 Simple screen recorder capturing MPV windows. We're going live. Are we going live? Yeah, we're live Oh, we're live now. Yeah, I haven't received it on my end here yet. Let me just refresh the page casually Okay, and I see my watch is on silent phone is on silent Okay, I could hear myself. So my audio is working Hello everybody if you can hear us this is we're gonna do some do do some podcasting So yeah, we're all in a good mood Podcasts we're gonna fight today. I think we're gonna fight. Yeah Unfortunately your ally has not shown up so It's me versus you two apparently Anyways, if you can you can if in the chat if you're watching this and you can tell us if the audio is okay or not Yeah, you're in a on the audio. This is me saying some words words words Tyler some words, please Beautiful elegant waterfall drips down on my head these are words and These are more words and these are my final word It started really good and then it went Really downhill pretty fast well that waterfall drowned him Josh some words Well in the meantime while you guys are playing our own words. I'm currently hacking the system right now I thought you were gonna show me gen 2 compiling the Colonel He said that to me as soon as I joined the call and I was like, I mean, I don't know how C matrix is helping you get into the system, but But smart move, you know using C matrix I'm just real crafty shit right now. I was using bus C matrix and hacker typer on them. I Was right some six C C code C matrix isn't good unless you pass it through all cat. I'm just I mean, it's just truth Anyways, the Linux tube in the in the chat I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to change your name to the Linux tuba because every time I read your name I read it is the Linux tuba And it's okay because every time I type my own channel name I type it as the Linux cat so Oh They're me weird we got people compiling gen 2 and jet of course we do Somewhere so, you know, it's a good day when someone's compiling gen 2 So I sent a computer off to somebody a few days ago Which is partially why my room is such a mess eternal is because you know I just build computer peers for people and this person just like oh, yeah By the way, this computer that you made for me it compiled a kernel in 10 minutes Like oh, what are you compiling kernels for he's like? Oh, yeah, I'm installing gen 2 like oh well That is no it flips me for me whatsoever. He's like, yeah, I just I just felt like trying it out You brought up a good point that I think a lot of people in chat can relate to with me on this Before like and we talked about this last night, which by the way If you want to see the wildest live stream you've ever seen in your entire life check my last live stream Uh, it will it will not disappoint But we talked about it last night like before I met you Josh This is how my life worked when it came to gen 2 I thought it was interesting But I couldn't get it to work and so I was just like it's just not for me I met you and now even though I don't really necessarily want to run gen 2 as a daily driver Every fucking week or two if I'm lucky two weeks. I have an uncontrollable urge to install gen 2 I can't explain exactly why or anything. I just get an uncontrollable urge I'm like I need to install it's contagious because Despite the fact that I spent two months on a gen 2 based distro. I Installed calculate Linux on a laptop this week, so This kid couldn't help it just starting the next Linux epidemic right here. It's fine. It's fine It could be worse. I still take credit for like the first gen 2 installations last year I could take I could take responsibility for a second one even though fine. I'm not using the distro Next year six months of challenges Linux from scratch for gosh Are you sure about that? I just I was doing it. You're doing it I want to pass the first page of the friggin manual like what If it helps any or today, I'm not running solace Are you But for the sake of this podcast I'm not running solace today because solace was turning out to be way too buggy because you know I was running the ends and stable repositories So we did the thing that we almost never do we set up a dual boot on our computer and you're running Today, I'm coming to you from Kubuntu Thank you, thank you miss I said that the next distro you'd move to is Ubuntu. Yeah, well this this Ubuntu is maximum snappified Did this discord I'm talking to you through right now is a snap My my web browser is a snap these these software I'm using to record my audio is a snap I get it You're an anarchist. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, everything is a snap everything Because I need you to know that people are very stupid and some people run nano as a snap Yeah, so is your nano text editor a snap then miss a snap. I can tell you that much All right, it's it doesn't work unless you have system D is a snap. I'm just Yeah, that's not possible, right my file manager is a snap. Well, that's that whatever Everything on his on his computer takes for 45 to 50 seconds to load Well the first time So you just leave it on Proper loop-back devices which I don't even want to look at my LSB okay, but it's kind of cancerous Josh it may or may not crash the terminal. What's wrong with you, dude? Like you spread contagions throughout the Linux world now. There's tons of people in chat being like dude snaps are great like I'll know what your problem is. What is happening? You have it in order to actually see anything in LSB okay? You have to pipe it through less I do have to increase the size of my terminal like I can tell you that much That's great. Yeah, I can't cannot believe they still haven't fixed that by the way and they're not going that's just the way It's gonna be you know because snaps are snaps are basically just squash FS containers Which the only way you can mount squash FS container is as a loop-back device So of course it's going to show up in LSB okay because that's it literally LSB okay is job I'm supposed to list the block devices well cuz you can you can There's flags to remove the loop-back devices in LS. I'm surprised that with the default Bash RC in Ubuntu based distros doesn't have like an alias to do that If it would if I ran Ubuntu Yeah, all right, of course if I ran Ubuntu there won't be a snap in sight No, you use the Ubuntu flat pack remix That's probably true. All right, let's go ahead and get started I have audacity open you guys got your audacity open OBS Because if I don't I'm gonna have to take the video and cut it down into an audio file Export is just the audio because if I don't do that Then audacity is going to Well, it's just not going to record right so let me guess you're on Windows Well, it's not just that because it also is happening on Linux But for some reason don't know why but here lately the pulse audio echo cancellation Well, especially if you're using that with pipe wire pipe wire does something where the echo cancellation doesn't actually Completely remove the audio. It's a tiny I have a solution to this Yes, but my dog. Okay. Look this Sound like my dog ate my homework and I have a solution to this my dog ate all my headphones Actually You're bringing up the air pods if I could find my air pods. I'll show them to you for one I found out this computer doesn't have Bluetooth. I thought it did doesn't who also my sister's dog ate one of my fucking air pods I have a solution. I have a solution to your Bluetooth as well Do we need to do you want me to send you some more headphones It's all good. I mean, I mean, I'll definitely give anyone who wants to send me stuff my address Just probably also Out there. There's the next generation unibom are like excellent All right, I'm gonna go ahead and hit record in audacity I'm gonna hit record in OBS because we're gonna need a backup because obvious reasons And then Tyler thinks I'll Steve's not here. You can do them some claps All right Let's see See if you remember how to do this right it's been a while Yeah, it's been a while, but I think I can get it. All right, one read and what comes after one It's good three two one Not even close, but it's good enough By the way, I'm in a loopy mood So you guys are just gonna have to deal with me think finding everything funny and also breaking out into Adele songs Gonna happen and probably the red Radisson and God smack and As long as we can you know like hit a melody together and you know sing that Like that part of an Adele song, I think we'll be good We'd be real we'd be a really really bad barbershop quartet because none of us can carry a tune You'd be sure about that Wait, Josh, you can carry a tune. I have a music degree That doesn't mean you can sing. I know a lot Like I know a lot of people with their music degrees and they can't sing with a lick All right Let's go ahead and get started. I think I Think I think I'm ready to go. I don't I could I could just open up Well, I was going to input input all of your arguments in the chat GPT just to see if I could get to defend itself But unfortunately, it doesn't look like it wants to work today Prize anybody know what that push.sh Script in the repo is for that's Steve's, but I don't know what it's for And then actually look at it. I just saw now I think it's just a script that he uses to automatically run git commit and push Okay, I Just curious Apparently he needs a script for it that way he doesn't have to enter two commands. He just runs dot slash push Maybe has a key binding But he didn't he didn't put out any of the pads in there. All right. It is there. Um, let's go It's fine. You get I'm gonna get so this script later before before we decided we're gonna turn over to terminal for life Which by the way, I was actually able to get in contact with him for the first time forever last night. Were you I was excited Cool. Yeah, I asked me when we're gonna come back. He said I'm still I'm still thinking about it I haven't heard from him since Christmas He normally messages Messages me when he's on Damn. All right. Let's go ahead and get started. I miss TFL me Josh and Tyler Yeah, I miss seeing a video from him every once in a while. It was always fun All right. Anyways, I still have the entire archive of this channel on my server You gotta start sharing that shit. Yeah, man And put this up on good. Well, yeah, I can't There's a peer-tube instance that I post to I've been trying to a sweet talk the admin for to let me upload The entirety of it to there that way, you know, I don't have to set up my own because It's an awful lot of storage space We should we should talk about peer-tube one day because I have some thoughts about that Anyways, let's go ahead and get started Hey, everybody. Welcome to the next cast. I'm your host Matt I'm Tyler. Hi, and I'm Josh. I think we've reversed where we were supposed to go, but that's okay Nobody it is Seriously guys, this is going to be one of those episodes where I get distracted by Everything I have no attention span for this whatsoever. Um, I don't even really know why I'm just in a really really freaking good mood Like it's a Saturday. That's super good mood. I'm having steaks for dinner So it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good times guys plus, you know, fancy fancy I'm on Arch Linux was not like anyway, so let's so this is a Linux cast. We talk about Linuxy things That's what we usually do on this channel. Anyways today Not so much really actually we have a we're gonna do something a little bit different today We have a topic. So if you have been following the podcast for a while That's what we actually used to do was topics. We didn't cover the news Then we covered a little bit of news and a topic and then we went to all news Now we're gonna start interspersing some topics here and there it's not gonna be like every week or whatever We're gonna just because you know, they're big things that we need to talk about so We're gonna talk about artificial intelligence today, but we're gonna before we do that We're gonna talk about what we did this week in open source and Linux and all that nonsense So Tyler did you do anything in the open source world this week? Or have you been living in Bill Gates pocket? Yeah, actually I have been doing a lot of Blender work animating Modeling and by modeling I mean taking my assets and modifying them and Blender animating and Blender's been a lot of fun Also found out that setting up a rig can be For a for a mod for a gun model especially an AR style one with a charge a slide heard It's quite tedious and takes you about seven hours of a live stream Yep. Yeah. Yeah, and then you finally get it animated and it takes you like another three four hours to Get a good, you know idle animation and a walk animation. So yeah Yeah, it's been a little tedious, but I've been doing a lot of Blender work some stuff in unity but I Will say though unity has gotten more reliable on Linux But it's not really stable enough where I Consider it like ready to go Also for context why I'm using unity and animating stuff in Blender and doing all that stuff is On my channel. We're making a game And obviously it I mean, it'll be on all platforms, but of course definitely Linux And yeah, we're making all the enemies are gonna be empowered by chat GPT Sadly, no Language model is gonna transfer over to a to a path finding model very well We'll find out you'd have it right the script so that the entire story is written by AI Actually So a big part of what we're doing is everyone in the community is helping on different parts. So One guy named Fraggle has he's done both the story and What was it the game gameplay loop or something like that like he helped out a lot with that had hip dad give some Pointers and stuff and we're just kind of making a fun game like we're just having fun with it So like the story it doesn't take itself too seriously. It's pretty funny like And yeah, it's just all around a good game and so Josh won out Josh wanted a narrative game I was like, I don't think we're gonna go that route and now the game's got a story We got to make again that I at least I'm willing to pet play otherwise I'm not gonna touch it my favorite game of all time is heavy rain and it's like a story-based Game that's like all it is. It's kind of the game is so good. Oh, man. That's back when I was a gamer Put on quote gamer It's been a minutes. I even looked at that game. That's that's the game's 20 years old I literally got it for free And I didn't think it was gonna be good And then I started playing it and I was like, I cannot believe they gave this gave this game to me for free Really nice game. Really good game. That's something has several different endings so you can play it, you know a couple times All right, Josh, what have you been doing this weekend Linux? Well other than pushing several hundred updates to solos because apparently no nobody else is updating GUI applications and everybody else's work on it on everything underneath That's really been about it I did attempt to record a couple videos today and then watch the hard drive die Well, not today, but like this week and watch the hard drive Well, two hard drives and a raid tenor a die Which if you know anything about Software raid if you have one drive die, it's fine If you have to two drives die It's bad and the backup and for some reason the backup script didn't take effect yet so as a result I lost 14 videos that I that I had recorded 14 terabytes 14 terabytes Now thankfully it thankfully it's my massive 18 terabyte data storage of which Most of most of which did make it to the backup server Well, I also tend to buy a lot of used gear so it's kind of my own fault, too Yeah, I do that too. I it's been so long since I bought anything new It's just so much easier to buy you stuff and cheaper Yeah, so it's not a dead distro by the way really is weird to have two distro maintainers now on the podcast That's basically what you've become. I'm not even a distro maintainer I'm just I'm just updating some packages for people that are bored How long before they invite you to join the project? Uh, probably never because you know, I'm still making them mad at me He's definitely getting banned. I was just waiting for y'all to be finished talking. I was like, I don't never do that Like as soon as they do something that he doesn't like he's not gonna be like I'm disappointed, but it's okay He's gonna know they rejected me packaging through and are Or like it is objectively better file manager in kaja Oh Okay, all right, so me personally I've done some things so I was on archcraft and I You know, I was enjoying it was fine and I got everything set up after my red core adventure and I did a so I was back to my normal like ZSH RC file and somewhere in there. I had an arch install like alias that used top grade and Top grade for whatever reason is really it's either really old in the a you are or really new in the a you are I'm not sure which one it is But when I went to run it it ran fine, but somewhere along the line it rewrote everything in the Etsy's directory Like it rewrote every single thing in there So I managed to I managed to get and it was on a butterfly system But the system it was only three days old and I hadn't managed to take a snapshot yet So I was kind of screwed so I end up what you're asking me how to automate the snapshots Well, I'd never used zipper before I always use timeshift, you know and never ran it as a cron job I just ran timeshift every time I did a An update and I know you can I know you can run timeshift now Along with Pac-Man or whatever. There's some integration there now, but there didn't used to be But anyways, I installed vanilla arch Linux and you know, it's it's been fine It feels weird to be back on arch Linux after saying that it was overrated for like the last seven months I feel I feel a little weird about it, but it's it's it's been a good experience. I also have been said I've Basically even spending spending the last two days or so Getting everything back set up the way it needs to be making sure everything is you know set up and the number of things that Don't come with a baseline arch installed arch install script Install of arch Linux is really kind of shocking like man is not installed The base group has definitely gotten smaller like man like okay like I want what I want to know I'm gonna go on a little bit of rant here. So like so the the Application man is not installed on vanilla arch Linux out of the box through arch install at least right nope the idea Behind it. I don't know what it is, but it doesn't make any sense no matter what the argument is because the thing that if it's the If it's to save package space Fine, but man is like one of the smallest packages you could pass I mean, it's like I'm talking we're talking kill if anything on arch Linux man is actually two different packages Well, I don't care I'm just saying is that the it doesn't actually save space because every program you install it's going to install the man page Anyways, it's all the documentation is going to be there no matter what packages you install It's going to be in you know user whatever docs or whatever, right? So and that's going to be what's taking up the space on the system So you can't tell me it's because of minimalism. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever that man is a thing but also vanilla arch Linux does not respect xdg jurors it doesn't set up that stuff at all You have to do it all manually which is just It's xdd jurors, right? Like I don't understand. How is this not default if you're going to use system D and System D they actually pulled out e-log and D from system D in order to package it separately put it in the aur You know because it's not even there anymore. So you have to put all this stuff in there It's it's it's really weird the things that they've chosen to care about Well e-log and D is actually a separate project from log and D Which is what you're actually probably assuming log and D is actually a system D project now So that's probably why they moved the log and D today you are Right, but it's the package together on literally every other district except for gen 2 Yeah, so Right, like those are the two distros that take Log and D or e-log and D out and you have to install them separately this one and everything else is packaged together. It doesn't make I I don't know. I'm sure they have some developer reason for it, but it was just The more I use vanilla archal next every time I come across something that like wait a minute. Why isn't that there like? Why time for Matt to enter to void. Why isn't installed? Maybe actually someone in chat said arch goes out of their way to make things painful just like suckless they just hate people and like Look if we're gonna be honest, I think I think arch is going through a period where Do I need to find that bug report that I found against Pac-Man? Yeah, where the guy literally raged at me and told me to buy better internet Well like to me like the Thing with arch right now as they're going through like kind of the the suckless phase of development They're they're wanting to slim down and minimalize which like I do like arch is a very minimal distro I do kind of like that however Sometimes they're going about it the suckless way where it's just like arbitrary like and stuff that makes no sense Like two thousand lines of code. Why? Okay, so Here's a here's my question. Maybe Josh, you know the answer to this question. Which package is bigger via nano? I Actually believe by is is larger than nano is I guess that and that would make sense because fight hasn't come installed But nano does But can you think of another distribution out there that is a GNU slash Linux? That doesn't come with Vi installed out of the box Fedora I'm pretty sure Fedora has Vi installed. Nope. It doesn't I'd be shocked if you guys are right about that I'm positive. I've used Vi before I on you probably installed it. That's why I just pushed that a little extra button and get that myself some tasty Vim if I'm gonna install it. I mean I mean, come on. I ain't I'm not dead dumb. I'm just saying I'd be interesting. Okay. I'm gonna Anyways said that said there are some issues with arch Linux right now We're just like a lot of the packages are actually like falling behind the bleeding edge that arch Linux is famous for and It's actually starting to become a little bit concerning because at this point there's all there's like one guy That's like packaging 60% of the packages. Yeah, no, actually you bring up a very Who knows to that guy? I can't remember his name not that I even remember how to pronounce it anyway But that guy that guy, you know, he's got to have like his own dedicated build server for like these arch packages Or, you know, he's just not testing him whatsoever. That's kind of the problem with arch is like so arch is falling behind the bleeding edge But it's also It I think it's a natural thing because like the community has grown to such a point It's so hard like like the packet the scope of the packages that the project has to maintain It's just grown so much Yeah Which they have pushed a lot of stuff out out of the main and the extra repositories to the community repo as well Which the community repo is completely Community maintained so the arch core team is actually maintaining less packages than what compared to what they used to Well, that's by necessity because the package is like you gotta give it like this ten years ago the packages Like let's just say they were they're maintaining the exact same packages Those packages have gotten larger and there's more especially if you're if you're doing proper auditing on the packages you maintain Yeah, that's Yeah, yeah, I mean if you if you're maintaining a big project that gets plenty of commits from people and Like you're actually auditing code before you publish to a repo like yeah, yeah But then again, let's be honest most maintainers don't do that and also I don't blame them either That's a lot of fucking work and no one's paying you so no one wants to spend two hours going over the code base for a Small little program to make sure no one's done something messed up as long as the program compiles and works cool. Send it up All right, so I Don't know anyways. I'm back on Arch. I'm mostly happy So that's just I guess I'm mostly happy. I don't I Had so at the end of my Redcore experience. I was very happy to you know, I Was ready to get off record. There was nothing wrong with record. I liked it plenty enough I was just ready to go back to a regular distribution But you know I was happy to hop button now I'm back to wanting to find something stable and as long as arch stay stable I'll probably be happy with it for a while But you know, I could see myself going back to Fedora. I'm you know, so I don't know Didn't you get a new recent graphics card upgrade? Yeah You got the 6700 okay, so On Fedora, you guys are right. Vi is not installed. That's because they installed them by default So And vi is aliased to them in fedora and I know that because I literally just installed fedora to check it So don't now you say I literally just did that Like I know the default text editor system wide as Nana well, that's not that's that's not surprising. That's what that's what you Know but at the same time, I think we can all agree it's better that the Vim dev Or excuse not the Vim devs the Fedora devs give you Vim instead of vi Like look like everyone can especially if you're a Vim user you can use vi no problem But there's also no reason like unless unless we're talking about strictly server distribution Like anything oriented towards the desktop just install like Vim or nano like or both That's pretty much like don't go vi like there's no reason to go vi Yeah, if someone doesn't like Vim and they only want vi. They can just uninstall it and solve a vi. It's fine Okay, so here's another question. I mean we really do need to get into the main topic, but it's true okay, is For okay, so I might be under misunderstanding what vi sudo is but isn't vi sudo Isn't vi a dependency of vi sudo or is vi sudo just an alias for whatever default text editor you have on the system Vi sudo is just a editor editor command that just Opens up the systems default editor like pseudo configuration like pseudo edit Yeah, it's basically pseudo edit. Okay. Um, it's just pseudo edit before pseudo existed. All right, okay It's just so weird to me the arch comes without vi install it's like Maybe fedora does something weird, but every distro that I've ever used has vi install like it's weird because if if arch uses Arch uses grub as the grub is the bootloader. So that means it has emacs installed In some form fashion, but it doesn't have vi install Now I don't think you can actually use that version of emacs, right? It's that's built into grub, but still The well grub doesn't actually ship emacs. It ships it ships an editor that's that uses emacs key mindings But that's really about it. I thought it was actual emacs. It's not actually Yeah, have you have you have you ever been in the grub grub editor up time? No, that's reason Next time you're in a boot menu that's that's that's using grub just hit the e-key on your keyboard and it'll drop you right into it Emacs editor. Yeah, get the fuck out. You're being serious. I'm serious How is it that I I knew something that Tyler didn't know I'm just anyway You just bear with me for just like a why an emacs editor because Grub came out before vended plus plus it's a new it's it's a canoe project, right? Yeah, it's a canoe project. That's that's Much more Well, like I said, it's not not fully max apparently That was my miss but all but because it's a canoe project emacs is also a canoe project. So it makes sense that that's reason why If there was ever reason not to you literally just dropping into emacs it was like wait, hold on It's my if you went into it You would think I mean I thought it was emacs because it's model after it has the emacs key bindings and shit It models after emacs. It doesn't look it's just but it's black instead of white by default Um, I mean so does emacs emacs by default doesn't actually support syntax highlighting It's a lot of distributions that just package that in with it Go has a emacs by default has a black background Yeah, and somebody out there said all you want. That's a bad idea. Let's go do the white theme instead So the way that it works is that emacs the GUI application uses the use of the black white background black text because that is the that is the g gtk default The gtk defaults to add white though, which is a light theme Okay, now emacs in the terminal and heritage your terminal colors I've been told not to that using emacs in the terminal is like Well, I've heard using emacs in the terminal is Equated to Like a deadly sin, right? That's exactly as what DT says DT says you shouldn't use in the terminal I think it was DT Well, I mean, I've heard it for more than just DT, but I have anything is The thing is the majority of my time spent in emacs is actually in a terminal because a lot of times whenever I'm using emacs I'm I'm sshing into my web server which maintains my wonderful Dungeons and Dragons document Do you lose features though like yeah being in the terminal how many? So the biggest beat the biggest features that you lose text size Yeah, is a variable font sizes As well as a different fonts entirely because you get Yeah, because in org mode you can set different font faces for different paragraphs Like your headings be one one font and then your body be a be a different font As well as different sizes to some bold so my talax We're 30 we're 30 minutes, and we haven't even touched the top yet. It's fine It's fine Well, we'll we'll segue into it because you know the wonderful thing about emacs is that emacs has a plugin for chat GPT What doesn't have a chat as well as co-pilot for You get one for them doesn't have either actually I'm there actually is a plugin or for them That puts jet jet GPT in there I think it actually might be for Neo Vim because I think it's written in Lula Well, that's why I was gonna say there is a Vim one, but it's Neo Vim, but yeah It's fairly new it's within the last month or so so this one says that it is built with them not be not Neo Vim Well, it's the it's the new thing Okay, so you guys know when you first learn how to program one of the first things you learn how to do is either a calendar or to do List or something like that? Chat the chat GPT bot or the chat GP. I learned how to draw a box in integration That's gonna be the new first thing that programmers learn how to do Because you don't have to do it yourself how you do say hey chat be GPT do this for me, and I'll turn it in as my own Well, like really in all honesty like I don't I think that that probably especially in the future We'll definitely be how like new new to programming like Beginners start out because it's it's really not that hard you integrate the API and then you just query Whatever that like the input is from the user send that over to chat GPT You take the text input and just spit it out into a text editor No, you don't use chat GPT use the purpose-built tool So like your get a co-pilot if you're using VS code or if you're working with Amazon stuff there They're fancy new AI. I mean you but you get what I'm saying like you're you're essentially just querying You're you're literally just querying an output. That's it. It's really not that hard Okay, so let's go ahead and jump into the main topic. So we we can do that before before we do Let's go in and get the contact information out of the way that way We don't have to come back to it because there's no good split part once we get into the topic So if you want to get in contact with us, you can do so in any number of ways The best way is probably to head on over to the website, which is the Linux cast or there You'll find previous episodes all the way back to season one. We're well over a hundred episodes. Not by the way I mean like well over so if you are if it's a rainy day and you want to hear some really mediocre Linux content head on over there and listen to some of our early episodes. Trust me, you'll regret it Some of those are pretty over it If you want to hear some me if you want to see some mediocre content All right. Well got me sold to be to be fair those early episodes with me and Ricky are pretty good and Then it goes downhill cuz it's just me for a little while and then Mark shows up and it gets better And then it just continues to get better after that so anyways, well, no cuz then I joined on and then just things go down massively That's not true. We have you and I hit that chemistry thing off right from the bat Dude, you were the perfect co-host to join at that point because if I hadn't found a co-host right, you know Then it would have been just me and probably I wouldn't have even started this, you know The YouTube channel go along with it So anyways a previous episodes on the website You can also find blog posts there when I post them Which I do every single week if you want to get early access to those Blog posts along with an exclusive podcast which I put out every single week you can find find that and with By supporting me at patreon.com slash the Linux cast Josh is on the interwebs And you can find all of his contact information at 10 lead j.com slash stalker Tyler is on YouTube And we just need to pause here for a second and realize that first of all Tyler put out a video this week like an actual video He remembered his login information apparently found it written down on that post-it note Which was under a dirty sock somewhere Anyways, you can Go over there. He's been streaming. He like streamed for eight hours last night playing a game So if you like games you'll if you like game development head on over youtube.com slash zanyo g is the URL that you want to find there you can email us at email at the Linux cast org and if you will find on find all of These links you can either look in the chat right now because Jack Josh is being a good moderator Thank You Josh or you can head on over to the Linux test org slash contact So that's you'll find all of the links for all of our stuff there now obviously steve's links are also there He's a he's away on assignment. I think he's at a wedding or something. I think is what he said he was doing So anyways, that is the contact information now Excuse me the Topic of the day is artificial intelligence now before we jump into this whole Artificial intelligence conversation. Can we just pause for a minute and talk about the name because it's the stupidest name ever because this is not Artificial intelligence in the the same way as like a Will Smith movie, right? It's not it's not that type of artificial intelligence Really what we're talking about is machine learning. We're talking about, you know, vast data collection and parsing instantaneously and search engines and stuff like that. It's basically the evolution of Google In their data collection monstrosity over the course of the last, you know, 30 years That's what we're saying for the base part Now people call it AI because it's the biggest catchphrase biggest hot word that you can slap AI on the front of your package And people will pay an extra 50% for it. You know, I mean, it's the it's essentially the new gaming thing Like you know how like you could make a shitty pair of headphones But calling a gaming headphone you could charge 60 bucks for the thing when it's really only work $10. That's exactly what's happening here Gaming chair or you know, cuz it's gonna make it's gonna make you game better, right? Some of the things they put gaming on if you just search gaming on Amazon some of the things they put gaming on is just like absolutely the most dumb thing you've ever seen your life And AI is exactly the same thing now. Everything has to be AI enhanced and some kind it's like that so Just me personally I hate the name I wish they would have called it something else But it's not the way they do it, but so Interesting thing is the just just to dive straight in the language models and and everything that we have now I mean within a few like in by a few years. I mean like a decade It'll be able to like Even if it's not what what is the proper term for artificial intelligence where it's actually Intelligent not just faking it. I mean, it'll be so good at faking Intelligence and art of like well artificial intelligence that it might as well be art. I mean, it's almost there now Especially if you look through it only seems it's so it's close to being intelligent now because people are so fucking stupid That they can't realize that it's not as smart as they think it is Well, they call it artificial intelligence for a very long time After all, what do you call these enemies that you're fighting in the video games? What what do you call their their models? They they always call it artificial artificial intelligence We call them NPCs, which is what we always have called no, but seriously the AI that runs it in the background Like your path like once you get pathfinding artificial vision Hearing all that stuff added You guys are right. They have called things that are not AI AI for a long time. That's true I just don't like that. They're calling this AI because it also It makes it seem Grander than I think it is but as you can tell from my tone of voice I don't particularly like AI. So I'm gonna be talking about this from a very Old man get off my lawn. Get me back my old shit, you know point of view So are you saying that my AI girlfriend is not real? She told me last night that she loved me we might we might not like AI But we would never say something so heinous. No, no, no hold on a second I will say something about heinous that you're gonna end up on dr. Phil the AI is gonna have stolen all of your money It's good now the catfish people don't even have to go out and catfish they'll just say hey chat GPT Go make this dude fall in love with me, you know, I mean those of us Those of us who have dated a long-term girlfriend. They they siphon off money like nothing well I mean any in any relationship Theoretically though you get some benefits out of like an a real girlfriend, right? You get benefits out of that Matt Matt Matt you have an iPhone, right? No, man. Oh, I thought you did no Okay, well, that's fine because I the link I just posted in chat is for you is for people with iPhones to get an AI girlfriend because obviously they need one That's it that's not that's not even funny. It's just sad Just makes me it makes me so sad for these people, right? First of all Those fake girlfriend things have been wrong for a very long time There's there's been there was a service a few years ago that would actually just send you random text messages Acting as if they were your girlfriend so that you could claim you had one show people the text messages Now it's just automated, you know Shut down recently we're just like that or they they they it was an AI that would actually sit there and send loot Share like new pictures that are found off of Google image search with you the thing but I mean There's so many different aspects in different directions We could go with this conversation, but you know seeing as how we're on the girlfriend part of it there there's so many Problems with mental health in not only this country, but around the world, right and people Who? Anyone who struggles with depression or anything like that, please Do not go read the reviews and ratings on the AI girlfriend The thing is is the type of person who is lonely enough to go out and try to get a fake girlfriend Um, obviously there's gonna be a certain portion of them just doing because it's hilarious, right? But I mean there's gonna be some people out there who are you know? Generally lonely enough to think that this is going to offer them some form of companionship even though they're probably At least at the beginning rational enough to know that it's not real but the problem is that I mean we see we see this with with the Catfishing scams all the time people get so invested in their digital relationships and You guys are right. AI is good enough at faking being human enough where people could get attached to that type of thing and You know what happens the first time someone forgets that it's real And then you know, maybe somebody like me because I'm a douche bag Points out that it's not real and then they go kill themselves or something, you know It is there's so much that there's so many different directions We could go with this conversation But my overall point about AI and I think this is where we can kind of start off a more broader, you know Conversation is isn't that the technology is bad. Isn't that the technology? Isn't something that we should focus on and try to develop and make better But that the human race as a whole just isn't ready for it Where's where's we've become a Society on the internet that has multiple different problems when it comes to mental health But also with the ability to tell that I mean even before this whole AI thing we had we as a whole have a hard time telling what's real and what's not real on the internet and Now we have a tool that Just takes all of the information and it's supposed to somehow Realize that something is real or not real on the internet by itself and then spit it out as if it's the most real thing ever in the most confident voice ever And because we also had we had the same problem before I where it was we couldn't tell what was true What was not we're gonna have the same problem with AI We don't know what's true and what's not it because it's said in such a confident voice a lot of people are going to believe everything that AI has to say and That's my argument against the eyes that we're just as a human species are not ready for it yet well, I agree with everything that you said now the only thing that I Slightly disagreed. I really think it's just how you ordered it I think it is inherently a bad technology if the the species making it is Literally cannot comprehend the ramifications of creating it like it's the same kind of thing with the internet Like the internet. Yeah, it was a great technology and it I mean like literally this wouldn't be possible without it Like there's a whole bunch of bad things that would happen if the internet just Disappeared and we went back to pre-internet. I mean it wouldn't be terrible, but it wouldn't be a good thing but also With the internet and it being developed the amount of social problems that the internet has either created flared up or at the same time just Just completely changed the way that we viewed a problem in a very negative way it is pretty massive and We're talking about a piece of technology that for one will like if you don't believe this I don't know what's literally wrong with you because YouTube is a prime example of this it will eventually definitely get to a point where none of the engineers Who actually help make these technologies can themselves explain to you how one language model works But that's that's my point like if you don't believe it you're stupid because we're already at the point with just you too Like not just not just AI YouTube's algorithms, they can't even explain to you how it works Just stop there for just a second Tyler that there was an example just an example of this already the Bing Version of chat GPT, whatever they call it The engineers behind I've already said that it has developed personalities that they did not code into it That that has already happened and like you know and then there of course There's the science fiction guys out there like oh no the machine's becoming sentient or it's becoming you know It's developing this I net dudes But that's not the scary part about the scary part is that it's doing things that the engineers didn't know that it could do and That's that's that's the this the scary part of I mean we can talk about the the technological implications of that later But the you're you're spot-on about the internet is know if Sorry for cutting off, but I don't even know if it's one of those things where you really need to worry about it Potentially doing something that you didn't expect already the things that it's capable of doing is not good AI has like a very big potential to in the next few years make part like Purchasing art or buying art from a real person Stupid because you can get you can get really nice high quality art in seconds Just what you want to decorate your house or whatever in seconds and also pay a fraction of the cost It's gonna it's gonna disrupt things like what we're doing here on YouTube If you think making a deep fake was difficult before if you use AI to improve the process a Deep fake that would have taken you weeks or months to make can be done in minutes Like the the social like not even on a technological front on the human social front AI is probably the biggest danger we're facing. Yeah, like the social ramifications of AI are Terrible and none of them are good and there are more than just there are more than There are so many that we can talk about now that we know about But because it's growing so fast because it's becoming so popular so fast The ramifications are things that we can't even foresee yet But I mean the the so on my other podcast one of the guys that I do a podcast with he's a professor he's an architecture professor at one of the big universities in Toronto and Even now he said it's impossible to assign homework Because you can't tell what's being handed in that the students actually done and what has been done by AI It's impossible to do and he said it's it's just been Spreading like wildfire and it's basically impossible now at university and I'm assuming probably in high school and later it to actually You know assign homework and then expect it to have been done by the student now personally I'm of the opinion that if You're so fucking stupid to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars To go to university and cheat by using AI to do your homework Then you just deserve to be done for the rest of your life. Congratulations. You win I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna make a fair argument here to that point if I spent a hundred thousand dollars and there was and And all I wanted was a degree so I could get a good job and there was a chance I was going to fail out for Whatever reason me parting too much me being too lazy whatever and there's a tool available I can use to not to make my hundred thousand dollars not go down the fucking drain I'm taking it like I don't care how retarded I am. I'm taking it That's true, but I mean come on Everybody knows that eventually people's stupidity catches up with them eventually They're gonna get that job that they were supposed to get to it You know, they're gonna get to the interview and they're gonna ask like let's just say you're a your engine You're a computer science major and all of your coding projects You did none of them you had all of them done by AI and you know You get into that first in interview and they're gonna say hey What programs have you done? Also, could you do one here for us? Just real quick show us an if statement or something, you know And you have no clue what an if statement is, you know, because you've never done any of your homework, you know, it's you know Eventually your dumb ass is gonna someone's gonna realize your dumb ass has been cheated through college You know, it's just it's just done. I don't know at the same time If you're going through anything any programming courses through college at anyway The the curriculum that college is probably teaching you in the case of programming specifically like safe You're looking to be like a low-level systems engineer like you're working on you're working in the hardware you're working for Intel and and Dealing writing the actual drivers for products that aren't even released yet But by the time you graduate University your your toolk It's gonna be completely out of date to begin with begin with and First of all when you go to college for computer science, which you're not going there to learn the languages You're going there to learn the concepts behind programming like so so learning what you know What a class is and all this stuff right and that's because when you learn a language in in a comp science course you're Learning the generalities of programming languages that spread across all programming languages right that and that's the whole purpose of Learning those things. Well, I can get a $10 book off of Amazon that explains all that to me, too It's called Charles. It's called code by Charles pretzel. Yes, but you good luck. I mean Okay, fine go to Microsoft and say hey, I don't need this degree. I read a book once though I'm sure I'm sure they'll hire you right. I mean, that's the whole purpose of But you know, I think I think that was Josh's point is like you're essentially just going to college for the paper Well, like that's always been the case because you can I mean especially since the internet you can you can go take as many Udemy courses As you want on whatever subjects you want but it doesn't count towards being able to towards experience that it's actually accredited and You know, that's that's just one of the areas the AI has been affected That was my point was just that there's so many areas the AI effects now Before I mean Tyler you and I have been very very negative on AI and I think I will continue to be negative on AI for a very long time But all of my is my turn to be positive about AI. We're gonna let Josh talk and then we're gonna beat the crap out of him because he's wrong Okay, okay. Have you guys have you guys ever had to like actually write transcripts before? Yes, it sucks, right? Yes. Yes. What if there's a piece of software that does that for you? Well, congratulations. You named the one good thing about AI now. Yeah now What what if say like you don't know a programming language or like you just don't want to deal with you Just don't want to write a YAML file for example I I understand that Matt you love working with the YAML files, but True, but you know, you're you're sitting there. You're working on your ansible configuration You know just getting it set up to install Gen 2 for you and everything make sure that's up to date Fully auditive properly formatted and all that. Are you gonna do that yourself? Well, you know, you can have Chad GPT do it for you Look Josh that you you are bringing up a good point AI is definitely useful on I'm not done yet I'm not done yet. What if say you're the dungeon master for your Dungeons and Dragons campaign and You have a weekly campaign that you that you forgot to prepare for so here It is game day and you don't even have a semblance of a story yet So what you do is you drop your world building document into Chad GPT and ask it Hey, make me a bad guy. Hold on a second. We're gonna. I'm gonna stop you right there. Okay Okay, so you guys may or may not know this about me, but I'm big into fan fiction Okay, so I signed up for Chad GPT a few weeks ago I was very resistant for because they want your fucking add your fucking phone number, but whatever. Yeah I was like here have everybody else has it anyways. What does it matter? So I signed up for and I was using I was like, yeah, this is kind of cool Because you know, I was like, you know, I've been wanting a replacement for iTunes on Linux There's not really one. So I was like, hey, can you write me a Python script that manages my iTunes or my? Movie library and it did it wasn't very good, but it wrote it Then because I'm some I'm into fan fiction. I was like, can you write me a story? I don't even remember what it was, but you were running a story with us preparing in the Harry Potter universe, whatever and it did. Oh My god, it was the worst thing I've ever read in my entire life It read like it was written by like a Like a 10 year old who entered puberty just a little bit too early But you know what you can do from there You can modify it make it better and not have to come and not have to completely write a whole new story No, I don't you're right. It is beneficial in You know personal life getting things done and stuff But you're also assuming that there are no social ramifications for that I mean jobs are built around transcribing artistry writing all of these things if this technology comes out that can do it for everyone super easy are The current way our entire society and most of the world operates pretty much all the world is null and void Like we have to completely come up with a whole new social structure Yeah, and I work and I work in manufacturing for a living and I've been dealing with and I've been dealing with robot robots Taking over my job for the past 40 years. So what you're what you're saying is What's goose for the what's good for the goose is good for the gander or something whatever for the frame? No, basically what I'm saying is that's already dark darn too late and at this point We're just gonna have to figure out how to deal with it Well, I mean that's probably true, but we still have to I mean you still have to when something new comes along You still have to talk about the ramifications outside of everything, right? But also there there is something to be said for stopping Like yeah, I mean, it's this it's the same thing about war People talk about war like I mean it can't stop. We've been doing it for forever No, we we definitely could stop, you know putting money in an entire industry behind killing each other We could do it. We just don't we just the same thing with AI like it's a scary technology It's very beneficial in a lot of ways. Yeah, also could completely disrupt and like Honestly, like no kidding if we're not fast with setting up a new system, which hello Welcome to government. It's never fast. It'll be way too. That's what happened with the internet back to your point Yeah, you're right Government is always going to behind it happened with the internet They're just I mean the internet has been around for 40 years plus, right? And they're just now getting to the point where they're making laws and stuff to regulate it and stuff Okay, like and it's like shutting the barn after the horses already been gone for three months, right? It's just it's way too long. It's way too late But I wanted to say this Fragile on the chest that I currently is a tool to help enhance those jobs and in theory. That's exactly what it should be If in in in the best-case scenario AI should be exactly that and when it was just like Copilot and GitHub or in VS code or whatever, you know, that was you know It seemed like a horrible idea because of the way it trained that on the data of open source projects and like whatever you can get Into you know copyright law or whatever and all that stuff But the idea behind being able to assist people with you know AI generated Basically autocomplete sounds like a good idea because it's an assistant, right? That's what you know, we've had these voice assistants for going on 15 years or whatever it is You know it been and that's basically been an AI in our pockets, right? You can go out and search for things that can order pizza and do those things That's what the dream of a automation tool, right? Right and and that's the dream behind AI, but the promise the problem isn't AI This was my argument at the beginning, right? My problem isn't that the technology is bad my tech my problem is that the technology I mean the technology don't get me wrong the technology has downsides You know the way it trains data the way it steals from artists and the way it steals from content creators and all this stuff Has problems the overall technology though. I don't think is bad I just don't think that the way that it's been it's being used is the way that in Fantasyland it should be used mainly because just let's just give an example. Let's just say, you know You've been to college you've gotten your your let's say you went to college 20 years ago and the the languages you were Studying in university, you know, you know, it was see it was C++ It was you know some of the older languages that are no longer used and stuff like that you but Things have been moving on and you haven't been keeping up So you wanted to get into rust or Lua or whatever these days and you know, so you get into Coding a project one of these things, but you never actually learn it So you just always let jet GPT do the work or the copilot do the work the thing is is that In order to have that situation be Feasible you have to have ultimate trust in the tool that's assisting you So it has to be perfect in order for that to happen because if you're building a bridge but you're not actually building a bridge you're having an AI build the bridge and The turns out that the AI doesn't really know how to build the bridge It's just pulling from multiple different sources on the internet how to build the bridge and it ends up being two feet short You know because it's pulling from fake Websites that don't know what to tell the talking about and all this stuff You have to have the trust in the source material in your project or whatever in order for that thing to be legitimate And if you've never actually learned how to fix the problems that have been introduced your into your project because of copilot Because all you've ever done is rely on AI You know then you're in your up shit Creek without a paddle, right? So the well at that point then you you don't learned and you realize that you did a pretty darn job of training yourself And there is probably going to be somebody else that's all that's pretty much knows what exactly what needs to be done well, I think I think I think talking about it being used as a tool is kind of irrelevant because it will never be you right It's it's too late. It's in a world where AI is just a tool You also have to like not have Capitalist capitalist businesses like publicly traded companies You can't you can't have that because any publicly company like any publicly traded company who realizes that they don't necessarily need to pay 5,000 salaries they could just pay chat GPT like $15,000 or whatever it is a year to have you know, they're their own model implemented for their specific use case. I Mean every company is going to do that Yes, so problem is is sure we could set up a system where like universal basic income We could come up with a whole bunch of different solutions to the problem However, those solutions will not be implemented until a large portion of people have died Like that that's the core issue like yeah, it's a pretty big problem Yep All right, so Let's skip over the death and destruction for just a minute It is the big issue, but we can come back to it But let me ask you this question because it relates to what you just said Tyler Would you got I guess just mostly Tyler because you're negative on this and Josh's big fanboy over there Would you guys and but feel free both to answer would you guys feel more? Okay, with AI if it was fully open source No No, I don't expand upon that answer just a little bit. Yeah, cuz By the time AI is at is as advanced as we all know it will be here in the next decade Having it be open source is like YouTube open sourcing the algorithm. They have some of the most highly trained That's not that's not why I didn't mean open sourcing it now, but I mean I should sorry I should have been more would you have been more okay with up AI overall if they'd been open source from the beginning I believe chat GPT's one and two were actually open source Well, they name there's there was they named their company open AI So somewhere along the line, they thought that they were going to be opening sourcing something But it but no, I don't Get up right now trying to see if I could find it, but I believe it actually used to be Tyler go ahead Yeah to answer your question though No I don't I don't think that affects anything cuz all of my arguments against AI have nothing to do with it being Propriet like no though none of the licensing as a base technology no matter how it's implemented It wouldn't be nearly like I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with AI if Any government out there was even semi fast to responding to any social problem. Yeah, sure at that point I don't care make it proprietary. I've never cared that much about proprietary I think it's better when things are open source But I also see a need for some things being proprietary or at least making an argument for something being proprietary Oh, thank you. I think I'm gonna just I think I'm gonna disagree with you just a little bit I agree with you on the government thing, but that's not anything we can ever solve It's just I you mentioned the whole event that the war thing we're Theoretically in the perfect world. Yes, we could stop a war But it's just it's never going to happen as long as there's oil, right? You know and other people have the oil. We want the oil. We're gonna go get the oil, you know, that's you know That doesn't you know when it's not oil. It's gonna be lithium Yeah We'll come up it used to be France, you know, we used to fight over France every fucking year Who the fuck wants France? No offense to anybody who's in front of France I'm just saying we used to fight over that fucking country the whole for thousands of years Britain literally the queen still or at least when she was alive still called herself the queen of France for a long time And right I don't actually think that was anything recent, but you guys get the point, right? Fight over everything so we're not going to solve the war problem we can't solve the government problem being late to technology because The the youngest person in congress is like 45. You know what I mean? Yeah, and The before before the old people come at me and to say matt you're being Agist, you know You can't deny that the old fuckers in congress aren't technologically You know advanced like literally if you don't believe that you've never seen congress Parliament or Like did you did you watch those people trying to talk about tick-tock? It was hilarious some of the things that they believe How does tick-tock make money? Dude, not not even the Facebook one they The most hilarious one that I saw most recently was the one where they did they were talking about cryptocurrency And and bitcoin coin and somebody had to get up there some brave fool from the the the fed had to get up there And try to explain what blockchain technology was. I was like dude just murder yourself now. It will be easier um and anyways the the What I was going to disagree with you about tyler if I can remember I don't even really remember Just is the if if ai was open source from the beginning like this is a pure fantasy land because obviously it's way too late You take out with that situation you take out at least a little bit of the corporate uh crack capitalist Incentive to make it as Grow fast as possible right because everybody's fork can fork like if google decided to get too Horrible with it at the beginning if it had been open source from the beginning, you know somebody else could come through and fork it and and do thing but I can also see the other argument like we've had that situation before where something was open source from the beginning And then just something that was proprietary that even probably started from the open source Then came over and took over the entire market right so I can I can see both situations happening here because when it comes to money These companies are going to make their money whether they whether whether we like it or not and whether anything's open source or not like Hell a good example of so i'm just going to prove myself wrong because I do that from time to time Android like android started as open source now It's mostly proprietary and google owns it right chromium another really good example started as open source now It's proprietary garbage and chrome is the thing right, you know So if even if it had started open source, what the hell am I talking about of course google and microsoft We're going to take it make it proprietary and horrible and try to make as much money as possible What the what the fuck was I thinking you're right tyler Well, but also it doesn't address the core problem with the technology the technology is still going to be made and Like the thing for me that it's kind of if it's not these companies coming out with things like Like chat gpt video game companies would come up with it first. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah The reason why guys gotta remember i'm an open source fanboy right the reason why open source is attractive Isn't necessarily because people can fork it and do all this other things with it The the the thing that's attractive about the open source nature of it is that that people can go in and audit the code And make sure that there's not you know thing, but that's only in theory because it doesn't really matter With a project that big like even if it was open source It would still almost be impossible for anybody even a large group of developers to go in and understand it because it's just It's it's yeah, it's become it's just too big It's like trying to understand like at this point windows is so big Microsoft doesn't understand how windows work like there's things in windows that they've forgotten exist, right? And they only you're old code in there. They're right. Oh shit Like and then they only notice it when that old code conflicts or something that they put in that's new, right? And that's that's the way windows has been functioning since the year 2000 and they changed to the nt kernel, you know so And that's just windows windows is Windows could theoretically be open sourced and people could actually get into it because I mean people obviously Linux is open source. It has 20 what 30 million lines of code now And people go spelunking into that thing all the time. So theoretically it could be open source. It doesn't mean that everybody Understands how every little piece of it works, right? Also, if you think about it, we already have an issue with auditing the a you are Yeah, and the complexity of auditing the a you are is nothing compared to even cheap chat gbt3 the gbt3 model. Yeah, so I don't know. There's a reason why our arch Linux does not officially support a you are packages And uh, they even tell you in the documentation before the a you are Read the package build Yeah And they explain in that same document how to index a package build file to verify that's what you want Which is something that's very rare to have three different three different mentions Of three different subjects and one document on arch Linux. Well, I mean they had to because I mean There have been so many examples over the course of the last few years Of people putting in like crypto miners and stuff like that into those in those packages. So And that's just the most recent example of crypto mining before that was, you know Linux malware and I mean that stuff still happens. But I mean, it was just you know one piece after another doesn't really matter The key mapping software and stuff In the past has it has been found in the a you are stuff. That's the reason why they tell you to be cautious about it But you're right guys And that's just this I mean in the grand scheme of thing the a you are so small And they can't even moderate that We can't moderate twitter. We can't moderate, you know, facebook worth a dam And we expect people to be able to go in and audit the code of something that has, you know 100 million a billion lines of code or whatever happens to be, you know, it's just it's just absolutely impossible. So even even open sourcing it despite my Love of open source. I don't think what would you know fix the problem But the problem it so let's just talk let's before we wrap up here Let's talk oops. Let's talk about Uh the future just a little bit because Whether we like it or not whether we like ai or not whether we're going to use ai or not ai is here to stay um and From the way it looks it's going to be the traditional two-man race It's going to come down to microsoft and it's going to come down to google Basically it's going to come down to microsoft versus somebody else We don't really know if it's actually going to be google yet because google's product is kind of uh shaky right now Well, I Google has a tradition of coming in late to everything and then building their stuff up to the point where it could eventually take over They did it with android. They did it with chrome come in chrome at the beginning was absolute garbage It was an open source project run by just a couple of people You know, well, how many companies are actually developing ai's right now because uh when Google came up with when google came up with android uh android was an independent project that google bought and uh Honestly, there was no other actual competition at the time because that's that's the thing is that We're in a situation now where there's a whole bunch of really little companies that are doing this ai stuff as well But I was really just about to say there's a company that literally all they do is they make an add-on for websites for accessibility And they've started developing and using their own So google and microsoft and apple have so much money that eventually we're going to see the same thing we've we saw In chip design, we're going to see the same thing we saw in you know, like modems and hardware technology And literally everything else the two the the big corporations are going to go up through and they're going to hoover up Every single one of these small companies until the point where it's just the the big five or whatever it is, right? Um And that's just it's just the way unfortunately. That's the way capitalism has proven to work over the course of the last You know ever Like like like for a very long time like It's been a very very long time since we've seen the company actually broken up because you know in the united states At least right it's been a very very long time since that's happened and and I think my prediction would be that Apple google microsoft get in on this ai stuff microsoft is obviously Full on there google shaky thing with barred apple who the knows what the fuck they're doing But they seem to be focusing more on ai in terms of a hardware perspective like on device ai I honestly do think that that apple is a better organized company than google is and as a result If apple actually comes out with an ai product is probably going to come out Miles ahead of what google has I mean, you guys if you guys have studied apple for any amount of time, you know that they're shit at software They're I mean they're they're very they're very good at Graphic design in terms of of of software But literally anything that has a social or internet aspect. They're not very good at so like you any of their social media network Attempts over the last year just hilariously laughable Of their ad network Makes billions of dollars not very good Siri for example is actually better than google's uh than uh, whatever google calls it I'm gonna so hard to disagree with that. It's so bad Um, I don't know where you get anywhere that is it's it's good Um, maybe I mean i'm also rolling back like four years to go back when voice assistants actually were good Yeah, well, that's what I was gonna say. Maybe it's changed the past few years But I got to be honest. I used to have an iphone. I tried using siri It was the worst thing i've ever tried. I got the google a voice assistant and like I mean Probably ran into three times where it didn't work Always working simple example. I know but if you you you tell Siri to skip a song Sometimes it can do it. It depends on what application you're using Most of the time it can't on google you tell it to skip a song it'll skip a song uh, one of my favorite things to do is When I can't have access to my phone for whatever reason it's and and the volume is too high You can tell google to lower the volume by a certain percentage and it will do it You know, that's really freaking cool. If you're playing a song and you just realize oh man It's three o'clock in the morning. I probably shouldn't have the music up this light But I can't reach my phone because it's you know, whatever on the charger or wherever Tell it to lower and it does it that's really cool, right? and We've meandered from the point but the point though the going back to ai it's just like Google has a History of Their initial products being really bad And the ones that they're really dedicated to they'll continue on with obviously they also have a reputation for Uh starting things and then cancelling them almost immediately. Obviously they do that a lot So it wouldn't surprise me The problem with Google is that ai is something that every company is going to be doing So they're not going to be giving up on it They're going to continue on until they get it right. I think And josh posted in chat. Yeah, I lost the debate. Um To be honest if we're going to be fair with each other here josh, I don't think you've talked you've been able to talk No, I was really passionate man. I'm sorry. I took all the time Just that's just eating up all the air here. He's like 70 percent of conversation Sorry guys Apologize. No, I'm actually mostly just watching the chat here and and uh, you know Just uh watching that watching them debate with each other. Uh good quality content by the way Don't listen to the audio if you just just come back pay attention to the podcast You just mute just mute just mute matt and just watch the chat Josh tell us some more good things about ai. I want to hear them Okay, okay more good things about ai. All right. Well, uh, wait, wait. Hold on that aren't just it helps you That aren't that it helps me. Oh or it actually does something for me in this way It does this for me like we all know ai like that's the Function of it. Okay. So we're good things from it okay, so uh as Matt and tyler know I have a few docker containers that that are interacting with chat gpt and and a few other ai services Uh, I have been using stable diffusion to draw art assets. Yeah, I am going to admit that They they are trained on you know, uh not exactly freely licensed things. So of course, I'm not posting them anywhere But you know, it's just like I'm messing around with like desktop wallpapers and stuff like that mostly Uh So I'm not necessarily like you using it to actually generate things. Uh, like I said earlier about the dungeon mastery thing I am I I have used uh chat gpt to you know, uh write Help help me out with like designing encounters for stuff And yes, I know I wasn't supposed to say I was supposed to help help me with anything Uh, but for like specifically at like work Uh, I work in plastic injection molding professionally And uh, of course chat gpt knows nothing about it But I've been slowly training it off off of my my own knowledge set on how to melt plastic That and squared it into a steel sandwich of a mold And uh, it it's almost at a competent level of where it can almost program and press for me But you know, there's still some gotchas to it. That's basically just like any other kind of person Uh, that said it can't really do anything in the form of troubleshooting because of course chat gpt doesn't have eyeballs no But you know, it I have been using it to uh help help me calculate like uh material weights and stuff like that and uh, I've I have been Using it as basically a glorified calculator and figuring out how how much product I need to produce before I make x amount of money and stuff like that because I have a partial ownership Stake in this company too. So the more the more stuff I produce the more money I make And uh, I've also been using it to generate more accurate time statements I myself can generate for like how long I have to run the machine before I've reached the amount of product that's on the order And uh, it it is far more accurate in that than me calculating it on my own calculator But uh, I also kind of loaded that question by saying don't just say it helps you with something because that's pretty much the only function of AI So I yeah It is the only function of AI right now And honestly at at the scope that it is that's where it is Uh, we have not reached the point of general intelligence and AI yet that we're you know It's basically coming up with its own thoughts well Bing chat can give you the impression that's doing that It can give you it But it's not completely there yet Yeah, we'll never know if we actually do reach general AI Like we actually won't know because as AI improves um, it It's already good at convincing you that it is sentient I'm going to say if all these companies with all these different AI products decided they were going to work together to make just one AI We could probably achieve general intelligence well like kind of the one of the big problems like um Like philosophically with AI That like no one addresses is essentially we are trying to create God Like I mean if you think about it like yes, it's going to help us like with daily life in these areas But the whole end goal of AI is where you like it gives you any piece of information that you need It does whatever you need for it to and it orients your entire life like you want to talk about playing god Can I bring up gene splicing? Well, I mean with AI That's being enhanced quite a bit. I've been hearing about I mean it has been being quite enhanced But we were doing it well before anybody thought thought to implement AI you know But I mean like the thing with gene the thing with gene splicing though Is that there's a good portion of the people who have religious, you know qualms about it and actually fight against it There's very few people that are actually out there saying hey AI is really bad. We should probably not do it, you know um Even the ones that have come on like an open letter and said that that you know, we should not do this All have financial stake in actually doing it Um like Elon Musk said oh, we should probably shouldn't go so fast on AI But he also owns like a third of open AI or whatever it is. So well Okay, like to me To me, I kind of understand that like that's just like someone who is like Against war but is also invested in the company. Tony stark either sells weapons to war or whatever Like sure you could want something to stop But if people aren't going to stop and there's money to be made and you're a businessman Yeah, like make sense um How I mean, obviously there could be some moral qualms personally there depending on the person but At definitely a level of hypocrisy, but it's still I I get the mentality for doing it to me like that the Bad part of having it where People who know how dangerous this is Are are still make like that's what worries me about like us as a species We seem to not be able to stop doing anything that we start doing Like if we start doing something we can't stop like ever And AI is going to be one of those technologies that doesn't stop It's going to keep getting better and eventually it's going to get to a point where Especially if we hit general intelligence like There's going to be and in like there might be different personalities But like I mean your kids are going to grow up in a room where they talk to an ethereal person like I mean the the the thing about AI that is kind of scary is like you can definitely like this will Definitely be made into movies in the near future But you can I mean there's already been one movie where a dude falls in love with AI, you know, like all that stuff Can't remember the name of it But was it her? Yeah, yeah her yeah But like there will there will be a point where like The idea of believing like being religious or believing in God will become like not only not Not unnormal But like most people will do it because I mean like the idea that you talk to someone who's not really there Sounds insane now But when you have an AI in your home and you've grown up like since the age of three With with an ethereal voice talking to you like Not so difficult also something that's far more intelligent than you like by magnitudes like There's a whole bunch of like philosophical problems that come out of AI Social issues like it's probably just like no one's kidding when they say this is probably the most dangerous technology We're trying to create right now like Probably worse than nukes probably I mean I could say the same thing about facebook and twitter too And I wouldn't think you're wrong. Yeah, and I think I think we all agree that facebook We already see the effects of an entire generation that grew up with those services and uh, honestly Uh AI is basically just the next step from that now are we going to come out worse as a society? Well, at least you can talk with the AI and not and you know You can close that conversation but not worry about the coming back to 30 plus notifications of death threats to you Well, but see the thing is is like like Look, yeah, yeah, you could have a great like yes, it could be super beneficial. The internet is the same way Yeah, you can have a lot of benefits from if you're a lonely person Disabled not able to go out and like talk to a whole bunch of people You know easily the internet is a fantastic thing it can help out with loneliness depression and everything However at the same time you probably shouldn't be using it to help with the loneliness Yeah, it can cause all of those things as well and on top of it most people have become Essentially addicts to the internet, especially with the invention of short form content Like we've created especially young children Like if you've ever seen someone like a young kid like eight or nine using tiktok they Absolutely treat it like a fucking cocaine addiction. It's the same thing to them Like you take it away from them. They go wild have complete emotional problems And you give it to them and they're it's like doing lines. It's well, I mean you're drawing the lines with the same thing like Like the whole the whole aspect of the internet is also it also comes with some pretty big negatives Uh that are socially not good And we're we're taking a step forward And knowingly worsening those social issues Well, I don't understand I don't think that the problem is that the technology We've already talked about this with the technology. The problem isn't that the technology exists the problem is that as a species people don't have the capability generally to process What the technology does to them? so it's like um Doing anything that's bad for you, but feels good, right? Like tiktok is a good example, right? It's just it's it's You know, you do something over and over again because it feels good. It it gives you Some kind of pleasure or whatever, but it's not actually good. It's it doesn't it doesn't even have to be Absolutely horrible for you like tiktok. Tiktok isn't generally like an evil thing It's just overuse of anything can be bad, right? And the thing is it Affects you in ways that you're not capable of thinking about and recognizing what's happening, right? And that's just No, I'm I'm probably just playing like like um word games here, but Wouldn't anything that is inherently bad for you be bad? well But what what defines inherently bad for you, right? I mean, obviously there's the obviously there are some Just you in any way. It's bad Okay, so If you can do a car you have the you have the potential to crash it into a tree Therefore you should never drive Um because because it has a the potential to be bad for you like I use tiktok all the time It doesn't mean that i'm addicted to it, right? I use it for two minutes a day. I'm fine, you know I I would say yes cars are very convenient and good, but they are also not good for you Right, they make you lazy like right like there's a whole bunch of hired people At my job because people would sit there and in between, you know, press cycles fire up their phone and watch watch tiktok videos Well, I mean That's kind of my point is that anything good used to access is bad But that doesn't mean that doesn't make the thing itself Bad, it just means that people don't have the willpower or Uh capability mentally to realize what they're doing is bad. It doesn't make the tool bad Um, but I mean there I'll be there. No, hold on a second Well, man, I could also I could also say that beer is one of the healthiest drinks that you can possibly drink Surprisingly, it doesn't okay So just because my argument is also true doesn't mean that there aren't also things out there That are just bad for you like there are no beneficial Uses anymore at least of cocaine, right everything that you could do with cocaine at least Nowadays, uh, is bad for you. Um, and well, we realized that I was gonna be the exact thing that I used because you are right just because something can hurt you doesn't mean it's bad but something that is either designed or just inherently Extremely difficult to use Prop like that's the reason we don't use cocaine anymore. It's not because there's not medical uses for it Or it can be used good It's it also has a extremely high likelihood of getting you addicted and you being Incapable of using it properly So we don't use it and that's kind of the same thing with the technology with like Short form content on social media and ai we you can't like you can't not like you can't use it responsibly Like if someone gives you like the problem you can you can use it responsibly You just have to be self-aware enough to do so Well, then why don't we let everyone do cocaine because I mean you can because because because there's The benefits of cocaine just straight up. Okay. First of all, obviously no personal experience here, but Just want to put that put that out, but when cocaine was used it was used in other things to Be medicinal, right? It wasn't just say here Have some cocaine. That's not the way it was used. It was used. It was also prescribed by I mean, obviously we'd call them, you know hacks today, but at the time they were medical doctors and they were prescribed but but I mean it was also used in in um like Commercial aspects and stuff too and in commercial products, but eventually they realized that it was bad and there was no Real benefit towards using it, right? Hold on. Hold on. You say they realized it was bad. Why did they realize it was bad? Because people actually got addicted to it and there was no way of Have the addiction every and that's my that's my point You can use tiktok without getting addicted you Show me also cocaine without getting addicted. Show me one example where that's true Uh, I've got a buddy. I can he just uses cocaine just you know once a year and like oh, that's good My cousin, uh, he's done cocaine like off and on like throughout college like once and twice here there like maybe a handful of times I mean, I I don't I'd say it's probably the exceptions that prove the rule of ask me Majority of people who actually ever use cocaine probably eventually got addicted to it But that's that that is my point mo like yes, there are oddities where you first the whole I say first of all this conversation is Absolutely the best conversation we've ever had I have smoked cigarettes before Uh, that said was I ever actually addicted to the cigarettes? Well, I could probably I could survive multiple days at a time without you know consuming a cigarette And was I ever actually addicted to him? No Actual benefit nicotine is bad because it is addictive and all of these technologies that we're talking about are also bad because Guys guys guys guys That said nicotine causes cancer. We know this now We already know this okay, but nicotine Has no positive this days does actually have medical uses and it and it is prescribed at times. Yes Keyword there prescribed, okay Something that is mostly are you saying that we need to per are you saying that we need to use What I'm what I'm saying what I'm saying It is that when something is absolutely inherently has Bad intentions bad consequences if you do it and there might be something Randomly positive if you do use it based on some Obscure medical You know thing that I don't understand It's prescribed by someone who understands someone outside of your control who understands that thing, right? We're talking about tiktok. Okay. It doesn't have addictive qualities sure but you've moved past the things where it's actually physically harmful to something that affects you mentally, right and But it's still no no no no no no hold on a second when it becomes something like that it has to be about personal responsibility because guys The the blame me Okay, so I'm not saying that the intentions behind tiktok were pure or that they don't steal all the data That they're not, you know a shelf for the chinese communist party whatever There's a lot of arguments against tiktok, but one of one of them cannot be That it was inherently meant to be evil Uh and affect, you know people negatively all the time. Okay, because if it was meant to affect them negatively all the time I Don't know No, actually hold on. I'll go ahead and tell you it was literally designed to be bad for you Um, it's designed to make sure that you are more likely to continue literally Everything on the internet is like that Yes, but hold on it was designed by gambling companies. It's engineered exactly like gambling and I don't think anyone in this live stream Especially those who have children are gonna say that yeah, I'd let my kid go off to gamble at eight or nine years old First of all, it's bad because it is addictive. It is personal responsibility is a thing also People fucking parents your children. What is your nine-year-old doing with it with a with a phone with it with unlimited So would you say that uh, because personal agency is the biggest part that we should just legalize all drugs No, everyone should have the personal agency to either not use them or choose. No because there's obviously extremes to both sides of the argument Okay, but exact it could because they they have a potential to be extremely negatively impactful on If you notice we've devolved away from we've devolved so far from the eye But I had we have to have this conversation because because I'm to be fair everything negative We say about tiktok will also apply to all the other social media platforms like ringo and chat has said And honestly all the all the good things about tiktok can also be applied to all It's this is not it's it's not a tiktok thing Specifically we all know we're just using tiktok because it's currently currently news and that's what they're trying to Right right the thing and the thing is it is that anything on the internet that that you Use has the potential to be Addictive right for example my mom was addicted to yahoo answers Stupidest thing ever there was a point in time where I was addicted to yahoo answers too because you know Some of the answers were just that good and reliable She was really good at answering the questions and she thought if she didn't answer the questions that nobody else was going to right Anything that said reddit is still my source of truth for product reviews Okay, people are addicted to reddit people are are addicted to any number of things on the internet And yes addiction is bad and some people are more prone to it than others and obviously products that Take advantage of those people and specifically children are bad, but at a certain point It has to it has to go both ways. Okay. Yes fine Uh Say tiktok is addictive and that's a bad thing Come up with a whatever really weird solution you want to to fix that whether that's banning Or telling them that they have to open source the algorithm or whatever that that solution is But there has to be equal part on the other side Where we just let everybody do whatever they want to do and have no personal responsibility over the things that they That they do in their lives and blame everything on the things the tools that they use Um, you know, I completely agree with you. There needs to be a bit of both um or equal equally both but the the How we got down this rabbit hole was You were saying that stuff like drugs like cocaine and stuff are inherently bad While tiktok or ai Whatever social media is not inherent like it's not the same thing But the the drugs that we have that are either prescribed heavily restricted or just outright illegal Are typically not always but typically they're purposely designed In a way that makes them more likely To have negative impacts on people Uh, normally quite a bit especially if we're going to stick with the cocaine or heroin Like aspect of the conversation like yeah, those are those have pretty negative side effects on people And I mean if you don't think that social media is exactly the same thing Go out and to a to a small kids birthday party like six to 12 years old I'm just gonna randomly show up at a little kids birthday party. That's good. I'm in this example. I'm hoping they're family But sure yeah, go out to a random birthday party as you weren't invited to it'll be great. Hey, what's up guys? And I'm telling you those kids Like I I've I've seen it We all have seen it everyone's seen it and if you haven't seen it you need to go outside and touch some grass and go see some people Um kids nowadays aren't playing with each other. They're just sitting next to each other on devices Look, I like sitting in front of a computer. I don't think that's inherently a bad thing But it is changing it's changing not just like What kids are interested in it's it's changing their behavior the way they interact with each other And most of the time in a negative way I still honestly think that pokemon go is one of the best things that came out in the past 10 years for for kids I won't really disagree with you there. That one because it did it did encourage them to get out Get out and roam around though I can't believe I'm probably on the side of actually defending ai and tiktok Which is just a weird fucking place to be but And tyler you were right that is a situation that is absolutely happening It's it's it's horrible and obviously needs to stop but Maybe it's just because I'm of the older generation. Okay Which is again a weird place for me to say being you know closer to 40 than 30 but Parents have to have responsibility for what has For that situation right someone hold on hold on. Excuse me. You're going down a route that we're We're not even discussing. We're talking about just Is it bad like ai? Okay, okay, so let's just let's just no no let's just say fine. I will agree with you tiktok facebook all of it horrible for people Okay, that's that's 100 true. Okay If that is true if we take that that to be 100 fact then why would a parent who's supposed to be you know A fucking parent give the kids access to it. You wouldn't say hey Nine-year-old kid here have some heroin. It's perfectly fine. They used to to give it back as medicine back in the good old days You know, you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't give them access to that thing because it is bad. Okay So if what you're saying is true Which you know In in some portion it is true sure Why would then you give the kids who don't have the Mental capabilities to realize that it's bad the tools to actually access it and and before Anyone says well, they'll we'll get they'll get on to it eventually anyways or they'll they'll find some way around the restrictions that parents place on Bullshit, okay kids do not have jobs. They cannot go out to AT&T and buy themselves a thousand dollar iphone unless someone gives them the money Okay, so that's the idea that they're going to go over to their friend's house. Yeah, yeah Obviously obviously the you know The problem the whole fucking point is moot because it's way too fucking late for all of it, right? There's there's no solution That it is 100 gonna be 100 full-proof way to get you know kids off from these services to get kids from being Affected by AI none of the things that are you know But there are things that you can use to mitigate those type and god dammit. How do we get in this conversation? I like it. No. Yeah. Yeah, there are definitely things you could do to mitigate it. You just okay, so If I were to have you know kids, right? I'm a big technologist, you know, I have computers all there's six computers in this room You know, uh, there's another four of them out in the the living room all of them Used on a daily basis by various members of my family, right? If I were to have kids They would not have access to any of those computers until they turned like 10 years old And then it would be fully 100 percent monitored, right? And I'm talking full on parental controls. You're not using that computer unless I'm in the room with you Okay And then once once that kid has been taught To critically think once that kid has been taught to realize that there are dangers on the internet not only just You know Malware and viruses and stuff not just like technology threats, but you know predators and scam artists and all this stuff Once they have reached the point where they have that knowledge to be able to critically think themselves away from a potential danger Then they can start having more and monitored access to it Then they can start getting on to social media and stuff where they can start actually thinking About the things that are going on And be able to have them the developed mind in order to actually You know Participate online in in a fashion But the thing is and I'm saying this that this that's what I would do But the thing is is it's just entirely too fucking late. It's like I go to You know, um, you know, I I go out about in the other day I Saw a kid he had to have been up four years old Had an iphone Like I don't know. I I have no clue whether or not it was his iphone or the parent's iphone I'm gonna hope the fucking god. It was the parent's iphone But the kid was just in there playing with it and I you know, I just caught a glance What was what was on the screen and it was a you know, it was a Like a youtube video of some kind But the so I'm assuming the kid parents gave it to the kid to give them You know like keep them from yelling and screaming or whatever But yeah four years old guys, it's just it's Too freaking young also parents spank your kids. Okay, just discipline them, please. All right. Anyways guys, we And also I think a big thing that needs to be brought up is that's Parenting children is going to get extremely like extremely difficult And also I'll say this like you said like, you know, let the kids start using the computer at 10 or whatever Like to me like I think not letting your children use as someone who grew up using technology from a young child Very interested in it very like it and everything I wish I wouldn't have been able to use it until I was 14 15 16 because Like I even at that point I was saying Like if you just let me out wild free on the internet Not only was I dumb But also vocal the amount of dumb shit I said the amount of stuff that especially in this day and age you could get a serious trouble for Like have your entire life ruined like Having kids on the internet is not a good thing Especially letting them post it's so much easier for someone my age I was 22 years old when the iphone came out Okay, so it is much easier for someone my age and older to say Don't give the kids You know technology, but you it's literally impossible these days because even if the parent makes the decision like um Even makes the decision not to give them an iphone not to give them access free access to the internet Not to give them access to a computer or whatever this or whatever Harvard strict you want to be you go into an elementary school or a middle school or whatever What's the first thing they do the hand you a chrome book right here you go You know, I mean so so yeah, I was I was actually about to say that it's just like I have a niece She she started kindergarten this year This school year and she was given not only a a chrome book But she was actually required by the school to have a cell phone Of which the only cell phones up that carriers in my area sell our smartphones In kindergarten. Yes What could possibly be the purpose all right? all right, well actually someone in chat said, uh There is a problem in some states where it's considered abuse to not give them elect Yeah, it's considered child abandonment, which is so all right fine We have those really stupid like bug phones or whatever that are literally just make phone calls. There you go But even then like that's like the state requiring you to give your child a bike on their eighth birthday or else Right. All young kids must have ponies. I'm just saying they must have the ponies Okay, guys, we have to we First of all fantastic conversation. Even if I didn't monopolize the whole thing. I and I tried to jump back. I still I'm just very Urgh, I was not nearly as animated as you today and I do apologize about that Whenever I get into the whole, you know, very passionate about a topic you just got to push in you just got to push in um You got to be jerry springer out jump right into the conversation. Um anyways before before we end this We should actually talk about our our thingies of the week or as as uh, josh has called them. What did you call them? um Let's see here. So uh to preface this here, uh, tyler was up way too late last night streaming And uh, it it wasn't until somebody mentioned the time where you where you realized that hey, it's six in the morning I got a podcast in less than in less than eight after nine hours Everyone in here better respect the hella josh because I asked I gave him my phone number and told him to call and wake me up Yeah, he only 39 times he is the man like he got me 39 times Hold on there's a lot to this here tyler because uh, you I don't know if you looked at your discord notifications Because I did tell multiple discord communities to to start pinging you too I pulled out I pulled out the army to make sure that you were here today But uh, I woke up to I literally had a heart attack with how many notifications I had because I I silenced my phone. I even said your priority voicemails I really silenced my phone. His voicemail in the butt is so full I was laying in bed and I was like I couldn't go back to sleep because I'm like, dude, who would Who would constantly? Yeah, uh, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the lead on the first pick here But anyways, uh, I I decided to in our show document to rename our picks of the week or thingies of the week To uh, things to wake up tyler of the week As uh, my as my pick of the week is a literal alarm clock It is called k clock It is a kde project intended primarily for kde mobile But it is available as a flat pack in its package for your x86 system so you can start on your computer Well, and and hold on there's more to this There is a windows port two for you tyler Perfect. Okay. Well, see here's what I was gonna say In hindsight next time what I'm gonna do is instead of setting the alarm on my phone I've got a speaker system here. It's like an 80 watt speaker system I'm gonna turn it up to full blast and set the alarm on my computer that way there is No chance. I don't wake up that shit will scare me so bad It's not gonna matter if he wants to sleep through it. He's gonna sleep through it No, what what what he needs to do is do what I did and just wire up a whole house audio system that way, you know It can and uh, you know, I connected to like your your kodi system on multiple on multiple uh audio channels That way, you know, you can get random sounds playing random parts of the house to wake you up I have a family that is one way to guarantee I get up Yeah, I have a warm set and it starts going out throughout the house do my mom will kick open this door Kick your fucking ass up all the house is going wild Get off Okay, uh tyler you have a thingy of the week for us this week Yes, I didn't put it in the show notes because you know a little late waking up But um, uh, my thingy of the week is Blender, uh, there's an add-on for it. I don't know if I've talked about on the podcast before But I've definitely used it in the past and it's pretty nice. It's called dream textures It's a plug-in that adds AI into it. Um, and it's a pretty Oddly useful piece of AI. Um, it's like it's not exceptionally useful especially with how many Well open source or free assets or in textures there are out there um entire libraries But it generates seamless textures and I I believe it can do normal. Uh, I know it can do the base albedo map Uh, normal maps height maps stuff like that. So it's pretty useful. It's really nice. I've been using it lately Well, I take that back. I haven't been using it lately. I installed it played around with it for 10 minutes and then haven't touched it since It is really fun. Well, um, if there's one application that will is it's guaranteed to have me looking like an idiot is blender I I open and my IQ goes like splits in half Um, I had one guy, uh message me on discord after live streaming doing the animation and he was like I'm really interested in learning this but I also do have to say there is I I loaded up the stream. I saw your your blender because I I'm doing animation So I have like a curves graph key like, you know, uh keyframes Um, I've got the viewport where I can see what the camera would see and then I'm doing actual like blender viewport modeling And there's a timeline at the bottom. There's so much shit going on He's like I I've never been more intimidated at a UI in my entire life. Yeah It's an awful lot. It's like the very first time you ever look at gimp Yeah, oh no blender's way worse. No, I'm not saying You just give for a little bit But you know like if you've never looked at blender or gimp in the very first time that you ever load of gimp and you see all those Buttons everywhere. Yeah. Um, okay. So mine is going to be very nerdy But if you have a butterfest system and you are using snapper to create snapshots automatically There is a gooey tool for snapper. It's called snapper gooey It's an a u r. I'm not sure if it's in community or not, but it's definitely a u r And it's only an a u r right now. Okay. Um, it's actually pretty good It's not as intuitive as like something like timeshift So if you're more familiar with timeshifting you may want to stick with timeshift But if you're more familiar with gooey's and you're interested in using snapper You can use snapper gooey now. I will say that it doesn't do a good job of setting it up Like I don't think it sets it up at all It's just a tool for after you have everything set up so you can manage your snapshots and stuff So, uh, it's not going to get you to the process of actually having snapper set up That's going to be something you have to hop into the terminal to actually do Um, and honestly the whole process of setting up snapper was not hard It's just a matter of making sure you have all the dependencies because there's two different ones of snap Of snap pack that you that's what it's called snap pack, right josh Uh, so snap pack rub is the one that I recommended you you have to have both of them installed I found that out the hard way Um, so you do have to so you have to have the regular and the one with grub If you want grub to actually update otherwise you have to manually reconfigure your grub uh grub config every single time you do a A snapshot so um anyways Snapper gooey really good tool if you have snapper set up And I highly recommend if you're using butterfests to actually use the snapshotting system For a very long time there. I had butterfests and never actually used the snapshots And then I got into it. It's actually really really useful Especially when you when you're doing something like hourly snapshots of your home directory and you're sitting there You're working up. You're working on a project and then you just accidentally delete a file Dude, I gotta be honest. You accidentally arm something. Yeah My rule like an hour is really good But like my rule is if you're using butterfs and you're not taking snapshots at least every six hours You fucked up like for me it's always straight at six hours. I have the time. It's the best I have the timeline set at one hour. So um, I also have like now like 75 snapshots because for whatever reason my My rule for deleting the snapshots after it hit a certain threshold didn't take I don't know if I didn't save the file or whatever. So I gotta check that out. Anyways anyways Matt to further expand if you need something that's a bit more calm That gives you a lot more gooey tools compared to a snapper gooey Butterfs assistant It it can actually handle it can do all the things that the snapper gooey can do plus more you can also have it set It's a gooey application that you can use for like scrubbing your butter butterfs file system Which on a single disk system, you're probably not doing very very often anyway But like if you're managing anything like a like a raid stack on your On your system, it's a really useful tool to have Hmm You that tried because I remember someone trying to tell me about that program and like tell me I should go check it out Was that you? Steve mentioned it before. Okay. I I couldn't remember who told me about it All right. So that is it for the linux cast guys. This was one hell of a conversation We um, we don't get into topics like this very often where we actually I mean usually we're pretty much in lockstep on in terms of stuff But you know, it was very confrontational today and uh, yeah, it was pretty good. So that is Kind of confrontational. Yeah. Well, I don't want I don't want to I mean, we're also friends So we managed to make it through the We we made it I think we should do the same thing next month at the very end of the month for last for last episode Hold on. I think we should do these kind of streams More often once a month would be good like where we just Like it we just pick out a topic and we just bullshit talk go down rabbit holes, you know, I I can agree with that. I think it was very good. Also, steve. He missed a good one bud I hope the wedding was worth it. I mean I'm just saying this was much more important. Anyways, that's it for this episode of the linux cast We record this live every saturday around three o'clock p.m. Eastern time We usually go for about an hour and a half today We're um closer to two hours, which is not surprising given the fact We spent 40 minutes at the beginning talking about arch So what are you going to do? Anyways, uh before I go I should take a moment to thank all my patrons So thanks to everybody who does support me at patreon.com slash linux cast if you'd like to head on over there Um, a whole bunch of perks. Anyways, thanks to everybody who does support me on patreon You guys are all absolutely amazing. You guys are like I said, just Such good, um truly appreciate every all the support So, uh, we'll see you next week again every saturday three o'clock p.m. Eastern time There are timestamps in the in the you know thing magic below eventually. So, uh, we'll see you next week