 What's up everybody? I'm the hook and I'm the blade and welcome to the blade hook podcast the best assassin's creed podcast I'm your host Lawson and with me as always is my co-host Timothy Chalamet. How are you doing today Tim? Hey? I'm pretty good. What did you dream about last night? Um, let's see. What did I dream about? Oh, yes I had a dream that I like shaved my facial hair off because I have a little bit of facial hair Not a little bit. I have a beard and so I had a dream I shaved it off, but shaving it off made me look like like like a different person like I turned in like a different human That's kind of what happens when you shave your facial hair. Yeah, I like my facial features were different I was like I was like Drake Bell all of a sudden. Oh, yeah, I know that's better than my dream I dreamt that I killed a man and got away with it Not even joking so we I would prefer your dream A couple notes at the top of the show for you guys first of all, I have a wicked case of strep throat right now So if you hear any vocal weirdness or coughing or stuff like that, you know, it's just it is what it is also, we want to say that That's a lots of crazy stuff going on in the world right now. We hope everyone's staying safe We are gonna echo the sentiments of our fellow community members here black lives matter Obviously, and we hope that everyone who's listening is safe and healthy We're kicking off this episode with our occurring segment the Valhalla news roundup And we actually have a huge surprise for you guys because joining us for this segment in our first-ever Interview on the podcast is none other than the lead writer of Assassin's Creed Valhalla Lord and savior of the Assassin's Creed franchise Darby McDevitt first off Darby. Thank you so much for joining us Thank you for taking the time to ask us questions. We wanted to ask you Why does Avor have the hidden blade on the outer part of the wrist? It is a deliberate decision when he or she gets a hold of this hidden blade It occurs to Avor that it would be much more interesting to let people see this weapon to be conspicuous about it Vikings were known. That's really interesting. Thank you You've said on Twitter that there's a specific narrative reason behind why Avor can be either male or female And obviously, you know, we don't want you to spoil anything But can you give us like a tiny hint towards what that might be? I feel like Assassin's Creed is kind of almost a the new Doctor Who What would you say attracts you most the time period and setting of Valhalla? Oftentimes people would not be punished for murder There have been rumors that Desmond is not really dead But just trapped in the animus and could make an appearance in Valhalla Would you like to comment on that or tease anything? He is inside the animus Hold on. Are you confirming for the first time on our show that Desmond is alive? He is inside the animus inside of its programming and its architecture. Holy shit Wow, so I know that this game is set in the late 800s a few centuries before Ezio was born But some people have pointed out that the guy we see in the cinematic trailer wearing a hood kind of looks like Ezio We're wrapping up Ezio's story. Oh my god You heard it here first folks Desmond is back and see was back Assassin's Creed is back long live Assassin's Creed Darby man. Thank you so much for joining us very funny about the hook and the blade That's us. Oh, he he left the zoom call Wow Desmond and Ezio, can you believe that Lawson? No, I can't so Our main topic for this episode is the comic book Assassin's Creed conspiracies Right off the bat spoiler warning if you haven't read Assassin's Creed conspiracies don't but if you want to anyway We're gonna talk about everything that happens in it Yeah, I cannot recommend reading this in good faith But if you care about being spoiled about something you haven't read yet I'd go ahead and just give it a very brief Overview honestly if you just read like The wiki article for the main character you will understand the story better than if you read the comic Absolutely, I I concur that's something I was surprised by first time I read the comic I was like I don't really understand what happened in this comic Yeah, I mean I read it again And I was like I understand it a little bit better and then I read it Oh, no, I only read it twice But then I read the wiki pages for some of the characters and stuff in it And I was like now I think I get at least what they were going for Yeah, shout out to the wiki people shout out to the wiki or I guess it's called fandom now Yeah, but they did a great job of condensing all of the elements of the story into an easily digestible article Yeah, it definitely was a saving grace for me for sure because I definitely came away from the comic and I Really didn't know really what had happened We just a lot of the historical elements but not only that but like just character motivations and character Alignments. I'm just gonna go ahead and say this my main complaint with conspiracies is how convoluted it is there are so many little plot switcheroo's and so many like big Exposition dumps in it that it makes reading it the first time without any context Especially if you don't have yeah If you don't have the wiki article on hand, right a lot of it just isn't gonna make intuitive sense Yeah, it seems like a lot of the characters main function is to just tell you plot Yeah, like like like the main bald bad man of the story is essentially just like exposition Man, he's like he's not he's hardly a character. Oh, yeah. No, I mean honestly most of the characters in this are Barely characters. I mean, okay like here for fun describe Julia Like just by personality traits. What would you say woman? It's not a personality trait. You've already failed Come on Ponytail no purse come on personality Where's a hood God three strikes you're out to Yeah, honestly even the same for Eddie, what would you say about Eddie? He has a Daniel Day-Lewis mustache Hey, that's physical. I know I'm just I'm saying I'm saying physical. Well, okay. Anyway, I Didn't I don't play by my own rules sometimes Tim I'm a rule breaker. I'm a loose cannon podcast. Oh, see it's it's funny. You've mentioned Eddie though Just because well, he's the main character fucking He's the goddamn main character. It's not funny. It's interesting that you mentioned the main Anyway He sucks. He's the worst part of the book for me and I like I look your complain is a hundred percent accurate It's very convoluted But Eddie to me is the worst part of this book really if Eddie was better I would have liked it more. Yeah, but the reason why I like it so so little is because Eddie is just a nothing character Eddie does suck because Eddie just does not Have a whole lot of agency in the plot whatsoever like he's not making any decisions He doesn't really undergo an arc like you can say he undergoes an arc if by arc you mean he is Completely passive and characterless for the entirety of the story and then in the very last scene He's in he does a complete 180 change Yeah And I mean Eddie kind of represents the thing with assassin's creeper tagging us though They hate the most is that they just kind of use the assassins as a means to an end they join the assassins because they need to acquire some kind of skill or knowledge to get their own revenge and You know, that was my main issue with Arno as a character and Aliyah most recently in gold they just kind of joined the assassins because it's like well I guess I have to right and and it is kind of at least he has more of a motivation than like Oh, the the assassins offered to pay for my school He his character is definitely just like a vehicle for for other people's motivations like at first He joins the fucking Nazis Because they're like hey you should join the Nazis, you know do some recon for us and then he's like Okay, and that's it and he's in the Nazis for years and makes a really stupid mistake and Gets him gets the whole operation blown and it's it's just and he is like okay Well, I guess I need actual assassin training now because I fucked up so badly Eddie is nothing special or so it seems at the beginning He's basically a former soldier who now runs a shipping company in London And so suddenly when the assassins are seeking him out and they're like hey, we think it would be really cool if you Helped us with our spy mission and infiltrated the SS on our behalf and Dedicated your life to being a double agent for us. It's like well Why is this happening to this guy literally at a certain point when they're about to try and convince Eddie? One of the assassin characters says to the leader. Hey, why don't I just do this and there's this whole bad Exposition about how well the Nazi bad guy we're after can basically smell assassins So if we send someone in who's already part of the brotherhood, he'll figure them out But I don't know how that works at all nor does the comic really But of course it does become a point later on that they're like well Eddie you have this really strong like heritage and lineage of the assassin brotherhood and it's always like Just you know get that get that chosen one shit out of here We don't we don't need it they typically have to do that for modern-day protagonist because yeah If you're going to look into someone's genetic memory There has to be someone in their lineage who is interesting enough to do that But if you're just the guy in the past and you're not originally an assassin You're helping them out with something like why do you have to be that special? Why do you have to be right in this long bloodline of assassins especially when they don't address how you could be in that lineage and Know nothing about it for instance and well and to your point Something like about the whole like chosen one shit, you know It's like oh this this person is is very very very special and unique to the assassins and and it's like the more You do that the less unique they become like like for instance I mean that's you a special for a specific reason, but as you try and build Reason and like justifications for for being this assassin in the historical period They have to become increasingly more important and unique and I think the more they do that the less important and unique they get because Eddie is like a Nothing assassin to compare to the rest literally a mars love interest in gold Happens to be a gifted assassin with deep assassin lineage You know just every character in all of our stories is going to be a chosen one Nobody's a chosen one right and I and you you were saying to me how you really want like and it's like in a well Not how you really want me think it could be interesting that an assassin Protagonist is just like he doesn't have this like famous bloodline or anything He's just kind of a normal or she who's been who's an assassin or she normal dude or do that or neither That could be an assassin and and at this point. I agree with you because I just I Don't think every historical character needs to be like the missing piece to everything You know and Eddie is apparently like he has this very special lineage that he knows nothing about as you mentioned honestly Fascinating Lee enough the only thing that it accomplishes on a storytelling level mechanically to have Eddie be a Chosen one quote-unquote with a rich assassin bloodline in this story is that it justifies a very cheap and flimsy and Unnecessary plot twist which is this idea that all of the Circumstances that they use to get Eddie on their side and to get Eddie into their system doing their work is Because he has this important role to play this is really complicated And I'm gonna try and explain it as best and as concisely as I can but considering the comic couldn't do that I'm not sure I'll do the best job either Eddie is recruited by American assassin spies He is told by them to infiltrate the SS he does so It turns out that okay the assassins and the Templars are working together So where the Templars have power over the Axis the assassins have power over the allies So they're basically playing racquetball with Eddie Because they need him for this thing and all of the story Circumstances that put Eddie in the position That he's in are pretty much designed from the beginning to get him there and Pretty much the first half of the story everything that's happening to him is made up This sounds like it should be a good or interesting twist But it doesn't hold up when you reread it It doesn't make a whole lot of sense the way that characters talk to each other when Eddie's not on the page Isn't consistent for instance with them having a level of knowledge that is deeper than what they're presented as having So at the end of the day, you've made him a chosen one Doing so justifies a flimsy plot twist Well, you just you just wasted all of our time in this story basically because so much of what we're supposed to follow Doesn't matter Yeah, and if the twist doesn't hold up and there's no point of having the twist Like there's no reward for Like if Some of the best twists you can go back and reread and it all makes more sense If with this one as you said it makes less sense somehow I think it's like the the worst twist i've ever seen is in the movie now. You see me I haven't seen that movie. Is resa mad in it? No, it's not Oh, okay Mark ruffalo is though and he plays a bad guy for the whole movie and then at the end he's like surprised I was a good guy the whole time. Oh, is that the magic movie? Yeah Oh, okay. Yeah, they do magic tricks and stuff. They do magic tricks and stuff. Yeah, woody harrelson. Yeah, cool. Okay. Yeah, I haven't seen it You had you're like, oh, yeah, I remember that movie Oh, yeah, never saw Jesse Eisenberg and woody harrelson or they do the magic stuff. Oh, yeah, I haven't seen it. No It's bad a spoiler for now Oh, yeah, dawn. He just pulled that great movie. I've seen that movie like nine times Don't ask why but now they're making a third one and we know they're gonna call it now You see me three because they're unimaginative fucks But I really want them to call it now you three me. We'll see if this makes it into the final episode It might not um So yeah conspiracies, let me just go ahead and say this This is something I wanted to say earlier, but for god. I was gonna say the only conspiracy in this book Is uh when the writer and the artist conspired to make it really fucking bad Yeah, there's But it's funny, but there's not a whole lot of mystery to that. There's not a whole lot of conspiracy going on in this book I will say it is it is nice that um The the whole production is french-based. Yeah, they can't hear us shitting on this Exactly Not that anyone who speaks english listens to this podcast either But they definitely won't they definitely won't also I I am genuinely curious who at titan comics is responsible for the translation of these because This thing is not well translated. There are a bunch of grammatical errors and punctuation errors and Like completely confusing sentences In in this thing. Yeah, there's definitely some translational problems They're also I think what's a part of the translational problems is that eddie gorm's name is repeated Six thousand times. Yeah, and also that he's named eddie gorm. Yeah, that's not very Opposite. It's not a great name for a character You know, but to your point about the convoluted aspect of the book I think a lot of the convolution. Is that a word convoluted? Yeah, it is. I think a lot of that comes from the lack of Historical explanation like sure. I've never needed Uh the comics or the games to like hold my hand through To like the historical context, but they weave the historical elements and the historical figures and the historical events Well enough into the game or the comic You know Assassin's Creed 2 taught me so much about the renaissance, which I didn't know before and this what we read recently the fall You know gave us so much context about the Russian revolution. I disagree It's not even that big of a part of the of the book you're kind of working against a couple of factors like I mean for me, there's definitely an extent to which Different audience members are going to bring different levels of historical Knowledge to the table and I can play a game like Assassin's Creed Odyssey Which is set in ancient Greece and I can meet characters And not be able to tell you one way or the other If they were real people or not for the most part Sometimes they are sometimes they aren't unless it's a name like Hippocrates or Herodotus or Socrates I'm not going to be able to say oh, yeah, this guy really exists And World War two is it's a historical event that probably There's a lot more general awareness of Partially because compared to something like say World War one. It's very clear cut who the good guys and bad guys are Right and and and I would agree with that assessment I just think the the book didn't do a great job of setting the stakes in the state of affairs It just was like that is the year This is the year it takes place in and you know, here you go Here's a bunch of a name Here's a bunch of people who are name dropped then their significance within the story is kind of explained But there's significance to the world is isn't explained. I think that's an issue for me I think I think you are hitting on something with the stakes point because A big part of this book revolves around the idea of who gets to build the atom bomb first Right if you're not familiar with you know, verner heisenberger the manhattan project That might not ring is I mean on one hand it is a clear stake like Yeah, if the bad guy makes the bomb first then that's bad for us, but It is true that the book does not do a great job of establishing What the assassins or Templars want until that reveal in the end with that they're working together because Once you actually do a little deep dive and I know you know this already once you look into What the Templars are actually doing and what they actually want It's not intuitive at all from the book that that's what what's going on Yeah, for sure. And I mean there was some stuff that you actually dug up about Diaglaka. Yeah Like it actually was a thing kind of in real life and it's it's really just kind of like passed off as a Proto animus in this yeah for people who aren't familiar First of all in the comic book the first half of of conspiracies revolves around the idea that instead of focusing on developing an atom bomb the Germans instead Created a cover story Of the atom bomb under which they developed a super weapon or wunderwaffe called Diaglaka and There is a real life conspiracy theory or really more of a hoax That there was a german super weapon called Diaglaka called such because that's german for the bell And it's a bell shaped super weapon Yeah, it's shaped like a bell and they do take that inspiration and use it in the comic in kind of an interesting way But when you find out that this German super weapon is essentially a proto animus. It's like What is really the value of this to? Germany or to the Templars, I mean, yeah Their whole deal is they always want to find pieces of Eden and just like any other animus in any other time This is going to help them Find pieces of Eden But it's not like there's say a particular piece of Eden that would help them turn tide of the war Or anything more specific Other than boy, wouldn't it be great if we found more pieces of Eden? Let's build a chair that helps us find them Right and it also kind of dig it also kind of makes us kind of a wrinkle where if If Boris was aware this proto animus Boris by the way being the leader of the assassins In the book who recruits Eddie sorry go on right the the gary old man looking man If he was aware of this proto animus, right like because he had to have been and he was So how did he let something so powerful like Stay within the Templars over time until we get the actual animus, you know Well, that's one of the fun delightful complete inconsistencies of the book No, yeah, and I mean It's just I just I just I hate so much that like I don't know Boris's plan just kind of this really sucks to it Yeah, he really doesn't keep Eddie. He doesn't keep Eddie on a short leash I don't think he doesn't keep him on a short enough leash if he's really trying to use utilize Eddie in this way and I just Like for instance that scene when Boris is opening up the like the hidden Assassin layer and shows everyone. It's like I was like, yes dope. Yeah, that was when we see none of it And we see none of it because the creed doesn't matter Like that's the thing and I hate Assassin's Creed stories that are absent of the creed and this is one of them It's so absent of it and it's absent of it to the point where Eddie doesn't like Give a fuck. He gives a fuck before he kills himself all of a sudden. That's it He doesn't even meant like he just joins the conflict to get revenge. He doesn't he doesn't Want any anything more than that. It's very surface level. Yeah, I think kind of what you're what you're getting at is that like This is one of many modern Assassin's Creed stories that Doesn't share the same priorities as early Assassin's Creed stories of really delving into those ideological conflicts and the aesthetics of the Assassin Templar world And that is frustrating I like that we got a little taste of it Because it is cool to see what those things and those traditions what they look like in different time periods So seeing like this is what a group of assassins look like in World War two London is cool But like you said, they don't push it far enough They don't take advantage of it and do something cool with it at all right and yeah, I mean and that's the thing is I think you're completely right and that assessment of like what my problem is with it I mean just going back to wait just going back to what we read recently the the the fall on the chain I mean that dealt so well with like what the creed was and the Templars and what they wanted and Eddie is an assassin because He was made one. He didn't seek it out. He didn't need it He didn't want it. Well, he wanted it, but he wanted it for more selfish reasons and He didn't do anything to impact the creed or at all For good or worse. He just kind of was there. He existed He shot tesla, which I don't And let's go ahead and explain again for anyone who's uh, who hasn't read one of the fun plot points of this is that Nikola tesla didn't die when he was reported to have died historically That was the Templars faking his death and then they basically kept him Imprisoned as a as a you know state scientist to work on this project to work on the deglob And then the assassins were like, all right yank. We're going to use you now to do the same thing again Right, which is part of how the assassins and Templars are kind of supposed to be supposedly working together But again, there's only so much of that we can really understand when all we get that's really Telling that story of hey the assassins and Templars are working together on this is a character saying Yeah, the assassins and Templars are working together. Like we don't really see what that process is We don't really see those characters working together at all. You're so right about that and and that's the thing is The stakes are so are so are set up in such a piss-poor way That's like, okay, the assassin Templars are working together. Sorry together because It's because they are yeah, that should mean so much more than it actually does Yeah, I mean there was a whole game that that talked about that very idea and it's called Assassin's Creed Unity and it also has problem. Yeah It also has issues. Yeah I think one thing that that kind of is is the source of a lot of my issues with this book in particular In any Assassin's Creed story, there are various levels of conflict, right? So you can go up to the macro scale and you'll see that assassins and Templars Being these ancient shadowy organizations that they're manipulating various players A level below that you have the actual historical factions that really existed typically And they'll have some relationship to the assassins and Templars whether that's Being supported by them controlled by them or pit against each other by them And then you'll have on the micro scale. You'll have the actual characters. What are their tactics? What are their motivations and goals in this context? And that's really where you have to live where an Assassin's Creed story has to live in the context of the bigger levels But using them to tell a personal story for a character You know, that's what makes the great Assassin's Creed stories work so well And that's something I thought about a lot while reading this because While In essence some of those pieces are there No, the comic doesn't give you a great understanding of the fact that for instance The Templars pit all of the players in World War two against each other from the get-go to get more power But then Hitler Went from being their puppet to being an out-of-control madman and suddenly the Templars want to stop him And that's why if you have assassins working with the allies and Templars initially working with the Axis They can eventually kind of come together against Hitler, which Is interesting. That's an interesting context for an Assassin's Creed story But it's not a context that this comic is interested in litigating at all Yeah, it's it's priorities are all out of whack and we're definitely not getting a fascinating personal story for Addie who like I said earlier on Has less of an arc and more of like a falling off a cliff at the very end You can't say that he doesn't end up differently where he starts But that's just because of a big just contrived plot device And I think probably the biggest sin outside of the convolution and outside of The confusion of all of it is that it's just kind of boring I mean, there's not the pacing is so broken in this story that there's really nothing moment to moment lending it any reward or any satisfaction or any reason to keep reading even Compared to something like ac gold. I could at least listen to that and not feel bored out of my skull This I'm reading and it's like I want to give myself paper cuts with the comic book pages Just so I can feel something the the intro of the book Has has sees Eddie going doing this awesome infiltration And yet that's the only assassin stuff that we get to see him do Because the rest of the time he's being saved by Julia or getting her shot Also, the the rope launcher makes an appearance in that scene, which is pretty cool um But yeah, it's just That's another thing is eddy when he is an assassin He is for a couple pages and then he gets stuck into the proto animus and then after that He's just as a as a madman and he kills himself even when he's infiltrating the ss on behalf of the assassins he goes from Literally being like a dock worker who just helps out one of their guys in A very low level pretty meaningless operation and then pretty much a page later. It's like, okay. It's been three years Eddie has gone full nazi They have somehow allowed him to rise in their ranks despite the fact that he is a Former member of like the royal navy whose whole family was killed by nazis and then You have the bad guy being like, you know, uh Hammerstein, what's his name says you're his best man his best guy And it's like show don't tell is really all I can say to that show us why he's Worthy to you show us why he's skilled or talented or capable of anything Rather than just having a bunch of scenes where he talks to people where they're like wow eddy, you're so cool You're so fucking good at this. Yeah eddy. Yeah, and it's like And and they try and show you how he's such a cool assassin by killing a couple guards and it's just like That's all we see otherwise. He fucks everything up. You know, it's like this book likes to tell you a bunch of things Why eddy is a good soldier? Why eddy is a good assassin? Why eddy has this knowledge of these asses and Templars, but they don't show it and I want to say it could have benefited from being longer But I want to say it's like equal length to the to the fall on the chain and it does so much less But with its runtime or its page time And something else I noticed it has a similar scope too. Like I wanted the fault I wanted the fault conspiracies for Aiming so big in terms of trying to have this multi-year story and trying to have all of these twists and turns But the fall in the chain completely does all of that But because it Is a lot more thoughtful about the pacing about the rhythm I also want to talk about and normally I don't have that many opinions about art But there's generally like nothing going on in the background of these comic book panels They're so lifeless and detail-less So much of the story is being conveyed through the text bubbles through the dialogue Almost as if you could read this book without any illustrations And it would still make as little sense as it currently makes. Oh, yeah I mean you are definitely on the money with that observation. I mean Like some of the art and places looks really great and some of it doesn't look very good And you did mention to me that the artist there was an artist shift Yeah, so like the first volume is a different artist in the second and the seconds is a little worse. I think the the beauty of comics is that You read the text bubbles But then you also see what the text bubbles are encompassing and you get more of the story Like there's a lot of There's a lot of things in comics that you can just put into the art that you can't read in the text bubbles And there's none of that here and you know in a great comic you can understand the gist of the story Even if all of the text bubbles are, you know, blocked out You could still see it in the in the art and the facial expressions in the world Another interesting thing that I want to touch on before we wrap this up is that You have the fact that this book actually tries to Explain an event that's referenced in an email you can read in Assassin's Creed 1 Are you familiar with the the Philadelphia project? No, I actually haven't heard about it Yeah, apparently there's this email and ac1 Where it's it's between allen reichen and warren vidick and allen's like You know data provider from subject 12 indicates that the ship briefly manifested in a future state for approximately 18 minutes It is unclear whether the timeline is consistent with or parallel to our own Although we have recovered enough data to reconstruct and repair the original artifact Blah blah blah blah blah blah the the point is they they do this in the comic they go to the uss eldridge Which is the ship they're talking about in this email um And they have a quote-unquote time machine even though dea glauco works as a prototype animus They try to have it both ways where It's only an animus because it's like a time machine that doesn't work properly Right, apparently there's supposed to be something that they call a fixed point That keeps your mind and your body synced with each other when you travel through time But because they don't have that point Uh, it works like an animus and you go through the past Without your body and therefore you're looking through your ancestors That email almost implies that there is like the there would be the ability Like with the context of the book at least that there is the ability to fucking time travel But also use this as an animus, you know, it kind of yeah, it kind of justifies the existence of both But what I want to know is if you're gonna if you're gonna put a time machine On the uss eldridge and you're gonna say oh, this is kind of explaining what that email is all about Why don't we see the ship manifest in a future state? Why don't we understand how and why that happens? If it does happen it happens off screen or off panel It's not a part of the story. So it just seems like they Like worked in this element But didn't really take advantage of it or use it In line with what it actually is supposed to be. Yeah, I mean, it's almost like they were like, okay What piece of lore and what what piece of obscure lore can we just cherry pick and utilize somehow in this book? Or there hasn't already been explained or the writer's like, oh, I'm gonna look at the wiki to see what we've already established about world war two Oh, we established that we use that time travel. Cool Dear Glock as a time machine. Yeah It's like I remember when I when I saw this connection on the wiki I remembered reading the philadelphia project that i'm thinking. Oh, that's cool because it was like time travel in assassins creed But I read it at a time when When hearing time travel in assassins creed wouldn't make me shit my pants with fear because I wouldn't trust ubisoft to do it Well, yeah, so then to see oh wait this this involved that which I completely didn't get from reading it And then yeah, that's the thing is there's no way for you to understand any of that Unless you one had this Knowledge of the email or what the philadelphia project is, you know And so then when I went back to read it again, I was looking forward to seeing Oh, how is this going to explain the whole manifesting the ship in a future state for 18 minutes thing? It doesn't so tim I think we've pretty well covered our feelings on this book. Um, what would you rate it out of 10? It's just two. Yeah, I'm a go. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 2.1. Okay, cool I wonder if they're gonna like put these ratings on like the 10th anniversary of the book when it comes out Yeah, maybe they can pull a blurb a pull quote from us print it on the back That'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's been fun to talk about conspiracies with you tim Um, as always we're gonna let our audience know here if you like listening to us talk about stupid assassins creed things Please share the show with people, you know who like assassins creed Um, give us a comment a tweet a retweet a heart. Um, a smooch whatever you want to give us I'll make us feel better. Um, thanks, of course to darby mcdevitt for joining us. Yes In our valhalla newsroom. I I can't think darby enough. I mean I I so cool of them to show up They're just they're burning these burning questions needed answered and i'm glad that he stepped up to do it You can reach us on twitter at hook blade. Um, I'm also on twitter at losson underscore found Uh, I'm I'm on twitter as well. I have a twitter. Yeah, uh zero underscore regen Regen and that's why you pronounce it for anyone that might be unaware. Yes. So, um, I have been the hook And I've been the blade and this has been the blade hook podcast. We will see you guys next week. Bye Very funny about the hook and the blade