nigga. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and, you know, so I bought into Teddy Pete with this doc, you know. He did his thing. You know, Pop, Teddy, you know. Who's that last one? Number three. I mean, Pop, Pym gone. So he got, you know, he got him in there. That's my guy right there, baby, baby, baby, baby. That's all I need right there. That's right. Man, I try to tell these cats he listening. He got an earl. Now know why you turning your face up like that? He got an earl. I mean, and it ain't even about what, I mean, Pym educated. I ain't going to ever say it back. It's more or less Pym gave you the entertainer. His voice, we both got two distinct with voice. You ain't going to never hear nobody say it like us. That's what we were talking about. You know what I mean? So you ain't going to say it in the delivery. You got to understand that I like cockiness. So, you know, when you got a nigga talking shit at the speed, you know, like, that's what I like. So, you know, it wasn't just about, you know, his rap. You know, he ain't, you know, but he told a life. The lifestyle that, you know, people such as myself live. And myself. Yeah. He told a life so I can resonate with him. You know what I'm saying? Like a New York cat probably won't be able to resonate with me. He don't know what you done went through and how you got through it. No, but I know, you know, but no, no. Now Pym threw on. I can promise you that. But Pym was the, you know, he the pinnacle to me because Pym had young, old girls. Everybody. You know, he made all around. You know, he was just, you know, split prison out of it. Like, yeah, but you that's what's his music. He hit every goddamn thing. Everything. That's true. Yeah. No, no, no. He had the self rocking with him. Real talk. No, we didn't. We weren't on Biggie. No, we wouldn't. We would. I was a Tupac fan. I wasn't. You can't be nothing. But as much as Biggie was a descendant from Jamaica. I ain't know that. Oh, yeah. Everybody. I ain't know that. Everybody knows that. Oh, yeah. And mom, I seen the movie. You don't drive. Although that I still was a Tupac fan, of course, because he dropped all he dropped. He dropped some serious notes when he did. And he and he loved his people and he put it out there in that way and he made it to where you had to understand that he was saying it and he meant it from his heart. And that's what you don't get from a lot of people. You you can rap, you know, but when you saying something and you doing it from your heart and then you hear, hey, man, he stopped what he was doing to go over here and check on a kid to send the hospital just off the out the blue, you don't hear nobody doing that, man. You can't don't care about nobody no more. Not like that. You won't hear about that. So you have a Tupac. You have a Teddy P. And then you have M.C. Don't don't act like you forgot. Thank you so much, man, for coming on the show, man. We love you. Won't be the last one. We wish you much success. And like I said, anytime you need to come through here, you say, hey, man, I got somebody I want to send your weight and I know it's certified by you. I got some stuff for you because I got my own shoe coming. I got a week. I just be hush-hush because I don't count. No, I got whatever you need when your life's coming. So when is it coming? We should. I got the markers. I should have my third prayer probably next week. So if there's anything I can help you with on that, let me know. It's going to be something that you want to carry. So I'm going to put it up. No, this is some, you know, high quality. I'm going to have it. And I'm going to find who need it. That's what a hustler do. They got to bring bread. They got to bring bread now. The price, right? Big ol' facts. OK, well, I mean, check this out. But you buy quality. The price is what I pay. So if you want to rock my way, then you ain't trippin'. If you want to goddamn me, rock these vines like this, then shit. You know, you go be in some exclusives, quality, you know, and you go be fuckin' with the done. Oh, really, man? Thank you so much, man. You want me to keep a fan on social media? I don't want to check you up. Done, chief, EGB. That's all me. I do got another page. OK, big chief, but I got, I had got cyberbullet, but I'm back, done, chief, EGB. And that pretty much gets you access to me. Man, I ain't gonna lie when I follow Done. I was like, I need this guy. And he followed me right back. Man, you a real one, dawg. I'm talking about, what, no problem. You like, boom. And then I said, I need you on the show. You like, OK, give me your number, but you didn't ever hit me back. Then I hit Corey. I was like, OK, I got to get done on here. That's the only way to stay and rock, man. I know you get him. I'll be moving and grooving. I won't stop. But like, you know, when I, when certain people put in, it just, I got off energy. Yeah. I simply move off energy. I may look at a message and won't email it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I may look at something and be like, what's happening? You know what I'm saying? Like, I just got off the energy because that's just how I move. You know, I don't, I don't really trip question. I'm just, if the energy, if we connect, then it was meant. Now I thank God for it, bro. Real talk, and I appreciate you for coming on the platform, man. And it wasn't, it wasn't no hard thing. The brother pulled up on us, blessed our game, man. We just coming in January. We started back up and because of the COVID thing kind of slowed everything down. I said, in January, we're going to start. We've been full fledged. God, I've been good to us, man. All the time. And I think, like I said, when you ready to check back in and say, hey, E-man, I got these shoes, I'm ready, man. No, them boys hard. I believe it. Got them boys hard. You know, it's, we go rock out, it's going to be full. You know, when you see them, I'm ain't going to talk about it. I ain't ghosted it enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I already know, if I post, they going to be in the inbox, like, you know, give me them. So it's going down. I got something, but I see you got to set up. I'm going to make a show. Make a show. I got it in here. Say, man, boss talk 101, man. And we out. Satchel.