 Have you guys seen this before? I have, yeah. I've been involved with vegan activities in the UK. Oh, you guys, vegans? I am, yeah. There's a standard practice for killing the males in the egg industry. They do it across the board with free range organic and they shred them on their first day of life because they don't produce any eggs when they grow up so they don't keep them. Dairy farmers will take the calves off their mothers after they impregnate them and the calves don't drink the milk that they want to sell to people. And then they slaughter the boys, put them in a slaughterhouse, cut their heads off and then the mothers will be slaughtered when they don't produce milk any more after about four or five years. So all these industries, they're abusing kill animals and we talk to the public because they're complicit in something that they're probably morally against. My battle with vegetarian and veganism is that I don't feel... I have to like block out the things in my head to do it but I do it because it's convenient. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because it's what I've always done. Oh, that makes me really uncomfortable. I'm going to take a fire. Yeah, yeah. Obviously animal cruelty should make us uncomfortable but like a good person like yourself who can't watch that, you know, but... I always thought if I can't kill the animal myself, I shouldn't be eating its body. I think it's still shouldn't even if you can't kill it. I think it's still fucked up. I think it's fucked up too, yeah. What do you think about life growing meat? You know, where you take, say, a feather with two cells and then culture it into... As long as there's no animals being exploited and killed for that, I'm all for it but you don't need to wait for the lab to grow meat. We have all these different options. Such a big corn farm, corn is great. Yeah, like, you know, for cheese and butter and... It's so easy to be vegan in the city. There's so many vegan choices, you know. Yeah, I find myself slipping up and then I'm like, this is inexcusable for me. I'll change because I didn't want to be an animal abuser or a hypocrite. I didn't want to be either. So you're going to be one of the other if you're doing it? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. It seems like this is already in alignment with your values. Big way. And it's not as inconvenient as you think. You just think, well, what's more inconvenient being stuck to death or just choosing a vegan option? It really puts it in perspective. Yep. God knows, I wouldn't put baby chickens in the meat grinder. When you buy the eggs, do you push the button on the blender? Yeah, yeah. I appreciate your time. Are you just stressed? Yeah. Thank you. Keep trying. Take care. Take care. That was cool. He's a good guy. I didn't want to have any part of that. The blood and the knife is in his hand. And, you know, he felt responsible and accountable. Now he will go and change. I've got more confidence in that guy than I have in a lot of people I speak to. He was distressed by the footage. He's like, well, what do I do? People are really bad. Have him information. He'll be more motivated now that he's seen that than any type of apologetic activism you can do without no slaughterhouse footage and without holding people accountable. I'm a big fan of your video. Oh, really? Yeah. Are you a vegan? No, yeah. What are you doing, mate? So, what are you thinking about? I'm thinking about... I just don't know what to eat. You don't know what to eat? Yeah. Really? Like, isn't this motivation enough? Have you seen this? I've seen, like, so many videos online, so it's pretty messed up. I agree with your principle. I understand why you're trying to stop this from happening. Stop this from happening, yeah. Like, you believe in my principle, but you're making my job harder because you're paying for animals to be abused and killed. Do you know what I mean? Like, you seem like a good dude as well. Yeah. And, like, I hate people who make fun of vegans. I don't understand why. I believe the cause you're fighting for is good. Yeah. It's all coming from a good place, man. This kills me seeing this shit, dude. I hate it. I've seen so many videos. Yeah. I love your discussions online. Yeah. I've been watching a lot. Yeah, cool, man. Are you an Earthling guy? Yeah, cool, man. Really good. Yeah. What exactly is holding you back, dude? It's too hot. Yeah, like, inconvenient. You don't know what to eat. Yeah. Like, what do you usually eat? Like, rice and chicken. Yeah. Lots of chicken and beef. So you cut it up and you put it in what? Stir-fry and you make... How do you cook your meals? Oh, my bacon sometimes stir-fry it. My parents always stir-fry it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stir-fry it. What's your heritage? Chinese. Chinese? Yeah. Fuck, man. Chinese got the best tofu going. Yeah. Like, you know, all you have to do is replace those with mock meats. Like... I had tofu before, but like, well, I mean, I ate tofu all the time, but I feel like it's just not filling. It's not as filling as chicken as meat. Yeah. Yeah, well, you got like... Thank you. You got like all this stuff. I tried those as well. You've tried a bit of stuff here. I feel like my stomach is quite heavy. Yeah. So much preservatives in there. Well, it's either the suffered body of an animal who didn't want to die or it's, you know, some type of alternative, you know, like... It's either you're abusing animals or you're trying your best... I don't eat eggs. That's like, it's disgusting. Why? Because it's disgusting? Yeah. I don't eat eggs because male chicks get blended alive. That's why I don't eat them. Like, I didn't know that before. I don't ever do sex. Yeah. Since I found out how eggs are produced, I stopped eating them. What about the mutilations in the pork? That's fucked up as well. That's a standard, man. Yeah. This is... Peaks come from shit holes like that too. Yeah. The tail is cut off. I've been in these sheds. Yeah. Yeah, it's disgusting. The smell never leaves you. It's nothing. Like, you smell your... It's like, five days later, you can still smell that shit, like... Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. Like, the living condition is so cramped. Like, they don't have any space to move around. Like, they're literally drowning in their own feces. Yeah, and they go and get gas chambered in here. Yeah, I've seen that as well. Yeah. How old are you, bro? 21. 21. You're old enough to know animal abuse is horrible and wrong. Yeah, definitely. And you obviously know that you're responsible for those animals that are being abused for you. So I can only give you some places to eat and, you know... Like, no one can force you to make the right decision. Yeah. Like, that's up to you, dude. Like... I'll tell you, I used to be a violent gang member, right? Yeah. No one could have told me to stop doing what I was doing. It was up to me to go, fuck, I'm hurting people. My family's upset. Yeah. I'm on drugs all the time. I'm hurting people around me. When I looked at the steak at my plate, I was like, fuck, that's an animal. Yeah, exactly. What did that animal ever do wrong to me? No one was gonna... I could go right now and buy a steak if I wanted. Yeah. No one's stopping me but me in my conscience. Yeah, it takes a lot of willpower to not eat any animal products. All I do, it doesn't take willpower for me. I just look at it from their position and I go, fuck, man. I wouldn't want that done to me or my sister or my dogs at home or... You know, I wouldn't want that done to anyone. Yeah. So why would I want to be the person who does it? Yeah, exactly, yeah. Are you deficient in anything, just wondering? No, absolutely. I'm healthy. Really? I'm healthy like I recently just run 100Ks in one go. But would you agree like it's pretty... If you wanted to get all the nutrients, like it does take a lot of research and it is quite kind of hard, right? Well, how much research have you done? A little bit. Not enough. Not enough. Yeah, otherwise you'd know that it's really easy to plant a wine-based diet. Yeah. I mean it's not much different to what you're eating now. You know, you eat rice and you eat vegetables and you eat fruit. Yeah. You eat maybe some cereal. Yeah. What do you eat, soy milk or milk? I didn't need that. You didn't need that? You know... My stomach can't handle... Okay. Okay. Plain milk or dairy. So, you know, all you're doing is add a little bit more calories off the things you already eat or replacing the protein source with another protein source like tofu or tempeh or find an alternative that you like. Yeah. You know. Do you look at your nutrients now that you take in? Not really, no. So why do you care about the nutrients you're about to take in from a plant-based diet that you're not even analysing your diet right now? It's like meat is more nutrient-dense. Yeah, well it's not. Well, I will explain. It's more calories, so... Not necessarily. It depends what you eat. Yeah. That's true. You can have a handful of nuts and there's a bunch of calories in nuts. Yeah. But what nutrient do you think is in the dead body of an animal that you can't get from plants? Is it harder for our plant protein to be absorbed? Is it? No, not necessarily. No, not at all. I haven't done a lot of research. I've successfully built muscle, I've ran marathons and I've run 100Ks in one go and no problems recovering. Yeah. So let's just say you were right. You couldn't get certain nutrients from meat and you had to go get a supplement which isn't true. You only need a supplement with B12. Yeah. You need a supplement with B12. Let's just say you had to do a few more things. Yeah. If that's justified, if you had to do a few more things, that's not true but let's just say it was true. Like, look at this shit. Yeah, it's messed up. Look at those baby animals there. That's fucking horrible. Yeah. I hate how they are commodified. They're treating nothing more than a product. Turn into property. No, they were sold as property. Turn into flesh. Turn into shit in the toilet and flush down. Exactly. Remember, Ro? So what's alternative to meat? I'll say it's tofu, beans. What else? Tofu, beans, tempeh, all the different, you know, if you go into Chinese grocer, they've always got pure vegetarian food. So it'll be vegetarian without any dairy and eggs. The Chinese, Vietnamese, mock meats, I feel like are the best. There's a brand called Lam Yong. Yeah. Vegan bacon, they're vegan prawns, they're vegan chicken have always been the best that I've tried. So if you look in the grocer. I've tried mock meat before, but I feel like my stomach can't handle it. So my stomach is pretty sensitive. To what, oil? To, like, processed food. Yeah, processed food. So I feel like maybe whole food is better. Tempeh is good. Yeah. So what's a whole food on good vegan whole food that I can have? Soy beans, like, you know, like edamame beans, you know, or all the different beans, whole grains for protein, lentils, satan's wheat meat. It's made out of wheat gluten. My body might not like that. My body might not like that, yeah. It might handle, like, processed meat, but like, fake meat. It's crazy how you can handle actual flesh, though. Yeah, it is. Maybe it's because my stomach's conditioned to it. Maybe it's, you've got some bacteria that thrives off the corpse. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. The prawn looks like, I'll leave you there, but, like, when you leave here today then, look, look, you're going to either be an animal abuser. Yeah. No way around that. Yeah. Or you're going to be a vegan. Yeah. So it depends on what's in here and what you whacked out with your hands and your mouth and, you know. So the pounds in your hands. I don't, like, unconsciously don't support animal abuse, but I know, like, for my action, I'm contributing to something horrible. You are conscious. Yeah. You know. Yeah, I've seen what happens. Now, just because you slip out of consciousness, you know what happens. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, thanks. Can I take a photo with you? Yeah, of course, mate. I love your discussion videos at night. Yeah. It's really thought-provoking. I really enjoy watching it. I just got to take the change I give you. Yeah, you just got to have a bit of courage and take it into your own hands, man. It feels really good doing that, dude. Yeah. You know, the worst part of it for me is I felt like a big fat hypocrite. Yeah. Because I was like, well, if I see someone hit a dog, I'm going to smash them. Yeah, exactly, yeah. But, like, I'm harming animals to have, like, deliberately torturing and killing animals so I can eat their bloody bodies, you know? Like, I felt like a hypocrite. That's the best feeling when you stop being a hypocrite. It's really good. You feel consistent. You feel like, well, I'm doing something good in the world, you know? Yeah. Thanks for chatting. You're a good guy. Yeah, all right. I appreciate what you're doing. And I want you to be on our team, man. Yeah, same. Yeah. I'll try my best. No worries, mate. Don't try. Just do.