 I've been chipping away more and more of my video, lots of clips, footage, I've done an edit as well, it's just fun, I'm just reminding myself of like, oh man, so much about it that just fizzles my bizzle, there you go, that's a nice way of putting it. It'll be a, I'm sure it'll be a fun day to try and buy this, it's gonna be great. Um, but yeah, it looks like we're live, hello there Chatteroonies. EFAP 102. And I managed to get the thumbnail, the title, the description, everything is right, that's, ah, feels so good. Everyone's saying, I know we're late, but sometimes you gotta push things around in order for a wonderful podcast to take place. How's everyone doing? Hello there. Hi, I'm alright. Good, that was the, that was the important part. Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah. I mean, God, there's just so much to talk about. Luckily today we were able to get Mouth Pause, our guest. I don't even remember fucking what that guy sounded like. He was the one that said, in defense of bad movies or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, that's right. Let's talk a little bit about the room, yeah, that was, that was an interesting video. I'm, I'm very disappointed in all of you for, like, not taking into account the fact that his name was Chris and he looks like an op-ran version of someone that already looks like an op-ran to Chris Duckman. And the fact that he's wearing a duck tie and never, ever calling him Chris Duckman. Damn. He lives on in that one too, right? There was so many things, yeah, I don't know if that was too obvious or if, if you know, it's, it's tough to know. Come on, Chris Duckman. It was perfect, it was right there. I do like the idea that he's an op-brand of an op-brand, that's, that's rather amusing. But yeah, he, he isn't even on that channel anymore, right? That's what we discovered. Yep, you just thought like transformed into like that bald guy, like you were looking at us. Like this cat to him. Because we were like, how could it be six months or whatever between, was it weeks? Like what happened? It was like a very short period of time. You're like, man, he let himself go. He completely turned into someone else. Stiffing. Also, when, when fetching, fetching the links, I saw the origin thing for the, the Twix and Reese's. I now know why that is being, that's been clogging up my Twitter with, with everyone discussing their, their takes on it. I see the battle has been raging on. I thought it was funny when they were like, aha, but there's an ice cream version of Reese's. I had, I was like, pretty sure there's one for Twix. Like, why wouldn't it be? There is, they just have one up in each other. They're like, there's ice cream. There's, there's ice cream bars. There's this, there's that. It's like, yeah, I think there's pretty much everything to go with Twix versus Reese's. Like you can find something. There's not like a thing either one doesn't have. Yeah, I think there's ice cream visions of like old chocolate. We're in, we're in, we're willed with, they wanted to do that, I think. I will say the fun size versions of Twix really don't do that candy bar justice. Like the full size version is the way to go. The fun size is improperly named. I'll say that. That's right. Yeah, fun size candy bars should be really big. Exactly. They're trying to imply that the smaller it is, the more fun it is. Like no, no, it's not how it works. No, no, not with chocolate. Especially the ones that are like family sized and it's like, pfft. That sounds like a challenge. The bags are like, it's like, you can share this with your family. It's like, I don't think so. I think that's pretty much like one or two people max and just like, okay. Um, but yeah, also guesting once again, Mr. Evan Monroe, how do you do, sir? I do very well, good to be back. What have you been up to lately, watching movies, staying inside, being a Goodman? Staying inside, working, watching movies, hopefully making a video, maybe. I'm up and lazy though. Oh, well, you know what, the lazy people aren't allowed on this podcast, just saying. Kick, gone. Also, blue people, not cool with blue people. Oh, no. New policy as of post 100, enough with the blue people. So, sorry about that. Never again. And, uh, brand new, new blood to be processed, refined and placed into consumable cubes. Uh, Mr. The Internet's Janitor, here to clean up. I see I even made it into the title right here, discussing the last of us two with Internet's Janitor. That's an honor. Is it? I mean, it's the truth. You're here. We're probably going to talk about the last of us two, I imagined. Uh, you, um, you, you were vaguely aware of, of, of EFAP, I believe, is it? Oh, yeah. No, I'm more than a little bit vaguely aware actually, um, fan of, uh, yours in general. I especially love how you, uh, drive people like Jenny Nicholson crazy. I mean, well, all I did was ask her about her. Well, I didn't even fucking ask her. I was just like, oh, your Joker opinion is not very good. That wasn't even just me. Rags is fault too. Wolf's fault. I can't believe it all got lumped on to me as the sexism. I mean, me personally, I'm in love with her, but if I can't have her, this is as long as you're driving her crazy. I mean, that's good enough for me. Imagine what it takes will be with like Joker two. She'll go crazy trying to figure out the themes of that one. That would be great. Um, so yeah, we, uh, we, we covered your video on EFAP 100. We were unfortunately in a position of... I listened to that. That was, uh, that was a fun day. Oh, well, the funny thing is like that was the third portion of the 30 plus hour roller coaster. And so, uh, and we were still, we were behind schedule of having doing a segment with our, um, well, with Wolf. We wanted to do some stuff. So we were unable to bring you on at the time, which we usually often do as we did literally in the previous episode. 101 covering, um, Karina Daniels, I believe. Oh, and, and I guess I should probably mention, I don't know what's going on with that situation, if you will. Like, uh, I've been given lots of pieces of information from, from that Star Wars girl and other people that like the... Nobody knows exactly how genuine, uh, Karina was. Nobody knows what videos have been made, uh, before they came on. And for some reason they didn't even, they didn't even seem to recognize that they had a video on that Star Wars girl when they came on. Uh, they didn't, like, know who she was or whatever. There's lots of stuff going on there. I'm just, I'm just saying, I don't, I don't know. A lot of people, like, think were under the impression that all of it was 100% genuine. I have no idea at this point. Um, I mean, it still, you know, went well. But, um, yeah, the, the smug, new gigante person, uh, just, just lots of concerning messages I've had about, about their perspective. Whether or not it was, uh, we got the full picture or not. I don't really know anything else about it right now. But I thought it was worth mentioning. Either way, it's, um, interesting that we, we, we end up having these people on. And I'm sorry it took a little longer to get you on than, than, than we wanted, but, uh, you're here now. Um, hello man. I'm just glad to be on. Actually, I've been really sick the last couple of weeks, so this is perfect timing. Hmm. Well, um, I guess we're here to, to talk about all kinds of things. I don't know if, um, what's with, with mentioning this, this tweet just, you just got here. What's, what's, what's this South Pole? What's the, what's the quick vision character development I see? Oh well. So, um, someone, uh, named Thomas Lang, a Nephap fan, uh, commented on Karina's video asking, do you like Mueller or not? Cause from some of your tweets and, uh, from this year, it makes it seem like you don't, or do you regret those tweets? Um, so Karina said, um, someone else had the same criticism and it's a valid one. I admit to doing that. I did feel that way at the time. However, I didn't always, I started out liking him from dark souls to an outlast. Interesting. Uh, but then I had seen long critique is deep critique by Jack St. And I found myself agreeing with a lot in the video. No, that was shit. Well, yeah, I mean, you would agree with it if you had, I hadn't seen the way people love your content. So this is, it's interesting because it's like, as she continues, it becomes clear that once she actually becomes familiar with your content, she grows to like you. So continuing, she says further reinforcing that was that Mueller had association with the anti SJW community because association means you must be guilty. Damn it. A group I have soured over the years. I feel have soured over the years. I'm sorry. So I found myself saying, is Mueller all that good? Really? Nah, but his content was then recommended to me on YouTube and I decided for the fuck of it to watch it and I ended up liking it. I think I just focused too much on petty politics rather than the quality of the content. Thankfully I'm out of that tribalistic mindset. So yes, I no longer agree with the retweet, the retweet being from, uh, I think it was that adequate Emily fellow who, um, complained that you just, uh, like nitpick all the time. Like she had retweeted that and people were calling her out on that. Uh huh. Well, the original criticism. Yeah. So the up to date, uh, information is that Karina is, is pro us for now. I guess. Yeah. I made that tweet. I tagged Karina. Karina followed me. Seems like a harmless person so far, but you know, Yeah. I mean, it's all good. Even if they did, you know, hate, you've had whatever. I just, I was just curious for the actual perspective rather than in case we've been sold down the river. Is that the right phrasing rags? You know, rivers. Um, me and rivers go way back. Um, generally only in one direction. Yeah. But yeah. So you sold me down the river. Yeah. I assume, I assume they were genuine. I said, it's just people were like concerned. You got to mention stuff. I was just like, yeah, there you go. It's all, it's all, it's all out. I don't know. That seems to be, um, how was, how was going? Um, I thought you'd be familiar with that. I think that's a, a term in the British land. Oh, well, I, I, I, that's why I said it. Um, but I was, I was thinking to myself, like, did I just use that wrong? Fuck. I can't use that wrong. Imagine us using something like a word wrong like that. A word incorrectly. We are known for never having made that mistake. Um, so this was, uh, I guess, I guess we got to get some context first. Right. So this was actually seen by a rags and I and four others, um, on a different recording that'll come out in probably like 10 years. Uh, we, but, but I'm going to bring it up now because it's just unbelievably amusing. And the fab audience is going to want to know about it. Batwoman season two. Oh yeah. We, we have what she's going to look like. The boom. No black eye makeup. It looks so strange. It's, um, it's the whole opposite of Robert Pattinson's Batman. I was, I was legit hoping. I was legit hoping that we were going to do a red afro. I was, I was hoping. I was hoping. She looked like a clown. It's all proofing out the end. It was like, Oh, please do it. But no. Yeah. It looks all right. Um, yeah. A lot of people call it on how like she looks so bold or impressed. Like I think they would go in for like badass. I guess. She really does look like she just, she feels like she's above doing a show like this. Like what the fuck am I doing? Most people are. So it makes sense. It's a CW show. Um, yeah. And they're already like filming. I've seen someone throw a screenshot of them filming in Vancouver. I think it is. So give it, give it a few months. Hopefully they rush the shit out of every single part of production. So we get the very best show we could possibly get. EFAP is excited. This looks hilarious. And I wonder if they really are going to commit to know eye makeup because that would be something like offensive. I guess. I think what people are theorizing right now is that they won't do the black eye makeup on a black person because they fucked up. They know that black people aren't actually like the color black, right? I mean, that's what you just said is probably racist. So yeah, I'm not. White people are actually like white. You know, you could put black make like black people get tattoos and those tattoos are black because they don't commit and get a white to white tattoo. Well, we white people, we got to get, we got to get white tattoos, but black people won't get white tattoos. I think they need to start pulling their weight. That's all I'm saying. White tattoos fade after a couple of years. Oh, well. Who? She keeps the fucking hair as well. I'm the hair. It's so bad. It's like, yeah, okay. I'm looking forward to how they've written that she's going to inherit all of Kate Kane's stuff when I really should be saying Bruce Wayne stuff. But hey, whatever. She's going to inherit all that stolen stuff. She's going to inherit stolen. I don't know. That's great. You know, it's great about those two is, you know that the shows want to have several references to the fact that that woman is now black and characters are going to make sure to point that out at every possible turn. Well, yeah. I think the actress said like she's excited to join such a like a great trailblazer for the LGBT community in reference to the show. And I was just like, Jesus Christ, that woman was far from the first show to have like gay people in it. I don't know. No, first, first show that ever had a gay person in it. Really? Her superhero show with the gay person. I just, I like to think she actually watched the stupid fucking episode of the restaurant odor who's like, gay people. She's like, wow, what a trailblazer. Oh, man. So, yeah, I don't know how long it'll be before we get it, but obviously next year. So, oh, I don't want to forget. I'll probably open with it. What do you think is better? Which do you prefer? Christmas or Halloween? I'm a big Halloween guy. Sweet. Wait, why is that? What is it about Halloween you like? I just like getting dressed up and acting like a dumbass. And you know, I mean, it gets also it's an excuse to dress up like a superhero. You know, there you go. Is that what you wanted to hear? When you dress up like Wolverine Batman? I'm cool with that. What's your favorite hero? Is it Wolverine and Batman? Do you combine them? I would say my favorite hero is Batman. Batman Marine? Batman Guy. I've never did a video about Batman, honestly. I've been waiting to. I've been thinking about doing one. Yeah, I've always been a big Batman guy ever since I was young. What's your favorite iteration of Batman? Oh, without a doubt, Dark Knight. Oh. On screen? Well, yeah. I mean, well, we can include all versions if you want. On screen, Dark Knight, obviously. I'm also a huge Dark Knight Rises fan. I think that that. Oh, no. Oh, boy. I love Dark Knight Rises. That movie is good. No, it's not. Oh, boy. It's not. No. No. I love it. I love the Banes. No, no. That's who I was. That's who I was for a couple of Halloween's ago as Bane. Oh, that's what I see out here. Bane's cool. Good costume. Good mask. Yeah. Were you a big fan of how Bane was just thrown, literally thrown out of frame by a shop in Blast or whatever by Catwoman? Was that? Okay. I was like, genius. Absolutely genius. Still remember when I was at the cinema, I was in disbelief. I was like, you did not just bring back Bane. The ending kind of started to get a little, but I like, I still enjoyed the movie. I mean, the showing is fine, but thinking it's like, well written story is something else. I wouldn't say it's well written. I would just say it gets me pumped. I love watching it because it gets me, just gets my juices flowing. It makes me want to work out and punch somebody. Oh, I mean, that movie definitely makes me want to punch somebody, Christopher Nolan specifically. You know, it just gets me worked up in a different way. Well, yeah. Rex still hasn't seen that one. We'll get on it eventually. He's found movies, baby. Oh yeah. Movies or South podcast versus let's do it. Oh, that's the thing. I don't think, I don't know that Rex is going to come out of watching it, thinking it was very good because there's so much fucking Tism in that movie. It's wonderful that you get it packaged in something that's so high quality. You get Christian Bale doing his baptisms and then you get leg braces that fix atrophied muscles or something. I don't even, I remember. How did he stand after he got out of the prison without having the leg braces on? Because he already fixed up with that point in the prison. Idiot. Pay attention. His cartilage grew back all the way. I think that if it was the first movie to come out after Batman and Robin, I could understand people going, yeah, this is better in comparison even if Batman and Robin is more entertaining, in my opinion. But I prefer Batman and Robin. I appreciate Batman and Robin too. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I can understand from a point of comparison that the Dark Knight Rises would seem a lot better if it was the only Batman movie ever made. It'd be like, yeah, that wasn't bad. Batman Forever versus Dark Knight Rises. Yeah. I'd probably maybe go with Dark Knight Rises even though quality-wise, even though I think Batman Forever is way more fun. But no goddamn. Dark Knight Rises is terrible. It's an awful movie. I will cover that one day. Maybe that's a future podcast for you guys. Let's talk about how great the Dark Knight Rises is. At least we all like the Dark Knight. There you go. Oh, yeah. He had to resell the Dark Knight with the Dark Knight. And then he had a different script written for Heath Ledger, I believe. I would like the original script involved Joker. Yeah, he was supposed to be let free. He wasn't here with the rest of the prisoners at some point. That would be interesting. Yeah. I mean, I do wonder had he continued the role. I wonder if they would have like made a fucking, they would have ruined it. Like they would have made a trilogy for the Joker or some shit. But like, oh no. Oh, I don't know. I think you would, I think a third one would have been better, obviously. Are you excited for the Batman with Robert Pattinson? Oh my God, I cannot wait. That trailer is so good. Amazing. I keep rewatching it, man. It's so entertaining to watch. And it just, it leaves you begging for more. Just have some portion, guys. I've been waiting about it for a long time, too. All the way back to the Twilight days. Fuck that vampire. Yeah, man. Twilight's pretty good. It's underrated. Are they cold on the inside? Would that be weird? Well, this is the thing about vampires. They're supposed to be like dead, right? But they also, like no, no blood's pumping. But they also get bonus and it's like, hmm. That's the true mystical element of vampires. They get magic boners. They don't need a working cart. They can only gain an erection on the full moon. It's weird, but it makes sense. Shut up. I know if they're like bats, they can only get erections and they're hanging upside down or something. Maybe that's just gravity at that point. It's not like they just pump it up with some air. Because you can't use blood. It's against the rules. You've got to make sure you know your vampire lore, okay? Even though everyone does it all differently. Robin, fetch me the bat bump. No, Batman. No. Yes, Robin. Do it, Robin. Oh, yeah. That was baited, wasn't it? Robin was going to be getting some shit going at the end of the Nolan trilogy, but I think that was more just, I don't know. He likes to end his movies in an uplifting way to where you're thinking forward, like you're thinking about the future kind of thing. I read something about that, that's why I was like that. Prestige does not end in a... Well, I guess that does actually apply to prestige, actually. It's simultaneously tragic and horrifying and then also uplifting. There's Tweet kind of, yeah. So, I guess... Ooh, that's something I was going to bring up. Rags Free and I decided to check out a film that's getting rated best of the year by many people. Oh, gosh. And I sold many 10 out of 10s, but prior to seeing it, I saw people saying like, this is going to be winning Oscars. Oh, hello. Wow. How big are the mosquitoes over there? You gotta get them, fight them off with a shotgun. Oh, my goodness. We got cicadas over here, they're like that, so... Fuck it, L, that guy's penis must be so big. It's loud. So, yeah, so we decided to check it out. We're like, oh, shit, man, great movies, let's do it. It was called I'm Thinking of Ending Things. It... Southport, you've seen it, right? I've thought about this. I watched half of it once, gave up on it, and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to try to watch it again. So, last night, I tried watching it again, gave up at around the same point. I can't do it. I'm thinking of ending things. Literally describes what I am thinking as I'm watching the movie. It's painfully dull. I have heard a lot of people say it's really good, and it's like, I don't feel comfortable saying it's like low quality, okay? But it genuinely does not grab my attention. It's so fucking boring. I'm done talking. It really was. I legitimately think that watching this movie was the most miserable cinematic experience I've ever had. Okay, I've seen a lot of... I've seen a fair amount of films. Just to check. Evan and Janitor, have you guys seen it? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. I'm wondering what the premise of this movie is. Oh, my God. It's a fucking two... It's a 12-hour long... Artsy Fartsy, Aren't I Clever Movie about feelings and themes and sad regrettisms? And it's just the most dull, obvious, pretentious crap I've ever seen in my life. I loved it. Oh, my God. I fucking hated it. I've never looked at the time bar on a movie before, because I'm like, how much longer does this go on? Another hour! And how could one hour last so long? I still don't know where the premise of this is. Oh, well, okay. So I'll set some grandtisms here. So again, it's called I'm Thinking of Ending Things. It's by Charlie Kaufman, makes a lot of... I didn't even know how to call them headspace movies, where everything is very abstract often, and you have to... You can only interpret, because everything taken literally makes no sense at all. It's always representative of something, and so I want to say it was like fucking 20 minutes until we realized that we weren't supposed to be absorbing the scenes as scenes, rather that they were extensions of someone's mind. And we didn't take much longer to figure out. It was Jesse Plummer's character that was everyone, basically. The idea is it's a guy and a girl driving to the guy's parents' house to meet them, and then driving back, and they get some ice cream, and then they drive back to a school, and then it ends. That would be the journey, if you will. And lots of things happen at each portion, and it tells you a lot about what the characters are thinking and feeling about life, and I don't know that a film has ever done nothing for me emotionally. Someone in chat was like, you figure it out in the first 25, 30 minutes, you get it, you understand, you get it, but then the movie insists that you have to go another hour and a half of this same shit over and over and over. It's not a clever movie. It's really obvious. There's no way to really misinterpret it, but it's really kind of very direct with what it's trying to say. It thinks it's really, really deep and clever, but it was so boring, and it was so on the nose with a lot of stuff. It's really, really easy to figure out. Rags didn't like it. If you want a better movie. Sorry, people are saying Rags is echoing. I'm not hearing any echo on my side, so I'm not sure where people are hearing it from. Well, let me see. Wait, I'm not hearing anything. Honestly, this is the first time I've seen that many people saying something's echoing and I'm not hearing it. Oh, my God. It says I'm in a cave. People are telling me to fix my mic. Is it me again? Ricola. Well, the weird thing is, like, it should be appearing from Mahler on his end if he's the one streaming it, right? All right, chat. I'm going to need some on-the-moment immediate responses here. The Rags talk for a bit. All right, so this movie, shit, right? The acting's really good. Like, all of the actors do well. It's just that it takes so long for anything to happen, and the little details of the movie are pretty like, oh, okay, oh, okay. Yeah, there, yeah, yeah. It's not like, it's not, it's not interesting. You figure it out fairly quick. What's going on? You just want it to end. You just, you just want it to be over. I've never, we got to a point in this movie where it was like, it was about an hour until the movie was over. And so I swear we watched that movie, even though there was only an hour in the movie left, we watched it for like three more hours. It just kept going and going and going and going and going. Never, it's not often that I just want to quit a movie and I just want to stop. I just want to leave. This was one of them. This was one of those where I was about to say, like halfway through, legit, I was just like, I get it. I get everything this movie's trying to say. And also there's like a theme of reviewers not watching until the end of the credits, so they just get shit wrong. But I don't know. Odd. I'm getting like, I think most people are saying there's no echo now. Very confused. That chat was really weird. It was bouncing back and forth. I'm not sure. Everyone's like, stop kissing the mic. He's like, no, I'm, you sound completely normal to me. That's why I'm confused. So do you have chat up and do you possibly have sound through EFAT playing for your desktop? There's only two sources of audio and it's desktop and then my microphone. Okay. So it should be fine. Okay. And there are lots of people saying it's fine. No echo normal now. Reg sounds normal. Echo comes and goes. 80% echo. How do I come guys? I guess I'll have to hear it myself. I don't know. Wait, there's no echo. There never was one. Oh my God. Um, yeah, so to clarify though, the movie's not like the whole point of it is to get the twist or some shit. It's, it's, it's, it just delivers into information to you in a very unconventional manner. And I just don't consider the information. I wouldn't want to explain all of it. I guess for the sake of spoilers, but the let's just say it was, there's nothing to absorb but the subtext. I was, I think I said this on Twitter is like the film doesn't have a foundation that can then be used as allegory. It's, it's already just nonsense. You're watching it and nothing is, is connecting up properly. And so all you can do, or at least this was my viewing experience was basically like, so what does this mean then because none of it is, is none of it. Like a character going from one place to another isn't a character going from one place to another. It means something in someone's brain in some way. And so I've just got to think on that level rather than taking it in as a story. It's all someone's thoughts going back and forth about something else and you'll have like weird lines where you're just like, oh, I wonder what that means probably to do with some aspect of blah, blah, blah. And yeah, I was just, it seems like the easiest movie to make. You know, I have to say like, I'm sorry, I just wanted to say real quick, if you want like a really good surrealist movie where it's a bit abstract and there's an unconventional aspect ratio, just watch the lighthouse. Yeah, I like the lighthouse a lot. Yeah, the lighthouse is really good. The lighthouse is great. Everyone watch the lighthouse. I'm thinking of ending things is like the Walmart off-brand version of the lighthouse. Okay, that's what I feel like I'm trying to do. I'm going to watch it because I just watched the lighthouse. The lighthouse is great. Have you seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Very good stuff. I have not. Yeah, that's a great one. I feel like it achieves a lot of what this was going for in some respects in a much stronger way in terms of delivery, but that's, you know. Yeah, I think when you do something like that where there's a lot of metaphor or a lot of interpretation, like it's best to have like a plot which is like easy to comprehend, and then you throw in subtext in addition to that. It's not like the subtext replaces the story. That's what I would go with, at least. There's an actual progression of events in the lighthouse, you know? Yeah, exactly. Like you can interpret it literally and like the film tells you one thing happens, but there's also like the stuff with the Greek mythology and there's a lot to absorb beyond just what you see in the film. So that's what's interesting about that movie. Also, we are made. That's what I got. Also, someone said I sound like I'm in a tin can. So I spoke and I listened to myself on my phone with the stream and I sound fine. So I'm being gaslit by my own audience. I'm going to end it all, going to Twitter to complain about you guys. EFAP chat was mean all along. Everyone was right. Yeah, wasn't very impressed. I mean, a lot of people think it's like master work, I guess in terms of, yeah, well, certainly on the emotional aspect, holy shit, like I really wanted it to end. I was like, oh, this is tough. Getting through is really tough. Yeah, you get very pissed in and you're just, you're just, what's the point they get to the house? It's like 20, 22, 25 minutes. Hour four, hour five, something like that. Yeah, it feels like that. You just want something to happen. It's one of those movies where you're just begging the movie, please have something happen. Here's an example. She delivers this poem. This is early in the movie. It's extremely depressing and dreary and dire, right? Like it's just all, it'll, without getting any specifics, it's just, it's just a dour poem. And at the end of it. It's three verse two, so it's automatically shit. At the end of it, he's like, that's about me. When they're like, literally the boyfriend and girlfriend heading to their parents having a chat. It's really odd that she gets into this whole poem about how shit everything is. Suddenly, and you listen to it all like, wow. And then he just goes, that's about me. And so, what I'm suggesting is, literally, we're confused. Nobody talks this way. And so all you've got is allegory, which is like, oh, I guess that's him sort of speaking to himself about how his life is. Okay. That doesn't stimulate me very well. I'm just like, right, I get it. Moving on, I guess, because that's it. Watch the Lighthouse. Watch Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Wine. Totally skip I'm thinking of any things. Skip it. Forget it exists. It's practically worthless. Honestly, I'd be interested to have all of eFab chat go watch it, then report back. I want to know what people's experiences are on a larger scale. Could that be like the next debate is like the next eFab question? What did you think of I'm thinking of any things? Well, people mentioned it already. YMS gave it a 10 out of 10. So I know that there's people are now expecting like, oh, you got to talk to him about it. It's Charlie Kaufman. I already know that I think one of his favorite films of all time is Synecdoche New York, which is what he made as well. Another film that is quite bizarre and lots of it has to be interpreted before it can be consumed. I just wasn't very impressed with this one compared to his other work. So yeah, I don't know. I didn't mean to spend too long talking about that. I just saw the tweet about it and I was like, oh, we saw that too. Just feel like it's a movie that like anyone could make but very few people should because it's so dull and miserable to watch. It feels like a legit waste of time. If you don't have to adhere to a plot and a storyline and things of that nature and you could just throw in anything you want at any time and then say, oh, because it means da-da-da. And like, well, fuck, how could you not make the perfect movie like that? Like, how do you even grade this? So anyway, I was going to... I had a thought, I don't know if it's worth mentioning or not. Southport, do you want to mention anything about Bill and Ted? I feel like there's been nothing public about that on eFap whatsoever. You know, like the only person who's seen it outside of me as far as I know in the eFap dumb, is he alive? I watched the first 10 minutes. What'd you think? I was laughing. All right. Southport, you had it or with it? Sorry, hi. I was laughing with it. I thought it was funny but I just was like random a friend on his phone while we were in the car. I watched 10 minutes of it and then we got to our destination and then I forgot about it. Sorry, hi. So I was on Push to Talk. People are still saying that the Echo is coming from me. It's not because I was on Push to Talk. So fuck off at that. Bill and Ted 3. I watched that in the theater. I just watched the first two Bill and Ted movies. And they're a good time. Even the second one, which is not as good as the first one but still fun to watch. Oh, I thought the second was better than the first one. I don't know. The first one has just the kind of charm. I get what the second one is going for. I prefer the first one over the second. I don't think it's bad. I prefer the first, whatever. But I was expecting the third one to be pretty good especially because all the reviewers were saying it's great and everything. And I went inside and I fucking hated it. In fact, it's like it was one of the worst experiences I had watching a comedy in the theater. And granted, it's not like I've seen an Adam Sandler movie in the theater. So I'm not saying that this is worse than Jack and Jill because I don't know what that movie is like. But Bill and Ted 3. Oh boy. I think that I was messaging you, Mahler, while you were watching it. Yeah, so my thing was I rewatched the first two and I was like, it's cool. I'll be able to see the third one. And as I was watching it, I was pretty fucking surprised in terms of I was expecting a pretty easy third movie in the trilogy. And apparently we're in a relative minority. I thought it was fucking godawful. You did too. But a lot of people seem to think not only is it not bad in any way, it's actually pretty great. There's like a third in the trilogy and I was just like, wow. No. If you actually care about honoring the characters, you have the same sort of standard for like why the sequel trilogy is bad, why Terminator Dark Fate and Genesis are bad, why The Last of Us Part 2 is bad. Bill and Ted 3, unfortunately, it does the same thing with its main characters that those other games and movies do. The two main characters are failures. They don't actually say what? Film with the golf club? No. The whole point of the first two movies is that they're the ones that write this song that unites humanity and saves the world. It's a very silly premise, but that's the idea that the first two movies are built on. And then the third movie starts and it's like, yeah, they didn't actually do that, lol. And that's the opening narration. It's like, oh boy, we're in for a rough one. Which is like, you know what? Maybe, hey, you can't make a story without a conflict. And it's like, I guess that it wouldn't make sense for them to make a story set after they saved the world with their song. And you think this is going to be the one where they actually do it, right? No. It's their daughters who have inherited all their personality traits, while Bill and Ted, I mean, Bill's acting fine, but Keanu Reeves has noticeably aged out of the role of Ted. He's very stiff in this. Yeah. It's like, I'm not watching Bill and Ted. I'm watching Bill and John Wick trying to be Ted. Yeah. Seriously, just from watching the trailers, I remember looking at Keanu Reeves and just like, you look really out of place in your costume and just how you look. Yeah. Yeah. It's mainly running on just being like, yeah, it's Keanu Reeves though. It's like, yeah. It's just dark difference. Also, someone said it's nowhere near that bad, stop being hyperbolic like a child. So I'm allowed to not like something, okay? It's totally okay. I have lost all respect for you, because I haven't even given my reasons yet. They're like, wow, child. They might be calling, they might be referring to me because I'm the one that's been ripping this movie. You only just died. I mean, in general, this is the subjective thing. I didn't really find the movie funny. There was like maybe one bit where I blew air out of my nose briefly, but that was about it. That's a glowing recommendation. Yeah. I blew air out of my nose once. I imagine that it gets away with more so than a lot of movies do because of the fact that it's an absurd comedy. Like the plot issues are like crazy distracting at certain points in terms of just, I know it's bullshit, but, wow. You didn't like the fact that Future Bill shot at the past version of himself, despite knowing that if he did that, he would also kill himself. You didn't like that. How did it make sense that they go to their future selves to get the song and they don't have the songs they never wrote it, but the world hadn't ended in the future? I'm sorry, what? You can put it out there for me. The idea is they have to write a song within like an hour to save the world and they go to the future to try and get the song off themselves to use it, but the future selves didn't write it because they were shit. How is it the world hadn't ended? Absurdist comedy. You can't criticize it, alright? Well, because... It's not supposed to make sense, smaller. It's not supposed to make sense. The dad being from, was it five years of the future? He's with everybody's present versions and you're like, wait, he's like from a different... Okay. So there's two Mr. Logans now. Um, yeah. Uh... I'm gonna address that. Oh my god, dude, to create drama we're gonna have the future-tisms send an assassin robot after them. You're like, ah, so quick and funny. And then, of course, basic expectation from the audience. You're like, wait, why are you doing that? Cause maybe that'll save the world. Why would you... I'm not aware. There's literally no justification for why they think this is gonna save the world now. Sending an assassin after the two guys that allegedly saved the world with their music. And then, of course, they die. And they're like, oh no, it didn't work. She's like, oh god, I was wrong. It's like, why would... It's so bizarre to me. I was like, why would you assume killing them would do that? I don't... And this is what I mean to people. It's a comedy. How would this not distract anyone else? Such a fucking bizarre concept. And how the robot accidentally kills a series of famous musicians. And he's like, whoops. That was special too. And yeah, Bill and Ted spend the whole movie just meeting their future selves and being disappointed by how crap they are. It's an interesting choice. You've got their daughters who have basically inherited all their personality traits to kind of an uncanny degree. And they're the ones that end up saving the world. And the idea is, well, maybe Bill and Ted didn't write the song that saved the world, but they inspired their daughters' love of music that allowed them to save the world. Like, okay. Okay, yeah. That's the same thing that they did with Dark Fate where, well, John Connor definitely prevented Skynet, you know, but it's just a different thing came along. It's like Time Machine. The fact that future people just like, here's some instruments, make the song, and then they accidentally just leave a Time Machine open near them. And they're like, fuck, they used the Time Machine. Okay. Apparently, if you give everyone across Time an instrument and they'll all play in sync, they're great. Well, all they need is the kids to tell them how to play them and when, you know, because they're just that good. And everyone will already know how to do it. Everyone is like Ray in the Bill and Ted universe. They can just pick up an instrument and they know how to play it. I get that that's not what Ray does in the sequel trilogy, but you know that that's what she could do. Those dudes were playing that one song and she could have done the whole song by herself way better. She would have smoked the Biff musicians, man. They'd all be doing jazz or size in there in no time. Yeah, Max Revo wouldn't have shit on her piano skills either. Well, you want to name this alien musician, George? Max. All right. Max. Some people here and they still say they're staying as reverb from me. But like, I don't hear any of it. Surely I should be. I think they're memeing. I think they're just doing it because they were saying it before. I kind of hope they're fucking with me. I'll have to rely on one of you guys or someone to be able to better explain the problem beyond echo. Yeah, it wasn't... Still going on because I did fiddle with some stuff. No, a lot of people are saying that. On the subject of the name, the first name, Max, one of my sisters actually has a boyfriend and his name is Max. And that's short for something if you could guess what that's short for. Maximus. No, that's what I thought. Maximilian. Yeah, I know. Those are the ones that I'd expect you to say. That's the ones that I guessed. It's Maximum. Maxwell. That's one. Yeah, it's Secret Agent 86. Maxwell. We're also Maxwell Silver Hammer. Yeah, Maxwell Silver Hammer. Hammer some, yeah. Yeah, Maximum. Not Maximus, which is the male version of the other thing. Maximum. Odd. Very odd. Oh well. This is the last name, Pain or something? Maximum Pain. That sounds horrible. She named him while she was giving birth and that's what came to mind is Maximum Pain. And so it's stuck. So yeah, obviously we're not donating a shit ton of time to Bill and Ted 3. I just wanted to get it out there that I didn't think it was very good and I know that Southpaw wasn't a fan as well. Broad strokes, I just think it's a huge disservice to the characters. The writing is horrifically bad and I definitely, I don't remember laughing. I might have. Do you remember any jokes that you liked? There were jokes in this movie? Well, I mean, you said you laughed daily, right? I mean, I blew air out of my nose. I think that the one bit in the movie that I genuinely kind of enjoyed was when Jimi Hendrix was playing electric guitar outside Mozart's house while Mozart was playing piano. That was nice little scene. But it wasn't funny. Alright, well just enjoyable. Yeah, I would have to give it a lot more time to be able to explain better my issues with it, but I was not having much fun with it and funnily enough Bill, I forgot his name, Alex something, right? The actor here. He felt pretty much one to one with who he was in the previous movies. He seems to have managed to maintain it pretty well. Like I said, the movie could be renamed Bill and Body Snatcher of Ted. That's what this is. Dylan Wick. Dylan Wick here. I'm glad people really, really enjoyed it. I had trouble with that one. I was like, oof. I kind of hope that what will happen is in John Wick 4. John Wick is suspiciously acting like Ted. We mixed up the actors. Oh no. They're set in some like shared universe where Ted Logan and John Wick just switch bodies. Oh man, we got John Wick 4 and 5 on the way. Are you excited? Oh yeah, it's going to be great. I bet Bell can finally have something topical. Oh my gosh. It's going to be great. There's just a couple of things with Talking About. I suppose it's time to get on to the actual fucking title of this terrible, terrible podcast. Talking About Some Losses too. I figured the smart way to do it would probably be like before doing like a free-for-all. Is there anything you wanted to say specifically about the cover of Johnny Fab 100? Mr. Janitor? I guess okay. Basically the points that because I watched you guys coverage of me and you guys definitely had a lot of fair points. But I think one of them was that you guys were struggling with was what is what you kept saying like over and over. What are you trying to say? I feel like you're more specific. What is your point? Video might have got a little muddled here and there. I admit that. What I was trying to say in that video is that I personally believe that to experience a video game you actually have to play it. I'm under the belief that you can't watch a streamer or watch clips that you actually have to have the control in your hand and play it. I would agree with that. The only caveat I would have is just talk specifically about the coherency of the story. You just need to know the details of if we were to ask Rags how did it feel to play The Last of Us 2? What did you gain from the experience? You would just be like, well, I didn't play it. Yeah, I didn't play it. I watched Mahler's playthrough. So I could talk about the story and the characters and the mechanics for progression of events and mechanics to a degree. Yeah, I was about to say that you showed a clip of Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers where he was saying like it was a massive failure of storytelling and then at the end he says I haven't played the game but he said he watched all the content. That's still... You've absorbed the story but at the same time it's going to be a little harder to criticize the mechanics of the gameplay. But I think at that point you could still say stuff about the story because you've experienced that much. I played the game on my channel. I don't believe that. What do you gain narratively from playing the game as opposed to watching it? I think that just being involved and actually controlling the character actually being the real gamer when I game I have my TV right in front of me I've got my headphones on it's dark and I feel like I'm actually controlling my favorite character ever, Abby. But what's the change? What's the difference? How does it impact the narrative? Because you sort of just restated the something again. When it comes to the story and characters, what did I not get from the game because I didn't play it? I feel like from me playing it I felt like hold on so I get what you're saying that you're saying like Do you think it's like it's way easier to pay attention and to or to I was more involved because I was actually playing it the point of playing a video game is you have to get immersed and involved. I would probably can see that it's a different emotional experience but specifically just talking about the beats and what actually takes place rags isn't going to really have a difference. In fact, watching someone play it versus playing it can actually yield results in a positive way in that rags might have no... say for example he's watching me play it I'm split focused on absorbing what's happening and also making sure I'm pressing the right buttons moving the right ways and stuff while he doesn't have to concern himself with any button pressing so we can pay specific attention to everything that's happening and because I'm perhaps distanced a little more emotionally I'm able to see things with more clarity potentially. It's just like as I agree it's a different experience but it doesn't necessarily lessen his ability to be able to comment on it I would say. The point of the video that I was trying to make was that I went into it wanting to hate it I went into it reading all of the stuff and hearing that I didn't know what happened to Joel but I knew something happened because there was so much internet chatter I knew something was wrong with Joel and I went into it wanting to not like it planning on doing a slam video planning on attacking everyone just like everyone else obviously a lot of people feel strongly about it and don't like it and ended up liking it and that's why I made that review that was the whole base of the view is like look you may there's some people who go in wanting to hate it and end up hating it but there's some people like me who went into it wanting to hate it but ended up loving it. What about folks like me that heard about the leaks knew the content of them and realized okay so I'm annoyed that they marketed a Joel and Ellie story that's what they did and they're delivering a completely different experience but I haven't seen the context I haven't seen the context at this point when I see the leaks and I'm like well maybe in context they'll deliver a sensible way for Joel to end up in the situation and then I actually played the game and the context made it so much worse I was about to say I think that's an argument I've seen a lot of other people use in videos is the idea that like people like criticize the game about the leaks specifically like there were reviews that were written there were like their parent review bombings on medic critic and people are like they haven't even played the game and it's like I feel like that's a little bit of a broad generalization especially if like you can read the leaks and then afterwards there's other things in the game itself that can make you upset as well actually I'm I didn't even I knew Joel died and that was pretty much it I can't remember what other spoilers I even knew beyond that but I didn't even know about the marketing thing I'd heard people say that there was dubious marketing happening but I didn't know the specifics until afterward so I went in like la di da and if you watch my playthrough I'm pretty happy right up until I'm not so what I'm suggesting is I wanted neutral as actually which I like to do with a lot of media of course and yeah it went to shit real quick so I've got a whole plethora of experiences here how wonderful I wanted to hate it and when Joel died I was still hating it I was like I still kind of felt like this wasn't the game that I signed up for it wasn't until I got a little bit further into the gameplay specifically at one point Ellie drops down into like a subway and then there's not only the zombies down there but there's soldiers and stuff and that's when the game really started to capture me that's when there was a turning point for me I don't like wandering around this Seattle area and blah blah and then suddenly I felt very just involved in the game and I enjoyed it from that point on would you say that that's for the gameplay mostly like how sequences of events happen like the action and how you go place to the story itself? I definitely loved the gameplay I didn't talk about that really in my video I definitely love the game I feel like on a technical level the game is between like the transitionings between cut scene to gameplay camera never you know I was playing with the I was introducing the game to a buddy of mine a couple weeks ago who doesn't play video games at all and it may have been just a couple beers we were having or the late night that we were having but at one point I paused it and he was like oh my god I thought this was a movie you know you get lost in it I just feel like it's one of the most immersive games that I've ever played when people look at a game and said I thought this was a movie that's a big red flag for me I was playing the part where you're Abby and you have to go into the hospital down low and fight that giant blob monster thing that was the part that I was playing and they thought it was a movie yeah interesting weren't many cut scenes inside of that I think there are when she opens the med packs and tries to see if there's anything inside of there that is a pretty interesting sequence I did love the world building all the notes she's finding from the people who are in the hospital at first that's some pretty interesting sequences like that and I agree there's unique details in the world but that's and then of course my video also I gotta let you guys know a bunch of the video I don't know if you guys are familiar probably not I got a series called how to piss off blah blah blah fan so I do how to piss off a Star Wars fan how to piss off a Marvel fan originally when I was writing this video I titled it how to piss off a gamer and so the video was kind of supposed to be a mixture of sarcasm and supposed to be a mixture of how I actually felt about it and then a mixture of you know the reviewing just how this video was how the game was received and I think I might have bit off a little bit more than I could chew at several points while I was editing the video I just felt super over my head yeah that was that was my impression late into the video is like you were talking about so many different things it was like a mixture of the game itself and the reaction that people had to the game and I was just like watching it I was like that was why I was confused about what point you were trying to make and I was like I was lost like four days of work while I was working on this video and that was like a huge setback and then I was obviously just scrambling to get something out because you can only wait so many weeks being a YouTuber to get something out so you know I release what I released I do stand by a lot of the statements I said the stuff that probably offends people or whatever you know maybe I was being sarcastic maybe I wasn't overall I don't you know I don't even know myself half the time the point I was trying to get in the video was I think you need to play it to actually experience it and I went and not not wanting to like it and ended up loving it I think the most vocal people about it how terrible the game was didn't actually play that and I think that that's kind of ironic what makes you think that that it's ironic that people hate a video no that most people who didn't like it didn't play it yeah like are you judging that based on the Metacritic scores or stuff like that like what about people who know me based off like people I've interacted with on Twitter Reddit you know YouTube things like they said they didn't play it it's just my personal experience you know people who I've encountered who are so I hate this game I hate this game how do they do this and then because I haven't played it but I hate it and I don't know if introducing me to mechanics that don't particularly look anything like they're good in keeping the same exact story is gonna change my mind that oh actually the games I don't know because I like dark stuff I like dark fucked up things that's how I didn't like things I think that when it comes to people hating on the game without having played it themselves if they've seen the whole story if they understand how all the different payoffs are achieved I think that they've seen it from other people that have covered the game they are well within their rights to not play it and have an opinion on the story being shit I think that demanding that people have to buy the game or rent it or somehow get their hands on it through like maybe borrowing it from a friend or whatever or maybe stealing it in order to actually judge it that's a pretty bad precedent as far as like what's the point of really reviewing stuff then if we can't say no don't check this out like I don't recommend this I don't recommend playing it I don't recommend watching it reading it whatever because people will tend to trust when like folks like Ingrid Joe when they say the story is a mess wouldn't recommend playing it for the story that kind of thing so I think that when it comes to not playing the story sure you can't really judge the gameplay you can't judge the tactile feel of the game but I mean rags has no more or less information about the story than me you probably have a little bit more because you've been wicked out of video stuff but well I mean I'll concede at least part of the point in that it's going to be a different experience to have played it versus to have heard exactly what even to a to a script level what the story is and of course it would be lame for someone to like organize a hate train when they've not played it at all they go in strictly from what they've heard are the main beats I would totally concede if you're going to be even if someone said wait you want to go see the new Star Wars trilogy that's out they make it look like a coward and a guy on an island I'd be like well I mean what's the context there what exactly what's going on there like I would be probably primed to be like oh shit like what why but I'd still want to check it out so yeah I can give you space on both of those for sure I just don't know that I you know from seeing what I've seen I didn't know that that many people had decided to hate the game without having played it I didn't I didn't pick up the same sort of atmosphere with just the online discussions but of course we may have been reading and seeing different things now in those leagues came out it was pretty easy to see why people would be very upset at the direction the game was going and the stuff that was happening in that game played or not especially with how credible the leaks turned out to be much like the rise of Skywalker leaks a lot of people probably feel very very vindicated yeah I was going to say like I'd be fine with that if someone is like I don't want to play the game based on the leaks and just just based on what they hear they're like I I don't want to play this game I don't think it sounds good but like if you were to criticize it like I would I would definitely think you should experience the story or experience the game itself but yeah exactly took the words out of my mouth yeah if like if you had two different people and they had both one of them had played the game for 50 hours and someone had watched gameplay for 50 hours and they were both going to do a video about the story and the character and characters in the narrative of the game I would have no idea who'd make the better video because they both have access to exactly the same information um yeah I agree what do you think janitor I mean I can only talk about obviously my experience and like I've already said I went and I wanted to like it ended up liking it um I'm not going to I'm not going to be one of these people who are like oh Joel isn't a beloved character or anything like that yeah or the every death after the first game is just fault what are you do you know about that one from just right what do you think about that janitor did you see it I did I did briefly catch it um one day I don't really remember too much of it I remember liking it I'm sure you guys didn't didn't you guys cover it before my video yes we did yeah it was uh yeah I liked it he said that word for war he said literally every death that happens after the first game is jules fault like I think that that's insane like I remember hearing that line and I was like just right what the hell like we try to figure out how he could like figure that out I don't understand what math you're using the only way that that can make sense is if the fireflies synthesizing an antidote would instantaneously turn everyone on earth immortal otherwise that statement is not even nonsense yeah yeah all conflict would have to cease everyone would no one could possibly die it's just like that literally every death that's that's insane to say it's a weird one yeah because Joel did nothing wrong and and the funny thing about the whole Joel was not beloved that was said alongside you're just mad because Joel is dead the uh from carsman so it's uh all these interesting phrases not not to to put any of them on on you jazz it's just curious what do you think about these sort of because these were bigger videos that were mounting more of a defense for the game than a lot of people were I mean I I guess I identify like the video that I saw that I liked the most that someone else put out was donkey's video did you guys cover that one too I think we covered that with the just right one didn't we promise it's hard to remember watching a donkey video he appealed to like critic score at one point yeah he and just right both did that which is absurd especially for donkey because uh he's got a video the two videos actually that go over how useless and worthless critic scores are so it's like interesting I guess unless you agree with them but I mean I I do this game is weird where it's like I saying that I liked it so many people thought that I was just trying to get views or something or be the be on the opposite side to get clicks or anything I I honestly parts of me wish that I didn't like it I'm sure it's genuine but you you know you really do like you know making a video slamming the creators of this would have been probably easier for me than what I tried to do but it really was what I felt in my heart which is I enjoyed the game I love Joel and the way that I'm not I'm not saying the way that he was taken out of the game was like amazing or anything his death wasn't like you know the best death I've ever seen or anything like that but it didn't really bother me because I felt for me that it was a purple they set up some other people obviously don't agree and I don't have a problem with that but when my video is trying to say I think you should experience it yourself if you think you're going to hate it because I was one of those people and I ended up liking it. Okay can we talk about the fact that Joel's death was not appropriately set up in any way shape or form what's the way yeah I mean that's probably the fighting my tongue on that for like five seconds the longest five seconds okay I was going to say we're probably done with the intro portion of this we can get into the actual pieces of the game and why we think it's garbage I guess so go ahead yeah well no Mauler if you can take it out the top and I'll bolster your points I don't think I have you. Oh well I mean you were about to start it up there so it's all good we can start I think it's the most significant first event would be Joel's death and how it's put together organized and we can go from character motivations to like plots sort of pushing everyone's being pushed in a certain direction including the fucking zombies real fast not game of thrones fast or anything but I would say I would have liked to have Joel at least be in like half of this game but certainly we kind of hurt that would help out a lot I think I would I'm even okay with him being in it for literally a couple of minutes even if that's that's the goal they're going with is that we know that he and you know Ellie had some form of a life and then like the dramatic sort of start to this game is the on some kind of you know scavenging party whatever he's just abruptly and savagely killed it's more so to do with how the event takes place and why and all the characters involved and why they did what they did and I don't know if there's anyone involved that I don't have a big question mark as to something they did yeah there's there's nothing that I have against the concept of taking a character like Joel and killing him off as brutally as they do two hours into the game that's not the thing that makes it bad writing it's annoying especially given the whole marketing stuff but it's it's not necessarily bad writing however if the setup for it does not make sense that's going to undermine the payoff itself and it's going to take it from being like genuine tragedy as Ned Stark's death or the red wedding or certain character from breaking bad or the shields deaths then it takes it from from being tragic and heartbreaking sorry to just kind of like you thinking what the fuck like why that they killed him but I didn't I didn't feel like there was some kind of gap in the story where I didn't understand how he got to that point I thought it was a little rushed but what are you specifically talking about where you say that which of the twins each we go with first because there's so much do you want to start with the names and how they just get into it like I don't even know this is funnily what I'm having to do with my video and I imagine Southpaw's got the same issue where you're like how do I what do I go after first how do I structure the criticisms because there's so many it's it's the meme of in The Simpsons with Mr. Burns it's illnesses they're all trying to get into his body at the same time and they all clash in the doorway like I'm thinking like should we start here no there no how far back do I draw it it's like I guess we go all the way back to Abby wants to kill Joel right that's that's where we start so she joins the Washington Liberation front which is like cool because that's like just she gets picked up by them she joins them whatever and she must have told them about what Joel did and Isaac for some reason okays a mission where several of his people including his like top doctor and top scar killer are gonna Gallivan across North America to go and find someone possibly that might get them the location to someone else who has nothing to do with the scars and he's just trying to get revenge on a shockingly small piece of evidence and the first guy you're going after is his brother who may very well be completely innocent and not gonna give up his location therefore you probably gonna have to torture him like to me this this is absurd and Isaac is portrayed as someone who is like ruthless and entirely focused on the fight so the idea that this is the guy was like yeah guys you can go do that it's like that's absurd to me that's probably where I would start or his brother might not even might not even know where Joel is might not even be alive is like it's been four years it's a very dangerous world who knows if Joel is even alive but also assuming that Joel didn't go back to Jackson Abby's plan would have been to go to Jackson find Tommy torture Tommy and Tommy wouldn't have been able to tell her where Joel was it's such a long shot as to whether it could have worked she's very lucky that it just happened that yeah Joel was in Jackson and that her boss allowed her to leave Washington travel what was it 400 miles over to Wyoming with a group through a very dangerous setting in the last of us it's pretty clear that traveling any distance is going to be difficult right yeah that by foot they don't have horses they don't have a car it seems they don't show one in the in the house you'd think that if they had a car that they would have parked it in the garage right kept it away from the elements and Mel would have known she was pregnant at that point right so the idea that you're said that you're pregnant doctor why would you find out they find out that Mel is pregnant like sometime between them leaving and them arriving at Jackson because it's a big reveal that Owen gives to Abby okay well okay I wouldn't add that to the crazy path just the fact that she's an incredibly important member of the team like I said I don't believe Isaac would give up any of them to be honest with you but the story says he does and she's like okay in my head canon how I like I guess how I kind of like processed that was I mean you have to figure maybe Abby and Isaac's relationship it's like a give and take thing she was part of another group before she joined Isaac's group correct she was part of the Fireflies right yeah that's right yeah and then she joined Isaac's group I don't remember what they're called but maybe you know there's some kind of backstory there where it's like okay Isaac's like I need this woman she's strong she's a good soldier and Abby's like okay well I need Isaac because he has shelter but they both understand that her goal is that she wants track down her father's murderer so maybe he's you know saying look you come do some stuff for me and then maybe I'll do some stuff for you you know help me with a couple wars here and there blah blah finally the time comes look I need to go after him and he he gives the okay one time all right you can go after this time and if we're not allowed to head canon how does it hold up what do you mean we've had canon from the conversation entirely how does do you think it holds up I mean yeah I think that that's perfectly rational that some said two people would run into each other with that have you know similar goals and different goals and you know that we all have real life like that where we meet someone you know and we use each other for things that can benefit us and then sometimes you know we have to go our separate ways and I feel like what happened there so what I'm suggesting is like we can do this for anything in a storyline we could like just just why why would Isaac do something irrational well let's generate a situation where he might have done it for this reason he's got a brain tumor well I wasn't even going that far like you just you literally create pieces and blobs and characters and motivations to be like this is you know that this is probably what happened it's just like well I mean isn't the story supposed to be telling us what happened rather than us having because there's a difference between because I think you properly labeled it headcanon versus inference I would say that my headcanon wasn't playing that out like I wasn't like okay Abbie did this and this and this I just think that that's basic human interaction that sometimes people meet up and they can use each other for certain things and then sometimes they have different goals and they go a different way Isaac is like willing to kill his own people if they breach protocols of different kinds or at least imprison them in prisons Abbie the idea that he's cool with doing all of this stuff in exchange for joining the team like I first of all I don't know why they wouldn't have put that in the in the actual story like she would have a conversation with him and she's like I finally found Joel and then he's like you know no you can't you can't go we need you here and then she's like hey like this is the entire fucking reason I joined okay you have to let me have this and then Isaac's like okay that scene would have been pretty good it's gone sure that scene should have been I mean I would agree with you that maybe that scene should have been in it it didn't bother me that it wasn't but I'm not gonna say you know I understand that maybe some people yeah like it does come across as an insane thing that was allowed for no reason other than we would have a story to happen and I would say like that head count only covers Abbie it doesn't cover Mel it doesn't cover why would you send that many people I I don't know it seems really odd to me are they all part of the fireflies um only um I know when and Manny were yes yeah not all of them at least I don't think it was all of them I have to check we actually see a beardless Manny in the in the scene where Abbie finds Zebra Savior's body he's standing over Zebra Savior's body and Owen's there too of course so like those two are confirmed Nora maybe it's not confirmed um and uh CJ was asking in chat we'd never find out why Abbie's important to Isaac they do say she's supposed to be the the top scar killer she's she's number one Abbie so I could see why that would be important to Isaac that is what Mel says yeah when she says you're a piece of shit always have been um um and you know not to get caught up I was just saying so that's foundation Lee how we get these characters to the place that they need to be um and then once they're there this is where everything like it all unravels so quickly and I don't know why they did it this way you have they'll get there and then Owen is like hey I want to show you how I spotted the town we need to get to to get to the guy in there who has the information on another guy who may not even be like in America for all we know but just telling you that's what we got and Abbie's so bloodlust fueled she's like no we gotta do it now it's like whoa like we we gotta do all kinds of setup and prep everyone needs to know and I'm sure about anything and she's like no we're gonna go to an outpost we're gonna grab someone they'll tell us where he is then we'll grab him and then he'll tell us what Joel is it's gonna be great it's like wow she's um she's really going for it and I even think when I was first playing it I was just like it's kind of irrational here but I guess she's just really motivated and um it actually leads this is all important like structurally to Joel's death a choice to be like right we're doing it now is one of the many things that gets him killed um the absurd coincidence that they arrive she's told this and then she decides to go and pursue them while Joel and Tommy are on patrol like the likelihood of that is absurd but uh sure I guess that's just how it turned out the likelihood that they would bump directly into her like while a horde is coming the likelihood of a giant horde coming all we have to explain this is when it's winter hordes come it's like what that like that's the bad this is actually really good I was talking to rags about this when I was doing some editing on different parts of it and um Tommy is like where the hell did these come from Joel is like don't matter just move on because of course the writers are like it's a horde shut up it's fine it's just a zombie horde in the middle you know it's not like this place is regularly cleaned out for any and all stragglers of any kind and they comment on how like it's rare to even well some in the booklet don't they say uh the most they've ever like cleaned out in one of their operations like 20 um in the amount of times that uh Ellie and Dina have done this um and one of the book writings the journals yeah well all I'm trying to establish is just that this horde is extremely unusual and incredibly inconvenient so of course all I'm doing is just setting the scene here we got all these disparate elements coming in with one purpose and that is to get Abby over to Joel and Tommy and then get those three back to Abby's uh stronghold which also they can't run zombies on horses so they have to go to the the WLF HQ which when they arrive one Molotov and your instant huge horde of like possibly more than 200 are done uh which was quite interesting um and that have I missed anything because I'm just trying to get us to where everybody's in the one location um of course Ellie's on patrol as well and she um she gets high in like and has sex instead of when does Abby figure out that Joel is who he is is that that's before they go back Tommy gives up her names that's that that's what you missed and its name there's like there's introduced himself there's another detail by the way that you did most smaller um so before Ellie and Dina go out on patrol Jesse's like remember if you guys run into something that you can't handle you go back so Joel and Tommy are out on patrol and there's a big horde nearby and what do they decide to do well they see that stranger that they don't know uh they don't know why they're in this area is struggling with the zombie here to Joel that's what I said in my video and you guys were laughing at me but maybe that is it you know I don't know that's that's awfully risky to you know go towards where the horde is to save this random person well I would actually allow it if um I would allow it if not for the previous game like the idea that your average human might try and help someone who's being attacked by a horde is still iffy I'd be like ooh that's a big risk but I guess I could see it but after seeing the first game you're like no Joel wouldn't do that Joel's explicitly does that the earliest scene in the first game right when there's like an armored truck that with a turret on it that's like shooting people and Ellie's like oh man and Joel's like there's nothing we could have done about it that's the kind of person that Joel is he's not going to risk his own skin against impossible odds to save people that he doesn't know don't forget the um the family he leaves on the road that's before we streamed yeah before the apocalypse uh Joel is very much a person who looks after his he in his own um he's he says which I think I really think it's a strong foundation for his character where he's like someone else will help them someone else will come that's Joel it's like he cares about who he cares about he won't extend himself beyond that he that he uh risked his that he like walked closer to where a zombie horde was up against a chain link fence that was about to fall over um to save this random person that he would do it to save Ellie absolutely he would totally do that to save Ellie to save someone that he knew to save a stranger no not even uh Joel that's softened after four years of living in Jackson that doesn't that argument it's garbage garbage audience I did that with with air quotes by the way um just to just be clear the him and Ellie are are currently in the story at the time they're kind of clashing so maybe Joel's looking for someone else to kind of you know the final cutscene literally reveals that uh Ellie and Joel were on a path to reconciliation yeah so that was the night before he saves abby and abby kills him um of course giving up uh their names where they're from and the resources they can share with these random possible like scavenger bandit people is another just just mind blowing moment for Tommy and Joel things with like the fact that Joel uh massacred the fireflies in salt lake city a few years before and they apparently don't seem to think that there won't be remnants of fireflies that will be looking for Joel through Tommy especially since uh Tommy has told other fireflies where he lives that's exactly like what happens they don't factor that in they don't think that I I agree with you on that one okay so then without a doubt him I mean all the shit that he's pulled I feel like they should be more on edge and should work but of course five years is a long time you know you think that something's not going to catch up with you one day it does no no just five years ago man the whole faction was trying to kill me five years wouldn't be long enough for me if I kill an entire militia of people if I killed an entire militia of people that thought that they were saving the world and murdering someone I would never forget that anytime every time literally every time I meet someone new when I'm leaving the walls of Jackson I am using a different name that's why the the names thing is stupid because of what Joel did he got too comfortable man he got too control made a mistake no there's references and the flashbacks that go against that like he tells Ellie to put on her mask and keep it on like there's scenes that show that he's still cautious even in the gap in between the games I don't know I feel like I like choosing to keep your name and have everybody refer you by that name is just like that is a a titanically stupid maneuver not only does it make more sense to have changed his name we can make such a stronger payoff with it if everyone's calling him Dave and then when things get really stressed out and someone uses his real name because they think he's in danger you know we would have to change all the events to make her in the same scene to have it revealed that way would be so much stronger than having to go hey I'm Joel you act like you heard of us or something oh god I did something really something in my past that could have repercussions do I agree with you guys that it could have been better I 100% agree that it could have been better we don't want you to agree that it could have been better we wanted to agree that I was shut I was about to say we wanted to just shut I was listening literally everything could be better there's no such thing as perfection but I don't think it's like the last Jedi levels of bad oof it's worse than the last Jedi levels of bad it's worse yeah I think so I'm on the level I think it does just it's the last Jedi of games as far as I'm concerned I think that's a really good title for it that's the movement going around and that's the fight that I was fighting when I put out that video trying to say hey I don't think it is but there isn't a scene in the last Jedi but I still will stand on this hill I will say I do not think it is the last Jedi of games there isn't a singular scene in the last Jedi that is taking me this much time to deconstruct in my script as Jules death tell me about this before how many words is your script about about Jules death 14,000 out of 51,000 total written and I have many more to write about Jules death there's so much wrong with it to help people out who because I think there's some people in chat who are even like that's absurd so the key traits of the last Jedi were assassinated legacy characters a plot line that is incomplete tatters makes no sense whatsoever damaging the world building in like some significant way and dealing significant damage to the franchise as a whole I think it ticks all four of these boxes if we go in the reverse order the last of us is ending and your interpretation of Jules has now been locked into a position instead of being something that was ambiguous we could all discuss what he did why he did whatever but this game says nope this is what Jules did this is why he did it and he's a piece of shit it's like okay that seems like you've kind of shot on the first game's ending there but it's not so bad we can talk about this in a bit but I think Ellie's character was destroyed thirdly would be the plot I actually don't even know if I think the plot of TLJ makes less sense or the last of us two it's every single significant sequence in the last of us two it takes ages to break down exactly why everything structurally makes no sense at all and I think if we want to go outside the game to talk about the comparisons between this and the last Jedi and like the repercussions that they had and the reception they got both of them are incredibly divisive to the point where they damage the brand going forward in a very large way and then of course both of them were the result of somebody's creative vision that was extremely unpopular who brought the franchise in a direction nobody wanted to take I mean there's a lot of similarities between the two I would say this is the TLJ of gaming the only thing that gives TLJ the edge in being worse is the fact that Star Wars has been around a lot longer than the last of us and Luke is arguably more beloved than Joel I would say as much as Joel was assassinated both literally and figuratively this is tough because it's a combo of what they did to John Connor and what they did to Luke to a lesser degree to Joel because Luke was made into such a fucking opposite of what he is Joel when we talk about the non-physical aspect he's made pretty stupid and pretty soft not like I don't think it's as bad as Luke but then we also have on top of that he's beaten to death and spit on which is like it sends a lot of mixed messages about the treatment of the character in your own head like wow Joel doesn't betray his principles in this as Luke does in The Last Jedi the fact that Joel at least has the line why don't you just recite whatever feature you've rehearsed and get this over with that he stayed stalwart in his decision at the end of the game in his last cutscene those are like two saving races there's also the museum flashback and him taking down that bloater like a Chad like arguably all those things are more respectful than what happened to Luke in The Last Jedi but making him stupid so that he gets killed off in the way that he does man that really outweighs the good in a lot of people's minds also yeah I mean this is almost a tangent it's not like we really the point of this podcast to figure out which is worse it's more so just don't you think both are shit I think one is shit but I don't blame anyone for their view of which one they oh someone in eFat podcast talk pointed this out there is a truck in the garage in the lodge and it looks like it might be from the WLF do they ever talk about it I don't think they ever it's in the cutscene I just posted it I mean it's better than them going out on foot that's for sure yeah that makes a lot more sense and they use those trucks so that would add up they have a horse there as well I guess the horses are from Joel and Tommy oh sorry the truck is from the WLF good catch no ray didn't catch that before and I would take Isaac letting them take one of his trucks over Isaac letting them travel across the US on foot for a few weeks that's what came up here and is hinted at is more plausible than the idea that they walked on foot so the horse pulled the truck they really need gas for the truck I'm assuming they had supplies for gas though I would add that onto the list of things that Isaac has to give up resource wise in exchange for killing a guy who's no longer a threat like it's many years later I still think that's absurd by the way mm-hmm so how about okay so mm-hmm I think we're in the house now okay how about the fact that they are trusting these strangers immediately upon meeting them when they've established in both the first game and this game that hunters bandits are a thing bandits attack Jackson there's a section in the first game where you are fighting off bandits that are attacking Jackson the reason why Tommy and Maria instantly pull guns on Joel and Ellie as they arrive at their little electro power plant is because they can't trust them because hunters are a thing bandits are a thing and so then they mention after Joel dies Tommy says in order to do this smart we would have to bring so many people that we would be leaving Jackson vulnerable to infected and hunters so Druckmann has tried saying these people are not hunters in a in a little podcast thing that I saw I saw it was so stupid it's like how does Joel not know that these people are not hunters actually knowing them sure hashtag believe women that's that's actually something I would imagine thanks I know but it's crazy that that Joel's just trusting all these strangers that are camped out a few miles away from Jackson isn't it especially because he doesn't know them he he doesn't know if they could be planning an ambush or something it's it's really strange I think that I think I said it in my video which is I felt Joel's reason for doing it was because he thought that I saved this girl's life me and her cool now I got nothing to fear and that's that was my interpretation of it so Ellie in the first game after Joel gets impaled she's having to fend off for herself for three weeks they say and she's having to get food for her and Joel as they're holed up in a little house and she comes across this fellow that wants to take this deer that she's successfully hunted and this fellow sends his buddy back to their camp to get some medicine for Joel in exchange for you know we take the deer that Ellie that's rightfully Ellie's Ellie's willing to trade this deer away for medicine for Joel then while they're waiting for this fellows friend to come back with medicine a horde of infected attack them and they spend the next couple hours defending each other protecting each other saving each other's lives and then right after this happens right after they successfully fight off all the infected and the horde's gone this fellow turns out to be the leader of a pack of cannibals that Joel and Ellie had killed a bunch of at the university where Joel got impaled three weeks ago and he's been looking for them so the fact that they've been helping each other shouldn't really affect much especially considering you would think that Ellie would have told Joel about this experience about the fact that she was fighting off infected with with this stranger that then turned out to have this ulterior motive against her and Joel I mean yeah that was Ellie's experience but not Joel's why wouldn't she have told Joel about it though maybe she did maybe he doesn't care how many stories do you think they hear you know the world is absolute shit I'm sure hearing about a I think he'd believe Ellie who betrayed you was just like another fucking Thursday but that was still like that would just bolster the point wouldn't it yeah that would sort of be like oh wow yeah we were right all along in thinking that trusting other people is like a big no-no he shouldn't do you would think that that would be his take away that he would learn something from what Ellie is telling him especially considering at that point in the story even though Joel's generally like he doesn't really give a shit about what she has to say at this point he's softened up to her and is more open with her about talking about his daughter and shit I think that he would absolutely care about what Ellie has to say especially given the state that she was in when when he found her but me know maybe when he's running into her when he's meeting Abby this huge bicep muscle woman I'm sure he's not thinking about oh cannibal Joe what if anything when I see somebody's that well fed I'm like what there's more going on than just being well fed with her but okay that I have is that she's definitely maybe a little bit too big I think they went out I think they went a little too over the top with how I agree there she is shockingly large and I I think that if they would I think that that was a mistake if they would have maybe made her a little bit more realistic and maybe she wouldn't get so much hate I don't know but how is that relevant and Kogan was definitely a mistake okay agreed how is that relevant to the point about why Joel suddenly trusts the stranger given that Ellie goes through the exact same experience I mentioned I mentioned it was weird that she was so big okay I got you sorry it just feels like a diversion from the original point but what was what were your what's your question to me well I mean it's just I've I've asked you like why is it that Joel is trusting the stranger that he just met when he should know from Ellie's experience that just because that you fought off infected with this person that you've literally just met that doesn't mean that they're trust really I still I still believe that you know that was Ellie's experience not his and that he mistakenly it was a mistake obviously but he thought hey I saved this girl's life and obviously you know we're both running from this zombie her together we're on the same team and he was wrong about it no no just because they fight off zombies together again the fact that it was Ellie's experience doesn't change the fact that like it would set a precedent for Joel in his mind that yeah just because you fight off zombies with someone doesn't mean that they're trustworthy I was always under the impression that Ellie had learned it from Joel to be that careful and cold that's actually yeah because when they first meet Henry and Sam she's being very loose with with personal information yelling out his name and you know what her's and join us approved of that about that scene I was told right I had a whole adventure I was told that there was evidence in that scene of Joel not being cool giving it names and then someone else told me no that's bullshit people are making it up and then I saw it in editing and there totally is she explains their names and Joel looks at it like annoyed he's like the fuck like what did you do that for yeah it's like you can't mistake that Joel is not cool with giving up his name and this is before he massacres the fireflies and you know what's amazing is then in the winter section Joel sorry David I almost pulled a Troy Baker and confused Joel for David David asks Ellie what her name is and she refuses to give him her name until like after he's broke after she's broken his finger and she's taunting him over it but yeah she's not giving him her name as soon as she meets him which is like a development from that scene where they meet Henry and Sam I also was under the impression from this little you know their meeting together in that house is that Joel felt that this was still very much their territory they may have been outside of Jackson but it was their patrol territory they're surrounded by strangers though they're outnumbered yeah and doesn't the game open with Joel having killed a bunch of people in the territory Abby's group is outnumbered because they're the ones that are in their territory but they're not in Jackson they're not in Jackson that's the problem if they're in Jackson sure yeah but the people in Jackson aren't there they're in Jackson a few miles away from Jackson you still feel safe here you got the cavalry right behind you they don't because they're in Jackson and they're in my enemies are in this room they don't have cell phones or walkie-talkies to use to go hey we're in trouble we need man down like help us out at the Baldwin place no they've got nothing to call if it hits the fan yeah like if someone breaks into my house I'm not gonna be like well the police I can call the police he's feeling cocky because he feels like he's got the cavalry right behind him so he doesn't feel an immediate threat but he literally doesn't though like he doesn't have the cavalry like what's he gonna do he's gonna send him a letter email him like if he gets in trouble into that room like what's gonna happen he'll go fax them Joel never thought he was in trouble until he was already shot that's the problem that's the problem it's like you heard of us and then boom it's like what the hell Joel like how did you you didn't know what's happening until she blew your leg off and then compare that to someone being like oh help me obviously the awkward silence was telling that alright so well so yeah like in isolation that scene works in isolation the idea that you go hi I'm Joel and then everyone goes from being cool and calm and talkative to silent and staring at you it's a cool moment but it doesn't make any sense that he got there and he said that that's the problem the idea that it's like yeah it's only till that last moment that he realized he was in true dangerous like that's the problem we're trying to establish that that is the reason why that scene doesn't work is that he should have noticed well ahead of time like he does in the first game which one of my favorite moments when he detects that there's an ambush actually hurt they're pretending to be as I've been on both sides that's also a fantastic line it shows that Joel has a history that's dark and like he understands the world that's how he survives for 20 years Joel held the idiot ball yeah like going with like he's cocky like my thing with that is I would need evidence from this game or something that like shows why he's grown this way why he's grown soft why he like isn't cautious anymore but like I don't think there's anything in this game because they can support that yeah Han Solo is cocky Joel is not cocky no he's really cautious yeah this is not we're not talking about an Indiana Joel who just makes shit up as he's going along right do we're referencing two Harrison Ford characters I mean he's a bit typecast is he not he's cast in roles where they're cocky and they don't think everything out before just committing to an action um um I'm always I don't know if Janitor wants to comment on the things we're moving on I don't know I think it's probably the prettiest to let him talk yeah go for it I already did I'm back sorry something was directed I mean oh just Joel's character basically to bring anything up uh no I think that you guys obviously feel that you know Joel shouldn't be acting this way and my defense is I felt the game for me did a good enough of job explaining why he was I didn't like that Joel was acting this way I missed the old Joel I'm not going to say I don't I missed the I missed that Joel but for me you know it was obvious that he wasn't there anymore as soon as he started singing some song to Ellie I was like who is this guy I didn't know I didn't know who he was and he intended to do that in the first game they said that he would sing to her someday right yeah that's a payoff from the first game right but still is and then he did but I couldn't I you know I still couldn't believe what it just felt kind of I didn't I didn't recognize him well informed well I was going to say don't you don't you feel a bit of like a deja vu with people who are like yeah you say Luke is out of character but you know he's just not the guy that you knew he's different now he's moved on he's the difference between me and that is that I felt they didn't do anything interesting with Luke I didn't I didn't like it and for me with the last for with the last of us I actually ended up enjoying the story I didn't enjoy the last Jedi but I actually liked the last of a story so that's what they did I actually think what they did with Luke was more interesting than what they did with Joel and I hate both of them see I just I can't with whatever they did with Luke I don't know what they did with Luke but like Jules on screen for what five minutes and then he's killed I don't know that Luke it's a more honorable send-off than Joel did absolutely dude he gets to stare at the fucking binary sunset as he fades into the force and Joel gets spat on as he's you know what he's thinking that Ellie's next the way that Luke dies even though he should have just been on Crate himself and not done his force hologram at least his last act was him saving his sister look at the reactions to their deaths look at when Luke died Rey's like he's gone I'm happy it was just like what Jules established that being a false ghost is way better than being alive I'm watching Ellie cry and be forced to watch her father figure get murdered in front of her I felt like that was more emotional than being like he's dead and I'm happy about it because of all the stuff that we've spoken about regarding the set-up not making sense that emotional pay-off is not defined by how nonsensical it is I was about to say something like Ned Stark we mentioned that from Game of Thrones season 1 what I think makes that so powerful is the fact that all the events leading up made sense with both the plot and the characters when that scene happens it's emotional and isolation but what makes it so narratively powerful is everything that built to it added up it made sense Had Joffrey sent him to the wall we might have been talking about how that was out of character Joffrey everything happens according to how the characters are everything makes sense this character did this for this reason it's shocking because they can't do this this is the first season television is the main character this never happens but it added up with everything who the characters were that's what I think makes something like that a lot more satisfying to watch than Joel because what happened to Joel everything that built to that didn't add up so it just it is hard at the time when I was playing it I definitely felt it was forced after completing the game for me I just didn't focus on it anymore because I felt like the game went a completely different direction that I didn't see going I'm assuming you agree that the game is built on that event everything that comes next is the result of it that sets everything into motion that's why I was just like alright it happened he's dead and then of course he gets some flashbacks and you get to hang out with him a little bit more in the game and I enjoyed that stuff but do I wish he was actually in the game fighting with Ellie of course I do but the fact that he was killed in the manner he was he wasn't the worst onscreen death I've ever seen and it didn't work the worst onscreen death I've ever seen yeah sure I don't know what the worst Luke's death maybe Luke's was way worse oh I disagree oh my gosh I felt sick to my stomach Luke it's to go out treated like a hero at least doing something revered as something yeah he does something Joel doesn't even get to do shit man the best thing about Joel's death Ellie is next the best thing about oh and that you can get to fucking reconcile with her before death and as far as he knows she's gonna die also Luke it's to keep existing yeah he's got an eye on everybody and he can help them I wish he didn't seeing him like that in the Rise of Skywalker is almost more painful I will take the shots against TLJ any day of the week I'm cool with that the fact that Luke is riffing on TLJ in Rise of Skywalker was a little bit satisfying I enjoyed that stuff I was glad they were shitting on the last Jedi sounds like something Luke would say you know what he says in the Rise of Skywalker sounds like actually something Luke would say if he had to watch TLJ the thing with Luke's death is that it's befitting his character to even if I think he should have just been there on crate again his last act is befitting to his character and Joel's isn't yeah Joel's lost act if you can call it that is getting himself killed because he misunderstood the situation dramatically Joel's last act involves him being retarded all I will say though I did want to throw in a caveat the one thing I think they got right was his last line if you exclude exclamations of pain that's the line in the game it's a good Joel line like I said I don't want to show on it completely but I'm glad they allowed him that because the writers don't seem to like Joel very much in this game they claim they do well Ryan Johnson claims to like Star Wars I don't know I think that they I think they hate him I think they made him a villain I think that they had an idea and they thought alright we want to take gamers on a journey we want to make them they're so invested in our character so what happens if we make the gamers feel upset but then we try to make them question their own or they retcon their own game to make Joel a villain how do they make Joel a villain well he's treated he's treated as villainous and he's not he's stupid to the point of he's not even explaining his actions from the last game to Ellie like they cannot have Joel explaining himself to Ellie because that would totally vindicate him in every way and they recontextualize scenes from the first movie to see what's his name Abby's dad in The Last of Us 2 in terms of the details of how they change up the scenes and how they try to make the fireflies really great but Joel didn't do anything wrong Joel made absolutely 100% the right call in the first game yeah do you disagree with that janitor do you think that uh Joel doomed humanity when he saved Ellie no alright hold up wait wait wait wait wait I'm trying to remember what I said in my video Joel I'm trying to remember what I said in my video I think Joel doomed humanity this is the common thing that a lot of people who defend the game will say is that when Joel saved Ellie from the fireflies he robbed humanity of a chance at a cure or a vaccine for precepts and thus doomed humanity here's what I hate I don't know whether he did or not I guess for me I believe the story was trying to say yes he did I hate when I see comments like we don't know what the vaccine would have worked blah blah blah they would have just wrote that it worked I don't know we can't analyze it that way first of all just because the characters in universe think that it will work that is not enough to say it will work that's not enough to confirm that it will work secondly how they could get it to work is implausible should we break that down maybe in real life but not in this universe say realistic universe this would be another one that's built on about 15 different problems so if we want to take it south we'll go for it no actually I'm gonna hand this off to you because I have spoken enough and check it's crazy when I speak enough do it don't worry don't worry about chat janitor if you see anything mean they're just playing around I shut off chat a long time yeah chat you can even feel dog piled with with the chat I actually want to go back to my life and not feel like a piece of shit so I'm just kidding your fappers have been awesome to me tons of tweets at me people saying we respect your opinion but we think you're stupid blah blah I don't care the analytics are looking good so if you guys want to go to my channel to tell me I'm a piece of shit that's fine with me just make sure you watch and add it or two so well I guess again with structurally where do we start so you know what a vaccine is I don't know if I want to start with that one because a lot of people feel like you can write it off with in-game mystical knowledge I want to start with stronger ones I'm going to start from the end rather than the beginning with this one so let's say Joel fell over and died and he couldn't actually save Ellie and they got the cure out of it it works perfectly they generate infinite amounts of it and they start to deliver it to every corner of the world everyone gets it, injects it and woohoo we've done it what do you think happens then there is no part two um okay I'll I'll just, it's fine I'll redirect so in world we've managed to erase the chances of you turning into a flower plant zombie fungal zombie from spores and being bitten that's it you can no longer turn into one from having absorbed spores or being infected blah blah blah that is it because of the creatures actually killing you is still present as well as the dangers of all the factions being against each other and vying for resources of course we're in a world where civilization has completely fallen apart there's pockets of survivors um do you think the clickers rip your throat out so what I'm suggesting is even in the best case scenario which I don't even think is possible but let's just say it is in the best case scenario of everyone gets this cure does it really help that much considering the most common causes of death are actually just getting shot or getting your throat ripped out by a clicker so I would view it as this faction got the cure and they'll weaponize it word will spread that hey if you join this place they have a cure well so that's actually it's not a cure that bolsters my point though I'm pretending for a second that we don't even have that problem I'm going all the way over to it perfectly works and utopia is achieved or at least relatively what I'm trying to argue is even with the cure it really doesn't save humanity and it's not even close first of all they would need to be able to mass produce this thing no no we're ignoring all other elements for a second I just want to acknowledge that if we had everything work perfectly who fucking cares okay we have all the capacity to do this and Ellie's life is still in the balance I still think there's a conversation to be had I'm tracking and I just want to know that does everyone here acknowledge that so they're presenting that we can get everyone cured in a second as soon as we put a bullet through her fucking head I'd just be like yeah I don't know if that's worthwhile that really doesn't save that many lives or at least not as many as you probably think it does like Ellie like if everyone was like Ellie after they killed Ellie basically they can still die they can breathe spores and they can survive a bite but not they're throat being ripped out and not like dying of natural causes so it's like you're a long way from home at that point and I'd say more people are dying from each other at that point in the universe than from zombies they're kind of in the background for the most part there's a lot more conflict between the humans than there are of zombies like the zombies are still a big threat but for the most part they're keeping them out of the big city and some people need to clarify quickly some people are like why aren't you talking about the bubble we're about to involve all the other elements for why this can go wrong my point is to make the argument as refined as possible for the ultimate question of Ellie versus the world even with the rules presented in the game because I don't think it's possible we can go over all that in a second but Karen Rooks? Oh I was about to say remember that I feel like you're going to get into it but all of this as you said best fantasy case scenario if it's even possible and all that happened the faction fighting for the second game would still be just as it was yeah I would say the kill count or death rate whatever you want to call it it's still going to be really high up and having given the cure to everybody they're still going to be fighting they're still going to have their war that doesn't have anything to do with the cure so the ultimate point I'm just looking to see if this push back on is is Jola villain if that were the case and I'm still not willing to condemn as a villain but especially if he's operating on I personally don't care if he's a villain or not I like him I mean just like Breaking Bad where it's like okay is Walt the villain maybe but he's the most interesting character to watch like I don't care I personally don't care if he's a villain or not I just I like him because he is you know so the second game portrays him as such is kind of our issue I don't know I don't I I thought that they were just trying to I don't know I never really experienced that in the game where I felt like they were trying to say he was a villain that wasn't my personal experience she rips into him for having made the decision to save her as like a selfish one oh when Ellie's bitching him out yeah and he's like a puppy dog and he doesn't defend himself when he could just tell her everything and vindicate himself what I'm suggesting is that he has a case even in the best case scenario he has a case for what he did and that's not including everything else yeah he just all he has to do is explain to her what the information was and what the facts are and she'd be like oh shit I was wrong and that repairs the relationship an incredible amount but he just doesn't do it and it's the same once they have the relationship a certain way even though it doesn't make any sense there's been times where people have said things to me and I could snap back at him with something but it's like it wouldn't be snapping back it wouldn't be snapping back he just felt kind of caught off guard the problem is the heritage he would absolutely be trying to protect it from falling apart yeah he's being criticized for having saved her life which is something that he's probably going to feel the strongest that's possibly the thing he feels the strongest on in the whole world having saved her life the decision to save her life do you think Joel sits there and is like well would a vaccine even work no it's not he should be advocating for why he made that choice beyond oh I mean how about the fact that when they were marching him out they were going to march him out without his backpack well again I just wanted to get past this before we there's like thousands of arguments for why what he did was right I just wanted to stick to this one and then address that he didn't even bring that up because we can get two categories for that what do you think he would have argued in favor for his case and what he wouldn't have but that comes after establishing that I think he had a case even with the like I said the mystical fantasy that was the cure working all over the world for everybody I still think he does and he doesn't fight for himself whatsoever and the argument is like well you know he's struggling he's emotionally he's got this big argument coming from this from Ellie it's like the amount of times those two have clashed like the idea that he's just going to take it because he likes her that's absurd yeah this is what he cares about more than anything he was living a lie and he was finally caught and he was caught off guard and felt like shit what was the lie he was caught in he said that there was no that he was going to take her away and that there was no reason for her to but he doesn't he never speaks up for himself in future either it's not just that scene he just flat out refuses to tell her that there is an extremely good reason why I did all the things I did and it totally puts me in the right here and you being angry at me it's based on you I guess that's what we disagree whereas I don't think that in doing what he did I don't think that if he would have left Ellie there and just peaced out and be like alright good luck that they would have got a vaccine that was the start of this conversation though that's why I was trying to figure out why one would have that position you said you didn't care I didn't care about what was the part again so you've just said now that what he did was a bad thing right I mean oh yeah if you're looking at whether you're dooming humanity or saving one girl then you're not doing humanity what we've just been talking about for the past 10 minutes was me trying to explain how he hadn't doomed humanity I thought what part of that did you not agree with because it's a big deal because he wouldn't have saved humanity if I snap my fingers and cured cancer right now I wouldn't quote unquote save humanity and that's a way bigger deal than a vaccine would have been in that universe also how about the fact that Ellie and Dina are able to live in relative peace on a farm without any defenses outside of Jackson despite the zombies still being around seems like it's quite possible to live in peace I'm just saying it's quite possible to live in peace you know without this cure being out there you know what I mean a little off topic honestly I think that's a problem in and of itself I don't know anything about that yeah like the chances of you dying to something in the last of us universe like I spore infection and turning into a zombie person very low on that list yes very very low actually when everyone has masks like and the zones for the spores are often known if you have like a HQ usually like a door or something like that blocking it in like oh there's some spores like on your mask and then they go through it's like okay yeah like so again structurally what I was trying to do was explain that in the best case scenario he is still not made a bad decision and that's before we introduce all the other arguments which we can do now if you want to because it sounds like you are of the position that what he did was wrong we you're arguing like you guys I think dissect video games and movies a little bit different than me I've kind of somewhat been lost I'm not saying that your argument doesn't say that I've kind of drifted off and it's fine I could do it I'll do it again but I'll do it quicker and of course down for someone of my IQ please you're right you don't have to like self-deprecate is fine so what I was suggesting is let's say they kill Ali and they access to a cure they have mass production and they give it to the entire world and everyone's cured and as someone suggested in chat this could theoretically lead to an increase in population growth let's just say that that's what happened even with that that's the best case possible scenario I don't even think it's possible but let's just say that happened the decision to let someone be murdered for that against their will obviously it would be against their will at that point I think is a choice in our self that I don't think is a yes or no answer morally that's really fucking complicated because of the way the world works as Rags just brought up and we said the major cause of death in the world right now seems to be faction differences and the second major cause probably zombies basically tearing you to shreds from bleeding out from getting your neck thrown out from whatever infection deaths are actually pretty rare we don't even really see them in the game that often I think that having that vaccine gives you like some power just saying hey no no no no no that's going away from my point my point's very very specific Joel's decision to save or let die Ellie leading to the world getting a resistance to infection alone is that a yes or no choice or is it complicated like do you feel as though it's just a definitive bad I feel like yeah it's very complicated okay that's good because earlier you said he was definitely bad and we haven't even gone into all the other reasons yet right so keep that one in mind on top of that we have I mean I don't want to keep being the only one that's talking but this is probably going to be a bit of a free for all so yeah don't feel too gish galloped but there's a lot of points to go through first being a lot of people point out you can't actually get a vaccine for fungal infections yet like in real life but we'll have to pretend I suppose at best that the game is saying it's possible in their universe and they're going to do it like yeah zombies exist so yeah I guess you could say hey you know zombies existing don't contradict any real world information though I mean that this is a mystical fantasy science fiction kind of thing you have to make it that way in order for a vaccine to work against fungal infections and the other problem is the limited resources when he was around age 20 I guess this guy started working on it and managed to find the information and what I don't want to spend too long on that one because it's one of the weaker not as strong points at the other ones which are how the hell do they mass produce this thing how the hell do they mass deliver it I'd rather say they won't weaponize it as you brought up which is actually a bad thing not a good thing like they will use it as leverage against the entire world which why would why would anyone want them to be doing that like they can use it to kill people or control people however they want then of course there's the fact that Joel and Ellie got to make no choice about this then there's Joel having been walked out having all of his resources stolen from him he got it out into a zombie infested world and the fact that they welched on the deal the whole point of him delivering Ellie was so that he was going to get weapons from the fireflies they not only didn't give them to him but they stole his remember all he was supposed to do was bring her to the state house and it's like that just kept going and going he went insane extra mile with that so and they don't offer that at all so when you factor in all of these points along with the end result I don't know why anybody wouldn't have done what Joel did I would sleep I mean if you had like any kind of moral compass I would feel like how can I sleep at night knowing that knowing what sorry I'd let Ellie go okay just to clarify because earlier you said that you were sure that you'd done a moral bad then you said it was complicated now it sounds like you're saying I don't think that I mean I don't know if I said this before I don't know if I would be able to live with myself if it was me in that position I feel like I would make the same choice that Joel would because I am selfish I don't I don't that's not the reason that I use for saving her I can feel anyone compassion for other human beings compassion sure but I would feel like look I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing that I let this girl sure that doesn't that doesn't contradict doing it for you know doing something like that for multiple reasons like I'm fully in I'm fully in the camp of yeah sure pretty much every good thing you do does have a selfish component to it but wouldn't sign as the primary reason I do good things for other people are you trying to say that that if he had left her that would have been selfish not what he did and actually saved her if I know I I think saving her selfish because he that's what selfish it's not self left he was saying yeah he's put some self in a lot of and I mean just because there's a selfish component to it I don't think it's fair to categorize that is I mean maybe you're this way I'm not but I wouldn't say I'm doing that I'm saving this other person at great risk in parallel to myself because I'm selfish but I guess that's just speaking for me yeah I'm just interested in what you are you genuinely think is right or the wrong because the last of his two posits that he was definitely wrong and that's why I love this series is because I don't think that it creates discussions like this there's so many different sides there's so many different ways you could look at it I think it's pretty cut and dry though also I would argue it was we're talking about the last was one here having this we still be talking about this game we're talking about okay we're still talking about the holocaust we can only get it's bad wouldn't this imply the TLJ a piece of video game that's I've ever seen wouldn't that apply to TLJ TLJ everyone's everyone talked about TLJ for years if not still to this day so surely that's pretty awesome of TLJ to have done that I mean I could there's a person that literally made a two and a half hour long video in a way it's not a Mary Sue it's like yeah this is a thing that's still being discussed that doesn't mean that it's good it just means it's not forgettable it's unforgettably bad thank you I think it's pretty cut and dry that what Joel did was the correct decision based on the information and I think we have a lot of info to use I don't think it's close in fact have you guys heard of Tsushima? no I haven't gotten to play it no it's amazing I've heard it's good all the ethical discussion we're having is explicitly on the first game from the second one the second one we haven't even left the building that they're in that's fine because like I said the whole game is built on Joel's death so structurally speaking it's important that we spend a decent amount of time on that the second big discussion we've been having is it so cut and dry to condemn Joel and it's like absolutely not in fact I would go the opposite way someone just called me beyond slow in this you have no idea buddy you ain't even close to the slow people we've been introduced to oh boy I embrace it so someone calls me slow I promise you that does not upset me it took me 7 years to graduate from college but you know what I did it sweet more than a lot of people do so I'm sorry if I got us off track oh that's just us that's EFAP welcome to the show combining everything we said right and that's on top of the they prevent Joel from seeing and they put him at gunpoint when he tries to resist that I don't know like the idea that we it was so clear Joel should have just gone like there's loads of people believe that thoroughly that Joel should have just fucked off after all that they've just done simply under the promise that the world is saved by this vaccine and of course the world of T the last of us 2 believes that that's what Joel did and that's how he did it wrong and a lot of reviewers and sort of critics will be like the game is holding him account for what he's done like he fucked up in the first game I know why he did it he loved Ali and saved and stuff but you know it was the wrong decision and a lot of us are stuck all the way back at what do you mean this is a decision that I think everybody would have made and given the option like of course not everybody is Joel as in like they can't use guns and kill everyone and savor and everything but the suggestion that if someone was like you can go 2 pathways commit to having Joel's timeline or commit to you just leave you have no you have no resources whatsoever you don't know what's happened into that girl in there you don't know if they can save the world and they've just kicked you out while like I said welching on the deal that's the superior moral choice and again of course everyone can hold their own perspective on what exactly was the good or bad choice I just find it fascinating to try and argue that what he did was the definitive bad which I feel is what the last of us to is trying to do just for the world that if that makes any sense I felt like his decision robbed the world of getting that vaccine I think I think Rob the the replies at the most the I think I think a lot of this assumes that they're going to be very altruistic and magnanimous in their distribution of this cure too if anything it might be it legitimately might be best for the world that there's no cure instead of the cure being controlled by an evil faction and let's not forget they knock him out when he's trying to deliver CPR to a drowned child and then when he wakes up that's what we take off from from all those other things we're bringing up and she wasn't even told that they were going to kill her and they're doing it what in the same day that they got a hold of her they don't even run there's no way they've run every test that they would need to run on literally what they perceive as the source of the cure it's absolutely absurd and if I was told all of this I'd be like oh you guys are evil I understand can we talk about the cerebellum by the way I don't know how far you want to go with because I don't know if a lot of people aren't convinced because they want to hand wave it as in universe logic right well when Ellie is searching the hospital she finds this little note from Abby's dad pointing it's an illustration of a brain right and Ellie the note says by this time tomorrow we'll have changed the course of history or something I've got the screenshot right here so it's circling a part of the brain that I identified as the cerebellum and I looked it up the cerebellum is the most popular part of the brain for brain tumors to grow and people have been able to safely remove brain tumors from the cerebellum since like the late 1800s so I don't know why they can't remove a bit of the specimen in Ellie's brain in the cerebellum without killing her they should be after antibodies anyway that's what they should be looking for also none of this matters in terms of Joel's decision yeah that's true but I'm just saying in the meta context of like did Joel doom humanity right this is calling into question the doctor's competence yeah of which I think is like the doctor is fucking absurd in that game I'm not saying it has anything to do with Joel's decision making process I'm just saying if we're talking about whether or not Joel doomed humanity that relies on the idea that the doctors are confident enough to do this and I don't think that they are also the world seems to be better off in the second game by what we see so clearly people like applying real life medicine to a zombie story is a bit silly like what if you're going to have a realistically presented game and you can't just say oh zombies aren't real therefore we can hand wave away anything else that isn't realistic people are in trouble with me having said antibodies it's like the fucking thing is arguing that they're getting a vaccine for this shit like what else would that mean like I don't know this is the thing this the game is fucked on this point it has to actually build its own in universe sort of rules for how this works otherwise we have to rely on real life stuff which is what they are doing it's really fucked and you know what's funny again I really want to push that the last of us two seem to just make the choice definitively the scene with the doctor wrestling with the fact that oh I gotta kill this girl save the world it sucks and you know would you make the choice to sacrifice your daughter and she's like you know dad I'd want you to do it I just want to be in that room and be like guys do you have any idea what's going on in this hospital you they just found two people what like I said one of them was drowned you knocked out the guy who was trying to save a life and then you've got him at gunpoint taking all of his resources and told him to fuck off well we've put his daughter figure under a fucking out of static and we're gonna kill it like do you think this is cool like they portrayed as such heroic characters doing the right thing and then brutally murdered by Joel it's just like you guys are fucking villains yeah you don't even ask for her consent you don't wake her up you don't say hey here's what we're gonna have to do are you okay with this give her the dignity of knowing that she's going to die for a noble cause you know at least as she would believe as they would believe now they're just gonna instantly kill her yeah it's like textbook how to create an evil faction with the fireflies it's almost it's almost kind of annoying because I think it removes a huge point of the moral ambiguity in the first game because they are portrayed to be so which I think is why they did it I think in the first game they were like let's make it so that it's not like if they welcomed Joel and they were like hey buddy here's your guns thank you very much hey Ellie are you okay with the you know the fact that this may kill you to save the world and she's like yes and then Joel walks away like I guess this is goodbye walks outside and then walks back in and you start shooting everybody to save it all of us would be like what the fuck dude instead they generated it so that we can all be like hmm hmm I don't know I don't know I think I might have done what he did and again the second game was like I'm sorry we're committing to the he did a bad now I'm sorry I actually think because they did it in the second game that they would have like remastered the first game to actually have a different ending a more clear cut that he was a bad guy ending if they could if they're going to stick with the second game being you know quote-unquote correct then they are going to have to they already tried that that's what's so annoying I think you guys had all the biology details too much the Vaxi makes no sense how much time we spent on everything other than the biology aspects we're avoiding that for the most part I said twice that we're staying mostly away from it because we've got lots of other things to appeal to also Jan is a what do you think we're going to talk about this video for 10 minutes that was my understanding for 10 minutes and we can move on so we don't have to quit I have to defend myself against you for I'm just kidding it's fine we can talk about it for as long as you guys want I mean I'm cool we're just talking about the game there's less about your video at this point more so about what you what your perception of the game is and obviously I think I mean it's I still I still I liked it you know you can poke as many holes in it as you want and I'm not going to say the holes that you're poking in it don't make sense you know if you want to dissect it as much as you are well we're really big on the whole your argument your different things so I mean like we like things that are terrible we like things that are great we like things that are okay those things for us that's kind of one of our that's one of the things we do is we try to separate the enjoyment of something in its quality in terms of its writing and everything so for us that's just that's what we do we get we get we got to deal with it ourselves sometimes sometimes you got to be like yeah I like that thing but it's really bad well well that's fine though okay there's plenty more in terms of story beats that we could cover I think I think we've hit two big ones Joel's death is entirely contrived and him being portrayed as having made a immoral choice is absurd I would say that we've covered them pretty well it's enough that single-handedly kind of wrecks the game and then there's like hundreds of hours of content that you can squeeze out of talking about every single plot point in this game and why none of it makes sense yeah I mean I don't know if there's any is there an area you'd want to hit southpaw before the idea of switching topics comes up because I don't know how much Janitor wants to talk about it or not I mean I don't know as long as you guys want but it's entirely up to you guys I mean if you're really up for it do you want to talk about the decision to like Ellie's decision to not kill Abby at the end oh boy yeah sure why not do it so when Ellie decides she's got yeah exactly she's got Abby finally in her hands and she's choking her to death and also drowning her at the same time too and she makes this last second decision what what informs that decision what development has Ellie gone through with Abby that makes her think that Abby is a person that doesn't deserve to die that just in that moment when she was choking her and she did a flashback right she had her drowned and then did a quick flashback to her talking to Joel I think she something about that flashback was about forgiveness or something I don't know I realize that killing this girl killing this girl isn't going to bring me any kind of happiness and for me while I was playing it I enjoyed playing Abby so much that I thought that part of the game was fascinating to me because I'm sure you guys hated Abby oh yeah she's a terrible person I actually killed her I actually enjoyed playing as her and so for me to be Ellie and the game telling me hurt Abby I felt more I felt conflicted for the first time I'm playing a game and I'm being told to kill someone and I don't want to not when Abby was not when you were fighting Ellie as Abby at the very end when you were Ellie and you were fighting Abby in the water for me I was like I felt like Ellie don't do this that's really how I felt and I thought that that was that's why the game was so good to me one of that sequence where it made me feel like look I actually don't want to kill this person does Ellie have the same reasoning as you did for feeling that way about Abby? I was about to say why do you think she was like it was kind of stupid because obviously she's killed so many people like the whole game is her killing 400 people to get to that point so obviously I could see but then you got to say look that's the gameplay and this is the story they didn't have to have that stuff in there they could have contextualized all that stuff to be totally justified and much the same way that Joel killing people was in the first game that's something that they decided to make their game they're not obligated to make anything for their game yeah in universe it doesn't make sense I'm happy that you felt that way I definitely didn't feel that way nothing that I saw of Abby and her campaign made me think anything differently of a person that had no qualms and murdering someone who's just saved her life in a prolonged brutal manner without telling him why it was happening I think even before then there's an issue if someone told me that hey somebody killed your dad and I'm like oh fuck why because your dad was trying to murder an innocent girl I'm like oh well he murdered an innocent girl yeah it baffles me that Abby didn't want to interrogate Joel yeah the idea that she has all of this the idea that Abby knows that they're going to kill a girl without asking her if she's okay with it and she's like and she's upset at the girl's father for coming back and killing your dad because he was trying to murder this girl is like I couldn't I could not take revenge on somebody who did that to my dad in that position because I'm like well my dad was trying to murder the girl like of course the girl's dad killed my dad I can't believe I'm about to say these next words rags but in defense of Abby it's consistent with her characterization in the flashback where she's like where she's going to her dad and is like if it were me on the operating table I would want you to do it basically yeah but she's aware that other people aren't here right apparently not I understand why she did but she is not morally in the clear on this one at all precisely like from the get go Abby's bad yeah and you know just to put it into perspective if we've got this girl and we all agree she's gonna have to die to save literally every person on the planet right now makes them immortal and invincible and we go to do it and rags as the surgeon and he gets shot in the head by a guy running into the room who's the fucking father did agree to it I'd be like yeah I know why that guy did that I know why the idea that I'd be mad at him for having killed rags and not understanding he's doomed the world would be part of why I would interrogate the fuck out of him when I get to him I'd be like do you know what you did do you know what you did by killing rags the doggo the only one who could actually make this vaccine you fuck I mean I feel like the reason they don't have Abby talking to Joe like this is because if they had a conversation about it Abby would be like oh fuck like really oh wow I'm wrong oh yeah I'm totally in the wrong here I have absolutely zero moral ground to stand on and if she went through it with if she went through it anyway then that would just make her seem all the worse because she blatantly recognize it and she'd still do it and the game so I die a lot near analogies Mahler you also kill a couple of two either yes it's a very give and take in the analogy world the game goes out of its way to try to get you to not condemn Abby for these actions by the way they really want you to gloss over the fact that she's kind of a horrible person because they'll they'll show her being nice to children and animals with very somber music playing in the background so it's just okay so just get a little collage of photos of Adolf Hitler playing with animals and playing with children and you know add some sad music it get my heart will go on playing in the background you know and then maybe we'll realize you know what that Adolf Hitler guy he wasn't so bad Abby didn't have to interrogate him she wanted to kill him I just about highlight that yeah that's our issue yeah like the if someone if I learned that someone had murdered my father like randomly not not even randomly for a specific reason because because Abby is operating under the information that she knows that Joel is the father of Ellie and Ellie was the person they were going to murder right so even then Abby should be like you know we just discussed that a moment ago but the idea that you just kill him without like asking why or why you know why'd you do it what's going on here like was this some random act of violence she she'd not want any sort of explanation how about letting him know why you're doing it he doesn't even know who you are yeah if anything even if she's going full full I don't know beast mode or whatever she'd be like I am this person and here's why I'm killing you if I wanted to know if I if I just family sorry finally found the person who who killed my dad I would definitely want answers especially in this context like why did you do it or just try to explain who I am like this is why you're dying or you know at least ask him why he did it before killing him Jesus someone such at no rags only her friend might have this hesitation like what based on what no not at all like what you don't think people want to know why somebody killed your loved one like I bet most people would want to know why their loved one was murdered by somebody else you think do you think it'd be too hard to figure that out though why I mean well here's the thing Abby should know why already because they I forget how fast and loose they play with Abby's understanding of the whole context of everything but as far as I know from the flashbacks or yeah Abby knows why they're murdering Ellie yeah she's literally there when Marlene and her dad are having that conversation yeah so Abby knows why and that just makes her whole revenge thing like really it's really not a morally correct decision I understand why right that doesn't make it a morally correct decision to do especially given the context and the more context that she learns the worse and where it makes Abby look for doing this where it falls apart as we're supposed to sympathize with her and we're called bad people for not sympathizing with her when do they call you bad people for not I'm sure they don't directly say that but when's the scene where they're like oh you're we get told that we hate Abby just because she has muscles or we can't relate to a woman with muscles we're called incels for wanting I mean yeah it happens all the fucking time it's not just when you're saying ironically it happens unironically all the time with the people that defend this game we're expected to I thought you were talking about in the game not outside I was at first two I think that it's definitely the intended the intended reaction from the developer that you're supposed to sympathize with her and it's notable given that while the game goes and bends over backwards to make her seem more sympathetic than she really is and the fans of the game that think that the game is great will go yeah I like Abby I think that she's a good person the people made this game have a very very strange concept of justice like Ellie killing Abby at the end would be justice because Abby murdered Joel for immoral reasons I felt like all that Abby had suffered so like you you walk up and she's being crucified I don't care I just felt like she at that moment I was like this woman has suffered enough yeah but she's suffering for things that don't have anything to do with why she needs justice for her murder yeah this is my whole trouble with the ending and why it's like Ellie dying would also be justice yeah man they fuck around with Ellie like it's all like shit yeah it makes it so you really don't care about either of them this point everyone sucks so whatever yeah I would have definitely I would have definitely killed them absolutely Joel Joel needs to be avenged that's that's the point of the game just a root for anyone everyone's shit it's great great storytelling very engaging I the point is you're supposed to be apathetic as to what happens I mean it's all centered on the fact that nobody fucking talks to each other nobody actually talks this shit out everyone just acts exact like that's the trouble that I have is like if you do this if you have like a character spare another character out of revenge they need to have dialogue so they understand each other like Ellie and Abby don't know each other at all they never have a conversation about Joel about any of it and it's just like why do these these characters hate each other for surface level reasons and you're just like you guys need to talk this out to understand each other more but they don't they just fight and that's it I janitor like what do you what do you I think this kind of stemmed from the idea of like why did Ellie spare Abby why do you think it's just because she was being crucified like you think that um why did it yeah I think that she rolled up ready to kill saw everything that she had gone through and then like her like moral compass was like alright I need to cut this girl down like this is terrible and so she does that and then she's letting her go and it's like wait a minute I came all this way like I can't let you get away and then right before she gets what she finally wants she realizes that that's not gonna bring her peace and she lets her go how lucky for Abby she realized that of the 217th kill you know if you kill someone in America you flee the country and then you get wrongfully incarcerated in Mexico guess what you still have to fucking require justice in America that's like and if your life has really shit down in Mexico for completely unrelated things like that doesn't absolve you of the murder that you committed earlier I I mean I've had experiences I don't want to talk about anything too specific but I've had experiences where there's someone that I absolutely hate that they're you know they wronged me in a way where you know I could never forgive them blah blah blah and then when it comes time to finally you know there was a day where I literally showed up to a courtroom someone someone broke into my house and when there was a time where you know they received some level of justice but that there was a time where I could really lay into them I could sue this person beyond that I could sue them into the ground and for me I was like I don't think that that will make me happy and that was a turning point for me personally where I was like look I just want to end this I don't want to go through any more legal battles I don't want to have to live with the fact that I'm suing this person to the ground like I just want this to be over and so maybe that's why I identified with it I think you wanting a process to be over because you know legal action requires you know time and money and effort and all that sort of stuff I'd say that that's a different reason than having someone almost drowned and you need to keep them under there for another few seconds I just think at that moment Ellie thought that it wouldn't bring her happiness and that's what I got from the game that killing her wouldn't make her feel whole it wouldn't make me happy that I mean if I was Ellie even if Abby's death was purely emotionless even then she still deserves to die like regardless of how it makes me feel does Ellie deserve to die too or oh fucking everyone deserves to die well I mean we could talk about that if you wanted to every single person she kills in the game and the people are going to be trying to kill I'm pretty sure you could prove every single person she kills is probably going to try and kill you if you do nothing in the game so yeah you can't just go through an area and expect people to just let you walk by I mean you can play through the game like that it makes every single time you kill someone it's justified because you're defending yourself yeah they have a really odd framework for how all this stuff sort of works um uh I if I was in charge of this game obviously a lot of stuff would be different but the way that I contextualize all of the combat and stealth encounters would be totally different yeah it'd be interesting if you could like randomize like NPCs actually not bothering you and letting you go you should be able to hide bodies that's a big thing well I was just thinking like they should have it be so that there's a there's always that thought in the back of your mind that if you like if you stealth kill someone instead of try sneaking past them you wonder would they have like let me go or not like that could have been kind of interesting but it can't really work in the setting of the story I'm just spitballing here you have to find some reason for why you're actively engaging in self-defense at all times against people who are looking to try and kill you yeah or you have to have a scenario where I mean if the point of your game is that you don't know you could factor that in in some degree but if this is just a revenge plot against a particular individual and you're trying to get to them um you're gonna have to come up with some reason why you're just bathing in blood all the way there I mean I suppose I mean I agree that I mean she killed so many people to get to that point why would you stop there I guess you know I agree with that but that's the person who deserves it the most is where she stops yeah the only kill that I can't justify in the game at least briefly thinking about it is Abby's kill of Joel everything else is usually gonna be a self-defense argument Mel for example trying to attack her with a knife when she's pregnant and wants to protect her baby it's like wow okay well they need that to happen so that she is distressed by having killed a pregnant woman well I was about to say yeah so that Abby can then find them at the theater it all makes sense Evan okay yeah we all know the reason that that seemed to have gone very differently if she had made it clear she's pregnant from the get-go oh yeah which in fact it might have been better because remember how Abby reacts to learning someone's pregnant Ellie desperately killing a pregnant woman to save her own life probably would weigh on her more even like knowingly shooting her when she knows I can't believe that Ellie had this map with a bunch of landmarks in Seattle and she circled a landmark it wasn't just a random building too well like the theater was a landmark in the city and it's marked on the map already she doesn't have to circle it but she circles it so that when Abby finds it she knows exactly where to go you need to remind herself where she was before she needs to remind herself where she was going back to that's it no it's just like no that's the part of the reason why the map thing is so bad is because she circled that part of the map I agree the map part is really bad we were just talking about the moral implications of you know killing death and constantly adjusting I agree the map thing is bad though plot hole the map yeah I'm sorry I just had to get that out but yeah the idea that Abby is in any way sympathetic when she takes like joy in the idea that she's killing a woman especially because she's pregnant is like man what an indefensible bitch the defense for that is that it's not pleasure rags it's that she sees it as balancing the scales and so she is glad that someone on their side is now going to experience what it's like to lose an unborn child or some shit like that that's just worse in a different way of course because I'd be like what the fuck is wrong with you person you hate kills an innocent person you're like I'm going to kill your innocent person how do you like it's like what the fuck that doesn't you're just as bad as they are what do you mean now you're horrible you spent like 10 hours trying to convince me that this is a good person that Abby's a better person than Ali then it's like she's pregnant good like oh great oh now I want you to die because you're a horrible horrible again another improvement she says she's pregnant Abby looks down looks up looks down and then Lev says let's go like and Abby chooses herself to stop killing Tina because she's pregnant Lev is like hey don't do it fuck it at least the worst person when she kills a pregnant woman in self defense then Abby is when she is going to knowingly kill a pregnant woman by the way, Ellie did not know that Mel was pregnant when she stabbed her she didn't know then she finds out and she feels bad about it afterwards and she finds out is like oh great double kill oh it's crazy everything about every significant scene in the game has so many fucking issues so many corrections that are required yeah I guess the overall thing we would just get that was the choice to spare what do you want me to reply to oh I'm cool with general thoughts about everything we were talking about I guess I still feel the same way I did at the very beginning when I said something about Ellie killing Abby I don't even fucking remember I'm sorry guys I've had a couple beers I think the flashback too would have pushed Ellie further towards killing Abby because that was the conversation where she would realize that this woman robbed their chance at reconciliation I thought the conversation they were having was something about forgiveness if I remember correctly she says I can't forgive you but maybe a can in future or whatever the point being the relationship is now beginning the mend it's on the mend but then he dies Abby robs that from I would argue that not only is she upset that Joel is dead she's upset that she never got you know fix the relationship with him and in that moment she would also probably be a little bit miffed that she just got like lost both of her fingers and I want to I want to make sure we understand it's like a I totally believe internet historians theory that originally the scene just ran as it was and then they decided to shove the flashbacks in there because they were unsure if the audience was understanding what the fuck's even happening and I actually think that flashbacks make it even harder to understand I the flashback would if I was Ellie the flashback would make me just strangle her harder because was a flat was was not it wasn't technically a flashback because we don't see that scene I thought until after right well we don't see it until later no no no it's it's a literal flash she sees Joel and then it flashes forward again right but we haven't the audience hasn't seen it I'm trying to remember correctly we know what obviously in post we can now analyze what was going through ahead at that point or at least right as one of just the think was going through ahead of that point yeah Ellie would know and then while if there was zero flashes to anything and she was just giving up on it because she's so fucking exhausted of killing like I could possibly give that interpretation but showing Joel to me when you kill a new I was like all right let's continue I get that because they didn't explain it yet the the Martha scene in BVS is arguably a better executed version of this payoff yes no there's there's a clear through line to why that happens as stupid as it is unlike the last of us two yeah no I think that the BVS one is super easy to fix don't fucking make their both their mom's names the same that's retarded just have him ask him to save his mother that's all you need to do yeah Lex has my mom and then he realizes that he's like I have a mom like that you could yes you don't need to do any flashes you just have Batman stop and think he's like fuck you have a mom Jesus or like here's an idea the the movie open with the 16th rendition of Thomas and Martha Wayne getting murdered you have a shot in that little in that little scene that is a mirrored later on when Batman's about to kill Superman as he sees Lois like in terror trying to protect so now Batman a thug murderer yeah that is interesting see you could I mean that's such a better execution than what we got but the point is the execution that we got is still better than the last of us part two hmm but not better than the Snyder cut I mean that remains to be seen I'm sure the Snyder cut will beat out it's a sleek but who knows I have faith in the Snyder cut I believe I'm always a sucker for that stuff though I wish they just gone full-tism and had Batman say why do you want to save my mom no like I I'm not saying that that scene in BVS is good it's really bad it's really funny bad but ugh crazy that we got something even worse what would you say what were you saying is worse the Abby Ellie part yeah Ellie sparing Abby it's like it's a worse executed version of the Martha scene from BVS you guys think there'll be a last of us three no no I don't I don't think so anymore like if this was a well-received game that people liked I would say yeah there might be but I would side on the negative here yeah I don't know if it's a good idea for them to make a third one but I wouldn't put it past them it's possible this one made a lot of money and that's all the suits care about at the end of the day they'll be like yeah make another one I guess not to say I don't imply that I think Neil Druckman is motivated solely by money I think he's he's definitely motivated by his own creative vision that's totally fine I just mean the people who produce all of it I think he didn't he say like he wasn't sure or something he said he said he was done with the last of us a story right at one point and then like years later he was like actually no there's more I want to ruin they did a little live event where they reenacted scenes from the first game and it ended this happened in 2014 it ended with the scene from the beginning of the second game where Joel sings to Ellie it's the exact same scene like right down to the dialogue and Neil Druckman originally said that that was him saying goodbye to Joel and Ellie and just went back on that one I think I have a feeling we'll end up seeing a part 3 well I can't wait you play as Abby through the whole thing it's gonna be awesome I guarantee you Abby's in it I hope that she dies after Abby or Ellie even I will only buy it and play it if the game opens and Abby's going to where she thinks like the fireflies are it's just like one random dude all by himself and she's like I thought you were 200 strong and then out comes Bill from the first game and then Tommy comes out and he's holding the golf club that she used to kill Joel the nine yep I'd be so happy with that that's how I would buy the last of us part 3 anything else I'm good and yeah I'm with that I'm more than happy to move on to a video if you guys want to I think I would for one welcome it we've probably gone over a little why we take issue with I don't know if you've picked up but we're trying to avoid saying like this thing was bad because we didn't like the choice rather we're just trying to point out where things are contradictory or contrived to try and base everything in a structural sense we're like oof the last of us too what it was trying to do is one thing how it did what it was trying to do is mainly what I have my issues with hell yeah and you know I don't I'm not trying to say without another you guys are wrong and I'm right or whatever just that you know I got a different viewpoint and my viewpoint I thought was a little bit interesting because I didn't see anyone else having the viewpoint I had which is you know wanting to hate it and end up liking it and that's why I made the video that I made and you know I liked it you guys didn't and that's you know luckily we're not talking about politics although we can if you guys want no let's go to a video I'm alright so there's a link lands so this one funnily enough is is about movies about about superhero movies specifically and for the lucky few in chat who may have seen I think Jay was streaming randomly and he told me about this video and he was like you gotta you gotta see it because he likes this creator but he was not a fan of this video and so we watched it and the point that they make is quite interesting dare I say amazing and so we're gonna play it on here the first time we cover it it's called Nude Stalger I think is Nude Stalgic is the channel just know what he needs to loo no problem I started mine I think he's your standard sort of a fear for video essays I don't know how good his main line content is I watched it but I was so interested in this one that I was like you know what I don't have any fap as well of course I probably would have invited Jay here if not for the last of us to discuss what stop it I'm not watching anything I don't even know what this actually is there's like some weird anime there's loads of animations that are like recommended with watch together somehow Australians manage to end up in the stream terrifying oh it was me I clicked something I didn't know that was controlling everything so once Rax is back we'll give it a check out I suppose the the only thing you need to know going in is well who here has seen Shazam I've never heard I've jumped across them I know southpaw has seen it I don't know what you're talking about I don't think I've ever heard of this I think that one's like the main movie for references in the point being made in this video but a couple of others we got brought up like Man of Steel yeah I mean if everyone's ready let's just test it first do you guys see the video excellent we see in Shazam yeah I see him alright excellent well here we go let's check out again this is like going in blind it's called the one word ruining superhero fight scenes superhero fight scenes I have a question about Shazam though my question about Shazam is if if mild mannered whoever turns into Shazam and he takes off the suit right and he like sells it away or something the next time he turns into Shazam is he going to have a suit on with him or is the suit gone forever I guess they try to imply that it's not possible to take off the suit because there's a scene in the montage where he tries to he has to pee after he's drank a lot of the soda and he can't so he quickly turns back into a kid and then does his business and turns back into Shazam there's nothing really indicating that he can take off the suit when he's in that form alright okay you guys speak right now or something you're like a mile away from me right now that was a very very funny joke in Kung Fu Panda 2 by the way damn I can't remember that it's been so long since I've watched Kung Fu Panda 2 Electric Fugilu that's a shame Kung Fugilu I should say Kung Fugilu Kung Fugilu you were the filmmaking problem let's set the scene you're hearing an echo? I am definitely hearing an echo I am hearing an echo as well that's from Janitor who was bought it I'm the one and the echo I got my stuff playing through my they might want me to just push the talk who's it coming over? headphones we gotta know Evan how's it like to finally hear what an echo sounds like oh it feels good to be on this side I I'm glad to not be in that world anymore try it again I muted the see if it works alright for beings you know about them they are adversaries they're engaged in a fight and they're here both up in the sky high above the populace and the collateral damage they're likely causing here's the question how do you as a filmmaker make whatever happens next interesting? well I might have got infinite options right? some sort of a conflict I think between the characters maybe ideology differences some something for the stakes there's a lot that goes into it so I would say it helps if I have an understanding of what these characters weaknesses are and how they can be harmed or damaged that always helps I need to know if they can be killed if they can be damaged or injured or they can lose the fight in some way it helps if I know what the potential for collateral damage is I don't want innocent people dying and skyscrapers going down and that sort of thing so that could make me invested in the fight and how that could be interesting you have the personal relationship between the villain and the hero as was elaborated on a moment ago why are they fighting do they not want to fight but they feel like they're forced into fighting oh also nudity always makes things more interesting that's why we watch Aquaman my friend so yeah there's a large amount a big huge amount of ways to make a superhero fights interesting I've seen plenty of interesting superhero fights so it can definitely be done there are ways to do it I mean yeah in addition to all that I guess what this guy is trying to say given that he's talking about all the possible collateral damage is that they aren't accounting for potential collateral damage from their super heroics which is like that they should make movies about that that could be really cool yeah that could make it pretty interesting too bad that they never ever make movies about that shame and so if they were to I wonder how people would like it feel like it would be unfairly maligned if they did yes one could say that there would be like a civil war in the fandom that one's too on the nose he's taking the too far yeah that's the this movie DC's 2019 coming of age superhero movie Shazam you're probably struggling to answer that question see Shazam which I think is otherwise a very good movie and one of DC's best wait hang on because look you're in a minority with me again that Shazam is fucking bad like a lot of people really love this film and Ioni sold good things so when I watched it I was like oh wow this is way worse than I thought it was going to be so I'm gonna give my opinion on Shazam real quick go for it I watched it in the theater and because it was a DCEU movie I wasn't expecting it to be good and I ended up kind of enjoying it because the comedy was it worked for me the chemistry between the actors clicked and everything and the more major emotional payoffs were fine but when I see a movie and I enjoy it I'm gonna go see that again I saw it again after that there's a fuck ton that's wrong with this movie because the jokes the stuff that made me forgive much of the movies shortcomings diminishing returns jokes aren't as funny necessarily when you're seeing them repeated over and over again and then what you have just left is the story and Dory is not well written do you want to try to get through this together real quick because I'm drawing a blink on like a couple of things I know that they're like one of the first big things for me is the fact that the reason that Billy the protagonist of this movie gets powers is because the villain fails to eliminate the wizard that gives him his powers when he has the motivation and the means to do so I would have to rewatch the film to be able to give you a lot of references the one that I'll never fucking forget was the seeing the TV that allows him to that blew my mind in terms of how lucky it is and I think a lot of people were just like oh it's a superhero movie who cares and I was like oh yeah so I guess to provide context for that there's a scene where Freddie is pissed Freddie is the crippled kid that's friends with Billy Freddie gets pissed with Billy over reasons that are really stupid and we can talk about them later but for the moment that context isn't quite relevant they're arguing and shortly after this argument occurs Billy gets into a fight with the villain of the movie a guy called Savannah they end up in a shopping mall Freddie sees them end up in the shopping mall decides to chase after these two similarly very strong powered individuals and Billy escapes he runs away from the fight he realizes that he can't defeat this guy and during the chaos he slips away in the crowd and Savannah is looking for him and Freddie going like Billy where are you in the shopping mall where this is happening Freddie is standing right next to a TV screen showing him arguing with Billy in his superhero form he's just standing next to a TV in the mall that just happens to be playing this footage that couldn't have been more than a few minutes old and the fact that you actually rewind the scene where they're having this argument the people that are with the news are actually walking away and not filming this argument so it's like okay so the news shouldn't even have this footage then and that's how the bad guy somehow he figures out that this Billy must be the superhero that this kid was arguing with on TV he just deduces that this kid would have information on how to get to the superhero that he's fighting um it's really it's a really crazy contrivance that ends up affecting how the rest of the third act plays out and of course there's way more to it like I said I would have to rewatch it though because I've kind of flushed a lot of it out at this point but I watched it with metal commander you guys may have heard of him we had a nice bit of alcohol too we thought we would be going for the best DC movie to come out in the DCEU which is what almost all of them have been portrayed as before I get to finally see them but I'm like oh this is just like the rest of them fucking Aquabad oh that one's the good one guys that one's the good one Wonder Woman is the good one, remember Wonder Woman with its amazing third act reveal of Aries and the CGI fight and everything that completely contradicts the really interesting theme that could have made the movie legitimately pretty good it was great but we were both we were both really surprised by how to have a lot of the right in ones but I don't have to rewatch to get more references obviously just a small tangent to let people know Shazam is an interesting one it's not good, okay it's the second best DC movie it's better than Aquaman, it's better than the first is Wonder Woman's the best but Wonder Woman's okay for the first two thirds of the movie then the final one looks like it's gonna be fucking awful wait they're making a sequel to Wonder Woman I thought that was a sequel to Cats dude when I saw that trailer I was already really pessimistic about what they were doing with all of it and then that ending of the trailer I was like oh my god why would they put that in the trailer don't I was laughing harder at Pedro Pascal's hair I wonder who that's supposed to be but yeah Shazam it's the second best DCEU film but that's just because the rest are absolute trashfires and Shazam has some redeeming qualities but yeah Mauler if you want to at some point I actually have Shazam save to my hard drive I'd be happy to share that with you and we could maybe watch that together and I could upload that to my channel just us reacting to this wonderful movie oh maybe we could set up a recording on both ends do any fat movies on our side and then you can do whatever you want on your side we'll get rags to see it it'll be wonderful record both my ends hell yeah and we need to do the same with Dark Knight Rises too I have to see rags reaction to the Dark Knight Rises I've never seen it, I've never seen it yet so that would be a first for me to to watch and see fresh and new oh and don't forget I got you guys to agree we're gonna watch Toy Story 4 all together again if Cinema Wins decides to make a video on Toy Story 4 do you think he's just abandoning that project or I think it's quite possible that might be the one movie that he is not willing to defend as far as I'm concerned Riser Skywalker broke him in terms of having to defend shit the fact that he rolled out pretend it's what you wanted I think it's over that could be his new intro pretend it's what you wanted I just have to highlight this comment in chat Shazam is a good movie it's not a violent adult type movie it wasn't supposed to be that way so there's the scene the boardroom scene kinda crazy how out of place it is in this movie but okay alright but like that wasn't even what we were talking about yeah that's the other thing it's completely unrelated to what we were talking about yeah I don't care if it's for kids also why would you even why would you be in the eFap chat saying it's for kids don't do it stay away run okay anyway so this guy isn't making a point about whether or not Shazam is good it's just something I want to talk about yeah we're doing great I'm so sorry I invited it because like I said I don't know that Shazam's been discussed on eFap before so there you go everyone we're not a fan did we cover we watched a video that the director did some of the deets and some of that stuff was interesting to get some insight into oh yeah I love the filmmaking process and having like this thing was fucked up because these people couldn't make it or these sets weren't ready or these designs were all fucked up I like knowing all of that stuff it doesn't change what the reality of the end product is though of course like we wouldn't be able to be like oh well I think the one I always reference because I feel like it just gets the point across even though it's a little bit rough person dying meaning you can't have that character at all now obviously we're trying to circumvent that these days but let's pretend for a second that you have to write them out of your story it's probably going to damage the story unless of course you can really make it work the go-to example I think a lot of people often have is Gladiator I forget the actor's name but he's like the best actor in the fucking film and he dies Anthony Hopkins? he's not in Gladiator he's not dead oh I for a moment for some reason I thought that instead of Dumbledore for a second I thought Anthony Hopkins played Marcus Aurelius I don't know why that picture popped up in my head for some reason there's just Anthony Hopkins in a tent dude the fucking the two brainwaves he's not dead I don't know why my brain did that I was like wait no no that was Dumbledore Anthony Hopkins alive yes let's not meme that he'll fucking kill him by accident I'm so sorry it's not talking about Anthony Hopkins he's gonna die just like Wilfred Grimley 2020 has taken too much for me not Anthony Hopkins no fuck no get away he needs to make that stuff yeah we need to watch the Mask of Zoro oh have you not loved that movie yeah we've all seen it I saw it in one of my childhood favorites and I haven't seen it in many many years and I'd love to rewatch it it holds up I'm the fucking dude the one soldier who keeps getting his life fucked up by Zoro throughout the movie this is like a running joke everything goes to shit for him anyway yeah alright to come back here we go back to the bad movies left me thinking only one thing stop filming superheroes fighting in the air what so the I like to pause here before he develops it just to absorb you think to yourself how did you come to that conclusion yeah didn't like Dragon Ball Z I guess not is there a good fight scene you can think of like off the top of your head that takes place in the air because I think that there are a couple right Matrix 3 Matrix 3 I mean it was alright a lot of fights in the air I think if we restrict it to superhero battles in the air let's see I know I've seen them but let's see Dragon Ball Z they happen all the time I'm sure I see clips and stuff just find examples of air battles that are good is that what we're doing I don't know because even if we found there's not even if all the ones we saw were bad they're not necessarily bad by the concept of them fighting in the air because even if we named like all 10 let's pretend that was the case and they were all bad that wouldn't stop them from being good I don't know, Avengers when Iman's flying around the city I don't know if it doesn't count because he's not fighting a singular enemy but I don't know if that would I don't know if that's how it works I feel like that's what he's trying to get at he's like showing them tussling in the air the ending environment is pretty good how they're trying to get up in the air that probably counts yeah and don't forget that's what they do in the incredible Hulk as well that released the same year where he's on the jet and the jet flies up really high and he gets super cold and he can't breathe so don't forget that as well wait no you've mixed up too because he can't breathe in the Ang Lee one right and then it's in the 2008 one that he's on a jet that he jumps out of and lands to fight Abomination yeah I think I'm talking about the first incredible Hulk right I would hesitate calling it the first just the Ang Lee Hulk is what you're talking about I think the Ang Lee Hulk is the first Hulk well it's the 2008 one okay just call it the Ang Lee Hulk that's the easy way to do it at the risk of pissing off chat because I know about the Man of Steel climax is contested as a pretty tizmy but like Man of Steel I remembered having a pretty cool aerial battle between Superman and Zod the memes I remember from that blasted through so many fucking towers that kill so many people and the movie doesn't seem to register that until BVS comes out and I'm not talking about the Lou Ferrigno one I'm talking about this one Ang Lee yeah he's the director I thought the director was the guy with the French Louis Latteria he directed this one he directed The Incredible Hulk the one that I'm this one here the one with Liv Tyler yeah you mixed up the two of them so from he gets thrown up into the air and is struggling to breathe I believe in the Ang Lee Hulk but he's released from a jet in the MCU Hulk yeah he lets yeah he's got to let go because he can't breathe and then he falls down he splashes into like by the Golden Gate ridge that's a funny one we could probably re-wash that I don't know if it's is it better or worse than the MCU and what do people typically say about that I would say it's worse uh Ang Lee Hulk is this the this oh I think yeah these movies are meshing together in my brain um yeah I think this might be the one I'm talking about I can't remember because they're both unmemorable movies about a big green angry person and they're I didn't like either I think when they were making Incredible Hulk they couldn't decide whether it was a sequel or not they just kind of like made it like oh maybe it is maybe it isn't a sequel what about the uh the aerial fight in Chronicle oh yeah oh actually I think he brings that up in this video oh does he well wait is he trying to use Chronicle as an example of why you shouldn't film superheroes fighting in the air because hard to agree on that one that's very good character wise like that's not so much like this fight that's like both of those guys care about each other and it's it's kind of heartbreaking to watch well I suppose we will have to have to check out his argument at this point then yeah let's do it yeah this one is uh yeah as a superhero movie has thrust its way into ubiquity we're starting to see some trends become more obvious one of them is having superheroes who can fly fly all the time or fly while they fight if you are able to fly why wouldn't you a fly all the time and be fly while you fight yeah I feel like if I could fly that would be something I'd be using all the time because flying sounds like it's not only useful but lots of fun and amazing so I fly now I fly now you fly now most of this on paper makes a lot of sense you're making a superhero movie with a hero with the power of flight so put them in the air right this isn't really an issue inherently if your superhero is flying in the person they're fighting can't fly well now there's some purpose to that decision there's only purpose if one of them can fly I was going to say there'll be so flight gives you movement that's way more free than being on the ground that wouldn't really be like flying combat so much as ones flying and the others holding on to them yeah kind of different the idea that you're fighting against someone who flies as well meaning well not as much point compared to someone who's on the ground I feel like there's a lot of point for both but oh Spider-Man Homecoming there's sort of a flying fight there on the plane oh yeah Spider-Man can't fly though he's holding on for dear life in that fight only Vulture can fly there's a brief point when they're grounded and Vulture is hovering above the ground and Spider-Man is fighting him that part's pretty neat in that fight I guess he's only talking about where both parties have flight yeah probably but it's like okay so if only one party has flight then that's an advantage that they have over the person that can't fly if both parties have flight then it just seems to stand a reason that I mean it's the power of flight they're going to use their powers that they have at their disposal to gain whatever advantage that they can in the fight and so it's a weird parties can fly it's an flying field it's not going to be relevant I don't think in a moment I don't know why he said it though if someone asks if Vulture fly or is it hovering he definitely flies he's definitely a flyer well I'm just saying that in that one part at homecoming he's hovering over the ground I believe he can do both I guess if you can fly you can probably hover the person they're fighting can't fly well now there's some purpose to that decision flying might be an advantage like Tony fighting Cap so it's always an advantage it's called the high ground buddy you've seen revenge this time the ability to fly is always an advantage because you don't have to necessarily utilize it if you don't want to I was about to say and if the problem is like both characters can fly you could potentially give them different powers that they have that are outside of their flight one could have a certain power one could like have maybe force fields one could have super digging so you could really put them at odds with each other they have a dirt fight where they're both in the ground fighting each other instead of flying around in the air two airborne heroes against each other take this scene from the original Avengers film both Thor and Tony can fly people get annoyed when you say Thor can fly they're like no he holds on to the hammer that flies like okay alright well Tony holds on to the suit around him that flies the hammer the hammer pulled you off let me in oh my god so much but who can and yet instead of flying around this landscape seemingly devoid of life chopping through trees and falling through branches they fly at that one point they remain grounded throughout the sequence they almost entirely remain grounded but they do fly off at a certain point yeah like you're showing this while he's essentially flying towards a person he's about to tackle him and they fly together for a bit I'm sure he's gonna show it I guess he's trying to say like you see this fight is a little stronger because and it's a key detail there is less flying I don't know if that's where he's going with it let's keep listening the hammer the strength the weaponry the armor it's all there they both have the option to leave the ground with all of that and take a position above the action and yet but if okay so here's the thing if you fly up so first off they're in a forest there's gonna be a lot of line of sight issues with the trees once you get up right they're next to each other right now fighting which is the idea if one of them flies upward the other one will probably do that as well I don't know what advantage this gives to either of them because there's a huge advantage if you can fly and the other person can't but if you can both fly then it doesn't really matter if you're fighting in the air or on the ground in fact Iron Man probably has a good reason for not flying because he knows at this point especially his suit can be damaged by Thor and if his suit gets damaged and it can't fly anymore he's gonna fall and that's gonna cause some issues so this is like an earlier suit that would have limitations on how often he can fly I mean I would rather just appeal the fact that he flies when he sees an option to try and use it against Thor as Wright's point out it's a tool one of his many yeah the flight itself isn't the weapon it's a something used for positioning and if you don't gain any advantage by flying there's no sense really doing it especially because you're probably far more comfortable fighting on terra firma than you are up in the air you probably have a lot more experience when I said I'm familiar with that it's always an advantage to have flight what I mean is literally having it so it's not always an advantage to use it but the idea that you can either not have it or have it as a tool in your arsenal it's like well yeah I'd have it why not also I'm not really sure how if we were to change this fight so that both of them are constantly in the air I don't see how that really changes you can still do it yeah it doesn't change the stakes of the scene it doesn't change the ability to engage with the conflict with Iron Man more than anything else yeah the risk of falling um of course but I guess again we'll see where he's going don't, why? let's go back to the sequence from Shazam this is the climax of the film we know that both Shazam and Savanna can fly and they do, they take to the skies and they end up here problem number one but the sequence like this is physics what makes a superhero fight or really any uh physics so so his point I guess I got a little blanked out here so his point is that physics because physics doesn't change by the way because you're in the air um you're still, it still applies and you know as it does um yeah I guess I'm curious what his point will be also physics is a really weird word now that I've looked at it for a while that's because that's not physics the why should be before the s and then there should be not, yeah why is that first s I don't know, it's just a how do you not catch that one at editing oh my goodness I miss things all the time if you're gonna have words pop up on screen please make sure that they are spelled correctly this guy this guy makes a lot of videos he puts these videos out like crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't really he's putting out videos all the time damn he grew his channel from I mean we started around the same time and he's got I don't know how many subscribers he's got, close to 300,000 I believe he puts out videos like crazy he fights in film fun to watch what provides the impact the moments where we can tell how what's happening on film must feel on the ground we recognize the physics of what's happening almost always in the air not so much why though it's not as familiar to us sure but that's fine when someone gets punched in the air oh they got punched they're also in the air that means something to me it kind of feels like the idea of stakes during a fight how the characters can get hurt I don't think the ground versus the air is the distinction to draw, it's more like the power levels and how the characters can be fought we're going to be about how they portray it he's spotted right here character development he didn't notice it before so that means he didn't copy and paste it as the text in editing programs if you want to put text in you can just copy it and put it into a different place so that it's the same location and everything on the screen he did it two different times independently of one another because he didn't copy paste it or else this one would be wrong apparently he did it he went through the whole process again and again for each time he did it not a bad thing in this instance because it allowed him to correct a mistake it's a weird way to do the editing oh so is this the is physics the one word ruining superhero fight scenes is this the one I'm not sure if that's what he actually says we'll just go through piece by piece I can't remember if that's what he actually uses the one word but of course the first problem he's highlighting is the difference when they're on the ground versus in flight it's hard to tell what the blows are actually doing which I wouldn't say is the difference between ground and flight it's the difference between how you're fucking filming it and how you portray the battle if someone gets punched and doesn't even notice whether they are on the ground or in flight we're like huh but if they're on the ground they get punched and they fall back they go whoa and in flight they get pushed back and they stop bleeding or whatever it's like yeah there's plenty of ways to portray the power of each hit and what damage is coming in you know yeah it's more it's how they react to it the damage on their suit or the damage on their bodies and how they tire over time and a lot of stuff adds into giving a lot of umph to the punches and the blows we lose any understanding of momentum or impact almost immediately so as we lose any understanding of momentum and impact I disagree yeah I disagree too I have no idea I mean someone still got punched right yeah they got punched they flew back then I'm still following yeah it's the exact same thing that happens on the ground just in a slightly different way we're talking vectors and things but it's the same thing really and in a way that's going to be unique to the um to the genre the superhero movie genre that's probably you know the thing that people are going to want to go see stuff like some action sequences that you can't get in uh I don't know a James Bond movie a regular run of the mill action movie standing a momentum or impact almost immediately so as Shazam and Savanna go hurtling through the sky we don't have any sense of speed weight or gravity they're literally falling it's their power level I think is more so the problem they they're punching each other and like they essentially can't do much damage Superman punching Superman whether he's flying or he's on the ground is like so this fight can't end this way something else has got to happen yeah something's got to break this stalemate versus um Winter Soldier and Cap fighting Iron Man and his suit in Civil War slowly getting beaten and broken and parts falling off we can see this fight's going to come to an end I'm curious if he could all is there any reason we can't apply this to just watching anybody falling through the air in a movie because we can't feel it like the amount of people in the world who have been in free fall probably pretty low so the amount of people who could really relate to that and understand it is very very low so whenever you have a character falling in a movie like does that fall prey to the same ruination that these superhero fights do yeah this is feels like this fails in a lot of different ways yeah I'm curious he didn't hit the ground right there he has super endurance they're both super tough this is an issue with them flying it's an issue with them being superheroes who are extremely resilient he says we know he's going to hit the ground he could have not hit the ground there he could have recovered in mid throw and flown or like what he showed he didn't hit the ground he landed on the top of a building unless he's referring to the writing process they have to be on the ground when significant things will happen yeah that's not true at all I was about to say you could have a superhero fight where the only superpowers of the two characters is flight and then they could get hurt when they hit the ground or when they fall yeah and if you want to argue that's proving his point whenever they perish in flight they will always end up on the ground so that's gravity that's not really something when Savanna throws Shazam a mile away we know he's going to hit the ground and yet we're not surprised when he gets fuck I got an example it was in my head and I was like what is that and it's a super obscure one when Silver Surfer grabs the human torch and flies him all the way up to space oh yeah why is it a Silver Surfer I completely forgot that was a thing that was do you remember the trailer for that coming out that was supposed to be big it was like Silver Surfer is this alien creature and the human torch goes after him during like a wedding or some shit but he's like I'm going to beat you because I'm the human torch and by the time he finally catches up to him he just grabs him by the throat and takes him all the way up to space and then drops him back down or at least high up in the atmosphere I mean it's outside the atmosphere for sure point being he almost killed him you know what I mean? like the idea that like ah nice flight who cares it's like what no Rise of the Silver Surfer gets up and he's just fine because well we don't really understand the impact of that no it's because he's super fucking strong this is a really bad example to use because he's got Superman powers yes Shazam is basically Superman but with electricity powers instead of like laser sight here's a counter example when Iron Man is flying through all of and they have their low moment in the fight where he crashes down after getting hit by loads of things and they all start getting toward him and close to him his gear is all scratched up parts of it are broken and sparking and there's loads of black marks all over it we are completely convinced like Jesus Christ he's in trouble which is why like Iron Man so much in terms of telegraphing his like health bar through his suit versus it's hard like I would agree it's hard to understand the impact on someone like Shazam but it's not because he's in flight the issue comes more with the fact that Shazam's invulnerable yeah and like has a bevy of powers that make him super OP fall this applies to their powers as well as they hover above the ground we can visualize their ability to fly we're seeing it so as they shoot magic in each other's direction we know they'll either move out of the way because nothing's stopping them or it will hit them and they'll be knocked backward into well nothing or maybe into the this is the same thing that happens if they were on the ground it just takes longer to hit the ground I guess he he kind of introduced this he kind of introduced this as a power problem as well as a flight problem just then and then he said this after it so I think he's closer to the point now he's got nothing to do with flight it's exclusively to do with powers if they had set up that Savannah has a death laser that if it hits Shazam will absolutely kill him but nothing else will then this scene would have tension because we'd be like oh fuck there's a laser oof he dodged it okay we're good and then he starts powering up again because we know that that's the only thing that can kill him but if it's set up as it's just a laser that hits him and it just annoys him we'd be like well yeah of course now we're just waiting for how they're gonna resolve this conflict because we don't really have the understanding for how they can do it yet Panther vs. Killmonger is an example oh my god yeah that's what he's talking about but without flight they're fighting and they're both basically invulnerable and when they hit each other they're just like okay we're waiting for the film to tell us how this fight can end and then their suits start to do the weird blotchy thing we're like oh okay that's how it can be done nothing to do with flight he stabs him in the heart and he lives for like 10 minutes uh ground which loops us back to the first problem so how much of a threat is this or even a punch it depends on the strength of the punch and the resilience of the punchy it has nothing to do with flight yeah flight doesn't have anything to do with it if anything flight could raise the stakes because if you get knocked out in the air then you're gonna fall and you're gonna hit the ground with impact and that'll weaken you sequence like this from man of steel crashing through buildings fleeing each other through walls we begin to realize something none of this really matters we don't feel the impact again of these moments because well they don't they definitely do they're hurting each other the idea that they don't die from it is one thing but they're literally like I'm seeing this bit from man of steel it's like yeah he's throwing Superman through several buildings and the buildings are getting destroyed by this that's also an aspect you could talk about I think rags brought it up when we first asked the question by the video it's like yeah the collateral damage will be another way that we understand the fight has stakes I haven't seen this fight so watching Superman plow through all those buildings and the explosions and the lights going out and like man a lot of people are dying like that's not good actually even the city I think they actually do that in Superman too there's like debris falling down and Superman needs to go and like get the debris so that it doesn't crush people on the ground that's something that those movies do as well I mean like after watching the boys especially the first five minutes of the show you can definitely see it yeah what happens to protagonist girlfriend of that first five minutes Superman just did that to a lot of people here someone in chat has pointed out very accurate the stakes feel like they're there there that's the killer something that someone has said the stakes feel like they're there wait where when was this it's so hard to keep track of all the people I oh fuck which video was that chat help us out yeah help us out chat wait is it was it a cinema wins on Rise of Skywalker I don't think so I feel like it was a cinema wins video but the stakes feel like they're there someone someone said the captain phasma one yeah I think it was that was that point man that was point man that was the point man oh thank you chat oh man I almost forgot about that fucking gym the stakes feel like they're there and what happens then is all too often when flying heroes are filmed flying and fighting they become a danger to their world not to each other after Superman you could get interesting fight out of that does that not generate stakes in fact I would say this is the solution to generating stakes with invincible creatures yeah how do the people deal with it Batman v Superman is a bad movie the rest the aftermath of a fight like this yeah it motivates the entire it gives Batman's entire motivation against Superman in that movie so I don't I'm not following this logic like I said it feels as though you just want to reach into the video and be like your problem is with the the the individual being so powerful it's got nothing to do with flight my dude way through enough walls I quickly realized that Zod throwing him into one more might not mean too much to him or me we don't recognize their movement and because the film doesn't ground any of it because the things we do recognize like that's a lot of movie to not get clipped by copyright I feel like I feel in danger the screen is probably helping out that's the way it attacks on the screen yeah that's why he's got that concrete seem to be nothing but plastic hurdles for their flight it becomes easy not to respect but you can make the same argument on the ground they could just be piling they could like fucking juggernautin through buildings you could make the same argument they punch each other and then they fly through the bottom floor of a building instead of the 60 second floor like okay also this is I think that's kind of the incredible Hulk like they can't fly but they fight similarly to this where they're just smashing a bunch of stuff and they're both very powerful so yeah also this is ignoring the idea that if at least one of the characters cares about hurting innocent people that there's definitely stakes in that just because he can't get personally hurt doesn't mean that Superman wouldn't care about the well-being of others or at least he's not he's supposed to care about the well-being of others but there's other problems with fights like these as well one being the very thing we open to I CAN FLY part of what I think makes Shazam such a great film is that it does a phenomenal job solving DC's misanthropic obsession by the way that is I have to just point out that little dent that he made in that office building window there that is a lot less damage than when Superman got thrown through the buildings I think that's on purpose I think that's why they did it they want to avoid having to answer the question of did he kill anyone dude I want to find out who makes that like those windows there that glass of my house how do you feel about the Shazam character they're like we love him he's great for business correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like those aren't windows the ones above them there seems to be a stack of them but those ones seem to be either like they're just coverings for the wall they're not they're faux windows it's hard to tell honestly yeah because there's a clear difference between the ones above them sorry I am so sorry okay fine but it's not the windows it's the people that make the concrete that goes on the buildings well it's not to cover in a glassy substance it's still probably glass it could be but the way you smashed into it does actually make it look like it's concrete rather than glass yeah the glass just bulging in like that stopping him like it's that rubberized glass like they use on cars and stuff that shadow proof stuff so then like alright so you see what happened in Metropolis we need to tear down all of our buildings and we need to rebuild them to be superhero proof yeah thing we open I can fly part of what I think makes Shazam such a great film is that it does a phenomenal job of solving DC's misanthropic obsession with disassociating its worlds from anything remotely fun Shazam isn't just fun it's true I've heard that argument so many times Shazam is good because it's fun someone explained that argument to me what does that mean so like DC's too dour Shazam coming in was perfect because it's so much fun not just saying it it's like that's why people like these movies is they're like happy they're like yay it's all fun it's like the stories still suck there's a lot of people who don't want to feel like shit when they watch a movie kids are going to pick a controversial position here that I have I would definitely watch Shazam over a lot of the really terrible movies that we've seen in the last year and Toy Story 4 being one of them I haven't seen that one we're not a fan I wouldn't be surprised if Jadiser was like so what do you guys like I'm starting to wonder what do you guys like we like Anthony Hopkins yes Anthony Hopkins I've heard good things I've heard only good things about that game I had to I did a review of Ghost of Tsushima just so I could regain back some credibility after my last of this video it's the honest truth I was like wow these guys hate me they review something that I know everyone likes and yeah Ghost of Tsushima I've heard it's very good I haven't played it myself it's the best combat it's the best combat you've ever experienced in like a it's gonna pave the way for PS5 games well then this is associating its worlds from anything remotely fun the game isn't just fun it's jubilant and it's director David Sandberg initial career has been brilliant he's also a big advocate for the problem solving of film so let's pose another question what is the only possible navigational outcome of this fight the ground navigational because of gravity that's not fair the idea that we'll always end up on the ground it's like yeah but you can still die in the air in the ground they're gonna die like I don't you have more options in the air because you could go down at all these different angles that you can't do on the ground I think he's arguing that like we know that they have to be on the ground before anything significant happens and it's just like that's not true and the problem he has is because damn he's super powerful see in an inherent problem with the flying fight sequence pointed out in chat that syndrome dies in the air shit true sorry but it has to do with his cape not the fact that he's in the air well if he wasn't in the air he would have sucked into the turbine of a flying plane in the air so it is his flight is a big all we need to do is establish that people have died in the air and that's the way we're good all we have to do is establish it's possible well would he have been sucked into the plane though if he didn't have his cape it's very possible wait why does that matter why does that matter I thought that the movie made it clear that it was the cape that why does that matter he's flying what the fuck I don't know fucking killing people you can watch videos of people getting sucked into jet turbines you don't have capes on look I'm pretty sure he did get sucked in because of the cape I don't I'm pulling with the idea that the cape is not fully to blame it's his proximity to the turbine yes it is a selection of things including flight yes sure I mean I'm not doubting I just like the cape is pretty important too it's not 100% of there you go I and giant dies in the air that's true he doesn't die in the air he dies in in no atmosphere he doesn't die in the air damn it ruined ruined I got you see an inherent problem with the flying fight sequence is we always and I do mean all know exactly how it will end tell me exactly how it always ends yeah I need him to say exactly how it always ends tell me with someone or both of them coming crashing to the ground maybe so gravity is your issue here yeah it's not fly anymore I need him to tell me do you think it's possible to die in the air or do you think that movies will never let their characters die in the air they always have to land first do you remember roadie gets slapped with visions blast and he gets knocked out before he even hits the ground yeah he goes free falls he's out of it I think that's like a called him spinning around so much I'm not like being using specific terms I'm just saying he's whatever so Superman can break his odds neck in the air just as he can on the ground because when he dies he'll eventually go to the ground and if he's eventually he'll get sucked into the gravitational pull of some other celestial body eventually so you're saying the solution is we have like a hover pad that expels air in a very fast and large way so that when someone dies they land on the pad and they float so they don't actually land on the ground when they die then again though as soon as they die they just start floating up unfortunately that hover pad would have to be sustained for infinity and I don't know if we can do that eventually that body will hit the ground sequence ends up being fluff to pad the fight out or worse yet and almost always predictable look at Josh Tranks Chronicle it spends minutes with its hero and anti hero in the air hurdling through a city and we use dialogue to provide more stakes he's suggesting now that it's filler or padding couldn't I argue that ground fights are padding until the final blow yeah it's all just filler until we get the final punch of them throwing each other out of the sky over and over tossing things into each other into buildings flying through concrete and now yeah this is called a fight scene calling it a super hero movie are things like people if they get like shot or something they'll die? yep that's some pretty high stakes if they get hit by a car they're very possibly dead you have two humans who can fly and use telekinesis throwing cars at each other we're like oh fuck if he doesn't do something about that car coming at him he's probably dead yeah they're out of the sky over and over tossing things into each other into buildings flying through concrete and none of it really feels like it matters to any okay I remember this from fucking Jstream on the moment he says none of it seems like it matters he shows someone getting fucking fried in the back by hitting the fucking lamp post yeah I feel like that hurt that would be a big deal especially because these characters aren't invulnerable the way it shazamas there's still people that are perfectly easy to kill they just have telekinetic powers and this I believe that that's the bit where are they grounded for the rest of the fight in this? I can't remember if that's because James Wool just said the guy in chronicle dies in the air no no he's on the ground he is like blowing a ton of shit up with his telekinesis and the hero character uses a spear from a nearby statue and telekinetically moves it through the villain right well either way I just want to point out that this is ifap bingo for sure when they show a clip that like stands completely in opposition to the thing they just said like we can't tell when people are getting hurt in flight thrown into lamp post seems to burn and spark into his back and then he like ragdolls onto the car that's below him it's like twice this movie or this video in fact that he's shown something contradictory to what he said it's also like James has just highlighted as well he said I thought he was floating regardless whether that's true do we solve all of these problems like we counter his entire argument if we take all ground bells that have ever happened and lift them all and a centimeter off the ground they're going to have to fall that one centimeter to the ground yeah again like this one little moments it's very it really leaves an impact on you like oh that looks like it really hurts especially like a lot more than most of the rest of the fight so it's just a really really bad clip to use also he really likes putting stuff on the screen I know that we point this out with every fucking person who does this but still this is a lot yeah the civilians watching on the ground which is why the movie ends up having to ground them for them to take any real meaningful damage what do you mean he's on the fucking floor he's showing a man who's lying potentially dead incapacitated on the ground after what do you the visuals do not match your words he literally just got sent into a lamppost and electrocuted and cried and then he fell onto a car and then onto the asphalt like what does real meaningful damage mean to this man apparently so in Spider-Man 3 when Harry is first fighting Peter and Peter tripwires him and causes him to hit his head like 17 times the reason why he was taking any real meaningful damage is that at that point he was no longer flying he was just falling we have to get him on the ground to kill him oh my god this is fucking classic dude so someone mentioned that the director actually commented on this video and I just checked it out and he said can't say I disagree what I've also learned is that fights in the air are almost also the most boring things to shoot definitely something I'm keeping in mind for the sequel just like yeah this is the thing I'm blown away by the idea this fucking video has got me a million views and a really strong ratio it makes no sense at all it makes no sense at all people will upvote the dumbest crap in the world I saw words on the screen it's got to be meaningful the second top coward is Thor Cobb Fly he throws his hammer and he's dragged with it so he never changes directions in the air or anything like that he just goes wherever the hammer goes he goes it's just follow the hammer or let go all right that's great people love this video I'm surprised I didn't realize this video is fucking retarded I have so much hope for Shazam too guys it's gonna be great there's some idiot YouTuber said you can't be stakes in the air and then the director of Shazam actually believes it I can't believe this here's the thing that video from Saved what the fuck David Sandberg about the problem solving of filmmaking I thought was pretty good and this idea that he's pretty like in tune with like what people are talking about on the internet and he's pretty savvy and hearing that he's taking advice from this guy I guess it's not really taking advice he already agreed with it he already felt this way too some of these super popular video I say YouTubers are fucking morons and people just eat it up when the stuff they say doesn't make any sense hey Mueller some people are saying that he was being sarcastic would you like to read that comment in a sarcastic tone maybe that's the case I will do my best sartism I sure hope so can't say I disagree what I've also learned is that fights in the air is almost the most boring thing to shoot definitely something I'm keeping in mind for this sequel I don't know the first two they're not sarcastic it's hard to make them sarcastic the last sentence the only one can't say I disagree what I've also learned is that fights in the air are almost the most boring things to shoot that doesn't sound fights in the air the most boring things to shoot having to ground them for them to take any real meaningful damage instead of just human hop please stop showing these clips they really don't help you we know this is how it ends it has to so everything before it can sometimes feel boring then why doesn't it just end with the ending if everything before you could make that same argument about ground fights in the air fights just takes well I guess loads of films apply to this but let me mainly aim it at Civil War everything that happens in the fight in the end of Civil War is kind of pointless up until Cap is about to bring the shield down on Iron Man's head or chest because that's the only time that he might actually die up until that point everyone is mainly just throwing punches and blast at each other and it doesn't really mean anything it's kind of boring so we don't want to see the progression of events that leads to Cap damaging Tony's armor to the point where he's capable of doing that it feels weird to be in this position but he's like arguing against one of the most fundamentally enjoyed aspects of action films from the audience the fucking fight just skip to the final blow everything else is pointless just filler it's weird kind of like another incredible movie but so much of this moment isn't that doesn't mean that this can't work however Shazam for example solves its own problem earlier in the film there's this small sequence where both Shazam and Savanna fly around and through walls and stores but it's intense you feel every second but I can't fly what are you talking about yeah I don't care as soon as he's in flight I'm bored yeah it's just filler when he tries to fly I'm just like why are you wasting time just stay on the ground he doesn't have any qualifier for that well let's see if he does shit because Shazam, Billy Batson is trying to escape Savanna it's a chase how is that a fight if he's running away has this guy ever heard of fight flying flying with purpose how is he talking about when they're actually fighting while flying that has no purpose to fight and fly okay wait let's so he's almost positive here that to fight simply fight while flying isn't enough purpose you need to fight fly while also having purpose like that's a separate ingredient I think that's very strange wouldn't the purpose of in the the problem is he's using example of Shazam which again we got Superman powers so if you like Superman vs Superman and they're fighting what's the purpose of this fight it's like I imagine to defeat each other but they can't like okay so then we're all waiting for the the story to tell us how the fight is even capable of ending that's not a flight problem though flying with purpose that's a kill time we don't know how it will end because Billy can't get away flight so we also he ends up on the ground at the end of this fight oh also wait or thisy from Ragnarok here Hela, Loki, and Thor are mid flight through the rainbow portal to Asgard two of them not normally being fighters and then this happens suddenly this mid air fight has purpose what do you mean she was a threat to the before this happened yeah she's really flying there's a fight with steaks it was already she blows up Mjolnir she fucking obliterates it like that's a big fucking deal she's strong enough to destroy Mjolnir she kills Loki runs away he's scared of her that's why he says bring us back yeah it's a mistake at least Thor is like okay no the fact that they are flying now which means we're bored only she can still kill them so it's with steaks I'm just like no that's got nothing to do with flight I'm sorry from the beginning of this fight so yeah Loki calls Heimdall to or it's Carl Urban to bring them back to Asgard so the whole when this sequence is starting we know that okay Hella is now being brought to Asgard that wouldn't have happened if Loki hadn't called for Carl Urban I keep forgetting that guy's name to send them through the bike scourge yeah scourge sorry to send them back through the Biprost and so I was like oh shit we're about to make it back to Asgard because of this like this fight already has steaks from the very beginning this is clearly not flying because Thor can't fly this doesn't count this is a weird way to qualify all this honestly steaks we don't know how it will end we know that Hella has to get there without Loki and Thor and better yet we know now Thor is in real danger why his way out of this the moment feels real they're not flying in this scene the moment feels real feels real feels really real that they're going through the Biprost between dimensional worlds I mean it's functionally the same thing as fighting while flying right it's not technically fighting while flying but he doesn't have any rules he just picks and chooses examples willy-nilly with absolutely no credentials to anything yeah he said like the Shazam one works because he's trying to run away and the Thor one works because they're trying that they can't fly themselves they have to be in the Biprost to fly I don't really I'm lost on all of these I think he's praising Shazam and Chronicle but he seems to be criticizing him a lot too even though he thinks they're good movies so I have no idea what he's going for here problem solving as David Sandberg puts it is the entire conceit of filmmaking every scene will have some sort of problem that you as a director or writer have to solve but as superhero movies begin to take over it's starting to feel like some of them are less interested in solving their problems and more interested in flying away from them it's just what it's one of the free audio tracks you can download from Joaquin Karut or whoever and then you slap it in your video and what a cheap ass he said like films are less interested in solving problems and more interested in flying away with them like what are you talking about what are you referencing right now is it a Shazam literally flying away from a problem in the scene that he's praising yes for me it doesn't really the script is having trouble there but as superhero movies begin to take over it's starting to feel like some of them are less interested in solving their problems and more interested in flying away from them less concerned with solving their way I bet he thought that sounded so cool it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense because he's already established that whether or not they do fly the fight will eventually end on the ground my point being that flying away from your problems isn't exactly what they're doing they're delaying the overall payoff that should be his perspective not running away from it that's every single fight scene though well that's what I mean it applies to the ground too I don't see how all of this doesn't apply to the ground there's nothing to do with flight way out of those challenges and more concerned with giving us and them something that's easy to digest human beings we solve the inconsistencies we come across in life through what we know so here's what I know I can't fly if someone was trying to kill me I would I can fly I can't fly it wanted to hurt you're missing some of that is this supposed to be an apostrophe? it wanted to hurt put them in a bubble before I punch them and getting hit sucks oh these are three rules oh I can't fly I wanted to hurt getting hit sucks okay but getting hit sucks in the air hurts too I mean getting getting hit sucks as a ruling is broken by supermen fighting on the ground too they punch each other and they're like half didn't really feel that that's not a flight thing boo this is dumb trying to kill me I wouldn't put them in a bubble before I punch them and getting hit sucks and I know that if I could fly that second and third point would still stand then what's your do with that what you will do with that what you want that invalidates your video give that what you will this invalidates your whole video what do we do with that what we will damn you're invulnerable that's why you didn't realize that first to redraft this video it would be focused on invincible heroes are annoying because it's hard to tell when they phase from winning to losing the transition is difficult unless you have something like kryptonite or whatever and the I don't like it when that happens because even I would be like yeah but that doesn't always happen and most movies will show you how the invincible character is losing in one way or another that's like the whole fucking point of stakes most people know about this yeah it's like both in Man of Steel and Shazam they're they're invulnerable sorry invulnerable fuck I can't talk tonight okay in Chronicle they're not invulnerable and they're very susceptible to damage that the best that they can do to prevent themselves from getting damaged more than than otherwise is they they can form like a protective force field around their bodies which is why when I forgot the the one dude's name that was like the hero part of the Chronicle fight I know there was like Andrew was the was the villain um and Steve was Michael B. Jordan's character no Steve was Michael B. Jordan um well anyways they ran the bee there so I know you're not talking about Michael Jordan the famous basketball and MLB player um well I just remember that that's why he doesn't get killed by that bus he like is actually able to form a protective kind of like force field around himself otherwise like they're they're just as easy to kill as anyone else um regarding like getting hit with a gun or uh being sent into a lamppost uh stabbed with a spear from a statue to say a lot of the arguments that he's been using as examples come from movies where the characters can fly and they're also pretty much invulnerable it's like if you had a movie where characters just could fly and they were hurting each other like throwing each other into the ground or the walls and it really hurt them and they were like bleeding all over that would be a different story and it's like that that that's a different argument from what he's arguing against because he's essentially arguing against invincibility uh that was the third guy ow too loud is that it? that's pretty balancing is there maybe an ad or something? long out from when I got this it for this episode of Nerd Stalgic if you enjoyed this video press that like button if you haven't done so it's also less of your video how you don't miss anything I'll put out for you subscribe this has a million views dude I am trying way too hard on my videos I know right I really am some there's a huge group of people out there who will just watch crap and up vote it and they'll just eat it up they'll just go how do I find those people I don't know where are they I don't know I have to make ugh I don't know that's the thing it's just that's YouTube he's like the most stupid crap can just appeal to the huge amount of people someone just said in the chat 700 subs yeah like I said this guy started right around the same time as me because I was like neck and neck at him for a little bit and then he just exploded and I was like alright fuck me man just wow just a if you look at this channel though he's got a video like almost every other goddamn day well he doesn't put any effort into him so I could believe it what all he does is he's got the he pauses which he does a mouse click so that's the sound effect then he kind of has like a rewind kind of no they should put that into like a content package at this point for video essay startups those sound effects because they all use them he's got it yeah I yeah um there I think a lot of video essayists on YouTube have learned to capitalize on the on the the non-critical normie demographic that's massive and they just want to hear things and they're not going to apply any level of skepticism or critical thought to any video and they're not going to give it the the tiniest of second glances or analysis or analyze it in any way because it's like what would always happen is that if we brought these people on and really challenged them on their points like he wouldn't be able to substantiate this video in any way I honestly think the best he would be able to maintain is I don't know I just noticed in a lot of movies the fight portions of fights are usually pretty boring like they usually hit and go really far back then hit back and go really far back and it's once they land the more interesting stuff tends to happen and I'd be like yeah maybe so that's you know that could just be that's just down to the filmmakers at that point that's a correlation not causation yeah because there is you can't argue that flight fights have no stakes and are boring you can't if you're going to maintain the ground ones always do yeah being in the air I feel like adds a lot of stakes the problem is that when you have invulnerable characters that's where the problem comes in also the little notification bell next to the subscribe button that just makes sure you're notified every time I upload make sure you don't miss anything two things really quickly one I'm actually a big fan of Shazam I think I might have his notification bell so I can see what I need to do the film panic podcast but he says he's actually a big fan of Shazam but all you did was praise it except for the fight well you sent me you mostly it's weird he says it's a great film like twice yeah except and then you got the whole flying thing wrong I can't find the film panic podcast is it not on YouTube is it like a I think it's something else I'll be part of the Patreon go to the Google machine the film panic podcast it's on Spotify how many episodes are done what do they cover how long are they and I am censored by Spotify as well seven episodes controversial is Christopher Nolan overrated yes 66 minutes holy shit wow that's splurge well that's longer than he took to make this video guys episode two is called who is the best directing working today who is the best directing working today here's the link episode three Recast the Avengers episode four the NSYNC movie or Josephine Baker episode five which video game should get a movie episode six most underrated Marvel movie in episode seven worst Disney movie all right it's that most underrated Marvel movie what is it underrated Marvel movie I'd say Civil War is the most underrated I mean as much as it has a lot of people who love it shit tons of people think it's terrible so I being inclined to explore that one yeah I liked Iron Man 2 you do do you mean Iron Man the second one or also Iron Man I liked Iron Man the second the sequel I enjoyed it as long as it's not Iron Man 3 yeah that was kind of weak I liked Iron Man 2 that was good someone else said Spider-Man yeah I'd agree that homecoming is probably what I would say is my number two for underrated Spider-Man movies for underrated Marvel movies homecoming was fantastic but some people just don't like it for the dumbest reasons not a good Spider-Man movie it's a good movie just not a good Spider-Man movie it's like oh Spider-Man movie because it doesn't match up with my version of Spider-Man that I have in my head from that one particular comic that I've decided is the comic it needs to come what would they think about into the spider-verse where it's not even about Peter Parker well you're implying that they have some like actual standard to judge things but I don't know what they'd say about that one I'll definitely check and two the Patreon is live if you haven't yet seen my video on what's been going on with this channel please check that out that's I think two videos before this one it'll explain a lot especially why the Patreon's happening what's there what you're getting you can find the link to the Patreon down in the description as well and really quickly a big thank you to manscape who sponsored this okay we're probably done let's just make it short it's always plug and dollar shape it's like oh okay all right wow all right there we have it it's just it is kind of baffled it's like it seems so clear the actual issue you have but you seem to think it's this other thing someone said chat is in chat hello if you're this how do how do yeah I think that's about it for coverage tonight I know it's a little short than usual but we did start a little later and Rags and I gonna have to catch up on the few that we missed from last time the super chats and stuff so of course Evan southpaw Mr. internet janitor you're all welcome to leave or stay not that you were trapped here previously but um we're moving from discussion and video coverage to answering super chats so it's completely up to you guys oh yeah I'll probably head out and uh take my dog for a walk real quick he's been looking at me for a while you mind if I plug my new video real quick go for it all right I just came out with a new video it's called how to piss off a star wars fan eyes of skywalker edition so check it out it's all things trying to purposely piss off star wars fans what kind of analysis can they expect what kind of stuff do you go into not too much analysis I basically just try to purposely say thing like one of my points is that rose tico deserved at least 34 minutes of screen time in the movie okay like I said it's called how to piss off oh right it's most it's all sarcastic so check it out if you feel like I'm gonna laugh or and what do you like do typically on the channel what's the channels whole thing uh I don't know I kind of just made the channel just because I felt like I had different viewpoint than most other people sometimes it's sarcastic sometimes it's truthful sometimes it's a mix of both stop by and figure it out for yourself and see if you like it well all right yeah links in the description and in the chat um thank you so much for coming on oh yeah thanks for having us and thanks for having me I'm all appreciate it no problemo it's been fun and I suppose we'll we'll catch you around oh yeah catch you guys later yeah nice seeing that with you dude come on and now oh wait is he gone is he still here what? I just got back Mr. janitor are you still here from that um janitor if you're if you're leaving there's a there's a red button I always see I always feel local to this punk so I'm like wait should I remove them in case they don't know how to do it are you oh there you go done and done after five and you waited for a while um he's always leaving wanting more yeah do you guys wanna hang out or do you wanna escape the void that is internet essay video coverage world podcast I am absolutely happy hanging out sweet hang out I can hang a rune all right in um what uh what is up what what's the haps well we're gonna be moving into super chongas now we're uh it is four and a half hour podcast of cover stuff I know that's outrageous I'm so sorry short man bad we get short man bad on the 12 hour vods there's nothing to be hours how dare you are you going to keep up with the trend of going for at least a few minutes or hours longer for each anniversary stream I don't think so I will I would rather just try and reach the 30 cap but I would caution people like you don't even want it to be that way because yeah rags and I not as efficient when we're that point of sleep deprivation yeah going for that long was um it's it's legitimately tough everyone's like oh staying up for 30 hours it ain't just staying up for 30 hours no it's staying up for 30 hours sitting down in front of a computer doing a podcast actively for 30 hours a little bit different than like you just suddenly realize oh I've been up for 30 hours I didn't even know so how about that do I have sonic heroes oh my god I do all right you know I'm going to finish up Super Mario Sunshine and then Nick how many times have you done have you played through Super Mario Sunshine not enough times like we're only at a thousandish so I'm pretty sure you get an achievement unlocked in a letter from the queen if you beat it a million times so on my way are you really um I mean the thousands close to a million right uh no also 38 shines damn I wouldn't be that much longer on this one alright uh boop someone said play the thousand year door oh yeah that's the Paper Mario game I mean I could I think I've got that on dolphin I'll have to check I'm sorry guys I just like Super Mario Sunshine a lot okay is that really such a problem no no it's fine racist okay so first thing we're doing is catching up on uh stream labs then it'll be the super chats from last time that we didn't get to finish and then it'll be the super chats from this time around so many so many things um okay is this really the fifth one Molar I'd like to hear you attempt to say the following in your deepest voice with restrained smugness and couldn't google translate if you want to cheat code for saying it alright well I'll post it to you guys so you understand what the fuck's happening I'm gonna try and read this out in a in a deep deepest voice with restrained smugness Yorokobe Shonen Kimi no negai wa yorokaku kanai who knows what that I probably just did a hate cry about it I don't know what to say Yorokobe Shonen Kimi no negai wa yorokaku kanai there you go English English English good Damana is godly I gave up and went to bed between parts 2 and 3 a shame because there was lots of good tism in part 3 eFapception, Jared but at least I got to skip Chuck Tangle anyway here's to 1.2 billion more faps thank you very much so this is from the last one there's a couple of ones that made it in like after we'd finished 100 and of course it's those ones plus the ones from last stream that came in you guys want to know something weird about Crusader Kings 3 if you put Flem with a capital F in the name field for a baby it changes to something else oh my goodness I wouldn't know what I should have to think what Flem grows up to be what's there Flem the mighty sir Flem hmm by the way I'm the guy who Gary the Christmas versus Halloween question okay I think oh so this is the streamlabs person so we had it I think remember the one we were doing the catch up where someone said like oh Gary answered the question and they gave a time stamp and we were like what are we supposed to do with a time stamp like we need to do more than a time stamp so they're the one who are video yeah so they said video was EFAP95 time stamp was 42340 don't worry I asked him in chat but he responded on stream you were just too busy talking about water bottles to notice by the way he chose correctly I don't know if there's a Christmas well I don't know who they loyal to so we'll never know the true answer I wonder if you would have chosen is he a Christmas chat or a Halloweeny or a Christmas night you keep doing that you keep accidentally like screwing over your own team what I was going to do originally I changed plans midway so I was going to go with like a little bit of self-deprecatory self-deprecatory till terminological tisms for both of the factions there but then I was like you know what I think it's going to be Christmas chans this one I mean I'm cool with chris simps or chris noids or chris massives I'm totally on board with any chris massives yeah chris massives okay if I put chris chris noids chris moids yeah chris massives pretty good because you don't have to change chris not that you want to perfect the way it is perfect really no improvements yeah it's just the best when's your critique of halloween coming out on your channel seven parts how was the piece halloween there are some legitimate issues that I do have with halloween but they can be fixed I think that instead of always being on the 31st of october they should simply be on the final friday of the month of october to ensure that it's not ever on a work night or a school night I agree with that I think that would make halloween much much better I do enjoy halloween thank fuck we're about to get to it rags we were like a couple days away from that season we're gonna get out our spooky avatars in the kroger where I do my shop and down the down the road they've got a got a little bit of the halloween candy set up they got a little bitty halloween section and they're like yeah buy some candy also I'm guessing echo problem is still gone I saw some people mentioning it randomly I'll never know what the fuck that was about just saying I have no idea I noticed that for whatever reason so windows just randomly yesterday decided it would update so I already had to do one or two things just to get back to normal like re-enabling logitech software just little things like that and one of them was that the output was set to rtx voice instead of just the normal without it because I noticed that as good as rtx voice is for cutting out background noise it's actually quite impressive if you're quiet when you talk sometimes it could cut out prematurely so I still still there slightly sounds like two voices I have you get twice as much rags maybe it's like a mixer or something that's weird I thought that the echo might have been caused by the janitor considering that he started echoing when we started playing the video that one was a much more of a echo right so the people who felt like they were hearing two microphones did what I just did change anything rags speak some more alright so I am currently in the process making my mando video found some interesting information and also it's nifty to make a video while sort of keeping in mind all of the video essay tropes that you want to avoid inappropriate music I learned that from the fallout thing music was a bad decision it won't happen again but it took some feedback from that and I'm going to be using that but overplayed background music when it doesn't really serve a purpose avoiding the overuse of having text pop up on the screen that's just what I literally said there's a lot I've learned from watching eFap that's going to go into this video do I have to keep talking dude this is fucking painful good now fixed there is no echo it's worse when you's louder still there everything is watching a different stream echoes are subjective maybe well I mean there's literally nothing else I can do that's all my options they say it's only when I talk so maybe there's oh maybe a setting was changed in discord let's see input device microphone to 802020 usb plus hmm let's change it to rtx voice here I don't think you have to do anything it's definitely got to be on my end I just don't know what it is you're coming through fine to me there's no double up for me it's got to be from me to the connection sometimes when I speak louder it comes through so unlikely but what if it's coming through from my my earphones because I would actually match up with you being louder I've heard sometimes that happens where you get some guy who says oh no all the music is coming through my headphones but we still hear the echo which makes you think that there are going to be deaf in a few years yeah I mean well but I don't have you any louder than I always do so it's weird there's happening now you know I mean hopefully you know as long as the stream is functional and everyone's okay as long as it's not making it impossible to hear you should be right horizon is on pc you guys watched hardcore Henry it's truly the end of an era yeah is horizons ear done good on pc yet launch horribly I don't know anything about it I heard that it had some issues but they weren't like huge he just had a couple of tisms but otherwise it's fine well so Jay still hasn't seen more of the rings yet so it's not quite the end of an era yeah not over yet he still hasn't, fuck Jay I might have to force him set up a time to do it and then do it because we got him to watch all of Hill House so that's way longer, wait is that longer that's shorter than all the rings right just realized I think Hill House is I think it's like 50 minutes an episode except for one that's an hour and 10 I think haunting of Hill House around time yeah this is close but I think all the rings win let's see fuck 572 minutes for haunting of Hill House I'm pretty sure that Lord of the Rings dwarfs that I don't know if it dwarfs I think Lord of the Rings extended edition run time it might depend on what are we using extended editions or theatrical extended always of course there are about 690 minutes for Lord of the Rings because I have a calculator here and I can take the what was the count for Hill House it was like 530 something let me go back Lord of the Rings is 690 572 minutes so we figured it out J could not have actually substituted all of Lord of the Rings fuck off all of Lord of the Rings for Hill House but he still could have watched it by now okay absolutely yeah if you're talking about just cram in 690 minutes into your life I mean no excuse no excuse Lord of the Rings arguably has a better conclusion than haunting of Hill House um do you say arguably definitely I'm being facetious what is the definition of facetious taking like a serious thing and not being serious about it yeah it's finding the humor and grim scenarios so I don't know if that's facetious isn't it grim and serious though I don't know if this would be that's kind of stretching fine I'm being sarcastic are you being sarcastic can we really tell I'm not being sarcastic right now is that sarcasm or maybe that was sarcasm I don't know can you ever really know if someone is a bad actor who knows they just don't figure out their delivery yet they could just be acting like they're a bad actor you never know that's the thing are you figuratively being literal that's true because if James Franco had acted very well in the disaster artist right and he actually put in a performance that made him seem like a human being wouldn't that be bad acting because he was portraying a guy that does not act like a human being yeah as we talked about earlier I think the only way that you could potentially objectify or objectively analyze acting is when a character is playing something else that you can use as a standard which is why for instance if Michael Jordan was to play himself in a movie then he maybe not himself as it's Michael Jordan like in universe but Michael Jordan was playing like him from another time or something like that or representative of himself he couldn't do anything of an objectively perfect it's almost a user save state why would I do that defeats the whole point cheating yeah down with cheaters are my right folks yeah fuck cheaters cheat fuckers boo-doo-boo-doo finally caught up with dick what a manga the art is the best I've ever seen and got such a great protagonist shame the anime is ass and doesn't do the story any justice also watched a tenant a second time has its problems but I still had fun I mean I had fun with Batman and Robin so rags and I haven't seen it so I don't know Evan Southmore if you've got common tree for tenant you know it's our plot and I swear like the sound balancing complaint that everyone's like talking about is true and it's just it's not it's not easy to get invested in the characters that's my short review it's not very fun trying to understand the dialogue amongst all the very loud music and background noise that's happening during this really important dialogue that's supposed to explain the mechanics of the story early on I like talking and going to the mill it's so funny the waves literally sound louder than the dialogue it's like they're in the foreground and the dialogues in the background it's like the ocean well yeah but you need to be hearing the dialogue on a boat I get that especially because if it has subtitles that just say what the characters are saying then the whole because I heard that from a radio DJ I was talking about this with my my mother she was saying I heard about this tenant movie this guy in the radio was talking about it he said that a lot of people were complaining that you couldn't hear the characters and what they're saying but the radio guy he said like that was the design that's what they were going for and I was like I don't know I don't think I changed your mind on that one if ever you were yeah if ever you were going for the whole like aha will the audience really be able to figure out what that person said it's like so this isn't for deaf people then like because they'll get the subtitles and they'll know exactly what they said titles would have to be damaged in some way yeah you have to come up specifically have subtitles were only a couple words you get that's actually kind of a cool idea yeah in that sense you could probably be more exact in fact you could be more exact with what you want using subtitles only because if you're trying to be muffled in an audio way some people might be able to pick up what some words are but um yeah if you got subtitles you could be very specific about what words are understood by the audience or if the dialogue can't be audible then at least have there be a very clear visual representation of what the scene is trying to convey but if your scene is going to be reliant on dialogue we kind of need to be able to hear what the dialogue is clearly especially if there's no subtitles to go along with it in a theatrical release I mean with everything I've heard I don't want to see that film without subtitles now which is kind of embarrassing oh no I don't think I'd absorb anything new it's like you could watch it again but like unless I literally can understand what the characters are saying I don't think I could properly analyze that so I'm just like I'll just wait um decent action though I can say that much yeah scene was pretty good and you know entertaining stuff but it's you know it's pretty well directed it's just it's just a story it's lacking well we'll cover it when it comes out it's gonna be great I'm sure a christenal movie that's decently directed but not not very well written colored me shocked how dare you um I'm annoyed by the use of my favorite game as a backdrop for a video which seems to only exist to prove that smug near gigante can't keep track of points while he pauses a video so no one could possibly no one possibly could sorry um non sequitur monster hunter rise 26th of the third 2021 or third of the 26th no no sorry I fucking write it backwards I write it right the first time um the yeah the so this is from um efeb 101 uh yeah I mean you know it's not nice to see a favorite games and videos you don't like but hey everyone can like anything so oh you know you just have to put up with it I'm sorry sometimes they use the games you like but yeah most of this is cool uh concerning the profit made by the star wars sequel you also have to take into account that it costs Disney 4 billion to buy Lucas film so technically the sequels barely made any money I mean I I don't know what the overall net gain has been for them but that's not even accounting for how much like you have to take the the cost of the films off them as well like the overall profit I'm sure that they've broken even by now right I mean probably with the I hope they have sorry well let's see so four billion to buy star wars um cause the force awakens made a lot force awakens made two billion yeah last year I made one point something like 1.7 billion and where as this guy walker I think made 1.3 but again marketing would be an issue as well but they've probably broken even by this point yeah I would hope so otherwise they'd kind of get a business or they'd stop making movies right sorry I'm enthralled by this resident evil clip people have oh my god this is can we get I don't it might be copyright that's the thing for resident evil for resident evil oh my god yeah in our chat like holy fuck that was oh my god what game is this from is it six it's not a game it's one of the movies one of the CGI movies that they've done there's a couple of them I've seen clips of them they all look fucking shit thank you voice in the radio for bringing this to my attention that's amazing this is I got to do a twitter video downloader twitter video oh my god this is so funny what whose fight is this christen this is chris and someone I don't know exactly who it is one of the comments is holy shit this is like if someone with Down syndrome tried to recreate the final fight scene in the matrix or equilibrium equilibrium it was kind of goofy at some points with the gun car to shit as well it's like gun kitty fights jumping around we need shad to analyze this I won't show any more in case of copyright that's pretty funny watch efab live don't watch it so I have something to listen to at work 2buttons.png oh yeah it's true I guess when they come out you can't watch them when you're doing your work and stuff that's probably a legitimate decision a couple people have to make then again you could just rewatch them all guys do it this is thank you so much for bringing this to my attention I'm saving this no problem this is like the the go to quintessential most stupid fight I kind of am at a loss for words so just carry on yeah that would be the kind of thing that if it cropped up as a fat woman I think we would just we'd be done I can't believe it I'm grinning ear to ear it's a long way for a dog I was just saying apparently rise of skylocker grossed 1.074 billion not even 1.3 so maybe they didn't break even I don't know what they would have to gross to just break even at that point you know it's weird go ahead oh that was it I was just saying solo bombed that's true solo bombed so tlj is the heart of this financial cancer for disney the last jet I made 700 million less than the force awakens the movie after that was solo that one lost money a lot of that is due to the extensive reshoots and then you have a from tlj the next star wars movie in line with it made 300 million less than it did so yeah the force awakens made twice as much as the rise of skywalker did but if you look at the income for the prequels they all pretty much made the same amount it's pretty consistent they started and ended pretty much the same level so it's a very very interesting contrast between the two triloges people were super excited for revenge of the sith the rise of skywalker there was just like lord vader rise I believe that was in the trailer and it's like oh my god rise grace total galactic saturation grace they rose in evil 5 on the topic of the Mary Sue for a self-aware roast of the trope I recommend giving the book series the saga of tanya the evil a read one of the main antagonists later in the story is an immigrant who comes to America becomes part of an international diversity core of the army goes to fight on behalf of communists in Russia has extremely OP magic abilities greater than anyone else and her name is literally Mary Sue spelled like Sue fall sort of thing huh oh like the oh like the the Indian tribe of the sue S I O U X yes there's there's also a buffy episode that satirizes the Mary Sue trope doesn't it yes superstar right yes season 4 yeah I I'm vaguely familiar with that episode like I said I've seen select bits and pieces of buffy and episodes just not the whole thing I want to see all of those bits and pieces no that's sex remember there was a wasn't uh Jessica Alba wasn't wasn't she nude in the Silver Surfer movie uh yeah you didn't get to see me you didn't get to see anything but yeah I mean isn't yeah she can't go naked with she can't go invisible while not being naked right well uh she's got right right right she's human torch and then she actually clothes Jessica Alba clothes yeah oh yeah she looks pretty good actually taking pictures and then she's like yeah they they managed to uh find a way to get invisible woman naked and uh both of those uh Tim story movies what is this non lord of the rings crap you still have to play battle for middle earth one and two the battlefield front rip off sorry war in the north and shadow of whatever games playing all them you guys got more lord of the rings out of the dolphin emulator than any other IP okay so you gotta give it a break when was the last time you guys treated yourselves to a vacation also high rags vacation um like do you mean like going outside of our towns to like chill and stuff uh it's been a while now I've been out of town a few times recently but it hasn't been a vacation it's been for like moving people to colleges and stuff like that um I think the furthest was Illinois went to Carbondale but which was a great trip but um like proper vacation I guess big vacation was probably when we went to Washington DC um last year an excellent trip I loved it I would never live in DC but it was great to visit all the monuments and the history and we went to the Smithsonian and everything like that it was great I loved it it was a fantastic trip um so that would that would be mine I mean I fucking I can't remember I went to um rexum for a con that was fun that was like 2 or 3 it was um just like I can't remember what the specific rate was no no it was like pop culture what is your persona gas mask man he's uh he's a furry in his heart I suppose uh the it was specifically I actually met spike from uh Buffy there it was really fun oh you'll you'll learn that character eventually ranks and you'll like him a lot I think so I'm saying ranks come back to DC I'll take you to the zoo this man knows the lore um but yeah I liked visiting DC but I wouldn't want to live there I don't like how crowded it is I don't like how transportation works I don't like the crazy libs everywhere but it was a great city to walk around and uh see I really did like it it was legitimately an excellent trip and I'm very glad that I went our next trip is going to South Dakota that'll be next year sometime between then I don't know it's been a while uh do do also also how did you get that thick ums after the EFAP 100 thick ums source EFAP 101 54534 what about thick cum well it's all spelt as one word so thick ums THICC UMS Thiccums I'm not sure what's referencing I don't know what that's referencing either um give me the give me what it's supposed to be from by the way everyone today this is your friendly reminder that if you middle mouse click on something then it will open that thing up in a new tab and if you middle mouse click a tab it'll close it EFAP 101 um 540 EFAP 101 Okie dokie EFAP 101 that one's doing well I was one of my favorites too I really like EFAP 101 54534 545 5 35 34 find the thick ums 545 it is tough to get that little bar where you need it to be when you have a 12 hour live stream you can uh raise it up and then it'll get thicker once you get to get more specific raise it up so like click the timeline drag it up yeah oh that's cool yeah 45 I did not know that that is some see we're learning all kinds of cool super cool hacker man tricks try it yourselves people at home 545 34 let's give this fuck this is what we were looking at at the time so how'd you get that thick ums what do you think he's referring I mean he's talking about how maybe I've gotten thicker but not really I'm just a fluffy guy I'm just a fluffy dog Mel's looking kind of kind of thick there a little bit a little bit are those his real shoes does he really have those slippers I wish he did I think he even likes those slippers I don't think he has though he likes to do is wearing slippers while watching battle is he also a coffee man uh I'm pretty sure he is yeah yeah I am not I am not a coffee man neither nor nahm nah you have to sugar-fy and you gotta do a lot of stuff to coffee for me to like it you guys feel free to add your thoughts on coffee black iced black iced I like coffee well frosted coffee from Chick-fil-A I guess what is frosted coffee it's kind of like frappuccino from Starbucks I guess what's a frappuccino from Starbucks not a frappuccino fuck if you put two cups of coffee in front of me and you said one of these is a macchiato and one of these is a frappuccino and one of these is a Kajuka Luca I need you to differ which one is which I don't think I'd be able to be like I don't know so a frappuccino is a frozen cappuccino oh oh it's cappuccino but fur okay I got it that works I approve of the nomenclature yeah it's um I guess it's like an icy or something like an icy cappuccino what's a cappuccino that's a good question I'll see so we're gonna find I think I know cappuccino I did two P's two C's so what is the difference between a latte and a cappuccino a traditional cappuccino has an even distribution of espresso not espresso right it's espresso very important steamed milk and foamed milk a latte has way more steamed milk and a light layer of foam a cappuccino is distinctly layered while in a latte the espresso and steamed milk are blended together um I have a very important question for you rags have you eaten at Chick-fil-A yeah you have Chick-fil-A okay you have okay yes we definitely it is always packed yes yeah same same here I have a Chick-fil-A that's right across the street from where I work it's uh it's great to have that for lunch almost every day um people love that Chick-fil-A yep um yeah get yourself a coffee from Chick-fil-A and uh send me your feedback afterwards I guess is it just coffee that's frosted I mean it's sweet because that might work because for me I I like um like caramel latte I watched myself caramel lattes from Starbucks I used to there's girl I knew and she'd hook me up a whole bunch she worked at a Starbucks um so I had a fair amount of those and I like them but black coffees and stuff nah see it's definitely not black I can tell you that much okay because when it comes to people um I treat everyone like they're black however when it comes to coffee I do I definitely very different in that regard mm-hmm alright then uh if you're still looking for a topic to talk about should you invite the internet crowned king of grifters who knows who sniffs spiders back the one and the only nicky screech rackets rakita law he's recently been watching old action movies on twitch is he like a grifter? rakita law? yeah I know of the channel I just don't know anything about this message is clearly got an issue with that apparently I don't know anything about his supposed grifting but I'm gonna even ask people to benefit the doubt and assume they aren't unless well we've been called grifters like fucking everybody's called grifters these days it's the new cool thing to call someone yeah that word doesn't have a lot of meaning I sincerely believe all of the things that I advocate for and I I do not at all see myself as a grifter but is it like an inside joke or a meme in uh rakita's like little oh apparently he has a joke with him okay all right sorry I guess it right I lack the context to know but he's been requested before we'll see about well there you go that's why I exercised a bit of caution on the conformation of griftery very important I don't like follow him too closely but I remember thinking about his coverage of the vikminyona situation was pretty good I think that's where he got found by a lot of people yeah he doesn't seem like a bad guy from his thumbnails so uh yeah well hitler didn't seem like a bad guy either rags I never saw hitler's thumbnails true I imagine they were clean yeah fairly well off I hear the man had a lot of fans I just abused a king of ghosts by throwing a lemon at him that's registered it's weird right like that's just something I can't you can't kill the king of ghosts assuming the king of ghosts is a ghost himself yeah he's a ghost his big tongue you can really just inconvenience the king of ghosts well like sending him back to the netherworld temporarily or something yeah or he has to like reform his ghostly you know his his I don't even know what to call it his ethereal spectral figure dude it's actually pretty terrifying right so the way you kill these enemies they'll like like tails who throw their shells at you that electrified if you spray them with water when they're in the middle of doing it they get electrocuted to death by the returning shell well serves them right you know what can I say I didn't manage to pull it off but uh I know it happens and I remember even as a kid being like damn what a way to go you really you're just deflecting what they would have done to you so yeah it's like it's like the great movie the rise of sky walker where the hero deflects the villains evil plan into his ray yeah ray deflect he uses the double lightsabers in the uh macrossism deflects that lightning right back at the evil emperor palpatine clone thing that's very true I was very inspired by that movie to be a better person and that is why it's good I'm sure that all the jedi I'm sure that it has been but I do have to ask just to you know try to confirm has anyone on the efap ever can um like brought up the fact that uh are we ever come have you confirmed we have come I have I have tamed I have arrived has um I lost my turn has ever been brought up that uh the scene in the rise of sky walker when ray fate kills chewy turns out that chewy is alive afterwards that's kind of ripped off of Raiders of the Lost Ark I don't think anyone's brought that up yet yeah you know and uh Raiders of the Lost Ark and Cairo when you think that Marion's been in the truck and then Cairo then oh no oh no oh I Cairo ran definitely ripped off Indy it's like it's like a much shittier version of that and it's something that I wouldn't have really like thought about if it weren't for the fact that the first half of the movie is just a shitty Indiana Jones movie already oh god yeah we gotta watch those we can still yeah we can also someone was saying that the thickums thing was referencing a drawing of of someone said a drawing of me as a doggo which is just of me um cuddling a thick cartoon girl which is I believe that's supposed to be mooper yeah mooper yeah that's the one sorry I get my ladies I cuddle in bed with mixed up sometime it's like one of my character flaws but I do remember that picture yeah it was from random mode I believe it was like a little that was a good shit you can go to sleep now because eFap100 is done sort of thing that's basically what happened too we were out fucking grab the pepper ghosts don't like peppers just in case you guys didn't know you call him Dr. Jones okay Dr. Jones I not touch anything I remember the family guy joke that's kind of disappointing actually thank you memory concerning the bathroom door question I too can appreciate the feeling of liberation that is an open door however once in a blue moon a really sweaty poop session can make one decide to forego normalcy and just hop in the shower afterwards instead yeah sometimes you take a shit that's so bad you just want to hop in the shower I've been there man doesn't happen too often for me normally I have fairly well formed excrement yeah I eat a lot of I have a good diet that really owes itself to clean eggs a tree so but sometimes man you just you're just like man we're taking a shower I ain't wise I'm fucking around rags check out rpg pundit on youtube he's a dnd 5e consultant who is cancelled for being anti-woke I heard about that I heard about it someone mentioned that to Saga on one of his streams so you may enjoy his video explaining the decline of writing in game of thrones maybe so that was a director for me I think at all yeah cool I'm only a priceless I can understand not needing a car where you are but man you need to know how to operate one you're massive no I don't it's so I mean it's a good skill to know yeah I wouldn't be against the idea of knowing how to drive a car much like many skills in life but I don't need to know how to drive a car I mean if I did need to know it I would know it if the zombies come then you won't be able to drive away I figure a bike is the best thing to have in a zombie apocalypse I think so yeah just because of the anything you need a bicycle just in case of concerns about fuel so I wouldn't have any concerns about fuel at least for the fur because fuel doesn't go bad for like six ish months or so oh yeah but where are you getting this fuel from though probably the gas pumps are directly from the tanks where is everybody going to be getting that from you know like my implication is the idea of the zombie plague itself yeah even if people get the gas it doesn't disappear it will be in their cars for sure but they're gonna they're not gonna let you have it right well assuming that 99% of people are dead they won't be there to stop you oh you seem like you could siphon gas out of yeah like all the cars like if there was a gas shortage people would hoard it yeah so I'd be totally pro car in fact I'd just be hanging out with you so you could drive me around but I would be like brags we gotta find some bicycles ahead of ready for when we no longer can use the car however many months that takes yeah bikes would definitely be that that or electric scooters but probably bicycles would be the way to go um cause after you run out of gas you know what about electric cars so I as far as I know I don't know how charging stations are delivered their electricity I assume they're attached to the power grid and chat please stop me if I'm wrong cause I don't know how much of this is correct but I'm going off assumptions I assume that these electric stations for cars are attached to the power grid in our charge that way um however there are ways of making electricity that are not that don't rely on the power grid however I'm curious if you could utilize these they either rely on gasoline powered generators or um some say coal powered cars um but yeah even and if it was like hand crank pumps and stuff like I think that would be like impractical to the point of not even bothering with it but yeah eventually you'd probably swap to something man powered like a bicycle the negative aspect of that is that you can't carry as much stuff with you yeah but you could fill pole carts on a bicycle and it wouldn't be that big of a deal it just depends on how much you carry um which you probably wouldn't need to carry too much stuff because a lot of stuff just lasts a long ass time anyway um the most difficult part about a supposed zombie apocalypse would not be the it would be after the gas goes bad after the food eventually goes bad um you know five years after the fact you know all that stuff when all the medicine perishes food perishes that's when the problem is um you should learn by stuffing your long man frame into an original 60s era mini feel like I might kill myself trying to get inside one but maybe they can make a large mini or does that defeat the purpose a biggie yeah yeah I mean mini coopers if we're talking about those those aren't like really mini if we're gonna be honest it's really just a brand thing the cars themselves aren't really small hmm super is probably a normal sized car really rags there is a place north of codiff called the three cocks coaching in it's a two star hotel will you give it a go a two star hotel that's not even one per cock well I feel like the only reason you'd go in is just to see what the three cocks coaching in looks like where are these three cocks I've heard so much about feels like bait to me I'm curious though but that's it for stream labs the ones that are sent in for this episode will be the beginning of the next catch up so this is now catching up with the last episode's ones this one says night rags so I think this is when you left ah nice which was like a few minutes wait could that copy it because there was like minutes before we finished yeah it was pretty much just like I need to leave go wrap up and you're about to close off anyway so I assume you ended almost immediately after I left I assume we had a whole party without you dang we talked about a party if I wasn't there we talked we talked about Ghostbusters 2016 so that's my favorite thing to talk about yeah I loved how bizarrely bad that movie was I do like that we've got an EFAT movies on that now it's done we never have to look at that film again people know how we feel okay permanent and it's not like you really have to do a lot of research in that movie so you know keep up with the discussion surrounding it it's just it's just rags I completely agree with you I have despised onions my whole life that texture dude yeah the texture is it just doesn't mix like an onion insists on you knowing it's there mm-hmm it gets upset if you don't yeah I just don't like I'm fine with onion powder I'm okay with like the light flavor of onions but when I bite into something and I get that weird crunch and then the onion taste with it thoughts on umbrella academy I don't know what you think about umbrella academy yeah I've not seen it I've seen people talk about it and I thought it was I was just sitting it was an anime from that name but it's not is it about um Resident Evil I think we've had I feel like this conversation has happened I was a critical drinker who's seen it I can't remember look it up umbrella academy it's an American web television series um on one day in 1989 43 infants are inexplicably born to random unconnected women who showed no signs of pregnancy the day before seven are adopted by billionaire industrialist Sir Reginald Hargreaves who creates the umbrella academy and prepares his children to save the world neat well yeah I know nothing about it except that haven't the foggiest hey guys watching from the start so is Kathleen Wright saying the force is female the force behaves like such a cunt oh my god oh my goodness gracious that's true though the force is kind of an ass the force is a piece of shit I'm just going to be you want to be clear on this one fuck the force if the force is an agent can you fuck the force though well the force is female hmm I mean you can fuck me with a male too I just don't know how you do it how do you how do you get at the force you know I don't know I guess having the force surrounds us it's in my hand when I jerk off so I don't know just tuned in and heard rags hating on birds don't even need the context I agree that birds are pricks Canada geese especially are demons pure hate yeah they're pests around here we really hate those birds of prey I still haven't seen that oh my god truck you are kindly invited to watch that with me and Evan in Buzzex have you all seen it yes we watched the three of us together I demand well I can just bring rags along then I want someone who hasn't seen it there they can share in my surprise and pain fuck no I haven't seen it it's um it's really weird I would say it's um it's worse than Aquaman but it's better than like whatever is right below what was right below Aquaman you know like if when you just say it's just below Aquaman say that it's just directly below Aquaman and better than the others okay it's better than Suicide Squad better than BDS but it's still terrible is Moopa or Gil I need to know for reasons can we truly be definitive about these things I leave it to the fans to decide Moopa is elusive you see um but fanart seems to have a definitive idea on that one do you think JJ realized that his force healing mechanic in Tross was literally the same thing as what Darth Plague has invented except Rey and Kyle Ben can also revive people on top of just healing them fuck I don't know I don't think he thought about it that much yeah I don't think he knew what the fuck he was doing just like whatever I find it infinitely funny though he brought out that Maddo episode right before it to be like see it's a thing this one baby did it that one time to this one guy it would be so funny because I think we talked about it right but like he heals the wound but the poison is still in him so he still dies maybe it was like oh fuck no maybe letting an infant be the one in charge of our healthcare was not the best uh not the best idea I'm sorry people try to justify the force healing with the Mandalorian episode oh yes I think Disney did I don't know about people in general I guess I guess some people probably did well it's like Neil Druckman says that how Joel is in Last of Us 2 makes sense because there's notes that you can pick up showing that they meet people outside Jackson all the time and bring them in so therefore it makes sense that they don't have like a vetting process or shit the idea that a whole community like that does not have a vetting process just creates an insanely horrible issue I love it when they use their own canon to justify their own canon the thing that doesn't make sense makes sense because it also doesn't make sense you're like yeah but we say that it happens that way your problem with Joel being stupid it's actually not a problem because you see Joel is really stupid he's cataclysmically stupid you can find a note where he writes about how stupid he is yeah Joel and Tommy are consistently stupid that's our defense great still not consistent with I have like a section in my review talking about how Tommy really shouldn't be acting the way that he is in this scene either people talk about Joel and I think that Tommy deserves even more shit and more flag and it's like if if you were to take Tommy from the prologue of the first game I guess that the way that he's acting in the second game would make some sense that he's trusting these strangers you know because that's what he's kind of willing to do picking up that family and shit but what the first game shows you is that he pretty much developed out of that right after Sarah died you think that losing his niece in the manner that he did would be enough to tell him that maybe he can't just change maybe he can't just trust any stranger that he meets joining the fire as well that's another thing with the power of head cannon South Pole we can make anything the history my god when that was happening I was like yeah this is going to be a long night isn't it I think it's the it's what happens a lot on EFAT when we have a guest who has never even come across like our strict sort of categorization for how we define problems and solutions they'll just be like yeah head cannon that's fine right and we're like oh oh he's sand fiction and instead it didn't bother me a lot he's like that doesn't bother me I'm just like dude that's not what we're talking about I mean it doesn't have to I got the impression that he just enjoyed the game and wanted to talk about how he enjoyed it he hadn't gone into it in detail the impression I got just liked it but it's just one of the things where we're trying to figure out if it's actually well written you know so we want people that think it's well written to come on and talk about it and yet they're never able to actually defend the writing there's the occasional times where it's like okay I got the detail wrong about them going to Jackson they had a truck alright that works okay that's like it's been slightly fixed I agree with that I agree but it's just the detail makes it slightly less worse I don't know if that's their truck well it doesn't matter I was about to say like it removes one problem but it adds a new one Isaac gave up a vehicle and gas that's true for that much travel it was never a I don't even think they'd mention it what you think they'd be like we gotta protect this truck I am tired of post apocalyptic storylines that don't value resources it's so fucking annoying yeah the biggest sandwich I'm gonna eat that so fuck you literally made out of cows and insanely rare resource in this scenario we barely fucking even got to talk about the story beyond Joel it's just like there's well built upon it was just time to move on we kept having to tone it back because there was so much to talk about so we were just like alright let's take it from the top here let's go real slow into this you know what blows my mind is that I did mention the farmhouse in that one bit but we never ever got around pointing out the fact that while Tommy had an arrow in his knee and a gunshot wound in his face and Dina he was all bruised up and had an arrow in her shoulder and Ellie's face was smashed up and her arm was broken they managed to get back to an on foot because they didn't have a horse I don't know if they managed to get a vehicle they got their hands on a working vehicle which the first game makes a point of saying is incredibly rare I hate that time jump it's easily one of the worst I've seen they just cut and expect you to think nothing happened it's this way now it's like how the hell did any of this happen and this farm was being in the entire vista except for the farm where the hell did this happen I hate it it's terrible agreed have you guys eaten a sandwich cake before sandwich cake sandwich cake I've had a nice cream sandwich let me google that sandwich cake sandwich cake let's say it's a cake that has meat and lettuce and I presume condiments so this is the picture it is a picture that pops up yeah I got that too that's the one I'm looking at yeah oh I understand so that looks not appealing dude I would rather just eat a sandwich why do I have to deal with it that way is that frosting or mayo I think it's I'm assuming it's mayonnaise because it's like sticking all over it and it looks a little bit like it's slightly dried I think the sweet taste with the bread and the meat I don't know about that I was going to say the method delivery for this food is weird I would rather just do a sandwich yeah so there you go we're pro segregation in terms of sandwiches and cakes is that also real asparagus that's lined up on the perimeter of the sandwich cake this is what happens if the vegans win okay your only options for meat is sandwich cake no hi I'm Clue and Alex Jones Star Wars prequel video I've seen both of them and they're both really good is Alex Jones's rant about the prequels about what they mean and what's going on in them is a lot of fun very engaging and yeah Clue's awesome I hereby declare the establishment of the grand army of the long if objectivity cannot be won through critique it shall be won by blood the blood of videos from video essayists getting paused to death on eFab sounds like some cutesy furry thing like I'm going to pause you to death it's like shut the fuck up fairy oh my god I know why does Clue Wars get so much wrong about Star Wars canon damn so Tim Christ has confirmed that the sandwich cake doesn't have frosting it's mayo that's actually disgusting at this point that's weird who would want that much mayo it's mayo it's frosting no thank you I'm sorry is there shrimp on top of this sandwich cake it is lined with shrimp it looks like they have a lovely sliced cucumber flower surrounded by shrimp god knows what the white stuff is it is lined with asparagus not even real flower wait I'm sorry cucumber flower you said yeah it's sliced up and they form the slices into the shape of a flower I've heard of cauliflower flower but not cucumber flower well well they're probably rather uncommon do you have to bake a sandwich cake or is it just made to bake this because of the sandwich part now you might bake the asparagus separately and put those around the side why would you even bother that's just an incentive okay so you cook meat before you put it in a sandwich oh yeah yeah yeah you do that but like well I think the cake refers to the shape mostly in the construction but asparagus probably cooked for taste reasons because you could cook it and then let it be at room temperature or chill it afterwards and it would still taste different than a raw asparagus I have to paraphrase this guy it's a small amount of mayo for it assuming that's mayo it looks too solid to be mayo honestly oh rags what if they've done some into it oh like if they've added some starch or something like that to it to make it a bit more stick maybe I don't know I could check the I could check the recipe so let me go to um sandwich recipe cake and I'll go to that image and then I will give it a little look see this is from see let's click on it this is about recipes.sainsbury.co.uk you are the ones to blame for this all right so here is the ingredient no wonder we declared our independence I'm sorry so 300 grams of asparagus 300 grams of king prawns 450 no 450 grams of full fat cream cheese so that's cream cheese but there's also 100 grams of double cream and I don't know what that is so I'm going to have to look at it there'll be cream cheese and not mayo so double cream is the British term for heavy or whipping cream okay all right whipping cream is that like a slavery thing yes it's when the slaves do not um it's when you it's when the slaves are not uh the the slave cream is not working in the fields fast enough or you catch them ogling your wife damn you know a bit of a whipping yeah uh we have 100 grams smoked salmon slices 75 grams of sour cream one half cucumber thinly sliced I was correct on the cucumber two whole meal country loaf I assume that's a bread I assume that's the bread is that um lemon juiced and sasted and one tablespoon of dill finely chopped it's not my fault it's needless man just get a bunch of sandwiches if you're gonna like I don't know are you gonna use this for a wedding well I think part of it is for the the spectacle right this is a very interesting looking piece of food that clearly has a lot of work put into it and it does have an artistic quality to it I would not let it anywhere near my mouth and I'll eat an asshole but I will not put this thing anywhere close to my mouth this is the this is the culinary equivalent to I'm thinking of ending things I think no this is way too complicated um things if you were at a wedding and you're like oh sweet cake you walk up to it and you're like slice into it and you get some odd feedback like is that tomatoes like the knife is tearing up it doesn't want this please don't make me cut this thing it smells weird but yeah in regards to the Clone Wars breaching Star Wars continuity I would we can't comment we haven't seen it it would have been cool if Anna was here to do a chest say on that I suppose I know that Theo who was on eFab actually recently finished the Clone Wars and um not not not what I would call oh fuck I died not not what I would call the most positive of reviews what are the you're able to pull up the stream let me yeah let me you need to hear the sound John is making what the fuck that oh he's got a juice meter oh I died a juice meter that doesn't make sense Yoshi's got a juice meter he's running out of juice I just like we die together Yoshi so this is a cry for help yes we're staring at Yoshi Yoshi's juice meter so yeah what I was trying to say was that maybe we can get Anna and Theo on at some point and they can debate the Clone Wars while me and Rags laugh in the background oh great it could be like you know sort of have it take place in the middle of the attack of the clones coverage and the revenge of the Sith coverage oh yeah we still have to get around to that there's a lot of things we got to get done for EFAP of course this was would have been episode 101 if not for just lots of scheduling conflicts and different flim flams flying around so many things to do EFAP 100 if it covered everything we had planned to cover on it probably would have been like a hundred hours which by the way is not something we're doing okay and people gonna be like why not why not make it a hundred out no put it down chat anyway Molo watch Mob Psycho 100 it's made by the punch man guy Kengan Ashura is also pretty good but cuts a whole lot of stuff from the manga alright yeah Molo will definitely read that well they said watch Molo will definitely watch that yeah there you go I mean you watch a manga right manga so the first part the command was watch Mob Psycho 100 and then they said it's the uh some stuff cut from the manga I see which is the sad part but I imagine not cut enough to not be recommended cut out the bad parts maybe what does Yoshi want is that it's a pineapple got all this fucking shit I do for that dinosaur left five hours ago and you're still going here's my love for what you were doing thank you very much glad you enjoy what did you think of Brittany Venti's take on take on what they're asking ER for Britain what do you think of Brittany Venti's take I don't know what it's from reference to though maybe it's just because she's a woman and they take shit I don't know wow I imagine she's had a take recently on something or maybe we were talking about some topic maybe it's to do with cuties could be I don't know wow this Yoshi is two seconds old and it's already been enslaved yep the beauty of Mario they make slavery okay it's like the bible what oh my god I think having a way to measure force sensitivity makes sense however I think metachlorians were a poor implementation of that idea well I don't even know if they're a poor implementation because of how oddly they're defined yeah it's really hard to be definitive on that one I think we don't know if metachlorians are the result of the force in you or they give you the force or like the metachlorians are an emergent property of how much you study the force or how much potential you have like I don't know it's weird I probably wouldn't have gone anywhere near it if it were me we're not doing that keep it ambiguous and vague if you were given no chose choice and had to choose one would you rather have your brain implanted in the body of abbey from the last two test holiday or lori lightfoot if you choose one the first two you can't change body shape test holiday let me that's a no and the third one was lori lightfoot who there oh um yeah we're gonna go with abbey I'll go with abbey with none of those three lori lightfoot looks like a like actually looks like a zombie is the implication that if you choose abbey you end up in the post apocalypse while the other two end up in it well to be fair lori lightfoot is in Chicago so you know tomato tomato um test holiday is gonna be dead at any point because her heart just gives up but at least abbey is super healthy like very strong and super healthy it's just a bit of an aesthetics issue man uh you gotta be pretty strong man yeah I'd wanna be abbey yeah and someone would be like you can't change that body type is like well I mean that's just that's not even a bad thing in a post apocalypse and if it's not post apocalypse it's just modern times like I wouldn't be an issue really it's not my thing personally if we talk about aesthetics but um I mean you'd be healthy and strong and that's already a very very good thing to be oh fucking useless throw as Mary Sunshine again cool I wanna play that game again anyway ragu source I hear that shiba inu's are not affectionate dogs is this true uh where it's very selectively affectionate um the fewer people who get our affection the more valuable that affection becomes this is snuggle's law and you have a question go ahead well um I just realized that when we talked about Anthony Hopkins not being dead right uh I just want to point out Wilford brimley originally came up when someone asked who's that guy who's alive and then Wilford brimley was brought up and then within a month yeah yeah brimley first name that came up okay so then if we say so if we assume that Anthony hopkins is dead does that mean that we might have actually made him immortal yeah I thought you were just talking about the actor from gladiator who played Marcus Aurelius I never said that he was dead or and I never insinuated that he should or is dead and I was not surprised to hear that he's alive I assumed he was I have that the whole point that Marcus Aurelius was being brought up in in that instance was because an actor had passed away and that was because I was totally lost and I had no idea what was going on for some reason I thought that you were talking about who the actor was who played Marcus Aurelius and for some reason in that one moment Anthony Hopkins just popped into my brain which of course meant it came out the mouth I mean it's a very sensible way of reasoning I guess no it isn't at all 100% sensible I mean that's just your opinion I think it's a fact I think about my opinion aligns with reality and yeah this was 100% like last eFab about my understanding and it's still relevant because I haven't finished it yet so good job Super Chat your future proved yourself a little bit oh yeah that reminds me rags my dogs jump regularly is this something wrong with you or is it just a Shiba thing to not like jumping so there seems to be this this I feel like it's a bit of a misunderstanding with my position on jumping fine with the concept of jumping I mean I'm with you there and we fight the gravity you know but it's just that it was originally the thing that brought it up was Halo's jumping is weird considering how heavy you are and how floaty the jumping is and I think that it's just a holdover from older games that got essentially it became a familiar mechanic to the series of Halo so it was carried forward through and it was never like a big deal for me I just casually mentioned that it's kind of weird that Halo floating is so jumpy when you have this 1,000 pound super soldier and armor and all that stuff that was all that it was there's nothing beyond that I'm fine with jumping I love jumping myself it's great for crossing chasms and getting over you know water puddles getting over a chasm jeez yeah if you have a chasm and you have to you know get across it rags are you jealous that I get to play a game where I spray people with my juices to make them happy um no I get to live it oh, fair enough um mmhmm yeah what anime do you think is overrated oh damn that would have been an interesting one to hear his answer for get everybody mad slash not mad I don't even know what is a typically accepted overrated anime I can't even answer that question I'm not even sure I think they're all fucking overrated what about uh one punch man is that overrated I don't know well then I think anime fans will fucking eat up anything as far as I'm concerned so I don't even know how to begin getting into what's overrated I don't know most anime fans have a hatred for particular animes I find they'll always have one with like oh fuck that one particularly uh yeah maybe how do I get watered back is it through there fuck it I'll just have to survive uh what's the group's thoughts on the mummy the frazier one pretty good yeah the first one's great we're gonna do the trilogy of them for refut movies eventually still need a bit more time so we can more thoroughly together what do you mean trilogy I mean trilogy I mean we're watching that third one because it's fucking funny there are four good sir I was about to say the Tom Cruise one that's not a quadrilogy wait wait no there was there was the mummy there's the mummy returns and then there's isn't there a third egyptian one two mother dragon emperor that's the chinese one isn't that I thought there were three egyptian ones trilogy no no is the scorpion king is the scorpion king yeah but the scorpion king is his own thing yeah okay because I thought he I thought the scorpion king was in a mummy movie well he is so the scorpion king is not part of the mummy stuff well you could call it it's a part of the universe but it's certainly not in the line of films it's like a solo movie I think there are like four of them at this point the scorpion king movies I think the only one that the rock is in isn't the first one right I remember enjoying the first one it's probably really shit but still scorpion king oh my goodness gracious okay um so I just googled the scorpion king and we've got this scorpion king 2002 we have scorpion king 2 Rise of a Warrior we have the scorpion king 3 Battle for Redemption we have the scorpion king and we have the scorpion king 4 Quest for Power there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 scorpion king films at least well I'm sure they're all fantastic and you said that you're not watching the 2017 mummy Mahler? oh well I'm not against it I just mean that it's not the Frasier trilogy you know of course but yeah I mean I still haven't seen it I watched the first 10 minutes and I gave up because I thought it was so fucking shit already so that's definitely ifap movies material it's I could barely watch it it was so dull and the story made no sense at all okay so the scorpion king has prequels and sequels alright so following the films release there were initial plans for a sequel with Johnson to return as Matthias and go up against the new villain Sargon oh my god but these plans eventually fell through and the project was shelved a direct to video prequel the scorpion king 2 Rise of the Warrior was released in 2008 with Michael Copen as Matthias and Randy Couture as Sargon a sequel the scorpion king 3 Battle for Redemption was released in 2012 with Victor Webster as Matthias and Billy Zane as the villain King Dallas maybe we should do a scorpion king if our movies rise well we gotta do Resident Evil too in the fourth film in the franchise the scorpion king 4 Quest for Power was released in 2015 Webster reprised his role by Michael Bean Rutger Hauer Luke Farigno and former WWE wrestler Eve Torres joined the cast Will Kemp portrayed the villain of the film Drazen and the fifth and final film Scorpion King Book of Souls was released 23rd of October of 2018 Zach McGowan played Matthias while Peter Mensa portrayed the villain Nebserek so one of these Scorpion King 4 has Rutger Hauer and Luke Farigno in it I mean that's just I want to watch the scorpion king movies now I'm oh man I'm so fucking ready for the scorpion king 4 Quest for Power the amount of fucking movies we gotta watch wow the scorpion king cinematic universe is um please god never have vtubers on do vtubers is real or are they just bots and shit how does that work again cause I've never watched one is it is there a person who speaks and then the anime avatar just tries to match what they're saying like through a coding and shit I don't know maybe but if a vtuber wants to come on evap and they have a lot to say about a movie you know can we really stop them I don't think so nor would we want to in regards to the most overrated anime I think it's Fairy Tail I would love to see er destroy it or destroy that show yeah anime and you said it's an efap I've been called a fairy and I got it oh wow oh by the way there's a guy who sent you some I sent you art by him not long ago he did one for me and he also did one for metal oh shit that looks like stained glass window art kind of yeah are you able to because I've got it squared away on a different set right now are you able to repost the one for me as well I'll get the other two up yeah let me scroll up and grab that Azrothor is the guy you made these Azrothor very nifty looks really cool I have blue nachos behind me metal has turquoise circles and moller is he's in a spooky red forest yee or hell either way I was going to say it kind of looks like hell I don't know yes they're really awesome thank you very much azrothor these are coolio I would put them in my window if I had an efap chapel or something similar e-chap e-chap efaple yeah it's really cool thank you where am I going aha um you cannot say black followed by man in relation to the super chats I think oh yeah that's right because everyone was trying to write white man was it yeah something like that I remember that which explains why you got green man wow black Asian and white don't work but green does and then this one says men uh red man I can't get through any race of men just men just blue men work I'm assuming green and blue men work yeah I don't know why they wouldn't because you could be referring to like an alien like little green men or you could be referring to the blue man group uh wasn't isn't red man like a way of saying Native American man and like blue man references a man who is choking so yeah these are all unacceptable I mean like the Peter Pan movie from Disney they have a song called what makes the red man red yeah it's a great song pretty pretty amazing uh OG Disney song they're trying to forget about all stuff like that I think I'm assuming that now this is all built upon the premise that she really is at least 18 fucking hot all right if she is beneath that then I don't have any interest or opinion on her whatsoever um you can write long man so there you go that's something hang on rags are you saying that you're not like Mr. Girl what a name what a name yeah uh I am a white man but uh yeah uh Tiger Lily fictional character in J.M. Berry's 1904 play Peter Pan or the boy who wouldn't grow up which I believe we've covered him many times on e-fab oh yeah I don't know you could be referring to so many people right what do you mean Tiger Lily was like 11 was she like 11 let me see alright Tiger Lily age I don't know because it depends because in this 1907 illustration of Tiger Lily by Oliver Herford she is definitely like she looks very womanly um and in the 1924 silent film Peter Pan she's playing by played by Anna Mae Wong um who was at the time she was born in 1905 and this play was in 1924 which means that she is she is 19 at the time um in so you're talking about the um the Disney version of Tiger Lily right um I maybe I am maybe I'm not so yeah Anna Mae Wong she's looking she's looking good she was born Wong Lee Lee Song Wong Liu Song so yeah she died in 1961 hmm yeah daughter of Wong Sam Sing and Lee Gong Toy yeah she paid less attention to her film career during World War 2 when she devoted her time and money to help the Chinese cause against Japan rags I quit wow because of BFA and have since been on and off MMOs looking for a good replacement do you recommend Guild Wars 2 I definitely do I love it I play it often in fact I uh during the stream as we were casually chattering I did my dailies um but yeah I do enjoy Guild Wars 2 quite a bit a lot of stuff to do fun combat nifty world fun to play uh I have an 80 Elementalist but never really got into the game much thoughts um yeah so one thing that happened with me was originally I bought it when it came out played it for a while enjoyed it I had one level 80 character and I just did other stuff and for years I basically forgot about Guild Wars 2 but earlier this year I got back into it now it's one of my regular games that I play um it is very easy to jump right back into things I will say that a lot of good new additions uh depending on you know when you last played like there's mounts now and all sorts of nifty stuff good short short nor entertainment says now I'm dreading a Disney live action remake of Peter Pan now you're dreading a Disney live action remake of Peter Pan now is when you're doing that I mean I mean I feel like the cork has popped we've had so many of these awful ones just like yeah just the rest of them are coming there's no real way to escape it never gonna be good ever there was a book I read that I really enjoyed uh called Peter and the Star Catchers which is like a Peter Pan prequel almost something a side story for Peter Pan sort of that sort of thing I really enjoyed liking it um easily digestible book I enjoyed liking it yes I did and then it was fun fun read pretty nifty I'm sorry someone in chat says Berg that hook movie was awful the one with Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman I mean I liked it I haven't seen it in ages though but did it have uh Rutger Hauer and Lou Ferrigno like Scorpion King 2 or Scorpion King 4 quest for power not to my knowledge no alright that's fair enough someone's are waiting for a live action bambi movie very well trained deer it's a shame one of the actresses is gonna have to get shot but that's gonna be the uh the price of art really it's devotion to craft uh ER have you seen Vinland Saga what did you think I'm afraid he cannot answer that no do do do do do watch Star Wars Theory Trostreview also get Tyrone Magnus on he hates the sequel trilogy oh he was one of the usual suspects yeah I've seen some of his content and he seems like a really cool dude is uh is Star Wars Theory the one who recently said like they lied to us and everything we covered him a bit on the erotic stream I think or is there someone else I can never keep track because all the name the channel name is a little bit generic you know Star Wars Theory I think it is though if I'm any Jojo while bar woman is on hiatus Jojo that is definitely an ornament arm feel like bar woman would definitely be a better superhero than that woman I mean most are you know like it's just if her power is just you know doing a pub crawl every night still probably be a better superhero see I went to like a metal bar and she can make them and throw them at villains you know that I mean that works too seems like the obvious thing to think of when thinking of bar woman you know even weird can you say that that woman has really lowered the bar when it comes to our standards for female superheroes she came before Captain Marvel right what did she I remember Captain Marvel always comes first well I think was Captain Marvel that came first yeah but Marvel never really let the villains just go the way that that woman does oh yeah that woman between the two I would say that which one's the most morally right that woman did lower the bar even after Captain Marvel I'm sorry yeah like the bar sank definitely I think we did agree she's the worst right that one like a character it's like a horrible person I mean I think that's what we decided on terrible I guess it's just a matter of you know which one degrees of terrible but she's not as bad as Abbey the worst is definitely Abbey yeah I mean Captain Marvel was going around punching Skrull women in the chest going I hope you were pregnant and yeah that's that would be pretty bad your favorite Jintama character they're all great but I have to go with Jintoki, Kagura and Sucura yo while you're reading out that weebspeak I'm gonna go use the loo well why would you say that after I finished the weebspeak fucking ruined everything do a core video with ER sand Steven Universe I mean it's not something that I know should all about but I'm up for that if we can find some more that might suit ER's interest next time he's around of course we were lucky this time we got to cover a video with him about him oh fuck I died um that video was something else the one that tore apart Shad for being someone who should be off YouTube anomaly is a criminal ER's a comedian destroyed us all um I did not hit her I did not it's not true it's bullshit oh hi rags I'll have to read that out now see the second he leaves he gets a hi rags terrible anyone excited for the two Joker sequels I hope good there's two Joker sequels I don't think they're coming but they're coming I don't think of those have been confirmed I've been gamed to see where it goes but I I hesitantly I don't want to sequel in all honesty leave Arthur Flick alone yeah and everyone's concerned they'll probably like adopt it into a universe right I mean like if they were to continue Arthur's story make it maybe like a one flew over the cuckoo's nest kind of story set in Arkham maybe that could be interesting but I'd rather be just don't do it um yeah I mean it would be a situation of leave well enough alone but um I'd give it a chance if it was all the same creative team you know somehow I doubt it will be as strong as the first one but it'd be worth checking out um I Molar and rugs from Australia uh I feel like if you watched cuties and liked it you should be put on a watch list probably art to be honest I really agree with that we're probably on a watch list despite not liking it just by virtue of watching it um I don't blame who's ever making that watch list man that's that keep an eye on people who watch that movie and especially the ones who like it yeah um PSA for efeb chat don't watch cuties coming in from me and Evan just don't do it really bad time if um if you guys want to uh to watch us reacting to it though it's on my secondary channel very funny stuff but um it was very miserable to uh sit through and edit over the course of two days uh do do do do you guys are still here after my shift so proud of you boys and you too Anna doing better than Aiden have a glass of rhino milk on me yeah you are in um Anna stayed right till the end kind of amazing uh really loved you twisted shells of men and women uh PS first super chat thanks for introducing me to ER no problem you haven't seen ER's work prior it's uh it's a fun library to go through just tear in media to shreds I can't watch this alt right leftist podcast run by centrist conservative Nazis I mean you know if you have issues with all of those policies then yeah I guess this podcast isn't for you you missed a high rags rags oh hello to you so sorry that didn't quite go through straight away and get a a beer this is a fat tire amber ale very delicious good stuff I was in a little bit of snackage or as they say in Japan snakage um I got myself a Lara bar shockingly wouldn't know I wouldn't have known this wouldn't have bought this if I knew it 17 grams of sugar per fucked me right really geez yeah like so yeah I'm not going to be buying these so you're saying it's good for you what I'm saying is I should have I should have just stuck with the energy drinks because at least one of those monsters which has twice the sugar of this bar it'll last me way longer than twice as much as this Lara bar will so I'm just rags talked himself into a very tight corner never not once plus even if I did a corner is when I'm the most dangerous there you go like you ever back to squirrel into a corner yeah they'll fuck you up fucking vicious hmmm pagey on youtube defends batwoman also watch elsewields uh I don't know who pagey is but uh you know everyone's everyone's welcome to you know the defending batwoman it's a tough sell to me but maybe you know maybe there's something there that we didn't catch like like what flavor what flavor Lara bar these ones are yeah peanut butter chocolate ones which I assumed would have some sugar in it because it's peanut butter chocolate right I didn't think it would be this much I assumed it's like no like that's way more than I thought so but rags should have grabbed a corona instead of a fat tire hell no fat tires this stuff's way better than corona corona's fine don't get me wrong totally fine if I was stuck at a wedding or some bullshit like that I would drink corona more than one but um yeah this stuff's good I think it tastes better can't find this pagey person I'm curious I want to find this batwoman defender yeah it will spell page y but then if you can't find him with pagey hand batwoman as keywords and yeah I don't know pagey I mean I tried pagey look at pagey batwoman uh oh I spelled it completely incorrectly I well not completely I spelled pagey with it with an I as if it was like a person named page it's a PAG that's what fucked me up okay um top five choices to be the new batwoman batwoman season 2 from pagey from four months ago is there like a like why batwoman is good sort of thing or I'm not seeing anything in the results for pagey batwoman oh no here's a channel all I had to do was type in pagey batwoman and like all the search results are that there we go yeah yeah yeah yeah so there you go I mean yeah we will maybe give it a look maybe we'll cover something with the as and jay longbow about batwoman could be fun absolutely that could make for a great e fat fucking boat physics cringe moley your captain model video is my favorite and how I found you I'm happy to hear it it is um the right skull courageous like my most viewed video people really like that one captain model is not very good don't know if you guys knew uh no never knew I love it great she's such a hero it's time for her to rise all you could shoot batwoman in the neck she shows it off uh is her neck not protected by the suit I'm sure her neck is just not her face your jaw is right there just grab it now all her mouth and everything just fucking shoot her it's fucking hilarious because um someone tried recently comparing uh batman bat fleck deflecting laser fire from the parademons and the snatter cut to um christian bale's batman allowing himself to get shot at the end of the dark night um by harvey dent and thinking like well context here is that uh he has to let harvey kind of shoot him because if he's like shoot me harvey and harvey shoots him and he just deflects them that's kind of going to escalate the situation and um yeah he wants harvey to think he's down for the count right and uh someone then said well why didn't he just try blocking the bullet with his arm or something he's like well first off uh batman doesn't have super reflexes like that because he's supposed to be a human he's he's better than the average person but faster than a speeding bullet because you doubt it um but the other thing I was thinking about is uh the way that batman's armor works in that movie is not going to have the same comic book physics as uh dceu batman has I guess where he just has um really advanced armor on his uh bat suit that can't really exist in real life whereas no one's trying to be a little bit more grounded so if he tries to block a bullet with his arm the bones in his arm are going to shatter um yeah I was about to say like he gets like batman gets like shot directly in the back of the head and dawn of justice in it like it doesn't that in reality would either break the helmet or that would give you an insane concussion but like he's just walks it off in that movie yeah he's got an exception the wanes it all the wanes had it an exceptionally thick skull um that they say could deflect even small arms fire yeah yeah it's really implausible unless you have something like vibranium it depends really um yeah you'd have to have some kind of a special bat metal something because uh the the blood impact of a bullet is nothing to scar fat it is still a still a projectile hitting you at a very high speed well it's it's funny uh that woman the the bat suit functions that way the bat suit might as well be made of vibranium well it she holds up her cape yeah exactly hit it and it doesn't even like sway yeah it's fucking crazy dude that's like the toughest uh cape fabric in existence I lost episode was really good that was really good Naruto machete man it was good it didn't feel like a finale episode yeah but it it was good though it was definitely what we sign up for but not what fans probably do you how do you know what they fucking sign up for uh do you read the super chats from the premiers also hi uh I'll have to collect them up I suppose most of them are just like hello and uh blank but um I can have a look on mula obviously if you want to uh super chat for us to directly respond efep is all the main channels the way to go for that but I wouldn't say it's like impossible that I can collect those up and put them into rotation if you will um scene fix for attack of the clones the assassin droid is a bomb and blows up padme's bedroom anakin senses it a second before the explosion padme falls and anakin demonstrates his power in jumping after her they grow closer from this um are you suggesting the bomb blows up her whole place and she falls like down the city does anakin move her out of the room in time or not sure yeah I'm not exactly certain like if if because of an explosion she like she falls from the building maybe because of the force of the explosion but and he dives after downwards and catches her I don't know how he saved himself at that point um I I don't know if I do that I think there could be more plausible ways of having that whole thing happen that droid should have just had a gun like not gone off like and back to zam after Obi-Wan hung on to it there's a lot to change up the scene shot her and then self-destructed and that would have been that oh yay apparently Zazz is going to be in season 2 of batwoman I'm really looking forward to seeing they already ruined tommy ellie it's still ruined characters that are great in batman stories they're going to ruin something true enough don't let him ruin something I mean he's already been I'd say he was kind of ruined in burza pray but I mean it's batwoman they can always do worse that's the spirit yay does anyone mention the animated Jurassic Park show on Netflix oh dude I saw it was so cheap and I'm just I can't believe that that like actually has the Jurassic Park name attached to it it's like how could they afford it with how cheap that show looks it's just cringe where did they get that money I don't know who made that I don't even know where the hell it came from it's insane they should have put some of that money into the animation money in chat you too do realize the scene needs to culminate with pabby surviving an explosion would have killed it the question for the super chat or the fix clearly demonstrates that she doesn't die from the explosion also an explosion isn't a guaranteed kill like an explosion has concussive force and it could have blown her back or it could have knocked her off balance if she was on the balcony or if maybe the explosion was coming towards her and Anakin sensed it at the last second and pushed it away which gave some distance between the two or the explosion destroys a part of the apartment which causes her to fall from it or she's maybe dangling on to some part of the building before falling there's a lot of stuff you could do with explosions they're very messy in that aspect so you could make it work if you insisted on an explosion you could make it work turning for the saddest death it gave me right there flood doesn't even die it's a fake out um I'm not actually mad but it genuinely did sound like rags thought the hardcore henry requests came from multiple people I just wanted the doggo to notice me uwu oh I assumed it was mostly one guy but I assumed that also some people might have jumped on to the the meme aspect well that's right I used to do that whenever someone said watch hardcore henry if ever it was not from the same guy I would probably point out like oh that's from a different guy yeah and also I don't see the names of the super chats when moller reads them out as well mmhmm unless he otherwise states them he sees them in text form I do not I get to I get the audio format such as this one could we watch jarrod's new vids they're really funny no no no no no I'm gonna stay away from that land mine land fill land land bad he plans to make a return to youtube in like a year's time or less so wow and he considers coming on efap the greatest regret of his fucking time on the internet oh yeah he really damaged his reputation yeah so uh can't imagine coverage will lead to anything good uh okay can understand rags reasoning for hating harley but don't agree with Anna saying maga robby was a good casting uh it's kind of hard for me to judge because I've only seen her in films I thought was shit so I wonder if it's who or if it's wolf of wall street no no I mean as harley quinn oh yeah yeah yeah well she's only been in one movie other than if you haven't seen birds of prey that is to say true oh she's in suicide squad too as well isn't she so they're really I think they're putting a lot of stock in her as a DC character aren't they they really are they're pushing that especially with like the more villainous I think that she's kind of the face of like the anti-heroes and it's like oh it's so cool the villains like oh okay she's like DC's deadpool now pretty much yeah that's a mento video on birds of prey is really good so what's oh we cut yeah he he breaks down Jack Sparrow and Deadpool and like says that like the birds of prey tried to capitalize on that it's actually pretty good stuff you're like he shows a lot of examples yeah I ended up agreeing with most of what Filmento said in that video comparing birds of prey to Deadpool 2 which is very accurate and comparing Harley Quinn in that movie as a mixture of Deadpool and Captain Jack Sparrow but not the Captain Jack Sparrow from the good Pirates of the Caribbean movie but the the fifth one yeah which is kind of where he's at a point where he's he's a shell of his former self he's basically become a what's the term it's flanderization you know where he's yeah the one trait of no it's like there's a trope called flanderization where a certain trait of a character becomes their only trait which is what happened to Flanders why'd you say no when I referenced him well I'm referring to a trope not a character where it gets name from the character true moving on Anna do you like super movies I heard you like super movies superhero movies do you like oh god I don't play Sonic Heroes in ten years possibly more than that did you play at ranks nope I don't think I have played any Sonic game well a lot of them are shit including possibly Sonic Hero I hear a lot of them are shit I hear like they're almost exclusively shit the first couple on the Sega Genesis are good I remember Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations I remember playing them I thought they were good oh did you beat your Mario game I did beat my Mario game wow remember when we were super young and like beating a video game was a huge accomplishment and it was incredible and amazing and now we're just like yeah it's when I beat Super Mario Sunshine again you blast through them these days I don't know what's happening in this cutscene YouTube takes like 45% of the money from Super Chats 30 I think it's like is it 35 I think it's 30 well there you go it's too much yeah it's a pretty crazy amount of percentage but you know it's the rules Rags I too am the oldest of four with a brother and two sisters what's the order in your family boy boy girl girl though we've almost got an older foster brother whom we include to I'm the oldest then there's my brother who's behind me by a couple years then there's a gap and then there's my two sisters who are one year apart from each other so I guess my parents took a break and then they just got the itch again I don't know but that's how that worked out so boom there you go boy boy girl girl oh god oh jeez sonic what am I as you hold forward and press buttons one of my favorite angry joe videos is his sonic freeriders review shit was hilarious I don't remember freeriders is that one shit it's a connect game where you're on like a hoverboard and oh yeah the controls are apparently fucking horrible and it's excruciating to play angry joe I think he gave it like a one I feel like it should be called sonic free ballers because none of them were pants fuck the controls I'm just winging it here uh rags reciting bobby bobby movie plots mola play the luke drinking milk what the fuck clip rags has many passions what can I say what like drinking milk like a lot of milk and reciting bobby bobby movie plots I think some of them might actually hold up I'd be curious to watch them again maybe y'all can join me and we could analyze to see if barbie particularly princess and the pauper is uh some good to them I'm wondering if it holds up if you went back in time to where you were voice acting for the ant game would you tell yourself to use the welsh voice the david attenborough voice or normal voice the dig in the ground I mean I was happy with the one I did it wasn't my usual voice it was more of a narrator one I don't know how to do david attenborough one I think that would be a it would stop making the game a little goofy whoa I thought tales had died this is a very serious game about controlling ant exactly you gotta make it all spooky and narrative based and get people into the idea that when their ants die that's catastrophic what's more sad than a dead ant really do you know what I am I learned something random on reddit yesterday oh today I can't remember there's about bees and how with queens if a queen dies they feed a bunch of larvae royal jelly to like get them to become queens and they give that to several hatch and be a queen the rest of them are eaten well you can't have a power struggle alright bees are ruthless yeah man imagine a world where we like grew humans specifically faking things wouldn't that be fucked up oh my god moller don't feel like if that was a part of your world building that would be fucked that would be a horrendous world to live in I would never be able to get past that if I came to learn of it what are you guys talking about nothing so anyway moving on rags rate the bobby movies one to ten don't think go so a lot of it is based on memory I can do my top couple though which would be barbie as princess and the pauper is my favorite then after that I don't know which ones are best after that but I would probably say swan lake and rapunzel are really really high up there I think that mermadia mermadia is a subset of the ferritopia movies didn't care for that one if I'm going to be honest not a big ferritopia fan I think it's fucking bullshit and girly that's really silly couldn't get into it but the other ones I quite like a lot of it is based on the villains dancing princesses was alright I think there's some pretty huge plot issues with that one but it was alright it was a good evil villain she's no priminger don't get me wrong but you know she's a badman he's definitely a badman but that's enough there was another one I think it was that comes to mind I think that was oh nutcracker was pretty good that's not my nutcracker at all well the memes of rags and barbie are going to be great as they should be yeah so far they've been pretty great yeah mike get an er's oven schnell schnell oh my god er has his own personal oven for cooking people yeah I don't know who knows what ovens are for these days ifap movies but with barbie movies please featuring Anna everyone wants it I don't know if everyone wants it but it's definitely well I didn't say I didn't I was just saying the fans you know can we be sure that all of them want it I don't know because of course we only cover things fans want like ghostbuster 2016 they all love that movie they did want that the numbers actually imply that they did yeah they really did like it I forgot to ask by the way while bees were being talked about ifap movies wicker man win I keep dying on this pop boo who knows you know we need like a nicolas cage run through a bunch of movies probably that's how I would justify it how do I head up there knuckles you fuck this is flying okay fine fluckles I mean would you rather go by the name knuckles or fuckles knuckles or fuckles I believe I brought up the fuckles in Hardcore Henry as well I'm gonna I'd rather be known as knuckles that's boring knuckles sounds like it could kind of be a non-derogatory name but I feel like fuckles is just people messing around with you they don't take you seriously if I'm knuckles I definitely want people to take me super serially I feel like if they're trying to be derogatory though they would just call you chuckles I don't know it depends on my disposition community warrants against nic cage marathons that's true oh yeah I remember that I can make you insane yeah Google your real life name muller the kiwi farms article that comes up with some truly hilarious things to say about you it's worth a quick glance I tend to avoid kiwi farms I've only ever associated with doxing so I'm like yeah not a place I'm ever interested in going yeah not a good place as far as I'm concerned anyone remember swan princess I do actually yeah what is it swan princess oh yeah it's so it's a it's a animated movie where a girl is cursed to turn into a swan like at night or something mm-hmm isn't it a pretty good cast of characters hmm isn't it an adaptation of swan lake isn't that like a like a fairy tale called swan lake or something that sounds more familiar actually yeah yeah swan lake is mostly I think it was a play or a ballet I think it was a tchaikovsky ballet I'm not for shizzle though on that so don't hold me to it but they are different it was a movie that it's funny if there's like several scenes in it that are like blatantly ripped off of certain disney movies that came out I mean like a long time ago but it was like it was released and I think 1994 and I think that it was overshadowed by the lion king if I'm not mistaken but to my memory it was solid I liked it as a kid there was a turtle in it and there was a frog and there was some nifty characters in there that were really fun especially as a kid to watch wasn't the frog voiced by John Cleese yeah he was the frog was voiced by John motherfucking Cleese and I think oh wait was it the frog or was it the assistant the big nose assistant to the prince oh Sir Roger no I don't think that John Cleese did that guy okay I gotta check this out double check cause I am operating off of like I haven't seen that movie in 15 years I'll say this I rewatched that movie I think last year Sir Roger is the funniest fucking part of that movie John Cleese is the frog John Bob John Bob that was it that's probably insensitive these days John Bob not oh holy shit um what's funny is that there's an actor in there who is named Joel Miller oh wow plays Bromley I think that's the the fat bumbling dude that's like the comedic relief sidekick of the the male lead in that movie yeah I think I know who you're talking about what was the name of the villain um Sir Rothbart Sir Rothbart it's such a great Germanic kind of you know strong villain name he was evil too he could shape shift into that griffin creature yeah it was let me see the swan princess I have to remember you're a asshole man oh yeah that was the name of the princess what was the princess name um it was Odette yeah the prince's name oh the prince's name I'm sorry Derek yeah I was about to say it was a really really one of those names it was just like yeah oh wasn't he the prince in the mermaid the little mermaid um Eric is the name of the prince Eric not Derek the little mermaid yeah Derek is just a weird Eric the great animal was a pretty neat looking design for a for a monster too I'll uh post that in chat the great animal he was like a bat bear thing yeah that was that was creepy boy he was a creepy boy that was fucking cool that was pretty creepy looking nice the great animal if I play among us got like a sword he got I think he got hit with an arrow right yes yeah he shot with an arrow because I almost confused him with Maleficent as the dragon who got a fucking sword thrown to her my favorite part of the swan princess is the fact that he is defeated with an arrow um the great animal of course um but it's like how they have that occur is Bromley shoots an arrow at Derek Derek catches it in the air and then fires the arrow at the great animal yeah oh I remember that yeah much like Mulan Mulan Mulan stole it from the swan princess no I'm sorry but the swan princess actually makes a little bit more sense to Mulan because at least Derek catches the arrow and he has to fire it out of his own bow hey it makes sense Mulan they have chi the chi explains it that was the coolest shit watching Derek just fuck up that great animal with that arrow Bromley got his moment in the sun it was great and you know what it happened and it happened because of a fellow that was voiced by Joel Miller Joel caused the great animal to die damn do y'all remember um a troll in Central Park I do he was voiced by Don Eloise hmm that was great if anyone else remembered it I had some nifty imagery in there I'm curious to watch some of these yes I think that was a I don't know if that was a Don Bluth one or not oh my god I completed level one I guess oh shit apparently Rothbart was voiced by the guy that played Curly in City Slickers City Slickers but yeah EFAT plays among us we'll get around to it eventually I like the idea that we probably will get around to it by the time no one likes it anymore and we'll be like but we're playing it guys nice Disregard, Hardcore Henry Guy Watch Space Truckers, Charles There's a lot of references on it oh my god he is as people have coined him the Nick Fury of the EFAP universe at this point just keeps popping up obligatory you massives are still going yes Anna's diet Halloween candy bread and french fries confirmed yeah she had she had a lot of interesting takes toward the end of that stream yeah she was an alien from another planet pretty neat it was weird that the aliens came here just to talk about pop culture and stuff you'd think they would want to do something else but I mean I guess they have their own interests I'm not going to take it away from them it's pretty cool oh my goodness I just saw this posted an EFAT podcast talk you recognize any of these fellows in this thumbnail here drinker I hit everything, YMS who's the last one is it Ralph? is this guy supposed to be Ralph? the one on the bottom right? I'm tired of angry reviewers one of the bottom right is way too masculine to be Ralph um in fact it's probably a woman maybe it's could be I don't know I'm tired of angry reviewers I'm curious to check this one out I mean yeah we can give the opening a look see it oh my oh my god hang on I gotta share the screen shots of this comment here um rags go ahead and read this out I guess do you want to give the context again of um where this is on the video is someone's comment is it? I believe that this is on the video of the angry movie reviewers video uh let's see here so the problem isn't that there are too many of them which to be fair is kind of true but that's not the main problem the problem is how they go about it the attitude the they attitude they attitude they lack of research they lack of understanding of pretty much everything about the movie missing the point of scenes of the movie talking out of context taking out of context many things about the movie bringing up things that have nothing to do with subtext itself overreacting and most importantly they egos and how they respond to criticism all right and then the second uh screen cap um mauler the dishonored wolf Lindsay Ellis chafferless productions geeks and gamers and many others fall into that category and they are far worse than nostalgia critic at so many levels what we got put into the same category as Lindsay Ellis uh I was going to say Lindsay Ellis is I am a nostalgia critic I just loop in there I've never heard that take before that they're like I'm against the mauler and Lindsay Ellis I'm pro nostalgia critic okay whatever works here I guess that is a rare creature yeah sweet to see one in the wild thank you discord folk why is she so aggressive with bread what did Anna say about bread again I've forgotten oh she doesn't like any of it right yeah she doesn't like any bread any yeah she's just got a I guess not she like basically she said she doesn't like and rags named a shit ton of bread and she said no to like all of them a horrid I know she eats for one kid she just eats candy as far as I know all she eats is candy candy and french fries you can't really judge her if she's got an alien digestive system maybe that's good for her or something and fruits and veg bad and stuff as far as I know she's got a rockin' bod so I guess the fries and candy are really working out a lot of people are very jealous um James Moore just sent a screencap of a section of that video oh why am I I can't read it it says post an angry review about how you're above angry reviews in the next comment in the next comment is Ben that is not how boobs arms or faces work very curious to understand the context behind that now I'm curious myself she's a bug mauler kicker now hey not all aliens are bugs imposter or should I say traitor because TTT has a special place in my heart I was happy Anna do you like air probably not what about Henry Kevill's butt shaped buns oh I get it here comes butt shaped buns wait according to daemons it's literally just screen recording of him doing artwork while talking about angry reviewers oh really it's not like research or anything it's one of those high FF reviews oh great that makes it more juicy oh my goodness you know whatever they say it's just gonna be worthless it's gonna be like off the cuff unscripted it's not gonna be well researched it's not gonna have proper references on screen best gay angry reviews this sounds like a gem especially for efat bingo oh yeah I mean who knows we may very well covered in future uh James Moore is saying if you look through the comments no one likes this video well that one guy did let me grab it real quick this might be covered I mean I hate angry reviewers too I'm sure I agree totally with this guy let me save this just to be sure 115 likes to 196 drawing dude like did you see what he's drawing what's he drawing let me show you oh my god oh my god okay this is the this is what he's drawing oh what's that oh okay that what's with the missing top two that's where you stick them and that's the cock tooth you get it removed so you could smile and suck a dick at the same time that girl she's gonna have some back problems very interesting imagination I will give him like you could see how like he has enough attention to detail to know that the places where the that skimpy suit hugs against the body it creates an indentation so but yeah she's got back problems because her fucking tits are massive it's actually kind of it's very unappealing in fact but I'm gonna save this really quick just to make sure if it disappears I have a copy of it that's become sort of like it's like just a thing you think about now yeah people like to say the shit that they feel but they don't like it as much one of the people react to it and they're like wait wait wait whoa whoa whoa I didn't agree to other people being able to see my video hang on this guy apparently used to have a series called Ben Rance okay according to this one commenter says you used to do Ben Rance the hell wow this whole video is super subjective and misinformed oh boy this is interesting I'm looking at okay so let me show you this is I went to his uploads look at these ratings this is this is like Matt Jarbo level oh dang that's little witch that's got 83 yay Anna is a twillet confirmed it's possible the dark knight has a 33% from him Joker has a 21% from him interesting that man begins a 40% I mean it doesn't matter like videos of people really don't like he did a Ben Rance video on dark knight six months ago and then I'm tired of angry reviewers came out two months ago that one's just now popping up maybe someone found it and they're spreading it I don't know let me go ahead about let's see let's see this guys not just cartoons all right cartoons that's his hold on hold on the frosted robot I don't believe you there I have to see I have to see this there's no way no way whatsoever what's the thing I don't believe it uh where is it yep it's there copy link address I'm just you know what you guys are just not gonna believe it if I say it so oh why I love Captain Marvel interesting looks Captain Marvel is pretty good I will say it's just got a couple floors like a two hour videos with like how they yeah birds of prey that's that's not new southpaw that like someone is praising that people love that you need to see this one this one what's the problem the monsters we can help him out with that one the problem singular this guy could be an e-fap gold mine we can watch him have terrible opinions and he could draw chicks with big jugs we can't the treasure trove well this is like that dac pope guy the disnoid he's a treasure trove too that we have to dip into Captain Marvel I'm a feminist what the hell I think dude I love that tile Captain Marvel or how I became a feminist like what let me have my quads let's see oh my god he has a dark fade video Ben Salute I assume the rants are for the movies that he hates because he's happy in his thumbnails for the rants and then when Ben Salute he's happy it's called Ben Salute conclusion is right there in the title oh my goodness that pesky egg man sending a bunch of rocks after me it's fucked up wait wait wait wait hold on so he says Captain Marvel or how I became a feminist but this is a more recent video from him from two months ago cheerleader pirates is feminist garbage what is this character I don't know he's really hitching himself to the feminist wagon which is weird because of the art that he was drawing he'd think that would be objectification well calling something feminist garbage hitching himself to feminism that's the confusion being like yay Captain Marvel's good but this other thing is feminist garbage he says Captain Marvel or Captain Marvel or how he became a feminist and then you know cheerleader pirates is feminist garbage unless it's like I guess a satire maybe it's a sarcastic title maybe it's made to make fun of people that would say that I don't know well I'm glad he's found himself oh god the floor Anna also hates the hospital and won't go like at all because I understand hate in the hospital I think a lot of people don't like hospitals in general because they usually associate them with bad memories and stuff and then of course it's filled with people who are ill yeah it's full of suffering and dying and it smells weird however won't go I'd be curious if that means like at all I would hope that you would go like if you need surgery or if you broke your leg or something surely like I'm like a lot of people they don't want to go if they don't have to because it's expensive and it's time consuming and it's often not necessary and going to the hospital is super depressing because it's full of dead and dying people so you're like maybe we don't have to go there if we don't need to maybe I'll get over it in a few days or let's just go to the like one of these neighborhood clinics you know one of these little places and I can go in and talk to a doctor who doesn't work in the hospital and we can sort out this spider bite or whatever it is that I've got you know something like that so my dad did when he got a spider bite he didn't go to the hospital he went to a like a clinic got him patched up he had a cast over that thing it was oh spider bites can be fucking nasty and horrible uh oh took him ages to get over it because he was just like yeah I gotta keep him tuned and it's just it's pain in the ass don't get bit by spiders yeah no uh preferably don't really get bit by anything unless it's like something that does good by biting you spiders that did pretty well for spider man yeah it's trash yeah if a spider wants to bite me that's like radioactive and gives me super amazing awesome powers fucking go for it if you're out there spider just knock on the door and introduce yourself say I'm an amazing incredible super spider and I'm gonna change your life yes don't feel you know shy or anything it's alright he has a video called my thoughts on disney live action remakes and I'm listening to some of it now he sounds rather lukewarm about it well based on his thumbnails and his ratings I have no idea what this guy wants I was about to say he doesn't love them or hate them he's like middling why? I don't well I guess so um Star Wars girl as top of my home class what the heck is wrong with you I suppose we'll never know like I said the theory is alien um might be yeah alien seems to be the the prevailing theorem I don't know were you exiled from my home planet as well if so were your people skin proud girl no need to hide behind that pink flashy disguise I agree with that who sent that Barney meme repository ahh how do I move to the next oh well I'm not very good at sonic heroes I'm gonna put it out there you're better at games like Lord of the Rings the third age oh god you know what I'm like the best Lord of the Rings third age I don't know that there's a player who was better than me at that game ooh also to be fair the roads in Wales are more narrow and dangerous than in the US I completely understand more than not learning to drive is it because of your fear of roads I don't I'm not against learning to drive I suppose there's no reason why I shouldn't do that it's just a neutral at this point but actually buying and using a car is probably not something I'm gonna be doing but learning to drive I can you know there's no reason not to do it but I'll probably survive just fine without rags would you teach me to drive yeah I would it will not take long the actual driving of the car is pretty simple what would you first want to do if I visited teach me to drive or teach me how to shoot guns and shit oh guns we're doing guns first you can learn how to drive in your homeland I thought you were gonna say you could learn how to drive shoot your guns it's fine yeah but it's yeah I've got yeah it'll it'll be great it'll be definitely guns first oh hell you're still going gonna restart the stream have a good night slash day all you lovely massives I remember uh man now I feel good that I do not have a driver's license thank you more heart also hail rags please rant about Sheena again Sheena do you mean Zeena warrior princess maybe they mean China who they who they spell how they spell that I will it's like I don't know if it's to avoid maybe they thought they couldn't put China in the search thing China can you not actually put China in it I'm fucking crazy well if you can't yeah I was gonna say I don't know maybe um yeah I am I fuck China you wish to fuck China very interesting more it doesn't drive because Wales is too dangerous to drive in or just in general Wales is just a dangerous place dangerous it's a dangerous place we're in we're in Welsh country now someone wants a a Mahler rags vlog that's kind of what these are in a way we just let it all out wait what they say they want us to do a vlog because I was gonna say yeah if they like what's going on here I just assume it qualifies it pretty much would be just that the ends of streams or where we are a much more free flow of dare I say it but the beginnings of our e-faps are far more directed and on rails than the Hentons Buddha thunk it Buddha how do I get to the ok fly me to the moon I'm almost able to control my sanic properly you'd be proud of me this is the scenic oh I guess I gotta destroy this dude yeah oh wait I read that the only expectation TLJ subverted was the expectation of being better than TFA um I did a hell of a lot more than that right but if I can help is it ER that isn't even sure that um TFA is not the worst like a lot of people just sort of seem to agree that it is the best of the three and sometimes you just you think about it for a little bit and you're like hmm I don't know I think viscerally it feels like it must be the best you're just like I'm sure of it because it didn't hurt me as much emotionally like okay oh hello man I'm getting so good at this game I bet you guys are oh I just killed myself rags me and my family used to drive from Indiana to Florida you used to what they used to drive from Indiana to Florida alright yeah neat long way whoa whoa whoa no why I killed myself three times in a row Jesus how many lives do I have two terrifying hmm it's easy for Mola to walk every way because of his long legs true oh fucking hell Sonic you have no sense of self-preservation I'm gonna play as Knuckles now do you guys know Knuckles is really good at beating people up while Sonic is shit really Sonic sounds like a cuck I don't make the rules guys nobody wants to play as Sonic oh you just have to tap B there you go I was holding it down that was my big mistake oh no don't kill myself how do you feel about bikes the British lads freak me out when I told them mine does not have a beer shift sorry beer shift I'm not sure what a beer shift is I think he meant gear shift oh I thought it was like a special kind thing like it's called a beer shift maybe maybe you have a bear shift in your car if so I'd be curious what that was but yeah oh so if they meant yeah if they meant gear shift yeah most if not all bikes have come across in the homelands all have a gear shift on them I would be surprised to see one without yeah this is a good fap Aragorn this is a good fap you would know Aragorn actually guested on e-fap once didn't he ranks who did? Aragorn hmm we haven't uploaded it yet it's a special oh yeah he knows the stuff that dude he's got a lot going for him also he has some opinions let's just put it that way didn't want to get political but Aragorn can't resist it he has to bring the fact up that he's a king several times but I mean it's worth it to hear him talk about how much he's dreading the new Lord of the Rings TV show he is not happy about that apparently they're like they're having casting calls about actors that are comfortable with nudity which is hmm not the best sign for a Lord of the Rings show what's the rating going to be then like no idea what am I expecting here I thought they were going to gun for the same sort of tone as the movies but I guess not wouldn't you want to appeal to the demographic that this is from theonering.net Twitter comfortable with nudity comfortable with nudity is normally that should just be Lord of the Rings a nudity it doesn't fit no I mean generally I'm totally alright with nudity in fact I encourage it but don't do this with Lord of the Rings isn't there a scene in the first Hobbit movie with fucking Arwen pussy I'll watch a little Hobbit Balls just bouncing around here Rags did you know that there's someone that's working on this Amazon Lord of the Rings series that was a co-writer on Toy Story 4 no I didn't know that yeah I got to that woohoo right there in the stream so great he was like you know oh maybe the Lord of the Rings series will be good and I revealed now there's a Toy Story 4 writer working on it it's gonna be shit have some faith southpaw not everything has to be terrible everything that's made by someone that helped write Toy Story 4 is going to be terrible Toy Story 4 is about stuff that you just don't get you see the first three films were for kids Toy Story 4 was for adults someone probably said that someone's out there who said that fuck how do I do the thing I thought it was time to let the children let the children play with your toys it's time to let the children play the creepiest fucking thing we've ever heard on eFab I think it's the creepiest thing I've ever seen but the whole point of Toy Story 4 is for we to like move away from Bonnie so it's not really time for Bonnie to play with Woody confusing what I'm understanding here is that you don't get it that's what I'm hearing yeah I just didn't get it I didn't like I just didn't like the way that the story went that's all I'm just mad that Woody leaves Buzz that's the only thing you know it's not that it's poorly written it's not that it's unearned I just simply didn't like the direction that it went yeah it's people like you who prevent art from you know really expressing itself also if it's time to let the children play as the creepiest thing you've ever heard on eFab then no we're not covering that guy no there's a reason why that is the creepiest thing we've covered on eFab because we already covered fucking movie reviews but sometimes movie reviews just enter into a different realm unfortunately also yeah we finished Super Smash from last time now as well so we've only got today's ones to do now don't think we're gonna be able to get through all of them is this new Lord of the Rings show slowly but surely trying to make the porn parody Lord of the G strings into a reality well I hope so do you think that's more of a I don't know virtuous endeavor like if this is supposed to be like here's the thing I love me some nudity love me some poontang but man Lord of the Rings is too good for that it goes beyond it few things do there's a time and a place for nudity and Lord of the Rings definitely is not one of them maybe they'll make it work guys maybe they'll make it work I mean it's possible I just don't think they'll be able to do it because I think it'll become a focus instead of a you know one of the like a detail like what are we I'm trying to think where it could be I mean obviously we have Hobbit Swinger parties like we know that they had of course I mean you'd never think that a whole hill could start rocking but you know you get enough Hobbits packed in there we have Aragorn and Arwen we have Faramir and Aowyn we have who else we have maybe Aimer hooks up with somebody Grima Grima and just him just just Frodo and Sam obviously of course Frodo and Sam I'm trying to think of who else maybe when they go to the elf places it's just non-stop orgies the elves are just fucking and sucking in the trees everywhere you go even while they're foraging they're they're engorging and they call it like there's all these they're just fucking it's a huge group of them and Elrond is like welcome to the orge and that's what they could to make it sound more mythical the orger just the orge combining orchard and orgy to make orchard why do you think this are fucking many hobbits because they don't stop fucking they fuck like well like hobbits they fuck in the kitchen they fuck during second breakfast they fucking the pumpkin patch no oh yeah so I don't know what's going on they clump a rolling ball of just elves fucking and rolling around do we get to see big troll cocks just swinging back and forth dude I am on board the trolls don't get much representation in these sorts of things what about ant sex why not no I think when ants plant their seed it's more literal but like ants are kind of different than trees though right well they what is this some weird setup for a getting wood reference or no you being a race realist well I'm just glad that when it comes to the possibilities for sex and murderings we're really branching out with the ant really going out on a limb with this suggestion of yours I think we should leave that one where it is though we shouldn't my two teammates keep fucking killing themselves stop it well maybe you should get to the root of the issue that's um that's like weird play because roots are with like 2 trees and that was also yeah so to start the chats for this episode we begin with gay what do you guys think well that's fair enough yeah alright very very sound criticism rags uh hi thoughts on white women it's alright you know a bit needy some of them are whiny as fuck they're alright I mean white women are the ones that tend to fuck dogs the most right oh yeah there's a couple of people to my knowledge yeah we haven't got any statistics on it but we'll go from memory it's the meme that white women are dog fuckers it's a weird meme who fucks the most goats are we allowed to say I have to I think that we're all thinking the same thing yep aliens aliens yeah just want to come to earth so they could fuck the goats fuck the cows the aliens the cows the cow pussy yeah slamming that slam it they'd like to see the udders sway back and forth imagine being a person on youtube who has to watch three fab episodes to make sure they're monetizable near the end where they've probably calmed down oh my god well I would actually say a cheat code for someone like try to figure out skip the coverage section go straight to the super chat that's where you'll find the actual rating probably whether or not it's monetizable because if I can goats that could be considered something that they don't want covered on youtube I guess those prudes let aliens have their wishes I don't even know what level up means you guys did decide to come to my birthday sorry what not even law and order knows what level up means ow my coins I mean rings you're golden hoops what can you why do you suck oh wait isn't this where the movie cube took place no that was a cube this is like a whole whole way of things no because like they find the edge of it like there's like a wall hmm like a big chasm where it's next to I haven't actually seen that movie beginning to end okay all right Sonic leave it to you Sonic is so full of himself it's really annoying now you guys did decide to come to my birthday party thanks for not ruining grandma rags oh oh you're welcome long time of year do you Jim Sterling impression for April fools don't want to kill people you know he's um he's an interesting one that Jim have you guys seen the photo of the new bat woman ah we actually covered it that's the beginning of the stream that person probably gone when they wanted them good afternoon to all you gorgeous massives high rags hello the toy store you worked at as a guest for EFAP 2020 EFAP oh sorry EFAP 200 um I don't know how I get a toy store to be a guest but I'm willing to give it a shot I suppose we've had toy stores guest before right I'm thinking so yeah should be fine would Jared count is he a toy store I mean he's he glued a couple to his wall I don't know if that qualifies hahaha L4D2 last stand EFAP gaming stream when is that out yet I haven't actually kept track of when it's releasing but I don't know we could do some with that shag marry kill Mike rich and Jay from red letter media so Mary rich shag Jay kill Mike I guess I think we've done this before I think I was kind of I was definitely marrying rich but I had a I was thinking that Mike would make really good daddy material that's the thing but Jay is a handsome boy so hmm that's tough I think I hmm I don't know either way I could see myself going oh there you go I guess I'll now Mary I'll fuck Jay and kill Mike I guess I don't know it's tough though I know you don't want to kill Mike I understand I don't want to kill any of them oh god fireballs I want Mike to wake up and fuck me happy last of us day fellow last of us two fans don't you love killing father figures and allowing their killers to live me too it seems to me a lot of people have still got some you know frustrations in relation to last of us who to thank it I would really like to know who they are it would be nice to meet them and tell them why they're wrong head cannon head cannon is a powerful weapon a jet I wouldn't tell you about it or just such an evil thing can let you enjoy anything man I'm having to think of artistic abilities that some consider to be unnatural pretty much hi long man I got the ant game you voiced in this good stuff can't stick around since the cinema is showing empire back also high rags oh hello also that's interesting glad you're enjoying it and yeah have fun with empire I got to see empire strikes back in the theater this past summer was a very nice experience can you wish my mother dreamer or drama another happy birthday how would you pronounce dream and then a dreamer it's a dreamer or dreamer or happy birthday dreamer these pizza rolls are totally radical missus d I hope you have a wonderful birthday yeah have a good one wait did it die oh there it is man I lose my rings a lot that's what you're supposed to do on sonic right I'm glad you guys lose your rings just to lose them because they're really bad just rings when you get hit you lose them all and then if you get hit when you have zero you die man rings are interesting you can get them all back rags god it sounds so dramatic you gotta be really shit at this game to lose them you can get like all of them knocked out and then moved away from them so you can't pick them back up yeah so if you get 100 of them you get supersonic right I don't know I don't know the sonic law I'll be honest sounds like super mario but supersonic oh that's not the way in sonic games you always have either full health or no health that's like saying you have one hit point pretty much why is that even a thing I can do because it's good one rags rags you also have some fuel alright so if I'm sonic surely I can oh it only goes that high 12 hours are we ready come on Mola this time like you mean it I don't think we'll be able to do 12 today it'll be another one or two I can go for before I have to leave I'm afraid so we'll do what we can Mola can you say boobs like honest trailer guy for a meme, peach, love and rhino milk on my e-wood so the honest trailer guy talks like this sort of like boobs they're still going aren't they they've been making those for like 10 years in a world remember when that used to be the trailer voice they don't do that no more I miss those days though overly dramatic this story this agent has been traveling across the globe and it's like it's so over dramatic for the movie you're just like okay I'm so into this can you just hit the thing you're right next to it nukals hashtag cancel nukals why isn't it going down well there we go do I win there we are it's a sonic game the only winning move is not to play true hey hello all mola when did you first start playing super mario sunshine that's a childhood gem of mine thank you for the content that was one of three original games I got on gamecube I always misremember this it was either super mario party 4 plus super smash bros mealy plus super mario sunshine or james bond nightfire it was three of those four but mario sunshine was definitely in the three and I fucking loved it the originals that I had for gamecube were animal crossing double dash and I'm trying to think of like the early early ones we had um it might have been we had a bunch like custom robo and we had lord of the rings two towers third age we had battalion wars there was what would turn out to be one of my favorite games of all time eternal wings in the lost ocean we had a resident before of course at least I did game stop totally sold me that when I was definitely not mario level that's okay what else do we have we had pikmin 2 oh final fantasy crystal chronicles yeah those were some of them that I recall oh metro prime 2 echoes that was fun I like that game great for like atmosphere yeah and just length of game even when it was a journey, it was an adventure you went on yeah nice and long cause the backtrack the games were long regardless I'll kill you double dash is the best mario kart prime at least favorite that I've played it's only my favorite because I'm so used to it yeah I don't really care for it all that much it's okay like I don't have any arguments from mechanics or anything like why it's superior to other ones I just like it my favorite one was actually the one for DS part of that was because I could play it anywhere I had my DS but it had an insane amount of maps in it a lot of different carts and stuff and it ran well boat I'm trying to think about what was I didn't have any Zelda oh yeah my brother bought Twilight Princess and I didn't care for that one maybe it was the 17 hour tutorial but I just I didn't really care for that game all that much um oh um notice they have just trying to think back my brother had Star Wars bounty hunter played that a bit yeah yeah what else we didn't have any of the Mario Party games so I never really played any of those what else did you have I'm just trying to think about oh yeah of course Super Smash Brothers you know those um huh yeah those are the ones I remember at least I'm sure there's some that I just I'm sort of blanking on there are some like I didn't like my brother had an Incredibles Incredibles video game one but I never played that one I didn't care about it I think I played that one oh Rogue Squadron 2 I had that one that was disappointing because there was really shitty like out of like you control the person and it was really shitty and there was almost like platforming sections with it and they were shit so yeah that was Rogue Squadron 2 rough um I don't know if I played that I don't know do you play Resident Evil's on them um just Resident Evil Evil 4 and it got me hooked on to that game it was amazing in fact I might actually load it up and play it here oh three a few people said that's Rogue Squadron 3 is what you're talking about apparently alright if then it might be three that I'm talking about um three yeah three was yeah Rebel Strike was the one I played and it was just fucking uh it was some of it was good but holy fuck the out of I don't know why they had to add a a whole part of that game was running around on foot like shooting and it was like auto aiming and stuff oh Star Fox Assault I played a lot of Star Fox Assault um what a great game I love Star Fox Assault that was actually a pretty decent shooter game for the for the Nintendo um oddly enough I was reminded of that because it originally started out as a flight game Star Fox and then they added in a run around shoot things aspect but it actually worked on the game wow and so yeah good good stuff you Dumbos need to play Doki Doki Literature Club oh no that's going to be the new thing um Fire Emblem Path of Radiance I like that one that was good um Tales of Symphonia was okay what I played of it um Soul Calibur 2 I like that one but there was also Beautiful Joe 2 was a game I played and really enjoyed I liked Beautiful Joe 2 um yeah it was uh good stuff that fucking Baton Kados and Resident Evil 4 top of that list man good shit super shit yeah I remember getting super into Resident Evil 4 I love it I ended up buying it again on the Wii again on the Xbox and again on the PC after that uh found you now Mola Chan oh god I'm not sure what they were referring to I'm spooked so when I asked did you ever play Shrek Super Slam no I did not no oh you know I'm going to try and get my hands on a copy of the I think it was Shrek 2 on the GameCube we can't I need to be able to play Shrek on Super Chat Shrek oh Shrek oh Will didn't deserve him oh yes Shrek this one just says ooo rags there are your people you know what they mean by that right they are my people they are my people fuck I'm just having nostalgia dreams about going through and playing Baton Kados what a fucking great game with a it had a cool fighting battle system where you would use you would both defend and attack on depending on what the turns were and your character would have like a deck of cards that you they use and they would be offense defense or both and the cards would have numbers that were associated with them that you could chain that would give you bonus damage and you also had elements that the cards had that you could chain however negative that some elements would cancel each other out like water and fire would cancel their damage out light and darkness would cancel each other and since the cards had numbers you could do like consecutive numbers like you could do like two three four five in an attack or you could double up on numbers and keep them the same for for extra damage and you could do this for both attacking and defending and some critters had their own weaknesses like it was really cool and sometimes cards would change over time so eventually like a bamboo seed would become a bamboo shoot and you could combine cards together like food cards you could combine them to make even better food cards almost like you're crafting food but there was a lot of really excellent stuff in the fighting in the battle system in bait and kados that I that I've never ever seen before and I really kind of wish more games did but it was really cool and it was based on real time too how cards could change over time so a card could have been like a coin would eventually become like a rusty coin or anti-coin based on the hours that pass in like the play file and stuff like that really cool if anyone has like a game boy or sorry a game cube or an emulator and you want a nice long game that has really cool world building gorgeous art and as an interesting story I would highly recommend bait and kato's eternal links in the lost ocean great soundtrack too I love the soundtrack for it some of the battle scenes and music were dope sauce and it's fairly long it took me about 60 or so hours to beat a lot of stuff to collect and find and a lot of side quests and missions to do I just have a my gushing moment I just remember how much I loved playing that game how cool it was what was it called again bait and kato's bait and kato's eternal wings and the lost ocean what a name what a name yeah it's it's one of the few jrpgs that I actually like there you have it fucking love it uh rags because you show some interest in Germany at least enough to make fun of us would you like to read a nice book about the history before the Austrian took over oh I'm not I got I don't have the time to read that's the thing I'm doing a lot of stuff and instead of devoting time to reading a book I'd rather be multitasking with something else honestly that's kind of where I am at the moment yeah they offered to send it to you but I assume that's you saying uh probably not I I do appreciate it I really do unfortunately I never like I feel like if you sent it to me it would just gather dust on my shelf and I wouldn't actually get any use out of it um unless of course it's my encampment which they send it right on over it's good there's always a place on my bookshelf you uh read that daily right every day yeah every day when you wake up you don't want to lose track of you know you gotta keep focus you gotta keep your encouragement and um you gotta stay on track gotta stay motivated um Marcus Spixru tweeted at me a couple hours ago and I just found it um he did the numbers on uh like all the money that Disney has made off of Star Wars compared to what they have spent pretty interesting stuff you want to read this out rags anime garbage what the fuck is this what oh yeah you haven't seen that yet no I've never no I've never seen this before so you were saying um so below that is some information that uh Marcus Spixru sent me about the how much money Disney has profited from Star Wars and you might you might want to read this out alright oh I love me some numbers alright so okay considering that the marketing budget is usually about 50 percent of the budget of the film we have to add that 275 million was the budget for solo so we can add about 130 million dollars more for marketing 200 million was the budget for Rogue One add 100 million for marketing 245 million was the budget for the Force Awakens add 120 million for marketing 317 million was the budget for the last Jedi so we can add 150 million for marketing 275 million was for Tross so add 130 million for marketing plus there's the 4 billion dollars for the cost of buying Lucasfilm solo grossed 393 million Rogue One grossed 1 billion 46 million TFA 1 billion 56 million what am I reading out here you said 46 I thought well either way Rogue One grossed 1 billion 56 million and TFA grossed 2 billion and 68 million TLJ grossed 1 billion 333 million and the Rise of Skywalker grossed 1 billion 74 million we can't count how much money they made we spent 5 billion 942 million and earned 5 billion 924 million which means they didn't break even of course not con- toy sales and whatnot which is very interesting no one did they worried yeah I'd be fucking worried too because remember to remember this 1 billion is the cost of buying Lucasfilm so 1 billion is 1000 millions so yeah just to put them back into context for people but yeah toy sales are apparently a huge part of it and they're just not making toy sales that's for sure also so many chats said rags for sure has seen stand alone complex but even that too has tropes he criticizes others having yeah and as I said before it's the trophy anime aspects of stand alone complex it's one of the least favorite parts of it oh it's also worth knowing that they don't get 100% of the box office some of that has to get to the theater correct I think they only get like 65% of the box office mm-hmm and then they also built the theme park yeah they bought they brought they did galaxies edge which people aren't going to especially now yeah that's right oh man it's hard to think that you couldn't make a profit with Star Wars but some companies can find a way and again I don't even know if this is accurate it's interesting speculation is what I'll call it but I could believe either way I feel um yeah they've made a crap ton of money and they're probably going to hold on to that IP forever so hopefully they just end up licensing it out to studios that will do it well but who knows who the fuck knows start watching Buffy and even though season one is bad I can't help but love it well that's probably because season one isn't bad in the sense of inferior in you it's usually it's just bad and it's really campy and dumb and you end up smirking a lot of the stupid shit in it as opposed to be watching something like well consuming the last of us too and being like why is existence what is the point which feels malicious yeah Buffy season one is close to the kind of experience of watching Batwoman at times we're just like wait what um happy bad so you're saying it's better than devs what devs devs is a bullshit tv show okay like really it's terrible like we hate devs fuck devs I'm asking for a friend the internet where could I find the internet where on the internet Netflix probably I don't know I mean you say it's a bullshit tv show and I feel like you can easily you can easily figure out that it's Netflix from there I see what you're saying I mean have you seen the witcher or 13 reasons why I feel people like devs worse than Milan or is it bad yeah I would say that it is because Milan you could laugh and like it's almost like mesmerizingly bad in that you watch it and you laugh at how silly it is and how terrible it is but devs is trying to be a lot more serious and so it doesn't come across as it's not enjoyable bad in the same way that Milan is the issue of it's like I'm so small and you're like are you though I don't know I don't think so that's that Alex Garland tv show I just looked it up he directed an animation like that yeah but he also did ex machina which is the sad part it's good it's fucking great but devs is terrible like he was not ready I know he felt like he was but he was not ready to explore these concepts you'd think a season of tv would mean like he's got all the time in the world because ex machina did a pretty good job despite only being what like a movie short too I don't remember being that long why is this happening to me is I supposed to press a button uh oh I only got one laugh are you going to watch the Shrek holiday specials or all of Shrek is love Shrek is life I'm being serious and you answer also high rags and more Shrek is love Shrek is life watch all of Shrek is love Shrek is life I'm not just like is that like a meme video that's really long or something Shrek is love Shrek is life is not an actual property like they didn't actually make a film called that right let me google so Shrek is love Shrek is it's a series of green tech stories that often contain sexually explicit between the fictional okra character Shrek and his children oh my goodness children who pray to him oh my goodness sure as it goes I haven't heard of this let's see let me let me read this green text here alright I was only nine years old I love Shrek so much I had all the merchandise and movies I pray to Shrek every night before bed thanking him for the life I've been given Shrek is love I say Shrek is life my daddy hears me and calls me a faggot I knew he was just jealous of my devotion for Shrek I called him a cunt he slaps me and sends me to go to sleep I'm crying now and my face hurts I lay in bed and it's really cold I'm moving towards me I feel something touch me it's Shrek I am so happy he whispers he whispers in my ear this is my swamp he grabs me with his powerful ogre hands and puts me on my hands and knees I'm ready I spread my ass cheeks for Shrek you've heard this one before this is the classic one no I've never heard it it shrinks my butt hole it hurts so much but I do it for Shrek I can feel my butt tearing as my eyes start to water I push against his force I want to please Shrek he roars a mighty roar as he fills my butt with his love my dad walks in Shrek looks him straight in the eye and says it's all ogre now Shrek leaves through my window Shrek is love Shrek is life I feel like that's the origin point for Shrek memes becoming huge so with that green text oh my goodness this is from 2013 2013 oh my goodness Shrek content there's no reason why we wouldn't cover some of that in the future I think so when did you first start playing Super Mario Sunshine that's a childhood gem of mine they've repeated this one I'm sorry we haven't gotten to it in time before you have posted it again but yeah we went through that one thoughts on 80's hair metal band motley crew I've heard a few songs I think they're neat I don't really have much else to say unfortunately why I'm assuming you guys aren't familiar don't care or oh no I already know the songs you haven't heard of them what? I don't think so at least why? I don't listen to music what? we'll listen to the classic songs can't start my heart it's probably their most well known song I think we've also home sweet home maybe I don't listen to music yeah those are both good songs these are the two that I know of off the top of my head I'm tired wait the ones you know off the top of your head out of what pool out of what pool oh man I don't know I've been up since all the musical songs of motley crew songs I guess on this day 37 years ago the world was saved from nuclear hellfire by the actions of Russian missile silo commander Stanislav Petrov I've heard that story that's very interesting I think like he was given an order that was like false about like to order a nuclear strike and you were just to follow through with the order really cool stuff oh my fine game be mean what's the range on that thing why isn't Buffy and Angel on Blu-ray yet they're probably gonna release the mass the remaster on Blu-ray for Buffy and Angel's just not being redone so they're not popular enough I suppose to be given such treatment this is a gay thing to say but please consider being nice to chase he's obviously quite insecure and looks up to you too especially you rags we are nice to chase we are as nice to chase as we are to everyone great he's a he's a fun man yeah follow the ring Sanic fucking useless pig with spikes yeah I went there cheers to all of you lads high rags woof hello my first super chat but I wanted to say thanks for the hours of content also what are your opinions on Dishonored I didn't play the first Dishonored that much just a game that I started and I got distracted by other things but I played it beat Dishonored 2 and I have most of the second playthrough finish I really liked it I really liked Dishonored 2 it was fun to play the stealth was really nifty I thought the world looked super interesting I was a big fan of Dishonored 2 I really enjoyed playing it I would recommend it to really anybody honestly I played the first one for half an hour I got distracted by something and I didn't put anything else for any of them I'm sorry I failed we should play the second one very well I shall do this for you isn't that like Jay's favorite game of all time I don't know he likes Dishonored yeah cheers to all oh wait remember to invite Nidraotic for Battlefield 8 one of the funniest scenes is Travolta seeing while you were still learning how to spell your name I was being trained to conquer galaxies yeah I remember that we will check that out one day and Nidraotic shall hopefully join us knock the thing down there you go did you see the Pippo animation I can't believe you would subject that beautiful little child to the horror of that one Telosvus 2 scene hey man he protected me okay Pippo had to Pippo I think is used for protection with lots of people online so he's a good little guy he gets scared easily but he's also willing to stand up for anybody he believes is right and that's why we love Pippo and he's better than Pepe he took the qualities of his father and he really ran with it got someone actually recreated the Shrek green text in animation huh yes well here it is I feel like I might have seen that before and I've watched it from memory some people just they just got that's what they want to spend their time on and that's that is okay here we go um why is Mola so far left I'm so confused are we referring politics or are we talking about where I'm sitting because I am on the left but I'm not as far left as Evan well no bullshit so that you're a leftist I think so it's hard to keep track of who says what these days I said you and Rags were both very far left and Sitch was like Rags leftist oh yeah here is like yeah Rags unknown leftist like the the tone and the voice of Sitch was like Rags cause he was like Mola is definitely left he's like Rags the co-host Rags the co-host this is why we're perpetually left and right all the same time hello oh hail Rags from your personal demon Jabble subbleties the combination of memes oh no not Jabble not Jabble add afro equals little clown bat oh yeah good one alright I gotta activate some kind of switch oh fuck this game bully me you know Eggman is not very good at killing Sonic fucks it up all the time at least with Bowser his main concern doesn't seem to be killing Mario it's more just like oh I guess I'll do that cause you know he's busy with other stuff how do I have all these platforms there for you to jump on yeah you'd think like if you were gonna try and kill me you wouldn't do that but yeah you wouldn't give him all these ledges and platforms to crawl out of the chamber you know um hey Rags boulders3 is coming out are you excited for some larian goodie love your div 2 video also hi long man and guests thank you um yeah I'm excited larian studios they made divinity original sim and original sim 2 both incredibly good games that all of you should play if you have any interest in fantasy or strategy rpg games that sort of thing they're fantastic very good um very replayable as well so they're making it all there's gate game I don't know anything about boulders gate myself um but just because of the company who makes it I am very excited to give it a give it a whirl and try it out when it's when she's this is my favorite podcast I turn 26 tomorrow and I'm glad I can catch this live also hi rags happy birthday that means you Sonic doing with his hand oh you don't want to know they try not to draw attention to it is that like a sex thing that yes hedgehogs do well is that like is that bad if it's good or bad oh no I bumped into the girl who's obsessed with Sonic wants to meet him my darling Sonic Amy what are you doing here Sonic this time there's no way out of marrying me I don't want to marry a rags help yeah I feel like you should yeah I feel like he's being a bit crazy first of all I have no idea who would marry Sonic when Knuckles is standing right there it's kind of oh and her name's rose too it's perfect what what is happening did I lose no I'm just getting stun locked help this is really fun oh wait her name's her name's not rose just team rose okay fuck me I am wow that was very unfun to play you'd be right to assume that I would just is this the game do you have to use like these power ups I'm just shooting balls at him oh god the sound of tails getting hurt is funny she's gonna throw Sonic at her at his stalker they're doing the exact same thing back to me it's just whichever hits first apparently I don't know how we look Sonic's dead okay oh I'm dead too nope so Knuckles is alive you highlight a good point right if I can't have you oh god the fat one disappeared no he's not he's alive how do I kill you oh that noise oh so anime die jeez is this game turn based she keeps making the same sound effect she went ahhh ahhh so like stop please someone in chat asked thoughts on Matthew Matosis his Last of Us 2 review a lot of us hit and miss kind of one of the one of the one of his weaker videos honestly yeah I agree with a lot of what he said but I think he was really easy on the game compared to how he is with a lot of modern mainstream stuff I don't think that if the game was we won what the fuck yeah clearly did better I don't know if if the game was a Last of Us sequel that he would have praised it as much like it was the same game same game with a different title without the prestige of the Last of Us name branding I don't think that he would have been so easy on it spent a lot of time talking about like the storytisms and emotions and themes and not yeah it's just you let that override I feel a whole bunch of stuff about the game's flaws um dash through the giant theme park how about a good ticket and enjoy myself oh my god casino land oh no is this we're going to learn about gambling but he's so excited uh at least we're showing it gets better uh it certainly does even if you came away hating Buffy as a whole you'd still agree season one is way worse than the rest it has the power to run through rings for some reason is he like ringborn and it just makes it so he connects with ring pull the thing I am pressing the B button don't lie to me if that movie's gladiator mask of sorrow viva vendetta and scream you know if some of these movies if they're too good we end up just sitting there enjoying it you don't want that well you guys managed to a feel or the rings movies we memed on them true I don't know how memeable everything is yeah whoa gambling I have no idea if I'm winning why would the camera not be facing the opposite direction so you could I don't know is this what I want do I want to go down there or do I is that death we have to start all over what oh I control the flippers okay oh my god this is cancer what is happening oh my god this is oh man if someone is prone to seizures then oh my god this is giving me a huge headache I can't imagine what's like actually having to engage with it play it you know oh do I have to get up there is that the where I have to be is I thought I had to break through the fucking this stuff but no oh god this is so am I dead did I win I don't know moving on everyone who says boo supports Halloween I'm okay with this you can support Halloween and still choose Christmas you know it's like supporting two teams because you both think they need or think they both need check out the BBC's and then there were none miniseries from 2015 not as good as the book but Charles Dance is impeccably cast I like the idea that everyone just wants to recommend us Charles Dance content now just like watch more of it do it oh is this good did I got a one-up do you guys know it's funny I read this so I don't know if it's 100% true but I'm pretty sure it is because it sounds true Egoraptor calls one-ups one-mans or at least he used to and it's just like a thing you just call them one-mans in classic games it would always be like a picture of a dude on it like Mario whatever I'm guessing that's where it came from we tried to avoid doing it eventually because it might be misogynist wow and I think there's a Game Grumps episode where he questions that it's just like fucking hell maybe if I play as Tails I can oh okay Egoraptor's definitely not quite the same as he was delete a whole bunch of Game Grumps episodes that were too edgy as well alright we're probably going to be here for a while while I just throw myself at this fucking thing over and over again hoping to figure it out something you don't go insane from the shapes and colors and flashing lights clearly this is good for those this one's called Sonic Heroes yes how do I get to the thing at the top he just said let's go up there that's clearly where I want to do you fuck how do I get up there can Sonic do stuff oh I'm dead now hey Knuckles is still in this though the boys EFAP when I don't think we're going to be doing anything to do with the boys but we will watch season 2 we haven't seen it yet and you know we can chat about it users have this at 7.9 out of 10 yeah that's a that's a lie you think it's a bunch of Sonic fans don't vote shit now you gotta play Shadow the Hedgehog next he's got a gun I think I have that on Dolphin I think I downloaded it for the memes fucking he's so cool he's much cooler than Sonic he's got a gun and a motorcycle oh when I went to images it's got a bunch of fucking like like deviant art of course it does what where am I oh is this yeah this is definitely not the right way still don't quite understand how I get to the top of this thing the flip is unpowerful enough there I said it what are your thoughts on Dread 2012 I saw it once but it was neat loved it I think everybody was annoyed that it didn't get a sequel I used to be and then I yeah living in a world where sequels became a really bad thing most of the time I'm like you know what I'm fine with Dread just being a one-off let's just pretend that we did get one in an alternate universe and it was really bad do the shape of water for e-fat movies have you guys seen that I have not no but the shape of water conforms to fit its container are you saying that there's no point in seeing the film cause we already know the end yeah I know I mean I can describe the rest of us is filler exactly you just get to the end for the final punch get me to the oh oh oh is no do the do it oh my god I'm out thank fuck guarantee you there's more than one of these things here's a message for all the Dumbos watch Gravity Falls, Hasbin Hotel Hell of a Boss, Finish Hollow Knight especially the Grim Troop and High Rags hello perhaps perhaps all of those things werewolves are greater than vampires I find vampires more interesting but werewolves are pretty badass you know what's the badest of ass now werewolves are better I mean do you mean like in a fight yeah it just depends on the rules werewolves will fuck a vampire up not dependent on the rules always no vampires some of them are fucking magical man some hells in shit nope not enough I mean it's pretty cool though because I get both in Halloween no werewolves for Christmas haven't you ever heard of the Christmas werewolves no I haven't yeah it's really yeah it's really something else sounds pretty neat werewolves werewolves are technically still living around vampires are undead right yes yes plus no one's excited about having what carry on boys no share with the class no one ever gets no one ever says man I wish I could get fucked by 14 vampires who the fuck says they want to get fucked by 14 werewolves oh I'm glad you asked oh god that's like getting fucked by 14 werewolves werewolves also are you wrong I don't need therapy I just need to get fucked in public vampires are like completely associated with being super sexy they're not though it's foe sexy wrong I'm talking about your niche weird website shit I'm talking about mainstream fucking werewolf sex but that's why you choose werewolves it's become very clear because they're well in the in vampire the masquerade werewolves are absolutely way stronger than vampires I said depending on the stronger faster bigger dicks man it's just they got everything with like a vampire has to use a magic power they have to rouse the blood in order to even turn into a werewolf as a human is not magic related I didn't say that I didn't say that I said they have to use an ability that can even potentially backfire so that they can get an erection through rousing blood technically to be into vampires you have to be into necrophilia true very true it seals the deal well there's someone else that happens with a werewolf one I ain't fucking no I ain't fucking no dead werewolf that'd be fucked up no be fucking a werewolf it's still a person sort of at that point it's more of a human a humanoid wolf well that's like saying fucking Hagrid the giant isn't the same no he's not human especially if it's ps1 Hagrid ps1 dude his face in that game I love the ps1 ps1 Hagrid at least like with a werewolf right the idea is there is a human inside of it so it has human sentience that makes the furry aspect a little less creepy maybe for you I mean they were originally human right then they were bitten by another werewolf and that's how they became a werewolf I think that's how lycanthropy is typically shown yeah well again depending on law lycans and werewolves aren't the same thing right that does seem far lycanthropy is like a werewolf curse no I mean so like underworld is lycans and werewolves different things but again not every fiction has the same rules and shit that does seem far less taboo than sex with a vampire I have to say you're associated with literally fucking a dead person while in most vampire content they are like they move they're undead they're reanimated they're undead yeah but it's not the same experience as fucking a corpse at least that's what seems to be portrayed they're fucking cold right are they though I don't know maybe room temperature isn't cold they're not room temperature they're cooler than yeah as in they're the temperature of whatever room they're in it depends on which fucking vampire you're talking about vampire is not real just fyi so so studly vampires are gay they sparkle oh god we're going with twilight lore now wow you turn into a bat wow it's very impressive yeah it is flying is pretty fucking cool as we established in this stream flying is pretty useful we don't need to even change into bat you just want to fuck them it's just be honest no that's a byproduct I see right through your lies it is an emergent property of how incredible werewolves are listen they're both cool you just hate vampires because they don't want to fuck you vampires are neat some of them are cool like the one in van helsing they use cool that what's his name that draak draak who look her guy like Dracula what a normie choice of vampires when you feel like a sims full pit look at it's face it looks so sad grab the switch tales more than rags I'm writing a fantasy novel series and wanted to add the e-fap cast as cameo characters if that's if you're asking permission go ahead we encourage all forms of well maybe not all but many many forms of artistic you know expression when it comes to our characters and the legacy of e-fap ye what is this 14 werewolves what what is this why doesn't it work properly game supposed to zoom me up use the it should have shot me up to begin with but now I'm like down here why does that seem to be slower than it's supposed to be that's my question because of physics is easy I'm supposed to break through this right that's the goal here this is not annoying at all just saying the Batman trailer was okay the suit looks awful ooh bad take really I saw this dude it looks pretty nifty I think it looks cool it looks like a more realistic Batman suit than most let me go check I guess it depends on what they're looking for in a Batman suit let me see here it looks it's definitely different but I'm okay with it it looks rough but in a good way it does look real like it's something that you could put on an actor and send out to do missions and things it does have this kind of practicality to it mm-hmm it reminds me of a lot of like Russian weaponry where it's very ugly but in a almost mesmerizing way because it's of how utility it looks you know it's not made to be beautiful it's made to serve this function so it kind of gives it this appealing quality yeah and it appears that the the emblem is made from the gun that killed his parents which is a feel about that that's a thing from the comics at least how did he get the gun that's a good question I guess they kept it as part of the case and then he so they did catch the guy well he could have dropped the gun yeah maybe he dropped why would he drop the gun that sounds weird no idea I'm going to tentatively call that very silly I mean it's funny I kind of not sure where I stand on it in general like putting the gun into the emblem I don't know if that's a bit silly myself I'm not sure is it it veers on like I'm 13 and this is cool sort of thing yeah and I wonder it sounds like something Shadow the Hedgehog would do yes that's what I was going for that's it so yeah I guess it'll depend on how it's done in the movie but I I don't know it feels a little weird I'm not willing to jump on the high train with that one but the trailer cool it possibly won't even be the case that it's the gun that killed his parents it could just be a random gun could be the gun that just killed someone else's parents it could I knew you were going to say that I'm just like leave that up to speculation and not actually touch upon it it's probably the best approach to go for he's buying the gun he's like do you have any guns that kill people's parents they're like yeah yeah we got a few what on tails work with me in Twilight he mentions that he needs to practice breathing my question is how does he talk then vampires don't make any fucking sense they do this in Buffy they comment on how they don't breathe and like the implication is just yeah sorry someone needs CPR right and the vampire says he can't do it because he doesn't breathe he's fucking retarded if anything a vampire should probably be the best thing for CPR because the oxygen they take in isn't actually you know processed it just goes back out but no when the option luckily it doesn't affect the plot whatsoever because someone else there can do it it's just it doesn't make any sense why they can't it's like surely you can yeah because I I assume in order to turn the oxygen into carbon dioxide it has to be taking out the oxygen from the air and putting it into the bloodstream and and change the cycling it out so yeah I don't think that it would yeah I think that they they'd be very good at CPR I mean not to say werewolves can't blow me but when it comes to pure CPR yeah I guess for it when that just comes up during the questions like by the way werewolves you know we've got a dichotomy here going you know you know I have no defenses for vampires and basically any content because they'll often make no fucking sense at all when they start to vampires can bleed and I wonder how exactly is there blood in them that's just like still there but don't you in order to bleed do you need to be pumping the blood I don't think so at least bleed it because you still have blood pressure to some degree like I don't imagine it would bleed much but if you cut them like it would just sort of slowly but surely potentially like just escape because it's not a closed system like the circulatory system it has an out now wouldn't it coagulate if it wasn't moving potentially I don't know but if you're always moving then would the veins inside of you be moving sort of what I don't know maybe vampires don't have some do vampires have to sleep that's the thing yeah that's a trope of vampires they sleep in coffins and shit and it's just like yeah I guess that's right they sleep during the day in their coffins yeah werewolves can fucking sleep wherever they want whatever time they want they're still limited by the moon as to when they can be werewolves well but I don't know not always sometimes they just fucking go werewolf like in Joker they just werewolf out they go werewolf out yeah and what if you're werewolf right and if you're the kind of werewolf who only transforms during a full moon what if you just are like sleeping I guess you kind of wake up or is it like that one movie with Anthony Hopkins we still need to see that I want to know if it's shit or not yeah we can watch that one maybe you'll go off flipping crazy and stuff I forget the premise of that one I just remember they fight it's Benicio del Toro right good ol' DJ from good ol' film TLJ that's the one apparently my brain won't stick to it it's a disc jockey grab your friend's hands oh god they're going through walls is that canon the whole DJ stands for don't join I mean I can't remember where I got that from pretty sure it was was it Ryan Jones who said that I don't know cause that's nice it says that his hat like says on the plate it says don't join and that's like he said that in the movie and it's weird my favorite character it's so clever hashtag DJ fucking DJ solo movie please I love how people can hurt him to Boba Fett he's like Boba Fett he's like this Han Solo-ish character he doesn't it's like whatever dude he does not have a character he's weird for the rest you must fight what happened what happened to you Hagrid someone asked what we do if I've seen what we do in the shadows no I haven't but I heard it's good oh it's great and you will love it if you love where works my friend very good stuff it's hilarious where are we do do do I want to know how you guys would see yourselves as D&D adventures style adventurers what sort of fantasy class slash race would you be I would be a bard I would enjoy being a bard we talked about this once but it wasn't a while ago I think we've covered this a couple times I always end up asking people what I would be enough about it I think you would be a you wouldn't be like a strength based someone you'd be like a knowledgy sort of maybe like a warlock or something like that I'm cool with that but I'm definitely going with bard I like the attention seeking performative aspect charisma based supporting magic-y control kind of character really like it as for race I mean I'd be a dog of course I'd be a sheebie dog you know just going at it I'm going for that shit an animus I don't know much about their races but the D&D races let me let me look it up we'll see what tomorrow would be D&D races um let's see I'll drag it one more time um I feel like you might be a you might be a a gnome or a no because you're long so you would be a I guess you'd be like an elves are typically kind of live and and that sort of thing so yeah you might think you'd be an elf or a tiefling maybe because you got like that spooky muller kind of look going is that it then yeah I've got alright uh Angel was intoxicated somehow rags your heart well thank you thoughts on Batman 89 Batman Returns and Batman Forever love the first two a lot love returns more forever is almost as bad as Batman and Robin um Batman is pretty cool even though Returns is weird at times uh Tim Burton going to go a little loose with his flumes but I still like it a lot and then um the Schumacher ones are absurd, camp, crazy nonsense and I have plenty of fun with them fucking cult race movies uh there'll be one three fat movies for sure actually I want to see Arnie's Mr. Freeze again Mr. Freeze what killed the dinosaurs? the Ice Age nailed it he was born to play Mr. Freeze of course I wonder the kind of videos that would be made if that was released today like in terms of ruining the comic character I think people would embrace it for its silliness I would hope they would I guess I do like I would be like man more of this like these back credit cards and biker gangs and crazy corny Arnold mr. freezes like just go for it crazy obsession with neon like there's just loads of neon lights for everything I remember yeah way ahead of time though I remember and this is something I'll be able to rewatch I feel like Gotham was much more Gotham-y or at least individual as a city than it is in a lot of portrayals these days oh yeah it was like this art deco grim gothic kind of dark city yeah it had this really old school 50s kind of vibe to it nowadays modern like Batwoman Gotham is just fucking Vancouver yeah Vancouver it's just nothing interesting at all it's just city but Gotham really had an incredible kind of aesthetic to it absolutely with the big statues of men holding up pillars and things like that cool dark art deco look that's a fucking they have a car chase of that bit don't they mr. free shoots one of the statues and crashes through it and some shit some nuts film you have that mackerel outfit not quite on the same level films but I'd say like Gotham has a pretty nice bit of character to it in Joker yeah you guys want to check out Robin's Bat nipples oh yes I remember those outfits give it to me buddy what I thought that oh wow that planet look this game killed me when I was looking at the Bat nipples they never give up they never give up do they oh god my team they look like slightly higher quality Bible man costumes they really do we need to check out some Bible man episodes yes we do we got an e-fap some Bible man oh there's also animated Bible man adventures yes Bible man animated adventures too oh I cannot believe that the animation looks so cringe I can I did this part already why do I gotta do it again the mosquitoes in Wales are so big that Mola has to use his government issued flamethrower to fight them off we don't get guns we get flamethrowers apparently that doesn't count flames and guns are different some of these names for Bible man episodes blasting the big game master bully what terminating the toxic tonic of disrespect the fibbler lambasting the legions of laziness damn Bible man just don't take any prisoners huh he's not ironically a better superhero than that woman though I'm sure he will be he has a light saber at everything yeah he has a yellow sword yeah why is there a cap now I didn't have him before I think that they would have like the same actor play with the same villain in multiple episodes and he was always having like the time of his life playing it it's actually pretty fun to watch yeah I that sounds like something that would be really tough to go through if you weren't like totally on board with the whole Jesus superhero I mean you could also be incredibly against it and have loads of fun right yeah yeah especially if you're being cheesy you think it would wear down on you because everyone's like oh right before we start the scene let's fucking pray he'll like randomly quote the Bible during his fights it's so cringe I love it he'll like recite the Bible and then he'll get out of the situation he's in it's just like I just saw this it's so cringe release this as if you guys wouldn't pay through the nose to see that oh I would I would believe me I would it's like Michael Mans give his quotes to the dinosaurs Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22 doubt shall not lie with mankind as with womankind it is a fomination just spitting the truth that question about the like who would we be if we were in dnd and stuff they said to try and ask them to other semi-regular guests like Shad and a drinker and J as they appear it's like I mean if it comes up I suppose yeah sure absolutely gotta yeah Mola how would you rate Hill House both objectively and subjectively also who's your favorite character high rags hello subjectively through the roof I really like it subjectively super high it's insanely good until the last episode where it just sort of takes a nose dive just a bit yeah it tanks at the finish line now don't get me wrong all of you should watch it all of you should watch how insanely good this show is it just has a crap in it but how bad is it to lower it from you know how insanely good the first nine episodes are complicated isn't it yeah it really is because even though only one episode is terrible it is the final episode it is the ending and it does just sort of poison parts of older episodes as well unfortunately my god that's the end so I don't know tacitly I probably go with like an eight overall maybe because it it's fucking great in so many aspects insane it just fucks up on a couple of what I would call significant ones maybe seven I'm not sure back oh I'm just gonna be here forever then if you're rating like just the first nine episodes what would you rate it oh nine I have very few things I have trouble with in terms of like continuity and I'm quite impressed with how well written it is but that last episode does look a lot of shit up favorite character rags hmm I'm thinking Theo mine is probably now really like now but I like them all quite a lot yeah it is kind of tough to pick you have a lot of options for how good they all are because they're also different and what they're like and what their personality is like and everything that informs why they are the way they are I'd probably pick Theo too she's pretty awesome hmm of course black cop it's pretty cool pretty great I feel more for mr brimley's death than rbgs I think that makes sense for a lot of people modern halloween may beat modern christmas but olden christmas is filled with ghost stories myths, gnomes, crampus, eulogs and liters of mead oh well good old crampus you ever see crampus? any of you? I have not but I've heard it's really cool it's okay I mean the ending is like a it's a complete mix bag for me I like loads of it and I also think loads of it is kind of garbage it's funny and it's entertaining for a lot of it it's like there's some stuff which kind of ruins things that's for me I agree with red light media though the sound design is amazing in that film if you listen out for all the ways they like portray different things that are happening it's surprisingly good and they talk about how like a film like that could never win like an oscar even be nominated for that category just because of it's crampus it's just not going to happen oh man I got a horde section in this game how about that so if I just spam A as sonic I can kind of win not bad finally catching live after watching all the mainline episodes damn you all for providing me with so many hours of entertaining conversations by the way weird listening at normal speed hi rags I find that when if you're behind a live stream you can obviously play it at two times speed and finally caches up for a moment it feels like they're talking in slow emotion like what are you doing what's wrong with your voice is the timing of rippley's awakening convenient rippley's awakening in aliens no she's woken up what are we talking about she needs woken up when she's discovered what's convenient yeah I need to I assume that's not what they're referring to are they trying to draw a comparison to the criticism of eng's awakening in avatar being convenient are they saying that in aliens right before they're about to send a teen to spooky planet lv496av12 lgvcq I think you got it right that you carried it on you got it right that you carried it on I can't remember if this is in the extended or in the theatrical or just the extended but who are waking up and telling them what happened to the Nostromo is why they send people to the ship I figured that might be why I guess I'd have to see the timeline what's the time of the ship being discovered on lv426 and them not getting contact from lv426 rippley being found and them sending a teen to lv426 I'd have to see that timeline her kid ages and dies like is it 60 years between the end of alien and the beginning of aliens meaning that they obviously are aware of lv426 after the Nostromos discovered it they've sent people there they're colonizing it they haven't gotten as far as the ship they then find her through um I can't remember if they say it's like a distress signal or not and then they send people to the place she was describing and then she gets fired and she starts working as a doc thing and then they contact her specifically to help as an advisor when they lose contact with lv426 I think that's the timeline I mean like in terms of how much time is in between all these events and when do they start and how much I don't know if we're going to get specifics on that when we watch it you'd have to infer that's the thing I don't know if there's like datapads and stuff that have dates on them or if there's these lines or something but that would kind of that would determine really this is all assuming they're talking about aliens I don't even know so you're going to get a discussion out of your super chat whether it's the one you want or not I can't guarantee but I assume that's what they mean or what they could mean you know I guess I'm not technically sure does annihilation count as a spectacle it's a movie and it's visuals easily trump the messy writing it's the only thing I can really enjoy about it I don't think visuals ever trump messy writing like they would never just in the sense that the visuals in that movie are better than the writing that doesn't make the movie good though but if you go into the movie just wanting interesting visuals you'll get that however it doesn't make the movie good Mola, please pull up the script for JJ Abrams cancelled Superman movie and have rags read it it's awful I don't think we can read it as scripts Google will take some time but I'm sure it is wait is that I thought that was JJ Abrams assigned someone with Warner Brothers to do DC movies doesn't he? I don't know I could have a 20 meter deal they were eyeing him and supposedly Disney they sabotaged JJ oh like with the Rise of Skywalker meddling and everything allegedly well like they wanted to make him look bad yeah they wanted to basically sabotage him because the idea would be they get him to look bad then he doesn't you know get brought on by WB WB gets scared and then they don't make a successful Superman movie that was the like that was mentioned in the saltier than a thread that was like rumors from behind the scenes drama of Rise of Skywalker the one where JJ Abrams is like why don't you just say directed by Disney or something hmm JJ Abrams Superman I feel like JJ is almost so big and famous at this point as a director that he could come out and say something like that don't even look at numbers like Rise of Skywalker still made money yeah it still made a bunch yeah but who knows I don't know but that would be like of all the things I want to know in the world that's just the story of the the real story of the production of that movie is I'm super curious I get the feeling that JJ Abrams was not happy at all with how it turned out dude I want the JJ Kurt yeah release the JJ Kurt he deserves to have his shitty vision seen by everyone I honestly think that the JJ Kurt would be better than what we got just because speaking studio meddling is worse than just having one person's creative vision seen through generally speaking generally speaking all right yeah if someone's like you have a choice committee made or one guy in his vision I'd be like I guess one guy in his vision yeah if I have to go with one of those but you know I like to think there are some committees out there that are like hey maybe the scene where Rose Tico and Finn kiss maybe we cut that how about that how about we don't keep that because that's super fucking weird and they're just like no it's my vision I need it yeah acceptance can be made for all we know the committee put that scene in I'm sure Ryan wanted it though I know but like committee committee's made consignment three and amazing consignment two and suicide squad the way that they were that's what I'm saying is that they could have been the ones that wanted the kiss for all we know that's why they're also it's good and bad you never quite know what the fucking it's a video game fine I'll play it your way okay I'm nearly out of lives too which is beard mmm it's called Superman fly by fair enough Molo when is Alt Shift X guesting on eFap we'd love to hear you discuss Game of Thrones and Westworld with him as and as always high rags long man bet hello I'm on board with him coming on I'm not sure if he'd be be up for it or not but sure yeah he's said on Twitter at some point I think that he's planning on making a rant about Game of Thrones which fucking about time because the whole thing is he's super super super objective about analyzing Game of Thrones and so even with season 8 he was doing his very best to not shit on it so I think everybody is like do it be honest with your feelings give it into your hatred it will make you strong we have that second channel Alt Shift X right like where he kind of posts more stuff that's kind of subjective yeah I think that's where he's going to be popping that rant probably but I'll watch this shit he did a rant on Westworld season 2 that was pretty good from what I remember I almost made a rant for season 1 why can't I fucking turn around Sonic that's the thing I've said before but I would have been making the Westworld critique if not for TLJ interrupting me why'd you be so bad did you ever see season 2 they did there's so much wrong with it that I barely made it through there was something that happened towards the end with the man in black and it is such an insane scene which ruins so much about it have you seen season 3? I've heard that's even worse I enjoyed it more than season 2 but it's definitely as to me as season 2 so I'll just say whatever good day massives just popping in to thank you guys for this amazing podcast it's really entertaining and well crafted Rags hello glad you enjoyed and thanks for the compliment you are gay damn dude you get the really nice super chats and then you get the fucking destructive ones and it's just like how am I supposed to handle this how are we ever going to recover thanks tails I couldn't figure that out myself there we go more than Rags need to watch regular show you guys are so much like the main characters I don't know why lol so many things we have to consume Rags yeah I like regular show that's good stuff I don't think there's anything bad that'll come from being recommended to the animal show about anthropomorphic animals no especially not animated talk to metal and tell him he makes me feel all fatherly and I want to adopt him and raise him as a proper Polish boy instead of a gibbered Vader um so like I guess I can let him know yeah I'm sure you'd appreciate that I'm Mola my tin can has gas in it light it up just blaze boom I'm gay also Mola I'm saying these words and Rags put it in me well I can't be held accountable for such craziness oh no spooky trains next Disney live action remake pitch the great mouse detective where all the rodents eat Enola Holmes alive I'd watch it also squeak squeak Rags oh squeak squeak love me some uh love me some prey mouse detective that's a great movie I've heard a lot about this Enola Holmes thing um is it a movie or a TV show where it's like a Netflix thing movie on Netflix oh it's Netflix Netflix stop the uh what's the idea there it's Sherlock's sister well uh let me see yeah it's like so there's a young adult fiction series called Enola Holmes it doesn't share like continuity with the original Sherlock canon but it uses the characters because it's a public domain um and I have to let's see Enola Holmes um I know that like on like if a certain Netflix app it describes Sherlock and Minecraft as useless so let's off to a great start so I'm looking at the cover for the great mouse detective and one of the covers is and it makes me wonder like because we got this for some other Disney stuff where it's clearly not the actual animators who made the show who made the cover because it's just totally different like especially the the little girl mouse uh forget her name uh but she looks nothing like she does in oh in fact um the the gal who does my uh doggo art Kichiki Disney fan um and I know what she was she was actually talking about how why is it that on so many of these Disney covers they look shit compared to how the actual animation in the show is like the animation will be good but they'll just hire some substandard artists to do the cover of the VHS box and stuff like that I guess it's just a thing they do because I'm noticing it here but uh the radigan and basil of faker street what a great um in all the homes better radigan was a fucking scary rat man he was hmm not a good rat he's not a good rat um yeah unfortunately I've not got a lot of time left so I'm probably gonna try and uh cross it off there rags and I will probably be doing a stream on Wednesday if possible to catch up um yeah whatever we can get one in but of course it's been fun I guess I'll uh I'll continue Sonic Heroes next time we do catap... what a tisamy game I'm sure I'm just really bad at it it's fine uh but yeah before we do any kind of heading out I um I suppose Southport whoever wishes to go first if you'd like to talk about where people can find you what you do on your channels go ahead Evan uh my channel is Evan Monroe I haven't posted anything new yet um I am possibly planning a video on the last part two I've got an idea for a script I need to redraft it and I need to play the game again get some footage but I might do a video on the last part two which talks about um subjects in it and uh compare it to movies to like prove my points so um don't know when that will be out but in the meantime the stuff of my channel is already there and my newest video is the cinema wins video how do you find your response to that uh everyone's response to that how do you find the discussion and stuff because I thought it was a pretty good video oh thank you I uh it's been pretty good uh if funnily funnily enough more people have been defending cinema sins than cinema wins in the comments they're like cinema sins just for comedy it's like I'd imagine more people like cinema wins is just for fun but apparently more people are on cinema sins side so yeah but it's uh it's been getting decent views so yeah have you got anything from cinema wins saying fuck you probably at some point but yeah it's it's getting a good conversation going nonetheless but yeah well yeah um check out the channel link in description and in chat and what do you do southpaw well not a whole lot these days because I I'm working on a very long video on last was part two I'm going to tear that to shreds I will tear it down to his last atom I'm going to cover everything I'm not going to leave any stone unturned um and that's going to take a while because I still have a script to finish and then I've got to sub clip all of my footage from a an offline play through that I did be sending highlights of that footage to Mahler for his video and Mahler I think you're going to be sub clipping your footage and sending some to me too right oh we'll probably pool our examples of shitty AI or shitty AI headshots that are missed when because of the shitty aim sway um yeah I'm going to go in depth on gameplay aspects that I wasn't expecting to go in depth on like playing last of us one and then two side by side and seeing what the aim sway is like even when upgraded it's such shit it's like unbearable to play given that it's a it's a PlayStation exclusive game it's not like you have the option of using a keyboard and mouse um so given that there's that stuff to deconstruct as well as the story and like I said there's certain plot elements that are so terrible that it's going to take more than I think the Joel section might be like 20,000 words alone by the time I'm finished with it um there's a lot of counter arguments that I want to to make in response to defenses like you're just mad that Jill is dead that's the that's the only thing that you're mad that like okay well I mean I'm more mad that the execution is nonsensical um as we laid out earlier Mahler it's like yeah you can kill him off two minutes into the game and you can kill him off brutally and unceremoniously just have it make sense you know and uh I'll outline why it doesn't make sense I'll compare it to deaths of characters I really loved in other forms of media other stories and yet we still got a good story out of it because the setup for it made sense um and in the description on uh in the stream is my live stream channel where I will be streaming playthroughs of video games as well as uploading the south podcast that's the new home of the south podcast where we are irregularly streaming and uploading but our most recent one was a coverage of cuties with the critical drinker and Anna following us watching the movie itself with the thought theater so um it was also in the latest south podcast so lots of uh lots of fun little e-fap EU shenanigans to be found on the south podcast there you go if you're out of e-fap episodes and you're thinking what can I do with my life and check out some other podcasts it seems like everybody's got a podcast these days huh pretty much you guys are trendsetters we're like the billion billionth podcast but uh I mean like I'm seeing a lot of like spinoffs of this podcast though well none of them look as swanky as us with this graphic do they that's what sets us apart yeah does your title have a moving red bits on it? I don't think so no definitely not we definitely weren't the first that did that absolutely not that's yeah the pioneer of activism that is true yeah I just know that you saw that like ooh we need the e-fap logo animated it was um I remember who's idea was of myself or rags of the autist but either way it turned out pretty cool yeah I I think it's a lot better than the original logo even though the original logo was perfectly fine uh well I mean it's the same logo it's just the red stuff moves well it's just it's aesthetically pleasing kind of like uh looking at the or uh borealis um yeah I think so uh as for the future we've got more e-fap minis and movies being being cut up and sorted out I'm working on the last of us two video pretty much entirely now but um we've also got some lots of things meaning rags are up too with lots different people especially for spooky ween get some get some specials going you know watch some spooky stuff in fact oh wait the next e-fap will be spooky oh yeah because it'll be on the third so yeah uh who knows what'll happen it'll be exciting either way uh thank you Mr. Internet's Janitor who left uh a little while back for coming on that was that was fun we another person in the in the big book of people who came on after being checked out and I think the conversation was absolutely civil once again not trying to kill each other you know and of course uh thank you Evan rags and southpaw for all hanging out for this for this long as per usual I don't even know how long this one actually is I've I've kind of my time is all fucked up about eight hours yeah it's um we're finishing up where we would normally finish up it's just that we started a little bit later so it's like are we at nine did you say sorry eight uh is we at what now we are oh yeah eight and a half hours damn that's longer than I actually thought either way uh thank you all for the very kind donations we'll catch up with them like I said we'll have a stream me uh rags and I'll sort of write out and thank you for watching us about anything else before we head off no thanks for watching hope you guys had a good time listening in and we will catch you soonish and ever that may be and for whatever reason yes oh well good night good night good night not ever later