 Mano mano bai kumans zote zam supa, mdenge, ama baby girl, ama kaliwa ama nim gentleman. That's the question per like at KTK social media. And I'd love to hear your feedback on that one as well. Mano mano bai kumans zam supa, ama baby girl, ama kaliwa ama nim gentleman. By the way, personally I've witnessed, I've witnessed. I don't want to use my own example. Hey, embarrassment of one, nope. So there's different of mine. They were, we are still friends of course, but from campus. So ena demo toa lukwone ena kila mahali pa moja. Sikwa duka, sikwa sisherehe, sichanch. And people thought that these guys will finally like marry each other. From kujibebea bags, from kubebea kitamba, from kubebea hankachiv, wallet. I was like, hey, I've never seen a love like this before. I've never heard that R&B song by Faith Evans. It's Faith Evans. I've never seen a love like this before. That was a love I never had seen in my whole entire life. But it ended up in premium tiers. So some of my friends in the circle were like, hey bro, you are giving this chick too much attention. Onan bebea bag, onan bebesu. Nini muna ena chanchi pa moja. But I felt like that was love. And if it ended, it's okay. What's the problem? And still the question is, mwanaume anabei kumans zoteza msupo. Ame kaleo amanim jantaman. Mina onanim jantaman. Okay? But I'd love to also hear your sentiments. So I'll be reading your feedback. So ndela kuzituma pale social media. Now joining me live in studio to take on this conversation, two powerful lady and a gentleman. And let me introduce themself. On my minute right, she is Julie Gamine. That's how her name is pronounced, not gamine. Julie Gamine, she is a content creator or you can call her a YouTuber. And then next to her is a powerful gentleman by name Douglas Owino, who is a journalist. So definitely very soon. Udakwam kimoan on this other side as well. Good morning lady and gentlemen. Good morning to Brian. How does it feel to be on TV? Feels nice. Thank you for the opportunity. You're welcome. You know, for me my first time on TV I was so scared, so scared. I couldn't even put my hands and I was very little. I couldn't even like adjust my hands so ndela kwaunimeka tumi kwaunapachini. So hostakana mechangamka we're not like beating you up. By the time I was coming to actually understand it had taken me some time. And I love that you guys are just like you're used to this thing. You're like, let's do it. Okay, me, I'm used to camera because I have a YouTube channel. But the first time I tried a video for my channel that was a YouTube promo. It was crazy. When was that? When was the first time you went? Last year but one. To one stand of the year. Okay, the promo was supposed to be last and a minute. On Friday I went with nothing came out of the whole shooting. No, you start then. Boom. You start again. Take one, take two. I do it for your take 20. And you battery kaisha moto. Battery a camera. Nasili SLR. Then we went on Saturday now. After like eight takes. That's when now I had a YouTube promo. Eight, but you made it. Look at you now. You interviewing people as well. Congratulations. It's work in progress. Bro, have you ever been on TV before? Actually this is my first time. This is your first time? Welcome, welcome. How does it feel? Are you scared? No, no. Comfortable because the one advantage is that I've been exposed to a large crowd. So it gives me confidence at least. Right. And I love the fact that you're also in media. So you get used to it. Yes, so I'm getting used to this. Sao sao. Let me start off. I'd love to start off with you since you're a gentleman. Because the topic is talking about Aman a lot. And I'd love to hear insights from Julie as well. Do you feel like Broku ko bai commons is a damn. It's a little bit too much. Ki bianasimani simping. Onasimsa na. You're pleasing too much. Actually, in innocent it goes both ways because you can be either being it because some are fearful that what I achieve but some they do it because one they say they are that's how they are taught or they have learnt it from someone. So they know that this is the way to go. Okay, yeah. I love you to explain a little bit more and wider. Personally for you in your relationships usheri prea demsana attention ila dizen muna na launch pamoja muna na charge pamoja muna na soko pamoja unam bebea bag mikuwa in public unam bebea kitamba unam shikam konam kitamba Muko, like you guys are like you know when Selena Gomez and Justin Bebo alikuja they were everywhere they were like also we are on a ground with before they broke up I remember those times wa lukwa kila maali so people were like hey this is a love like I've never seen have you ever done that? Did it end up well? Or in premium tiers? Actually just a little bit of it was pure and it was pure you as own you need your own space too so sometimes pure okifani is of you to mostly out on a lake we'll see how it goes Really? But for me let's say unam bebe isn't it what is all de manataka But for me I'd say Simba Simba, you've done it before? Yeah How did it end up? But in your relationship it's a story for another day For now it was another episode but it was a good experience Relationship in Lisha amabadu kuna? Lisha for now but it was a good experience but it was a good experience I love the fact that did it end up in premium tiers? Amabadu we are still talking No but we are still good friends but we decided like if it's not working there we can't force it certainly decided to issue to you But I'd love to come back to you Uni ambe why that relationship didn't work I'm interested to know Recipi ilu kwa Pachini li fanya Kukafi ilu kujim Let me throw it back to Juliet I know you're going to like give heavy heavy opinions about this because you know you're the person being talked about Do you feel like baby boy ama boy shahadu palia ake kupiwa too much attention ake obei commands ake kumambia hoshi isu viyombo binanda kulala Okay I think I'll pick it this way whoever wrote the question it's a next question but they want obeying commands like it's like I'm commanding you I don't feel like without they want a commander and whatever it really means it's okay but happens in life this is how God created us in as much as you're a man whatever one man can do the other one cannot you might like apparently I'm engaged and the guy I'm engaged to thank you I forgot my ring the guy I'm engaged to is not a PDA person so the thing of holding hands doesn't work for him and I've learnt like in life it's about and you like it like that me am okay because if you want to eat you just don't wake up and start eating you must prepare the food it's learning in progress like I feel like before you change someone to be whatever you want you have to allow them to be in their element then make sure they are comfortable to switch from one side to the other don't be too much don't give them pressure but the thing with don't force them the thing with kubeba handbag don't force them allow someone to be in their element also for you to also understand them because if you want me to change at indoni kwa a gentleman and ita kwa too much I want to feed personality because I understand both of you have different personalities as well and it's too big because those who are reserved and chill, relaxed like our tacky pressure are my gentlemen exactly you come and meet me up in the mambo main na pia gentleman see gentleman in all ways because there is what you define as gentleman there is what I define as gentleman and also what this guy exactly because we are very different and we have to understand that depends with what did you tell me for me to do it maybe whatever you want me to do I'm not comfortable with it and it's perfectly fine it's all about understanding the person you are with and giving them time I don't expect Brian we start dating today and you expect me to polish your shoes tomorrow in the morning I'm not used to it like and communication is very important let's talk about it then am I comfortable with it am I going to take time and you understand me so I don't feel like kuhobe na kufanya less of a guy but it's also nice for a man to use your brains usi obe too for the atialinia mianim bebe handbag and I'm not comfortable with it please if you're not comfortable say it because you cannot do everything every other man does because you're very different as she mentioned if you don't do it it happen come home exactly because you want that relationship to continue being there na if you stop it at a feel same type of way am I because you're insecure am I how you do it with a relationship at the end you're like okay let's be wise not everything unataka means kupaya right does that mean that I'll have to confirm to be ni ni photocopy no let's try and not mismatch personalities this is what I can do this is what I can't this is what I can compromise this is what you can't and there are men who love ladies who wear heels personally I don't will he start making me wear six inch and we just started dating it's about understanding communication and compromising what if he's a celebrity let me try to make it complicated what if he's a celebrity or let's throw let's forget celebrity he's a professional influencer or a professional public figure and he does these appearances red carpets and you're the girlfriend and you have to be there and look the part like there's no discussion you either look the part or you do something else would you still put on heels okay there's one thing heels don't conform with elegance there are people who look so good na hawa java heels and if it's for a short while if I am comfortable with it well and good there are guys who are very famous but they don't love suits only because I'm a celebrity that will I make you wear a suit because of that one event because of the red carpet maybe it's an Oscar you guys say we also have to talk about it I feel like we also have to talk about it because if you have your brains everything cracks down to the person you are are you exposed to the extent of babe to make the event flany to tavanini like you don't just wake up and make me you have to make it it's mutual we are not struggling maybe it's work it's okay it's in common sense just make it easy for the person if you have a baby and you are wearing a suit if you are in a process car you have to wear a suit okay fine if you wear a suit and the elegance is not about suits and stuff and heels you can still look good in normal outfits I love the fact that you've taken us to therapy come back to values come back to family identity I'm still stuck on that let me throw it back to you bro actually this topic is in relation to Uyu Influenza Najita Terence J wali pegia pwale picya sosha media kidogo kidogo kame and then the question was is it okay to always carry your woman's bag in public for example but our Uyu Influenza but in our African setup personally I haven't seen my grand pa though rest in peace I never saw that happening but kuhi generation here too we show a lot of PDA she mentioned our PDA public display of affection tunashikana me kono ta aw tunashikana me kono tiku okopremia tunashikana me kono tiku enda cinema tunahingi a church tunashikana me kono do you think it's a modern thing as compared to like NZZ kitambo and CC to my evolved CC in generation Z actually I'm more men I'm more exposed to that culture but I don't know because that I say my father he found all those things but CC to my generation we are exposed more to make value for me to make my girlfriend my wife happy there are some things that I need to do not just because she is forcing me to do that but I have to do them so that she can be comfortable in her elements but for me I'm more exposed to that to make her more elaborate so that she can be in her style to match the culture of the kitambo that is in traditional what a man needs to do and a woman needs to do because before it was a tabu let's say mimi kone kana I'm Stan let's say if my uncle or someone who knows my father and can only say I'm not embarrassed because it's the first thing in the lecture I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know but I have to do them I'm writing I'm doing I'm putting I'm telling I'll tell you I'll tell you sinisha enu. We have some things women were used to know to do. I was told by my wife that if there are more ladies who are exposed to the situation, it's probably because of the amount of people exposed to the situation. Ha? Onaka, oma na muna mke? Eek. Ona shanga kweni. Odakwata kwaan nefizwa, kweni wewe ukuna juzi za muna, kia manini. Mmm. Kwaan tezi niw, Uduzi kwaumne niw na kwaumna na wwew. Kwaumn nii wakuwa informasi. Tama iwa miimi ni senzi ya. Kwaumn nii wakuwa liberalizi muha oma? Ya. Tama iwa, kwaumisha na. Tama iwa kwaumn nii wakuwa. Man needs to behave like this. Nani evo. Nani evo. Anything contrary. Nani contrari. And some, a third one, we could actually see them. You could actually see my father. There are some things that he could do, which I cannot do, or something that you could just tell me again what you are doing right now. Because if you think again, nesafanya, my father would be like, hey, my son, what's wrong with you? I don't know because I'm not back yet. And then, I realized that I'm not. And she became a big fan. Perhaps more people have said that they were too lazy to take a shower. Be like, are you showering twice? And are you? What's going on? You can even shower three times. You have to wash your hair and get the makeup. Do you still have that problem? I use it to wash my feet. I cry when I do it. I think on that point it cracks down to exposure because there is no man who woke up one day and decided to learn a baby handbag, so the rest of you see please mkudetube baby handbags. In the journey of life I've learnt that you come with something then we follow if we find it nice, if we like it. If you walk in just one day and decide 20 minutes in Gitu Rai, you'll see a couple of guys carrying handbags and they are talking kwa barabara with a chile and they are perfectly fine. So I don't think it has anything to do with cloutches or maybe I'm so comfortable with you I decided to call you my woman and you've been carrying this bag the whole day. Let me help you. In between tu naji patatume na kusmama po tupigwe picture and we are not aware of ni me beba, so hakuna yo ni ni atini kwa komfita bo tupigwe picture ntachkua. It's just being natural because that guy didn't know we'll talk about it but only because he's a celebrity people are trying to check is he cloutchasing, is he not. Mama, is this a narrative that he's trying to portray so that other men can follow as well? I also feel like he was just in his element during life and then apparently he was caught on camera unaware. Because if he didn't want to he could have like these videos that was going on when Diana and Diana in Bahati bought a house and Diana was trying to ni ni Bahati to carry the bag and he was like, you babe. And he was not willingly doing it like we saw it on Kibbe's video. He was like, babe, bu eshika. That's one thing and there's something else. So it's also nice for people to communicate. By the way, babe, mi I don't mind once in a while just have a random ni ni conversation. Babe, mi I don't mind you can bebe a handbag, sikwe kiki ndelia ndelia. So that you also know where your man falls. If he wants to, he will. If he doesn't want to, don't force him. Understand he still wants to feel like he's a man and it's perfectly fine. He might not be comfortable, someone else might be comfortable with it and it's perfectly fine. Bro, do you agree? Yeah, totally 100%. But Kibbe says it, Kife, Kife, Kife, Kife. Kife, I'm a big fan of the YouTube channel anyways. Ana se mo kifanyi vo wewe ni simp. You are simping and you should, you are a kinuti. Ana itanga kinuti ama kinuti. Kafukusui. Kafukusui exactly. Ana kupiganya onyo palesha. For reducing masculinity and being feminine. We need to understand where Kibbe is coming from. Kibbe is not in our generation. Really? Yeah. I feel like he is at the center of this generation. These are things that Kibbe and Ana finds so strange. Of which Sisi, as they now, is getting normal. Sisi, those are tamali chongo nyu sanka fla ni nibuiz. Ni beishti review, infakt. That guy applies a little bit too much lip gloss. Adiokoa nam chongo koyo video. But I'm like, this guy is a presenter, he's professionally, you have to have professional look. Kibbe talks on behalf of so many Kenyans who can't speak it out. It's like the way Shonarwa does this nini of after there was Fenty Beauty he criticised Phe outfeeds after Wakanda in Africa. She also criticised it. He's speaking on behalf of the other people who have another perspective. But I've learnt there's always a good perspective and a bad perspective. Listen to kibbe. There's something you listen to kibbe and you make sense, but there are things you're like chill, calm down, we understand why you're coming from. There are people who relate with him, there are people who don't. A lot of men that I know want kibbe should be the president of men's association. But still there are men who feel like you don't. I'm like na na na na na na na na na na na na. So you've got kibbe and uncle here to those generations there? She has an idea. She has that type of thing. She was exposed to this kind of thing. But I want to say it's watering down masculinity and trying to make it feel good. I don't feel like. Do you know what Brian? Yes. Have you been to a setup who are mostly in church? You see a man coming in with a wife and the man is carrying kibbe. I'm a church photographer and let me tell you, that's an action shot. On Father's Day we can use that photo. I feel like it's super cute when we post a photo of a man carrying kibbe than the lady carrying kibbe. I feel like it's a form of communication. It shows connection. You also connect with the baby. I've learnt this thing at night after you get a baby. It's the mama who always wakes up to feed the baby. After the baby cries it's the mama who has to wake up. I feel like the man, this is our baby. And you want the baby to also love you. You know most kids if you ask the mum how dad. Mum, because mum is present. Dad is always present when it comes to money and stuff. But still you forget DNA is 50-50. We need to connect with this other gender. And that is why people go wrong. Let's not make it at its ladies thing or its a guys thing. In as much as there are those specific things that are meant for ladies and for guys. But if you can do it well and good we appreciate it. But we don't make it at its every now and time you have to cook because you're my boyfriend. Once in a while we don't mind. I've also learnt kids also love it when dad cooks. Right, absolutely. It doesn't make you less of a gentleman. At the end of the day we won't call you mama because you cooked chapo. No, you still remain to be dad. It doesn't deny you your masculinity. Yeah, actually we look at you as this dad. This charming dad that we want to still have in our lives. And it reflects of the kind of man I want as a husband. I'm speaking of that. This is how. Are you engaged to someone that you feel has almost the qualities of your dad? Because you mentioned very strong values right there. Do you feel like the guy you engage to is a demonstration of your dad? Or somehow kind of qualities? Okay, I've learnt in this. You know how most people go wrong. You're looking for your dad in this guy. And you forget they're not age mates. They don't come from the same place. Two different people, different personalities. Like for me, my dad is talkative. My guy is not. My dad loves cooking. My guy doesn't. So don't try to fix. I think this is why most men struggle because they are trying to look for a mom in the wife. In as much as it's okay for you. Because in one way or the other, your nini, your husband replaces your dad in a way. In as much as it's not 100%. But still, don't try to make this person be like a reflection. Because there are people who grew up with very toxic parents. Does that mean you're looking for a toxic spouse? You're not. But of course that one is a different experience because that's trauma already. And it makes you resentful to even marriage. Because it can't make you even attract marriage. But I think there's also a saying that says a daughter marries his father. Like a daughter marries an expression or a demonstration of their dad. So basically it is like that. So I don't know the complication that comes up at Katikati when it comes to finding a husband. Do you want an angel or do you want to fix someone? Like you mentioned, you'll have to get someone who's an empty canvas. We land them together, we construct each other and then come up with our final thing. Exactly. And I've learned, you know why young ladies are going for older men? It's because they are kwa visuri. And you forget someone worked for this. So you find your thing so long as you're okay with it, Brian. Brian, I might like that guy because he has a car. But why don't I come together with you who has no car? We put our money together. You have a car. It's our car now. I don't have to struggle with someone else. He drives so well. He dresses so nicely. Some ladies are selfish out here. You want your mind to smell good. Post, before you go further and I forget. What do you think makes our young ladies go for that? It's because mostly young ladies are lazy. Ladies in the aspect of, you see this guy, Sutiaki me pigwa pasi visuri. Do you know one thing you can tell between someone who is married and a bachela? Bachelas are disorganized. But you forget who you married. Kuna mtua liyam kakampige yung uwa pasi. There is someone who cooked for him. There is someone who reminded him. Baby pakama futami bu. But you and your boyfriend, you have a boyfriend. You're not doing anything about it. Like I've learned it doesn't take too much. Just buy him a coat. Lady buying the guy a coat. Will it kill you? It won't. Ladies will it kill you? You want this guy to buy you something? To buy your boy a coat? You find the man who wears a coat good looking. See you also buy yours one coat. Imagine next time he ends up like, How many times are you buying him a coat? So we can reverse roles. I don't even feel like it's reverse or not. Because naturally it's two ways. You feel like in society in Yatuko. It's even like in the Bible they say the man shall be the head and the provider. So natural instincts is in Akambia. As a man, go get your money. Go work hard. Bring this chicken board and buy for her everything she wants. In fact if she wants to be a housewife she can stay in the house and give her everything. So in that situation she won't even have the money to buy you anything because once of all she is not in that position to do that. Brian, In Yatuko 2022, 2022 economy is tight. Right. How do you make me a housewife? I love that. Maybe you earn 150 Gs rent it up to $20,000. We have kids. We want a car Brian. Right. Like me, my dream car is a 13 car. We like sitting in the house as a housewife and still want to buy that car I want. Right. We are living in a time swabai. It's okay. I'm your wife. But am I supposed at a Jumini housewife am I supposed to sit in the house talking in Maesha? Brian, I want to buy a token. And now I have to pick my phone babe. Talking in Maesha. Does it make them? Majime katua. You know how good it is uliacha mtu kwa nyumba. Maybe you can buy a token. But they don't have to nag you. You're also human Brian. Absolutely. Okay. We love that. This cracks down to the sense of saving for me, for a dry day. Me have learnt that someone I listened to on TikTok, they said you should have four savings accounts as a couple. One, savings account that builds mini expenditures. Right, expenditures. The second savings account. You need savings account kuna harambe, mahali, kuna kituye emergency, mehita jika. Matanga. The third savings account. Your personal account. Wow. The fourth one, my personal account. Oh, so for the hubby and for the wife. For the wife. Then for the bills and having to buy kids shoes, clothes, dohio. So that in case one day COVID comes again, but God forbid, please God don't. Amen. COVID comes. Or maybe there is something that's an emergency. We don't always have to be like harambe, harambe, harambe. We have a kabakap. Kabakap account somewhere. I'm a full user. Yeah, no tell me. Yeah, any housewife. It's okay if you're a housewife. We understand. Maybe your hubby earns millions and it can sustain you, but that one lady wants to be a housewife, but the hubby doesn't earn enough. Right. Wait for it. If you have to be a housewife, like Brian, it's also nice to check unafanyan any housewife. Me, I can't be a housewife. I won't buy. Okay. I'm a creative person and you know lady's talk, I don't know how many thousands of wans in a day and then you here nimeshinda kwa yo nyumba Brian. Okay koja. No na zipata zote. Izo wans zote and maybe you've had a crazy day. You see. Also want to see I'm doing something in that house. Maybe I was on YouTube I was seeing Deco pieces. I bought one. When you come to that house it looks nicer. I don't have to tell you. Beb na taka pesaya sinjuina endawapi. You see like it's not a bad thing. It's good to have something small. Right. Just in case. You see, when imagine you get fired today but God forbid and I'm your wife, mini housewife onaku jatunangali aneivi Brian, will we eat that TV? Will we have to sell our chairs so that we have some money? No. It's good for women to also be empowered a little bit. But in a positive way, not in a bad way. But if there is a dry day I can save you. You see if your car breaks down natu kwa barabara maybe pesaya kwa kwa bank we don't have to start going there to withdraw. I'll be like maybe I have some money I can pay for it. It's good. It doesn't make you less of a man. You also feel like you have a helper. Exactly. There is a difference between when you're a bachelor and when you're married. Of course. In all dimensions. Financially, spiritually, emotionally. Right. And I love the fact that you used me in the example. And not other person. Now, an interesting question, bro. When do we say this is too much? Manzeh, miyai kantis. When do you reach a place when you say baya pe nye me fika nye me choka? But this is too much we have to go our separate ways because I can't do no more. I am done. Let's say back to the nyesema kuna some ladies who see that one as your weakness. So, they take that chance to capitalize on it. To manipulate it. So, they know that to me, I can be let's say my husband do this at a fan. Right. I can be a fan here at a fan. So, with the time when that man and I realized oh, kumia li kumia li kumia li kumia li kumia li kumia all that time so, I say ah, he he has a ways. Right. He has a partner. So, ono patanga Sam do na kwa a bit violent or saying utu wa na motu wa na poteya tui wutu. Aha. So, lopatanga he umpaka he umpaka he umpaka na sema ah, I can't take it anymore. Right. So, atakwa na mbia fanya he na mbia setesu kuna mikono. Right. Fanya he fanya na sema pana ama na kwa mbia sawa wachani yende he na rudi. Mm hmm. Mbim say na yenda he yenda hangatu. Ia na kujatu na excuse to kido kido kitu but main pointia na sema nimia kufanya wa sawa na so, it's time for you wutu he sasa kufanya wa sawa. Right. Before you come in, Julie, I'd like to hear more from Dagi. At what point do we say this is toxic? It is too much, my dear. We need a break because at some point Julie gave a background story where somebody told them we need a break and you're like this is not a break, this is a breakup by see you on the other side of life. Aha. Ikifika in a drain like all your energy sana all your time na energy mostly. Na energy na refer to nini exactly. Wajio say nga na sa maga sudi bad energy straki bad energy sudi straki bad words sudi bad vibes ibad energy na kwanga nini. I think I'm trying to also read ibad errors. Na maeski atu kwa kusama e manze mi straki bad energy kainifa. Ibad energy na kwanga nini. Ikua relationship. Ina kumana umana kumana umana seta fiamana umani lesi kwa shavi umbo lesi kama house chores. Una pata lesi they can do for a time but ina fikama ali kus women most of us atu jezoia ioma ishaya kus tumele leot kijua like most ladies na na fanya house chores. So see wana umani kutoka uko inje unuta futu let. Ba sona pata maiawefa na nambia o shavi umbo leo kesho kesho kutu. Sona pata ina fikama ali na ina kwa kus uja uja isoa evo Uja koindakte kotoa wa sistem So sit na jwa we need to go and look Woman mi kutafuta say kutafuti see the other way round. Ba To koko generation is Shop life and Boss like Samboka kutia R&D Keja, Kili mani nini piu dham umamas Dham babas na life na nila na tanana tesa kutesa na Shochia piyakwa mtandao. To take it even further. Yanai shochia. Most say, that's the easy way. In a short cut here. Yeah, they could have their dreams... Instead we could have... Because he trusted the process. We tried trusting the process. Things in quite hard... And no. We were in option, B.F.A. Soon we could have the analysis. Why not go a short way if it's gonna give you good reasons? Why not? Kama listen tapata kenyana, kenyana dream of ntapata, then why not go this way? So ana compromise, he's happiness ama he's time, ana kusmoku wa iu. But let's try to bring it out. Maybe had ya compromise jyutyote, mtu maya maimuweka maimuweka tu as friends, ama as work friends, of course there's levels to this. Haide fika yo levelenye, kila mtu ana jyua, I'm trying to force myself to believe like sila kila mtu maya ana li piwa rent maali ama baishu akitu, kuna akitu an exchange, maybe I wonder you do an investigative report and just find out like, why are you engaging, can you give us the clips, ama let's see, because there's that facade as well before I come to you Julie. Do you feel like probably kuna witu anwatu ufanya, and then says and do you know appear like, oh of course oh maya kwa. Yeah. Let's say, in onu yu ana wene zakuwa, kus let's say yuna pata. Koma se maimu one way or another, so you're not certain, you don't have proof. So yuna pata let's say for me, let's say kwa nime jaribu kutafuta that good life in attack, but each time najaribu kuneni iwa, ina kataka isa. And then na pata let's say my wife here, very so successful, so akuna kila kid. Nana kweka fitin na mende lana maisha. So kuna ona eh, but instead of struggling, why struggle when this? When I can chill with my angel. But for you personally, will it make you feel less of a man if wuna fanya kila kitu, when I tell to hei come and eat, hei let's go to bed, hei let's go out, no, but let's travel. I don't feel anywhere. Will feel less of a man. Kus na pata. But utafil giltiki dogo, lasimu utafil giltiki katakuwa, you'll be like, ina deep end. You're taking it, but you're like inside your heart, you're like you're closing your eyes, you're like... Ina deep end, pia let's say kuna kuna mtuako, sisi genreshintuako ako predisposed to that. Right. So ame leona nabubakia, anambia, this is what a man should behave or should do. And this is what a woman or your wife should do. So anambia, aki enda kua relationship, aako ready ana joizo steps inye, my father told me that, my wife atakuna fanya iwi na iwi na iwi. Right. So na pata iye atakuwa, mou konto wa ana fanya iwi tuzodi. Right. Bar sosa kuna wili mune, atakuwa exposed, amona the other side. Aha. So kwa mina ona, oh, my father nengejikoni, anaza pika, my father na kujana iwi na iwi. Right. At least na ona, me na vina manko li kuna fil, so na pata na kujana, na treativo, my wife juna ona. It's sometimes nivi zodi pia. Right. To balance. Yeah, at least kukuwa na balance. Yeah. Asi chukesana na asi kwenini sana. Bar kuna mabuizu ako shai, anyway, so upenda gipia attention. Like, there's a friend of mine, he was very shy, aditu lukwa na mskumia asi chana. Aditu na mambia, brown dya ho, dya ho aditu na mwen tradusi, on behalf, on his behalf, aidi a kafikatua place. Ata ni kama li kwa depressed, ni kama li kwa trauma aia ni, kwa introduced kama dem wengi. Na pata lisi, wu yu mibi a li kwa na, nisa maji like, aja kwa, lisi aja kwa, yu aja kwa well groomed, on how to approach a lady. Ah. And also how to interact with a lady. Na kwa lady. So na pata lisi, una pata, iai mei jotubu baki wengi a li kwa, aja mfumisha. Amali raising one, asi kwa father, asi kwa mother. Na pata lisi, musili like a single, like a from a single parent, na jwa, this is the only parent. This is just the only parent. This is, I know musculine energy, musculine energy, I know feminine energy, this is only feminine. Una pata, before, ami piti a that, lisi a traumatic situation, so I'm on that. Kumbe marriage, na kumga evine, so na kuna, that attitude like, for me marriage, I use the work. It didn't work for my father. So for me I use the work. Suwata wiki jari buku, kubengap yu ishi ya, waschana na semai. And I'm traumatized. Kus it's a matter of, then it's a mental health issue. Right. Julie, we have been told, I wrap up Kitambo, but I'd love to hear your closing remarks. Just a quarter a minute, a quarter of a minute. Yeah. Closing remarks no semi-social media to Kihanda. A quarter a minute. That's like 60 seconds into a minute. Okay. Me, I'll say first of all, just understand your person, understand what they want, what they like, and also don't just understand them. Also make sure they understand you. Don't lose yourself in the middle of a relationship. It's about life, it's a lifetime thing. And we're also supposed to explore together, to explore each other. If it doesn't work, don't force it. Try it, bring out the best version of you, but don't hide. And also explore yourself, explore them. Love people if they love you back and appreciate who people they are. And just know, it's work in progress. No one was born perfect. Everyone has their good side and their bad side. And you have to accommodate each other in life. Not only in a relationship setup, but also in a friendship setup. So you can find me on Instagram, JulieGamain underscore official on tiktokjuli.gamain and also on YouTube. Make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel. I talk about relationships, lifestyle and everything good vibes. Julie Gamain official. Alright, thank you for your sentiment, Sahab. Bro, closing remarks faster, faster. Okay, I'll say that for you as a man, don't do it because another person is doing it. First of all, you need to explore the options. You need to know the importance of it. So don't copy paste others. It may work for them, but for you it may never work. So I'll say be you and you need to be more educated in terms of relationship. But the most important thing that being a gentleman and doing those things doesn't make you less of a man. A man is still a man. Alright, thank you. Okay, confirm me on all my social media platform, Douglas Ovino, N.H.O. Ovino is with the H. Alright. Thank you so much for your sentiments and remarks. Julie Gamain, you're a content creator, we can call you a YouTuber and Douglas Oteano, you are a journalist as well. So you guys, congratulations, but I've just remembered you're engaged. So hopefully, utatwita wedding. Tafadali, please don't fail. Utaatumia link. Utaatumia link. Utaatumia YouTube link. No. Naroneza, no. We must come to that wedding and eat a cake to kulepilao. And follow social media, we had asked you a question, manumanao bei kumans zote za mdenge. Awe bei gyal waki aum super. Ame kaliwa ama nim gentlemen. We're gonna take a short break when we come back with Ram as we close it up to record to give some of your feedback. So keep them coming. We take a break and remember to stay on that hashtag. Why in the morning? And don't share in the channel.