 Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me? I guess I can't ask the online participants, but I see there are about 20 people online as well. You can send a chat message if there's a problem with the audio. Okay, so we have a session to give you guys a little bit of an update. And I guess for those that are, for this is new, then it's a little bit of a background as well on a new organizational structure to organize and coordinate the DHS2 country support work through the HIST network, something we call the HIST pubs. I have the three coordinators, each of the three is per behavior with me, coffee, soda, banjoan, and they will speak for most of the session. I'll just do two quick slides from the University of Oslo side kind of coordinating some of this work. We can wait for you guys. I think this will be okay. Thanks for joining us. I mean, if you want to go to the AI session, we reschedule that auditorium one. Sorry, John. I think the problem is that the mobile agenda app doesn't refresh unless you force it to refresh, but the web person should say auditorium one. Okay, so quick, quick background kind of what is the HIST network. It's a very important, the regional HIST groups are very important part of the overall HIST work and kind of the strategy to support countries with the DHS2 and build capacity. We can see it from the University of Oslo side coordinating HIST network. We see it as critical to have expert groups available in the region and in country to support governments to build capacity and support kind of sustainable information systems. An important part of the HIST groups is that they are there to stay. They work long term with the government's Ministry of Health and Education. They are project based. They are there to stay. And for us in terms of developing the DHS platform, innovating on the platform, it's also important to have technical experts close to the users in the field that can come with new requirements, test out new innovations, and also report back to the global software developers that we are coordinating from University of Oslo. And the HIST groups are an important part of that process. And as we know it's very difficult to solve problems remotely. Developing software, you need to be close to the user to the user context, and having HIST groups all around the world in the countries where the DHS2 is used helps to solve problems locally and then to be able to share that back to the developers but also share it with the other groups and other countries. And the HIST groups are kind of a glue in that network community of sharing innovations across countries and across regions. The HIST groups are now also over time been kind of endorsed and supported by many global investors that invest in the DHS2 platform, that invest in DHS2 country support, and it's going to be formalized as a support network for Ministry of Health. And in order to kind of make sure that we collaborate well, that we agree on kind of core principles and approach all the HIST groups and University of Oslo sign an MOU, where we kind of sign to and commit to core principles and how we support countries, making sure that we build capacity within the governments, we go for integrated systems, use open source software, and promote sustainable systems and are not kind of building the penses on consultants or that kind of kind of consultancy model. Yeah, all this available on our website and there's a link here when you get a slide deck, so you can read the kind of full set of those shared values and principles that all his groups are there to. So they're now 21 groups. It keeps growing. We have, we had a new group in Zimbabwe last year that two new groups this year, Mali and DRC, and there are a few more in the making. So you see all the groups listed here on the right. They're also listed on the DHS2.org website and there's more information on the kind of his network model on that website. I think what's common among many of these groups is that they have key members in those groups and sometimes the leader that has been through the kind of PhD program that we run from the his center at the University of Oslo. And many of these groups have MOUs or even based at local universities so that's strong link to long term capacity building that we also talked about in the plenary session with several countries yesterday morning. Okay, so to the today's focus on the regional his pubs. So there are a lot of his groups. There are a lot of countries of course using DHS2 now more than 70 Ministers of Health use it for the kind of national HMS platform. So there's a lot of country support to coordinate. And together with Global Fund, we agree to try to decentralize this coordination down to the three regions. Southern Eastern Africa, Western Central Africa and Asia. So that's the kind of the concept behind the three his pubs. And the initial scope was to help coordinate the TA that Global Fund is providing in this current three years funding cycle. So, as I said that the his pubs and the legal entities that are then contracted and coordinating that work are his Buganda for the East and Southern Africa. It's his WCA for Western and Central Africa and it's his India coordinating the Asia and doing the official contracting with Global Fund. The management and coordination is done in partnership with all the groups in the region through a steering committee process. And on the right you see some of the key activities and John coffee and so I will talk about this in a second. But it's about as I said, first of all coordinating and implementing the Global Fund from the TA on DHS2 country support. They also coordinate and run the regional DHS2 Academy program. And they facilitate and build activities across his groups in the region on internal capacity building and collaborating on kind of sharing innovations across the region. And this is not only designed for Global Fund, it's also a model that can be built on. There are already some examples in Asia with UNFPA. I think having a strong legal entity that can take on regional global contracts for country support and help coordinate that is something that can be leveraged by many, many details donors. Yeah, so I think I'll stop there and then over to that. You start coffee. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, just to recap a little bit, how we manage TAs across the hub. We have started with a non-demand way of functioning, but we decided that it was not the most efficient way to conduct our TA. We decided to conduct a kind of comprehensive assessment of the system of DHS2 implementation in countries that we are supporting. So we conduct that maturity profile. And this is guiding now 85% or more of our TAs that we are conducting this maturity profile helps us understand what is ongoing the country regarding the foundational aspect regarding the aggregate data and regarding individual data. The challenges regarding governance, regarding capacity building, and so on. So from these understanding, we have designed a couple of TAs that have been currently financed to the Global Fund, but also to NORAD, to GAVI, and other partners. Once we have identified those TAs, they have to be approved with the country and then with the donor, and we can implement it at stage three. And once it is implemented, we have an internal and a joint quality assurance process which help us. First, the client that has been benefiting from the TA, the MOH will assess and say, I'm satisfied with the work or not. And if they are not satisfied, then we have to go back and then complete the work in a satisfactory manner. And then we have another layer of satisfaction, which is about the hub and the hub will conduct quality assurance review to make sure that the standards that are out there in the hub has been respected during the TA conduction. So this is the process through which we manage our TAs and everybody is welcome to join so that we can continue that good process and lesson learned from this process. So this is a quick overview on the maturity assessment, as I was saying, you can see that figure, which is the main output after we have conducted maturity assessment, you can see the three domains from the bottom to the top. You have the foundational level, and then the aggregate data and the track data. And then you need to kind of assess each of those components, and then you can come up with a kind of a figure. What is in red is not achieved, it's at early phases. And then what is at early progress is in orange, what is adequate, we need some more adjustment is adequate and then what is mature, you don't need anything there. What is in green. So with this just figure you can have a broad idea of what is happening in the country regarding DHS too. So we have done this in more than 30 countries now, and then we continue to do it in some more countries. What are the main strength that we have found across all those countries. We have strong aggregate data in most of these countries. And this is something we need to appreciate what I was saying that it was more than 70, we have counted it is more than 170 countries now. Strong aggregate data and a huge appetite for data and digitalization in general, and then beyond HIV, TB, and malaria we are seeing some new interest in some other programs like in mental health and non communicable diseases in enhanced surveillance and one health. We have noticed some gaps that are common to the countries. First of all is the country capacity building, nothing, not just to build the capacity, but also to help sustain them in the country so this is an appeal to the donors community to make sure that we are working together to sustain the country. Metadata quality is also a challenge because what the kind of data you have about in your system depends on the quality of your metadata, and we have been conducted a couple of metadata review and clean up so that we can improve the data quality. The server management and data security was also a challenge. We have started DHS to aggregate data, and nobody was concerned about security. Now we are moving towards more and more individual data. Then we have to secure individual data we have to make sure that privacy is guaranteed so this is a whole work we need to do, and we're also advocating for more support on them. And also digital strategy document that were available out there, a lot of countries have them, but people are not using it as a reference to fund the implementation to make sure that we are aligning our implementations and so forth so we need some more alignment with strategy, some more coordination so that we ensure that we are not kind of breaking the system into pieces, but we are constructing it in a robot way so I will turn it now to you want to continue. All right, thank you Kofi. So the next stage we're going to look at is across the hubs. These are the things that we noticed that we generally have in common. So as we were doing these DHS to maturity profiles, there were some priorities that the ministries of health kept on reaching back to us and giving us feedback on. And so as we've listed there are the priorities that we got across the hubs that in common. So the first one being a need for in-country capacity building at the ministry level and across different subject matters but really going down and to the district level to really make sure that all the teams are very well trained in DHS to use. The other priority that we got was a need for DHS to version upgrades just really to be able to take advantage of the latest features and also to take advantage of the support that we get from UIO. The other one was a need for metadata cleanup. We found that there are very many cases where the metadata was very disorganized and as such the results that we are getting were not really aligned to what was being put. We say that very often. We are very flattered by all of this. Okay. It's good to know it's popular. Stop on the door so that you can. I think I can continue. There's also been a huge appetite for the for the standardized WHO packages for HIV malaria and TB and as Kofi mentioned that as we conducted this exercise, the rest of the programs kept on asking us what about us, what about us. So I think one of the major results of this maturity exercise is getting all the different health programs to be more interested in DHS to and what we can do for them. Another thing that also came up was a need for integration with different systems and also and and interoperability again maybe with you know stock management systems with the financial systems and things like that. That was a very important issue that came up and also for the area of community health information systems, different countries use different community health information systems and that was again something that came up. Another very important thing that I would like to draw attention to is the issue that of guidance on security and data privacy. The his groups play a role in this in the in this case the his groups play an advisory role to the government sometimes saying that these are the best practices in terms of security and privacy and what what what you know policies guidelines so please can you put in place to make sure that the Ministry of Health is in line with what the national policy is so that that I think has been a new and emerging area that is very important that we must not ignore. Yes, and then finally, in all of our regions we are not traditional English speakers. So many of us speak French, Portuguese. In Ethiopia we have, you know, completely American, yeah, I hope I pronounced that well, and you know different calendars and so there is a need to really adopt a lot of our training material to suit the lot the local context. And yeah, so these are the requests that we mainly came across as we're doing this maturity profiling. All right, so looking forward what are we going to do all together in the next year. We are going to continue to do the DHS to maturity profiles for the remaining countries in the regions. Again, some countries have felt left out because we started with other countries and so we need to get a clearer picture of what is going on in the regions in order to have more targeted interventions. And then the second thing is that we use these maturity profiles to bring all our partners together on the same table and to have discussions and to have an integrated approach. So for example, before, I think it's unprecedented that we've never had an opportunity to talk to TB program, the partners in TB, in malaria, in HIV at once, and discuss what are the issues that help us to have better data and better quality data, better data usage and things like that. So we are using this maturity profile that his groups are using this maturity profile to open up these discussion points. And then the last part is, we need to have a very more formal and a more more established procedure for how to share these profiles in one place. It's been different for different countries. Some countries, you know, just simply email and then it will be viewed for other countries we've had, you know, discussion like a formal sort of setting where we went through profile together and then also discuss the results afterwards. So I think for us as, as his, what we need to do is to just, you know, regulate that and have it done across the, across the regions. So thank you. I'm going to hand over to my colleagues. So thanks, John. So you're the next two slides are looking at the key achievements across all the hubs and how do we move forward from here, bringing more improvements. So I think the last couple of years we organized capacity building workshops across the his groups, where all the Southern East Africa hub the WCAV and Asia have did a lot of trainings within their groups on DHS to maturity profiles on WHS packages carrying automated assessments and also some sessions on DHS to have development to build internal capacities of the his groups which are part of the hubs. His Asia have organized the first ever DHS to regional conference where we covered a lot of topics and introduced a bunch of packages for HIV to malaria surveillance and we got a lot of country representatives who presented their country implementations on different national programs and it was a good experience for sharing experiences across the countries in the region. Each of the hubs had their annual standing committee meetings at the end of the year, which was kind of a unique opportunity for all his groups to sit at one place and discuss their achievements their challenges and the strategies for the coming years. And then we also did a regional level one level two academies, both for his groups and external participants on different topics. So how do we move forward. So last week we had the opportunity to sit together and we the hubs decided to create a technical working group who would be supporting the new his groups which are coming up in the region. Just to recap that when the hubs were being created. Global fund helped us in doing LFS assessment where these the leads of the his hubs, they were assessed on their governance and many accounting and financial practices and that gave us a lot of insights into how to improve the organization's capacity to strengthen these areas. So now we want to impart those learnings to the new members that use his groups are joining so this technical working group will work on creating specific guidance material and organize webinars for these his groups which are up and coming so that they can strengthen their project management capacities, technical capacity and documentation managing the organizations doing self assessments. So the hubs have also developed internal his self assessment tool, which basically analyzes the capacity of the his his group functions for project management HR accounts finance so that they know that what are their weak areas which need to strengthen and then the his groups can come together the hub leads can strengthen those areas by giving up guidance. We're also looking at how these his groups which are up and coming who can establish and strengthen their collaboration with the university networks to give them more credibility and more work opportunities also kind of that brings up more capacity building experiences as well. We're looking at putting into place some regional resources for specific domains health servers surveillance education where the hub resources can work with multiple his groups and the resource can be shared across the groups working in the region. And we are also looking towards leveraging the his sub model which was set up with the support of global fund but then you want to reach out to other partners and follow the same practice that we did in the global front project so we have some examples when we discuss the Asia hub how they've used the same model with the UNFPA in the Asia region. So I'll hand it over to coffee now to just give a quick review of the activities by each hub in the last couple of years. So getting back to what each has been able to accomplish over these years. So in just a quick presentation of his Western Central Africa. It's also in total and currently coordinated as a certain committee chair by Adolf Kamoguga is the second. I can say coordinator of this committee we love transparency and peaceful transfer of power in our help. So by the end of this year another one is going to take over and then conduct for one year. So the members are Nigeria Mozambique Mozambique is the is Mozambique the one that is supporting Portuguese speaking countries within Western Central Africa including South Oman, Prinsipé, Guinea-Bissau and Cabo Verde. But as Ula said just some more are upcoming like his Ghana, his Mali, his DRC so we're welcoming some new members in the upcoming years. We cover now 28 countries. As in the least there you will have this like this. Then Sorry. Sorry for the one that online just a minute. We got hacked by something. I don't know what. There you go. Okay, we're back. Thank you. So we've conducted now the Matrita assessment in 19 countries you can see them all in the screen. And if you want to know more about those results you can reach out to us and then we'll direct to the country because the country can share this document with you. And we can have a deep understanding of what is going on in this country in terms of DHS to and we have a couple of recommendations as well and budgeted activity, a high level budget that you can see, and that can use for your planning, and we're happy to give you some more information about dates. So within the hub we have been able to conduct 15 days now, including trackers in Benin, Burkina Faso, TB DRS is one new one that was conducted by his Rwanda in Burundi is a drug resistant survey. We have been able to utilize in DHS to Benin campaigns also interoperability work and the DHS to assessment. And by the way we have been able to conduct in Cameroon, DRC in Gabon, whole DHS comprehensive assessment and design a three years plan for this country, you can even have it, if you want to. We have some more upcoming trainings and TAs, as you said, and Joanne was saying that we have some translations work as well that has been done. So I'll turn to Joanne, so that you can continue with his C. All right, so back to us. So our, our hub lead is his Uganda, and our current steering committee chair is from his Mozambique, Dr. Emilio. Yes, yes, the Portuguese interpreter from this morning. And we have the most his groups in the region nine. And I think we cover the most areas also 29, 29 countries and speaking three languages so you can understand the degree of complexity, especially considering that the geographical size about countries like Ethiopia, like Mozambique, like Madagascar, like Angola. Somalia, these are really big countries and even, I'm sorry, Sudan as well. These are really big countries and South Africa also. These are really big countries and the needs there are very complex and we can discuss in more detail after this. So, for us in the past year we also completed maturity profiles in the following countries and as you can see where they are both these in Portuguese, there's in English, and in, and in French as well. Another focus that we had this past year was supporting the DHS to academies. This, these were done in Tanzania in Uganda and in Rwanda to academies in Rwanda. And the thing to note was that there was an unprecedented attendance both in terms of numbers and also in terms of regional representation were able to bring stuff from the his groups in the region to attend these academies. And also we had people from very many different backgrounds, we had people from ministries we had people from different partner organizations. And this kind of, you know, cross this kind of associations bring about opportunities for people to discuss how DHS to is used in very many different scenarios, and I think it really enriches the experience for for their participants. We had also training for the DHS to experts in priority areas. So that is really the his stuff in Malawi in Uganda and in Rwanda. Again, this is the first time this is being done in the region and we are really proud about that. We completed technical assistance in Komoros Sudan and Eritrea. These are interesting cases because they are complex countries. And they were really around DHS to upgrade and supporting for developing HMI tools, doing training and doing several upgrades. And what we are doing is we are completed planning for the next stage of technical assistance. So right now we are in the process of discussing directly with all the his groups in the region. For, you know, the technical assistance that will be done and you are budgeting it and just trying to make sure we set up and get it done as soon as possible. So in the next year, we want to complete this maturity profiles in the following countries in Kenya, Tanzania, Zanzibar, Madagascar, Botswana, Zambia, Eswatini, Seychelles and reunion. We want to continue to do to support the DHS to academies both for the facilitators and for the attendees. And again, we want to stay with that regional focus and making sure that we have as many people from the region attending. We also want to focus on growing the his core. And what do I mean by that. We want to make sure that we have as many young people coming through learning about DHS to, and so that we have, you know, a huge pipeline of younger people who are interested in in developing a career in, you know, implementing DHS to another thing that Rob mentioned earlier on is the need for internal his group capacity. Now, how are we intending to do this really through peer support. Some of the his groups have been in excess for more than 10 years. Some of them are bigger than others, some of them have, you know, more domain knowledge. And so we want to focus on, you know, really peer support and sharing knowledge across both the his groups and also across the region. In the next year also we want to complete TA in those countries very many it's a very long list but I think the his groups are up to the task. And the TA is really around those areas that I had mentioned before starting with a metadata cleanup of DHS to upgrade server configuration or setup and maintenance. I think that keeps coming up over and over again is the issue of the core team capacity building and there is a very, very. A very deep need for that. And also the issue of governance, supporting the ministries through advising on policies, developing guidelines and SOPs, and not stopping on developing them but making sure that they are cascaded throughout the ministry down to the lowest level so that the so that the entire the entire ministry and the entire country understands why doing certain things is important. And also I think Surab mentioned the issue of interoperability between different systems. Another thing that maybe someone has a people haven't mentioned yet is the issue of data use. We don't just, you know, generate data just for for entertainment, it's supposed to be ultimately used. And I think that all of us have this vision of data being used by different people at different levels. And so it looks different in different countries, some people. And for some countries we got requests to have things like public dashboards, public dashboards and the content of those public dashboards we are still yet to discuss but then also the issue of push analysis so that management can be able to see at maybe a weekly, daily or, you know, monthly basis, you know, certain key indicators that will help them make those decisions. So data moves away from being something that is, is, you know, held only by the HMIS unit, but is owned by everyone in the country throughout the nation and I think that's a really important thing. Another thing that we have to also be mindful of is the issue of the fact that we need to do emergency support sometimes in our countries. And so we need to keep, first of all, people and resources available so that when certain political instabilities happen, that we're able to respond to the needs of the countries as his groups. Yeah, and then there was the last thing that I think it's important is important that what happens after the TA is completed, because we have already done a maturity assessment slash profile. We've already identified issues. We say we are doing the one to T is, but we have created an appetite and this appetite needs to be fed. So, while right now we are not able to support all the technical assistance requests that have come up. I think the challenge then goes back to all our partners all together that how can we support the other issues that the countries have identified and to make sure that this is sustained and consistent support through the Yes. So, this is it for me. Thank you very much. Back to Surabh for this reason. Thank you. So quick review of the activities that we did and the structure so his friend is leading the his Asia hub we have members from Bangladesh Indonesia Pakistan Sri Lanka Vietnam. And India and the list of countries in the region that we're supporting and that keeps evolving over time. Yeah, so we did the DHS to majority assessments in six countries. A couple of them were complex countries to do their current political scenario, but we were able to do. We were able to engage the ministry and the HMS units there to help us get their assessment and the TA needs identified so man Mara Afghanistan, with the two complex countries and then this is followed by Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Pakistan and Nepal where we had the support from the his team to do the assessment and share the outcomes with the his group. We organized to regional track the use academies along with webinars, which focused on COVID-19 HIV TB use cases implementations in the region in 2022. We did the conference and we are planning the annual conference again in November 2023 and also regional Android Academy in December 2023. We had his group expert internal training in Vietnam in year 2022 where we had a health and technical implementers from all the his groups in the region participate and learn more on DHS to have development and the latest updates in the DHS to software. So quick recap of the TA items that we're doing at present so we see that in Asia there is a mix of TA requests where we have the version upgrades and method assessments which kind of top the list, but then the countries which have kind of more stable aggregate implementation they have more needs towards the tracker. So Myanmar Afghanistan we focused on the version upgrades and building capacities. We see that there are some countries where the reporting rates have typically gone down because of political unrest. So there are some specific tiers to make the data completeness and reporting back to the acceptable levels like focusing on Myanmar. In Pakistan we are looking at doing the WHO dashboards implementation for all the three HIV TB and malaria programs and strengthen the existing TB tracker implementation. Sri Lanka is more focused on the method assessments and cleanup since their long term implementation so there is a larger need to clean up the metadata and make it aligned to the best practices. So while we are working along with the team, the health center to do the version upgrades because they have a specific become somewhat calendar specific to their regional country needs, and then we're also doing a method assessment and cleanup exercise for them. Bangladesh we are strengthening the existing malaria aggregation tracker implementations. So just an example of how his patient was able to use the same model, working with another partners in the region so we collaborated with the UNFPA Asia regional office to strengthen the RMNCH program in the region in the six countries which they selected. So, similar to our DHIS to maturity profile, we built a custom assessment tool focusing on the SRM and CH needs. And those assessments were carried out in six countries in the region, Lao, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, East Timor and Indonesia. And with Papua New Guinea which is not a DHIS to user, which has to country but instead we went ahead and did the assessment of their existing HIS system. So we submitted these reports to UNFPA and now they're working on dissemination of these reports to the ministries and the RMNCH departments in these countries. This year we plan to conduct three webinars in the region focusing on data use for RMNCH and data analytics functionalities in DHIS to along with data quality, how you can enhance data quality and use data quality features in DHIS to with respect to the RMNCH data. So those webinars are scheduled in the third quarter. And then we're having an in-person training in Bangkok where the Asia regional office is inviting members from the ministries of health in the above countries, working in the RMNCH program along with the UNFPA team towards the end of 2023. So that brings us to the last slide. Thank you everyone for your patience listening. Any question, comments? The maturity assessment for global fund. So how this can be progressed because earlier we requested but they said that there is some processes ongoing because in Bangladesh the progress is a bit slow because of the country, the global health program, sorry, no cost extension and there is some reprogramming issues. So that's why they don't give us time for now this is a perfect time to approach. So the maturity assessment if we want to proceed in Bangladesh, then we need a guideline how to we proceed the next year. Yes, so I think for Bangladesh. In Bangladesh we were trying towards having an assessment in place but then because of operational issues we couldn't do it but still I think in the initial site we saw that the priority was to have assessments in the NTA but then we kept 15% scope for covering countries who had priority needs so without assessment they came into the picture. So I think Bangladesh is there but then we're trying to see how we can do this assessment for Bangladesh now I think we had a discussion with the CRO, the Bangladesh CRO team also. So they are also interested in getting the assessments done in the CRO countries. So definitely the countries we which could not cover under global fund we're trying to put those countries in the region with to be done in coordination with CRO. So we're trying to put those countries or to Bangladesh, Timor and the remaining countries to get the assessments done. If there is no assessment done required for Bangladesh then we can proceed in the remaining period. Because we are actually waiting for the assessment can be done and then decide which area we should prioritize. Yes, I think we've already taken your malaria requirements. I think other programs we need an internal discussion to see what how the funds can be arranged and also we cannot get in touch after the session. I can tell you later on. Any other comment or question regarding the hub. Yeah, we have the big over there. Mine is just a comment and you know, in addition to what John has been presenting for safer. I think one of the biggest achievements has been the capacity around the capacity building for our his groups. This is something that we use to enjoy and the old days of UI or funding us to go for academies and in the different regions but I think for this past period that we have really implemented this. We have had a lot of his group staff being trained as participants in academies and also, also the collaboration that has created in the his group for delivering the academies has also been quite great, because we've also been able to at least get some funding to have facilitators move from one country to another country. The biggest challenge that we still face is the implementation funding. I think everybody knows about this I know Michelle has also not about it, but I think it has been one of the biggest challenge like you know you have the tier, but you do not have the implementation so I can't go to the ministry and you know train server. You can train them into a server or do something with them in their offices, they just want to be out in the field and and be able to do that so I think, like, particularly for Uganda they were asking, could there be a way that here can be, you know, stepped up a little bit to cater for some of those you know, smaller costs, not today to the big scale because otherwise you are going to be sitting there with TA and no work is done and then they will move over to the rest. Thank you very much. Hello. Any other comments. Okay. Thank you very much. Number one, I am from the implementer side so I feel this is very impressive. But I think for the, was it the one Joe and presented, it looks really big. And I don't know if it can be dissected, if it were possible I think yes the support is very important. But again, I wanted to know after, after the assessment is done, how is the information disseminated to the countries tend to get this information and how can it be utilized further. If I am in Uganda would I know which ones are my areas to be prioritized for support and others. Thank you. Thanks. As I was saying, the data that has been generated over this maturity assessment is a property of the countries. We value that. And then we discuss with the countries to see how best we can disseminate this data and they are the one that tells us, okay, do it like this way or that way. And usually when partners come to us asking, what's about this country, then we direct them back to the country so then the country can share the data. But as John was saying, we're planning to have a kind of comprehensive way of disseminating this. This is the first round of maturity assessment. So we are currently under the review of the tool of the framework, and then we ambition to conduct another round. So, as part of this round, then we may have a discussion with countries and can ensure a broader dissemination for certain countries have been able to organize kind of disseminating meeting with stakeholders. This is being planned with Ghana. It has not been happening yet, but this is the kind of model that we are trying to use. I don't know if my colleagues have any other comments regarding this. So I would just like to add that for, for the southern and East Africa region we are, I mentioned that we are privileged to have the most his groups. So while we are 29 countries, we have the most his groups also which are nine. And again, also we have French speaking, we have Portuguese speaking. So that means that at least the countries that they support have more, more attention paid to them. So, please, I suppose here from his Uganda, you know, can pay a lot of attention to all the needs of Uganda, and also, again, ever since we have been doing this. We've had opportunities to support each other. I suppose I just mentioned for the last academy that for example we had in Uganda. We had facilitators from Ethiopia. We had facilitators from Rwanda from Uganda, I'm trying to remember which other country. at least we had from five different countries facilitating in the academy. So I think that is something that we are really proud of and we want to just continue to do. Thank you. We have some two or three minutes more. I didn't have time to formulate my question, but one thing I was wondering about, and I've maybe missed this because I'm from the education team. So I'm getting a bit more used to the hub work. One of our biggest donors in education is a global partnership for education and specifically a Kicks fund. And the way that they organize themselves is into Kicks 19 and Kicks 21. And Kicks 19 in Africa is all the English speaking African countries and then Kicks 21 is Francophone. So I'm just wondering how that works when you have maybe projects that go across the different hubs. Are there many examples of that? Or is this a very isolated like per hub set of activities or is there quite a lot of unique work that also goes across because there's so much that can be learned, of course, by working across. So like I said, didn't have enough time to formulate the question and maybe I missed something because it came late, but was that too complicated because we're still figuring out. Yeah. So the way in which we operate, we operate, it's not a strict law. It's not that you cannot cross this boundary or you will get into trouble if you cross this boundary. Coffee and I messaged each other all the time. So Rob and I messaged each other all the time. You know, we share, for example, we did training in Uganda. We shared the details with his India. They shared details about things like documentation and things like that. So over the past two years, we have had very many opportunities to collaborate. So these are kind of loose guidelines that keep us together, but they are not strict laws. And then there are some his groups that are across the different hubs. For example, his Pranda and his Mozambique that is mainly due to the language and the fact that there are very many French-speaking countries in West Africa that they need extra support for and also the Portuguese-speaking countries in West Africa that his Mozambique that's on the side of Africa has to go across, but we seamlessly work together and cooperate on those issues. Thank you. Thanks, John. We have a question online. Somebody was asking if each country can have his own, his group. But maybe I can direct that one to Ula or to our big augers here, Prosper, Edem. So the question was online. Can every country has its own, his group? I don't know who want to chip in a bit or they have more content than me. Ula? I made a short bounce. Thank you so much. Raising of his group is something very simple. We just go and then you create it. That's as simple as it is. But now the challenge is sustaining it, is growing it. So if you have a purpose and you have room for growth, for being useful to the country and to the his community, then you are more than welcome. But now again is a question of sustaining his group over time. But that same topic, how then does one become recognized as his group? Take for example, I'm representing the Caribbean and we have created an organization to support these digital public goods such as DHS to and others. And one of my objectives here is to find out how we become recognized as an official history for the Caribbean. So how does one go about achieving that? Good question. Thank you for bringing it up. I think we can talk more maybe in a coffee break, but since we need to break in one minute, I guess. But I think maybe the first point is that I don't think you need to be his group in order to be DHS implementer or to work from the DHS project or to work with the country, right? I think as I said in the introduction, that his groups are part of a network that we are coordinating from university to Oslo that are kind of, it's not like a global organization, but it's a network of entities that share values that work together following the same principles. For example, there are a lot of other organizations in the DHS community that have more kind of commercial interests or don't necessarily support open source software in the same way. And I think that's totally fine. I think there's space for everyone in the DHS community, but it doesn't mean that everyone has to be in the ISP network, right? So I think that's maybe important distinction. But I think if you agree to the principles and you still want to be part of the ISP network, I think then it's a matter of working together, established at trusts, and then as we get to know each other and we see that you follow these principles and you're willing to sign them or you, then of course then it's a process then we can list you as part of the ISP network on the website so that all the people can see it and then we will invite you to join the different meetings with the ISP groups, et cetera. But it's more than just building a business around the DHS, it's also being part of that research network, capacity building network, be willing to share innovations, apps, et cetera. So I think back to that first point I made, I think there's a lot of different partners here, important partners to the University of Oslo as well that are here at the conference. Not all of them are part of the ISP network. And I think for us they're equally important partners but different types of partners that maybe serve a different purpose in terms of supporting NGOs and ministries with the DHS too. But if you have a specific wish to become it and then we can discuss and then let's see how we can partner. Thank you. I think it's three past and it's coffee time. And I think we had a very short coffee break in the morning. So let's do a full one now. Thank you everyone for your time.